Religions and Denominations
Shorthand Notes Documenting what People Believe and Why they lack the Truth
and Must Repent
11/10/03 (Different Religions);
1/5/10 (Recompiled); 9/26/12 (formatting and, Bitter Agony of Religion);
6/9/13; 12/1/13 (Deism); 3/23/17; 2/12/19 (Re-Titled and
incorporated Denominations)…8/5/25
New
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Contents
Does the Devil like Religion? Oh,
Yes!2
WIKI – The Answer of “Political
Correctness”2
Historical-Linguistic Definition:
Religion = Demon Worship3
The
Painful and Bitter Agony of Religion3
Wasted and Worthless Religion is
Rejected in the End3
Part 2
-- Denominations and Church Groups4
The
History of Evangelicalism5
1700s – The Great Awakening. 5
1800s – The Second Great
Awakening5
1900s – Shallow Churchianity. 6
Luther’s Preface to Romans --
Summary Notes6
“Sinners Bound to Change Their
Own Hearts”7
Church
Hoping Through Denominations10
Catholic
& (Pseudo) Orthodox11
Pastors
& Their Churches Are Commanded To Repent13
Warning: Pastors are Propagating
the church!14
Pastors and church Leaders are No
Different than School Kids Who Compromise Out of Peer Pressure. 14
The Compromised church – Locked
in Bondage to Death, Darkness, and Sin14
Some Basic Hebrew and Greek
Concepts About Pastors15
Some Serious Biblical Warnings
Against Leaders and “Pastors”16
The Absolute Treachery of Money-Hungry
Pastor-Perverts17
Part 1 -- Religions
Defining Religion
Religion is any interaction or relationship or connection with any spirit or any admiration of any doctrine or philosophy or zeal for any belief that is not Perfect like the Holy Scriptures.
Summary
Religion is where counterfeiting doctrines, feelings, and or experiences are substituted in the place of, and in the name of God, (or with the idea of gods), by demons threw humans.
It is important to recognize the inherent involvement of demons when it comes to religion. For some this is obvious, but to others (depending on exposure and denomination) it still needs to click that religion necessitates demonically anointed ideas actions and beliefs.
Here I am not talking about Jas 1:26-27…
Does the Devil like Religion? Oh, Yes!
● He tried to ascend above the stars of God (Isaiah)
● In Revelation he has the beast worshipped and its image.
● Masquerades as angel of light
Satanic bible says it correctly:
“Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!” (Prologue to The Satanic Bible)
WIKI – The Answer of “Political Correctness”
“The anthropologist Clifford Geertz defined religion as a "system of symbols which acts to establish powerful, pervasive, and long-lasting moods and motivations in men by formulating conceptions of a general order of existence and clothing these conceptions with such an aura of factuality that the moods and motivations seem uniquely realistic.”
Retrieved 8/22/12
More Honest Answers
Actually, religion is about convincing people to willingly embrace insanity, not to portray something realistic or believable.
The consistent goal of all religion is to derive pleasure (almost “humorous” pleasure) out of believing irrational and mindless things.
The goal of religion is to incite faith into absurdities.
When people are tricked into acting and behaving in silly ways, religion has fulfilled its goal.
When people finally believe what is ridiculous and obviously fake, then religion has accomplished its lust.
Historical-Linguistic Definition: Religion = Demon Worship
Act_17:22 G1174
Act_25:19 G1175
Jas_1:26 – Misrepresented as
“religion”
The Painful and Bitter Agony of Religion
Wasted and Worthless Religion is Rejected in the End
Zec_7:5-6 CAB Speak to the whole people of the land, and to the priests, saying, Though you fasted or lamented in the fifth or seventh months (yea, behold, these seventy years) have you at all fasted to Me? 6 And if you eat or drink, do you not eat and drink for yourselves?
All these years, and it is hated by God!
You will fool in religion for seventy years, and God will turn up His nose at the stench of your abomination!
Isa_1:/ [other prophet] – “my soul hates your feasts”
Thess/ [somewhere else?] – God is not deceived!!! whatever a man sows he will also reap!
Isa_58: – True fast
Cursed and Hated Heritage
Children are worthless
“your wife will become a harlot”
Other men will bow over her (Job)
You will die with a bag over your head (Esther)
You will scream and cry out for mercy, and there will be gloating over your pain and pleasure taken you’re your shameful destruction
Scrip:
- He who made them will have no mercy on them
- Luk_16: – how much worse in Gehenna?
- Isaiah/ Rev_22:-ish – ever-lasting shame… spiting over the corpses of those who disobeyed
- Enoch
Different Religions
Atheism
‘No god!’
Agnosticism
“Not knowing.” ‘If there is a god we can’t
know him.’
Polytheism
‘Many gods. In hinduism there are over 300
million gods’
Pantheism
‘Everything is god’
Dualism
‘2 opposing forces/beings that are both of god.’
● Ying Yang ● Star Wars (“The
Force” “The dark side of the force…”)
Deism
‘The creators is far removed from the
creation’
‘A far removed watch maker/ creator’
All things without divine interference
Monism
-‘Everything is of the same substance’
-‘god is of the same essence as man.’
-‘He is made of the same substance, but not
necessarily the same individual.’
-‘Everything is a varying manifestation of
god.’
Materialism
-‘Mater produces the mind just as a liver
produces vile. It is all the same thing.
-Mater take
priority.
-All variations of life are a product of
matter.
-Man is a machine and is therefore not
responsible for his actions.’
-Communism is the chief end of materialism.
-Based on question: How much
can man produce? See the communist’s flag/logo.
Metaphysical-ism
‘Mind Over Mater’
‘There is no tangible matter it’s all in the mind. All things are products of he mind, and god is the universal mind. All personal spiritual experiences are
errors of the mind.’
Unitarianism
Doctrine includes trying to undermine the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.
Modern christianity
Religious social organizations that easily incorporate sinners as well as saints in the delusion that they are all saved. Statistics say that the majority of chuches are made up of this type of people who do not live according to the Bible but their by their own idea
Star Wars, for example, is a composite of:
Pantheism, Dualism, and Metaphysical-ism
Part 2 -- Denominations and Church Groups
The Stark, Darkening, Contrasting Opponents and
Counterfeits to Jesus’ Real Righteous Assembly
1/11/10 - 1/26/10 (original title: Anabaptists);
2/10/17;
2/23/17 (recompiled -- again into RAS); 3/11/17; 2/12/19 (recompiled -- yet
again into RAD); 2/24/20
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Debates of Churchianity
Christianity Needed Change Theories
Collaborative Summary
Introducing: The Harlot
· Modern Christianity
· Postmodern Christianity (Modern or Postmodern – it doesn’t matter too much except style…)
· Today’s Christianity / Christianity Today (Current, present)
· Churchianity
· modern Christianity (modernized / ultramodern…)
· Present-day Christianity
· Innovation Christianity
· contemporary Christianity (contemporaneous)
· Progressive Christianity
· Forward-looking… new… downgraded, neo, pop… popular…fashionable, hip, stylish, trendy, recent… fad… Ch
· Psudo-conservative, Christianity
· folk Christianity
· Christianity unboxed / Christianity without Churchianity
· It’s All part of a harlot called Bible Disobedience
The History of Evangelicalism
11/7/20
There are 10 primary preachers which all essentially define today’s current Try-to-be christianity.
15-1600s – Reformation
1483-1546 – Martin Luther
1484-1531 – Ulrich Zwingli
1509-1564 – John Calvin
1700s – The Great Awakening
1703-1791 – John Wesley
1707-1788 – Charles Wesley
1714-1770 – George Whitefield
[1762-1832 – Adam Clarke]
[also: Jonathan Edwards,
Gilbert Tennent, Jonathan Dickinson and Samuel Davies]
“Between 1700 and 1740, an estimated 75 to 80
percent of the population attended churches, which were being built at a
headlong pace.”
https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel02.html
11/7/20
1800s – The Second Great Awakening
1792-1875 – Finney (Charles Grandison Finney)
1837-1899 – DL Moody (Dwight Lyman Moody)
[1829-1912 – William Booth (The
Salvation Army Church; also: Catherine Booth)]
[1834-1892 – Charles Haddon Spurgeon]
1900s – Shallow Churchianity
1862/63-1935 – Billy Sunday (William Ashley Sunday)
1918-2018 – Billy Graham (William Franklin Graham, Jr.)
2000s – Post-Christianity
In arguing why we should not use the Bible to make our laws, Obam-ination said,
“Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”
(Obama, June 28 2006)
Written version on website: “Whatever we once
were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish
nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of
nonbelievers.”
This was in 2006 -- before even being elected in 2008… This is what America willingly chose and elected… and essentially chose again November 2020…
Reformation Events
http://protestantism.co.uk/timeline.html
11/7/20
Luther’s Preface to Romans -- Summary Notes
https://www.ccel.org/l/luther/romans/pref_romans.html
Great Awakening Notes
https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/john-and-charles-converted
George Whitefield had John Wesley preach his funeral
They always like each other.
Finney Heresies
Heresies of Charles Finney
11/6/20-11/7/20
While Jonathan Edwards "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God"
Finny Preached SINNERS BOUND TO CHANGE THEIR OWN HEARTS
Summary of Heresy
· Denied original sin
· Eventually advocated Psudo-perfectionism
· Pragmatic evangelist
· Said revival was not a miracle
https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/people/evangelistsandapologists/charles-finney.html
“Sinners Bound to Change Their Own Hearts”
https://www.gospeltruth.net/1836SOIS/01sois_sinners_bound.htm
·
Disobeying “Spirit”
“The term spirit,
in the Bible, is used in different senses: it sometimes means a spiritual
being, or moral agent; in other places it is used in the sense in which we
often employ it in conversation. In speaking of the temper of a man, we say he
has a good or bad spirit, a lovely or hateful spirit. It is evidently used in
this sense in the text. The term heart is also employed in various senses:
sometimes it appears to be used as synonimous[sic.]
with soul; sometimes it evidently means the will; sometimes the conscience,
sometimes it seems to be used in such an extensive sense, as to cover all the
moral movements of the mind; sometimes it expresses the natural or social affections.”
Nor,
3. Are we required to create any new faculties, of body or mind. We now have all the powers of moral agency; we are just as God made us, and do not need any alteration in the substance of soul or body. Nor,
·
“4. Does it mean that we are
to bring to pass any constitutional change in ourselves.
We are not required to add to the constitution of our minds or bodies any new
principle or taste. Some persons speak of a change of heart as something
miraculous--something in which the sinner is to be entirely passive, and for
which he is to wait in the use of means, as he would wait for a surgical
operation, or an electric shock. We need nothing added to the constitution of
our body or mind; nor is it true in experience, that those who have a new heart, have any constitutional alteration of their powers
whatever. They are the same identical persons, so far
as both body and mind are concerned, that they were before. The alteration lies
in the manner in which they are disposed to use, and do actually employ, their
moral and physical powers. A constitutional change, either in
body or mind, would destroy personal identity. A Christian, or one who
has a new heart, would not be the same individual in regard to his powers of
moral agency, that he was before--would not be the same agent, and under the
same responsibilities.”
Again--a constitutional alteration,
and the implantation of a new principle, in the substance of his soul, or
diffusing a new taste which is incorporated with, and becomes an essential part of his being, would
destroy all the virtue of his obedience. It would make obedience
to God a mere gratification of appetite, in which there would be no more real
virtue than in eating, when we are hungry, or drinking, when we are thirsty.
The necessary
adaptation of the outward motive to the mind, and of the mind to the motive,
lies in the powers of moral agency, which every human being possesses. He has
understanding to perceive and weigh; he has conscience to decide upon the nature
of moral opposites; he has the power and liberty of choice. Now, to this moral
agent, possessing these faculties, the motives of the Gospel re-addressed[are addressed--Ed.]; and there is plainly a
natural tendency in these weighty consideration to influence him to obey his
Maker.
The spiritual heart,
is the fountain of spiritual life, is that deep seated but voluntary preference
of the mind, which lies back of all its other voluntary affections and
emotions, and from which they take their character. In this sense
I understand the term heart to be used in the text. It is evidently something
over which we have control; something voluntary; something for which we are to
blame, and which we are bound to alter!
Indeed the continued
holiness of God depends upon the same cause, and flows from the same fountain.
His holiness does not consist in the substance of his nature, but in his
preference of right. His holiness must be voluntary, and he is immutably holy,
because he is infinitely so. In other words, his preference of right is
infinitely strong, so strong and so abiding as never
to admit of change; of any conduct inconsistent with it.
Now this was a real change of heart; from a perfectly holy, to a perfectly sinful one. But here
was no constitutional change, no change in the substance of either body or
mind. It was not a change in the powers of moral agency themselves, but simply
in the use of them; in consecrating their energies to
a different end. Now suppose God to have come out upon Adam with the command of
the text, "Make to you a new heart, for why will you die." Could Adam
have justly answered, Dost
thou think that I can change my own heart? Can I, who have a heart totally
depraved, can I change that heart? Might not the Almighty have answered him in
words of fire, Rebel, you have just changed your heart from holiness to sin,
now change it back from sin to holiness.
Now this was a real change of heart; from a perfectly holy, to a perfectly sinful one. But here
was no constitutional change, no change in the substance of either body or
mind. It was not a change in the powers of moral agency themselves, but simply
in the use of them; in consecrating their energies to
a different end. Now suppose God to have come out upon Adam with the command of
the text, "Make to you a new heart, for why will you die." Could Adam
have justly answered, Dost
thou think that I can change my own heart? Can I, who have a heart totally
depraved, can I change that heart? Might not the Almighty have answered him in
words of fire, Rebel, you have just changed your heart from holiness to sin,
now change it back from sin to holiness.
But if we are under an
obligation to do what we have no power to do, then sin is unavoidable; we are
forced to sin by a natural necessity. But this is contrary to right reason, to
make sin to consist in any thing that is forced upon
us by the necessity of nature.
…
As, therefore, God requires
men to make to themselves a new heart, on pain of eternal death, it is the strongest
possible evidence that they are able to do it. To say that he has commanded
them to do it, without telling them they are able, is consummate trifling.
Their ability is implied as strongly as it can be, in the command itself.
1. Because you have all the powers of
moral agency; and the thing required is, not to alter
these powers, but to employ them in the service of your Maker. God has created
these powers, and you can and do use them. He gives you power to obey or
disobey; and your sin is, that while he sustains these powers, you prostitute
them to the service of sin and Satan.
Again--These powers are as well suited to obedience as to disobedience.
Your wickedness consists in a wrong but obstinate choice of sin. But is it not
as easy to choose right as wrong?
…
"There is nothing in religion beyond
the ordinary powers of nature. It consists entirely in the right exercise of
the powers of nature. It is just that, and nothing else. When mankind becomes
truly religious, they are not enabled to put forth exertions
which they were unable before to put forth. They only exert powers which
they had before, in a different way, and use them for the glory of God."
for Finney, so too a revival: "A revival is not a miracle, nor dependent on a miracle, in any sense. It is a purely philosophical result of the right use of the constituted means—as much so as any other effect produced by the application of means."
Billy Sunday Heresies
11/6/20
1800s
HdFri 10:08pm
Dwight Lyman Moody (February 5, 1837 – December 22, 1899)
big revivalism preacher
"built one of the major evangelical centers in the nation, which is still active" (Wiki)
Billy Sunday (November 19, 1862 – November 6, 1935)
"In the first half of the 20th century, Billy Sunday (1862–1935) was America’s best-known evangelist and revivalist."
HdFri 10:17pm
@team sorry we ran out of time and didn't get to go over many conclusions or answers or hope but my hope and desperate yearning is to find something perfect which I find none of among all of these preachers
AlFri 11:39pm
Yeah makes me want to pray until I maintain being alive & fiery. And then wait until God forces me to see power such as Elijah saying, 'if I'm a man of God then let fire fall...'. Or Peter saying, 'men are about to come and take your fallen body away'.
11/7/20
haSat 9:13am
: )
Billy sunday reminds me of a black preacher. I can see how he couldve influenced black churches
AlSat 12:45pm(edited)
Yeah, Billy Sunday looked like a very engaging & captivating person to watch...
One huge problem- he didn't really preach doctrine.
His huge crowds and popularity diminished as his audiences were later distracted and turned away by even more entertaining things such as the coming in of radio broadcasts and moving pictures.
My partial biography Summary of his preaching and family life:
He mainly preached against alcohol, general sin, and promoted a few food morals.
Thankfully he was only married once and his marriage reportedly never had any scandals touch it.
But as far as his children, his 3 boys were a "disappointment" to him and we're involved in a number of scandals.
Sunday became rich in his preaching. His boys were "pampered" and raised by a nanny/strangers. His 1 girl (the oldest) was the only one raised by Sunday's wife.
Girl died of multiple sclerosis in 1932.
Boy 1 died of suicide in 1933 (he was previously involved in drunkedness and auto theft).
Boy 2 died in car crash in 1938.
Boy 3 died in airplane crash in 1944.
Bill Sunday died in 1935 at age 72. He had a mild heart attack earlier that year and his doctor advised that he stay out of the pulpit. Sunday ignored the advice and died 1 week after preaching his last sermon.
haSat 1:07pm
I might add that he was very patriotic
Also his boys were very involved with women and Sunday's even paid blackmail money to the women to keep them quite.
AlSat 1:15pm
Yeah, it seems obvious that there is a correlation with Sunday's wealth and the pampering of his boys by strangers, and ultimately this being a huge negative in his boys' upbringing. I guess Sunday & his wife got so busy that they had to have other people take care of the majority of his children.
I hope Sir doesn't become too busy whenever he might become "famous". Or, I guess we at least have to make sure righteous, poverty driven women are maintaining oversight of the children.
AlSat 1:19pm
Ricochet note: I might like to do a summary at some point on Charles Wesley so that we can have more solidness towards some of his songs (such as 'And Can It Be').
HdSat 1:19pm(edited)
yes.....
And what sad stories about Billy and others like him when the flesh tries to preach and be a revivalist....
VcSat 1:25pm
thanks for the updated summary, I like seeing how the matter ends. In this case very sad....
HdSat 1:28pm(edited)
Beyond all this, the main far-reaching/altering fault he had was essentially being "the first evangelist to equate the 'altar call' with salvation" as discussed in this very interesting forum:
Interestingly, I've always said that baptism was the Bible's altar call and someone noticed this but applied it slopp-ily in this discussion
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Anabaptists
See: PLN
Church Hoping Through Denominations
11/28/04 (original title: CHURCH HOPING); 2/23/17
(recompiled)
-- Under Construction --
Catholic & (Pseudo) Orthodox
Pretending continuity with the apostles while grossly departing from and profaning their faith
Apostasy deniers.
Idolatry
· Icon veneration
· Greek Ortho went through a period where icons were rejected
Ecumenical Councils
Anti-Marry
Assumption of Marry
Pseudo-Apostolic
Sacramental
· External rituals
Greek Ortho Oppose redemptive theology
· Don’t thing god wanted blood
· Not angry, no redemption needed
· ‘it’s not the death that saved us’
· ‘By his striped we are healed’ -- is it justice, or we found a path through that
· Cross was just to draw people to himself
· ‘salvation didn’t occur on the cross. It occurred the third day’
· Resurrection = salvation -- for JC & us
Greek
· Don’t see god as angry & punishing
· If you don’t choose g-d, he’s not punishing you; you choose it
· Died and resurrected because he was human
Presence Centered Movement
Disciple
Drum 9:13 PM
Btw great Sir with the worship evangelism I was talking about today - I see people going out with their worship team on the streets and instead of talking to the people about the Bible, they start a worship service in the middle of the sidewalk or subway. Again with the mentality that people encountering God via worship will grab their attention. I think this plus setting up a "can I pray for you" type of setup on the street is very popular for street evangelism now. I even saw Anthony Mitchell guy do a combo of the two on a street preaching day when he was in the UK.
So that's just a bit more of what I was getting at with the "worship movement". A type of worship movement has generally been a big thing in the church, but I am seeing like a big shift in it being even more prominent now. Terms like we are God presence church for instance is becoming popular. Another term being used is God encounters.
I also hear ppl saying we were made to worship.
Overseer
10:38 PM
hmmm
More developments in churchianity that need to be corrected....
Disciple -- Quotes a Reference
10:53 PM
God presence centered church A
"God presence centered church"—often called a "presence-centered
church"—is a church that prioritizes the manifest presence of God,
especially Jesus, above all else. Its main focus is to make worship, prayer,
and direct ministry to the Lord central to everything it does, rather than treating
them as secondary to programs, structures, or activities focused solely on
people[1][2].
Key characteristics of a
presence-centered church include:
- **Worship and prayer as first
priority:** The church’s central act is *to* Jesus,
making worship and prayer the core practices rather than just one aspect of
church life[1].
- **Leadership models ministry to
the Lord:** Senior leaders are involved in worship and
prayer, establishing these as a corporate, not individual, value[1][2].
- **Gatherings are designed to
encounter God:** Services are structured to anticipate God’s movement, allowing
for Spirit-led worship, prophetic ministry, and space for awe and response, not
just pre-planned excellence[2].
- **Unity and holiness are
prioritized:** The church is seen as a spiritual house
or temple being built for God’s presence, which thrives in relational unity and
corporate sanctification[2]. - **Teaching transformation:**
The expected outcome of God’s presence is real, lasting transformation in
people, not just emotional experiences[2].
- **Prophetic and altar-centered
culture:** Prophetic ministry and a posture of
surrender (the altar) are embraced as part of how the church interacts with God
in a living way[2]. As one pastoral summary puts it, “If the church isn’t first
and foremost for God, I’m not sure it can truly be called ‘church.’...
We are biblically compelled...while we prioritize Jesus as the One who receives
the first and best portion of our ministry”[1]. For
churches wanting to become presence-centered, leaders emphasize:
- Structuring gatherings for genuine encounter, not mere function. - Training
staff and teams in spiritual practices and priestly ministry. - Making God’s
presence, not performance or programs, the center of church life[1][2][3].
This approach seeks to fulfill New Testament patterns (such as Acts 13 and Eph.
2) where the church is described as God’s "dwelling place" and where
ministering to the Lord comes before any other ministry[1][2].
Citations: [1]
Overseer
8:44 AM
Various Pentecostal churches have had this general attitude of presence-first, or maybe we could say, spiritual-activity-first services in times past, but it is concerning and sad and tragic to see this becoming more of a solidified movement....
'this people draws near to me with their mouth but their hearts are far from me... In vain they worship me'
Maybe almost all we can do is hope that there are 'exceptions to the rule'... Because out of all of churchianity who seriously wants what these ideals are describing? Holiness? Surely they can't be serious... Make God's presence happy? As if anyone in church ever really cared anything about how God feels!
'if they had stood in my counsel they would have caused my people to cease from their sins'
Who actually even cares just about anything about what God wants in church today? As if Holiness could be achieved within harlotry culture without demolition... As if they had any idea Who God's Spirit actually Is, or what He is saying today... As if they would eagerly welcome and embrace it if God actually spoke in their services... As if they would welcome someone to speak who really said what God was saying...
Where in all of this particular movement or anywhere else can anyone find anyone who is desperate for Bible-first spirituality? When will we ever see Truth-first, and obedience-first...? Where is that existent anywhere today? But church is a desert: People don't believe that the Truth of Bible obedience catapults New Creations into connecting with the right God.
Yes, The only way they're going to make God happy is to get up like Moses and finally agree with God and say 'you are a stiff neck people'...
Church people will do just about any and everything else besides what God actually told them to do. That is the obstinate attitude of pretending like you're being spiritual in church while not caring about cleanness, obedience, and Truth.
Just about the only good they might ever do is by accident. That's why we have to pray for an exception to the rule.
A church person once suggested on the internet: 'what if every movement and denomination was God really trying to do something but men just got in the way?' -- no, but rather, whatever a denomination or movement uniquely emphasizes the most is usually what they are most wrong about.
Because of this, they are in danger of turning their failure into their boast.
Show me someone who's happy when you open the Bible and encourage them to obey ALL of it, especially the unpopular modesty and cleanness requirements, and then I can show you someone who is a candidate for holy service to the monotheistic clean God of Bible obedience.
Disciple
5:29 PM
Thanks for your important thoughts great Sir. Yeah hopefully there ppl out there who care and are tired of the hoopla
Persecuting Pastors
NOT Persecut[ed] Pastors -- doesn't hardly exist in modern cultures
BUT: Persecuting Pastors -- the wolves behind nearly every pulpit
prove if the shoe fits, wear it
show me a pastor that would lovingly receive a truth proclaimer and not persecute them and then we will finally find an exception to the rule!
But
the following persecution passages are practiced by nearly every modern church and pastor today…
Joh_9:22; Joh_9:34; Joh_9:35; Joh_12:42; Joh_16:2; Mat_10:17;
Mat_10:22; Mat_23:34; Luk_6:22; Luk_11:49; Luk_21:12; Act_5:40; Act_6:12;
Act_7:52; Act_8:1; Act_9:1; Act_13:50; Act_14:2; Act_14:19; Act_17:5;
Act_18:12; Act_21:27; 2Co_11:24; 1Th_2:14–15; 2Ti_3:12; Jam_2:6; 1Jn_3:12–13;
Jer_20:1–2; 2Ch_24:20–21; 1Ki_22:24; Amo_7:12–13; Isa_66:5
Persecution Pattern
Obeyers expelled from synagogues
(Joh_9; Joh_12; Joh_16)
Prophets killed by covenant people (Mat_23:34; Act_7:52)
Religious authorities scourging in synagogues (Mat_10:17; Mat_23:34)
Righteous cast out “for My name’s sake”
(Luk_6:22; Isa_66:5)
Murderers thinking they are serving g-d (Joh_16:2)
Persecution from “your own countrymen” (1Th_2:14–15)
Pastors are Not Innocent! (seen above)
Obeyers that proclaim Truth are
persecuted in virtually every church.
2Ti_3:12 – just desiring to live good reverently gets persecuted
(especially in end times apostasy)
Old Testament =
Patterns of Religious Expulsion & Persecution
Jer_20:1 NKJV Now Pashhur
the son of Immer, the priest, who was also chief
governor in the house of the Lord, heard that Jeremiah prophesied these things.
Jer_20:2 NKJV Then Pashhur
struck Jeremiah the prophet, and put him in the stocks that were in the high
gate of Benjamin, which was by the house of the Lord.
2Ch_24:20 NKJV Then the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, who stood above the people, and said
to them, “Thus says God: ‘Why do you transgress the commandments of the Lord,
so that you cannot prosper? Because you have forsaken the Lord, He also has
forsaken you.’ ”
2Ch_24:21 NKJV So they conspired against him, and at the command of the
king they stoned him with stones in the court of the
house of the Lord.
1Ki_22:24 NKJV Now Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah went near and struck Micaiah on the cheek, and
said, “Which way did the spirit from the Lord go from me to speak to you?”
Amo_7:12 NKJV Then Amaziah said to Amos: “Go, you seer! Flee to the land of Judah. There eat
bread, and there prophesy.
Amo_7:13 NKJV But never again prophesy at Bethel,
for it is the king’s sanctuary, and it is the royal residence.”
Isa_66:5 NKJV Hear the word of the Lord, You who tremble at His word: “Your brethren who hated you, Who cast you out for My name’s sake, said, ‘Let the Lord be glorified, That we may see your joy.’ But they shall be ashamed.”
New Testament = Persecution Multiplies!
Joh_9:22 NKJV His parents said these things because they feared the
Jews, for the Jews had agreed already that if anyone confessed that He was
Christ, he would be put out of the synagogue.
Joh_9:34 NKJV They answered and said to him,
“You were completely born in sins, and are you teaching us?” And they cast him
out.
Joh_9:35 NKJV Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had
found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?”
Joh_12:42 NKJV Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him,
but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put
out of the synagogue;
Joh_16:2 NKJV They will put you out of the
synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he
offers God service.
Mat_10:17 NKJV But beware of men, for they
will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues.
Mat_10:22 NKJV And you will be hated by all
for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.
Mat_23:34 NKJV Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and
scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and
some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to
city,
Luk_6:22 NKJV Blessed are you when men hate you, and when they exclude
you, and revile you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of Man’s sake.
Luk_11:49 NKJV Therefore the wisdom of God also said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill
and persecute,’
Luk_21:12 NKJV But before all these things, they will lay their hands
on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You
will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s
sake.
Act_5:40 NKJV And they agreed with him, and
when they had called for the apostles and beaten them, they commanded that they
should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
Act_6:12 NKJV And they stirred up the people,
the elders, and the scribes; and they came upon him, seized him, and brought
him to the council.
Act_7:52 NKJV Which of the prophets did your
fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the
Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers,
Act_8:1 NKJV Now Saul was consenting to his
death. At that time a great persecution arose against
the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered throughout the
regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.
Act_9:1 NKJV Then Saul, still breathing
threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest,
Act_13:50 NKJV But the Jews stirred up the devout and prominent women
and the chief men of the city, raised up persecution
against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region.
Act_14:2 NKJV But the unbelieving Jews stirred
up the Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brethren.
Act_14:19 NKJV Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium
came there; and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged
him out of the city, supposing him to be dead.
Act_17:5 NKJV But the Jews who were not persuaded, becoming envious,
took some of the evil men from the marketplace, and gathering a mob, set all
the city in an uproar and attacked the house of Jason, and sought to bring them
out to the people.
Act_18:12 NKJV When Gallio was proconsul of
Achaia, the Jews with one accord rose up against Paul and brought him to the
judgment seat,
Act_21:27 NKJV Now when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews from
Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on
him,
2Co_11:24 NKJV From the Jews five times I
received forty stripes minus one.
1Th_2:14 NKJV For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also
suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they did from the
Judeans,
1Th_2:15 NKJV who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets,
and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men,
2Ti_3:12 NKJV Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus
will suffer persecution.
Jam_2:6 NKJV But you have dishonored the poor
man. Do not the rich oppress you and drag you into the courts?
1Jn_3:12 NKJV not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his
brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his
brother’s righteous.
1Jn_3:13 NKJV Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you.
Pastors & Their Churches Are Commanded To Repent
Calling church leaders and church people to repent
of the leading apostasy of this age
(recompiled -- again into RAD);
This work was originally written to call pastors to repent of teaching that “christian” adulterers are going to heaven, but most of it applies to church members and church leaders in general.
Warning: Pastors are Propagating the church!
Pastors are among the primary religious propagators of this day. By feeding their “sheep” with the propaganda of adultery, they are breeding goats into wolves. If the church leaders are blindly leading today’s church goers, then they will certainly both fall into a pit, (Luk_6:39)!
Pastors and church Leaders are No Different than School Kids Who Compromise Out of Peer Pressure
Perhaps many of us remember being in Middle School and High School, and perhaps we remember how much peer pressure there is to conform to social norms, and often there is extreme pressure to do things that are foolish and wrong. Young people do what they do because they are young and they are influenced by their friends to do these things because they want to be accepted. Having been raised in typical American culture, I remember what it is like to feel like your whole world revolves around your “friends.”
We may recount how vain and foolish it can be to give yourself to “friends” in school, especially when kids give into the pressure to do bad things, and to even lie to their parents. In school you often don’t realize that in a few years most all of these “friends” will be completely gone, and then what will you have left to show for all of the foolish and sinful things you have done in your few years of pleasing your peers? Your parents whom you lied to are still in your life, but your peers you sought to please are usually all gone. This same reality is even more potent when we talk about church situations.
So many church leaders are compromising just like school kids and even lying before the Father who is over all creation in order to please the people in their congregations. For this fleeting and vain church social life, they will breach integrity over and over and fail to do what is right. But when judgment comes, where will all of their friends be whom they lied for? In that day pastors will be like school kids who have graduated only to find that all of their friends have abandoned them, and they are now left alone to face the reality of life. It is no more fun and games, but now reality must hit, and who can stand when this means judgment before God?
The cheap and fleeting false comfort of telling church goers that they are going to heaven is a social addiction that modern pastors are enslaved to. This foolish and sinful lie is based off of a counterfeit “love” which is not giving people love at all, but is really feeding a social addiction that does not tell people what is in their best interest so as to possibly save their souls from hell.
It is time some real integrity for truth hit our conscious, and we realized how vain, foolish and cheap our socializing is, and we repented for sinning against God to please the people. It is high time that we valued God over pleasing men, so as to not give our lives to fleeting lies and vanity. It is high time that we repented of being school kids pleasing our peers, so that when the reality of judgment hits, we will have some reason and basis to face it boldly with the consolation and assurance that comes from a life that is given to pleasing Jesus.
The Compromised church – Locked in Bondage to Death, Darkness, and Sin
Obeying the Bible is the only answer to heal the chaos that the modern church has now normalized and brought upon herself by disobeying God in this matter. But the church has continued to compromise Jesus’ clear teaching on divorce and remarriage, because so many people are getting divorced and remarried. As the church keeps changing and liberalizing its teachings and standards more and more to fit the ever degrading state of pervading normalized immorality among the people, many more onlookers feel all the more free to choose the option that has now been accommodated and accepted before their eyes. Divorce and remarriage is everywhere in the church, and it is increasing more and more. But even if pastors don’t mean it to go this far, without a true and complete repentance, there is nothing that can be done to stop it, since, in the end, you can never determine and halt the resulting extent of damage done once you have committed yourself to a breach from the integrity of truth.
Our present teachings have nearly nothing to do with Truth, but rather of pleasing people and accommodating sin for the sake of the counterfeit of “successful churches” and human “love” over the fear and love of God. But our actions are inexcusable because the Bible has clearly spoken:
Adultery Condemned
Exo_20:14/Deu_5:18; Lev_20:10; Deu_22:22-24; Pro_2:16-19; 6:23-33; Jer_5:7-9; 29:21-23; Eze_23:43-47; Mal_3:5-6; Mat_5:27-32; 19:9, 16, 18/ Mar_10:17, 19/ Luk_18:18, 20; 1Co_6:9-10; Gal_5:16-21; Heb_13:4; Rev_2:22-23… etc. Also see: Mat_15:19; Mar_7:21; Rom_13:9-10; Jas_2:11-12; 2Pet_2:14, 17-22
Divorce and Remarriage is
Adultery
Mat_5:27-32; 19:3-10; Mar_10:2-12; Luk_16:16-18; Rom_7:2-3; 1Co_7:10-11, 39
And instead of warning pleas issued to a dead and perishing people, we so frequently enter a church building only to see and hear professional speakers playing nice religious games over the deathbeds of the condemned. We hear the demonic sounds of comforting fabrications that call church goers “God’s people” and “The house of the lord,” as though the pews were actually occupied by people who Loved the Bible enough to obey it.
When are we going to walk into churches and hear
pastors pleading with their members to repent and save themselves from
perishing under the unbearable weight of God’s mighty judgment and fierce wrath
against their souls for living in sin (Act_2:40; 20:21, 24;
Luk_12:5; 2Co 5:11; Heb_10:31; Jud_1:23)? When are
pastors going to hold their people accountable for living in sin and fearlessly
taking the name of Jesus upon them? When are we going to stop paying
professional entertainers to lie to us and tell us we are all christians on our way to heaven?
When are we going to stop calling divorced and remarried people christians and start calling them
adulterers that must repent of their immoral relationships to live, like the
Scriptures say? But for the sake of those
among the church who are in this state, the church and her leaders now
sacrifice the Truth to give “vain comfort” to the church’s own destruction (see
Zec_10:2-3).
Practically no one that really sees the modern church, except a blind humanistic fool, would even attempt to seriously say that the church as a whole is getting closer and closer to the Truth. The corruption is obvious. It is clear that we are not evolving upward, but corroding downward into sin and then finally into hell itself. It is an obvious blight against us before the church and the rest of the world that the church is slowly and sometimes rapidly declining into her state of apostasy, just as the Scriptures have said warning us over and over (2Th_2:3, 5; 1Ti_4:1-3; 2Ti_4:3-4). “christian” television serves as an obvious reminder that the antichrist is not far off. Yes, his spirit is already in our midst preaching to us!
Ezr_9:2 CAB …the hand of the rulers has been first in this transgression.
2Pe_2:2-3 CAB And many will follow after their… [Textual variation: “destructions” (απωλειαις), (T/S Texts), or “lustfulness-es” (ασελγειαις), (B/A Texts); (see “GNT” in the Bibliography)], because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 And by covetousness they will exploit you with fabricated words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction will not sleep.
In light of the fallen state of the church, it is only reasonable to expect that if the church forsakes long-held strict hard-core positions for more complacent ones, we can be certain that in such cases it is only for the sake of sin, which is exactly what the Scriptures predict.
The pastors have become the fathers of this corruption in the modern Western church having propagated others worse than themselves, by their damnable propaganda (Mat_23:15). And why should we be surprised? The Scriptures have foretold these days, again and again they have been spoken of from the days of the prophets on through the writings of the New Testament.
Some Basic Hebrew and Greek Concepts About Pastors
In all of the following verses, the same Hebrew word is used which can, and does, get translated as either “pastor” or “shepherd.” The words “pastor” or “shepherd” are the exact same concept Biblically, but we have distinguished them culturally in English. (This same principal applies in Hebrew as well as Greek). For the sake of direct application, the following passages are all marked with the word “pastor” whenever it is not translated that way.
There are a lot of verses I am about to give you here, so if you like, you can skim through and read only the underlined portions. But in all cases, please be sober minded and clean hearted so that you may nobly consider these verses as they speak to us today, and, “…just as the Holy Spirit says: ‘Today, if you will hear His voice, 8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness,’” (Heb_3:7-8 CAB).
Some Serious Biblical Warnings Against Leaders and “Pastors”
Jer_10:20-21 CAB Your tabernacle is in a ruinous state, it has perished; and all your curtains have been torn asunder. My children and my cattle are no more; there is no longer any place for my tent, nor place for my curtains. 21 For the shepherds [pastors] have become foolish G1197, [or messed up or senseless] and have not sought the Lord; therefore the whole pasture has failed, and the sheep have been scattered.
Jer_12:6-11 CAB …Do not trust in them, though they shall speak fair words to you. 7 I have forsaken My house, I have left My heritage; I have given My beloved one into the hands of her enemies. 8 My inheritance has become to Me as a lion in a forest; she has uttered her voice against Me; therefore have I hated her. 9...Go, gather together all the wild beasts of the field, and let them come to devour her. 10 Many shepherds [pastors] have destroyed My vineyard, they have defiled My portion, they have made My desirable portion a trackless wilderness. 11 It is made a complete ruin: for My>> sake the whole land has been utterly ruined, because there is none that takes the matter to heart.
No one takes to heart the corruption in this issue, and so the church acquires cancers.
Jer_22:22 CAB The
wind shall tend [i.e. blow away] all your shepherds [pastors], and your lovers shall go into
captivity; for then shall you be ashamed and disgraced because of all your
lovers. [see:
4QJerc]
Jer_23:1-4 CAB Woe to the shepherds [pastors] that destroy and scatter the sheep of their pasture! 2 Therefore thus says the Lord against them that tend My people: You have scattered My sheep, and driven them out... behold, I will take vengeance upon you according to your evil practices… 4 And I will raise up shepherds to them, who shall feed them…
Jer_25:33-37 CAB And the slain of the Lord shall be in the day of the Lord from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be buried; they shall be as dung on the face of the earth. 34 Howl, O you shepherds [pastors], and cry; lament, you rams [i.e. male leaders] of the flock: for your days have been completed for slaughter, and you shall fall as the choice rams. 35 And flight shall perish from the shepherds [pastors], and safety from the rams of the flock. 36 A voice of the crying of the shepherds [pastors], and a moaning of the sheep and the rams: for the Lord has destroyed their pastures. 37 And the peaceful dwellings that remain shall be destroyed before the fierceness of My anger.
Jer_50:6-7 CAB My people have been lost sheep; their shepherds [pastors] thrust them out, they caused them to wander on [DSS: “they have turned back from” (4QJerc)] the mountains; they went from mountain to hill, they forgot their resting place. 7 All that found them consumed them. Their enemies said, Let us not leave them alone, because they have sinned against the Lord…
Eze_34:1-10 CAB And the word of the Lord came to me,
saying, 2 Son
of man, prophesy against the shepherds [pastors]
of Israel... 4 The
weak one you have not strengthened… and the stray one you have not turned
back, and the lost you have not sought… 9 for this cause, O shepherds, 10 thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against
the shepherds; and I will require My sheep at their hands, and will turn them
back that they shall not feed My sheep… [It is
good to read all of chapter 34, especially verses 1-16]
· Today’s pastors have left those diseased in their sin telling them that it is not sin.
·
They have not “brought again that which was driven
away,” [such as the time-honored Biblical Truth of this issue] neither have they
“sought that which was lost”
· “Therefore… the Lord GOD says… I am against the pastors”
Isa_56:9-11 CAB All you beasts of the field, come, devour, all you beasts of the forest. 10 See how they are all blinded; they have not known; they are dumb dogs that will not bark; dreaming of rest, loving to slumber. 11 Yea, they are insatiable dogs, that know not what it is to be filled, and they are wicked, having no understanding; all have followed their own ways, each according to his will.
[Technical
Source text Note: I have particularly used CAB for
Isaiah, because it is based on the LXX, and this Greek source
text is basically what the New Testament usually uses for Isaiah (for more, see
the online version of our Bibliography under, “Finding the Old Testament”)]
“Every thing’s fine…” they tell us. “Everyone here is saved…” they lie – as they and their churches wallow in adultery on their way to hell.
Zec_10:3a CAB My anger was kindled against the shepherds [pastors]…
And Jesus says:
Mat_23:13-16 CAB
…you will receive greater
condemnation. 14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites! Because you shut up the kingdom of heaven before men; for you do
not enter, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites! Because you travel around land and sea to make one proselyte, and
whenever he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you. 16 Woe
to you, blind guides…
And God also says:
Isa_6:10 CAB …their ears are hard of hearing, and they have closed their eyes; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
[Technical
Source text Note: I have particularly used CAB for
Isaiah, because it is based on the LXX, and this Greek source
text is basically what the New Testament usually uses for Isaiah – especially
with this particular passage (as seen in Isa_6:9-10; Mat_13:14-15; Mar_4:12; Act_28:26-27; Joh_12:40), (for more, see
the online version of our Bibliography under, “Finding the Old Testament”)]
We can protest all we want and say, “these Bible verses do not apply today,” but don’t they apply when it is obvious that we are living in the exact same sins?
If we will repent of our falsehood in this area and no
longer except people as christians who are divorced
and remarried, including pastors, then we have this promise from God concerning
pastors and leaders:
Jer_2:8 CAB …the shepherds [pastors] also sinned against Me…
Jer_3:14-15 CAB Turn, you children that have revolted, says the Lord... 15 And I will give you shepherds [pastors] after My heart, and they shall certainly tend you with knowledge.
(Also remember that we quoted Eze_34:9-16 and Jer_23:4 a few passages ago, and you can also see these references for this same promise).
The Absolute Treachery of Money-Hungry
Pastor-Perverts
MT
Zec 11:4-9 WEB Thus says Yahweh my God: "Feed the flock of slaughter. 5 Their buyers slaughter them, and go unpunished. Those who sell them say, 'Blessed be Yahweh, for I am rich;' and their own shepherds don't pity them. 6 For I will no more pity the inhabitants of the land," says Yahweh; "but, behold, I will deliver the men everyone into his neighbor's hand, and into the hand of his king. They will strike the land, and out of their hand I will not deliver them." 7 So I fed the flock of slaughter… 8 I cut off the three shepherds in one month; for my soul was weary of them, and their soul also loathed me. 9 Then I said, "I will not feed you. That which dies, let it die; and that which is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let those who are left eat each other's flesh."
LXX
Zec_11:4-9 CAB Thus says the Lord Almighty, Feed the sheep of the slaughter; 5 which their possessors have slain, and have not repented: and they that sold them said, Blessed be the Lord; for we have become rich: and their shepherds have suffered no sorrow for them. 6 Therefore I will no longer have mercy upon the inhabitants of the land, says the Lord… 8 And I will cut off three shepherds in one month, and My soul shall grieve over them, for their souls cried out against Me. 9 And I said, I will not tend you: that which dies, let it die; and that which falls off, let it fall off; and let the rest eat the flesh of his neighbor.
2Pe_2:2-3 KJV And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you [ὑμᾶς ἐμπορεύσονται]: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
And you are so confident that your perverted flattering pastors will do you well, but He says:
Zec_11:15-16 WEB Yahweh said to me, "Take for yourself yet again the equipment of a foolish shepherd. 16 For, behold, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, who will not visit those who are cut off, neither will seek those who are scattered, nor heal that which is broken, nor feed that which is sound; but he will eat the flesh of the fat sheep, and will tear their hoofs in pieces.
Zec_11:15-16 CAB And the Lord said to me, Take to yourself shepherd's implements belonging to an unskillful shepherd. 16 For behold, I will raise up a shepherd against the land: he shall not visit that which is perishing, and he shall not seek that which is scattered, and he shall not heal that which is bruised, nor guide that which is whole: but he shall devour the flesh of the choice ones, and shall dislocate the joints of their necks.
But churches today are given such leaders because they deserve such folly, and have lusted after death by loving deception:
2Ti 4:3-4 CAB …but according to their own lusts, they will heap up for themselves teachers, tickling their ears, 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to myths.
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