Repent of Words
& Obey Logos!
Stop Speaking -
Find Self-Control - Save Yourself by Shutting your Mouth!
A Sharp Weapon and
a Fierce Battle Plan for Condemning “the Fool And His Words” far from Your
Heart!
Josiahs Scott,
Josiahs@trueconnection.org,
www.TrueConnection.org
11/25/05* (+Word:
Created); 11/4/07 (generally enhanced?); [~2008-2010: Embrace Dialogue, Fighting Cheap Shots
(as seen below)]; 3/10/10 (Word:
Modified)-4/17/10**; 4/23/10 (versions A-C); 4/29/10; 5/3-5/4/10;
6/15-6/19/10; 8/27/10; 10/29/10-11/2/10; 12/2/10; 12/8/10; 1/24/11-1/25/11;
2/18/11; 8/3/11; 10/12/11; 10/26/12;
4/27/13-4/28/13; other dates; 2/9/17 (added: Obey Logos,
Embrace Dialogue, Fighting
Cheap Shots, etc.)
[* original title: the Fool And His Words (written and presented (as a sobering
charge/confrontation) to brother in law: Jacob Fletcher)]
[** ~2010: the Fool And His Words,
Retitled: Repent of Words & initially
presented to disciples (& Mr Jim
Barger II - during his visit)]
>> Additions/ TODO!
Repent of Written Words
Ephesians Project
Cursing
Obey Logos
PrioritizingCommunication
·
CommunicationQuirks
C:\Files\Bookshelf\ROW-Resources
Repent of Interrupting
Cooperative Communication
>> Update:
ROW | AbTr | SOM | Dis | LLO |
This is a companion Bible study with the Bible
studies entitled, “Absolute Truth” and “Embrace Dialogue”
(unfinished).
Contents
Purpose. 2
Introduction. 2
It is time to Repent of the Religion that Indulges. 2
Fear God -- Instead of Continuing to Talk. 2
Self-Control 3
The Sin of The Lips. 3
Don't Boast Yourself 3
Warnings Against Conversation Competition. 3
Repent of
Interrupting. 3
You Are Commanded Not to speak until You First
Actually Listen. 3
Confirmed in Sirach. 4
Reaffirmed By the Qumran Community Rule. 4
Even Lost People Knew This. 4
Interrupting is Called “Disorder”. 4
The Summarized Story of Nabal and David. 5
Filibustering is Sin Too. 6
Repent of Being Self-Appointed Kings. 7
A Summary Against Interrupting. 7
Terms for Cooperative
Communication. 7
A Mouth That Will Not Receive Ministry. 8
Exclusivity of Words. 8
Only Divine Words. 8
Don’t Be A Presumptuous “Prophet”. 9
Jesus Only Does and Says what He Sees from The Father 9
Speaking Independently is Like Fornication. 10
General
Passage from James. 10
James Chapter One. 10
James Chapter Three. 10
The “Stop
Speaking” Scriptures! 10
Idle Words. 10
Quick to Hear, Slow to Speak. 10
Bridle Tongue. 10
Be Bridled When Around the Wicked. 11
Keep Tongue from Speaking Evil 11
The Multitude of Words Means Sin. 11
Guard Mouth, Guard Soul 11
Meditate Instead of Rashly Talking. 11
Silence Can Make a Fool Look Wise. 11
Keep Your Soul from Trouble. 11
Don’t Be Quick to Speak; Don’t be Recognized as a Fool 11
Holiness Heals you from the Foolishness we are Plagued
with. 11
Other Thoughts. 12
How do We
Hold our Tongue?. 12
Pray. 12
Repent of Written Words. 12
V: Are you Going to
be Judged for Every Written Word, Like Every Spoken Word?. 12
Good Words. 12
Love Right Words. 12
Good Testimonies from God! 13
Both Good and Bad Word Dynamics. 13
Summaries
Conclusions. 13
The Test of a True Prophet 13
Laughing Laughter 14
Obey Logos! 14
Exaggerations are not
Logical 14
Listen! 14
Embrace Dialogue. 15
They Reasoned. 15
Unreasonable: Without Word, Negating Logos. 15
Reason is Not Always Available. 15
Fighting
Cheap Shots. 16
Prolonged Waiting, Opens Doors and Defeats Cheap Shots. 16
Jesus’ Silence! – A – Consider all of the Times Jesus
Had To Be Silent in His life. 16
Jesus’ Silence! – B – Jesus’ Example of how to Deal
with Dishonest Questions. 16
Wise
Vocabulary. 17
But on the Contrary…... 17
Satan’s Questions of Interrogation. 17
Prioritizing
Communication. 17
Agree & Make God Happy. 17
Happy Communication Responsibility. 17
Be Optimistic in Communication. 17
Keep Asking for Communication. 18
Al: Keep
Communicating. 18
Proof for Talking
Responsibility to Talk. 19
Communication Quirks. 19
Intro: Welcome Truth,
Instead of Making Critical Assumptions. 19
Quirky Definitions. 19
Assuming
Non-Inspiration -- General Reminders. 20
Moses’ Uncircumcised
In Lips. 20
Jos_22: -- Alternate
Alter 21
Sirach 3 – When Dad’s
Mind Fails. 21
Sirach 19 – Slipping
in Tongue, but Not Heart/Soul/Intent 21
Peter Didn't Know
What He Was Saying. 21
Philip’s Pending
Orthodoxy. 21
Despising &
re-Interpreting Are Forbidden. 22
Condemning the
Innocent 22
Sympathy, Not
Criticism! 23
Hypocrisy Toward
Quirks -- Avoid/Beware. 23
Quirky Determinations. 23
Quirky Conclusions of
Inspiration. 23
The End Is What
Counts. 24
Managing Misunderstanding. 24
Communication Changes. 24
Speech Recognition. 24
No Competition: No
Complex-ification. 24
Be Slow to Speak &
Quick to Hear 24
Warning 2:
Misunderstandings. 24
Complicated
Challenges. 25
Fear of Communicating. 26
Bad Postures Push You
Away From Authority. 26
Prioritizing Communication. 26
Prioritizing Communication. 27
Worship Logic, or
Die! 30
Leviticus 8 – Don’t
Leave the Door of The Tabernacle, Lest You Die. 32
We Should Fear; Many Have Been Destroyed by Their
own Words!
This target on
Words is one of the more important overall exhortations that applies to so many
people. I've seen so many, or should I say, way too many "well-meaning" people destroyed because
they continually lived in sin in this area.
·
It does not matter if you seem sincere, it matters if
you have a bridled tongue.
·
It does not matter if you think that you are loving
Jesus, it matters if you are actually obeying Him and not multiplying words.
·
It does not matter if you think that you are true,
hard-core, zealous, impressive, prophetic, faithful or any other virtuous
quality, if you like talking, even
if you tag a "biblical" subject line to it trying to honor God, your
faith is still vain and abominable in God's sight!
More than
people who seem to be talking about "good things" and "biblical
truths," God demands that we actually be people who obey Him in this area
of our tongue, and repent of the demonic lack of self-control, and the filthy,
prideful self-exaltation of talking, and liking to talk.
The Bible warns us against having a religion that
has impressive words, but does not stop indulgence:
Col_2:23 CAB These things indeed
[μὲν] have a reputation
[λόγον: word of] of wisdom in self-imposed religionG1479, false humilityG5012, and severity on the
body, but are
not of any value against the indulgence of the
flesh.
Greek:
ἐν
ἐθελοθρησκίᾳG1479
καὶ
ταπεινοφροσύνῃG5012
καὶ ἀφειδίᾳG857
σώματος
Fear God
-- Instead of Continuing
to Talk
A Basic Basis for first actually being a real
Disciple who will make it to Heaven
Should We Go on Talking? – Let us Instead Fear God!
See:
Love-Lowliness.htm#FearGod
&
Love-Lowliness.htm#Confidence
Lack of self-control is a sin. If you want to talk,
beware and be careful.
We need to be more restrictive than what comes naturally
by default.
Pro_12:13 CAB For the sin of his lips a
sinner falls into snare, but a righteous man escapes from them...
Pro_12:13 MKJV The wicked is snared by the
transgression of his
lips, but the just shall come out of trouble.
[see all of Pro_12:12-23 - as quoted later]
Pro_27:1-2 CAB
Boast not of
tomorrow, for you do not know what the next day shall bring forth. 2 Let your neighbor, and not your own mouth, praise you; a
stranger, and not your own lips.
Pro_27:1-2 KJV Boast not thyself of to morrow; for
thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.
2 Let another man praise thee, and not
thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.
Don't Be Rash
Pro_25:28 CAB As a city whose
walls are broken down, and which is unfortified, so is a man who does anything
without counsel.
KJV
is very Different:
Pro_25:28 KJV He that hath no rule over his
own spirit is
like
a city that
is
broken down, and
without walls.
Remember: Jesus before the woman
taken in adultery
Warnings
Against Conversation Competition
Other dates; 5/31/17
Remember:
Be slow to speak quick to listen (Jam_1:19/ Sir_5:11)
>> See: additions (below)!!!
A
thoughtful friend said to me once, “Have you ever noticed how when you have a
conversation you will find yourself always changing the subject back to
yourself?” – Be warned whenever you cannot let another person talk about
themselves and what they relate to without bringing yourself back into the
focus of the conversation. Beware if you find yourself switching the subject
back to: Yourself, your experience, what you can relate to, and what you can
talk about or what you have to say. Non-applicable, non-matching, incongruent,
non-harmonious subject-changing control tactics are fleshly and self-serving.
If you repeatedly take and retake control of the conversation then it is not
Jesus you love, nor even the well being of the person in front of you, but the
lustful indulgence of your own personal gratification (see Ecc_6:7;
Php_3:18-19).
We usually think it is a good conversation
when we get to talk about what we want to talk about, and this is often done
with little consideration as to whether it was as fulfilling to the other
person. This is a staggering problem of profound selfishness and lack of
integrity for loving other people. If we love talking it is certain that we do
not truly love people or God, and why would we think that our soul should be
saved from a just wrath if it were found in this condition?
1Jn_4:20 CAB If anyone claims, "I love God," and
hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he
has seen, how is it possible for him to love God whom he has not seen?
>> add: we do not preach
ourselves... !!!
>> Add: Important Point/summary for Conversation
Competition
don't talk about what you can talk about, but ask a lot about
what you need
5/31/17
>>Scrip:
the Pharisee stood and prayed about
himself...
weather praying or talking to people, it
seems like Hypocrites always like to talk about themselves.
Repent
of Interrupting
The Bible
plainly warns us against interrupting people, and directly commands us not to
do it. If we still do interrupt and disobey the Bible, then we need to repent
of foolishness and folly to be Christians that actually obey the Bible and go
after honor and truth.
>> address: “conversation
competition”
>> ex. youngest waited in Job &
others to finish
9/1/17; 9/3/17; 1/10/18
>>Scrip:
Satan cut in on us
>>> TSK
Steal kill destroy
This is the nature of those who interrupt the
truth. They are just like Satan.
Act_24:10 CAB But Paul
answered, the governor had nodded for him to speak: "Knowing that you have
been a judge of this nation for many years, the more cheerfully I defend the
things concerning myself,
Act_24:10 ᾿Απεκρίθη
δὲ ὁ Παῦλος,
νεύσαντος αὐτῷ
τοῦ ἡγεμόνος
λέγειν· ἐκ
πολλῶν ἐτῶν
ὄντα σε
κριτὴν τῷ ἔθνει
τούτῳ ἐπιστάμενος
εὐθυμότερον
τὰ περὶ ἐμαυτοῦ
ἀπολογοῦμαι,
Act_24:10
απεκριθη Aτε
TSBδε ο
παυλος
νευσαντος αυτω
του ηγεμονος
λεγειν εκ
πολλων ετων
οντα σε κριτην
τω εθνει τουτω
επισταμενος Aευθυμως TSBευθυμοτερον
τα περι
εμαυτου
απολογουμαι
numbers 32
>> interrupting / dialog
Interrupting
Satan cut in on us
dpl
npl
prli
Interrupting
is an impatience that presumes that you do not need to fully listen to the
“word” being spoken to you before you give an answer:
Pro_18:13 Jos.Trans
Any [one] who answers a
word [λόγον (logon)] before he hears [ἀκοῦσαι
(hakousai)], it is
thoughtlessness [ἀφροσύνη – senselessness/ fig. recklessness] and reproach to him.
[Technical Source
Text Note: I translated this from the Greek LXX, because
that is what the NT quotes when quoting Proverbs;
(for more see Bibliography under “Finding the Old Testament”).]
Considerations
·
In saying “a
word [λόγον
(logon)]” it is clear that this is generic for whatever a
person says, since it is comparable to many examples throughout the Bible such
as the saying, “…but the word which
they heard did not profit those, not having been mixed with faith in those
having heard it.” (Heb_4:2 CAB); (also, for example,
Pro_25:11; Pro_15:23 (MT); Isa_50:4)
·
“answer[ing]
a word [λόγον
(logon)]” means responding with words to what someone has
said.
·
“before he
hears” essentially communicates that the “word” had begun being presented, but
the listener responded before this “word” was actually finished
This is
reiterated by Joshua (Jesus) the son of Sirach (some time before 175 B.C.) [Ἰησοῦς
υἱὸς Σιραχ
Ελεαζαρ] in very specific terms:
Sir_11:6-8 KJVA Many mighty men have been greatly disgraced;
and the honourable delivered into other men's hands. 7 Blame
not before thou hast examined the truth: understand first, and then
rebuke. 8 Answer not before thou hast heard the cause: neither interrupt men in the midst of their talk.
Reaffirmed
By the Qumran Community Rule
Again,
for what it is worth, this is repeated in the Qumran Community Rule:
“No man shall
interrupt a
companion before
his speech has
ended, nor speak
before a man of
higher rank; each
man shall speak
in his turn. And
in the Assembly
of the
Congregation no man shall
speak without
consent of the
Congregation.
Whoever has
interrupted his
companion whilst
speaking [must
do penance] ten
days.”
Note:
I still need to get the specific reference for this particular quote
·
This
principal is repeated in a briefer form at the beginning of the document
numbered 4Q266
·
This ethical
code is confirmed by the New Covenant as seen later in 1Co_14
In the
Bible, even unsaved people knew it was true that you had to hear someone
completely out before “answering” them:
Joh_7:50-51 CAB Nicodemus…
said to them [Other Pharisees], 51 Does our law judge a man before it hears [ἀκούσῃ -
same word as in Pro_18:13] from him first,
and knows what he is doing?"
Note:
this theology, which is typical of ancient (honorable) Judaism, is not only generally
consistent with the Law of Moses, but it is specifically consistent with
Proverbs, and it is even more consistent with the theology of Ben Sirach (as
seen previously: “Blame not before thou hast examined the truth…” - Sir_11:7; etc.). Nicodemus is
referring to a commonly recognized virtue that even the Pharisees knew about,
which we often seem to know nothing about today in our cheap and shallow,
dishonorable culture.
Act_25:16 CAB …'It is not a custom with
Romans to deliver any man to destruction before [“πρὶν”
same word as in Pro_18:13 LXX] the one
being accused may meet his accusers face to face, and may receive an opportunity for defense* concerning the charge.'
[Hyperlink: Sir_11:6-8 KJVA
...understand first, and then rebuke.
8 Answer not before thou hast
heard the cause: neither interrupt men in the midst of their talk.]
[* “ἀπολογίας”
– lit. speak a word upon (same root word as in Pro_18:13 LXX)]
Also Compare Cases Like When
they ‘motioned with their hand’
Lost people knew how to let other people speak as
seen in the following examples:
Act_12:17; Act_13:16; Act_19:33; Act_21:40; and also Act_7:2 (Only
slightly related: Luk_1:22;
Joh_13:24)
There was an expectation (both with the lost as well as with early Christians)
that the speaker had an exclusive right to speak in cases as when they
‘motioned with their hand’; Notice that interrupting only happened in these
cases when their sin and impatience got the best of them; Every single time
interrupting happened and they violated the speakers speech like this in the
Bible it was always evil!:
Act_7:57 - Jews interrupted
Steven, and then killed him
Act_19:33-34 - Pagans
interrupted (Jewish) Alexander after temporarily pretending that they would
listen
Act_22:22 - Jews
interrupted Paul when he mentioned the salvation of the nations
We should take sober heed from these things and learn to be quiet when
someone’s time to speak is ‘at hand.’
1Co_14:9, 1Co_14:26-27, 1Co_14:29-33, 1Co_14:37-40 CAB So also you, if
you do not give a clear word by the tongue, how will it be known
what is being spoken? For you will be speaking into the air… [notice: one of
the goals here is to intentionally prioritize communication and clarity when
speaking] 1Co_14:26
What is it then, brothers? Whenever you come together, each of you has a
song, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. [i.e. everyone has
something spiritual and useful to say] Let all things be done for edification. 1Co_14:27 If anyone speaks
in an unknown tongue, let it be by two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret… 1Co_14:29 Let two or three
prophets speak, and let others discriminate.
1Co_14:30
But if something is
revealed to another who sits by, let the first be silent.
[i.e. no talking at the same time] 1Co_14:31
For you can all prophesy one
by one, [i.e. one at a
time] that all
may learn and all may be encouraged. 1Co_14:32
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion
but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, 1Co_14:34 let your women be
silent in the churches… 1Co_14:37 If anyone thinks
that he is a prophet, or is
spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I am writing to you are the
commandments of the Lord. 1Co_14:38
But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant. [Greek grammar:
Present, Active, Imperative Verb; Third Person, Singular – evidently meaning:
You are commanded to ignore them] 1Co_14:39 Therefore,
brothers, seek to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues. 1Co_14:40
Let all things be done properly and according to order.
Considerations
·
These instructions
on how to run an assembly are consistent with the “Community Rule” of the
Qumran Community (as seen previously, which was
written before the NT); The fact that the Bible correlates with the ideals of
the Qumran Community in this case is not surprising, because
this actually happens quite frequently with
the New Testament and the Dead Sea Scrolls in general (not to mention parallels
with zealous movements within Judaism as a whole)
>> link
to DSS
·
It also goes
without saying that this is consistent with Sirach and Proverbs (as seen
previously)
·
We are only
supposed to speak for other people’s best interest (i.e. “edification,” v. 1Co_14:26)
·
‘Orderly
talk’ (v. 1Co_14:40)
means that one person talks at a time (1Co_14:27, 1Co_14:29-31)
·
We see that
people are to take turns talking, not to all talk at the same time (even though
they generally all have something good to bring to the assembly, as seen in v. 1Co_14:26, 1Co_14:31)
·
Whenever it
is needed for someone else to start talking, the first person is supposed to
stop first so the other can talk without confusion (i.e. we might say: no rude
and fleshly filibustering when we are trying to get spiritual things here)
>> link
to filibustering
·
We are to
prophesy one by one practicing self control not to talk out of turn (v. 1Co_14:31-32)
·
If this is
how prophecy should be bridled, how much more should this apply to the other
worthless and natural things that we usually go about speaking for our own
gratification and self-expression? Do we act righteously when we feel more free
to express ourselves in vain talk than Paul permits real Prophets to express
the oracles of God?
·
If we do not
do as this Scripture commands us, then the Bible calls this “confusion” (v. 1Co_14:33)
·
“all things”
(v. 1Co_14:26,
1Co_14:40)
to be done by “all” people (v. 1Co_14:31)
among “all the assemblies” (v. 1Co_14:33-34)
are to “be done” (v. 1Co_14:26,
1Co_14:40)
this way, putting a premium priority on doing it “properly and according to
order” (v. 1Co_14:40,
1Co_14:26-27,
1Co_14:29-34)
·
Order is more important than legitimacy: We see that if
women are forbidden to give Divine oracles (from God) in the assembly for the
sake of propriety and order, we see certainly that God has placed a profoundly greater
weight and priority on being proper and in order than even having legitimate
Words from God spoken by women – God here shows us that it is more pleasing to
Him to have men potentially speaking false prophecies (v. 1Co_14:29), than to have things out
of order and have the shame of women speaking in assembly. (For more, please
see the Bible study entitled “Women in Assembly”)
>> link
to WiA
·
The question
is not whether or not we have something good or important to say, but the
question is if we Love God enough to reverence and obey Him in the way He has
ordered us to talk with each other
Act_21:40 CAB And…
Paul stood on the stairs and motioned with his hand to the people. And when there was a great silence, he addressed them…
Note: if we
also see that women are to be silent during teaching in general, then they
could never interrupt
The Summarized Story of Nabal
and David
This is a
summary of the story in 1Sa_25:1-42
1Sa_25:1-3 CAB …And David arose, and went down to
the Wilderness of Maon. 2 And there was a man in Maon, and his flocks
were in Carmel, and he was a very
great man; and he had three thousand sheep, and a thousand female goats. And he
happened to be shearing his flock in Carmel.
3 And the man's name was Nabal… But the man was harsh, and evil
in his doings, and the man was foolish.
[Note the three
crimes listed]
1Sa_25:4-10
- David protects Nabal’s shepherds and flocks (also see 1Sa_25:14-16), kindly blesses
him, and asks for whatever convenient help he could give
1Sa_25:9-10
CAB So the servants came and spoke these words to Nabal, according to
all these words in the name of David.
10 And Nabal sprang
up, and answered the servants of David, and said, Who is David? And
who is the son of Jesse?...
1Sa_25:10-13
- Nabal proceeds to insult David and deny giving any help, and David determines
to kill all the men of Nabal’s house hold because of this.
The
servants went to Nabal’s wife Abigail and said…
1Sa_25:17 CAB And now consider what you will do;
for mischief is determined against our lord [i.e. Nabal] and
against his house; and he is a vile character, and one cannot
speak to him.
But David
listened when Abigail Spoke to him
1Sa_25:23-25 CAB And Abigail saw David, and she
dismounted quickly from her donkey; and she fell before David on her face, and
bowed down to him, bowing to the ground,
24 even to his feet, and said, On
me, my lord, be my wrong. Let your servant speak in your ears, and hear the
words of your servant. 25 Let not my lord take to heart this pestilent
man, for according to his name, so is he — Nabal is his name, and folly is with
him! But I, your maidservant, did not see the servants of my lord whom you
sent.
Things to
Note from the Story of Nabal
·
Nabal
exploited his exalted state to insult David (verses 1Sa_25:2, 1Sa_25:36, 1Sa_25:10-13)
·
Their fear
impending “Mischief” implies that bad will happen to them on account of
something wrong that has been done against righteousness
·
This
impending evil, or “wrath,” pertains to Nabal’s “vile character” (sinful,
perverted, habitual life style)
·
One of the
primary characteristics of this “vile character” is that “one cannot
speak to him”
·
We can almost
cringe when we see a colorful description of ‘not being able to speak to him’
in the words, “And Nabal sprang up,
and answered…” (verse 1Sa_25:9-10)
·
So we see
that an important part of being “harsh…evil…and…foolish” is described in this
story as one who quickly, rashly and harshly answers people. The conclusion
about such a wicked and perverted response is that, although a person may try
to say words to someone like Nabal, when all is said and done “one cannot [truly]
speak to him”
·
Can people
truly speak to you, or are you like Nabal?
But one may hear
these things and rise up in their chair and protest and say, “but I am not like
that when I interrupt people!” – But even if we find excuses to claim that we
are not like the character of this story, even though we continue to interrupt
people, the Bible has already convicted us as wicked sinners in the verses we
already covered in the beginning of this section. But on the contrary: we must
make it of our highest aim to be people who can be talked to,
who actually hear people out before responding, unlike the un-listening, rashly
responding Nabal of folly. If nothing else, we should find from this story some
potent parallels that wise people who actually love Jesus will use to take heed
so as to not be foolish and interrupt, lest they become like Nabal in the end.
We ought not to bear false testimony of ourselves to justify our
crimes of
Other dates (~2010+); 10/25/16
Filibustering is
when you go on talking so that no one else can ever get a word in. This is
certainly a condemnable sin for many reasons covered in this Bible study,
especially because it is based on the love to talk to begin with. If we repent
of interrupting, we should also repent of loving to monolog, and rudely crowd
others out of getting a chance to comment. Filibustering is a partner with
interrupting, because both of these filthy and perverted indulgences despise
and disrespect the other person, and hold their words in contempt so that the
filibuster can have a monopoly on indulging in their own lust of talking.
As this entire study shows, you are to not
like talking to begin with, and then beyond this, we already saw that you are
actually supposed to willingly stop and let others speak, especially when God
gives them things:
1Co_14:30
But if something is
revealed to another who sits by, let the first be silent.
To further
establish this we could almost simply reference this entire Bible study, but
here are a few verses in particular:
Ecc_10:13-14 CAB The beginning of the words of his
mouth is folly, and the end of his talk mischievous madness. 14 A fool moreover multiplies words…
Ecc_5:1 WEB Guard your steps when you go to God's house;
for to draw near to listen is better than to give the sacrifice of fools, for
they don't know that they do evil.
Ecc_5:1 LB Fear God. Keep Your Vows
Keep your foot, whenever you go to the house of God; and when you are near to
hear, let your sacrifice be better than the gift of fools; for they do not know
they are doing evil.
Ecc_5:1
(4:17) Φύλαξον πόδα
σου, ἐν ᾧ ἐὰν
πορεύῃ εἰς οἶκον
τοῦ θεοῦ, καὶ ἐγγὺς
τοῦ ἀκούειν· ὑπὲρ
δόμα τῶν ἀφρόνων
θυσία σου, ὅτι οὔκ
εἰσιν εἰδότες
τοῦ ποιῆσαι
κακόν.
Ecc_5:2 WEB Don't be rash with your mouth, and don't let
your heart be hasty to utter anything before God; for God is in heaven, and you
on earth. Therefore let your words be few.
Ecc_5:2 Do not be hasty with your
mouth, and do not let your heart be swift to utter anything before God; for God
is in heaven above, and you are on earth; therefore let your words be few.
Ecc_5:2 (5:1)
μὴ σπεῦδε ἐπὶ
στόματί σου, καὶ
καρδία σου μὴ
ταχυνάτω τοῦ ἐξενέγκαι
λόγον πρὸ προσώπου
τοῦ θεοῦ· ὅτι ὁ
θεὸς ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ,
καὶ σὺ ἐπὶ τῆς
γῆς, ἐπὶ τούτῳ ἔστωσαν
οἱ λόγοι σου ὀλίγοι.
>> Sync: Pr!
& ROW
>> mouths
that must be stopped!!!!
Ecc_5:6 CAB
Don't allow your mouth to lead you into sin. Don't protest before the
messenger that this was a mistake. Why should God be angry at your voice, and
destroy the work of your hands?
Ecc_5:6 WEB Do
not allow your mouth to lead your flesh to sin; and say not in the presence of
God, It was an error; lest God be angry at your voice, and destroy the works of
your hands.
Ecc_5:6 (5:5) μὴ δῷς
τὸ στόμα σου τοῦ
ἐξαμαρτῆσαι τὴν
σάρκα σου καὶ μὴ
εἴπῃς πρὸ προσώπου
τοῦ θεοῦ ὅτι Ἄγνοιά
ἐστιν, ἵνα μὴ ὀργισθῇ
ὁ θεὸς ἐπὶ φωνῇ
σου καὶ διαφθείρῃ
τὰ ποιήματα χειρῶν
σου.
Ecc_5:7 For in the multitude of
dreams there are vanities, as well as in many words: but you must fear God.
Ecc_5:7 For in a multitude of
dreams and in many words there is vanity; rather fear God.
Ecc_5:7 (5:6) ὅτι ἐν
πλήθει ἐνυπνίων
καὶ ματαιότητες
καὶ λόγοι
πολλοί· ὅτι σὺν
τὸν θεὸν φοβοῦ.
Compare: Embrace Dialogue
Please also consider that God prizes dialog as we briefly
cover in the companion Bible study, “Embrace Dialogue.” Unreasoning perverts do
not care about dialog but are simply content to monolog without ever caring
what the victim thinks about their own wickedness. People who practice this are
clearly not Christians according to these solid Scriptures. This pervert will
talk to no end and never love truth and wisdom enough to investigate the other
person to see where they are at before foolishly proceeding with their speech.
Repent of Being Self-Appointed
Kings
So often in our
culture, we sit as self-exalted Kings with remote controls as our scepters: Not
only do we flip channels at our own rule and whim, but also we interrupt people
who are right before us as soon as our impatience and lust of fast
entertainment condemns their slow paced words. With our self-appointed majesty
and sovereignty over everyone we listen to, we think we have the right to mute
their unhurried words into being unheard.
If this is us, we
need to hear some painful sarcasm from Paul and be rebuked:
1Co_4:8-13 WEB
You are already filled. You have already become rich. You have come to
reign without us. Yes, and I wish that you did reign, that we also might reign
with you. 9 For, I think that God has displayed us, the
apostles, last of all, like men sentenced to death. For we are made a spectacle
to the world, both to angels and men.
10 We are fools for Christ's sake,
but you are wise in Christ. We are weak, but you are strong. You have honor,
but we have dishonor. 11 Even to this present hour we hunger, thirst,
are naked, are beaten, and have no certain dwelling place. 12 We
toil, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless. Being persecuted, we
endure. 13 Being defamed, we entreat [παρακαλουμεν
– i.e. fig. we softly speak to those who are defaming us].
We are made as the filth of the world… wiped off by all, even until now.
Asserting your own
primacy to interrupt another is not being “last of all,
like men sentenced to death” it is like ‘reigning as kings’ over others.
“Entreating” is a soft position, not a hard
one that interrupts. Look at the speaking posture of the Apostles: They were the
greatest among us, yet there are no rights to interrupt others in these
humiliated and self-abasing words, but we see a holy and kind rebuke to those
who have indulged and tried to reign in this life, as though the Kingdom of
Jesus would allow us to be self-exalted over other people, and be accepted in
His Kingdom at the same time. We really reign in spirit (1Co_4:8 b)
in Jesus’ Kingdom when we are humble and abased like Paul.
Motioned
with his hand
Paul steven and Peter spoke along the lines of
"motioning with their hand"
the only time that this was violated is when wicked,
sinful, murderous people lost their patience and violated their own rules and
honor and were no longer willing to hear.
Will we come clean of such wicked sin and repent of interrupting,
or will we be content to share the hearts of wicked unrepentant stubborn fools
who sinned against the righteous by interrupting them breaking their honor.
--
Notice wether it is Paul speaking to a large group
or Peter speaking to a small group at a prayer meeting, when they were ready to
speak they motioned with their hand and the others were expected to keep silent
and listen.
Hold Your Peace!
How many times did Jesus and others ‘Hold His
Peace’?
Do not blame God when you disobey the Bible. In this very context
women are commanded to be silent.
Whether it is one on one, (as with Proverbs, Sirach, or even Nabal
against David’s messengers) or it is in an assembly (as with 1Co_14,
Nicodemus and the Pharisees, Roman Law, and people who motioned with their
hand) it is a common virtue throughout the entire Bible and even Biblical
culture (as with the Qumran Community
Rule) to not interrupt. Whether it is in Steven’s martyrdom, the pagan
persecution against Alexander, or the Jewish persecution against Paul,
interrupting is always described as a sin done by the overflow of extremely
wicked people in the Bible.
Interrupting, quickly answering, and
speaking before actually hearing has always been a characteristic of perverted
fools and shallow and shameful societies that hate God. Whenever culture degrades to immodesty and
impiety to the greatest degrees, interrupting will abound. But if any culture
pursues more honorable things, even the lost among them will acknowledge that
interrupting is a dishonorable, cheap and wicked shame to practice. We can not
only see this being explicitly taught in the Scriptures, but even accepted by
the lost pagans of a more honorable day, which is all but gone in the fading
honor of a forgotten time of the past, now having been overshadowed by the
indulgence of modernity, and the pride and boasting of shamefulness in our age,
and love of our own foolish and dirty words, even to the dishonoring of other
people through the impulsive and reckless practice of interrupting.
Now having been shocked by a forgotten
truth which was once a common standard, will we repent of our inferior “new”
culture and obey the Bible to actually value words enough to let each speak,
one person at a time, or will we dishonor each other with the continual
self-exaltation and competition of interrupting with our own transgressing
words of vanity, disorder and irrational confusion? Let us tremble at the
commandment and do it zealously lest we receive the eternal wages of those who
sin by loving to speak.
11/11/17-11/12/17
When a hand is
raised, no one else speaks. (i.e. according to the clean cannon of Paul)
No interrupting (unless an authority silences a heretic/sin)
Dismissal
from Cooperative Communication
A Luxurious
person (sinner/pervert/heretic) is dismissed from Cooperative Communication
Not thinking (not
being a very thoughtful person)
Words without
knowledge
Not listening to
the words someone is speaking
Answering a matter
before hearing it
No Cut Throat
Trump Style interrupting and demanding quick responses
Hypocrisy (playing
games)
…..
Are you eager and
determined to hear the missing puzzle pieces for your life?
If I had everything
you needed in life, would you be absolutely determined to get that?
Will you stop
moving fast and will you stop talking fast long enough to hear the truth about
your life?
...
No assuming non
inspiration
Cheating
...
Logical fallacies?
Straw man
arguments
Begging the
question (Aggressively/mindlessly)
...
Being unspiritual,
soul-ish, unwise, ignorant, foolish, fleshly - and yet talking many words!
Unthoughtful
Inconsiderate,
unperceptive, rash and quick, confident, shallow contentment / content to
remain shallow
Manipulative
Talking many
words, yet...
Disorderly
Interrupting
....
Flash needs to
prove that it is poor, not truth needs to prove that it is true
Flesh balls should
not put the truth on the defense
Truth has no need to
defend its claim until flash has proven that it is worthy to talk to.
....
Playing games, and
then cheating on top of that!
When To Interrupt
1/16/16-1/17/16
Comp.: Hearing Comprehension
To Obey is Greater Than
Being Allowed to Speak
We do not typically interrupt unless it is for things like
disciplinarian purposes
Example:
If I say that something is complicated and we are not going to go
over it right now, and someone proceeds to go over complicated aspects that can
wait, then it is more important to enforce obedience to what was said then it
is to protect the sanctity of someone's value of not being interrupted.
A material breach of obedience is not protected by sanctions
against interruptions.
It is a moral issue and virtue requirement to have hearing
comprehension and obey charges given by authority.
Other dates;
1/17/16
This is a Bible study that speaks to our ritch
indulgent self-confident culture:
if a man will be saved from sin it is required that
he be found humble and broken, vulnerable and reverent to all the dictates of
truth to which he must choose to be attracted, captivated, overwhelmed and
amazed by. It is not proper that a woman act like a man, nor is it right for
those who are in the process of being saved to lead themselves out and
circumvent their life guard. Life gurds are taught that if a drowning person
panics and dominates their situation that you often have to let them drown
before you can save them let you both be pulled under by the compulsion and
lack of souness and self control in the victem.
We ought to instead be wise, humble and reverent,
because the Kingdom is not for the rash,
the foolish, the self confident, the unsubmitted, the fearful, but for the
humble and submitted.Only pour people Get into God's kingdom.
But the indulgent, independant (i.e. Unsubmitted)
the confident, the sufficient, those who are affirmed in their abilities, those
who are confident because of their knoledge, those who have not demoted
themselve because of their own faults, those who are not eager to recieve help
in truth those who are quick and impulsive without restraining themselves to
hear trujth, those who speak more than they hear, those who dominate their own
perdicament
All of these do not amke it in the end. Why is it
that Jesus commands us to be like children and we never take Him seriously? Why
is it we always find ourselves confident and dominating like the eldest when
Jesus said we needed to be as the younges. Why do we always act like those who
rule among the nations when Jesus said we had to be the opposite?
A fool bites the hand that feeds him, but one who hs
been reasonably trained by God even honors the lowly vessle he is fed with from
God's hand.
It is not fitting and becoming of one who is in need
to inerupt the surgen who works on him. It is not sane and sound for a
drounding person to panic and hurt and pull under the life gaurd who comes to
pull him out.It is not right for wiksdom and truth to be set asside for
convenience. It is not reasonable for beggers to be choosers. It is not right
for those in need to dictate how their needs must be met.
Humility will save everyone who honors her because
she pring 100 % of those who Love and endure with her to Jesus and Hos kingdom.
Being vulnerable to truth we will have no danger at
all concerning the wolves. Having trusted God first, we will naturally trust
His ambasitors. Having reverently listened to God, it is absolutly certain that
we will also listen to His ambasitors in the same way, because we must find
Jesus' Words true:
He who recieves you recieves me
Truth is not found by a fool who leads himself, but
by one who has become embarased over his own leadings and repents to actually
follow Jesus in truth, with out the hypocracy of despising the weak flesh
wrappe around the
instrament chosen to guide him.
I can prove how Truly reverent a person is toward
God in their prayer closet by how they treat God in public when He is
represented in "the least of these" His brothers.
A person's loyalty to Jesus' authority is not as
much tested when they are praying by themselves as when they are responding to
His representatives on earth. E really know that Jesus is Lord over a person's
life when they honor and reverence His mesengers.
If we are 100% given to God then we must prove it by
being ealous to honor His truth 100% of the time.
Seeing the weakness in the flesh in others is an
easy cheapshot to take against God. We ought not to be found taking it if we
will live.
Overflow of Heart
3/1/26
Overflow of Heart
Context
(comp. Mat_5:17-20;
Mat_7:13-29; Mat_12:33-37; Luk_6:43-49)
Mat_12:
ES: A Tree Is Known by Its Fruit
Mat_12:33 "Either make the tree good and its fruit
good, or else make the tree rotten and its fruit rotten; for a tree is known by
its fruit.
Mat_12:33 ῎Η
ποιήσατε τὸ
δένδρον
καλὸν, καὶ τὸν
καρπὸν
αὐτοῦ
καλόν, ἢ
ποιήσατε τὸ
δένδρον
σαπρὸν, καὶ
τὸν καρπὸν
αὐτοῦ
σαπρόν· ἐκ
γὰρ τοῦ
καρποῦ τὸ
δένδρον γινώσκεται.
Mat_12:33
η ποιησατε το
δενδρον καλον
και τον καρπον
αυτου καλον η
ποιησατε το
δενδρον σαπρον
και τον καρπον
αυτου σαπρον
εκ γαρ του
καρπου το
δενδρον
γινωσκεται
Mat_12:34 Brood of
vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Mat_12:34
γεννήματα
ἐχιδνῶν,
πῶς δύνασθε
ἀγαθὰ
λαλεῖν
πονηροὶ
ὄντες; ἐκ
γὰρ τοῦ
περισσεύματος
τῆς καρδίας
τὸ στόμα λαλεῖ.
Mat_12:34
γεννηματα
εχιδνων πως
δυνασθε αγαθα
λαλειν πονηροι
οντες εκ γαρ
του
περισσευματος
της καρδιας το
στομα λαλει
Mat_12:35 A good man out
of his good treasure brings forth good things, and an evil man out of his evil
treasure brings forth evil things.
Mat_12:35 ὁ
ἀγαθὸς
ἄνθρωπος ἐκ
τοῦ ἀγαθοῦ
θησαυροῦ
ἐκβάλλει
ἀγαθά, καὶ
ὁ πονηρὸς ἄνθρωπος
ἐκ τοῦ
πονηροῦ
θησαυροῦ
ἐκβάλλει πονηρά.
Mat_12:35
ο αγαθος
ανθρωπος εκ
του αγαθου
θησαυρου TSτης
TSκαρδιας
εκβαλλει TSτα
αγαθα και ο
πονηρος
ανθρωπος εκ
του πονηρου
θησαυρου εκβαλλει
πονηρα
Mat_12:36 But I say to
you, that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in
the day of judgment.
Mat_12:36
λέγω δὲ
ὑμῖν ὅτι
πᾶν ῥῆμα
ἀργὸν ὃ
ἐὰν
λαλήσωσιν οἱ
ἄνθρωποι,
ἀποδώσουσι
περὶ αὐτοῦ
λόγον ἐν
ἡμέρᾳ
κρίσεως·
Mat_12:36
λεγω δε υμιν
οτι παν ρημα
αργον ο Aλαλησουσιν
TSBεαν TSBλαλησωσιν
οι ανθρωποι
αποδωσουσιν
περι αυτου λογον
εν ημερα
κρισεως
Mat_12:37 For by your
words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned."
Mat_12:37
ἐκ γὰρ τῶν
λόγων σου
δικαιωθήσῃ
καὶ ἐκ τῶν
λόγων σου
καταδικασθήσῃ.
√ GNT-V
Mat_12:34 NKJV Brood of vipers! How
can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart
the mouth speaks.
Luk 6
[ES: A Tree
and Its Fruit]
Luk_6:43 "For a good
tree does not produce rotten fruit, nor does a rotten tree produce good fruit.
Luk_6:43
Οὐ γάρ
ἐστι δένδρον
καλὸν ποιοῦν
καρπὸν
σαπρόν,
οὐδὲ
δένδρον
σαπρὸν
ποιοῦν καρπὸν
καλόν·
Luk_6:43
ου γαρ εστιν
δενδρον καλον
ποιουν καρπον σαπρον
ουδε Aπαλιν
δενδρον σαπρον
ποιουν καρπον
καλον
Luk_6:44 For each tree is
known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they
gather grapes from a thorn bush.
Luk_6:44
ἕκαστον γὰρ
δένδρον ἐκ
τοῦ ἰδίου καρποῦ
γινώσκεται·
οὐ γὰρ ἐξ
ἀκανθῶν συλλέγουσι
σῦκα, οὐδὲ
ἐκ βάτου
τρυγῶσι
σταφυλὴν.
Luk_6:44
εκαστον γαρ
δενδρον εκ του
ιδιου καρπου γινωσκεται
ου γαρ εξ
ακανθων
συλλεγουσιν
συκα ουδε εκ
βατου TSBτρυγωσιν
σταφυλην Aτρυγωσιν
Luk_6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his
heart brings forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure
of his heart brings forth that which is evil. For out of the abundance of the
heart his mouth speaks.
Luk_6:45 ὁ
ἀγαθὸς
ἄνθρωπος ἐκ
τοῦ ἀγαθοῦ
θησαυροῦ τῆς
καρδίας
αὐτοῦ προφέρει
τὸ ἀγαθόν,
καὶ ὁ
πονηρὸς
ἄνθρωπος ἐκ
τοῦ πονηροῦ
θησαυροῦ τῆς
καρδίας αὐτοῦ
προφέρει τὸ
πονηρόν· ἐκ
γὰρ τοῦ
περισσεύματος
τῆς καρδίας
λαλεῖ τὸ
στόμα
αὐτοῦ.
Luk_6:45
ο αγαθος
ανθρωπος εκ
του αγαθου
θησαυρου της
καρδιας TSBαυτου
προφερει το
αγαθον και ο
πονηρος TSBανθρωπος
εκ του πονηρου TSBθησαυρου
TSBτης TSBκαρδιας
TSBαυτου
προφερει το
πονηρον εκ γαρ TSBτου
περισσευματος TSBτης
καρδιας λαλει
το στομα αυτου
[ES: Build
Your House on the Rock]
Luk_6:46 "But why do
you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?
Build Your House on the
Rock
Luk_6:46
Τί δέ με
καλεῖτε
Κύριε Κύριε,
καὶ οὐ
ποιεῖτε ἃ
λέγω;
√ GNT-V
Luk_6:45 NKJV A good man out of the good treasure of
his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his
heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth
speaks.
Pro_4:
Pro_4:23 WEB Keep your heart with all diligence, for out
of it is the wellspring of life.
Pro_4:23 LB Keep your heart with the utmost care, for out
of these are the issues of life.
Pro_4:23
πάσῃ φυλακῇ
τήρει σὴν
καρδίαν· ἐκ
γὰρ τούτων
ἔξοδοι ζωῆς.
Pro_4:23 NKJV Keep your heart with all diligence,
For out of it spring the issues of life.
Exclusivity of
Words
Other dates (mostly 2010-2011, as seen
above); 11/17/17
1Pe_4:11 CAB If anyone [τις] speaks,
let him speak [let it be] as ·the utterances of God [λόγια Θεοῦ –
God’s words]. If anyone serves [διακονεῖ],
let him serve [let it be]
as ·from
[ἐξ] strength, as [TSAἧς |Bως|]
[the (ὁ)] God
supplies [χορηγεῖ],
so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom
is the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen.
1Pe_4:11
εἴ τις λαλεῖ,
ὡς λόγια
Θεοῦ· εἴ τις
διακονεῖ, ὡς
ἐξ ἰσχύος TSAἧς |Bως| χορηγεῖ
ὁ Θεός· ἵνα ἐν
πᾶσι
δοξάζηται ὁ
Θεὸς διὰ ᾿Ιησοῦ
Χριστοῦ, ᾧ ἐστιν
ἡ δόξα καὶ
τὸ κράτος εἰς
τοὺς αἰῶνας
τῶν αἰώνων·
ἀμήν.
>> seeks his own glory
Eph_4:28 CAB
Let him who stole steal no longer [μηκέτι],
but rather let him labor [κοπιάτω],
working [ἐργαζόμενος]
that which is good with ·his
[ταῖς – the]
hands, in order that he may have something to share with him who has need.
Eph_4:28 ὁ
κλέπτων
μηκέτι
κλεπτέτω, μᾶλλον
δὲ κοπιάτω ἐργαζόμενος
τὸ ἀγαθόν
ταῖς χερσὶν, ἵνα
ἔχῃ
μεταδιδόναι
τῷ χρείαν ἔχοντι.
Eph_4:28
ο κλεπτων
μηκετι
κλεπτετω
μαλλον δε κοπιατω
εργαζομενος Aταις Aιδιαις
Aχερσιν
το αγαθον TSBταις
TSBχερσιν
ινα εχη
μεταδιδοναι τω
χρειαν εχοντι
Eph_4:29 Let no corrupt word proceed from
your mouth, but only
[εἴ] what is good for [πρὸς]
edification, that it may give [δῷ]
grace [χάριν – favor] to
them that hear.
Eph_4:29 πᾶς
λόγος σαπρὸς
ἐκ τοῦ
στόματος ὑμῶν
μὴ ἐκπορευέσθω,
|TSBαλλ| Aἀλλὰ εἴ τις
ἀγαθὸς πρὸς
οἰκοδομὴν τῆς
χρείας, ἵνα δῷ
χάριν τοῖς ἀκούουσι.
Eph_4:30 And do not grieve the Holy
Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Eph_4:30 καὶ
μὴ λυπεῖτε
τὸ Πνεῦμα
τὸ ῞Αγιον τοῦ
Θεοῦ, ἐν ᾧ ἐσφραγίσθητε
εἰς ἡμέραν
ἀπολυτρώσεως.
Eph_4:31 Let all bitterness, wrath,
anger, clamor, and blasphemy be removed [ἀρθήτω] from
you, with all malice [κακίᾳ].
Eph_4:31 πᾶσα
πικρία καὶ
θυμὸς καὶ ὀργὴ
καὶ κραυγὴ
καὶ
βλασφημία ἀρθήτω
ἀφ᾿ ὑμῶν
σὺν πάσῃ
κακίᾳ·
Eph_4:32 And be kind to one another,
tenderhearted [εὔσπλαγχνοι],
forgiving one another, just as also God in Christ forgave us.
Eph_4:32
γίνεσθε δὲ
εἰς ἀλλήλους
χρηστοί, εὔσπλαγχνοι,
χαριζόμενοι ἑαυτοῖς,
καθὼς καὶ ὁ
Θεὸς ἐν
Χριστῷ ἐχαρίσατο
ὑμῖν.
Eph_4:32
γινεσθε Aδε TSBδε εις
αλληλους
χρηστοι
ευσπλαγχνοι
χαριζομενοι
εαυτοις καθως
και ο θεος εν
χριστω
εχαρισατο Bημιν
TSAυμιν
>> Sync: ROW
| WkEth
Joh_7:16 CAB
Therefore Jesus answered them and said, "My
doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
Joh_7:16 ἀπεκρίθη
οὖν αὐτοῖς ὁ
᾿Ιησοῦς καὶ
εἶπεν· ἡ ἐμὴ
διδαχὴ οὐκ ἔστιν
ἐμὴ, ἀλλὰ
τοῦ
πέμψαντός με·
Joh_7:16
απεκριθη BAουν
αυτοις Aο TSBο
ιησους και
ειπεν η εμη
διδαχη ουκ
εστιν εμη αλλα του
πεμψαντος με
Joh_7:17 If anyone desires to do His
will, he will know about the doctrine, whether it is from God, or whether I am
speaking on My own authority [self].
Joh_7:17 ἐάν
τις θέλῃ τὸ
θέλημα αὐτοῦ
ποιεῖν,
γνώσεται
περὶ τῆς
διδαχῆ,
πότερον ἐκ
τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐστιν
ἢ ἐγὼ ἀπ᾿ ἐμαυτοῦ
λαλῶ.
Joh_7:18 He who
speaks from himself is seeking his own glory; but He who seeks
the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.
Joh_7:18 ὁ ἀφ᾿
ἑαυτοῦ λαλῶν
τὴν δόξαν
τὴν ἰδίαν
ζητεῖ, ὁ δὲ
ζητῶν τὴν
δόξαν τοῦ
πέμψαντος αὐτόν,
οὗτος ἀληθής
ἐστι, καὶ ἀδικία
ἐν αὐτῷ οὐκ
ἔστιν.
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This exclusivity also includes what
Jesus does as well as what He says:
See John Summaries: John 5; John 7; John 14
It is interesting that whenever satan sends someone they are free to
speak all they want and promote and glorify themselves without restraint,
because satan is glorified in the selfish and prideful exaltation of the flesh.
But whenever Jesus sends people they always have to live a crucified life of
humiliation and subjection in their glorious faith. They are truly slaves of
righteousness, because they are not free to go on opening their mouth at their
own pleasure. They like what is right, not what is convenient. They like what
is true, not what they have to say. They live according to what is obedient and
true, not to what is indulgent and self-promoting. They keep their mouth closed
until the right time, whereas pagans have no such restrictions:
Joh_7:6 CAB Then Jesus said to them, "My time
has not yet come, but your time is always ready.
Paganism makes no distinctions of cleanliness for holiness sake,
therefore, pagans can always talk. It takes a real Christian to actually keep
quiet in observance of holiness.
Time to speak?
Fire in bones
Don’t assume you are hearing from God
Jer_23:25-40 CAB I have heard what the prophets
say, what they prophesy in My name, saying falsely, I have seen a night
vision. 26 How long shall these things be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy
lies, when they prophesy the purposes of their own heart? 27 Who
devise that men may forget My law
by their dreams, which they have told everyone to his neighbor, as their
fathers forgot My name in the worship of
Baal. 28
The prophet who has a dream, let him tell his dream; and he in whom is My word spoken to him, let him tell My word
truly. What is the chaff to the wheat? So are My words, says the Lord. 29
Behold, are not My words as fire? Says the Lord; and as an axe cutting the
rock? 30
Behold, I am therefore against the prophets, says the Lord God, that
steal My words everyone from his neighbor.
31 Behold, I am against the
prophets that put forth prophecies of mere words, and slumber their sleep. 32
Therefore behold, I am against the prophets that prophesy false dreams,
and have not told them truly, and
have caused My people to err by their lies, and by their errors; yet I sent
them not, and commanded them not. Therefore, they shall not profit this people
at all. 33 And if this people, or the priest, or the
prophet, should ask, What is the burden of the Lord? Then you shall say to
them, You are the burden, and I will dash you down, says the Lord. 34 As for the prophet and the priests and
the people, who shall say, The burden of the Lord, I will even take vengeance
on that man, and on his house. 35 Thus shall you say everyone to his neighbor,
and everyone to his brother, What has the Lord answered? And, what has the Lord
said? 36
And the burden of the Lord you shall mention no more; for his own word shall be a man's burden. 37 But
what, you say, has the
Lord our God spoken? 38 Therefore thus says the Lord our God: Because
you have spoken this word, The burden of the Lord, and I sent to you, saying,
you shall not say, The burden of the Lord; 39 therefore
behold, I will seize and dash you
down and the city which I gave to you and your fathers. 40 And
I will bring upon you an everlasting reproach, and everlasting disgrace, which
shall not be forgotten.
Note 1: Corrections (such as cross-outs)
are made by me, Josiahs Scott
Note 2: For more on Jeremiah,
including a summary of this passage, see our Bible summaries:
www.TrueConnection.org/BibleStudies/Bible_Summaries.html#Jeremiah
Jesus Only Does and Says what He
Sees from The Father
Joh_14:10 – not His own Words
Joh_5:19-20 – only what He sees
the Father do
Joh_5:30 – does nothing of
myself
Joh_8:1-11 – Jesus says nothing and writes in
the sand until He is commissioned to speak
>> compare: cheap shots!
Jud_1:16 – be warned of
‘puffed words’
Remember:
- ‘every
idle word’
- stop up with judgment
The devil’s tactic is to get you to think speak and operate independently from God. We do this
when we speak our own words and don’t wait for God’s.
Speaking much is comparable to fornicating with many partners. You’re
only supposed to be with one person for life, and spiritually, you’re only
supposed to speak God’s Words, and those things beyond these boundaries are
lawlessness.
Big Point
I have found
that quite often the people that get tempted the most to speak independently
and naturally are also the same people who minimize our ability to hear from
God! Imagine that… Now why would that be?
We get
used to speaking our own words and love operating this way, and we do this and
then want to turn around and sabotage the Biblical teaching so that we say that
we can’t even hear God’s Words in the first place!
Don’t
cast scorn on our ability to obey the Bible and hear God’s voice simply because
you are complacently comfortable with violating holiness with your own mouth
and your own words.
Compare:
“Only Divine Words” and
“Jesus Only Does and Says what He Sees from The Father”
In the end, claiming that we cannot hear
God’s Words in order to justify our complacent and natural, fleshly lifestyle
is basically the same type of sin that Pentecostals usually use as a basis to
tag God’s name on to their own words.
Although the Pentecostal sin is far worse,
both of these attitudes attempt to make room for living a life where they get
to do what their own heart wants to do, and speak the words that readily come
from their own heart.
James Chapter One
Jas_1:19-27 CAB So then, my beloved brothers, let every man be quick to
hear, slow to speak*, slow to anger; [* Sir_5:11; See: Apocrypha_Defense.rtf – rough personal notes] 20 for the wrath of man does not produce the
righteousness of God. 21 Therefore
laying aside all filthiness and abundance of evil, in meekness receive the
implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But
become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23
Because if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, this one is like a man observing his natural
face in a mirror; 24 for he observed himself and has gone away,
and immediately forgot what sort of man
he was. 25 But the one
who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a
doer of the work, this one shall be blessed in what he does. 26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious,
and does not bridle his tongue but deceiving
his heart, the religion of this man
is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to care for orphans
and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.
Jas_3:1-15 CAB
My brothers, let not many become teachers, knowing that we shall receive
greater judgment. 2 For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in word,
he is a mature man, able also to bridle the whole body. 3
Consider that we put bits in horses' mouths that they may obey us, and
we guide their whole body. 4 Consider also the ships: although they are so
large and are driven by fierce winds, they are guided by a very small rudder
wherever the impulse of the pilot desires.
5 Even so the tongue is a small
member and it boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire
kindles! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of
iniquity. Thus the tongue is set among our members, as that which defiles the
whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by
hell. 7
For every kind of both beasts and birds, of both reptiles and sea
creatures, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. 8 But
no man can tame the tongue. It is
an unrestrainable evil, full of deadly poison.
9 With it we bless our God and
Father, and with it we curse men, who are created according to the likeness of God. 10 Out
of the same mouth come blessings and curses. My brothers, these things ought
not to be so. 11 The spring does not pour forth from the same
opening both the sweet and the
bitter water, does it? 12 It
is not possible, my brothers, for
a fig tree to make olives, or a vine to make
figs, is it? Thus no spring is
able to produce both salt and
sweet water. 13 Is there anyone wise and
understanding among you? Let him show by his good conduct that his works are in meekness of
wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and strife in
your heart, do not boast and lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from
above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.
(Also, don't swear: Jas_5:12)
How do you know when you are speaking with the
wrong Confidence?
Mat_12:36-37 WEB I tell you that every idle [αργονG692] word that men
speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be
condemned."
Jam_1:19 LITV
…my beloved brothers, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak… [A
reference from Sir_5:11; See: Apocrypha_Defense.rtf]
Jam_1:26 MKJV If anyone thinks to be religious among you, yet does not bridle his
tongue, but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is
vain.
>> Add: they are blind guides, leave
them alone
Psa_39:1-9 CAB ...I said, I will take heed to my
ways, that I sin not with my tongue;
I set a guard [KJV: “bridle”] on my mouth, while the sinner [KJV: “wicked”]
stood in my presence. 2 I was dumb,
and humbled myself, and kept
silence from good words; and my
grief was renewed. 3 My heart grew hot within me, and a fire would
kindle in my meditation; I spoke with my tongue, 4 O
Lord [that is, not
around the sinner], make me to know my end, and the number
of my days, what it is; that I may know what I lack. 5
Behold, You have made my days old; and my existence is as nothing before You; indeed, every
man living is altogether vanity.
Pause. 6
Surely man walks in a shadow; nay, he is disquieted in vain; he lays up
treasures, and knows not for whom he shall gather them. 7 And
now what is my expectation? Is it not the Lord? And my ground of hope is with You. Pause. 8
Deliver me from all my transgressions; You have made me a reproach to
the foolish. 9 I was dumb,
and opened not my mouth; for You are He that made me.
[also see the rest
of this chapter about vanity: Psa_39:10-13]
Pro_26:4-5 CAB Answer
not a fool according to his folly, lest you become like him. 5 Yet
answer a fool according to his folly, lest he seem wise in his own conceit.
No “Striving” to Speak
2Ti_2:23-26 – Foolish people have got to
be ready to endure and hear a meek voice without interrupting, if they are
worthy to be talked to at all...
Tit_3:8-11 CAB Faithful is this word, and concerning these
things I want you to strongly affirm, so that those who have believed in God
may take thought to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable
to men. 9 But avoid foolish [μωρὰς]
disputes [ζητήσεις]
and genealogies, and strifes [μάχας]
and legal fights [νομικὰς];
for they are unprofitable [ἀνωφελεῖς]
and futile [μάταιοι]. 10
Reject [παραιτοῦ]
a divisive man [αἱρετικὸν]
after the first and second admonition [νουθεσίαν], 11
knowing [εἰδὼς – perceiving]
that such a person has been perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.
Pro_14:5-8 KJV
A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter
lies. 6
A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth
it not: but knowledge is
easy unto him that understandeth. 7 Go from the presence of a
foolish man [But See LXX!], when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge. 8 The
wisdom of the prudent is to
understand his way: but the folly of fools is
deceit.
Pro_14:6-8 CAB You shall seek wisdom with bad
men, and shall not find it, but discretion is easily available with the
prudent. 7 All things are adverse to a foolish man, but
wise lips are the weapons of discretion.
8 The wisdom of the prudent will
understand their ways, but the folly of fools leads astray.
For more on how and why ‘we must
not talk to perverted fools,’ compare the Bible study entitled, “Embrace
Dialogue” (an unfinished work).
Psa_34:12-13
CAB What man is there that desires life, loving to see good days? 13
Keep your tongue from evil, and your lips from speaking guile.
(Mostly like the
MT; the Greek here is quoted almost exatly by 1Pe_3:10-11)
Psa_34:12-13
MKJV Who is the man that desires life, and loves days, that he may
see good? 13 Keep your tongue from evil and your lips from
speaking guile.
The
Multitude of Words Means Sin
This is a promise!
Pro_10:19-21
CAB By a multitude of words you shall not escape sin, but if you refrain your
lips you will be prudent. 20 The tongue of the just is choice silver, but
the heart of the ungodly shall fail.
21 The lips of the righteous know
sublime truths, but the foolish
die in want.
Pro_10:19-21 KJV In the
multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise.
20 The tongue of the just is as choice silver: the heart of the
wicked is little worth. 21 The
lips of the righteous feed many: but fools die for want of wisdom.
Pro_13:3-5 CAB He
that keeps his own mouth keeps his own life [τὴν ἑαυτοῦ
ψυχήν: his own soul; Heb. means
“soul” as well; see H5315], but he that is hasty with his
lips shall bring terror upon himself.
4 Every slothful man desires, but
the hands of the active are diligent.
5 A righteous man hates an unjust
word, but an ungodly man is ashamed, and will have no confidence*.
Pro_13:3-5 KJV He that keepeth
his mouth keepeth his life [Heb. means “soul” as well; see
H5315]: but he that openeth wide his lips shall
have destruction. 4 The soul of the sluggard desireth, and hath nothing: but the soul of the diligent
shall be made fat. 5 A righteous man
hateth lying: but a wicked man is
loathsome, and cometh to shame.
[* “no confidence”
CAB - this is a reverse of the original case: Pro_27:12
(quoted previously)]
So
in the end the result is:
Pro_14:26
CAB In the fear of the Lord is strong confidence...
Pro_15:28 CAB The hearts of the righteous meditate
faithfulness, but the mouth of the ungodly answers evil things...
Pro_15:28 MKJV The heart of
the righteous studies to answer, but the mouth of the wicked pours out evil
things.
Pro_17:27-28 CAB He that forbears to utter a hard
word is discreet, and a patient man is wise.
28 Wisdom shall be imputed to a
fool who asks after wisdom, and he who holds his peace shall seem to be
sensible.
Pro_17:27-28 LITV He who
restrains his words knows knowledge, and one
cool of spirit is a man of
understanding. 28 Even a fool who is silent is counted wise, he who shuts his lips is counted as discerning.
Pro_21:23
CAB He that keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps his soul from trouble.
(Much like MT)
Ecc_5:2 WEB Don't be rash with your mouth, and don't let
your heart be hasty to utter anything before God; for God is in heaven, and you
on earth. Therefore let your words be few.
Ecc_5:2 LB Do not be hasty with your mouth, and do not
let your heart be swift to utter anything before God; for God is in heaven
above, and you are on earth; therefore let your words be few.
Ecc_5:2 (5:1) μὴ
σπεῦδε ἐπὶ
στόματί σου,
καὶ καρδία σου
μὴ ταχυνάτω
τοῦ ἐξενέγκαι
λόγον πρὸ
προσώπου τοῦ
θεοῦ· ὅτι ὁ
θεὸς ἐν τῷ
οὐρανῷ, καὶ σὺ
ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς,
ἐπὶ τούτῳ
ἔστωσαν οἱ
λόγοι σου
ὀλίγοι.
Ecc_5:2 NKJV Do not
be rash with your mouth, And let not your heart utter anything hastily before
God. For God is in heaven, and you on earth; Therefore let your words be few.
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Ecc_5:2-3
CAB Be not hasty with your mouth, and let not your heart be swift to utter anything
before God; for God is in heaven above, and you are on earth; therefore let your words be few. 3 For
through the multitude of trial a dream comes; and a fool's voice is with a
multitude of words.
Ecc_5:2-3
LITV Do not be hasty with your mouth, and do not let your heart
hurry to bring forth a word before God. For God is in Heaven, and you are
on earth; on account of this, let your words be few. 3 For
the dream comes through the greatness of the task; and the voice of the fool is known by the many words.
Isa_35:8 CAB There shall be there a pure way, and
it shall be called a holy way; and there shall not pass by there any unclean
person, neither shall there be there an unclean way; but the dispersed shall
walk on it, and they shall not go astray.
Isa_35:8 KJV
And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way
of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men,
though fools, shall not err therein.
Rash words that are Rebuked by God
peter took
Jesus aside
there are
six days to work
by words justified and by words condemned
Speaking much is not loving
Speaking much is foolish
Speaking much is prideful
Elihu
I think this is not in accord with the LXX:
“A fool has no
delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own
opinion,” (Pro_18:2 WEB) [or “uncovering his heart” (LITV)].
And again, “A fool utters
all his mind…” (Pro_29:11 KJV).
In Job, it says of a young man named
Elihu,
2 …the wrath of Elihu… was kindled…
and… 6 Elihu… answered… “10 …I said,
'Listen to me; I also will show my opinion.'… 17 I also will answer my part, And I also
will show my opinion. 18 For I
am full of words. The spirit within me constrains
me. (Job_32:1-18 WEB) Behold, my belly is as wine which hath no
vent; it is ready to burst like new bottles.
20 I will speak, that I may be
refreshed: I will open my lips and answer. (Job_32:19-20 KJV)
Many reading about Elihu have forgotten
that it also says, “A fool also
is full of words…” (Ecc_10:14 KJV).
Stopped
Mouths:
The law was given “…that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be
brought under the judgment of God” [Rom_3:19 ASV].
For the overseer must
be… able to exhort in the sound doctrine, and to convict those who contradict
him. 10
For there are also many unruly men, vain talkers and deceivers, especially
those of the circumcision, 11 whose mouths must be stopped; men who overthrow whole houses, teaching things which they
ought not, for dishonest gain's sake, [Tit_1:7-11
WEB].
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Psa_141:3
KJV Set a watch, O LORD, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips.
“No man can tame it” so it has to be God who tames it if we are ever
going to be saved!
Bridle (I call this, the “Be quiet” anointing)
Remember “Bridle” the tongue? (Jas_1:26 – as quoted previously)
Remember that “Multitude of Words” = sin? (Pro_10:19 – as quoted previously)
2/8/13; other dates; 10/30/16
10/16/16; 10/30/16
Is the punishment different?
Is this writing: personal journal or directed/dictated
to someone else?
Good question to ask when determining the
severity of potential guilt or innocence.
Isa_10:1 WEB Woe to those who decree unrighteous decrees,
and to the writers who write oppressive decrees;
Isa_10:1 CAB Woe to them that write wickedness; for when
they write, they write wickedness,
Isa_10:1 οὐαὶ τοῖς
γράφουσιν
πονηρίαν· γράφοντες
γὰρ πονηρίαν
γράφουσιν
Isa_10:2 to
deprive the needy from justice, and to rob the poor among my people of their
rights, that widows may be their spoil, and that they may make the fatherless
their prey!
Isa_10:2
perverting the cause of the poor, violently seizing the judgment of the needy
ones of My people, that the widow may be a prey to them, and the orphan a
spoil.
Isa_10:2 ἐκκλίνοντες
κρίσιν πτωχῶν, ἁρπάζοντες
κρίμα πενήτων
τοῦ λαοῦ μου ὥστε
εἶναι αὐτοῖς χήραν
εἰς ἁρπαγὴν καὶ
ὀρφανὸν εἰς
προνομήν.
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Think:
- Miranda emails
- H projects
do not live randomly,
conveniently
live intentionally
consistently
We do not need projects to
get things done, we need commitment.
Woman busting through the
crowd with a request
cheap words are like quic
knowledge
you cannot learn any moral
truth quickly, because, no servant is greater than his master
Jesus learn things by
suffering, you cannot rightly aquire them by the Internet
The Internet can make
information more quickly accessible to you, but can't help you at all in
reaching integrity
Integrity must precede the
acquisition of knowledge
the only way integrity
follows after knowledge, is if that initiating knowledge brings you to
repentance
1/14/13
>> Repent of Interrupting additions
1/7/13
Sir_5:12 If thou hast
understanding, answer thy neighbour; if not, lay thy hand upon thy mouth.
Sir_5:12
εἰ ἔστιν σοι σύνεσις,
ἀποκρίθητι τῷ
πλησίον· εἰ δὲ
μή, ἡ χείρ σου ἔστω
ἐπὶ τῷ στόματί
σου.
12/15/12
Add: Gal 6 - catechet vs spiritual person...
not about being young, but being truly spiritual and fully instrcted (tomothy),
12/10/12
Wis_8:12 Brenton When I hold
my tongue, they shall bide my leisure, and when I speak, they shall give good
ear unto me: if I talk much, they shall lay their hands upon their mouth.
\/
Wise desire a listening ear!
12/9/12
‘let my tongue stick to roof of my mouth’
11/20/12
Wis_1:6 Brenton For wisdom is
a [man-] loving [φιλάνθρωπον] spirit; and will not acquit [ἀθῳώσει] a blasphemer [βλάσφημον] of his words [χειλέων ?]: for God is witness [μάρτυς] of his reins [νεφρῶν ? – NETS: “inner
feelings”], and a
true beholder [ἐπίσκοπος] of his heart, and *a [the] hearer of his tongue [καὶ τῆς γλώσσης
ἀκουστής].
>> might want to compare catholic, CPDV
Wis_1:6 Greek
φιλάνθρωπον
γὰρ πνεῦμα σοφία
καὶ οὐκ ἀθῳώσει
βλάσφημον ἀπὸ
χειλέων αὐτοῦ·
ὅτι τῶν νεφρῶν
αὐτοῦ μάρτυς ὁ
θεὸς καὶ τῆς
καρδίας αὐτοῦ ἐπίσκοπος
ἀληθὴς καὶ τῆς
γλώσσης ἀκουστής.
Wis_1:6-11 Brenton For wisdom
is a loving spirit; and will not acquit a blasphemer of his words: for God is
witness of his reins, and a true beholder of his heart, and a hearer of his tongue. 7 For
the Spirit of the Lord filleth the world: and that which containeth all things
hath knowledge of the voice. 8 Therefore he that speaketh unrighteous things
cannot be hid: neither shall vengeance, when it punisheth, pass by him. 9 For
inquisition shall be made into the counsels of the ungodly: and the sound of
his words shall come unto the Lord for the manifestation of his wicked
deeds. 10 For the ear of jealousy heareth all things:
and the noise of murmurings is not hid.
11 Therefore beware of murmuring,
which is unprofitable; and refrain your tongue from backbiting: for there is no
word so secret, that shall go for nought: and the mouth that belieth slayeth
the soul.
Wis_1:16 Brenton But ungodly
men with their works and words called it to them: for when they thought to have
it their friend, they consumed to nought, and made a covenant with it, because
they are worthy to take part with it.
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>>R!
Ecc_12:9-12 CAB And
because the Preacher was wise above others,
so it was that he taught men excellent knowledge, and the ear will
trace out the parables. 10 The Preacher sought diligently to find out
acceptable words, and a correct writing, even
words of truth. 11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as
nails firmly fastened, which have been given from one shepherd by
agreement. 12 And moreover, my son, guard yourself by means
of them; of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of
the flesh.
- Scripture refined
I have repented from just
typing out any and everything I feel and calling it "done."
God's Words are refined in
the fire seven times over, and yet we think we can just go along and type
whatever we want with no fear or judgement for our irreverence in
communication!
Why I Write
Slow
The Moral and practical
reasons why I cannot answer many questions in writting
(1) There is a practical
aspect of writing which limits me more than most people, which is the fact that
by default I tend to work in slow gear. I am not a naturally fast thinker, and
i am even slower when it comes to additing the p[rocess of writting to this!
While some people can think
quickly and ephiciently transfer it to writing, I do not have that privilage by
default. I hope you will be understanding if i cannot answer so many question
in writing because of this.
The great irony is that I
have run into this issue for all my life, and the best way to finally answer
this for everyone who asks is it, well, write it all out! Do you realize how
much it takes me just to explain why it takes so much to write things out?
(2) But much more important
than my personal limitations, there is a moral picture that is constantly
violated in the current world of writing
How do you know when you are speaking the right
Words?
Go over principals of exaltation
Pro_8:6-8 CAB
Listen to me, for I will speak solemn truths;
and I will produce right sayings
from my lips. 7 For my mouth shall meditate truth, and false
lips are an abomination before me.
8 All the words of my mouth are
in righteousness; there is nothing in them wrong or perverse.
>> Need to check these
against the Hebrew:
Pro_10:8 CAB A wise man in
heart will receive commandments, but he that is unguarded in his lips shall be
overthrown in his perverseness.
Pro_16:13
CAB Righteous lips are acceptable to a king, and he loves right words.
Pro_6:16-18 CAB For he
rejoices in all things which God hates, and he is ruined by reason of impurity
of soul. 17 The eye of the haughty, an unjust tongue, hands
shedding innocent blood, 18 a heart devising evil thoughts, and
feet hastening to do evil, are hateful to God.
Pro_18:20-21 CAB A man fills his belly with the
fruits of his mouth, and he shall be satisfied with the fruits of his
lips. 21
Life and death are in the power of the tongue, and they that rule it
shall eat the fruits thereof.
Pro_18:20-21 LITV A man's belly shall be satisfied with the
fruit of his mouth; he shall be satisfied with the
produce of his lips. 21 Death and life are
in the hand of the tongue, and those who love it shall eat its fruit.
Act_20:2 – Paul’s Warnings and Testimony
Add these:
- having many things to write
- ‘how many things’—in them many things which they
twist to their own destruction
- Sent them the prophets, rising early
These Apostles and Prophets gave us the Scriptures because they first
lost their own words
Jer_15:16-21 CAB
Consume them, and Your word shall
be to me for the joy and gladness of my heart. For Your name has been called
upon me, O Lord Almighty. 17 I have not sat in the assembly of them as
they mocked, but I feared because of Your power. I sat alone, for I was filled
with bitterness. 18 Why do they that grieve me prevail against
me? My wound is severe; when shall I be healed? It has indeed become to me as
deceitful water that has no faithfulness.
19 Therefore thus says the Lord:
If you will return, then will I restore you, and you shall stand before My
face. And if you will bring forth the precious from the worthless, you shall be as My mouth; and they shall return to you; but
you shall not return to them. 20 And I will make you to this people as a
strong bronze wall; and they shall fight against you, but they shall by no
means prevail against you. 21 For I am with you, to save you, and to
deliver you out of the hand of wicked men;
and I will ransom you out of the hand of pestilent men.
Both Good and Bad Word Dynamics
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KJV (MT)
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CAB (LXX)
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Pro_12:13-23 KJV
The wicked is snared by the transgression of his lips: but the just shall
come out of trouble. 14 A man shall be satisfied with good by the
fruit of his mouth: and the recompence
of a man's hands shall be rendered unto him.
15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is
wise. 16 A fool's wrath is presently known: but a
prudent man covereth
shame. 17 He that
speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit. 18
There is that speaketh like the piercings of a sword: but the tongue
of the wise is health. 19
The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment. 20
Deceit is in the heart
of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellors of peace is joy.
21 There shall no evil happen
to the just: but the wicked shall be filled with mischief. 22 Lying
lips are abomination to the
LORD: but they that deal truly are
his delight. 23 A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the
heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness.
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Pro_12:12-23 CAB
The desires of the ungodly are evil, but the roots of the godly are
firmly set. 13 For the sin of his
lips a sinner falls into snare, but a righteous man escapes from
them. (12:13A) He whose looks are gentle shall be pitied, but he that
contends in the gates will afflict souls.
14 The soul of a man shall be
filled with good from the fruits of his mouth, and the recompense of his lips
shall be given to him. 15 The ways of fools are right in their own
eyes, but a wise man heeds counsel.
16 A fool declares his wrath
the same day, but a prudent man hides his own disgrace. 17 A
righteous man declares the open truth, but an unjust witness is deceitful. 18
Some wound as they speak, like swords, but the tongues of the wise
heal. 19 True lips establish testimony, but a hasty
witness has an unjust tongue. 20 There is
deceit in the heart of him that imagines evil, but they that love peace shall
rejoice. 21 No injustice will please a just man, but
the ungodly will be filled with mischief.
22 Lying lips are an
abomination to the Lord, but he that deals faithfully is accepted by
Him. 23 An understanding man is a throne of wisdom,
but the heart of fools shall meet with curses.
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We know
we have the wrong confidence when we cannot stop speaking when we are supposed
to.
If the
same talking can make you sin when you are not supposed to be talking, it is
not at all clean when you seem to be talking about good things.
The true
test of a prophet is not when a person can speak, but when they can finally
shut their mouth:
When
confronted by a false prophet, notice what Jeremiah did initially when he was
contradicted:
Jer_28:11-12 CAB And Hananiah spoke in the
presence of all the people, saying, Thus said the Lord: Thus will I break the
yoke of the king of Babylon from the necks of all the nations. And Jeremiah went his way.
12 And the word of the Lord came
to Jeremiah, after Hananiah had broken the yokes off his neck…
It is
about time in history where people stopped assuming that they should always
have an answer and something (perverted) to say, and started being like the
real prophets in the Bible who took pleasure in the cleanness of quietness. If
there is never waiting in you “hearing god” then you are not “Hearing God”:
Joh_8:6 CAB But this they said, testing Him, that
they might have an accusation against Him. But Jesus, stooping down, began to
write on the ground with His finger, not taking notice.
Why is
this so? We must repent and come to terms with a very basic principal about
being a real prophet in Jesus kingdom:
1Co_14:32 CAB And the spirits of the prophets are
subject to the prophets.
If a person cannot
shut their mouth, we can be absolutely sure that they are not a prophet since
their ‘spirit is not subject to them.’ They may indeed be the prophets of Baal
in their pagan lack of self-control, but all of the real prophets in Jesus’
kingdom are able to subject their own soul, take up their cross, and WAIT for
whenever God would have them speak.
It is a great and
glorious day in history when we can finally find a person on earth who is actually
a real Christian, and has gotten a hold of true spiritual things, but every
fool can open their mouth to defile others with their pagan spirituality!
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Ephesians Project
Eliminating
Ungodly Humor, from those who will be godly enough to repent of it
8-17-2001, 6/30/08; 2/3/16
(recompiled); other dates; …1/23/17; 2/15/17 (recompiled again: ROW); 4/6/17
>> get Joking insp from older BBS’!
>> get main work from somewhere!!
>> Make Joking Compilation
Cursing
Lev_15:1-33 – See: where this is covered else
ware
We are not allowed to joke around about the
shame of sexuality because sexual shame comes from sin and the murder of the
human race.
If you joke about shame, then you rejoice in
the sin that created it, and you laugh in the face of God’s bitter anger and
immeasurably deeply wounded parable.
Take sexuality and its holiness and its
potential shame very seriously, because these threats of degradation and
devaluing and shame are the sin and death of the entire human race for hating
God -- you will perish if you rejoice in the death and shame of sexuality which
God so bitterly afflicted and cursed on account of sin.
If you are not in a life posture of treating
sexuality like God does, you will certainly perish and be destroyed and hated
for worshiping sin.
Only after sexuality has been thoroughly
sanctified and holyified can you rejoice in its blissful abundance.
Compare: Toit
Rich harlot cultures think they are soooo
free and joke around, and be lose, and they think they have God’s favor though
they hate the shadow of His most sensitive Love.
Scripture shows us how profoundly sin has
tainted sexuality
We are not allowed to make jokes about this
serious curse of sexual life -- the shame that is there is a damage of the
original holiness of sexuality that God made in the garden. Especially if you
intentionally mock this shame which God bitterly hates, you will also be
bitterly hted and destroyed for shaming his holy parable by rejoicing in its
destruction by sin.
Eph Project
By words judged
Other date(s); 2/21/17 (recompiled)
Eph Project
>>God will put laughter in Sarah's mouth
>> where is this BBS???
Psa_52:6 WEB The righteous also will see it, and fear, and
laugh at him, saying,
Psa_52:6 CAB And the righteous shall see and fear, and
shall laugh at him, and say,
Psa_52:6
(51:8) καὶ ὄψονται
δίκαιοι καὶ
φοβηθήσονται
καὶ ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸν
γελάσονται καὶ
ἐροῦσιν
The Justice of Innocent
Laughter
~1/26/17; 1/23/17
goal: only laugh at inocent & heart purifying clean,
obedience-producing jokes / mockery
don't be a stanch Anabaptist and say "NO" to all fun and
mockery laughter.
even if outsiders misjudge us when we are participating with Jesus as
"a man of sorrows" (this is a great irony and paradox), yet inside we
want an unfading and spiritual rejoicing
·Jusus was
anointed with the oil of joy above his fellows
·rejoice in lord
always... say it again
·Paul and silas
·joy unspeakable
BIG goal: be an extremist and out-do the pagans in having innocent fun.
·marriage instead
of imorality (like the Jews)
·running and
climbing trees instead of competition
additionally: God is the only happy God -- and one mark of potential
truth is when someone is extremist and Bible obedient, and somehow more
internally happy (that is, blessed) than everyone else.
Elijah: prophets of Bail
Jesus: a reed shaken by the wind?
No Fools Allowed For
Heroes
No Laughing at Foolishness
1/2/17
> sarchasm
> how do the following boundaries compare w laughing at cats, birds,
and even babies?
> childing... when is it right to reduce adults to children, when God
generally demands that you acknowledge things like age and gray hairs?
> the "Hurb" character was actually evil in concept, and
did "funny" sins
Big Boundary 1: You should laugh and mock foolishness & even foolish
people in a way that helps other people avoid repeating their evil error. --
that is bearing good fruit.
Big Boundary 2: don't let your laughter of foolishness include making
The "fool" a type of "hero". the innocent and clean goal is
to laugh and mock evil so as to discourage yourself and others from believing
fooly. Sin very quickly happens when you actually delight in the error and take
pleasure in it and cherish foolishness for the empty callaries of entertainment
rather than learning truth.
This same sin goes back even to the times when kings had royal/official
"fools" and "jokers" dressed up as cloans to entertain the
royal court.
>wiki/google
this come all the way till more modern times where you have movies like
"dumb and dummer" with two evil fools as the heros of the movie. In
Other examples, they might Make "cuter" fools the heros of certain
movies, but all these foolishnesses are the folly you get to rejoice in when
you laugh at your delightful heros for chearing you up with folly.
if you used to watch movies, you can probably think of other examples of
"funny movies" were the hero made you laugh and enjoy his error.
now it is time to set a boundary and not look back.
...
I used to live this way... i have greatly explored these moral
boundaries looking for truth and answers.
i questioned much for many years and tested much in my heart knowing
that almost no one else had an answer, especially one that they could
articulate in a deep way to teach others, including myself.
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Eph Project + 1Co_13: (love
don’t do shame) + Joking + Laughter +
Gen_9:20-27 – Ham did not consider sexuality important enough to keep sacred
Ham did not reverence shame enough to “not
laugh at bathroom jokes”
EPH_4:1-2
EPH_4:17-19
Eph_4:29-30 - no
outof mouth
Eph_5:3-6 -
shame talk not meantioned
Eph_5:8-13 -
find out... expose
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1Pe_3:15-16 WEB But
sanctify the Lord God in your hearts; and always be ready to give an answer to
everyone who asks you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, with
humility and fear: 16
having a good conscience; that, while you are spoken against as
evildoers, they may be disappointed who revile your good manner of life in
Christ.
1PE 3: 15
NIV ...in your
hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to
everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do
this with gentleness and respect, [16] keeping a clear conscience,
so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be
ashamed of their slander.
-Respect
to People & GOD? >Don’t respect people more than GOD
-Clear
conscience = gentleness and respect
-Isn’t
JESUS Holy? set apart -not the same as other things
TIT_2:6 Similarly,
encourage the young men to be self-controlled. [7] In everything
set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity,
seriousness [8] and soundness of
speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be
ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.
EPH_4:1 As a
prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. [2] Be
completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.
-Sets
tone
...
EPH_4:17 So I tell
you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the
Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. [18] They are darkened in
their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance
that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. [19] Having lost all sensitivity, they
have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of
impurity, with a continual lust for more.
...
EPH_4:29 Do not
let any unwholesome talk come out
of your mouths, but only what is
helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit
those who listen. [30] And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you
were sealed for the day of redemption.
...
-Now
in the same thought... :
EPH_5:3 But among
you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of
impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. [4] Nor
should there be obscenity, foolish talk or
coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
[5] For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a
man is an idolater--has any inheritance in
the kingdom of Christ and of God. [6] Let no one deceive you with
empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are
disobedient.
-Says
don’t live like the heathen i.e. unsaved as seen here
-Hope
your saved, but I know many who have been lost because of coarse joking
...
EPH_5:8 For you
were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of
light [9] (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness
and truth) [10] and find out what pleases the
Lord. [11] Have nothing to do with the fruitless
deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. [12] For it is
shameful even to mention what the
disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes
visible, [14] for it is light that makes everything visible.
--See
Greek Def of words at bottom--
1PE_4:7 The end of all things is near. Therefore
be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray.
-Now
is BIBLE against any joking/ Laughter?
-No:
GE 21:6 Sarah said, "God has brought me laughter, and everyone who hears about this
will laugh with me." [7] And she added, "Who would have said to
Abraham that Sarah would nurse children? Yet I have borne him a son in his old
age."
-But
notice who gives the laughter: “GOD”
Also:
PS 126:2 Our mouths were filled with laughter,
our
tongues with songs of joy.
Then it was said among the nations,
"The LORD has done great things for them."
-Not
carnal laughter, but a form of witnessing
“Legalism”?:
ECC_2:1 I thought in my heart, "Come now, I will
test you with pleasure to find out what is good." But that also proved to
be meaningless. [2] "Laughter,"
I said, "is foolish. And what does pleasure accomplish?" [3] I tried
cheering myself with wine, and embracing folly--my mind still guiding me with wisdom. I wanted to see what was
worthwhile for men to do under heaven during the few days of their lives.
-(Solomon
had fallen away)
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Others just incase:
ECC_7:3 Sorrow
is better than laughter,
because a sad face is good for the heart.
ECC_7:4 The
heart of the wise is in the house of mourning,
but
the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure.
ECC_7:5 It is
better to heed a wise man's rebuke
than to listen to the song of fools.
ECC_7:6 Like
the crackling of thorns under the pot,
so
is the laughter of fools.
This too is meaningless.
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JER_51:39 But while they are aroused,
I
will set out a feast for them
and
make them drunk,
so that
they shout with laughter--
then sleep forever and not awake,"
declares the LORD.___________________
JAS_4:9 Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your
laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. [10] Humble yourselves before the
Lord, and he will lift you up.
Greek Def of Key words:
(Verse 3)
impurity-167
akatharsia (ak-ath-ar-see'-ah); from 169; impurity (the quality),
physically or morally: KJV-- uncleanness.
(Verse 4)
obscenity-151
aischrotes (ahee-skhrot'-ace);from 150; shamefulness, i.e. obscenity:
KJV-- filthiness.
folish talk-3473
morologia (mo-rol-og-ee'-ah);from a compound of 3474 and 3004; silly
talk, i.e. buffoonery:
KJV-- foolish talking.
corse
joking-2160 eutrapelia (yoo-trap-el-ee'-ah);from a
compound of 2095 and a derivative of the base of 5157 (meaning well-turned,
i.e. ready at repartee, jocose); witticism, i.e. (in a vulgar sense) ribaldry:
KJV-- jesting.
Jokes Are Not Serious Enough to Change
9/26/04 (Typed in one sitting;
original title: Jokes, with Absolute Truth; +Word:
Created/Modified); 2/23/17 (recompiled; Retitled: Jokes Are
Not Serious Enough to Change)
We cannot joke about the bad habits that we
want to change, (weather in ourselves or in others).
To joke about a bad habit is to say that it
is not serious enough to change.
That which we make light of we are effectively choosing to keep.
Joking about bad habits is the world’s
strategy of indirect confrontation, and because it is not God’s way it does not
generally work.
What we make light of, we are not taking
seriously enough to get grid of.
It is a double-handed dealing. We wish for confrontation because of
necessity but fear the price of excepting [accepting] responsibility for it. It
is a dishonest way of doing, and
pretending we didn’t do. We attacked and then pretend it was only a
joke. By this we reveal faults without
necessitating change. God is different. Every time He reveals faults, it always
includes the reality and serious need for change.
We
handle bad habits this way because (like so many times) we are acting out of
our agitation instead of our God-given conviction. Our agitation compels us to vent the
problem unto no solution, where as a conviction of God has the end of change.
We know that venting produces no good thing and so the cover it up by calling
it “a joke”. We give criticism without
hope, but God’s standards
always pave the way to freedom.
We
often shoot ourselves in the foot in that we genuinely want things different,
but unknowingly forfeit such change by taking on the wrong methodology.
In
establishing these things we must not altogether outlaw sarcasm. Though it is usually used for bad, there are
a number of God’s people who used it rightly, (such as Elijah and Paul).
Interestingly enough, we can make some contrast in that the effect of a
Godly sort of sarcasm is not levity, but instead a profound sense of
conviction. In this we see the difference
between God’s uses of sarcasm and our abuses of joking: in that God never
treats any amount of sin with lightness, even if these sins appear so small to us that they are deemed as “bad
habits”.
Our joking later produces vain streams
of gossip behind closed doors and this is not like God.
In
this we must mourn for our levity, as it says,
Let your laughter be turned
into morning
So that the scripture may be fulfilled in us
that says,
You [God] have put laughter in my mouth
We have songs that ‘we are trading our
sorrows,’ but it is high time that we trade in our levity for a better and
God-given sort of laughter in return.
Josiahs Scott,
Josiahs@trueconnection.org,
www.TrueConnection.org
Cursing: 2007-2013 (See: Smoking, in Eating Fasting &
Feasting); [Cursing and Profanity: Written around 2007-2009;
Compiled 11/19/09] 2/10/17 (recompiled)
[* esp. incl. Confronting The Cursing
Agenda of Antichrist -- But: Bless or Curse Enemies?
-- re-compiled into SOM]
Ephesians Project
>> compare: SOM: Bless or Curse Enemies?
>> See: SOM:
Swearing
These are my personal short-hand notes for now.
Profaning
the Atmosphere
·Willfully using “profanity” of the mouth to
defile something sacred
Rejoicing
in Evil
·Delighting in an evil falling on another
person
Complaining
Profaning the atmosphere
As an expression of your emotion
You are so desparate to express your evil
emotion, you are willing to profne something that is holy in order to express
your evil heart
“Positive Cursings”
Sexual Behavior – cursing things in that
context
Explicitives
man
When they are happy
Even when they are not angry
Wikipedia used to have a really helpful
article on this, but then they de-educated it to be more useless.
“Profanity (also called bad language, swearing
or cursing) is a subset of a language's lexicon that is considered by some
to be strongly impolite or offensive.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profanity
Accessed 5/12/13
This is mindless and de-educating in the most
religious degrees
Rom_3:10-18 CAB Just as it
is written: "There is none righteous, no not one, 11 There is none who understands; there is none
who seeks God. 12 All have
turned aside; together they became unprofitable; there is not one
doing kindness, there is not so much as one." 13 "Their throat is an opened grave; with
their tongues they deceived"; " the poison of asps is
under their lips"; 14 "Whose mouth is full of cursing and
bitterness. 15 Their
feet are swift to shed blood; 16 Ruin and misery are in their ways; 17 And the way of peace they did not know. 18 There is no fear of God before their
eyes."
Jas_3:9-11
CAB With it we bless our God and Father,
and with it we curse men, who are created according to the likeness of
God. 10
Out of the same mouth come blessings and curses. My brothers, these
things ought not to be so. 11 The spring does not pour forth from the same
opening both the sweet and the bitter water, does it?
We are in an unheard of day when people hate Truth and goodness
so much that they are seeking along with the antichrist to introduce cursing as
a norm into the church.
“Complaining” they say, "or speaking evil against someone is
wrong, but if it is none of these then it is no different than other
words."
“Gratituitus cursing” or “Idiomatic, Emphatic”
- Gratifies and evil seed to curse
- Claims its just words, as though words are natural?!
- Acts like you are not going to give an account (Greek: a spoken
account) for every idle word we speak in this life
- the “Idiom” remains sinfully potent, and that is why we still
use it. If it did not defile, we would have no reason to use it
·Cursing raises up in every culture
·All men are sinful, and in every culture they
lust after defilement
·All cursing is meant to pollute the
atmosphere
·There would be no strength or gratification in
doing it if it did not defile
·Profanity aims to make a holy or even normal
atmosphere profane
·Profanity is demonic: Demons take great
pleasure in trash
·Like a polluted well... righteous who gives
way before wicked
·When you are used to poop water you have a
hard time seeing that there is anything defiling about poop
Using Sexual defilement to profane is very telling and
self-evident:
You despise the sanctity of sexuality when you use it's
defilement to gratify yourself
Jas_3:10 > Rom_3:14 (not "against" someone)
Fighting for the Saving
Virtue of Biblical Logic, Rationality, Reasoning, Dialog, and Clean
Communication with Divine Words
6/6/17
-- Under
Construction --
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Dabar / Logos / Ratio/ration
(tally)/rationality, Verbum
Rom_12:1 VULGATE
obsecro itaque vos fratres per misericordiam Dei ut exhibeatis corpora
vestra hostiam viventem sanctam Deo placentem rationabile
obsequium vestrum
1Pe_2:2
as newborn babes, desire the [ἐπιποθήσατε]
genuine [ἄδολον]
milk [γάλα] of the word [λογικὸν],
that by it you may grow,
1Pe_2:2 ὡς ἀρτιγέννητα
βρέφη τὸ
λογικὸν ἄδολον
γάλα ἐπιποθήσατε,
ἵνα ἐν αὐτῷ
αὐξηθῆτε εἰς
σωτηρίαν,
We see that logic is NOT dispassionate!
LOGIC is a Monotheistic Thing!
LOGOS > DABAR
DABAR occurs 1288 times in the MT / current
Hebrew text
Confused Liberal Heretic that
Points Out Some Things to Consider
http://answersanswers.com/God/Bible1-God.html
Targum Psudo-Jonathan -- Date Disputed…
And the Lord said to the angels who ministered
before Him, who had been created in the second day of the creation of the
world, Let us make man in Our image, in Our likeness; and let them rule over
the fish of the sea, and over the fowl which are in the atmosphere of heaven,
and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every reptile creeping
upon the earth. And the Lord created man in His Likeness: [JERUSALEM. And the
Word of the Lord created man in His likeness, in the likeness of the presence
of the Lord He created him, the male and his yoke-fellow He created them.] In
the image of the Lord He created him, with two hundred and forty and eight
members, with three hundred and sixty and five nerves, and overlaid them with
skin, and filled it with flesh and blood. Male and female in their bodies He
created them.
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Other date; 10/20/17; 7/28/18
>> recompile
from LUX????????
>> ES search on “listen”
Deu_8:20 WEB
As the nations that Yahweh makes to perish before you, so you shall
perish; because you wouldn't listen to the voice of Yahweh your God.
Deu_8:20 LB As also the other nations which the Lord God
destroys before your face, so shall you perish, because you would not heed the
voice of the Lord your God.
Deu_8:20
καθὰ καὶ τὰ
λοιπὰ ἔθνη, ὅσα
κύριος ἀπολλύει
πρὸ προσώπου ὑμῶν,
οὕτως ἀπολεῖσθε,
ἀνθ᾿ ὧν οὐκ ἠκούσατε
τῆς φωνῆς κυρίου
τοῦ θεοῦ ὑμῶν.
Deu_11:28 WEB and the curse, if you shall not listen to the
commandments of Yahweh your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command
you this day, to go after other gods, which you have not known.
Deu_11:28 and a curse, if you do not
hearken to the commands of the Lord our God, as many as I command you this day,
and you wander from the way which I have commanded you, having gone to serve
other gods, which you do not know.
Deu_11:28 καὶ τὰς
κατάρας, ἐὰν μὴ
ἀκούσητε τὰς ἐντολὰς
κυρίου τοῦ θεοῦ
ὑμῶν, ὅσας ἐγὼ ἐντέλλομαι
ὑμῖν σήμερον,
καὶ πλανηθῆτε ἀπὸ
τῆς ὁδοῦ, ἧς ἐνετειλάμην
ὑμῖν, πορευθέντες
λατρεύειν θεοῖς
ἑτέροις, οὓς οὐκ
οἴδατε.
---------------
The most important Truth is usually
counter-intuitive, but it is never illogical.
Think and actually consider some sanity, at
least for a moment: If Truth were intuitive then most people would be right about
most things, but it goes without saying as an obvious and overtly observable
scientific fact that most people are dead wrong about almost all the most
important truths in life…
7/28/18 YouTube
---------------
“Eastern”
Heretic Claiming Logic is “Western”!
“It is hard to approach Orthodoxy with
western eyes. We don't or such a high value on logic or systematic thinking
like the western. And we shouldn't. The scripture is clear.”
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155536419980159&set=a.93689355158.106717.515225158&type=3&theater
6/29/17
Yes, India (for example) is illogical yet
Eastern (along with many other cultures) But yet, monotheists are Eastern and
have always worshiped Logos…
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Biblical Reasoning
Num_14:6 WEB But Joshua
the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, of those that spied out the
land, tore their clothes,
Num_14:6 LB Ἰησοῦς
δὲ ὁ τοῦ Ναυη καὶ
Χαλεβ ὁ τοῦ
Ιεφοννη τῶν
κατασκεψαμένων
τὴν γῆν διέρρηξαν
τὰ ἱμάτια αὐτῶν
Num_14:7 WEB and they
spoke to all the congregation of the children of Israel, saying, The land,
which we passed through to spy it out, is an exceeding good land.
Num_14:7 and spoke to all
the congregation of the children of Israel, saying, “The land which we surveyed
is indeed very good.
Num_14:7 καὶ εἶπαν
πρὸς πᾶσαν
συναγωγὴν υἱῶν
Ισραηλ λέγοντες
Ἡ γῆ, ἣν
κατεσκεψάμεθα
αὐτήν, ἀγαθή ἐστιν
σφόδρα σφόδρα·
Num_14:8 WEB If Yahweh
delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it to us; a land
which flows with milk and honey.
Num_14:8 If the Lord delights in us, He will bring us
into this land, and give it to us; a land which flows with milk and honey.
Num_14:8 εἰ αἱρετίζει
ἡμᾶς κύριος, εἰσάξει
ἡμᾶς εἰς τὴν γῆν
ταύτην καὶ δώσει
αὐτὴν ἡμῖν, γῆ ἥτις
ἐστὶν ῥέουσα γάλα
καὶ μέλι.
Num_20:3 WEB The people strove with Moses, and spoke,
saying, Would that we had died when our brothers died before Yahweh!
Num_20:3 LB And the people reviled Moses, saying, “If
only we had died in the destruction of our brothers before the Lord!
Num_20:3 καὶ ἐλοιδορεῖτο
ὁ λαὸς πρὸς
Μωυσῆν λέγοντες
Ὄφελον ἀπεθάνομεν
ἐν τῇ ἀπωλείᾳ
τῶν ἀδελφῶν ἡμῶν
ἔναντι κυρίου·
Num_20:4 WEB Why have you brought the assembly of Yahweh
into this wilderness, that we should die there, we and our animals?
Num_20:4 And why have you
brought up the congregation of the Lord into this wilderness, to kill us and
our cattle?
Num_20:4 καὶ ἵνα
τί ἀνηγάγετε τὴν
συναγωγὴν κυρίου
εἰς τὴν ἔρημον
ταύτην ἀποκτεῖναι
ἡμᾶς καὶ τὰ κτήνη
ἡμῶν;
Num_20:5 WEB Why
have you made us to come up out of Egypt, to bring us in to this evil place? it
is no place of seed, or of figs, or of vines, or of pomegranates; neither is
there any water to drink.
Num_20:5 And why is this? You have brought us up out of
Egypt, that we should come into this evil place; a place where there is no
sowing, neither figs, nor vines, nor pomegranates, neither is there water to
drink.”
Num_20:5 καὶ ἵνα
τί τοῦτο ἀνηγάγετε
ἡμᾶς ἐξ Αἰγύπτου
παραγενέσθαι
εἰς τὸν τόπον τὸν
πονηρὸν τοῦτον;
τόπος, οὗ οὐ σπείρεται
οὐδὲ συκαῖ οὐδὲ
ἄμπελοι οὐδὲ ῥόαι
οὐδὲ ὕδωρ ἐστὶν
πιεῖν.
BBS: Logos Bible Study
tags: BBS: Logos BBS ; logic bible study
9/6/16; 9/9/16
Note: not to be confused with the
"Logos Bible" translation or "logos software" or any other
churchy use or abuse of the original Greek/Biblical term
Logical Falicies are
prohibited by The Bible
9/6/16-9/7/16
Genesis 3 – Snake: Did God Really say you
cannot eat from all the trees?
Satan thrives in the realm of...
>> Num_12:
1Ti_6:4 he is puffed up, understanding nothing, but is
morbidly concerned with disputes and word battles, from which come envy,
strife, slanders, evil suspicions,
1Ti_6:4 τετύφωται,
μηδὲν
ἐπιστάμενος,
ἀλλὰ νοσῶν
περὶ
ζητήσεις καὶ
λογομαχίας, ἐξ
ὧν γίνεται
φθόνος, ἔρις,
βλασφημίαι, ὑπόνοιαι
πονηραί,
Jas_3:13 CAB Is there anyone wise and understanding
among you? Let him show by his good conduct that his works are in
meekness of wisdom.
Jas_3:13
Τίς σοφὸς
καὶ ἐπιστήμων
ἐν ὑμῖν;
δειξάτω ἐκ
τῆς καλῆς ἀναστροφῆς
τὰ ἔργα αὐτοῦ
ἐν πρᾳότητι
σοφίας.
How to Be Solid, &
Not Wishy-Washy
4/21/16
Logic
3/22/14
>> also refer to this in the justice
Bible study
logic
6/26/17
>>scripture:
num rebellions
flash balls like to change their position and
then act like you did something wrong by not continuing to give them the same
benefits.
WIKI: Axiums
"Tautologies excluded, nothing can be deduced
if nothing is assumed."
"Modern development
A lesson learned by mathematics in the last 150
years is that it is useful to strip the meaning away from the mathematical
assertions (axioms, postulates, propositions, theorems) and definitions. One must concede the need for primitive notions, or
undefined terms or concepts, in any study. Such abstraction or
formalization makes mathematical knowledge more general, capable of multiple
different meanings, and therefore useful in multiple contexts. Alessandro
Padoa, Mario Pieri, and Giuseppe Peano were pioneers in this movement."
---------------
>> Gen_3:1 has God said…
>> Num_11: Moses said: I wish that all
God’s people were prophets
Num_12:1 WEB
Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he
had married; for he had married a Cushite woman.
Num_12:1 LB Aaron and Miriam Jealous of Moses And Miriam
and Aaron spoke against Moses, because of the Ethiopian woman whom Moses took;
for he had taken an Ethiopian woman.
Num_12:1
Καὶ ἐλάλησεν
Μαριαμ καὶ
Ααρων κατὰ
Μωυσῆ ἕνεκεν τῆς
γυναικὸς τῆς Αἰθιοπίσσης,
ἣν ἔλαβεν Μωυσῆς,
ὅτι γυναῖκα Αἰθιόπισσαν
ἔλαβεν,
Num_12:2 WEB
They said, "Has Yahweh indeed spoken only with Moses? Hasn't he
spoken also with us?" And Yahweh heard it.
Num_12:2 And they said, “Has the Lord spoken to Moses
only? Has He not also spoken to us?” And the Lord heard it.
Num_12:2
καὶ εἶπαν Μὴ
Μωυσῇ μόνῳ λελάληκεν
κύριος; οὐχὶ καὶ
ἡμῖν ἐλάλησεν;
καὶ ἤκουσεν κύριος.
2/27/08; 8/25/09; 8/31/09; 11/30/09; 4/14/10; 4/17/10; 4/27/10;
6/19/10; 1/24/11; 2/9/17 (recompiled)
Note: ~2008-2011: this point originally included Embrace Dialogue & Fighting Cheap Shots
(as seen below)
Biblical Reasoning Means Dialog
Note 2: This unfinished work is a companion
Bible study with the Bible studies entitled, “Absolute Truth” and “Repent of Words”
(unfinished).
Note 3: This Bible study is e-Sword Compatible
(which means that you can use this free software to very quickly look up all of
the references)
·
In Greek, logos means “word.”
·
In the following
cases, “reasoned” comes from a compound that includes logos.
·
In most of
these references the word is, “διαλέγομαι”
(dialegomai).
·
The
implication of this word is, “To speak back and forth or alternately, to
converse with, reason, present intelligent discourse,” (Word Study).
Act_17:2 -
Act_17:17 -
Act_18:4 - in synagogue...
persuaded
Compare: Jas_3:17 - wisdom is easily entreated
Act_18:19 -
Act_19:8 - 3 months... bold
Act_19:9 - leave church to have
reason
Act_20:7 - Dialog in teaching/
preaching
Act_20:9 -
Act_24:12 -
Act_24:25 -
The idea in the following references is a Greek negation (a) plus logos. This
teaches that it is evil and bad if people negate talking through things because
this is “unreasonable” (literally, without word).
Act_25:27 - Common
decision-making
2Pe_2:12 - False brothers /
prophets*
Jud_1:10 - False brothers /
prophets*
* 2Pe_2:12 / Jud_1:10 – “brute beasts” (KJV) / “unreasoning
natural animals” (CAB) = ἄλογαG249 (áloga):
without word
Compare:
2Th_3:2
- Delivered from (ατοπωνG824)
Note: This particular part of
the Bible study was originally designed for people who have forsaken everything
to obey all of Jesus’ commands, and are potentially facing persecution from it.
You can't always access the rationale of a person, so there are times
where you cannot enter into dialog because a person's rationale is not
accessible.
You can see from passages in the next section:
Biblical reasoning starts where people are at with basic facts and
standards that are agreed upon and then progresses into the matter at hand to
bring out the true conclusion.
If someone is an atheist, their rationale is inaccessible, and it is
impossible to enter into meaningful dialog. In these cases, don't play games
with people who care nothing for truth but only want to play with other fools
in meaningless and evil vain talk. Don’t play games with people that are
committed ahead of time to do nothing but glory in spewing foolishness from
their mouth.
In so many cases people don't want truth, but they simply want to take
cheap shots...
Other dates (2008-2011 -- See: Embrace
Dialogue); 2/9/17 (recompiled)
What to do when Dialog is not righteously Available
See: Judging the Church
>> Pop: JCH
5/20/16
sp man is judged by no man...
the way we withold ourselves from proving anything
to a fool is because he does not own or judge us, nor are we permited to
validate his insamity...
Note: This particular part of the
Bible study was originally designed for people who have forsaken everything to
obey all of Jesus’ commands, and are potentially facing persecution from it.
If someone asks questions and is truly curious, open, and hungry for
truth, they will ask and listen to pry answers out of you that they would
happily and seriously consider, while showing you gentleness and acknowledging
your integrity.
A “cheap shot situation” is
when a person interrogates you and pretends that they are asking for an answer,
but they deceptively present the questions in a way to not give you a chance to
properly respond. Interruptions and “short-changing” chances to explain your
answers are obvious giveaways of this.
Striking at various unrelated
targets and using “straw man arguments” are obvious giveaways that people do
not desire truth. When they direct attacks at your character instead of the
reasonableness of what you believe and represent before you have even been
permitted to state your stance or explanation, then you know they are playing
games, and you ought to abstain from such dishonesty “so that they may feel
ashamed” (see 2Th_3:14).
Many times we have to
foresee, as Jesus did, that we are in a “mock trial” and be sure that we do not
play along with the lie. We wait for open doors and use the occasion of their
deception to speak the truth and expose their game at the same time. When there is perseverance on their behalf,
and well-mannered persistence in questioning, then even a hard heart may
deserve the rebuking answer that it is unwilling to accept.
So when do you speak? The principal is this: When you have to fight
with them to speak, keep quiet. When you have to fight with them to keep quiet,
then you may need to speak. Keep
resolutely quiet, and wait to speak the Word of God with certainty and boldness
in the height of the opportunity, and don’t let God’s message be defamed by
associating it with their mock trial of deceptive questions.
In short, Proverbs says:
Pro_26:4 CAB Answer
not a fool according to his folly, lest you become like him.
Jesus’ Silence! – A – Consider all of the
Times Jesus Had To Be Silent in His life
Isa_53:7; Act_8:32-33; Mat_26:63, Mat_27:12-14; Mar_14:61, Mar_15:5; Luk_23:9; Joh_19:9; 1Pe_2:23
We may also include with
this the fact that Jesus mostly did not teach or do much of anything public for
the first 30 years of His life! Think about all of the synagogues He went to and
all of the filth and non-sense He heard for 30 years, and all of that without
being allowed to say a Word!
Compare:
Luk_2:1-52
with Luk_3:23;
Joh_2:11
Mat_26:59-66
Mar_14:55-64
Luk_22:63-71
Joh_18:19-24
Joh_18:33-38
Note: This particular part of
the Bible study was originally designed for people who have forsaken everything
to obey all of Jesus’ commands, and are potentially facing persecution from it.
·
Determine beforehand to always return the conversation
to the Scriptures
·
[“we know no one according to the flesh” (2Co_5:16)]
·
What they think to do: If they can take the eternal mandates
of God that are “established in the heavens forever” and make them rest upon a
fragile human then they can annul the potency of the Word of God and release
themselves from its demands.
·
They will focus on “you”
and presume their questions as if this is obviously the bases of your actions,
rather than acknowledging your integrity for doing what you find in the Bible.
·
I'm committed to doing whatever the Bible says, even
if I have to change.
·
If someone can show me where the Bible says different,
even now, I am willing to change.
·
"Are you
saying we are all in sin?"
·
The question itself is deceptive, and implies lies
·
It pressures you to step out individually from under
the Bible
·
It suggests that you did this from yourself, but you
did not volunteer for this, but you surrendered unto it.
·
Being threatened by a truth they are not keeping, they
despise the messenger and invent false and unreasonable motives for them to
clear themselves from responsibility.
·
So they ask, "Are you saying we are all in sin?"
·
I'm saying the Bible is true. We ought to obey everything it says. Whenever
we don't obey the Bible, it is sin.
~2009-2013
(See: Getting Synchronized); 2/20/17
(recompiled)…1/8/23
12/31/22?-1/2/23
>>>>
NEW
·
Let's make God
happy by being completely unashamed of the Truth 1, which always
results in us perfectly agreeing with each other...
·
‘His
commandments are not burdensome’ 2 and agreement is not hard -- it
will not be hard for you like it is for the rest of the human race if you'll
just believe me and do what I'm saying.
·
We will
easily correct each other, save each other, rejoice each other, agree with each
other, all while embracing the Truth together...
·
BTW if you
want to make me happy, get up in cheerful optimistic faith, and believe that
the saltiest 3, most fiery, hardcore disciples are the ones that
agree with each other the most, all without bickering, disagreements,
arguments, disunity, strife, fleshly confusion, subjective opinions, uninspired
perspectives, and un-crucified folly...
(1) Unashamed of
Truth: Rom_1:16-17;
Php_1:20; Psa_3:3; Psa_34:5; Psa_138:2; 2Ti_1:12; 2Ti_2:1-2; Dan_3:16-18
(2) 1Jo_5:3 – commandments
are not burdensome
(3) Mar_9:50 – salty peace with one another (repeated below)
~12/14/22-12/18/22
·
Goal:
Transfer information.
·
Being
optimistic does not mean we only talk about easy things, it just means we are
positive in the process
·
We can talk
about challenges, but there's no need to be unhappy toward each other.
·
Let's not finish the year in unhappiness but in optimism,
hope, and faith...
·
If changing our budget practices really is a right thing
to do, then it inherently does not require/cause/insight us toward unhappiness
with each other...
·
Doing right
things does not make you prone toward judging in the flesh *, …it does not make
you less faithful, merciful, and logically empowered to effectively and
patiently communicate...
·
Being unhappy/negative/stressed
doesn't contribute a single valuable thing to accomplishing our righteous
goals.
·
‘A (wicked)
servant can't be corrected with words’ (Pro_29:19), but righteous people can
easily listen, learn, change, grow, and be redirected with such logic.
Believe Toward Each Other
·
It is
irrational, unscientific, without integrity, and resisting the worship of Logic
to be unbelieving toward each other.
·
You will not
find a higher form of Truth so that you can sin with it and still be True.
>>>
Joh_7:24 –
don’t judge according to appearance
Joh_7:24 μη? κρι?νετε
κατ᾿ ὄψιν,
ἀλλα? τη?ν
δικαι?αν
κρι?σιν
κρι?νατε.
2Co_10:7 Τα? T-APN κατα? προ?σωπον
N-ASN βλε?πετε
V-PAI-2P. …
Pro_29:19
WEB A servant can't be corrected by words.
Though he understands, yet he will not respond.
Pro_29:19 A
stubborn servant will not be reproved by words: for even if he understands,
still he will not obey.
Pro_29:19 λόγοις οὐ παιδευθήσεται οἰκέτης σκληρός· ἐὰν γὰρ καὶ νοήσῃ, ἀλλ᾿
οὐχ ὑπακούσεται.
Communication Is Everyone's Responsibility
…12/23/22
·
A favorite
stubborn irrational conviction of fast-paced Flesh Balls is, all-to-often, so
typically, to feel very strongly about not needing to persevere in communication
beyond their own intuition.
·
Flesh balls
do not believe they need to keep on going with communication when it is not
intuitive for them.
·
Each one who
bears a burden in their heart is responsible to persevere and persist at initiating
communication until their awareness and information is transferred to the other
party.
·
We need to be
striving to communicate the pending burdens of our heart.
·
If you keep
your sentiments bottled up and don't persevere and don't repeatedly persist at
initiating communication, then you don't have any prerogative to outsource your
resulting frustration & responsibility on someone else who hasn't yet heard
or really understood what has frustrated you.
·
Logic does NOT allow you to “drop the bomb”
on someone, and blast them with supposed facts of new knowledge, when your
unhappiness erupts before meekly persisting in communication.
·
Communicate first, then only be angry if you
are zealous for God’s Logical Truth!
·
We cannot
succeed at communication if each party involved does not give persistent,
patient, meek, humble, perseverance to keep talking about the same things until
we all arrive at Perfect Unity, (as the Scriptures say).
·
Outsourcing
responsibility makes us unnecessarily frustrated with each other.
·
Own your own
responsibility.
·
Don't become
frustrated with others when you haven't done the prerequisites that are
required of you.
·
Don't make
someone else indebted when you yourself haven't paid over your owed
communication debt.
·
Even if
someone evil is in control, a righteous person can still persistently beg like
a subjected widow. -- How much more, then, meekly subjected should we be with
those who eagerly give all of their energy to doing what is most righteous,
disciplined, and are subjected under the virtue of obeying all of the Bible?
·
"What
are the next steps toward this problem I still feel" -- The formula that
solves virtually all knowledge issues among righteous people who Love the God
of Logical communication.
·
If you're
frustrated, first make sure that you have meekly and humbly persevered to keep
bringing things up until communication is successful.
>>> Do just about as much logic and
warfare as you possibly can in prayer to have a prepared and clean Orthodox
posture toward each other, and you can possibly carefully and meekly request
some help earlier if you're floundering in the meantime in the process, and
then after preparing and seeking any needed help, if you still have a burden on
your heart, respond to your responsibility and keep communicating it with
everyone else as much as its needed and helpful.
1/1/23; 1/8/23
The Point: Keep repeating your unresolved feelings,
experiences, and/or knowledge for as long as you keep having them
until all disciples understand and agree.
If we have a “mutuality” posture toward each other and we Keep Asking for Communication then we will win!
12/18/22
AlSat 11:01pm(edited)
Ricochet about communication - I was
praying some of the following in prayer this morning as a good confession and
request towards God:
'If any man can tame the tongue then he'd
be a perfect man' (James_3:2)
I want to humble myself before the
righteous.
I want to interact with people well.
Giving an answer when called upon
Asking questions when in doubt
Speaking God's words when helped
Slow to speak when reactive
Not giving up (or shutting down) when
discouraged
Persisting in petitions when in need
Directing/leading when forced/constrained
Proceeding in fear
Always protecting others
Always believing
Always hoping
Always remaining under & enduring
…12/23/22-12/25/22 (presented w H visiting AAL)
>>> see:
Make God Happy (above)
How do I know that this is each speaker’s responsibility?
Because we
all need to strive for unity therefore it logically follows that we are each
responsible to communicate the burdens of our hearts.
See: RAS > UNITY OF THE RIGHTEOUS
Mistakes/Quirks in Speaking
12/26/22-12/27/22;
1/2/23…1/8/23…1/13/23-1/15/23…1/22/23
>> ROW |
LO>Assuming non-INSP
>> we can
shun discouragement and know Truth for ourselves (not judging unrighteously or
fearing it from others)
>> we can
shun sin/hypocrisy/flesh
·
Mistakes
happen, and we should not be criticizing them.
·
We should be
crediting righteousness to the pure, and the innocent, and the wise, just like
the Bible does.
·
We will be
saved from fleshly/unlawful/foolish/illogical criticism, if we’ll beg for
inspiration instead of assuming it’s not there (i.e. criticizing)
The
Need for Quirky Integrity is Not Isolated to Only One Example
It would be
unhealthy to think that this exhortation is about the one who wrote it, since
the principles are still a concern for your safety even if I left and went away
from this world.
A Communication
Quirk is…
·
An accident
when attempting to communicate
·
A
(potentially temporary) failure at expression
·
An unsuccessful
attempt at representing the contents of someone’s thoughts and heart
·
A pragmatic
“hiccup” or “stutter” from one’s intention
·
A morally
similar experience and phenomena to stumbling when attempting to walk, and
falling when weakness overtakes us
·
A weakness of
the human condition
·
A periotic
event that we are all subject to, by default
·
A humbling
event that we can all expect to experience repeatedly, sooner or later
(this is
not a prediction, but a description of likelihood)
·
A sobering
reality that reminds us to humbly Love others enough to sympathetically help
redeem them from the brokenness of this life
·
A trouble of
this life that real heroes reverse
A Communication
Quirk is NOT…
·
What someone
was really trying to say
·
Worth judging,
criticizing, reacting to, or characterizing someone by
·
A crime, sin,
fault, or moral failure (by nature)
·
A measurement
of someone’s value or virtue
·
Something to
boast against
When God is ready to boast in someone’s
inspiration, make sure you are not found boasting against their quirks, lest
God also boast against you at their exaltation and your destruction (failure to Love and know Truth).
Quirks vs. Sin
·
Quirks are
not inherently Sinful.
·
Sin can cause
and overlap with Quirks, but it doesn’t have to.
·
When Quirks
are not Sin, then you can (& should/must) distinguish the two of them (as
much as you have opportunity to do so).
·
Un-sinful
Quirks are a departure from intention that does not defile the conscious.
If someone
is defiled when beholding a non-sinful quirk, who has sinned?
The One beholding is generally always at fault for defilement against the
innocent.
·
If you can
keep doing goodness, Truth, real Love without missing a beat (or if you just
need to pause to readjust mentally) then you know the quirk was not measurably
sinful for all socially functional intents and purposes.
·
If you are
hard hearted (bitter, unloving, untrue, unclean) then sin was included
somewhere in the quirk.
re-Define Your Character into
Being a Hero
·
Getting your “Quirky”
definitions straight can help you not be a moral failure when reacting to other
people’s troubles.
·
Rather, we
need to correct, change, and reverse our heritage of satanic accusations into
the salvation of becoming real heroes who rescue hurt people from the troubles
of this life.
(Am I
exaggerating our satanic heritage or is this rather and understatement?)
·
Even more so
besides: many heroes in the Bible had Communication Quirks and God’s council
did not criticize them at all.
·
Although a
quirk is not a hidden inspiration (by nature, inherently, automatically), yet
inspiration can (and sometimes does) hide in quirks.
·
Because of
this, we also should reverently fear lest we blaspheme even heroes as being
uninspired due to their quirks, when God is so in Love with them that He even
writes their quirks and boasts in their inspiration in His Bible (when boasting
against those critics…)
·
Critics will
die in their sins and perish in His rejection and wrath when ignorantly sinning
against those He has subjected to weakness.
·
God will
redeem, reward, praise, exalt, and promote those who have believed in
inspiration and those who have “loosed every yoke” (Isa 58 & 61, etc.) and
rescued others from the troubles of this life.
·
Abraham’s
Wandering
·
Etc.
In a lot of ways we are going through this
example topic as an opportunity to address and remove the stain of indulgent
assumptions away from us.
The opposite of Assuming Non-Inspiration
is NOT Assuming Inspiration, but it is rather to STOP Assuming!
When you start begging, thirsting for, and
welcoming inspiration instead of assuming it is not there, then you can
actually cause it into being.
Assuming Non-Inspiration happens when you
are not desperately prioritizing the Word of God, and causing inspiration
happens when you cannot live without it!
Example: it’s much like, 'idleness is the
devil's workshop...' when you’re Assuming Non-Inspiration
If you were preoccupied in being inspired,
and inclined and welcoming toward it, then you would have no room in
your soul to assume that it is not there in others.
Jud_1:21 LSV keep yourselves in the
love of God, waiting for [προσδεχόμενοι] the mercy of our Lord Jesus
Christ [resulting]
in continuous life;
Jud_1:21
ἑαυτοὺς ἐν
ἀγάπῃ Θεοῦ
τηρήσατε,
προσδεχόμενοι
τὸ ἔλεος τοῦ
Κυρίου ἡμῶν
᾿Ιησοῦ
Χριστοῦ, εἰς
ζωὴν αἰώνιον.
√ --
GNT-V
TSK+: looking: Job_14:14; Lam_3:25-26;
Mat_24:42-51; Luk_12:36-40; 2Ti_4:8 [ἠγαπηκόσι
τὴν ἐπιφάνειαν
αὐτοῦ]; Tit_2:13-14 [προσδεχομενοι
την μακαριαν
ελπιδα και
επιφανειαν]; Heb_9:28 [ὀφθήσεται (LEX:
ὀπτάνομαι G3700,
but others say LEX: ὁράω G3708}
τοῖς αὐτὸν
ἀπεκδεχομένοις
εἰς
σωτηρίαν]; 2Pe_3:12 [προσδοκῶντας
G4328 (i.e. expectantly watch/wait) καὶ
σπεύδοντας
τὴν
παρουσίαν τῆς
τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμέρας]
WS on G4328: …to look for. Expect, wait
or look for (Mat_11:3; Mat_24:50; Luk_1:21; Luk_3:15; Luk_7:19-20; Luk_8:40;
Luk_12:46; Act_10:24; Act_28:6; 2Pe_3:12-14; Sept.: Psa_119:166). In the sense of
hope (Act_27:33); with the inf. (Act_3:5).
Whenever you're in the posture of
receiving inspiration for yourself, you are so far from assuming it's not
elsewhere, that you instead automatically encourage it in others and even cause
it to be in others as well.
>>>
Jer_23:29 – Jeremiah my Word like Fire
Joh_4:1 – Woman at the well
Gen_28:16 – God was here and I didn’t know it
Joh_2:1-12 – Wedding at Cana
Your faith has healed you: Mar_5:34;
Mar_10:52; Luk_7:50
…
@Al: 1/22/23, Sun 3:44pm
Homework- "Causing people to be
inspired"
Running list examples:
*Jacob getting Isaac's blessing?
*Abigail energizing David
*Harpist who helped inspire Elisha?
*2Ki 4 Shunammite woman who received a
miracle because she was eager to do Elisha good
*Centurion who told Jesus that he didn't even
need to come see him but to "just say the word"
*Woman with the issue of blood who touched
the Lord and power left him
*Man who said to the Lord 'I believe, help my
unbelief'
*The woman whom the Lord called a
"dog"
haSun 5:26pm
Thanks for that
neat list : )
Exo_4:10-13 – I am weak in speech, and slow-tongued
Exo_6:12-13 – MT: uncircumcised lips; LXX: without word / non-word-ish [ἄλογός εἰμι (ABP: not
reckoned)]
Exo_6:28-30 – MT: uncircumcised lips; ABP: weak-voiced
Think: falling on face -- similarly: Jesus writes in the sand
“Uncircumcised” is used, according to the
Hebrew idiom, for any imperfection which interferes with efficiency.”
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/exodus/6-12.htm
/\
https://randasbibleblog.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/what-does-it-mean-that-moses-had-uncircumcised-lips-and-what-is-its-significance/
1/2/23
Talk about a “quirk” that taught us loads
of orthodoxy through a single misunderstanding/miscommunication!
Pardon/excuse your dad when he is old and can't
think straight
Sir_3:12
TVV+ [3:7, 3:12,
3:16, 4:2] My son [τέκνον – NETS: Child], take care of [ἀντιλαβοῦ] your father when
he is old;
do not grieve [λυπήσῃς] ·him as
long as he lives.1 [[ Sir_3:12] LXX(I) / Heb(A), Syr “him all the days of
your life”]
13 Even if [κἂν – and if it
may be] ·his mind fail [ἀπολείπῃ
σύνεσιν (v. 29) –
NETS: he fails in comprehension; Br: his understanding fail; Conversely: v 13, 24-26,
29 (i.e. sometimes a person is guilty on how they fair mentally at their end)], ·be considerate with him [συγγνώμην
ἔχε – fig.: have patience with him
(Br)];
do not revile [ἀτιμάσῃς – NETS:
dishonor] ·him in the fullness
of your
strength [αὐτὸν ἐν
πάσῃ ἰσχύι σου].2 [[ Sir_3:13]
LXX / Heb(A), Syr “him all the days of his/your life”]
Sir_19:16
TVV+ Then, too, a man can slip and not mean it;
who has not sinned with his tongue?
Sir_19:16
WEBA There is one that slips [Br: in his speech], and [Br: but]
not [Br: his] from the heart
WEB/Br [ψυχῆς – soul]:
And who is he that has not sinned with his tongue?
Sir_19:16 ἔστιν ὀλισθάνων
καὶ οὐκ ἀπὸ ψυχῆς,
καὶ τίς οὐχ ἥμαρτεν
ἐν τῇ γλώσσῃ αὐτοῦ;
there is one
who slips with his mouth but not with his heart
·
Mat_17:4 –
LSV: we may make three shelters [tents] here
·
Mar_9:5-6 –
LSV: ...for he was not knowing [ᾔδει]
what ·he might say [WEB: to say], for they were ·greatly
afraid [ἔκφοβοι]
Mar_9:6 οὐ
γὰρ ᾔδει τί
λαλήσῃ· ἦσαν
γὰρ ἔκφοβοι.
·
Luk_9:33 –
LSV: not knowing what he says
...μὴ εἰδὼς ὃ
λέγει
Not a single word of criticism in the
Gospels (except that Peter had a quirk).
2Pe_1:16-21 – Holy mountain… “more firm the prophetic word” (LSV)
In retrospect, Peter does not allow anyone
to despise his communication quirk, but much rather instead, we are commanded/charged to
reverence his eye witness account all the more (in his epistle)!
We’re not allowed to assume he’s not
inspired. We are required to believe that he has ‘a more sure word of
prophecy’.
>> you will
NOT wash my feet
Rebuke is
well-deserved, when confidence is unfounded
Joh_1:45 CAB Philip found Nathanael
and said to him, "We have found the One about whom Moses
wrote in the Law, and the Prophets--Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."
Joh_1:45 εὑρίσκει
Φίλιππος τὸν
Ναθαναὴλ καὶ
λέγει αὐτῷ·
ὃν ἔγραψε Μωϋσῆς
|Aμωυσης
TSBμωσης| ἐν τῷ
νόμῳ καὶ οἱ
προφῆται εὑρήκαμεν,
᾿Ιησοῦν TSBτὸν υἱὸν
τοῦ ᾿Ιωσὴφ
τὸν ἀπὸ
Ναζαρέτ. |Sναζαρεθ
TBAναζαρετ|
One of the main points of John was to
record specifically how Jesus was
Divine, and also how His disciples discovered this.
The first chapter starts with declaring
His pre-incarnate Divinity as the LOGOS/Word of God (Joh_1:1, etc.), and John
shows how his disciples did not realize this in this very same chapter (Joh_1:45) and how it took till the last supper (Joh_14:5, etc.) for Jesus to still be explaining
His Divinity.
Therefore, when Philip said “Jesus of
Nazareth, the son of Joseph” John remembered and included this detail in
his Gospel to emphasize this developing theme of Discovering Jesus’ Divinity,
which was not quite realized by His disciples at first.
It is no accident that we read again later
in John about Thomas and Philip, where Jesus says ‘have you not known me
Philip?’
Joh_14:5-11 LSV Thomas
says to Him, “Lord, we have not known to where You go away, and how are we able
to know the way?” 6
Jesus says to him, “I AM the way, and the truth, and the life, no one comes to
the Father, if not through Me; 7 if you had known Me, you
would also have known My Father, and from this time you
have known Him, and have seen Him.” 8 Philip
says to Him, “Lord, show to us the Father, and it is enough for us”; 9 Jesus says to
him, “Such [a] long time am I with you, and you have
not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father;
and how do you say, Show to us the Father? 10
Do you not believe that I [am] in the Father, and the Father is in
Me? The sayings that I speak to you, I do not speak from Myself, and the Father
who is abiding in Me does the works Himself; 11 believe Me, that I [am]
in the Father, and the Father in Me; and if not, because of the works
themselves, believe Me.
Joh_14:5
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Joh_14:6
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Joh_14:7 ειG1487COND εἰ if εγνωκατεG1097V-RAI-2P γινώσκω to know να [εγνωκειτεG1097V-LAI-2P γινώσκω to know] τσβ μεG3165P-1AS μέ me καιG2532CONJ καί and τονG3588T-ASM ὁ the πατεραG3962N-ASM πατήρ a father μουG3450P-1GS ἐγώ of me γνωσεσθεG1097V-FDI-2P γινώσκω to know να [εγνωκειτεG1097V-LAI-2P γινώσκω to know] τσβ [ανG302PRT ἄν soever] τσβ καιG2532CONJ καί and απG575PREP ἀπό off αρτιG737ADV ἄρτι just now γινωσκετεG1097V-PAI-2P γινώσκω to know αυτονG846P-ASM αὐτός he, she, it καιG2532CONJ καί and εωρακατεG3708V-RAI-2P-ATT ὁράω by extension αυτονG846P-ASM αὐτός he, she, it
Joh_14:8
λεγειG3004V-PAI-3S λέγω to lay forth αυτωG846P-DSM αὐτός he, she, it φιλιπποςG5376N-NSM Φίλιππος fond of horses κυριεG2962N-VSM κύριος lord δειξονG1166V-AAM-2S δεικνύω to show ημινG2254P-1DP ἐγώ to us τονG3588T-ASM ὁ the πατεραG3962N-ASM πατήρ a father καιG2532CONJ καί and αρκειG714V-PAI-3S ἀρκέω to ward off ημινG2254P-1DP ἐγώ to us
Joh_14:9
λεγειG3004V-PAI-3S λέγω to lay forth αυτωG846P-DSM αὐτός he, she, it οG3588T-NSM ὁ the ιησουςG2424N-NSM Ἰησοῦς Jesus τοσουτωG5118D-DSM τοσοῦτος so vast as this να [τοσουτονG5118D-ASM τοσοῦτος so vast as this] τσβ χρονωG5550N-DSM χρόνος a space of time να [χρονονG5550N-ASM χρόνος a space of time] τσβ μεθG3326PREP μετά accompaniment υμωνG5216P-2GP σύ of you ειμιG1510V-PXI-1S εἰμί I exist καιG2532CONJ καί and ουκG3756PRT-N οὐ no, not εγνωκαςG1097V-RAI-2S γινώσκω to know μεG3165P-1AS μέ me φιλιππεG5376N-VSM Φίλιππος fond of horses οG3588T-NSM ὁ the εωρακωςG3708V-RAP-NSM-ATT ὁράω by extension εμεG1691P-1AS ἐγώ me εωρακενG3708V-RAI-3S-ATT ὁράω by extension τονG3588T-ASM ὁ the πατεραG3962N-ASM πατήρ a father [καιG2532CONJ καί and] τσβ πωςG4459ADV-I πῶς in what way? συG4771P-2NS σύ thou λεγειςG3004V-PAI-2S λέγω to lay forth δειξονG1166V-AAM-2S δεικνύω to show ημινG2254P-1DP ἐγώ to us τονG3588T-ASM ὁ the πατεραG3962N-ASM πατήρ a father
(Notice the memorable numerical
coincidence: 1:45
& 14:5 concerning Phillip)
We see that John repeatedly focuses on Philip
and Thomas, along with a few others, as examples of how His disciples
discovered Jesus’ Divinity.
A major climax of this theme is when the so
called “doubting” Thomas declares Jesus to be his “Lord and God” (Joh_20:28
& comp. Joh_20:17).
Joh_20:27-29 LSV …do not become unbelieving, but
believing.” 28
And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” [lit. the lord of mine and the
God of mine]
29 Jesus says to him,
“Because you have seen Me, Thomas, you have believed;
blessed [are]
those having not seen, and having believed.”
μηG3361PRT-N μή not γινουG1096V-PNM-2S γίνομαι to cause to be απιστοςG571A-NSM ἄπιστος disbelieving αλλαG235CONJ ἀλλά other things πιστοςG4103A-NSM πιστός trustworthy
Joh_20:28 [καιG2532CONJ καί and] τσβ απεκριθηG611V-ADI-3S ἀποκρίνομαι to conclude for oneself [οG3588T-NSM ὁ the] τσ θωμαςG2381N-NSM Θωμᾶς the twin καιG2532CONJ καί and ειπενG2036V-2AAI-3S ἔπω to speak αυτωG846P-DSM αὐτός he, she, it οG3588T-NSM ὁ the κυριοςG2962N-NSM κύριος lord μουG3450P-1GS ἐγώ of me καιG2532CONJ καί and οG3588T-NSM ὁ the θεοςG2316N-NSM θεός god μουG3450P-1GS ἐγώ of me
Joh_20:29
λεγειG3004V-PAI-3S λέγω to lay forth αυτωG846P-DSM αὐτός he, she, it οG3588T-NSM ὁ the ιησουςG2424N-NSM Ἰησοῦς Jesus οτιG3754CONJ ὅτι that, because εωρακαςG3708V-RAI-2S-ATT ὁράω by extension μεG3165P-1AS μέ me [θωμαG2381N-VSM Θωμᾶς the twin] τσ πεπιστευκαςG4100V-RAI-2S πιστεύω to have faith μακαριοιG3107A-NPM μακάριος supremely blest οιG3588T-NPM ὁ the μηG3361PRT-N μή not ιδοντεςG1492V-2AAP-NPM οἶδα to see καιG2532CONJ καί and πιστευσαντεςG4100V-AAP-NPM πιστεύω to have faith
What do you think Thomas’ preaching was like after he participated
in bringing back this account to us? (…Remember Peter’s written preaching after
the transfiguration?)
Philip’s “insufficient” impressions,
quirks, and issues were not held against him, but he went on to be exalted to
be one of the 12 pillars of the heavenly Jerusalem forever!
Philip’s Quirks in the Bible are not about
how “uninspired” he was, but rather, that he was in the Bible in the first
place and was inspired through his quirks to help write it!
Philip’s Quirks in the Bible are not about
how bad he was, but how great he was, and how he, Thomas, and the other
disciples Discovered Jesus’ Divinity, and the whole world is now filled with
their glorious knowledge of Jesus’ Divine nature because of them. Through their
mistakes we see how they declared to us this Truth in the Bible!
We do not need to doubt and blaspheme them
for their “accidents” but rather we are commanded to believe them because of
how they were directly exalted into inspiration through them.
…1/8/23
Morality Matters!
The right conclusions about Communication Quirks come from reverently embracing the superiority of Moral Lordship, not the intuitive blasphemies of
hypocritical strong flesh.
Devilish Accusations Toward Quirks -- Avoid/Beware
·
Zec_3:1-2;
Rev_12:10 – the devil is always accusing the brothers
·
Be careful
not to be a devil (Joh_6:70), or a female devil (1Ti_3:11; Tit_2:3)
Pro_17:15 – Abominable Flip-Flop
Psa_94:21 – Opposing righteous/innocent
soul/blood
Isa_42:3 – Justice vs. Bruised Reed
Breaking (just as in Zec_3:1-2)
no bruised reed
breaking or wick/flax quenching, but faithful justice (MT) / true judgement
(LXX)
“a bruised reed
He will not break”
Mat_12 – Redemptive Mercy Does Not Condemn
the Innocent
Mat_12:5-8 LSV Or did you not read [ἀνέγνωτε
(see: v.7)] in the Law, that on the Sabbaths the priests in the temple profane the
Sabbath, and are blameless* [ἀναίτιοί]? 6 And I say to you that [One]
greater than the temple is here; 7 and if you had known [ἐγνώκειτε
(i.e. v.5)] what [this] is: Kindness I will, and not sacrifice—you had
not [maybe/possibly (ἂν)] condemned [κατεδικάσατε] the blameless* [ἀναιτίους], 8 for the Son of Man is Lord even of
the Sabbath.”
Mat_12:5 ἢ οὐκ
ἀνέγνωτε ἐν
τῷ νόμῳ ὅτι
τοῖς
σάββασιν οἱ
ἱερεῖς ἐν
τῷ ἱερῷ
τὸ σάββατον
βεβηλοῦσι,
καὶ ἀναίτιοί
εἰσι;
Mat_12:6 λέγω
δὲ ὑμῖν ὅτι
τοῦ ἱεροῦ |BAμειζον| TSμεῖζων
ἐστὶν ὧδε.
Mat_12:7 εἰ
δὲ ἐγνώκειτε
τί ἐστιν |Aελεος| TSBἔλεον
θέλω καὶ οὐ
θυσίαν, οὐκ ἂν
κατεδικάσατε
τοὺς ἀναιτίους.
Mat_12:8
κύριος γάρ
ἐστιν ὁ Υἱὸς
τοῦ ἀνθρώπου
καὶ τοῦ
σαββάτου.
Mat_12:8 κυριος
γαρ εστιν TSκαι
του σαββατου ο
υιος του ανθρωπου
[* Mat_12:5, Mat_12:7; Deu_19:10,
Deu_19:13; Deu_21:8-9]
·
Do THIS
instead of THAT -- now logic wins! (think: Sympathy vs. Criticism)
·
When someone
stumbles in their attempt to communicate the pressing and most urgent need is sympathy, not criticism!
·
Accredit good
to the victims of our failed human condition.
(as seen in Mat_12:7 above)
Never kick a creature when they are down since:
(1) Academic strength is evil to boast in, and,
(2) Criticizing someone in the strength of evil is Hypocrisy and more
guilt than the victim (like ‘judging a frail father in your strength’ in
Sirach)
(3) Whatever hypocritical judgements you commit against another you
condemn yourself of worse crimes
(4) We are all subject to weakness, and,
(5) If we don’t fail today we are sure to likely fail tomorrow, and,
(6) You need the same and more sympathy in your time of need than you
would ever give another in their time of trouble.
If someone has a communication quirk,
you're not allowed to "read into it" a negative, or worst
case/possible interpretation, but rather, wait for them and first give them a
chance to be pleasantly vindicated of your negative impression, and especially
excuse one whose previous reputation has been sufficiently established
otherwise.
·
Especially
beware when
it risks hypocrisy to accuse someone who is more innocent than you in the very
area that you're finding fault with them.
·
Priscilla story*: ‘you're judging him and you
don't know his heart’
·
am I judging a hypocrite without knowing that
hypocrite or is Priscilla hypocritically judging me without knowing me and
sinning against God and man by assuming non-inspiration?
·
Reminder:
Hypocrisy = Inconsistency = Breach in Logic (incl. righteous communication)
·
Intuitive
assumptions about someone else against their virtue is VERY
ILLOGICAL/immoral/illegal/unwise/dangerous/hazardous/dirty/sinful!
·
Accusing
before asking (when needed/required) = Illogical Inconsistent Hypocrisy
·
Whatever you
hypocritically accuse someone of, your hypocrisy is, by nature, much worse than
its accusation.
·
In the same
way also: when you judge another person’s communication quirks, you are in much
more serious danger of most likely being much more of a hypocrite than any of
the much smaller things you accuse them of in your heart.
* Priscilla Batista Brown I
guess with my other comment what I meant is that you can still communicate your
point to someone who you think isn't living right in a way that doesn't assume
you know them so well. I will think on this more and ask anything if i need
too. :)
·
Important
key: determine if someone was a victim of a Communication Quirk
or if they really did sin in the strength of their heart.
·
Measure real
virtues of real morality to get the real deal of reality.
·
The metric of
virtue always wins when determining who is right and wrong.
·
Remember: ask
someone permission before believing something negative against them -- and
become at peace with logical communication.
·
Don’t judge
hidden motives, especially all the more if someone has not objectively
exhibited literal sin in strength (by word or other deed) in the area of their
stumbling.
·
If an
expression is subject to interpretation, misunderstanding, failure, weakness,
accidents, and unintended results, don’t judge it and risk vanity, falsehood,
hypocrisy, and worse guilt.
·
Don’t risk
vain drama by criticizing something that is not even real in the first place.
·
If someone
has not really expressed what they intended, and how they intended it, then it
is not righteous or logically permitted to critique their mis-expression and
believe what you want to about them without their permission.
·
If you are
unsure about an apparent quirk, then try to excuse them in your heart, and
then, especially (even more) if you're still unresolved, ask for verification
that your merciful conceptualization is accurate.
·
Divine Quirks
teach us not to be fleshly and idolatrous with our illogical intuitive
assumptions of the satanic flesh.
·
There’s lot’s
of hope for us to increase the Word of God upon the earth if we concur all
despising and assuming non-inspiration.
If…
·
Not
contradicting knowledge / preceding knowledge
·
They aren’t
ignoring the Bible
·
If they’re
eager/willing to change
·
Not sinning
in the strength of their heart
·
Part of a
valid human experience
…Then fear to criticize them -- it might be a valid part of the human
experience, and they might even be inspired.
1/24/23
Gauge people based on how they end
Jesus was raised from a starting point that did not have knowledge
wouldn't you be a complete loser to think that Jesus did not have
wisdom as a baby even though he was wisdom itself incarnate?
this is the exact same state we are all in whenever going through various
processes of acquiring knowledge - remembering the basics of reality, that
knowledge is not wisdom and lack of knowledge is not lack of wisdom, but
instead rather, the seed of wisdom is the fear of God which manages knowledge
as it comes and grows and blossoms into its full strength as it finds
opportunity to acquire knowledge and manage it masterfully and skillfully in
all prestigious morality and inspired excellence.
and that's why we need to treat each other like anointed one and not
assume non-inspiration when knowledge is not there
-- Under
Construction --
>> more
soundness and completion needed:
Ay’s Concerns
1/8/23
Questions AySun_5:52pm(edited) -- with overseer’s comments inserted
It doesn't sound to me like person's B need
is being organized but more so ability to first acknowledge alignment or
disalignment with A before bringing up another point.
>> but
expressing that requires organization to express
I dont get why person A seems ro need to
pamper person's Bs ego for saying something good even if they werent focused on
the topic at hand.
>> Remember
that we are talking about what OUR group is dealing with (not just any generic
audience with larger varieties of issues)
>>
Glorifying God is not pampering another person’s ego -- otherwise you risk
assuming non-inspiration / illogic
>> Despising
others risks hypocrisy -- where you are worse than the false accusation/slander
you invent in your heart
>> “the
topic at hand” -- if they are changing it then that means changing the subject
vs. making a different point
To me it sounds like Person B is the ine who
initiates confusion and the responsibility is in their court or else A now
needs to manage what the initial point was as well as everything in the
dissertation.
>> Those who
initiate a discussion are not Lords of what is required to fix it
>> Whoever
has virtue has the solution to the biggest need for what to focus on
>> Focusing
on multiple points at the same time is not ideal, but it is usually the nature of
being human and needing to resolve a complex discussion
Sounds like less ego is also person B wanting
to understand and resolve the initial point before now saying what they think
is valuable and now expecting a pat on the back for saying good things but also
disjointing the conversation.
>> Person B
can often bring up prerequisites needed before fully addressing A’s original
point
>> The
suspicion of “expecting a pat on the back” is assuming non-inspiration -- esp.
if applied among us (righteous people only want Truth to be glorified)
>> B is only
“disjointing the conversation” if they are changing the subject
>> Resolving
the initial point is ideal, but not Biblically required
>> Phineas
was more righteous than all of our understanding and God glorified him forever
and we should too -- without assuming non-inspiration and suspecting unlawful
ego centralism & selfish ambitions of congratulations on his behalf
How is person A being egotistic to expect
response to address what is being said. Isnt that fundamental aspect to
effective communication
>> changing
the subject or introducing prerequisites?
AySun 6:00pm
Wasn't able to find space to mention during
the call, but I think this example is important and would like to us to
continue it.
…
Wife’s Responce
AlSun_6:23pm
"pamper person's Bs
ego"
"Person B is the one
who initiates confusion "
"and now expecting a
pat on the back"
"for...disjointing the
conversation."
Doesn't sound like it will
be healthy for any of us to process things in that way...
I'm thinking through the
various types of discussions that have happened among us in the past...Maybe
one of the next things we can do (that might be helpful for us) is to define
the primary situation/context in question by using specific examples that have
actually happened among us, and then to set some parameters from that
Ay Continues
AySun_6:31pm(edited)
I guess while the example is
still fresh:
I was wondering For the dont
judge A, B example where A was talking about not judging.
Instead of B saying
"the Bible tells us how to judge" wouldn't it be better if B first
said, " yes, we're not supposed to judge [in this context]. And/but the
Bible also tells us how to judge if we're going to judge."
But if person B just goes
into "the Bible tells us how to judge" or they just start a
dissertation about how to judge, then why would it be and issue for person A to
say you didn't understand me if the aspect they're coming from is not judging
and now person A would now be you responsible for saying, "yes you made a
good point about when it is okay to judge but what I was referring to me was
when it's not okay to judge." I guess I don't understand why person A
would be egotistic for expecting person B to respond based on what was said. I
thought that was just how communication works. If person A becomes responsible
for being the one that says "you make good points and I'm going to think
about it" then that makes sense they should do that but to me it sounds
like issue started by person who not aligning with what person is said but
going off on another point even if it is relevant and perhaps it is more
valuable.
But I guess what good is it
if it's not effective because now it just confusing and possibly a cycle but
now person A is responsible for breaking it and if they get frustrated from
perpetually feeling misunderstood I feel like there's a lot of blame and in
reality the issue started with B's response.
>>>
As for the emotionally
charged part how is it not assuming that the person who is now frustrated from
being misunderstood now is just writing off what somebody else said because
they're being emotional.
If person B feels like or is
wondering if person A is just writing off what B said because person A sounds
emotional charged/frustrated then wouldn't person B assuming possible malicious
intent of person A for being evil by not acknowledging truth just because
they're frustrated?
I guess I don't understand
why person Awould be categorizes egotistic and need to take responsibility for
making person B not feel like person A is being malicious.
And I think I understand
what our Mom was saying that person A isnot expected to be smart and connect
all the dots from Bs response. So I feel like B can at least acknowledge what
the point of the conversation initially started as before directing it to
something else even if that's something else is greater and more valuable.
I don't understand why if A
is egotistical for desiring making sure that "first things are first"
so to speak and keeping focused. What if Person A doesn't need the whole
conversation to be about their point if their point really isn't valid but if
it hasnt been clear that the initial point of the conversation isn't valid, but
other things are being said then, yeah person A is trying to remain focus and
not end up going off on what seems to them like other topics because it hasn't
been established that everyone is talking about the same topic and that B didnt
go out of context.
AySun_6:33pm(edited)
@Al sounds good. Yeah
talking about a specific example makes sense since we may have different
examples in our head while trying to work out through the principles.
I'm just stating my concerns
and wondering based off of the generic discussion.
haSun_6:37pm --
RE: Al said
I was actually going to mention,
is using the word egocentric appropriate for the talk at hand for either person
A or person B? I think somewhere I appreciate what our mom mentioned in
general, but also the use of the term egocentric towards person A is very hard
to process and doesn't make you feel like person A is being represented well. I
like the concept of working together to value each other, with person A and
person B bending over backwards as a team to help each other be understood. It
can feel like both person A and person B have things to work on in order to
promote teamwork, and its not all morally person As fault and all person B
needs to do is work on being more organized. Putting moral blame on person A is
very hard to understand in the context of a conversation where we are seeking
to value each other by understanding each other.
haSun_6:51pm(edited)
And as mentioned, I really
dont like the idea of isolating this situation to teacher and student convos. I
feel like I have been in person B spot plenty of times and as mentioned I feel
grateful that if I say something that doesnt address what person A is saying,
that person A tells me so. If person A mentioned that I wouldnt think person A
was being egocentric, so it is very hard for me to fully understand how they
are being so.
---------------
General Answers
~1/13/23
>> Scrip:
as those
watching over your souls... that would not be profitable
love the soft
hearted heart purifying righteousness of the Logic and Wisdom of God
repent of
assuming non-inspiration by converting to a posture of
welcoming/anticipating/expecting / believing in inspiration
do work on your
end to prepare yourself to bring a more excellent righteous ground for better
seed to grow in you
….
1/8/23; 1/14/23
>>Scrip:
Joh_4:
Warning: I request and exhort that you
carefully believe my testimony for now until we all understand each other:
At least in many ways we are lacking full
understanding because we are struggling with very kinder garden principles as
basic children…
I speek as one who councils on many deep
matters: those asking for more strategy from person B have sometimes greatly
needed strategy in communication.
When I’m talking with less ego centric
generations, “person A needs to change”, when I’m speaking to younger
generations “person B needs to change…”
>>Scrip:
In understanding be men
Wise people don’t trip because others
misunderstand them
Don’t Insist on Requiring more organization
in B’s communication than the Bible exemplifies in its conversations
The Bible says a lot of divine truth ad
exemplifies lot of conversations without making everything contextualized and
easily understood.
By doing this the Bible teaches us different
and more important ways to grow and accomplish successful communication.
To be sure and clear: the logic of God is the
best remedy for communication -- teacher-oriented communication is NOT always
the most logical way to tackle morally complex discussions.
Examples of Complex Discussions
~1/8/23
the entire Bible
speaks in a very brief complex condensed way and is in constant need of a lot
of explanation, all of which is the responsibility of the listener or reader to
apply logic and hear logic through immeasurable complications
Job - the entire
book
one of the most
basic concepts for the basis of the book of Job is authenticating The human
experience of that form of complex multifaceted communication with simultaneous
contributions all needed to be tested in a non-sequential way, while generally
disapproving of their wrong statements within the valid process of them
communicating them.
if that form
were radically illogical and unacceptable or non-ideal, they wouldn't have made
it to first base so as to somewhat glorify the entire experience of their conversation
by taking up so many chapters in the Bible.
the arguments in
job could be quite complex and potentially challenging to follow, yet job does
not find any trouble in such communication, or in continually engaging their
contributions, but only the invalidness within what they're trying to say.
Ecclesiastes is
primarily a simultaneous consideration of many factors almost none of which get
resolved or finished until the very end of the book.
Jacob and his
sons as Shechem
when
Jesus'authority is questioned - like many other times when Jesus indirectly
responded to what people said
the complex
Epistles are almost 100% simultaneous complex considerations.
Revelation is
extremely logical like many of the other prophets is extremely simultaneous
with this type
of communication you have to pay closer attention to what's actually being said
whenever they don't hold your hand in an explicitly teacher-oriented
communication.
Inspiration Reminders
1/8/23
...
'a gentle tongue'
and 'a still small voice' is all that is needed to 'break a bone' and 'chop
through rock' - therefore we are forbidden to demand or insist on or even seek
or idealize an impressive show of speech before we are persuaded by the perfect
virtue of what is said
...
such mechanisms
of assumed non inspiration, if actually applied in and to our historical
context, are unloving, unrighteous, untrue, bitter, full of darkness,
illogical, irrational, unfair, dirty, untrue, dangerous, hazardous...
as I said, I'm
not so sure whether or not these statements were literally applied to us
historically or not, and one way or the other, I don't think that our dangers
of assuming non inspiration, are intentional, but by all means whatever the
case with all of these factors, we definitely need to take these principles and
ideas seriously and repent and change and return to our first Faith and do the
first works of real Love
...
let us do more
work on our own so that we won't have so much work to do when we come together...!
...
wheat and chaf
You have both
the privilege and the fearful liability of seeing various ones of us on a more
frequent basis than the outside world, and from this responsibility You are
required to be found faithful without an ounce of despising fully safe and
trustable and fully responsible to have a level head and a rational analysis,
to acknowledge the reality of what you have actually experienced and seen and
limitations of what you don't understand...
...
take these kind
friendly reminders for however they may apply.
'if the shoe
fits, then wear it', and if it doesn't, then there is no harm done in
refreshing our purpose statements.
>> Scrip:
for me it is not
burdensome to remind you of these things but for you it is safe
because his commands
are not burdensome, BTW.
My dear people,
please remember and take it to heart that I'm addressing these things to help
you for your safety and benefit, otherwise if I were seeking my own cause I
would not labor in these complications. - it is much easier for me to be
passive and to let these things pass by at the risk of your misunderstanding,
but that is definitely not healthy or safe for you to misunderstand and to miss
out on learning something important and vital that could change and upgrade you...
and eventually identify the very thing (s) you need the most to complete your
redemption from this hateful life...
>> Scrip:
I wish all God's
people were prophets
remember that
any of us can raise up and give a prophecy
at any point any
of us can speak boldly when becoming arrested by the mightyness of Scriptures
or simply the blessed voice from heaven that wrote them
even our
youngest can declare mighty authoritative Truth for all of us to believe and
obey.
much like the synagogues
in the Bible and very unlike the churches today, we are very eager for anyone
to come bring a word of exhortation or an authoritative proclamation of Truth -
you just better be able to back up what you say or you'll get stoned, or in
this case, for the New covenant, you'll get excommunicated and thrown into hell
(if you're persisting in overconfidence and not submitting to the authority of
the Scriptures to judge yourself soberly and quarantine all your
disarrangements as much as possible, etc.)
go right ahead
and be bold, and declare Truth with the clean and good conscience.
go ahead and set
the record straight with a straight heart that cannot lie.
draw off of the
depth of truth and serious knowledge and perfect peace with wisdom to set the wobbly
feet of children on firm ground and teach them to walk.
after all, we do
not have any need to hesitate as though there is really any unclarity in this
matter after the Scriptures have already so clearly, righteously, and
convictingly declared to us:
>> Scrip:
what is the
wheat from the chaff
but whether you
are bold or whether you are hesitant, at least do this: choose rightly whether
you will insistently instruct others with real knowledge or whether you should
rather refuse to defend your experience and instead beg and ask for help from
others to change, but don't ride the fence and don't insist on something that
is weak and beggarly and inferior from this world when we have an opportunity
to change and embrace good announcement.
Don't be double-soul-ed
and inconsistent 'halting on two feet' saying you want discipleship and yet not
changing in the very areas you so desperately need to imitate others, and learn
something new and different to change from the condemned blindness of your
flesh. Decide what you want first, and stick with it faithfully (if it is
indeed true), firm to the end, with a clean conscience, and a righteous virtue
that knows Truth in prayer, and be consistent with your first faith, lest you
fall to pride and hypocrisy.
as only one
example among us which could also include other examples from others as well...
as I've said
before to Ay, I say again:
'if you don't
let me help you change in the way that you communicate then I cannot disciple
you'
I'm not willing to
suggest that this statement is comprehensive, even though I said it at the risk
of being misunderstood in an over simplified way, as though i thought that our
issues are simply as simplistic as this, yet there is a sense in which this is
True, and it is still accurate and needful, in many ways it is one of the most
important senses for us to consider...
nevertheless, I
do still say this again, and I don't say it with the slightest bit of pride or
overconfidence or stepping beyond the boundaries of what has been bound unto me
to speak and to do. I will go to judgment having said this having preferred
others before myself with a clean conscience and a pattern which you can
imitate to find favorable connection to the Truth in prayer.
if I were
selfish I would not risk my serenity in this way, nor would I add the
complication of delving into difficult things risking a simple environment in
order to push for greater benefit in other's behalf.
>> Scrip:
that they may do
it with joy because if it is with constraint that would not be profitable for
you
I hope you can
at least trust me in this, and then with that clean and loving basis we can
move forward to communicate and work through all of the other details and
complications.
and if indeed
you will so please me and heaven by speaking boldness in a good conscience,
that does not mean that you need to thunder with your voice, and we must not
constrain any of us to yell or amplify ourselves before we are believed, it
just means A bold speaker among us must be monotheistically and logically
agreeing with the Truth and your passion and zeal are based off of the
heart-purifying righteousness of submitting to a Truth outside of your own
nature, and are consistently speaking in the best interest of objective Truth
because you are constrained outside of your own body and you are without
self-interest, and you have abstained in innocence from advertising the praise
of your own soul.
did Moses 'take
too much on himself' in the wilderness by constantly affirming monotheistic
arrangements and righteous rules against the wild disarrangements and perils of
The flesh?
and when
applying this to us, obviously anyone can fill the shoes of Moses or Elijah or
the other prophets or Matriarchs of Bible. Just because certain associations
have been repeated that doesn't mean our glories cannot overlap with various
figures in the Bible.
furthermore,
remember forever and never forget that the standards of selflessness are
measured without hypocrisy by viewing the way person ends, not the way they
begin.
because it is by
this standard of faith that the elders gained a good testimony: it was not as
though Moses never feared or Sarah never laughed or Abraham never had a
question, but these all ended in faith and in such a way going towards a good
testimony in the hall of faith, just as we are required to do so as a biblical
canonical standard of real Truth required toward each other.
our selflessness
and testimony is not measured in transit along the way, in the meantime while
moving from one place to the other, momentarily needing understanding, - be
warned and always remember that the flesh Is Bent toward satanic accusations,
and you can very easily recognize predictable patternized crimes of exploiting
momentary considerations, and processes of learning, and initial pains before
they are led into faith, So as to take a momentary and misleading
misrepresentative snapshot at just the wrong time of the righteous, with just
the wrong lighting, to supposedly capture an unflattering image that lies more
than it represents the Truth... when a dark shadow imposes itself on the
weakness of a righteous person's flesh, it is not the person's expression that
you see at first, but rather it is the unpleasant strain and negative feeling
of that evil principle superimposed against them which might easily distort
their countenance temporarily, and that is not a representative memory of who
they really are but of their opposition which bitterly resists them, but
instead you ought to take a picture of them and see it in your memory after
they have cast all untruth to the ground with mightiness and loving virtue and
then you will have a picture of Truth in your mind and not a satanic accusation
of hypocrisy that forms doubly worse hypocrisy in the one who accuses of it.
A premature
Snapchat represents a person's trial, but where a person ends represents their
choice, Walk, and lifestyle.
We should always
guard ourselves and others to not exploit a snapshot prematurely taken out of context
in such a way to fragment a misrepresented event that encourages
misunderstanding, and deception as a result, and fuels satanic accusations.
misrepresentations
and deceptions are the devil's tools and his native language as being the
author of confusion and father of lies.
We dare not so
willingly cooperate with such overt and predictable tools as these, lest we
risk having the devil's fingerprint on us...
tank careful and
deep note that the flesh always wages war against recognizing a difference
between momentary problems and continuing to sin...
and indeed, you
will never know the difference between 'the wheat and the chaff' and you will
always despise and assume not inspiration unless you permanently and
qualitatively decide and commit in your heart to set aside momentary events and
admire with reverence the continual glow and glory of the posture, Walk,
lifestyle, and continual tence of obeying...
never assume
non-inspiration when someone has left their flesh and persistently,
insistently, and carefully declared from something outside of themselves, no
matter whether or not they themselves are comfortable with that standard.
Illogical
disarrangements and wild lustful selfish flesh assumed non-inspiration in the
wilderness and perished, blasphemously concluding without any rational
monotheistic basis that Moses was being selfish, just as it was blasphemed
against even Elijah, Jeremiah, even
Balaam, and so many other prophets...
don't be in any
danger of even slightly tolerating hints of assuming non-inspiration, but
instead prove monotheistic virtual laws by which we can all hear and believe
and live without being spiritually disconnected from the Truth.
the blessedness
of having departed from the flesh and having come into and under the rules of
demanded righteousness outside of one's own heart and mind and default and
culture and upbringing will be our Canon and cleanness and righteousness for a
fresh new covenant of believing the truth and being soft-hearted in clean
righteousness. this will be our safe and clean soft-hearted standard that keeps
us in good standing with heaven and connects us to Truth when praying.
that is my
prayer for us: that we would be connected to the Truth when we pray, and that
we would care and notice when departures affect our closeness with heaven. and
that we would not have personally destructive doctrines to inherently go the
wrong direction which is not in our best interest.
this is to our
glory and best interest that we would increase in choosing to do the right work
on our own, and starting in the right place, having connected to Superior
virtues and serious and weighty knowledge from above, and come together with
greater profit and rejoicing, having already found the same principles and
values in prayer, and started working on the same foundational Truth which we
will find more completed in each other as we come together and collabor
together under the obedience of wisdom.
I pray that our
faith would not fail and that we would endure thoroughly without changing our
gospel and remember these rules and escape those perishing in the wilderness,
and glorify all objective monotheism...
furthermore,
there is also this happy possibility that one may raise up with Truth and another
may also raise up with additional Truth - and we 'can all prophesy' (more or
less, in one way or the other) and we can all be edified and built up and come
together to be each other's heroes.
my
considerations and the value I bring to the table and the message of Hope I
demand from us are not so impenetrable that no one else might get a word in
edgewise, but as much as it is right to have a love obsession wisdom, we must
all glorify right things together in unison in perfect agreement in order to become
a symphony from heaven saving all of ourselves and those beholding us.
if multiple
considerations are correct, cleanly true, and very needed, then we will rejoice
each other in boldly declaring Truth about different aspects, as long as we are
careful and reverent, maintaining integrity, not assuming non-inspiration...
...
negative pre-suppositions
it requires
negative pre-suppositions, that is assuming non-inspiration, to frame or
refraim the AB conversation s in that light.
whether these
negative pre-suppositions are purely theoretical or if they are also in
practice specifically in application toward our historical events, these
negative assumptions are illustrations of the very principle mechanisms of
assuming non-inspiration that we need to repent of.
...
there are
different structures and logical mechanisms for communication in the Bible, and
we are better off preferring those and identifying those and using those and
placing weight and responsibility based on those structures rather than our own
culture that struggles so much with communication.
We do not
correct ourselves into all perfection and agreement by drawing off of the
solutions that the world and human experience has to offer for its own
problems.
Divine cannons
tell us how we ought to change unto a Superior perfection by virtuous values
contradictory to all of the supposed and strength of this life which is
failing.
AB Clash
...
Clarification: I
wasn't so much trying to say that person A was being directly egocentric, but rather
that the culture that taught younger generations to communicate is increasingly
egocentric. The main potential risk of possibly being egocentric is to defend
that type of cultural thinking (so we need to be aware and have a certain
amount of caution when relearning how to communicate better).
When some among
us has been in a person B posture, I have sought to validate their contribution
even if they didn't understand my main point or someone else's main point (in a
person A posture). When some of us have been in a person A posture we have
often exhibited excessive struggle to understand the value of person B's
contribution.
not making
progress and learning to change and defending the culture that taught you to
not recognize what someone else is saying.
younger
generations are being taught by an increasingly egocentric culture, and that
can have its consequences on communication.
…
AB
I'm not saying
that person A is being egocentric, but I'm alerting you that egocentric
cultures uniquely and particularly fail at training such people to recognize
biblical forms of logical communication.
....
AB example
includes and excludes me personally.
I have been in
both A and B situations.
I have wondered
what B was getting at and how it applied to what I was saying, and I have also
been appreciative when they have made a better point than myself, and I've been
in a B posture where I appreciated A helping me get on back on track (like the
blessed H mentioned). and I've been in many situations where I have just wished
we were stronger at helping each other move forward in our communication
progress...
I have needed help understanding A and I have
needed help understanding B. I have been in weakness and I have also been made
strong in it.
I have been
involved in many fights and watched arguments all my life, and have been saved
out of it all by a different gospel totally out of this world that completely
contradicts all such foolishness perversion and disarrangements.
I am gripped in
a love obsession with mighty wisdom which promises and demands a superior
perfect agreement by following her rules and submitting to her judgments and
glorifying her decisions and values.
sometimes I have
been involved in this type of AB conversation, and other times I have sat back
and watched others struggle in this type of dynamic way - and the main need /
concern among us is to learn to listen better...
and having come
this far and having gotten this specific, I would not have done so if I were
not requested to get more specific with examples, and if I give examples it is
even more required of those who listen to see my examples as objective and not
self-serving or biased, because this is healthier and safer for you, rather
than to lose what I'm saying by being prematurely caught up in examples where
objectivity still needs to be communicated, understood, and established.
whether each
speaker is strong or weak in their points, our greatest improvement and need is
to listen better to move forward in our AB communications.
whether I happen
to be entrenched in an AB conversation or I'm observing others entrenched in an
AB dynamic, whoever has the most virtue always wins: whether that be a
particular display of humility, or any other virtue, including raw Biblical
Truth.
it is ideal to
be careful and sequential, and to finish discussing the first point before
moving one to other points, and for a person B to be explicit in their
transitions & cross references, but it is by no means biblically mandated
or exemplified, and is therefore not an inherent disarrangement, as long as
their flow of communication is logical in one way or in another and carries an
order to their communication and (particularly and especially) a rightness to
what they're actually literally saying... -- irregardless of quirks,
misunderstandings, confusions, different perspectives, and such...
it is an
inherent disarrangement to keep lacking listening, and it is biblically
mandated, and exemplified to learn to listen to each other and recognize
logical patterns in other people's dynamic communications and be courageous and
heroic enough to solve the puzzle, by becoming mighty in communication from
being sufficiently trained.
listening better
and seeking to see how it applies and prove another person's point as much as
you have opportunity is almost always the biggest crying need for our
successful understanding and resulting communication success.
it is ideal
whenever possible to focus on one point at a time and align and reach thorough
conclusions before moving on to the next point, but that is not always the most
logical way to resolve complex discussions.
discussing
multiple factors at once becomes required when there are prerequisites and
interdependencies and sometimes even superiorities to consider when
considerations become inherently complex and moral factors become dynamic...
holding a lot of
complex information in your head at once and dynamically interchanging between
multiple complex thoughts is the way the Creator formed the universe and wrote
the Scriptures and exemplified numerous complicated exchanges between His
heroes
B might have a
superior point that takes precedence, or person B might be struggling to
understand person A and needs another question answered first before
understanding can follow
there are
biblical and logical cues for identifying and following this type of
cooperative ping pong communication.
increasingly
egocentric cultures have not taught each newer generation the communication
skills and values to successfully collaborate in ping pong communication.
Lest we speak into the air.
Many other dates from months before; 9/2/15; 8/21/16
>> Comp: Hearing Comprehension -- in ROW!
>>Scrip:
No as with uncertainty beating the air
Whatever you do, do it with all your soul /
might
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See: discouraged quiet talking -- Pop: LoveP
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4/04/16-4/5/16
Speak like a sports broadcaster…
If you think that that is too artificial and
fake, just think how much worse it is for you to give over unfaithful quietness
to ears that were supposed to hear you
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11/14/15
It is a bad testimony if we are unfaithful in communication, and
disfuctional to the degree that (garbage was left outside of rusty...)
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1/13/16; 1/17/16
…
Do not make a simple thing complicated.
When someone is struggling to make one point clear, and puts things in a
simplistic format in order to accomplish understanding, it is wrong to add
other complicated factors to that that are not serving the goal of the one who
needs to clarify one point.
It is morally wrong to serve your own self-seeking purposes when someone
else should be served in communication.
...
The communication habits of some of the disciples among us are still
under probation.
We should not outsource responsibility, or pretend like this is not the
case.
Self discipline is for grown ups, and regular old discipline is for
children.
If you do not endure either discipline than your acting as totally
illegitimate children.
The blessing of protection comes upon your soul when you're under
submission.
I will not be responsible on judgement day for anyone's actions that are
not under my authority.
12/5/15
Almost all behavioral communication problems are due to not being
faithful/wise/perceptive/caring/just in listening.
General Exceptions:
·
Dialect
·
Other
physical limitations
But Sometimes even Dialect challenges are increased by
carelessness/complacency/selfish ego-centricism.
Warning: falling asleep after someone has listened to you might be a
symptom of loving to speak but not righteously loving to hear.
the frequent Misunderstandings among us can be avoided by correcting
justice issues.
Misrepresenting those among us is a faithfulness/justice issue.
Think and listen, and obey this greatly before speaking.
Not being able to accurately rehearse what what said is an
unlove toward listening.
>>Scrip: be careful how you hear!
The point: We should love hearing the point of speakers rather than
hearing ourselves feel sucessful in expressing our own
thoughts/passions/lusts/interests.
Be zealous to stop in the middle of your tracks and repent and stop
doing communication sins right where they occur, and then also wherever they
start.
All in One conversation:
(1)Sweet potato -- calling both potato & Sweet potato “potatos”
>> had to wrestle to find out what was even being said
(2) Peanut butter
>> calling the oils “natural” when they are not “naturally
occurring” --
>> if there is a sense in which something can be understood how
it is being said, it is right to prefer that rather than defaulting to a way in
which it is not so…
(3) Android Speaker
>> understand “speaker” in the sense that the other person is
using it
>> don’t add “speaker Phone” so that it does not work the
way they are describing
Life and communication and love does not default to being oriented
toward contradiction.
Diplomacy to other people’s lives means that you are consumed with
breaching the gap, not widening it.
Love and logic has a righteous answer to call us to change.
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Don’t do quiet throat talking
>> stop it, and help all of us stop it
Your not a man, but you still have to talk loud and prize communication
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11/1/15
Favor works.
If something does not work, don’t keep doing it.
We want the excellency of Solomon’s servants, not a reputation of being
irresponcible.
Don’t be intentionally disfunctional
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Be compassionate
Answer quick and loud
Don’t ever leave people hanging
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Honor is making the rough paths smooth
It is right to love others by preparing things to work smoothly…
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Why/how to speak distinctly and enunciate --
is there a universal way to speak with more enunciation and much less sing-songy tone.
---------------
Words are NOT feelings expressed by tones they are laws and realities
of action.
If I say 'don't put dirt in the walkway and you do, that deserves a
spanking. You should have the integrity to listen more than you vaugly feel and
interpret and assume. We are no longer pagans here, we are monotheists. You
have not right to mumble your words or to just casually 'feel' what people
sound like rather than listeninng to the actual words that are being used. This
is why is can be better to talk monotone when there is an epidemic of
communication disfunctionality. We need to be rational and true, and respect
communication more than the untruth of how we are feeling.
·
Natural
different dialects thrown together because of truth -- part of redeeming all
nations
·
Bad
Behavioral habits -- complacent toward projection / familiar quietness
·
Demonic
interferience
Don’t “tone” while speaking, project
Don’t abbreviate your words in speaking fast, because that omits the
sounds others are often depending on to interpret your dialect
·
Stop "familiar quiet talking"
·
don't speak from your mouth, but from yur
diaphram
·
We want to have an answer for Mir (&
the nations), not be embarased for disfunctional habits
·
Sometimes I find myself slacking in
projection
·
Sometimes I say it loud and clear and I
already know I am going to have to say it again for no perceivable reason...
·
Talk more
like a news broadcaster -- if it doesn't work for speech recognition, it might
not work for us
> it is OK to speak loud!
> raising voice dos not equal being mad/non-gentle-ness
> don't make tones over words... We want words to work in communication,
even if we have to talk in mono tone to be heard.
why do people of the same dilect say "what" when they are
speaking right in front of each other??
>> happened more than 5 times in the span of a few mins (wasn't
trying to keep track)
>> we CANNOT keep doing the same thing when this happens
>> this is reason for concern, and reason for action... can't
tolorate living in a way that plans to not be heard
>> example: we cannot live disfunctionally in the name of being
gentle... this is not truth
12/21/15
Unfaithful cat fears
Prepare words
12/21/15
If you are in a righteous posture ahead of time, you do not have fears
of talking to authorities.
When you have been in the wrong poture about your concern, the “cat”
part of your heart kicks in, and you have a secret despising of authority that
calls God a “hard man” and is hopeless toward warming up toward faithful and
righteous authority.
By the way:
They were afraid to ask him… but John asked Him…
Project - don't get loud from your throat, brieth in deep to push your
voice further.
--
We need to stop when we pause between one person and another, as much
as possible.
-
for some reason we think that even though they are talking to me, I
don't necisarily need to put the same effort into listening.
If I threw a ball at you, it should take more affort to catch than to
throw. How much more with spiritual things. But we leave teachers extending
their soul while we file our nails, and walk off.
How is it that we know to keep our glass under the dispensor untill our
drink is poured, lest valuable juice is wasted by being poured on the floor,
but we don't know how to stop withdrawling our ear from hearing the Law (see
Pro???).
- the more valuable the food or drink and the finer it tasts, the lest
we can afford to waist it. How valuable is spiritual truth
How much more serious is it to take hold of spiritual things than to
catch a ball, and how much more precious is spiritual drink than physical?
- don't let spiritual drink pour all over the ground and treat it like
it is worthless.
- No person should ever have to tell you this, since we all ready know
how to catch balls and recieve drink in our cups, and it pertains to the
hearers to value what they hear, not to the speaker to promote himself.
-
Do unavoidable timeconsumers up front; Don't wait till you have 10 min
left to start getting ready!
do things ahead of time (b-room)
put personal convienence way behind corporate effeciency
Why don't you rather suffer yourselves to be defruded?
- Get used to prefering that other people make you wait, than you make
them wait
- take tasks with you to make use of waiting time
- Do not be addicted to making people wait for you, and fearing waiting
on them.
aspire to project that you will be places after a certain time and when
you need to be somewhere at a certain time, aspire to consistently be there
ahead of time
means you got to hate being addicted to accomplishing things
means you got to be willing to be ‘used’ and inconvenienced all the
time on a consistent basis
How to do Bible study
-
Get all of your personal needs done before we go corporate
-
it amazes me of how we can have hours of free time ahead of time, and then as
soon as we go corporate someone needs to go to the bathroom. - this is family
unsycrynisation... Some times we need to punish ourselves first with pain for
disorder compulsions before we will remember to do things during the hurs of
order
-
ask before leaving
-
maybe we need to have pre reminders (help me do this with each other: do
bathroom break now! don't wait until we start)
-
think of your thoughts before we say the title of the next direction. Avoid
this whenever possible: Don't be quiet until the second I say "point
B" and then sudenly get another thought. This can be disrespectful.
-
don't disrespect the reving of a person's being in comunication with unecesary
interruption. If someone is reving for your benefit, consider it and don't
lightly kill it, since it is right and
good for you to share the sentiments for what is being done for you to benefit
you.
-
no backround noise
-
language is oneof the most cursed things: the fall + Babble (recieved a double
curse)
-
don't be fidgety, gittery and quick (impatient forigners who move to quick to
understand or comunicate)
-
we are all from 'other countries'
-
we must be patient overcomming the language barrior
-
NT has to do with this (tongues, patient to all, forgive)
-
backround noise
Answering
questions that people interrupt you with, in the ear to whom it does not belong
Praying
too quietly does not establish agreement
don't
ecept or accomodate or promote random distractions
other
phone calls that can wait
never
do personal side talk
Don't
let things becom valid distractions to you, as much as possible
It
is hard enough to do comunication. Don't make it harder by going along with the
things that make it near imposible.
motioned with hand -unsaved jews had
better understanding than we often do -
answer a matter before hear it
do not inter. a man in his
speech
--
Through
fidget y ness and fear, it is all to easy to become so quickly discouraged and
rashly give up on language and communication when we see the smallest
friction
why
forgin women are bad at it
but
communication is logos, and this is biblical , and we must love it and hate the
cheap and fearful way out.
communication
means i believe in the possible unity of jesus enough to endure and
Music
physical—
- some people are born more (visually) attractive than others (and the
Bible mentions this)
- sometimes this indicates in the physical, some particular spiritual
thing (David, Ab’s wife) and other times the lack there of communicates God’s
subjection or humiliation of a person
(as Jesus)
- some people are born with more “fun” and enjoyable chemical makes ups
and physiology than others (i.e. “extraverts”).
- some people are born with a voice that is just naturally sweeter than
others (does this get abused? How about looks? Is that ever perverted?)
- some groups that get together naturally click better with singing
than others (such as famous bands), and what does this mean in reality?
- Whether visually attractive or not, or else emotionally fun, or even
having a beautiful voice or not, our Job is to please God with faith that
despises this world:
- if we are subjected, it is for the sake of demanding the real faith
in greater things (Paul & Silas); if we are exalted, it is for great
thankfulness in God’s glorious display of Goodness that we not pervert His gift
(Psalms)
play skillfully
tune together rather than all leading at once
goal : do what we can to help, while absolutely refusing to ever allow
the despising of doubt
trust is needed
this is not a game or a ceremony, but
a per suit of intimacy, corporate faith, and fervency
--
spiritual—
honor the bride with non distraction
often, when you need things you ought not to need, you will end up
having to hurt others to get it
do you ever feel like you have been cornered and put into a hard
situation where you could not seem to avoid hurting someone in order to get
done what you thought you needed to get done?
check your heart and repent of your own supposed needs and you will
suddenly be free to love people freely, and you will be able to look back and
now realise clearly that what you seemed to need is now emba r e s s s ingly
selfish
you’ll despise others when you are given to vainly love your own style
and you will think and value your own fleshly preferences as core needs for
relating to God, when you dont count then as vanity.
God does not need your style, and neither do you
kick the crutch out from under you so that you may sing with out the
leaven of the flesh tainting against truth in others, since there are often
disguised under different headings things that are actually proclaiming truth
to you.
corporate singing is not the same as individual singing
the difference is you and God vs
the assembly and God
the corporate assembly takes priority over individualism and personal
expression
dont you have houses to meet your own personal needs in ?
so dont despise the corporate assembly for the sake of your personal
needs
if you are really that spiritual, then meet your personal needs at home
by yourself, and dont get energized by pathetic need of expressing yourself
before others so that you can believe your personal practices yourself
if we cannot pray together in agreement then there is no sense in praying out load before each other just to be
seen by men that obviously do not agree with you
the corporate has the good need, or even challenge, of learning to
follow. this is honorable to give heed to there things
if you count style as vanity, then you can gladly listen more than you
project, and learn the truth that requires the non despising adjustments to
learning truth apart from your
conventional familiar style
learn a new song, or learn a song in a different style—both of these
are good and needed
only sing honestly
always be very slow to declare your own salvation
change words if necessary to be safe, honest, and true
revere God. revear the assembling of souls which are apro ch ing God
value others and the protection
of their sensitive souls more than they do themselves so that they are not
invited to turn away and hide their souls

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Sir_32:3-12
3 Being older, you may talk; that is
only
your right,
but temper your
wisdom, not to disturb
the singing.
Sir_35:3
Speak, thou that art the
elder, for it becometh thee, but with sound judgment; and hinder not musick.
Sir_35:3 εὐδοκία
κυρίου ἀποστῆναι
ἀπὸ πονηρίας,
καὶ ἐξιλασμὸς ἀποστῆναι
ἀπὸ ἀδικίας.
4 When wine is present,7 [7 [ Sir_32:4] Heb(B) / LXX “Where listening is in order”] do not pour out discourse,
and
do not flaunt your wisdom at
the
wrong time.
Sir_35:4
Pour not out words where there
is a musician, and shew not forth wisdom out of time.
Sir_35:4 μὴ ὀφθῇς
ἐν προσώπῳ κυρίου
κενός· πάντα γὰρ
ταῦτα χάριν ἐντολῆς.
5 Like a seal
of carnelian
in a
setting of gold is a concert
when wine is served.
Sir_35:5
A concert of musick in a
banquet of wine is as a signet of carbuncle set in gold.
Sir_35:5
προσφορὰ
δικαίου λιπαίνει
θυσιαστήριον,
καὶ ἡ εὐωδία αὐτῆς
ἔναντι ὑψίστου.
6 Like a gold
mounting with an
emerald seal
is string music with delicious wine.
Sir_35:6
As a signet of an emerald set
in a work of gold, so is the melody of musick with pleasant wine.
Sir_35:6 θυσία
ἀνδρὸς δικαίου
δεκτή, καὶ τὸ
μνημόσυνον αὐτῆς
οὐκ ἐπιλησθήσεται.
7 Young man, speak only when
necessary,
when they have asked you more than
once;
Sir_35:7
Speak, young man, if there be
need of thee: and yet scarcely when thou art twice asked.
Sir_35:7 ἐν ἀγαθῷ
ὀφθαλμῷ δόξασον
τὸν κύριον καὶ
μὴ σμικρύνῃς ἀπαρχὴν
χειρῶν σου.
8 be brief, but say much
in those few words,
be like the wise man,
taciturn.
Sir_35:8
Let thy speech be short,
comprehending much in few words; be as one that knoweth and yet holdeth his
tongue.
Sir_35:8 ἐν πάσῃ
δόσει ἱλάρωσον
τὸ πρόσωπόν
σου καὶ ἐν εὐφροσύνῃ
ἁγίασον δεκάτην.
9 When among your elders do not be forward,
and with officials do not be too
insistent.
Sir_35:9
If thou be among great men,
make not thyself equal with them; and when ancient men are in place, use not
many words.
Sir_35:9 δὸς ὑψίστῳ
κατὰ τὴν δόσιν
αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐν ἀγαθῷ
ὀφθαλμῷ καθ᾿ εὕρεμα
χειρός·
10 Like the lightning that flashes before a storm is the esteem that shines on
modesty.8 [8 [ Sir_32:10] Syr omits “Like the lightning….modesty.”]
Sir_35:10
Before the thunder goeth
lightning; and before a shamefaced man shall go favour.
Sir_35:10 ὅτι κύριος
ἀνταποδιδούς ἐστιν
καὶ ἑπταπλάσια
ἀνταποδώσει
σοι.
11 When it is time to leave, do
not tarry;
be off for home!
Sir_35:11
Rise up betimes, and be not
the last; but get thee home without delay.
Sir_35:11 Μὴ
δωροκόπει, οὐ γὰρ
προσδέξεται,
καὶ μὴ ἔπεχε
θυσίᾳ ἀδίκῳ·
12 There take your ease, and
there enjoy doing as you wish, but without sin or words of pride.
Sir_35:12
There take thy pastime, and do
what thou wilt: but sin not by proud speech.
Sir_35:12 ὅτι κύριος
κριτής ἐστιν,
καὶ οὐκ ἔστιν
παρ᾿ αὐτῷ δόξα
προσώπου.
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Isiah 58 – Turn Away from The Luxury of Your Own
Works
Isa_58:13 WEB "If you turn away your foot from the
Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a
delight, and
the holy of Yahweh honorable;
and shall honor it,
not doing your own ways,
nor finding your own pleasure,
nor speaking your
own words:
Isa_58:13 LB “If
you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, so as not to do your pleasure
on the holy days, and shall call the
Sabbaths
delightful, holy
to God; if you
shall not lift up your
foot to work,
nor speak a
word in anger out of your
mouth,
Isa_58:13
ἐὰν ἀποστρέψῃς
τὸν πόδα σου ἀπὸ
τῶν σαββάτων
τοῦ μὴ ποιεῖν τὰ
θελήματά σου ἐν
τῇ ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἁγίᾳ
καὶ καλέσεις τὰ
σάββατα
τρυφερά, ἅγια τῷ
θεῷ σου, οὐκ ἀρεῖς
τὸν πόδα σου ἐπ᾿
ἔργῳ οὐδὲ λαλήσεις
λόγον ἐν ὀργῇ ἐκ
τοῦ στόματός
σου,
Isa_58:14 WEB then you shall delight yourself in Yahweh; and I will make you to ride on the high places of the
earth; and I will feed
you with the heritage of Jacob your father:" for the mouth of Yahweh
has spoken it.
Isa_58:14 then shall you trust on the Lord;
and He shall bring you up to the good places of the
land, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father; for the mouth
of the Lord has spoken this.”
Isa_58:14 καὶ ἔσῃ
πεποιθὼς ἐπὶ κύριον,
καὶ ἀναβιβάσει
σε ἐπὶ τὰ ἀγαθὰ
τῆς γῆς καὶ
ψωμιεῖ σε τὴν
κληρονομίαν
Ιακωβ τοῦ πατρός
σου· τὸ γὰρ στόμα
κυρίου ἐλάλησεν
ταῦτα.
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| ROW -- 7.12.18
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Deu_27:9
WEB Moses and the priests the Levites
spoke to all Israel, saying, Keep silence, and listen, Israel: this day you
have become the people of Yahweh your God.
Deu_27:9 LB Then Moses and the priests, the Levites,
spoke to all Israel, saying, “Be silent and hear, O Israel; this day you have
become a people to the Lord your God.
Deu_27:9
Καὶ ἐλάλησεν
Μωυσῆς καὶ οἱ ἱερεῖς
οἱ Λευῖται
παντὶ Ισραηλ λέγοντες
Σιώπα καὶ ἄκουε,
Ισραηλ· ἐν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ
ταύτῃ γέγονας
εἰς λαὸν κυρίῳ
τῷ θεῷ σου·
Deu_27:10
WEB You shall therefore obey the voice
of Yahweh your God, and do his commandments and his statutes, which I command
you this day.
Deu_27:10
And you shall obey the voice of the Lord your God, and you shall keep all His
commandments and His statutes, as many as I command you this day.”
Deu_27:10
καὶ εἰσακούσῃ
τῆς φωνῆς κυρίου
τοῦ θεοῦ σου καὶ
ποιήσεις πάσας
τὰς ἐντολὰς αὐτοῦ
καὶ τὰ δικαιώματα
αὐτοῦ, ὅσα ἐγὼ ἐντέλλομαί
σοι σήμερον.
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Proclamation Warfare
agreeing / cooperating with cheating / deception
Arpox
letting a hypocrite Lead You On by questions
....
Dismissal
ticket
begging the question by repeating the same old same old
polytheistic / pagan
worldly, indulgent, rich/luxurious
Proclamation Prayer Prep
Proclamation Warfare
Confusion
sorcery / spell / incantations / witchcraft
Conversation hijacking - letting pagans try to leave got along and tell
him what to do / what to talk about / direct the conversation
ADD
wanting to be heard
being quick to speak
being in a rush
fear of man
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Isa58:9 LXX
Deu_23:21-23
--- this also goes w SOM vows
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Moses waits to hear...
numbers ? -- Passover
numbers 15 -- Sabbath breaker
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When to Speak
we need to pray and
insist that God would always help us verbalize justice as we are morally
responsible to do:
4/13/17-4/14/17
Lev_19:17 WEB
" 'You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely
rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.
Lev_19:17 LB ‘You
shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your
neighbor, so you shall not bear sin on his account.
Lev_19:17
οὐ μισήσεις τὸν
ἀδελφόν σου τῇ
διανοίᾳ σου, ἐλεγμῷ
ἐλέγξεις τὸν
πλησίον σου καὶ
οὐ λήμψῃ δι᾿ αὐτὸν
ἁμαρτίαν.
Lev_19:18 WEB
" 'You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the
children of your people; but you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am
Yahweh.
Lev_19:18 And your hand shall not avenge you; and you
shall not be angry with the children of your people; and you shall love your
neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord
Lev_19:18
καὶ οὐκ ἐκδικᾶταί
σου ἡ χείρ, καὶ
οὐ μηνιεῖς τοῖς
υἱοῖς τοῦ λαοῦ
σου καὶ ἀγαπήσεις
τὸν πλησίον
σου ὡς σεαυτόν·
ἐγώ εἰμι κύριος.
Lev_19:19 WEB
" 'You shall keep my statutes. " 'You shall not crossbreed
different kinds of animals. " 'you shall not sow your field with two kinds
of seed; " 'neither shall there come upon on you a garment made of two
kinds of material.
Lev_19:19 ‘You shall observe My law: you shall not let
your cattle breed with one of a different kind, and you shall not sow your
vineyard with diverse seed; and you shall not put upon yourself a mingled
garment woven of two materials.
Lev_19:19
Τὸν νόμον μου
φυλάξεσθε· τὰ
κτήνη σου οὐ κατοχεύσεις
ἑτεροζύγῳ καὶ
τὸν ἀμπελῶνά
σου οὐ
κατασπερεῖς
διάφορον καὶ ἱμάτιον
ἐκ δύο ὑφασμένον
κίβδηλον οὐκ ἐπιβαλεῖς
σεαυτῷ.
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11/11/16
Hos_7:16 WEB They return, but not to the Most High. They
are like a faulty bow. Their princes will fall by the sword for the rage of
their tongue. This will be their derision in the land of Egypt.
Hos_7:16 CAB They turned aside to that which is not, they
became as a bent bow. Their princes shall fall by the sword, by reason of the
unbridled state of their tongue. This is their setting at nought in the land of
Egypt.
Hos_7:16 ἀπεστράφησαν
εἰς οὐθέν, ἐγένοντο
ὡς τόξον ἐντεταμένον·
πεσοῦνται ἐν ῥομφαίᾳ
οἱ ἄρχοντες αὐτῶν
δι᾿ ἀπαιδευσίαν
γλώσσης αὐτῶν·
οὕτος ὁ
φαυλισμὸς αὐτῶν
ἐν γῇ Αἰγύπτῳ.
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11/3/16
Most people will not even wait long enough to
actually listen and hear and think about what amazing things we have to say
about the Bible. I am terrified that this includes you! We could save your
soul, but you have not even listened to us long enough to think about the
amazing answers of Truth.
Pro_28:9 WEB He who turns away his ear
from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.
Pro_28:9 CAB He that turns away his
ear from hearing the law, even he has made his prayer abominable.
Pro_28:9 ὁ ἐκκλίνων
τὸ οὖς αὐτοῦ τοῦ
μὴ εἰσακοῦσαι
νόμου καὶ αὐτὸς
τὴν προσευχὴν
αὐτοῦ ἐβδέλυκται.
10/24/16
Jer_13:9 WEB Thus says
Yahweh, After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of
Jerusalem.
Jer_13:9 CAB Thus will I
ruin the pride of Judah, and the pride of Jerusalem;
Jer_13:9 Τάδε λέγει
κύριος Οὕτω
φθερῶ τὴν ὕβριν
Ιουδα καὶ τὴν ὕβριν
Ιερουσαλημ,
Jer_13:10 This evil people, who refuse to hear my words,
who walk in the stubbornness of their heart, and are gone after other gods to
serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this belt, which is
profitable for nothing.
Jer_13:10 even
this great pride of the men that
will not listen to My words, and have gone after strange gods, to serve them,
and to worship them. And they shall be as this sash, which is profitable for
nothing.
Jer_13:10 τὴν πολλὴν
ταύτην ὕβριν,
τοὺς μὴ βουλομένους
ὑπακούειν τῶν
λόγων μου καὶ
πορευθέντας ὀπίσω
θεῶν ἀλλοτρίων
τοῦ δουλεύειν
αὐτοῖς καὶ τοῦ
προσκυνεῖν αὐτοῖς,
καὶ ἔσονται ὥσπερ
τὸ περίζωμα τοῦτο,
ὃ οὐ χρησθήσεται
εἰς οὐθέν.
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10/25/16
Ecc_6:11 WEB For there are many words that create vanity. What
does that profit man?
Ecc_6:11 CAB For
there are many things which increase vanity. What advantage has a man?
Ecc_6:11 ὅτι
εἰσὶν λόγοι
πολλοὶ πληθύνοντες
ματαιότητα. τί
περισσὸν τῷ ἀνθρώπῳ;
Ecc_10:12 WEB The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious;
but a fool is swallowed by his own lips.
Ecc_10:12 CAB The
words of a wise mouth are gracious, but the lips of a fool will swallow him up.
Ecc_10:12
λόγοι στόματος
σοφοῦ χάρις, καὶ
χείλη ἄφρονος
καταποντιοῦσιν
αὐτόν·
Ecc_10:13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness; and the
end of his talk is mischievous madness.
Ecc_10:13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is folly, and the end of
his talk mischievous madness.
Ecc_10:13 ἀρχὴ
λόγων στόματος
αὐτοῦ ἀφροσόνη,
καὶ ἐσχάτη στόματος
αὐτοῦ περιφέρεια
πονηρά·
Ecc_10:14 A fool also multiplies words. Man doesn't know what will be; and
that which will be after him, who can tell him?
Ecc_10:14 A fool moreover multiplies words. No man knows what has been,
nor what will be. Who shall tell him what will come after him?
Ecc_10:14
καὶ ὁ ἄφρων
πληθύνει λόγους.
οὐκ ἔγνω ὁ ἄνθρωπος
τί τὸ γενόμενον,
καὶ τί τὸ ἐσόμενον
ὀπίσω αὐτοῦ, τίς
ἀναγγελεῖ αὐτῷ;
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Pro_16:13 WEB Righteous lips are the delight of kings. They
value one who speaks the truth.
Pro_16:13 CAB Righteous
lips are acceptable to a king, and he loves right words.
Pro_16:13
δεκτὰ βασιλεῖ
χείλη δίκαια, λόγους
δὲ ὀρθοὺς ἀγαπᾷ.
Pro_16:27 WEB A worthless man devises mischief. His speech
is like a scorching fire.
Pro_16:27 CAB But
the perverse bears destruction upon his own mouth: a foolish man digs up evil for
himself, and treasures fire on his own lips.
Pro_16:27 ἀνὴρ
ἄφρων ὀρύσσει ἑαυτῷ
κακά, ἐπὶ δὲ τῶν
ἑαυτοῦ χειλέων
θησαυρίζει πῦρ.
Pro_17:4 WEB An evildoer heeds wicked lips. A liar gives
ear to a mischievous tongue.
Pro_17:4 CAB A
bad man listens to the tongue of transgressors, but a righteous man attends not
to false lips.
Pro_17:4
κακὸς ὑπακούει
γλώσσης παρανόμων,
δίκαιος δὲ οὐ
προσέχει χείλεσιν
ψευδέσιν.
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General Motivations Not
to Sin With Your Mouth
10/14/16
Psa_59:12 WEB For the sin of their
mouth, and the words of their lips, let them be caught in their pride, for the
curses and lies which they utter.
Psa_59:12 CAB For the sin of their mouth, and the word of their lips, let them be
even taken in their pride.
Psa_59:12
(58:13) ἁμαρτίαν στόματος
αὐτῶν, λόγον
χειλέων αὐτῶν,
καὶ συλλημφθήτωσαν
ἐν τῇ ὑπερηφανίᾳ
αὐτῶν· καὶ ἐξ ἀρᾶς
καὶ ψεύδους
διαγγελήσονται
συντέλειαι
10/14/16
Psa_52:2 WEB Your tongue plots
destruction, like a sharp razor, working deceitfully.
Psa_52:2 CAB your tongue has devised
unrighteousness; like a sharpened razor you have worked deceit.
Psa_52:2
(51:4) ἀδικίαν ἐλογίσατο
ἡ γλῶσσά σου· ὡσεὶ
ξυρὸν ἠκονημένον
ἐποίησας δόλον.
Psa_52:3 You love evil more than good, lying rather than speaking the
truth. Selah.
Psa_52:3 You have loved wickedness more than goodness; unrighteousness
better than to speak righteousness. Pause.
Psa_52:3
(51:5) ἠγάπησας
κακίαν ὑπὲρ ἀγαθωσύνην,
ἀδικίαν ὑπὲρ τὸ
λαλῆσαι
δικαιοσύνην.
διάψαλμα.
Psa_52:4 You love all devouring words, you deceitful tongue.
Psa_52:4 You have loved all words of destruction, and a deceitful tongue.
Psa_52:4
(51:6) ἠγάπησας πάντα
τὰ ῥήματα
καταποντισμοῦ,
γλῶσσαν δολίαν.
Psa_52:5 God will likewise destroy you forever. He will take you up, and
pluck you out of your tent, and root you out of the land of the living. Selah.
Psa_52:5 Therefore may God destroy you forever, may He pluck you up and
utterly remove you from your
dwelling, and your root from the land of the living. Pause.
Psa_52:5
(51:7) διὰ τοῦτο ὁ
θεὸς καθελεῖ
σε εἰς τέλος· ἐκτίλαι
σε καὶ
μεταναστεύσαι
σε ἀπὸ σκηνώματος
καὶ τὸ ῥίζωμά
σου ἐκ γῆς ζώντων.
διάψαλμα.
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8/4/16
LXX only:
Pro_17:14 WEB
The beginning of strife is like breaching a dam, therefore stop
contention before quarreling breaks out.
Pro_17:14 LB Rightful rule gives power to words, but sedition and
strife precede poverty.
Pro_17:14 ἐξουσίαν
δίδωσιν λόγοις
ἀρχὴ δικαιοσύνης,
προηγεῖται δὲ
τῆς ἐνδείας στάσις
καὶ μάχη.
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8/4/16
Pro_18:4 WEB The words of a man's
mouth are like deep waters. The fountain of wisdom is like a flowing brook.
Pro_18:4 A word in the heart of a man is a deep water, and a river and
fountain of life spring forth.
Pro_18:4 ὕδωρ
βαθὺ λόγος ἐν
καρδίᾳ ἀνδρός,
ποταμὸς δὲ ἀναπηδύει
καὶ πηγὴ ζωῆς.
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8/1/16
Pro_11:12 WEB One who despises his
neighbor is void of wisdom, but a man of understanding holds his peace.
Pro_11:12 LB A man void of understanding sneers at his fellow citizens,
but a sensible man is quiet.
Pro_11:12
μυκτηρίζει
πολίτας ἐνδεὴς
φρενῶν, ἀνὴρ δὲ
φρόνιμος ἡσυχίαν
ἄγει.
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Psa_12:2 WEB
Everyone lies to [KJV: They speak vanity every one with]
his neighbor. They speak with [KJV: with]
flattering lips, ·and [KJV: and] with a double heartH3820 H3820 [???].
Psa_12:2 LB Everyone
has spoken vanity to his neighbor: their lips are deceitful, they have spoken
with a double heart.
Psa_12:2
(11:3) μάταια ἐλάλησεν
ἕκαστος πρὸς τὸν
πλησίον αὐτοῦ,
χείλη δόλια ἐν
καρδίᾳ καὶ ἐν
καρδίᾳ ἐλάλησαν.
Psa_12:3 WEB May Yahweh [KJV: The LORD shall]
cut off all flattering lips, and [?]
the tongue that boasts [KJV: speakethH1696
proud things:H1419],
Psa_12:3 LB Let
the Lord destroy [ἐξολεθρεύσαι]
all the deceitful [δόλια] lips, and
the tongue ·that speaks
great words [μεγαλορήμονα];
Psa_12:3 (11:4) ἐξολεθρεύσαι
κύριος πάντα τὰ
χείλη τὰ δόλια
καὶ γλῶσσαν
μεγαλορήμονα
Psa_12:4 WEB who have said, "With our tongue we will prevail.
Our lips are our own. Who is lord
over us?"
Psa_12:4 LB who
have said, “We will magnify our tongue; our lips
are our own: who is Lord of us?”
Psa_12:4 (11:5) τοὺς
εἰπόντας Τὴν
γλῶσσαν ἡμῶν
μεγαλυνοῦμεν,
τὰ χείλη ἡμῶν
παρ᾿ ἡμῶν ἐστιν·
τίς ἡμῶν κύριός
ἐστιν;
Psa_12:5 WEB "Because of the oppression of the weak [KJV: poor] and [?]
because of the groaning [KJV: sighingH4480 H603] of the needy, I will now arise," says
Yahweh; "I will set him [?] in safety from those who malign him [KJV: puffeth
at him]."
Psa_12:5 LB “Because
of the misery
[ταλαιπωρίας] of the poor [πτωχῶν],
and because of the sighing [στεναγμοῦ]
of the needy [πενήτων],
now will I arise [ἀναστήσομαι],”
says the Lord, “I will set them in safety [σωτηρίᾳ];
I will speak to them openly.”
Psa_12:5 (11:6) Ἀπὸ τῆς
ταλαιπωρίας τῶν
πτωχῶν καὶ ἀπὸ
τοῦ στεναγμοῦ
τῶν πενήτων νῦν
ἀναστήσομαι, λέγει
κύριος, θήσομαι
ἐν σωτηρίᾳ,
παρρησιάσομαι
ἐν αὐτῷ.
Psa_12:6 WEB The
words of Yahweh ·are flawlessH2889 [KJV: are
pure] words, as [KJV: as]
silver refined [KJV: tried] ·in
a clay [KJV: earth] furnaceH5948, purified seven
times.
Psa_12:6 LB The
words of the Lord are pure words; as silver tried in the fire, proved in a
furnace on the earth,
purified seven times.
Psa_12:6 (11:7) τὰ λόγια
κυρίου λόγια ἁγνά,
ἀργύριον
πεπυρωμένον
δοκίμιον τῇ γῇ
κεκαθαρισμένον
ἑπταπλασίως.
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>> Listen!!
>> God only
hears the poor
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7/10/16
1Sa_2:3 KJV+ TalkH1696 noH408 moreH7235 so exceeding
proudly;H1364 H1364
let not
arrogancyH6277
come outH3318
of your mouth:H4480 H6310
forH3588
the LORDH3068
is
a GodH410
of knowledge,H1844
and by him actionsH5949
are weighed.H8505
1Sa_2:3 Boast not, and utter not high things; let not high sounding
words come out of your mouth, for the Lord is a God of knowledge, and God
prepares His own designs.
1Sa_2:3
μὴ καυχᾶσθε
καὶ μὴ λαλεῖτε ὑψηλά,
μὴ ἐξελθάτω
μεγαλορρημοσύνη
ἐκ τοῦ στόματος
ὑμῶν, ὅτι θεὸς
γνώσεων κύριος
καὶ θεὸς ἑτοιμάζων
ἐπιτηδεύματα
αὐτοῦ.
>>Scrip:
Words without knowledge
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7/5/16
Amo_5:13 KJV+ ThereforeH3651 the prudentH7919 shall keep
silenceH1826
in thatH1931
time;H6256
forH3588
itH1931 is an
evilH7451
time.H6256
Amo_5:13 LB Therefore the prudent shall be silent at that time; for it is
a time of evils.
Amo_5:13
διὰ τοῦτο ὁ
συνίων ἐν τῷ
καιρῷ ἐκείνῳ
σιωπήσεται, ὅτι
καιρὸς πονηρός
ἐστιν.
Amo_8:3 KJV+ And the songsH7892 of the templeH1964 shall be
howlingsH3213
in thatH1931
day,H3117
saithH5002
the LordH136
GOD:H3069 there shall be
manyH7227
dead bodiesH6297
in everyH3605
place;H4725
they shall cast them
forthH7993
with silence.H2013
Amo_8:3 LB And the ceilings of the temple shall howl in that day,” says
the Lord God. “There shall be many a fallen one in every place; I will bring
silence upon them.
Amo_8:3
καὶ ὀλολύξει
τὰ φατνώματα
τοῦ ναοῦ· ἐν ἐκείνῃ
τῇ ἡμέρᾳ, λέγει
κύριος, πολὺς ὁ
πεπτωκὼς ἐν
παντὶ τόπῳ, ἐπιρρίψω
σιωπήν.
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7/4/16
Eze_22:28 KJV+ And her prophetsH5030 have daubedH2902 them with
untemperedH8602
morter,
seeingH2374
vanity,H7723
and diviningH7080
liesH3577
unto them, saying,H559
ThusH3541
saithH559
the LordH136
GOD,H3069
when the LORDH3068
hath notH3808
spoken.H1696
Eze_22:28 And her prophets that daub them shall fall, that see vanities,
that prophesy falsehoods, saying, “Thus says the Lord,” when the Lord has not
spoken;
Eze_22:28
καὶ οἱ προφῆται
αὐτῆς ἀλείφοντες
αὐτοὺς πεσοῦνται,
ὁρῶντες μάταια,
μαντευόμενοι
ψευδῆ, λέγοντες
Τάδε λέγει κύριος,
καὶ κύριος οὐ
λελάληκεν·
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6/29/16
Pro_19:1 WEB Better is the poor
who walks in his integrity than he who is perverse in his lips and is a fool.
Pro_19:1 LB (This verse omitted in LXX)
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6/28/16
Psa_107:41 KJV+ Yet setteth he the
poor on highH7682 H34
from affliction,H4480 H6040
and makethH7760
him
familiesH4940
like a flock.H6629
Psa_107:41 But He helps the poor out of poverty, and makes him families as
a flock.
Psa_107:41
(106:41) καὶ ἐβοήθησεν
πένητι ἐκ
πτωχείας καὶ ἔθετο
ὡς πρόβατα
πατριάς.
Psa_107:42 KJV+ The righteousH3477 shall seeH7200 it, and
rejoice:H8055
and allH3605
iniquityH5766
shall stopH7092
her mouth.H6310
Psa_107:42 The upright shall see and rejoice; and all iniquity shall stop
her mouth.
Psa_107:42
(106:42) ὄψονται εὐθεῖς
καὶ εὐφρανθήσονται,
καὶ πᾶσα ἀνομία
ἐμφράξει τὸ στόμα
αὐτῆς.
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6/24/16
Psa_12:3 KJV+ The LORDH3068 shall cut offH3772 allH3605 flatteringH2513 lips,H8193 and the
tongueH3956
that speakethH1696
proud things:H1419
Psa_12:3 Let the Lord destroy all the deceitful lips, and the tongue that
speaks great words;
Psa_12:3
(11:4) ἐξολεθρεύσαι
κύριος πάντα τὰ
χείλη τὰ δόλια
καὶ γλῶσσαν
μεγαλορήμονα
Psa_12:4 KJV+ WhoH834 have said,H559 With our tongueH3956 will we
prevail;H1396
our lipsH8193
are
our own: whoH4310
is
lordH113
over us?
Psa_12:4 who have said, “We will magnify our tongue; our lips are our
own: who is Lord of us?”
Psa_12:4
(11:5) τοὺς εἰπόντας
Τὴν γλῶσσαν ἡμῶν
μεγαλυνοῦμεν,
τὰ χείλη ἡμῶν
παρ᾿ ἡμῶν ἐστιν·
τίς ἡμῶν κύριός
ἐστιν;
Psa_12:6 KJV+ The wordsH565 of the LORDH3068 are
pureH2889
words:H565
as
silverH3701
triedH6884
in a furnaceH5948
of earth,H776
purifiedH2212
sevenH7659
times.
Psa_12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words; as silver tried in the
fire, proved in a furnace on the earth, purified seven times.
Psa_12:6
(11:7) τὰ λόγια κυρίου
λόγια ἁγνά, ἀργύριον
πεπυρωμένον
δοκίμιον τῇ γῇ
κεκαθαρισμένον
ἑπταπλασίως.
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Pro_18:20 KJV+ A man'sH376 bellyH990 shall be
satisfiedH7646
with the fruitH4480 H6529
of his mouth;H6310
and
with the increaseH8393
of his lipsH8193
shall he be filled.H7646
Pro_18:20 LB A man fills his belly with the fruits of his mouth, and he
shall be satisfied with the fruits of his lips.
Pro_18:20 ἀπὸ
καρπῶν στόματος
ἀνὴρ πίμπλησιν
κοιλίαν αὐτοῦ, ἀπὸ
δὲ καρπῶν χειλέων
αὐτοῦ ἐμπλησθήσεται.
Pro_18:21 KJV+ DeathH4194 and lifeH2416 are in
the powerH3027
of the tongue:H3956
and they that loveH157
it shall eatH398
the fruitH6529
thereof.
Pro_18:21 Life and death are in the power of the tongue, and they that
rule it shall eat the fruits thereof.
Pro_18:21
θάνατος καὶ
ζωὴ ἐν χειρὶ γλώσσης,
οἱ δὲ κρατοῦντες
αὐτῆς ἔδονται
τοὺς καρποὺς αὐτῆς.
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Logical-Rational Rules of Thumb for Fixing
Repeated Communication Problems
5/22/16
Cooperative Communication
Whoever initiates/starts a conversation has
the prerogative to dictate what the goals of that dialog are.
The second communicator does not inherently
have the right or authority to change the goals of the conversation, but should
strive to defend the originator’s goals even more than the presedent is supposed
to defend the constitution.
In an ideal situation, supposing the
initiator has a logical wherewithal when starting to talk, then the responder
should resolve all levelheadedness and saved mindedness with these
ideals/priorities:
·What is the first speaker actually saying? --
if this rule cannot be used, then this may need to be more of an authoritative/instructional communication
·What is the speaker’s context?
·What do they want as a goal -- should ideally
be clear in what they say
Authoritative/Instructional
Communication
Ideally reserved for a discipler or other
authority over a disciple.
If the (of age) disciple has not indicated a
willingness and agreement to learn, then this posture should almost never be
assumed by the potential authority.
Competitive
non-Communication
The servant of the Lord is not allowed to
play games and act like they are communicating while actually competing.
To avoid this, the servant of truth is to
stop up a fool’s mouth with judgment.
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5/21/16
People think they have achieved something /
grown mature when they are able tell other people how they feel.
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4/20/16
Gen_27: -- Jacob cannot take back his blessing
words are so serious, that they cannot be
taken back
This proves that the Bible is fundamentally
conservative.
You will observe all the word that proceed
out of your mouth.
Jephtha had to offer up his daughter…
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4/16/16
circumscized lips & heart
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Hearing Comprehension
Hearing Listening Reading Comprehension
>> communication changes!
Comp.: When To Interrupt
1/24/16; 3/24/17
3/23/17
Lev_8:33 WEB You shall not go out from the door of the
Tent of Meeting seven days, until the days of your consecration are fulfilled:
for he shall consecrate you seven days.
Lev_8:33 LB And you shall not go
out from the door of the tabernacle of witness for seven days, until the day be
fulfilled, the day of your consecration; for in seven days shall he consecrate
you,
Lev_8:33
καὶ ἀπὸ τῆς θύρας
τῆς σκηνῆς τοῦ
μαρτυρίου οὐκ ἐξελεύσεσθε
ἑπτὰ ἡμέρας, ἕως
ἡμέρα πληρωθῇ, ἡμέρα
τελειώσεως ὑμῶν·
ἑπτὰ γὰρ ἡμέρας
τελειώσει τὰς
χεῖρας ὑμῶν.
Lev_8:34 WEB What has been done this day, so Yahweh has
commanded to do, to make atonement for you.
Lev_8:34 as he did in this day on
which the Lord commanded me to do so, to make an atonement for you.
Lev_8:34
καθάπερ ἐποίησεν
ἐν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ ταύτῃ,
ἐνετείλατο κύριος
τοῦ ποιῆσαι ὥστε
ἐξιλάσασθαι
περὶ ὑμῶν.
Lev_8:35 WEB You shall stay at the door of the Tent of
Meeting day and night seven days, and keep Yahweh's command, that you don't
die: for so I am commanded."
Lev_8:35 And you shall remain
seven days at the door of the tabernacle of witness, day and night; you shall
observe the ordinances of the Lord, so that you do not die; for so has the Lord
God commanded me.”
Lev_8:35
καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν θύραν
τῆς σκηνῆς τοῦ
μαρτυρίου καθήσεσθε
ἑπτὰ ἡμέρας ἡμέραν
καὶ νύκτα· φυλάξεσθε
τὰ φυλάγματα
κυρίου, ἵνα μὴ ἀποθάνητε·
οὕτως γὰρ ἐνετείλατό
μοι κύριος ὁ θεός.
Lev_8:36 WEB Aaron and his sons did all the things which
Yahweh commanded by Moses.
Lev_8:36 And Aaron and his sons
performed all these commands which the Lord commanded Moses.
Lev_8:36
καὶ ἐποίησεν
Ααρων καὶ οἱ υἱοὶ
αὐτοῦ πάντας
τοὺς λόγους, οὓς
συνέταξεν κύριος
τῷ Μωυσῇ.
>> Sync: Pr!
| SCF | ROW > Hearing Comprehension
If you do not hear correctly, you can easily die.
Whoever hears these words and does them… --
GOT to comprehend hearing and doing
Good ground is those who hear the word
and understand it and bear fruit!
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Who Gets to “Follow Their Own Heart”?
12/11/15-12/12/15
MT: deceitful
The poison of Asps is under their lips
Tongue full of deadly poison << out of
the heart the mouth speaks
Samuel to Saul – do what is in your heart
Nathan to David – do what is in your heart
Eze_18: & 33 – Get a new heart & a new
spirit
In light of Saul & David, can we say:
Don’t follow your default heart, but only
follow a new heart, if indeed you have it.
Only follow Divinity, if it is indeed in you.
So you quickly and confidently praise your
own heart as new…
Well then, when was the last time you were
wrong?
When was the last time you misunderstood
something?
If I read the Bible to you, would you truly
understand it’s mysteries, or would you have fallible interpretations of men
that is just your own opinion subject to the possibility of error?
If your heart has ever made a mistake, this
is that imperfect and deceitful heart of evil which you cannot trust to tell
you if you are true.
Sir_37:12 But be continually with a
godly man, whom thou knowest to keep the commandments of the Lord, whose, mind
is according to thy mind, and will sorrow with thee, if thou shalt miscarry.
Sir_37:12 ἀλλ᾿
ἢ μετὰ ἀνδρὸς εὐσεβοῦς
ἐνδελέχιζε, ὃν ἂν
ἐπιγνῷς
συντηροῦντα ἐντολάς,
ὃς ἐν τῇ ψυχῇ αὐτοῦ
κατὰ τὴν ψυχήν
σου, καὶ ἐὰν πταίσῃς,
συναλγήσει
σοι.
Sir_37:14 And let the counsel of thine own heart stand: for there is
no man more faithful unto thee than it.
Sir_37:13
καὶ βουλὴν
καρδίας στῆσον,
οὐ γὰρ ἔστιν
σοι πιστότερος
αὐτῆς·
Sir_37:14 For a man's mind is sometime wont to tell him more than
seven watchmen, that sit above in an high tower.
Sir_37:14
ψυχὴ γὰρ ἀνδρὸς
ἀπαγγέλλειν ἐνίοτε
εἴωθεν ἢ ἑπτὰ
σκοποὶ ἐπὶ
μετεώρου καθήμενοι
ἐπὶ σκοπῆς.
\/
12 Instead, associate
with
a religious
man,
who you are sure keeps
the commandments;
who is like-minded
with yourself
and will feel for you
if you fall.
13 Then, too, heed8 your own heart’s
counsel;
for what have you
that you can depend on more?
14 A man’s conscience can tell him his situation
better than seven watchmen
in a lofty tower.
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Don't Assume
Sir_11:7
Sir_19:17
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4/3/15
End times ends up w a little mouth
speaking blasphemous
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Psa 39
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12/12/14
mat6 do not pray like the nations.... Many
words
There is
a consistent folly in pagans that fervantly believes that doing the
abominable filthy selfish things that they lust after also pleases their gods.
But monotheism is not pleased by the indulgent lusts you love and are acustomed
to, but demands that you instead hate your soul, deny your selfish ride and
fleshly stregth and prefer crucifiying your foolish and worthless self rather
tham boasting in it and expressing your satanic heart.
Notice that in the case of prayer, not even
the jewish hypocrites where so foolish as t multiply their words in prayer, but
instead it was the reputation of pagan gentiles who were seeking a demonic
connection wiith satan that spoke so many words. This proves that our cultures
are not even externally monotheistic in their practices, because we are worse
than foolish and ignorant gentiles...
> got to revise this and make it more
complete...
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12/5/14
Get recent al notes?
Don't delight in dumping -
delight in hearing
And don't believe your own arguments when you
vent
And don't vent irrelevantly
Make your words concise
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Only Favor-Building Words! Eph, judged for
all non-working words
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Observe
Your Words
11/27/13
Deu_23:21-23 CAB And if you will
vow a vow to the Lord your God, you shall not delay to pay it; for the Lord
your God will surely require it of you, and otherwise
it shall be sin to you. 22 But if you should be unwilling to vow, it is
not sin to you. 23 You
shall observe the words that proceed from between your lips; and as you have
vowed a gift to the Lord God, so
shall you do that which you have spoken with your mouth.
Deu_23:21-23 Greek (23:22) Ἐὰם הὲ וὔמῃ
וὐקὴם ךץסίῳ פῷ טוῷ ףןץ, ןὐ קסןםיוῖע ἀנןהןῦםבי
בὐפήם, ὅפי ἐךזחפῶם ἐךזחפήףוי
ךύסיןע ὁ
טוόע ףןץ
נבסὰ ףןῦ,
ךבὶ ἔףפבי ἐם ףןὶ ἁלבסίב· 22 (23:23) ἐὰם הὲ לὴ
טέכῃע וὔמבףטבי,
ןὐך ἔףפים ἐם
ףןὶ ἁלבספίב. 23 (23:24) פὰ
ἐךנןסוץόלוםב
היὰ פῶם
קויכέשם
ףןץ צץכάמῃ
ךבὶ
נןיήףויע ὃם
פסόנןם וὔמש
ךץסίῳ פῷ טוῷ ףןץ הόלב, ὃ ἐכάכחףבע פῷ ףפόלבפί ףןץ.
place your hand over your mouth
10/7/13
Job_40:1-5 WEB Moreover Yahweh
answered Job, 2
"Shall he who argues contend with the Almighty? He who argues with
God, let him answer it." 3 Then Job answered Yahweh, 4 "Behold, I am of small account. What shall
I answer you? I lay my hand on my mouth.
5 I have spoken once, and I will not answer;
Yes, twice, but I will proceed no further."
\/
Job_40:1-5 CAB (39:31) And the Lord God
answered Job and said, 2 (39:32) Will anyone pervert judgment with the Mighty
One? And he that reproves God, let him answer it. 3 (39:33)
And Job answered and said to the Lord, 4 (39:34)
Why do I yet plead? Being rebuked even while reproving the Lord: hearing such
things, whereas I am nothing: and what shall I answer to these arguments? I will lay my hand upon my
mouth. 5 (39:35) I have spoken once,
but I will not do so a second time.
Job_42:1-6 WEB Then Job
answered Yahweh, 2
"I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours
can be restrained. 3 You asked,
'Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?' therefore I have uttered
that which I did not understand, things too wonderful for me, which I didn't
know. 4 You
said, 'Listen, now, and I will speak; I will question you, and you will answer
me.' 5 I had
heard of you by the hearing of the ear, but now my eye sees you. 6 Therefore I abhor myself, and repent in
dust and ashes."
\/
Job_42:1-6 CAB Then Job
answered and said to the Lord, 2 I know that You can do all things, and nothing
is impossible with You. 3 For who is he that hides counsel from You? Or
who keeps back his words, and thinks to hide them from You? And who will tell
me what I knew not, great and wonderful things which I understood not? 4 But hear me, O Lord, that I also may speak:
and I will ask You, and You shall teach me.
5 I have heard the report of You by the ear
before; but now my eye has seen You. 6 Therefore I have counted myself vile, and
have fainted: and I esteem myself dust and ashes.
Jer_2:37 CAB For you shall go forth
from here also with your hands upon your head; for the Lord has rejected your
hope, and you shall not prosper in it.
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8/29/13
speaking words that
"break" justice, sanity, healthiness, and morality
"Strongs #1327: AHLB#: 1032-A
(N1)
1032) Ub% (Ub% BTh) ac: ? co: Cracks ab: ?: Something that is broken up
into pieces.
A) Ub% (Ub% BTh) ac: ? co: Cracks ab: ?: The crevices, clefts and
cracks in rock cliffs and outcroppings. Something that is broken into pieces. A
place of desolation.
Nf1) Eub% (Eub% B-ThH) - Desolation: [df: htb] [freq. 2] |kjv: waste,
desolate| {str: 1326, 1327}
E) Aub% (Aub% BThA) ac: ? co: Utter ab: ?: An incoherent, broken or rash
utterance of words usually spoken as a vow.
V) Aub% (Aub% B-ThA) - Utter: [df: hjb] [freq. 4] (vf: Paal, Piel) |kjv:
pronounce, speak unadvisedly| {str: 981}
hm) Aubm% (Aubm% MB-ThA) - Utterance: Words spoken
out of rashness. [freq. 2] |kjv: uttered| {str: 4008}..."
Quote:..."...The habit
of careless, nonsensical talking, is greatly averse to the government of the
tongue. It accustoms it to speak at random, without regard to consequences. It
often leads to the utterance of what is not strictly true, and thus insensibly
diminishes the regard for truth. It hardens the heart, and nourishes a
trifling, careless spirit. Moreover, if you indulge this habit, your
conversation will soon become silly and insipid...".
Quote:..."...Many people
open their mouths, and set their tongues a-going like the clapper of a
wind-mill, as though the object was, to see how many words could be uttered in
a given time, without any regard to their quality—whether sense or nonsense,
whether good, bad, or indifferent. A tongue, trained up in this way, will never
be governed, and must become a source of great mischief. But accustom yourself,
before you speak, to consider whether what you are going to say is worth
speaking, or whether it can do any mischief. If you cultivate this habit, your
mind will speedily acquire an activity, that will enable you to make this
consideration without waiting so long before answering your companions as to be
observed; and it will impose a salutary restraint upon your loquacity; for you
will find others often taking the lead of conversation instead of yourself, by
seizing upon the pause that is made by your consideration. This will be an
advantage to you, in two ways. It will give you something better to say, and
will diminish the quantity. You will soon perceive that, though you say less
than some of your companions, your words have more weight...".
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6/30/13; 7/3/13-7/4/13
do not 'think out loud'
Sir 4/5-ish, esp: -
corporately, - on emotional topics that are likely to reek havoc
Pro_29:20 CAB If you see a
man hasty in his words, know that the fool has hope rather than he.
>> !Add:
Pro_29:11 WEB A fool vents all of
his anger, but a wise man brings himself under control.
Pro_29:11 A fool shows all his mind, but the wise reserves his in part.
Pro_29:11 ὅλον
τὸν θυμὸν αὐτοῦ
ἐκφέρει ἄφρων,
σοφὸς δὲ ταμιεύεται
κατὰ μέρος.
Pro_17:27-28 CAB He that
forbears to utter a hard word is discreet, and a patient man is wise. 28 Wisdom shall be imputed to a fool who asks
after wisdom, and he who holds his peace shall seem to be sensible.
>>! fool delights in
discovering his own heart
7/9/13
Mat_6: – they think they will be heard by their many
words...
Ironically, indulgent pagans
think that God actually wants the most nausiating and disgusting things about
them. They do evil and please themselves, and always conveniently think that
their selish crimes are what their gods want to make them happy.
when are we going to finally
learn that selfishness is a child's lust, and when are we going to finally grow
up and stop thinking that by being evil good is pleased?
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6/24/13
find: “circumsize your lips”
/ mouth
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No chapter
break should be here…
Sir_7:36 Brenton Whatsoever thou takest in hand [ἐν πᾶσι τοῖς
λόγοις σου], remember the end, and thou shalt never
do amiss [εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα
οὐχ ἁμαρτήσεις].
Sir_8:1-3 Brenton Strive [διαμάχου] not with a mighty [δυνάστου] man' lest thou fall into his hands. 2 Be
not at variance with a rich man, lest he overweigh thee: for gold hath
destroyed many, and perverted the hearts of kings. 3 Strive [διαμάχου] not with a man that is full of tongue [γλωσσώδους], and heap not wood upon his fire.
Sir_8:1-3 Greek Μὴ διαμάχου
μετὰ ἀνθρώπου
δυνάστου, μήποτε
ἐμπέσῃς εἰς τὰς
χεῖρας αὐτοῦ. 2 μὴ
ἔριζε μετὰ ἀνθρώπου
πλουσίου, μήποτε
ἀντιστήσῃ σου
τὴν ὁλκήν·
πολλοὺς γὰρ ἀπώλεσεν
τὸ χρυσίον καὶ
καρδίας βασιλέων
ἐξέκλινεν. 3 μὴ
διαμάχου μετὰ ἀνθρώπου
γλωσσώδους καὶ
μὴ ἐπιστοιβάσῃς
ἐπὶ τὸ πῦρ αὐτοῦ
ξύλα.
> update: llo - Arpox
8/10/13
Sir_9:14-18 Brenton As near as thou canst, guess at thy
neighbour, and consult with the wise. 15 Let
thy talk be with the wise, and all thy communication in the law of the most
High. 16 And let just men eat and drink with thee;
and let thy glorying be in the fear of the Lord. 17 For
the hand of the artificer the work shall be commended: and the wise ruler of
the people for his speech.
18 A
man of an ill tongue is dangerous in his city; and he that is rash in his talk
shall be hated.
Sir_9:14-18 Greek κατὰ τὴν
ἰσχύν σου στόχασαι
τοὺς πλησίον
καὶ μετὰ σοφῶν
συμβουλεύου. 15 μετὰ
συνετῶν ἔστω ὁ
διαλογισμός
σου καὶ πᾶσα διήγησίς
σου ἐν νόμῳ ὑψίστου. 16 ἄνδρες
δίκαιοι ἔστωσαν
σύνδειπνοί
σου, καὶ ἐν φόβῳ
κυρίου ἔστω τὸ
καύχημά σου. 17 ἐν
χειρὶ τεχνιτῶν
ἔργον ἐπαινεσθήσεται,
καὶ ὁ ἡγούμενος
λαοῦ σοφὸς ἐν λόγῳ
αὐτοῦ.
18 φοβερὸς
ἐν πόλει αὐτοῦ ἀνὴρ
γλωσσώδης, καὶ ὁ
προπετὴς ἐν λόγῳ
αὐτοῦ μισηθήσεται.
> ROW/ Judge CH
--
complaining before its explained -- answering
a word before you even hear it
psychology of the adult learner
6/26/13
Sir_1 – Several Versions
Sir_1:23-24 Brenton
23
Until the right time a
patient person will
restrain himself,
and afterwards gladness will pay him
back.
24
Until the right time he will hide his words,
and the lips of many will tell of his
discernment
Sir_1:23-25 Brenton A patient man will tear for a time, and
afterward joy shall spring up unto him. 24 He
will hide his words for a time, and the lips of many shall declare his wisdom. 25 The
parables of knowledge are in the treasures of wisdom: but godliness is an
abomination to a sinner.
Sir_1:29-30 CPDV Those
who are patient will suffer for a brief time, and afterwards, happiness will
return. 30 A
noble mind will hide his words for a brief time, and then the lips of many will
declare his understanding.
Sir_1:29-30 DRB 29 A
patient man shall bear for a time, and afterwards joy shall be restored to him. 29 A
patient man shall bear for a time, and afterwards joy shall be restored to him. 30 A
good understanding will hide his words for a time, and the lips of many shall
declare his wisdom.
Sir_1:29-30 Brenton Be not an hypocrite in the sight of men,
and take good heed what thou speakest. 30 Exalt
not thyself, lest thou fall, and bring dishonour upon thy soul, and so God
discover thy secrets, and cast thee down in the midst of the congregation,
because thou camest not in truth to the fear of the Lord, but thy heart is full
of deceit.
Times For The Wise to Speak
Sir_4:23-30 Brenton *And refrain not
to speak, when there is occasion to do good, [* LOTS of textual problems… (see NRSV?); NETS – looks like it applies to someone else…] [and hide not thy wisdom in her beauty.] [included in Gr, Heb, Syr, Lat; this is only omitted by some Gr
MSS] 24 For
by speech wisdom shall be known: and learning by the word of the tongue. 25 In
no wise speak against the truth; but be abashed of the error of thine ignorance. 26 Be
not ashamed to confess thy sins; and force not the course of the river. 27 Make
not thyself an underling to a foolish man; neither accept the person of the
mighty. 28 Strive for the truth unto death, and the Lord shall
fight for thee. 29 Be
not hasty in thy tongue, and in thy deeds slack and remiss. 30 Be
not as a lion in thy house, nor frantick among thy servants.
Competence Condemned
7/10/13
Sir_5:1-3 Brenton Set thy heart upon thy goods; and say not,
I have enough for my life.
2 Follow
not thine own mind [soul] and thy
strength, to walk in the ways of thy heart: 3 And
say not, Who shall control me for my works? for the Lord will surely revenge
thy pride.
Don’t Think Out Loud
7/10/13
Sir_5:9-6:6 Brenton Winnow not with every wind, and go not into
every way: for so doth the sinner that hath a double tongue. 10 Be
stedfast in thy understanding; and let thy word be the same. 11 Be
swift to hear; and let thy life be sincere; and with patience give answer. 12 If
thou hast understanding, answer thy neighbour; if not, lay thy hand upon thy
mouth. 13 Honour and shame is in talk: and the tongue
of man is his fall. 14 Be
not called a whisperer, and lie not in wait with thy tongue: for a foul shame is
upon the thief, and an evil condemnation upon the double tongue. 15 Be
not ignorant of any thing in a great matter or a small. 6:1 Instead
of a friend become not an enemy; for thereby thou shalt inherit an ill name,
shame, and reproach: even so shall a sinner that hath a double tongue. 2 Extol
not thyself in the counsel of thine own heart; that thy soul be not torn in
pieces as a bull straying alone.
3 Thou
shalt eat up thy leaves, and lose thy fruit, and leave thyself as a dry tree. 4 A
wicked soul shall destroy him that hath it, and shall make him to be laughed to
scorn of his enemies. 5 Sweet
language will multiply friends: and a fairspeaking tongue will increase kind
greetings. 6 Be
in peace with many: nevertheless have but one counsellor of a thousand.
Sir_5:9 Greek μὴ λίκμα
ἐν παντὶ ἀνέμῳ
καὶ μὴ πορεύου ἐν
πάσῃ ἀτραπῷ· οὕτως
ὁ ἁμαρτωλὸς ὁ δίγλωσσος.
Sir_6:33 Brenton If thou love to hear, thou shalt receive
understanding: and if thou bow thine ear, thou shalt be wise,
do not Express yourself,
die to yourself!
4/8/13
- do not ever communicate to
get something off your chest to those who do not care about your heart.
- every evil person
considers it a "good" conversation when they get to say what they
feel, but every oppressed person who listens in pain as they are ignored
receive a bitter and evil conversation.
- many people think a talk
is "good" when they are personally gratified by getting to say what
they feel, even if the other person left discouraged without being heard.
- people will boast that
they had a good conversation when they did all the talking. But that was not a
conversation, that was a filthy and selfish monolog.
- strong people care more
about dictating their own thoughts than actually caring about the well-being of
their victems.
- truth cares about a mutual
basis for two way communication, but fools talk over other people so they can
feel better.
- do not be happy when *you*
get to say your part (this is excedingly evil) but get happy if *they* are
truly helped in faith to conform toward truth
3/18/13
comprehending much in few
words! -- crucify spotlight lust!
2/25/13
The Only
Times to 'Interrupt'
only times to 'interrupt' is
intolerance of mindless heresy. Not to compete in communication or wordfight
(as paul tells Timothy not to do w such heretics... but Paul says to reject a
heretic man, and don't play the word-fighting games... cut off his heresy; stop
up his mouth with condemnation and rejection, refusing to engage in their
shamful games any longer. The only time to 'interrupt' is when you are ending
their social crimes and refusing to hear the rebellion they build on
mindlessness. not to make another counter point, but to sharply end all cordial
comunication.
Jesus commended churches for
not tollerating evil, and rebuked those who tolerated Jezabelle.
The only time to 'interrupt'
is when it is sinful and defiling to continue hearing and tollerating lawless
speakers.
No wicked thing before eyes
Stop up ears.
Not for avoiding personal,
horizontal offense, and not when it is for the sake of avoiding our own
personal incrimination, but when people are irreverent toward the authority
above.
Not to refuse to hear a
mindful appeal that is plausibly worth considering, but to stop overt
foolishness and rediculousness when perverts glorify disobedience and incite
lawlesness, foolhearty lust, rebellion, personal soul worship, Bible
disobdience.
2/20/13
Deadly
Declarations!
- i am "here"
spiritually,
- i am not tempted by that,
- this person/ or this
thing/ principle is right/ wrong
- do not assert things,
because you are not established yet in what you ought to know
2/11/13
quickly answering a word,
means an irrevrent impulse that refuses to be taught or even give room to the
possibility the god may seek to communicate something to you within the words
that you are not taking that seriously
How To Be A Lost, Zealous, Hard-Core Person
·do a lot of
talking
·be very confident
·be convinced that
you have found the answer, and be completly and en th ousi as tic a lly satisfie
d with it, no matter how natural and fleshly it is
·always be very
confident and never question if you have been approved by God nor waite around
to hear his approval
·be quick to
assume your own approval, and never let anything get in the way or slow down
your confidence.
·dont be
emotionally weak so as to need God s affirmation at every moment to function,
because then you may stall when there is a chance to talk
·spend more time
in the morning thinking of answers to arguments and reading than in actual
prayer and emotionally needing to actually get some where with God -this is one
of your surest ways to go to hell-
·be attracted to
your own soul
·trust in your own
sincerity
·make sure you
dominate the conversation at all times so that you do not ever have to practice
self controle or deny yourself when you can find time to talk
·always have
something to say about every thing so that you can indulge in the lust of
talking and pass it off as proclaiming truth and being anointed by God to talk.
·never value
anyone elses heart but your own , because caring enough to search out where
someone else is and who they are takes all of the focus off of your own mouth
and diminishes your confidence in believing that people always need to be
listening to you
·never spend too
much time emotionally listening to others because really knowing people confer
s too much value on them and makes it seem like listening to them is more
valuable than them hearing you talk.
you dont want them or yourself to think that they
ever have anything better to say than you do, because it is alway s time for
you to talk
Jas Summaries
1 - Slow to speak
Set apart fithyness
Receive with meakness
But be doers of the word… not just hearer
Do not bridle tongue (end)
3 tongue
(Chapter 4 – beginning)
5 don’t swear
Add:
People speak so much because they get a certin
satisfaction from it, this is lustful indulgence, because it is not self
denying.
Many people speak about religious things because
they get a personal satisfaction from it, and are not living in self-denyal.
Many people even talk harshly against others with many conspiracy theories and
beloved philosophies, but this is self serving and self gratifying. It is not
sacrificial, but an indulging of the god of their own belly.
Why should we do this Bible study? It is not so we
will say what we all already know and believe, but that we listen intently for
spiritual truth to challenge us to examine what we think “we all already know
and believe.”
- At the beginning we are not talking about good
words just yet, but about identifying the sinful words we tend toward, and
charging us to repent of them.
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7/12/12
Nah_2:13 CAB Behold, I am against you, says the Lord
Almighty, and I will burn up your multitude in the smoke, and the sword shall
devour your lions; and I will utterly destroy your prey from off the land, and *your deeds [* MT: “the
voice of your messengers” (WEB)] shall be heard of no more.
Only speak when you are required
(“bound” by God) to speak
Isa_50:4
CAB The Lord, even God, gives me the tongue of instruction, to know when
it is fit to speak a word; He has appointed for me early, He has given me an
ear to hear;
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Same word as in:
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spiritG4151 shall teachG1321 youG1473 inG1722
that sameG1473 G3588 hourG5610 whatG3739
is necessaryG1163
to say.G2036
\/
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theG3588 favorG5484 G3588 being givenG1325
to me,G1473 to every one
G3956 G3588 beingG1510.6 amongG1722
you,G1473 to notG3361 be high-mindedG5252
aboveG3844 whatG3739 you
mustG1163
think;G5426 butG235 to thinkG5426 toG1519
G3588 be of a sound mind;G4993 to eachG1538 asG5613
G3588 GodG2316 portionedG3307 a measureG3358
of belief.G4102
\/
Eph_6:20 forG5228 whichG3739 I
am an ambassadorG4243 inG1722 a chain,G254
thatG2443 inG1722 itG1473 I should speak
openlyG3955 asG5613 necessaryG1163 for meG1473 to
speak.G2980
\/
Rev_10:11 AndG2532 he saysG3004
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to prophesyG4395 overG1909 peoples,G2992 andG2532
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Tit_1:10-13 CAB For there are also many insubordinate, both
idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11
whom it is necessary to shut their
mouths, who overturn whole households, teaching things which they ought not,
for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 There said a certain one of them, a prophet
of their own, "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, idle
gluttons." 13 This testimony is true; for which cause
rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,
>> you will never
again open your mouth
>> when God punishes
evil people for injustice, the righteous do not cast in their fool-heart
opinion and commentary on the situation, but it says…
Amo_5:13-14 CAB Therefore the prudent shall be silent at that
time; for it is a time of evils. 14 Seek good, and not evil, that you may live;
and so the Lord God Almighty shall be with you, as you have said,
– this might go good with facebook & blogs
>> no gossip – see:
privacy policy
>> No Hearsay
(fables)
There was a time when
Europeans thought that Elephants had no knees, and this was quickly repeated
and no one thought that it was necessary to go and look at an elephant before
quickly turning around and repeating this myth as fact in books and
publications.
But the Bible has been
speaking against this all along.
This is the same as gossip,
except you are not talking about a person, yet you are still repeating
unconfirmed information which is the same integrity breach that makes people
gossip.
Just because you heard
someone else say it does not mean that you have been commissioned with this
‘quick knowledge’ to go and spread it to others
11/7/11
Understanding = Calm
spirit
Cheap shots...
Jesus frequently did not
answer people
- man with possessed
daughter
- woman taken in adultery
(Joh 8)
- two blind men
- Moc trial (already
listed
- He did not open His
mouth (Isa 52/ 53)
Compare
- woman at the well
- some discussions with
Pharisees
--
Even the apostate Jews at
the end of the book of Acts listened to Paul before rejecting the truth.
Today's generations are so entrenched in obstenant foolishness that we won't
even stop to hear something before we pridefully and confidently think we know
enough to reject it. We are not quicker learners than the ancients.
Historically speaking, we are obviously degrading in our thought capacity. We
have no right to be quicker to answer in our lazy and mindless age than the
ancients who knew far more than we do.
The apostate Jews of
Paul's day had more integrity and honor than virtually all the pastors today
have, because we will not so much has have enough honor and humiility to stop
to listen to a word before foolishly answering and rejecting it.
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No ones blood will be on
my hands who stubornly continues to talk and refuses to repent of words
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--
In our culture we are all
like rude radio show hosts who pretend to extend honor when inviting guests
onto our show, only to rudely cut them short of answering by demanding short
quick and stimulating answers. Anything is slower than what our entertainment
crimes are used to are quickly disrespected
and set aside for more fast-passed entertainment and stimulation.
this rude mockery of
communication is wicked and needs repentance to live.
>> When to end philubustering
- Moses said to stop up
ears and don’t listen to false prophet
- Psa – ‘stops up his ears
from hearing of blood’
There are times to ‘stop
up the [sinning] mouth’ of a philabuster and to ‘not hear such a one’ any more,
*but we need to realize that this is *after* we have heard what he represents
and even more so we need to realize that this is the last resort when it has
come to the point of needing to “reject” such a one.
>> Darkens my
council ... Words without knowledge
>> What does it look
like to finally repent of words?
...then you will be
ashamed and never again open your mouth...
>> I might want to
move Jesus’ Silence into this bbs
>> do I have the
filibuster ref ( he who hears him will listen to no end...)
>> Isa_50:4 – in season means it is not the default
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster
>>
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/filibuster
Isa_6:5-8 CAB And I said, Woe is me, for I am pricked to
the heart; for being a man, and having unclean lips, I dwell in the midst of a
people having unclean lips; and I have seen with my eyes the King, the Lord of
hosts. 6
Then one of the seraphim was sent to me, and he had in his hand a coal
which he had taken off the altar with the tongs; 7 and
he touched my mouth and said, Behold, this has touched your lips, and will take
away your iniquities, and will purge off your sins. 8 And
I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go to
this people? And I said, behold, I am here,
send me. And He said, Go, and say to this people,
- Mouth cleaning before commissioning
- But we just want to go out and speak and do not care that we
are still defiled… it proves that we must not have seen God at all if we are
willing to do this