The Bible is True

The Reliability of the Bible

Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

5/20/09; 9/9/09; 9/10/09 (with Al’s help); 1/18/10; 1/30/10; 5/1-5/2/11; 5/7/11; 8/29/11; 9/2/11; 10/20/12; 2/6/17 (Apocrypha Defense recompiled); 2/8/17 (original initial part of this Bible study moved to LO); 2/20/17 (added/recompiled: BibleDifficulties); 2/2/19

 

 

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·        Common Objections to the Bible

·        Gospel Genealogies

 

 

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Companion Bible Studies

·        The Bible is True

·        TRUTH Obsession!

·        Letteral Obedience

 

 

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CannonofScripture

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Apocrypha Defense

SourceTextVariations

BibleDifficulties

 

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Table of Contents

Common Objections to the Bible. 2

scriptureconfidentliving. 2

Objections Book. 2

Christianitytoday. 2

thegospelcoalition. 3

The Devil’s Delusion. 3

carm.. 4

Monergism.. 5

Churchianity Does not Disprove the Bible. 6

Why Reading Writing Important and Potentially Saving?. 7

Read the Bible. 7

Critical Passages – at a Glance. 7

Daily Dependence. 7

Read it every Day. 8

John 14:15. 8

Other Scriptures: 8

Lazarus is not the author of John. 9

Cannon of Scripture. 9

Old Testament 10

New Testament 12

Pre-canonization. 13

Some Extra-Biblical Books Are Biblical 13

Apocrypha Defense. 14

The Greek Nuance does not disprove a Hebrew original 15

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Torchered for Resurrection Hope. 16

Absurd but Common Protestant Lies. 18

Unrighteous Money. 18

‘a son is like a slave’ in Gal_4:1 and Sir_3:7. 19

SOM Themes in Sirach. 19

Common Objections. 20

Bel and the Dragon. 20

Out of Egypt I have Called my Son. 20

John 3 snake. 20

from the beginning. 20

God Hates. 20

Blessed Wood. 21

Wis 13 & Rom_1. 21

Intertestimal Period Predicted. 23

Wisdom & Matthew.. 24

Canonization: Closed Cannon?. 28

Rev_11 Proves an Open Cannon. 29

Bible Difficulties. 30

Christian disunity versus biblical unity promises. 30

Lord, Lord. 31

Only Begotten Son?. 31

Take no thought for the morrow…... 32

Fig Tree. 32

Paradox / Notice Scientific Details. 34

Learning Letteral Obedience from the Centurion Story. 34

Your Failure to Be Specific is No Excuse to Pretend that the Bible is Contradictory. 36

The New Testament Was Not Originally Written in Aramaic. 36

Age Anomalies in Genesis. 36

Lions Strangle?. 36

Apparent Contradictions That Are Not Real! 37

Life Examples of invalid “Contradictions”. 37

Source Text Variations. 39

1. Original Texts. 40

NT documents: 40

Main Different Texts Used: 41

Major variations: 41

 

Common Objections to the Bible

2/7/20

 

 

 

scriptureconfidentliving

https://www.scriptureconfidentliving.com/blog/answeringobjectionstothebible

Someone Just Made Up the Bible a Long Time Ago

The Bible Contradicts Itself

The Bible is Scientifically Inaccurate

 

 

Objections Book

Why does a loving God let bad things happen?

Would God really send someone to hell?

And why is Christianity right and other religions in error?

 

Christianitytoday

https://www.christianitytoday.com/biblestudies/articles/evangelism/tcw-2000-002-7.62.html

 

Christians are hypocrites.

What about the atrocities Christians have committed?

Christianity is a crutch.

It's narrow-minded to think Jesus is the only way to God.

 

 

thegospelcoalition

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/reviews/confronting-christianity/

“Christianity doesn’t crush diversity, hinder morality, cause violence, undercut science, or denigrate women.”

 

how is it just or loving for God to send unbelievers to hell?

 

“Suffering is not the wrecking ball that knocks Christianity down but rather the cornerstone on which, painfully, brick by brick, it has been built.”

 

The Devil’s Delusion

David Berlinski

Berlinski does not dismiss the achievements of western science. The great physical theories, he observes, are among the treasures of the human race. But they do nothing to answer the questions that religion asks, and they fail to offer a coherent description of the cosmos or the methods by which it might be investigated.

anti-God fetish of modern science has driven many scientists into a mad nihilism that has crippled their scientific work as well”

George Gilder, author of Wealth and Poverty, Telecosm, and other books, writing in National Review

 

atheist mockery and cocksure science”

Harvey Mansfield, Professor of Government, Harvard University

 

“David Berlinski deflates the intellectual pretensions of the scientific atheist crowd.”

Michael J. Behe, Professor of Biological Sciences, Lehigh University, bestselling author of Darwin’s Black Box and The Edge of Evolution

 

https://www.discovery.org/b/the-devils-delusion/

2/26/20

 

 

carm

https://carm.org/objections-and-answers

    I am not a sinner

    There is no such thing as sin

    What is sin?

    I am too big a sinner

    What is salvation?

    What do I do to get saved?

    Is baptism necessary for salvation?

    I am already good enough

    I am doing the best I can and I'm sincere

    I am skeptical about God

    I tried Christianity once.

    I knew some Christians once and they wronged me

    I'll take my chances.

    I am not that bad a person

    I am too old or too young to be a Christian

    I can't believe in a God who would send people to hell

    I will worry about God in the next life

    I don't want to give up what I like doing

    Christianity is boring

    I am an atheist. I don't believe in God

    I am trying to be a Christian

    I am already religious

    I don't need God

    I have things I need to do before I become a Christian

    I prefer to remain open minded about God

    I already believe in God

    I'll choose God later

    There are too many hypocrites in the church

    Why are we here? Or, Why did God make us?

    What about those who have never heard the Gospel?

    Jesus is only one of many great men of history

    Why is there evil and suffering in the world?

    What makes Jesus so special?

    Why did Jesus have to die in order for me to go to heaven?

    What makes you think the Bible is the word of God?

    The Bible was written to look like Jesus fulfilled prophecy

    The Bible is full of contradictions.

    How do I know which religion is right?

    Religion is whatever you feel is right

    All religions are different paths to the same place

    What about dinosaurs and evolution?

 

Monergism

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/qa_steve_hays.html

 

1. Why Does the Bible Condone Genocide?

 

2. Does the Old Testament Endorse Slavery?

 

3. If God truly loves people why has he slaughtered so many of them throughout the history of the world?

 

4. No One Religion can Know the Fullness of Spiritual Truth, Therefore all Religions are Valid. It is Arrogant to Say Otherwise.

 

5. Christians Only Want Power Over Others - To Establish a Theocracy by Taking Over the State Mechanism

 

6. God is just a man made fairy tale. There is NO god period. There never was, and there never will be. If you take some time to do some critical thinking you will reach the same conclusion.

 

7. If God really cares about people and is all-powerful, why doesn't he create food for all the starving people in the world? Why doesn't he stop the earthquakes and tsunamis?

 

8. If God really cares for all people equally, how can he have a special "chosen" people?

 

9. If God created everything, why did he create AIDS, the ebola virus, etc.?

 

10. How can it be just to consign people to eternal torment in hell for sins committed in a relatively brief time on earth?

 

11. How can it be just to send people to hell when they have never had the opportunity to believe in Jesus?

 

12. If God truly wants people to believe in him, why does he not simply show himself to them like he did to Paul?

 

13. If the Christian faith is false or based on fabricated source documents, how would you be able to detect the error given your belief that the bible is the only admissible, authoritative evidence?

 

14. Why do Christians refuse to accept the scientific evidence for an old earth, evolution, etc., when they have no problem enjoying thousands of modern conveniences which are the result of this same science?

 

15. Why do Christians refuse to accept the historical and archaeological evidence that much of the bible was plagiarized from ancient near eastern sources?

 

16. If the bible has all the answers, why are there literally hundreds of Christian denominations that all think they alone are right and all the other Christians are wrong?

 

17. Why are Christians always the first to support the rights of greedy corporations, unrestricted gun ownership, invasion of foreign countries, the death penalty, etc., but the first to oppose helping the needy through welfare, foodstamps, and so on? Doesn't the bible teach mercy, the "Golden Rule," peace and non-violence?

 

18 .If God loves men and women both equally, why does the largest Christian Church (and many other denominations) refuse to allow any women, however gifted, to have any place of authority in the church?

 

19. If God loves all people, why does he condemn gays just because they were born with a different sexual orientation than heterosexuals?

 

20 . If Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the whole world, then how can God send people to hell to pay for their sins again? Was Jesus' payment not good enough for him?

 

21. How can you trust God's plan to bring you to a perfect heaven when he has a track record of failures? He created angels in a perfect place, but they rejected him and are now doomed to suffer forever; he put Adam and Eve in a perfect place and they lost it; he had to destroy the whole world in Noah's day; he had to confuse the languages at the Tower of Babel; he started the Church, and it ended up with Crusades, bigotry, division, etc. If he has failed to accomplish his plan of giving people a perfect place to live so many times, what makes you think he will actually get it right this time?

 

22. If Christians are really supposed to love others, how can they be happy for all eternity knowing that the majority of humans, and even some of their own friends and family, are in conscious, endless torment?

 

22. If Christianity is the only true religion, how come so many other religions are just as successful at making people good, ethical, and moral, and making them feel fulfilled and happy?

 

Churchianity Does not Disprove the Bible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ

 

Why does every intelligent Christian disobey Jesus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slAgzJmdU

 

Darwin

 

“"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble to us; and I for one must be content to remain an Agnostic"”

https://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/famous-scientists/all-great-scientific-thinkers-atheist.htm

2/26/20

 

 

Why Reading Writing Important and Potentially Saving?

4/10/17

 

Josh Studying Torah

 

Daniel studying Jer

 

>>Scrip:

Luk_16: they have Moses and the Prophets

 

Watch your doctrine -- save

 

Study to show self approved

 

 

 

Read the Bible

2-25-03; 4-3-04; 3/4/17 (recompiled); 7/21/19

 

Critical Passages – at a Glance

 

Read & Meditate:

Deu_17:18-20; Deu_6:6-9; Deu_11:18; Jos_1:8; Psa_1:2; Psa_119:10-11; Psa_119:97-100; Joh_8:31; 2Ti_2:15; 2Ti_3:14-17 (& 2Ti_4:1-5)

 

Read, meditate, study, community / public reading, get discipled in reading (2Ti_3:14 to 2Ti_4:5)!

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Daily Dependence

 

Nearly everyone is familiar with “The Lords Prayer.”  One of the requests is, “Give us this day our daily bread. (Mat 6:11)

Many equate this to only mean physical food, and miss the profound underlying meaning.  It also says in Dut 8:3 “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.” (Mt. 4:4)

-Jesus was even quoting scripture when He said it!…

 

Law do I meditate day and night

 

Josh 1:8          "This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate in it day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.                                                   (NKJ)

 

Read it every Day

Deu 17:18-20 WEB-Based  It shall be, when he sits on the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book, out of that which is before the priests the Levites:  19  and it shall be with him, and he shall read it all the days of his life; that he may learn to fear Yahweh his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them;  20  that his heart not be lifted up above his brothers, and that he not turn aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he and his children, in the midst of Israel.

 

John 14:15

15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.

 

 

 

Other Scriptures:

2Tim 3:15-17 –God given & profitable

 

2 Tim 2:15 -Study to show self approved

 

Ps. 119:10-11 Word in heart so no sin

 

Ps. 105:2, & 97Think about it all day & lamp unto feet

 

Heb 4:12 –Living active, judges Heart

 

1Pet 1:23 –Salvation

 

Rom     10:17 –Faith comes by hearing

 

            15:4 –Written for our learning & hope

-When I feel the worst I read Bible

 

Eph 6:17 -Sward of Spirit

 

Jas 1:21-25 –Don’t only listen 2 word           Lk 11:28

 

Prov. 30:5 –Every word pure…            Jn 17:17 –Truth            Jn 8:31 –Continue in Word

 

Lazarus is not the author of John

-- Under Construction --

~2004?; 3/4/17 (recompiled)

 

Polycarp

Historically speaking, Polycarp (A.D. 60-155), was John’s disciple and he attributed this gospel to John. So from the very beginning of Church history this book has been recognized as John’s Gospel, by Polycarp and other early Christian writings.

 

Joh 13:23 KJV+  Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.25

Joh 19:26 KJV+  When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved,25 he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

Joh 20:2 KJV+  Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved25, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulcher, and we know not where they have laid him.

Joh 21:7 KJV+  Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved25 saith unto Peter, It is2076 the3588 Lord.2962 Now3767 when Simon4613 Peter4074 heard191 that3754 it was2076 the3588 Lord,2962 he girt1241 his fisher's coat1903 unto him, (for1063 he was2258 naked,)1131 and2532 did cast906 himself1438 into1519 the3588 sea.2281

Joh 21:20 KJV+  Then1161 Peter,4074 turning about,1994 seeth991 the3588 disciple3101 whom3739 Jesus2424 loved25 following;190 which3739 also2532 leaned377 on1909 his846 breast4738 at1722 supper,1173 and2532 said,2036 Lord,2962 which5101 is2076 he that betrayeth3860 thee?4571

 

 

 

Joh 11:1 ALT  Now [there] was a certain one being sick, Lazarus from Bethany, of the village of Mary and her sister Martha.

Joh 11:2 ALT  And it was Mary, the one anointing the Lord with ointment and wiping His feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was being sick.

Joh 11:5 ALT  Now Jesus was loving Martha and her sister and Lazarus.

Joh 11:11 ALT  These [things] He said, and after this He says to them, "Lazarus our friend has fallen asleep, _but_ I am going so that I shall wake him up."

Joh 11:14 ALT  So then Jesus said to them plainly, "Lazarus has died."

Joh 11:43 ALT  And having said these things, with a loud voice He cried out, "Lazarus, come out!"

Joh 12:1 ALT  So six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, the one having died, whom He raised from [the] dead.

Joh 12:2 ALT  So they made Him dinner there, and Martha was serving. But Lazarus was one of the ones reclining [to eat] with Him.

Joh 12:9 ALT  So a large crowd of the Jews knew that He is there. And they came, not because of Jesus only, _but_ so that they should also see Lazarus, whom He raised from the dead.

Joh 12:10 ALT  Now the chief priests plotted that they should also kill Lazarus,

Joh 12:17 ALT  Then the crowd, the ones being with Him, were testifying that he called Lazarus out of the tomb and raised him from the dead.

 

 

 

 

Cannon of Scripture

other dates (See: FAQs); 3/14/17 (more recompilations & revisions)

What is your view of Scripture?

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It goes without saying that we believe all the Bible all the way down to every single smallest detail, just like Jesus commanded (Mat_5:17-20).

 

Believing all the Bible Means…

·        Believing the original Hebrew Old Testament -- As commanded from Moses to Jesus, and through the Apostles.

·        Believing all the books of the original Greek Old Testament (LXX) -- As commanded by Jesus and His Apostles.

·        Believing the Greek New Testament -- As commanded from Moses to Jesus, and through the Apostles.

·        Believing everything else that the Bible points to and affirms to be true.

·        Rejecting almost all English versions (especially the more periphrastic they are) which do not obey Jesus’ commanded reverence for every detail of the original languages (again, Mat_5:17-20).

·        Obediently listening for prophecies today (Paul: don’t forbid, covet to prophesy), and looking forward to the hope of more Scriptures yet to be written as the end of the age is brought to a close (Rev_11).

>> all of the inspired books we no longer have

 

Keep in mind that all of these complicated details were not designed for you as an individual to understand on your own.

The canon of Scripture is no simple ordeal.  It is not easy to understand, nor are you likely to even get the basic facts correct if you’re not helped.

If you ever choose to obey the Bible and get discipled, then you can ask us about our Bible study called, the Bible is True, where you can learn all of the shocking and profound details about the truth of the Canon of Scripture.

 

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Scripture is the totally inerrant, infallible, perfect and trustworthy Word of God, in written form. I accept everything as Scripture which is authenticated by Jesus Christ Himself, as well as the others He approved of and used to write Scripture (including especially the Old and New Testaments). Anyone who is not ignorant recognizes that the infrastructure of these resulting “books” has been strategically built so that each book reaffirms 100% of every other book in this collection to be the perfect and literal Words of God.

    I was raised a “Good (Protestant) Baptist Boy,” and have found that God confirms this zeal for the perfection of ALL of the Scriptures far more than even this denomination does (see 2Tim 3:15). However, although I accept what is called “the Standard Protestant Cannon” of 66 books, at the same time, I do not like most Protestants, at all reject as Scripture those books referred to by many as “the Apocrypha,” which are otherwise more accurately called the “Deuterocanonical Books” since they are authenticated by the same principal as the other 66 books (see below).

 

It is all too clear that every Scripture considers every other Bible verse to be the very perfect Words of the One, True and Living God:

 

What is “Scripture”: Mat 5:17, 7:12, 11:13, 22:40; Luk 16:16, 24:44; Jn 1:45, 10:35; Act 13:15, ← 17:2-3 → 24:14, 28:23; 1Pet 1:10-12;

Also: Jn 15:25 with Ps 35:19; 69:4; 109:3; and 1 Cor 14:21 with Is 28:11

And compare “God speaking” verses: Mark 12:26; Act 3:21, 7:6, 13:46; Heb 13:7

It is inspired by God: 2Tim 3:16; 2Pe 1:20-21

 

Old Testament

The Old Testament is Authenticated by amazingly Fulfilled Prophecy (This is merely a representative sample of countless others):

Psa 22:5-24 [hundreds and hundreds of years before Rome and their (“cross and nail”) crucifixion existed]; Isa 52:7; 52:13 - 53:12; Dan 12:4

For those who are sensitive to History, it is a striking reality that throughout the Book of Daniel the History of major World Empires is laid out thousands of years before these things existed, or had even begun to take place; (especially see Chapters 7-12).

    No other nation in all of history has ever been scattered and re-gathered even once in the way that Israel has been many times. The Bible is the key instructor that prophesies this over and over, and the fulfillments of these specific prophecies can be clearly seen even as late as 1948 when Israel was re-gathered (again) during our age, just as was spoken by Isaiah 11:9-12. This is only one example of the many many times that the Bible predicts this unique principal that showed itself in 1948. Others include: Jer 23:3-7; Ezk 37:11-22, 25; (38:8); Luke 21:23-24

    This is most profoundly understood with an awareness of History and how specifically this speaks of our time period when “the nations” (that is, the non-Jewish people or “Gentiles”) would believe in the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. The idea that the (pagan) nations would embrace Israel’s God was an absurd idea and vain hope, had it not been done by the supernatural hand of God.  But both this as well as the re-gathering of Israel happened just as God said in the Bible.

    The Old Testament is also amazingly accurate in scientific terms far beyond the humanly observable facts of their day:

Job 26:7; Isa 34:4; 51:6; Psa 102:25-27

    Also consider the Mosaic Health Benefits that the Law of Moses enforces (Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy) contrary to the Egyptian misconceptions of health that all Israel was surrounded with before their exodus out of Egypt.

 

The “Apocrypha”/ Deuterocanonical Books

What Protestants incorrectly (but commonly) call the “Apocrypha,” (or more correctly, the “Deuterocanonical Books”) are the removed, “extra,” books that were originally part of the standard Greek Old Testament, used by Christians and Jews alike, which are now no longer included by the Jews or the Protestants. Among the many writings of “the Ante-Nicene Fathers” of the early Church, there are “over 300 quotations from and references to the deuterocanonical books,” (A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs, p. 207, “Deuterocanonical books”), not to mention that they are commonly used and referenced by the New Testament itself as well.

    These Deuterocanonical books were removed by the Jews around 90 AD in their anti-christian reforms of Judaism, which not only included the official excommunication of all Christians from Judaism and their synagogues, but also ruled out any and every book that they did not have a Hebrew original for (that is, the “Apocrypha”), some of which they had lost in one way or the other (until a number of fragments were rediscovered with the findings of the Dead Sea Scrolls).

    These reforms also changed the rules to say that no works after Ezra and Nehemiah were Scripture, so that they retroactively “shut the door” and made for themselves a “closed cannon,” from anything that looked particularly “Christian.” This was not only because they wished to entirely cut off the plausibility of the Divinity of the New Testament writings altogether, but it was also done to exclude as many of the Old Testament (Deuterocanonical) books as they could, since they seemed to speak directly of Jesus Christ (example: the book of Wisdom chapter two) and were used by the Christians as such.

 

In reference to the general changes that the Jews made to the Old Testament, Justin Martyr says:

And I wish you to observe, that they have altogether taken away many Scriptures from the translations effected by those seventy elders [that is, the unique passages included in the original Greek Old Testament (LXX) but not in the Hebrew] who were with Ptolemy [King of Egypt], and by which this very man who was crucified is proved to have been set forth expressly as God, and man…  but I proceed to carry on my discussions by means of those passages which are still admitted by you.”

(Chapter LXXI)

 

for it is only a short time since they were cut out…

(Chapter LXXII)

 

“…said I, ‘it does seem incredible. For it is more horrible than the calf which they made, when satisfied with manna on the earth; or than the sacrifice of children to demons; or than the slaying of the prophets.’”

(Chapter LXXIII)

 

(Justin Martyr, “Dialogue of Justin, Philosopher and Martyr, with Trypho, a Jew”; 1.07.10 in e-Sword)

 

In reference to the rejection of the Book of Enoch specifically, and the Deuterocanonical books in general, Tertullian says:

But since Enoch in the same Scripture has preached likewise concerning the Lord, nothing at all must be rejected by us which pertains to us; and we read that “every Scripture suitable for edification is divinely inspired. (2Ti_3:16) By the Jews it may now seem to have been rejected for that (very) reason, just like all the other (portions) nearly which tell of Christ. Nor, of course, is this fact wonderful, that they did not receive some Scriptures which spake of Him whom even in person, speaking in their presence, they were not to receive. To these considerations is added the fact that Enoch possesses a testimony in the Apostle Jude.

 

(Tertullian, Part Fourth, end of Chapter III; 4.01.02 in e-Sword)

 

In reference to the specific example of removing the Deuterocanonical account called “the History of Susana,” Origen says:

“But probably to this you will say, Why then is the “History” not in their Daniel… [that is, “the History of Susana,” usually included at the end of Daniel] …The answer is, that they hid from the knowledge of the people as many of the passages which contained any scandal against the elders, rulers, and judges, as they could, some of which have been preserved in uncanonical writings (Apocrypha).”

 

“Wherefore I think no other supposition is possible, than that they who had the reputation of wisdom, and the rulers and elders, took away from the people every passage which might bring them into discredit among the people. We need not wonder, then, if this history of the evil device of the licentious elders against Susanna is true, but was concealed and removed from the Scriptures by men themselves not very far removed from the counsel of these elders.”

 

(Origen, “A Letter from Origen to Africanus,” Number 9; 4.01.02 in e-Sword)

 

Note: Please keep in mind that I do not quote these early writers as spiritual authorities, but only as historical references.

 

All of this change and omission took place during what people usually call, “The Council of Jamnia,” or “Council of Yavne.”

 

These anti-christian rulings against the Deuterocanonical Books (and a number of others like them) did not integrate into the christian church however, until long after the Protestant Reformation, the very beginnings of which started when Luther himself not only tried to remove these same books from the Old Testament, but also tried to remove James, Jude, Hebrews, and Revelation from the New Testament.

 

As a small point of clarification: Due to many details in my long-standing research on these books, I am not sure yet that the “Additions to Ester” and “Bel and The Dragon” are legitimate originals in the Greek Septuagint, however, I do accept the “History of Susana” as being original.

 

These removed “extra” books, can be found in many locations, including the original 1611 KJV, and many other ancient and or non-standard versions.

 

They are available on the web at:

www.riseisrael.com/apocrypha.htm

 

For use in e-Sword see:

www.e-sword.net/bibles.html#kjva

or even:

www.e-sword.net/bibles.html#drb

 

New Testament

The New Testament is authenticated - The very simple principal to acknowledge here is that if the Old Testament is true, it is unavoidable then that the New Testament is also true, since this is the very thing that the Old Testament sets out to point us to. If the Old Testament is true, it has the credentials and authority that one simply cannot rationally ignore as it makes claims of Divine preparation and authentication for the imminent comings of the Messiah (Jesus’ first advent on earth) and the New Covenant that He would bring with Him:

 

Jer_31:31-34 – New Covenant

Jesus: Due_18:17-19; Act_3:22-24; Act_4:31; Joh_1:45; Mat_5:17;

The 12 Apostles: Mat_10:1-4/Mar_3:14-19/Luk_6:12; Mat_19:28; Act_1:1-3, Act_1:21-26; Joh_15:16; Mat_19:27-28/Luk_2:30; Luk_11:49; Joh_14:26; (Mat_28:20); 1Co_14:37; Eph_2:20, 3:5; 1Th_2:13; 2Pe_1:16-21, 2Pe_3:2;

Paul: Act_9:1-19/ Act_22:3-16/ Act_26:9-18 (Especially: Act_26:18 - Open Eyes of the nations; Act_9:15 - Chosen vessel for the nations; and also: Act_22:15)Act_15:22-26; 2Pe_3:15-16; 1Co_9:1-2; 1Co_15:3-11; 2Co_11:5; 1Co_12:11; Gal_2:7-9, 11; 1Th_2:13; 2Ti_1:11;

Inerrancy and Perfection of Scripture: Psa_12:6; Pro_30:5-6; Rom_3:4; 2Ti_3:15-17; 2Pe_1:21

 

It is also a very simple matter to see, that if Jesus made claims to fulfill all of the Old Testament claims about Messiah (Christ) then it goes to naturally figure that the Old Testament likewise cannot be untrue if Jesus was true, since He based His entire identity and His statements about coming into the world on the basic understanding of the Old Testament Scriptures being the very Words of God (Joh 5:38-40; 10:35-38). So we cannot actually embrace one without proving the other.

    For those who are uninformed, it is vital to understand the massive implications of what is referenced above: The Old Testament is obviously Scripture because of amazing prophecies that even tell of these days. Since The Old Testament specifies “Jesus” as Christ and God in the flesh, this seals His Words as the very Words of God through His own mouth. Jesus authenticates the Old Testament by receiving it’s testimony, and proceeds to ordain “The 12 Apostles” and “Paul” (including Hebrews) as writers of Scripture under the New Covenant, and they intern authenticate James and Jude (the half brothers of Jesus) as well as Mark and Luke.

 

Also See: Summary of Very Basic Beliefs; [Also see Apostles]; [Back to Contents]

 

 

 

Pre-canonization

1/7/04 (Word: Created/Modified; original title: Precannonisation); 3/6/17 (recompiled)

 

1. 1TH 2:13 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.

2. 2PE 3:14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. [15] Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. [16] He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

 

 

Bible Relationship

Your “Relationship” With The Bible

3/4/06 (original title: the Bible); 2/20/17 (recompiled)

>> Pop: Tru

 

 

Some Extra-Biblical Books Are Biblical

6/23/17-6/24/17

 

Num 21:14 WEB  Therefore it is said in the book of the Wars of Yahweh, "Vaheb in Suphah, the valleys of the Arnon,

Num 21:14 Therefore it is said in a book, “A war of the Lord has set on fire Zoob, and the brooks of Arnon.

Num 21:14  διὰ τοῦτο λέγεται ἐν βιβλίῳ Πόλεμος τοῦ κυρίου τὴν Ζωοβ ἐφλόγισεν καὶ τοὺς χειμάρρους Αρνων,

Num 21:15 WEB  the slope of the valleys that incline toward the dwelling of Ar, leans on the border of Moab."

Num 21:15 And He has appointed brooks to reach Ar to dwell there; and it lies near to the coasts of Moab.”

Num 21:15  καὶ τοὺς χειμάρρους κατέστησεν κατοικίσαι Ηρ καὶ πρόσκειται τοῖς ὁρίοις Μωαβ.

 

Num 21:27 WEB  Therefore those who speak in proverbs say, "Come to Heshbon. Let the city of Sihon be built and established;

Num 21:27 Therefore those who speak in parables say, “Come to Heshbon, that the city of Sihon may be built and prepared.

Num 21:27  διὰ τοῦτο ἐροῦσιν οἱ αἰνιγματισταί Ἔλθετε εἰς Εσεβων, ἵνα οἰκοδομηθῇ καὶ κατασκευασθῇ πόλις Σηων.

Num 21:28 WEB  for a fire has gone out of Heshbon, a flame from the city of Sihon. It has devoured Ar of Moab, The lords of the high places of the Arnon.

Num 21:28 For a fire has gone forth from Heshbon, a flame from the city of Sihon, and has consumed as far as Moab, and devoured the pillars of Arnon.

Num 21:28  ὅτι πῦρ ἐξῆλθεν ἐξ Εσεβων, φλὸξ ἐκ πόλεως Σηων καὶ κατέφαγεν ἕως Μωαβ καὶ κατέπιεν στήλας Αρνων.

Num 21:29 WEB  Woe to you, Moab! You are undone, people of Chemosh! He has given his sons as fugitives, and his daughters into captivity, to Sihon king of the Amorites.

Num 21:29 Woe to you, Moab! You are lost, O people of Chemosh! Their sons are sold for preservation, and their daughters are captives to Sihon king of the Amorites.

Num 21:29  οὐαί σοι, Μωαβ· ἀπώλου, λαὸς Χαμως. ἀπεδόθησαν οἱ υἱοὶ αὐτῶν διασῴζεσθαι καὶ αἱ θυγατέρες αὐτῶν αἰχμάλωτοι τῷ βασιλεῖ τῶν Αμορραίων Σηων·

Num 21:30 WEB  We have shot at them. Heshbon has perished even to Dibon. We have laid waste even to Nophah, Which reaches to Medeba."

Num 21:30 And their descendants shall perish from Heshbon to Dibon; and their women have kindled a fire against Moab.”

Num 21:30  καὶ τὸ σπέρμα αὐτῶν ἀπολεῖται, Εσεβων ἕως Δαιβων, καὶ αἱ γυναῖκες ἔτι προσεξέκαυσαν πῦρ ἐπὶ Μωαβ.

 

 

Apocrypha Defense

Unofficially: ~ 2004 onward.

Compiled over various times and seasons, including, 8/10/2010 (created? Or copied from external HD?); 11/16/2011

Started really keeping track: 11/28/12 (Wis_4); 12/29/12; (many other dates) 1/27/13; 1/28/13; 2/4/13; 2/11/13; 2/17/13; 5/16/13; 5/26/13; 6/3/13-6/4/13; 7/10/13; 7/18/13; 10/14/13; 11/16/13; 11/24/13; 12/6/13; 12/8/14; 11/16/15 (Win: Modified); 2/6/17 (recompiled); 2/19/17; 10/6/18; ~Jan2021…3/15/21

 

Also See: Apocrypha Is Deuterocanonical

 

We have many resources we are trying to compile to answer this question

 

 

See:

C:\Files\Digital-Communications\Notes\Bible-Memory\Bible-Chapters.doc

 

7-9 Deuterocanonical Books

[x] [1-2 Esdras]

Tobit

Judith

1-2 Maccabees

Wisdom

Sirach (or Ecclesiasticus)

[?] Baruch & The Letter of Jeremiah (Baruch 6)

[x] [The Prayer of Azariah & Song of the 3 Children (Dan_3:24-90)]

Susanna (Dan_13)

[x] [Bel and the Dragon (Dan_14) [current version not acceepted]]

 

Eastern (Pseudo) Orthodox Church:

Prayer of Manasseh

1 Esdras

3 Maccabees

Psalm 151

 

“In addition, the Book of Susanna does not claim to be the Word of God. It was not mentioned by other books of the Bible, and was not mentioned by Jesus or His apostles.”

https://www.compellingtruth.org/book-of-Susanna.html

3/5/19

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God inspired “Daniel”

It might be partly referenced in the Gospel

 

 

 

Sir 35:1-2 -- at least Syriac version

1    If you are chosen to preside at dinner, do not be puffed up, and take no prominent place among the rich,6 [6 [ Sir_31:1] Syr adds]

but with the guests be as one of themselves;

take care of them first before you sit down;

 

2          when you have fulfilled your duty, then take your place, to share in their joy

and win praise for your hospitality.

Sir 35:1   If thou be made the master of a feast, lift not thyself up, but be among them as one of the rest; take diligent care for them, and so sit down.

Sir 35:1  συντηρῶν νόμον πλεονάζει προσφοράς, θυσιάζων σωτηρίου ὁ προσέχων ἐντολαῖς.

Sir 35:2  And when thou hast done all thy office, take thy place, that thou mayest be merry with them, and receive a crown for thy well ordering of the feast.

Sir 35:2  ἀνταποδιδοὺς χάριν προσφέρων σεμίδαλιν, καὶ ὁ ποιῶν ἐλεημοσύνην θυσιάζων αἰνέσεως.

 

 

Sir_12:1          If you do good, know for whom you are doing it,

and your kindness will have its effect.

 

2          Do good to the righteous man and reward will be yours, if not from him, from Yahweh.6 [6 [Sir12:2] most LXX “from the Most High” / LXX(O), Lat “from the Lord” / Syr “from his Lord”]

 

>> Jesus agrees with particular rewards for the people you give to

 

 

The Greek Nuance does not disprove a Hebrew original

Sometimes people say that history of Susana is not authentic because the Greek copies seem to play on Greek words.

 

This argument essentially does not prove anything because the Scriptures we know are written in Hebrew still sometime work out to play on words in Greek:

 

Pro_27:6 WEB  Faithful are the wounds of a friend; although the kisses of an enemy are profuse.

Pro_27:6 LB More faithful [ἀξιοπιστότερά] are the wounds [τραύματα] of a friend [φίλου] than [ἢ] the spontaneous [ἑκούσια] kisses [φιλήματα] of an enemy.

Pro_27:6  ἀξιοπιστότερά ἐστιν τραύματα φίλου ἢ ἑκούσια φιλήματα ἐχθροῦ.

 

In Proverbs “friend” [φίλου] and “kisses” [φιλήματα] turns into an interesting play on words when translated into Greek (Pro_27:6 LXX, as seen in LB).

 

The Hebrew does not have this special Nuance that the Greek has.

 

This does not mean that Proverbs was originally written in Greek, silly!

 

Nor do Greek plays on words in Susana prove that Susana was originally written in Greek.

 

Both Proverbs and Susana have plays on words in Greek, and if we know Proverbs was written in Hebrew, we have not proven that Susana was not originally in Hebrew just because it takes on new aspects when translated into Greek.

 

Maybe this is one of those examples where God was just that smart, and He intended for it to eventually be translated in Greek. -- sometimes the New Testament remarks off of and plays off of this dynamic.

 

And BTW, this goes back to the theme of Jesus believing that the original Hebrew and the original Greek are both inspired.

 

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Appx Smaller Aditions:

Psa_151

Dan 13 & 14

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Epistle of Jer

 

73A         EoJ -- Epistle of Jer

74A         PoA -- Prayer of Azariah

75A         Dan_13:

76A         Dan_14:

 

84A         Psa_151:

85A         PoS_

86A         Ode_

 

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The strongest parallel is Matthew 11:28-30 (see Sirach 6:24-25; 51:26-27)

The earliest patristic evdience for Sirach occurs in Didache 4:5 and Barnabas 19:9, which appear to cite Sirach 4:31

 

 

2Ma_7:1

 

Torchered for Resurrection Hope

Heb_11:35-36

2Ma_6:19, 2Ma_6:28

 

2Ma_6:19 - Tumpanon

1Ma_6:28

1Ma_6:30

 

2Ma_7:9

2Ma 7:11-12

 >> 2Ma 7:12 - ἐκπλήσσεσθαι G1605

>> the young man's courage >> ψυχήν

 

 

2Ma_7:14

 

>> 2Ma_7:17 -- βασανιει

 

2Ma_7:15; 2Ma_7:20 – all of the leadings in Heb

2Ma_7:21 – λογισμὸν ἄρσενι θυμῷ διεγείρασα

2Ma_7:20 "Hope" <--> Heb_11:1

>> Ὑπεραγόντως

>> 2Ma_7:21 - πατρίῳ φωνῇ

2Ma_7:24 counterfit μακαριστὸν

2Ma_7:26 πείσειν τὸν υἱόν

2Ma_7:27 ἀγαγοῦσαν

2Ma_7:28 γνῶναι ὅτι οὐκ ἐξ ὄντων ἐποίησεν αὐτὰ ὁ θεός > Heb_11:2

>> 2Ma_7:29 -- δήμιον -  this one publically bound to the people

2Ma_7:34 ἀδήλοις ἐλπίσιν

>> ἀνόσιε adj masc voc sg id ἀνόσιος, -ος, -ον unholy, profane (ofthings); evil; godless ἀνοσίου adj masc gen sg ...

 

 

2Ma_7:36 resurrection

 

Cambridge - Hebrews 11:36:

36. ἐμπαιγμῶν καὶ μαστίγων. “Seven brethren and their mother … being tormented with scourges and whips … and they brought the second for a mocking-stock … And after him was the third made a mocking-stock … And … they tortured and tormented the fourth in like manner” (2Ma_7:1; 2Ma_7:7; 2Ma_7:10; 2Ma_7:13, &c.). “And they sought out … Judas’ friends … and he took vengeance on them and mocked them” (1Ma_9:26).

δεσμῶν καὶ φυλακῆς. Joseph (Gen_39:20), Micaiah (1Ki_22:26-27), Jeremiah (Jer_20:2; Jer_37:15), Hanani (2Ch_16:10).

 

 

 

Just when you were not sure if you were sure, now is the time to be sure (a standing under...).

 

With a few indications of Scripture in Daniel (and other places), they lead this truth and hope on into logos that emboldened their souls unto death!

 

"2Ma 7; where it is recorded how, under the persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes, seven sons of one mother were tortured and lint to death; how one of them, in the midst of his tortures, having deliverance and advancement offered him if he would forsake the Law of his fathers, courageously refused the offer; and how both they and their mother, who encouraged them to persevere, reiterated their hope of a resurrection from the dead."

(Pulpit on Heb_11:35)

 

 

 

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Don't Accuse God For Temptation

i.e. impulse/solicitation unto evil/sin

Jas_1:13

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Sir_15:11

 

 

 

'Appocrypha' and NT Maintain a Consistent Doctrinal Testimony Against protestantism

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Apocrypha: Alms Save from death/produce mercy/forgiveness/love from God

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Act_10:? - Cornilious' Alms were remembered, and he got salvation preaching !!!

 

Absurd but Common Protestant Lies

"He diligently researched other Hebrew and Greek writings and found no pattern. This included the apocryphal books added in the Catholic and early Protestant Bibles, including the original King James Version before its many revisions."

http://www.biblesupport.com/e-sword-downloads/file/9371-panin-ivan-the-numeric-new-testament/

8/20/13

 

 

Unrighteous Money

 

Sir 5:8 Brenton  Set not thine heart upon goods unjustly gotten [χρήμασιν ἀδίκοις  unrigheous goods/usefult things (NETS: ill-gotten money)], for they shall not profit thee in the day of calamity.

 

Sir 5:8 Greek  Μὴ ἔπεχε ἐπὶ χρήμασιν ἀδίκοις· οὐδὲν γὰρ ὠφελήσει σε ἐν ἡμέρᾳ ἐπαγωγῆς.

 

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Luk 16:9 CAB  And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by the mammon of unrighteousness [τοῦ μαμωνᾶ τῆς ἀδικίας], so that whenever you fail, they may receive you into the eternal dwellings.

 

Luk 16:9 Greek  κἀγὼ ὑμῖν λέγω· ποιήσατε ἑαυτοῖς φίλους ἐκ τοῦ μαμωνᾶ τῆς ἀδικίας, ἵνα, ὅταν ἐκλίπητε, δέξωνται ὑμᾶς εἰς τὰς αἰωνίους σκηνάς.

 

Luk 16:11 CAB  Therefore if you were not faithful with the unrighteous mammon [τῷ ἀδίκῳ μαμωνᾷ], who will entrust to you what is genuine?

 

Luk 16:11 Greek  εἰ οὖν ἐν τῷ ἀδίκῳ μαμωνᾷ πιστοὶ οὐκ ἐγένεσθε, τὸ ἀληθινὸν τίς ὑμῖν πιστεύσει;

 

 

Jesus uses similar terminology, which is reapplied. Sirach tals about sinning to get money, Jesus reapplies this to speak of the inherant evil of earthly money.

 

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Sir 4:10 Brenton  Be as a father unto the fatherless, and instead of an husband unto their mother: so shalt thou be as the [a] son of the most High, and he shall love thee more than thy mother doth.

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Sir 4:14-15 Brenton  They that serve her shall minister to the [a] Holy One: and them that love her the Lord doth love.  15  Whoso giveth ear unto her shall judge the nations: and he that attendeth unto her shall dwell securely.

 

Sir 6:6 Brenton  Be in peace with many: nevertheless have but one counsellor of a thousand.

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Rom 12:16-21 CAB  Be of the same mind toward one another. Not minding the high things, but associating with the humble. Do not become wise in your own opinion.  17  Repay no one evil for evil; providing that which is good before all men.  18  If possible, as much as depends on you, keeping peace with all men.  19  Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.  20  Therefore "If your enemy should hunger, feed him; if he should thirst, give him drink; for by doing this you will heap coals of fire upon his head."  21  Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

>> see: BBS: Community/ 'get love-truth & abstaining from fleshly arguments'

 

 

Sir 3:18 Brenton  The greater thou art, the more humble thyself, and thou shalt find favour before the Lord.

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Pro/Jas: God opposes proud and favor to humble

 

 

a son is like a slave’ in Gal_4:1 and Sir_3:7

 

Sir 3:7 Brenton  He that feareth the Lord will honour his father, and will do service unto his parents, as to his masters [ὡς δεσπόταις δουλεύσει].

 

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Gal 4:1 CAB  Now I say, for as much time as the heir is a minor, he does not differ at all from a slave [δούλου], though he is master [κύριος – lord] of all,

 

 

 

SOM Themes in Sirach

5/26/13

 

Sir 2:12-18 Brenton  Woe be to fearful hearts, and faint hands, and the sinner that goeth two ways!  13  Woe unto him that is fainthearted! for he believeth not; therefore shall he not be defended.  14  Woe unto you that have lost patience! and what will ye do when the Lord shall visit you?  15  They that fear the Lord will not disobey his Word [i.e. whoever hears these words of mine and does them]; and they that love him will keep his ways [i.e. do the will of the Father].  16  They that fear the Lord will seek [ζητήσουσιν] that which is well, pleasing unto him [see and you will find]; and they that love him shall be filled with the law [i.e. I have not come to destroy but to fulfill…whoever breaks the least…you workers of lawlessness].  17  They that fear the Lord will prepare their hearts, and humble [ταπεινώσουσιν – blessed are οἱ πραεῖς (Mat 5:5)] their souls in his sight,  18  Saying, We will fall into the hands of the Lord, and not into the hands of men: for as his majesty is, so is his mercy [ἔλεος; Mat 5:7 μακαριοι οι ελεημονες; also, Luk 6:36].

 

 

 

Common Objections

 

Quotations in the New Testament

some say it is not quoted in the New Testament, but then when you prove them wrong, others step forward and say that it is the same as cases where the New Testament quotes pagan literature.

 

 

 

Bel and the Dragon

8/4/11

 

(1) Although only TH. has Daniel laughing in v.7, both versions have this in v. 19, [in e-Sword at: Dan_14:19].

 

(2) Also notice that the last story about the lion’s den in v. 28 [in e-Sword at: Dan_14:28], repeatedly contradicts the Biblical story (example: v. 32 [ES: Dan_14:32] as opposed to Dan_6:17-19) about the lion’s den, no matter what source text you use. If the book of Daniel is true as the Old and New Testaments say it is (see: Mat_24:30; Mat_26:64; Mar_13:26; Mar_14:62; Luk_21:27) then neither of the current versions of “Bel and the Dragon” can be true.

 

 

 

Out of Egypt I have Called my Son

see: bbs Notes

 

John 3 snake

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Wis 16:5-7 Brenton  For when the horrible fierceness of beasts came upon these, and they perished with the stings of crooked serpents, thy wrath endured not for ever:  6  But they were troubled for a small season, that they might be admonished, having a sign of salvation, to put them in remembrance of the commandment of thy law.  7  For he that turned himself toward it was not saved by the thing that he saw, but by thee, that art the Saviour of all.

 

 

 

from the beginning

Wisdom Says, 'it was not so from the beginning' – it is no wonder Jesus says this and declare dar to be adultery....

 

Wis 14:12-13 Brenton  For the devising of idols was the beginning of spiritual fornication, and the invention of them the corruption of life.  13  For neither were they from the beginning, neither shall they be for ever.

 

 

 

God Hates

 

Paul did not need to explain why God loves mankind and yet hatted Issau, because this had already bee taught in the book of Wisdom (Esp. Chs 11-14, etc.)

 

 

Blessed Wood

Long before the time when Jesus was crucified, the book of Wisdom said:

 

Wis 14:7 Br-Gr  For blessed is the wood whereby righteousness cometh.

 

Because the early church accepted the book of wisdom as Scripture, they recognize this as a prophecy concerning the crucifixion of Jesus on the wood of the cross.

 

Can you finally let some faith move in you, like it did in the early church, and recognize there is something supernaturally been foretold here?

 

 

 

Wis 13 & Rom_1

Wis 13:1-11 Brenton [p. 708 NETS]  Surely vain are all men by nature, who are ignorant of God, and could not out of the good things that are seen know him that is: neither by considering the works did they acknowledge the workmaster;  2  But deemed either fire, or wind, or the swift air, or the circle of the stars, or the violent water, or the lights of heaven, to be the gods which govern the world.  3  With whose beauty if they being delighted took them to be gods; let them know how much better the Lord of them is: for the first author of beauty hath created them.  4  But if they were astonished at their power and virtue, let them understand by them, how much mightier he is that made them.  5  For by the greatness and beauty of the creatures proportionably the maker of them is seen.  6  But yet for this they are the less to be blamed: for they peradventure err, seeking God, and desirous to find him.  7  For being conversant in his works they search him diligently, and believe their sight: because the things are beautiful that are seen.  8  Howbeit neither are they to be pardoned.  9  For if they were able to know so much, that they could aim at the world; how did they not sooner find out the Lord thereof?  10  But miserable are they, and in dead things is their hope, who call them gods, which are the works of men's hands, gold and silver, to shew art in, and resemblances of beasts, or a stone good for nothing, the work of an ancient hand.  11  Now a carpenter that felleth timber, after he hath sawn down a tree meet for the purpose, and taken off all the bark skilfully round about, and hath wrought it handsomely, and made a vessel thereof fit for the service of man's life;

 

Wis 13:13-14 Br-Gr  And taking the very refuse among those which served to no use, being a crooked piece of wood, and full of knots, hath carved it diligently, when he had nothing else to do, and formed it by the skill of his understanding, and fashioned it to the image of a man; [εἰκόνι ἀνθρώπου – same as Rom_1] 14  Or made it like some vile beast, laying it over with vermilion, and with paint colouring it red, and covering every spot therein;

 

 

 

Wis_12:12-15 - Rom_9

 

 

Wis 10:21 Brenton  For wisdom opened the mouth of the dumb, and made the tongues of them that cannot speak eloquent.

 

 

 

Wis 9:1 Brenton  O God of my fathers [Θεὲ πατέρων], and Lord of mercy, who hast made all things with thy word [ἐν λόγῳ σου], 2  And ordained man through thy wisdom, that he should have dominion over the creatures which thou hast made,

 

Wis 9:9 Brenton  And wisdom was with thee: which knoweth thy works, and was present when thou madest the world, and knew what was acceptable in thy sight, and right in thy commandments.

 

 

[also Note!: wisdom = God's Word! same as Pro & NT: Jesus is the wisdom of God]

 

Joh 1:1-3 CAB  In the beginning was the Word [ὁ Λόγος], and the Word [ὁ Λόγος] was with God, and the Word [ὁ Λόγος] was God.  2  He was in the beginning with God.  3  All things came to be through Him, and without Him nothing came to be which has come to be.

 

 

 

 

 

Wis_4:3-6 Brenton  But the multiplying brood of the ungodly shall not thrive, nor take deep rooting from bastard slips <<Heb: then you are illegitimate, and not sons>>, nor lay any fast foundation.  4  For though they flourish in branches for a time; yet standing not last, they shall be shaken with the wind, and through the force of winds they shall be rooted out.  5  The imperfect branches shall be broken off <<Rom_9, 11, etc./ etc.! – broken off branches… based on the idea that they were like Hagar/ inferior>>, their fruit unprofitable, not ripe to eat, yea, meet for nothing <<Mat_5 – without salt = good for nothing/ without fruit of obedience/ twice dead (2Pe_/Jude)/ Mat_7:? / rotten fruit>>.  6  For children begotten of unlawful beds are witnesses of wickedness against their parents in their trial.

 

 

 

"Dependance"

 

seems to be an illusion with:

Wis_7:26

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Heb_3:1

 

 

Exo_3:14

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Rev_1:4

 

 

Intertestimal Period Predicted

- Psa_74:9; Amo_8:11; Mic_5:3 (also v. 1-2);

 

Mar_10:19

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Sir_4:1

 

 

No Gap

Mat_11:13 KJV  For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

 

Doesn't this suggest that there was no gap between the Old and New Testaments? It doesn't say, "they spoke, and then stopped for 400 years"

 

 

Modern editions

All King James Bibles published before 1640 included the Apocrypha. In 1826, the British and Foreign Bible Society decided to refuse to distribute Bibles containing the Apocrypha. Since then most modern editions of the Bible and re-printings of the King James Bible omit the Apocrypha section. Many modern reprintings of the Clementine Vulgate and Douay-Rheims version no longer contain the Apocrypha section. Many of the more modern translations and revisions do not contain an apocrypha section at all.

[140yrs later]...The American Bible Society lifted restrictions on the publication of Bibles with the Apocrypha in 1964. The British and Foreign Bible Society followed in 1966.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha]

 

 

Jesus Celebrated Honica, instituted in the Book of Machabees

 

When Jesus said, "it will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles..." this speaks directly of the first AntiChrist even that can to a close with these typs of words:

1Ma_4:60 KJVA  At that time also they builded up the mount Sion with high walls and strong towers round about, lest the Gentiles should come and tread it down as they had done before.

 

 

 Jam_1:19 shows dependence on Sir_5:11, Heb_1:3 on Wis_7:26, Heb_11:35 on 2Mac_6, Rom_9:21 on Wis_15:7, 2Co_5:1, 4 on Wis_9:15, etc.

 

Sir_5:11

Sir_5:11  Be swift to hear; and let thy life be sincere; and with patience give answer.

Sir_5:11  Γίνου ταχὺς ἐν ἀκροάσει σου καὶ ἐν μακροθυμίᾳ φθέγγου ἀπόκρισιν.

Jam_1:19  ...στω2077 V-PXM-3S ...ταχυς5036 A-NSM  εις1519 PREP  το3588 T-ASN  ακουσαι191 V-AAN  βραδυς1021 A-NSM  εις1519 PREP  το3588 T-ASN  λαλησαι2980 V-AAN  βραδυς1021 A-NSM  εις1519 PREP  οργην3709 N-ASF  

Jam_1:19  ...be2077 swift5036 to hear,191 slow1021 to speak,2980 slow1021 to1519 wrath:3709

 

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03267a.htm:

There are close affinities of thought, and in some cases also of language, between 1Pe_1:6-7, and Wis_3:5-6; Heb_1:3, and Wis_7:26-27; 1Co_10:9-10, and Jud_8:24-25; 1Co_6:13, and Ecc_36:20.

 

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08554a.htm

St. Jerome, while rejecting in theory those books which he did not find in his Hebrew manuscript, yet consented to translate Judith because "the Synod of Nicaea is said to have accounted it as Sacred Scripture" (Praef. in Lib.). It is true that no such declaration is to be found in the Canons of Nicaea, and it is uncertain whether St. Jerome is referring to the use made of the book in the discussions of the council, or whether he was misled by some spurious canons attributed to that council, but it is certain that the Fathers of the earliest times have reckoned Judith among the canonical books; thus St. Paul seems to quote the Greek text of Judith, viii, 14, in I Cor., ii, 10 (cf. also 1Co_10:10, with Jud_8:25). In the early Christian Church we find it quoted as part of Scripture in the writing of St. Clement of Rome (First Epistle ot the Corinthians, lv), Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and Tertullian.

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Wisdom

 

Wisdom & Matthew

Parallels between Wisdom and Matthew include the theme of testing, and the mocking of a servant of God's claim to be protected by God. Matthew's gospel teaches that Jesus is the suffering servant of God. This allusion can be seen in other passages throughout the Bible:

 

Mat_27:43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, 'I am the Son of God.

Mat_27:43 GNT  πέποιθεν ἐπὶ τὸν Θεόν, ῥυσάσθω νῦν αὐτόν, εἰ θέλει αὐτόν· εἶπε γὰρ ὅτι Θεοῦ εἰμι Υἱός.

Wis_2:13, Wis_17-18 He professeth to have the knowledge of God: and he calleth himself the child of the Lord [παῖδα κυρίου ἑαυτὸν ὀνομάζει]... Let us see if his words be true... For if the just man be the son of God [υἱὸς θεοῦ], he will help him, and deliver him.

Psa_22:8 He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.

 

The Matthew passage is similar in language and theme to the Wisdom passage, which in turn alludes to the suffering servant of Psalms 22. The Matthew passage more closely reflects the language of Wisdom than of the Psalm, especially in the use of the phrase "the Son of God" which does not appear in the Psalm.

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Sira

In the New Testament

 

Some people claim that there are several allusions to the book of Sirach in the New testament. These include The magnificat in Luk_1:52 following Sir_10:14, the description of the seed in Mar_4:5,16-17 following Sir_40:15, and Christ's statement in 7:16,20 following Sir_27:6.[2]

 

The distinguished patristic scholar Henry Chadwick has claimed that in Mat_11:28 Jesus was directly quoting Sir_51:27.[3]

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Should be said a direct reference, not a direct quote

Mat_11:28 δευτε 1205(5773)[COME] προς 4314[TO] με 3165[ME,] παντες 3956[ALL] οι 3588[YE THAT] κοπιωντες 2872(5723)[LABOUR] και 2532[AND] πεφορτισμενοι 5412(5772)[ARE BURDENED,] καγω 2504[AND I] αναπαυσω 373(5692)[WILL GIVE REST] υμας 5209[YOU.]

 

Sir_51:27  ἴδετε ἐν ὀφθαλμοῖς ὑμῶν ὅτι ὀλίγον ἐκοπίασα καὶ εὗρον ἐμαυτῷ πολλὴν ἀνάπαυσιν.

Sir_51:27  Behold with your eyes, how that I have but little labour, and have gotten unto me much rest.

 

Sir_51:26  Put your neck under the yoke, and let your soul receive instruction: she is hard at hand to find.

Sir_51:26  τὸν τράχηλον ὑμῶν ὑπόθετε ὑπὸ ζυγόν, καὶ ἐπιδεξάσθω ἡ ψυχὴ ὑμῶν παιδείαν. ἐγγύς ἐστιν εὑρεῖν αὐτήν.

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Mat_11:29 αρατε 142(5657) τον 3588[TAKE] ζυγον 2218 μου 3450[MY YOKE] εφ 1909[UPON] υμας 5209[YOU,] και 2532[AND] μαθετε 3129(5628)[LEARN] απ 575[FROM] εμου 1700[ME,] οτι 3754[FOR] πραος 4235[MEEK] ειμι 1510(5748)[I AM] και 2532[AND] ταπεινος 5011 τη 3588[LOWLY] καρδια 2588[IN HEART;] και 2532[AND] ευρησετε 2147(5692)[YE SHALL FIND] αναπαυσιν 372 ταις 3588[REST] ψυχαις 5590 υμων 5216[TO YOUR SOULS.]

Mat_11:30 ο 3588 γαρ 1063[FOR] ζυγος 2218 μου 3450[MY YOKE] χρηστος 5543[EASY] και 2532 το 3588[AND] φορτιον 5413[BURDEN] μου 3450[MY] ελαφρον 1645[LIGHT] εστιν 2076(5748)[IS.]

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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05263a.htm

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Baruch

 

Use in the New Testament

 

    * Luk_13:29 bears relation to Bar_4:37 [2].

    * Joh_3:13 bears relation to Bar_3:29 (ibid.).

    * 1Co_10:20 bears relation to Bar_4:7 (ibid.).

    * Joh_1:14 bears relation to Bar_3:38 as well as to Lev_26:11-12, 1Ki_8:27, and Psa_85:9.

 

 

Josiahs says:

Tob 14 has incredible prophetic insite in to escatology even unto the second diaspora!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...

Heb_11:35 refers to an event that was only explicitly recorded in one of the deuterocanonical books (2Ma_7)

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...

Athanasius believed that they were useful for reading, but that, except for Baruch, they were not in the canon.

...

2Ma_2:1-32 Maccabees may be referring to The Epistle of Jeremy in chapter 2 verses 1-3.

 

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Yod quotes:

 

"If, (say they (d),) all the nations of the world were gathered together, "to root one word out of the law", they could not do it; which you may learn from Solomon, who sought to root "one letter out of the law", the letter "jod", in Deu_17:16 but the holy blessed God said, Solomon shall cease, and an hundred such as he (in the Talmud (e) it is a thousand such as he) ויוד ממך אינה בטילה לעולם, "but, jod shall not cease from thee (the law) for ever".''

 

And elsewhere the same expression is used (f), and it is added,

 

"ljbm ynya Kmm huwqw, "but a tittle from thee shall not perish."''

 

 

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The Greeks use the word Anagignoskomena to describe those books of the Greek Septuagint which are not present in the Hebrew Tanakh. These books include the entire Catholic deuterocanon listed above, plus the following additional texts:

3 Maccabees

4 Maccabees

1 Esdras (also included in the Clementine Vulgate)

Odes which includes the Prayer of Manasses

Psalm 151

 

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Ezra (1 Esdras) Nehemiah (2 Esdras)

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Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox

Tobit

Judith

1 Maccabees

2 Maccabees

Wisdom
(Wisdom of Solomon)

Ben Sira (Ecclesiasticus) (Wisdom of Sirach)

Baruch

Letter of Jeremiah - Considered as part of Baruch in Roman Catholic Tradition

Additions to Daniel

Additions to Esther

Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox

1 Esdras (3 Esdras)

3 Maccabees

4 Maccabees

Book of Odes (includes Prayer of Manasseh)

Psalm 151

Russian and Oriental Orthodox

2 Esdras (4 Esdras)

Oriental Orthodox

Jubilees

Enoch

 

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The deuterocanonical scriptural texts are:

Tobit

Judith

·     Rest of Esther (Vulgate Est_10:4-16:24)

Wisdom

Ben Sira, also called Sirach or Ecclesiasticus

Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah

·     The Additions to Daniel _

Song of the Three Children (Vulgate Dan_3:24-90)

Story of Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13)

The Idol Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14)

1 Maccabees

2 Maccabees

The Apocrypha section of the King James Bible includes, in addition to the deuterocanonical books, the following three books, which are not in the Catholic canon:

1 Esdras (also known as 3 Esdras)

2 Esdras (also known as 4 Esdras)

Prayer of Manasses

 

 

 

5.21.07

from

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03267a.htm

 

THE CANON AMONG THE ALEXANDRIAN JEWS (DEUTEROCANONICAL BOOKS)

 

The most striking difference between the Catholic and Protestant Bibles is the presence in the former of a number of writings which are wanting in the latter and also in the Hebrew Bible, which became the Old Testament of Protestantism. These number seven books: Tobias (Tobit), Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, I and II Machabees, and three documents added to protocanonical books, viz., the supplement to Esther, from x, 4, to the end, the Canticle of the Three Youths (Song of the Three Children) in Daniel, iii, and the stories of Susanna and the Elders and Bel and the Dragon, forming the closing chapters of the Catholic version of that book. Of these works, Tobias and Judith were written originally in Aramaic, perhaps in Hebrew; Baruch and I Machabees in Hebrew, while Wisdom and II Machabees were certainly composed in Greek. The probabilities favour Hebrew as the original language of the addition to Esther, and Greek for the enlargements of Daniel.

 

 

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Notes

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Created: ‎Tuesday, ‎August ‎10, ‎2010, ‎11:26:36 AM

Modified: Wednesday, ‎November ‎16, ‎2011, ‎12:16:53 PM

 

 

 

Beyond Appocrypha – Book Symbles for Extra Books

 

85A         Psalm of Solomon

86A         Odes

73A         Epistle of Jeremiah

 

67A         Tobit

68A         Judith

69A         Esther, Greek

70A         Wisdom of Solomon

71A         Ecclesiasticus (Sira

72A         Baruch

74A         Prayer of Azariah

75A         Susanna

76A         Bel and the Dragon

77A         1 Maccabees

78A         2 Maccabees

79A         3 Maccabees

80A         4 Maccabees

81A         1 Esdras

82A         2 Esdras

83A         Prayer of Manasseh

84A         Psalm 151

 

Scriptural Integrity

10/1/01 (Word: Created); 7/24/04 (Word: Modified); 2/21/17 (recompiled)

 

>> replace all in NIV references with CAB

 

People Should Have & Maintain Integrity from the Bible

 

RO 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. [22] Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools [23] and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

 

 

PS 14:1 The fool says in his heart,

    "There is no God."

  They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;

    there is no one who does good.

 

1PE 3:13 Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good? [14] But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. "Do not fear what they fear; do not be frightened." [15] But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, [16] keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. [17] It is better, if it is God's will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

 

Canonization

 

DA 9:1 In the first year of Darius son of Xerxes (a Mede by descent), who was made ruler over the Babylonian kingdom-- [2] in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, understood from the Scriptures, according to the word of the LORD given to Jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of Jerusalem would last seventy years. [3] So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.

(We know that Jeremiah and Daniel  where written very close together

   Most say: Jeremiah: 7th Cen BC, and Danial 6th Cent BC )

 

2PE 3:14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. [15] Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. [16] He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

 

Jer 10:23 KJVA  O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

 

 

Pro 3:5-6 KJVA  Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.  6  In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

 

OT new about Heaven and Hell

 

· Ps 35

“Their prosperity is in this life”

 

Canonization: Closed Cannon?

6/20/14; 2/21/17 (recompiled)

Tags: Cannanization

 

From the very beginning of the official Hebrew Bible, Moses firmly predicted continued prophecy and revelation after his departure. Jesus also sealed His followers with the monotheistic spirit of God and assured those who were sent out to govern His assembly that God would continue to speak through them.

 

Truth has always flowed from Adam, Moses, the other prophets, Jesus, His stationed away apostles, and the early Church.

Heretical Apostates have always been the only ones liberal enough to boldly defend unbelief and preach atheism against what God is currently speaking in the earth right now.

 

Saul's blaspheming son (that threw rocks), Naball, and the other unbelievers tried to shut the door of prophecy in the face of those contemporary heros who convicted their guilty soul.

 

The saducess eventually took up their legacy of heresy, atheim, and liberal unbelief in seeking to undermine the faith of the original pharisees.

 

Eazra and the original scribes and the original pharisees reinforced the continuance of prophecy by compiling their current scriptures. They recieved the open cannon that continued through David, and the prophets, right on up unto their current day.

 

Post-Joshua atheistic unbelievers

Saducess

Unbelievers against Jesus

Unbelievers against Paul (some of whom had infiltrated Galatia and Corinth)

 

Apostate Jews of Jamnia in 90 ad tried to retroacticely close the cannon with Ezra -contrary to his example- sacrificing their own recent Scriptures (the "apocrypha") in order to cut off the spread of possible "christian scriptures" (note: that is always the wrong way to oppose what you do not like -- cut off good to deny what you disagree with)

 

- Muslems - who say that Mohamid was the "last prophet of god"

- Protestants - who tried to insane-ly introduce Jamnia's anti-christian apostacy in-between the two covenants while hypocitially claiming to recieve the new test!

 

- most intentionally dead churches today blasphemously act like it is a fundamental virtue of absolute orthodoxy to zealously deny any claim to continued revelation from God.

How absurd can it get, where even today parot preahers perversly fight to define othodoxy as unbelief!

(they loudly repeate and squak the things they have been told in semetary and harloty houses without even really understanding the implications of the words they speak)

They fallow their father the devil by walking in the footsteps of the unbeliving saducess, and they forget the words of Paul who claimed to be fulfilling the hope and faith of the original pharisees by believing in the resurrection of the dead... And at this appeal, even some pharisees temporarily defended him against the saducess, because "an angel might have spoken to him"!

 

The popular liberal leaders of the religious establishment were unbeliving heretics, denying Moses' predictions of continued prophecy just as the hypocritical Dead church leaders do today.

 

From the legacy of heros like Moses and Ezrah to the perfectly continued testimony of the apostles and their imediate disciples which were left in charge of the faithful and miricle-working assemblies, Jesus still demands that we give a faithful jugement of those who claim to be apostles and righteously afirm if people like John the Baptist are speaking the word of God from Heven, or from men.

 

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Rev_11 Proves an Open Cannon

9/6/16

 

The very fundamental fact of the two witnesses absolutely proves that the New Testament cannon is not closed.

We are supposed to be awaiting the new proclamations of the two witnesses.

When they testify, without any contradiction, their Words will obviously be the Words of God, and they will be just as much Scripture as anything else we have in Bibles today.

This is not some huge novelty or wierd fring theology.

This is very solid and clear and obvious truth that no one can deny without being a raving satan worshiper.

 

There are prophecies yet to be fulfilled and there are REAL prophets who are yet to be revealed.

The Bible is true, and it is absolutely clear that is is an unfished work untill all things are completed.

 

Don't judge the scene of evil churchianity based on a heretical and demonic assumption that it is good.

Don't judge based on your non-cannonical experience which is a result of evil hatred and apostacy.

 

 

 

Bible Difficulties

Answering Bible challenges, Bible difficulties, Bible paradoxes, and disproving supposed “Bible contradictions”

7/19/04 (original title: “BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS”); 7/22/04 (Word: Modified); 2/20/17 (recompiled); 2/2/19

All scripture quotations from the NKJV unless noted otherwise.

 

-- under construction --

 

Being honest and Truly scientific and learning Letteral Obedience and hopefully obtaining Divine help is the answer to all “Bible Difficulties”

 

>> see/merge: LO!!!!!!

 

 

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Other date(s); 3/31/19

 

Due to human Translation, not the actual Divine text

Act_27:10

 

1Ti_5:1 vs. 1Ti_5:20 -- just English versions… clearly this is not a different doctrine or an accident in writing

 

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1Co_4:5 vs. 1Co_5:3, etc. – not a contradiction, just miss-mistranslation and countless years of heresy

 

Mother vs James & John

Mat_20:28 (Mat_20:20-28)

Mat_20:27 – Διακονος… Δουλος = no rights

Mar_10:44-45 (Mar_10:31, Mar_10:35-45

 

>> see: LLO

 

Variation of details does not discredit peoples testimony, but proves non-collusion and that their testimony is authentic…

 

Just interview to witnesses of a fire and you will get various different details and that proves their witness is actually true….

 

See: INSP / LOGIC

Truth is very frequently counter-intuitive (otherwise, everyone would know it and it would not be TRUTH!) -- and the Bible is full of paradoxes… but it is NEVER illogical!

 

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Christian disunity versus biblical unity promises

Christian inconsistency

inconsistencies in Christianity do not contradict the Bible

9/14/19

 

Jesus prayed that His people would be 1 and there are even guarantees that He will build His church and that He will have a bride in the very end times...

 

but it is important to keep in mind that this is not a Bible contradiction with the status of Christianity today, or failure of prophecy, or a failure of the ideals of what is expected in the Bible, since none of these promises have anything to do with modern churchianity...

 

Christianity is not the bride of Christ today but the harlot of antichrist and is 4 spoken and prophesied countless times throughout the scriptures / Old and New testament

 

 

 

I've had people say that all of these denominations and Christians that disagree weakens my point but actually this establishes my very point...

 

saying or thinking such things just shows that you have not thought this issue through, or even considered my point

 

the fact that Jews have apostated (no head coverings, no Messiah faith) does not disprove the Jewish Scriptures since the scriptures themselves predict the apostasy of the Jews from the beginning starting even with Moses himself...

>> Scrip: \

 

likewise also in the exact same way the apostasy of churchianity and its divisions and its disagreements and its follies and its contradictions and it's shameful and illogical fallacies do not disprove the Bible at all, but in fact they proved that the New Testament Scriptures are accurate when they predict the apostasy of church people...

 

Lord, Lord

9/14/19

 

in one place it seems to say that you can't say Jesus is Lord without God being in you and another place it seems like calling Him Lord is not good enough at all to get you in heaven

 

Only Begotten Son?

Other dates; 9/14/19-9/15/19

 

Only kind generated

 

with a doctrine so seemingly Central as this you would think that there wouldn't seem to be contradictions in the Bible about it...

 

Why do Bibles seem to call JC only begotten even after taking about other children of God?

Example: 1st John

 

God’s other “children” include…

·        angels (comp. Job MT and LXX)

·        righteous people

·        all other humans (in the sense of God’s offspring, while at the same time being immediate products of the Devil -- another non-contradiction BTW)

 

only begotten son” is a favorite term for John.

There is one other place outside of John’s writing in the NT that uses this term…

 

Abraham was a perfect example parable of God:

·        Father of many nations = God the Father

·        Sacrificed his willing son

·        Had an “only begotten son”…….  So: perfect, right?

·        WAIT A MINUT! ----- Abraham had more than one son!!!!!

 

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Take no thought for the morrow…

Vs.

Prepare or worse than unbeliever…

 

You make the Word of God of no effect

Vs.

Word will not return void

Word of God cannot be broken

>> TSK

 

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Fig Tree

 

VGNT:

παραχρῆμα διὰ χιρός, “directly from hand to hand” (Edd.), a common phrase in monetary transactions, see further Berger Strafklauseln p. 78 f. The word is associated with delay for a month in such a passage as P Amh II. 49.5 (B.C. 108) ἀποτεισάτωσαν ἐν τῷ ἐχομένωι μην<> ἡμιόλιον παραχρῆμα. On the other hand notice the emphatic εὐθὺς κ̣αὶ παραχρῆμα in P Strass I. 35.17 (iv/v A.D.) :  cf. Dalman

 

 

Luk_4:39  AndG2532 standingG2186 aboveG1883 her,G1473 he reproachedG2008 theG3588 fever;G4446 andG2532 it leftG863 her.G1473 And immediatelyG3916 G1161 rising upG450 she servedG1247 to them.G1473 

 

Luk_5:25  καιG2532CONJ καί and παραχρημαG3916ADV παραχρῆμα at the thing itself ανασταςG450V-2AAP-NSM ἀνίστημι to stand up ενωπιονG1799ADV ἐνώπιον in the face of αυτωνG846P-GPM αὐτός he, she, it αραςG142V-AAP-NSM αἴρω to lift up εφG1909PREP ἐπί superimposition οG3739R-ASN ὅς who, which ναβ [ωG3739R-DSN ὅς who, which] τσ κατεκειτοG2621V-INI-3S κατάκειμαι to lie down απηλθενG565V-2AAI-3S ἀπέρχομαι to go off ειςG1519PREP εἰς to τονG3588T-ASM  the οικονG3624N-ASM οἶκος a dwelling αυτουG846P-GSM αὐτός he, she, it δοξαζωνG1392V-PAP-NSM δοξάζω glorious τονG3588T-ASM  the θεονG2316N-ASM θεός god 

 

Luk_19:11  ακουοντωνG191V-PAP-GPM ἀκούω to hear δεG1161CONJ δέ but αυτωνG846P-GPM αὐτός he, she, it ταυταG5023D-APN οὗτος these things προσθειςG4369V-2AAP-NSM προστίθημι to place additionally ειπενG2036V-2AAI-3S ἔπω to speak παραβοληνG3850N-ASF παραβολή a similitude διαG1223PREP διά through τοG3588T-ASN  the εγγυςG1451ADV ἐγγύς near [αυτονG846P-ASM αὐτός he, she, it] τσβ ειναιG1511V-PXN εἰμί to exist ιερουσαλημG2419N-PRI Ἱερουσαλήμ Hierusalem αυτονG846P-ASM αὐτός he, she, it να καιG2532CONJ καί and δοκεινG1380V-PAN δοκέω to think αυτουςG846P-APM αὐτός he, she, it οτιG3754CONJ ὅτι that, because παραχρημαG3916ADV παραχρῆμα at the thing itself μελλειG3195V-PAI-3S μέλλω to intend ηG3588T-NSF  the βασιλειαG932N-NSF βασιλεία royalty τουG3588T-GSM  the θεουG2316N-GSM θεός god αναφαινεσθαιG398V-PPN ἀναφαίνω to show 

 

Act_16:33  καιG2532CONJ καί and παραλαβωνG3880V-2AAP-NSM παραλαμβάνω to receive near αυτουςG846P-APM αὐτός he, she, it ενG1722PREP ἔν in εκεινηG1565D-DSF ἐκεῖνος that one τηG3588T-DSF  the ωραG5610N-DSF ὥρα an hour τηςG3588T-GSF  the νυκτοςG3571N-GSF νύξ night ελουσενG3068V-AAI-3S λούω to bathe αποG575PREP ἀπό off τωνG3588T-GPF  the πληγωνG4127N-GPF πληγή a stroke καιG2532CONJ καί and εβαπτισθηG907V-API-3S βαπτίζω to immerse αυτοςG846P-NSM αὐτός he, she, it καιG2532CONJ καί and οιG3588T-NPM  the αυτουG846P-GSM αὐτός he, she, it παντεςG3956A-NPM πᾶς all παραχρημαG3916ADV παραχρῆμα at the thing itself 

 

Act_5:10

 

 

 

 

 

Strange LXX Usage as a Synynim to Immediately

Job_5:3 WEB  I have seen the foolish taking root, but suddenly I cursed his habitation.

Job_5:3 LB  And I have seen foolish ones taking root, but suddenly their dwelling place was devoured.

Job_5:3  ἐγὼ δὲ ἑώρακα ἄφρονας ῥίζαν βάλλοντας, ἀλλ᾿ εὐθέως ἐβρώθη αὐτῶν ἡ δίαιτα.

Job_5:3  And IG1473 G1161 have seenG3708 foolsG878 [2rootG4491 1laying];G906 andG2532 I cursedG2672 G3588 their attractivenessG2143 G1473 immediately.G3916 

Job_5:3  εγω δεG1473 G1161 εωρακαG3708 αφροναςG878 ριζαςG4491 βαλλονταςG906 καιG2532 κατηρασαμηνG2672 τηνG3588 ευπρεπειαν αυτωνG2143 G1473 παραχρημαG3916 

 

the fig tree -- continued…

7/11/19

 

>> Scrip:

rapidly withering hand examples of Moses and the Josiah prophesying prophet

 

typical time fulfilling withering of plants and other examples

 

we have to make a choice about whether we decide to consider Matthew 21 as describing a rapid withering or as a normal withering that takes the normal course of time...

 

 

when it says that the tree is dried from The Roots this does imply that the water supply was cut off from the ground and it would take a normal course of time for the tree to result in drying out

 

 

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See:

The Perpetual Burning of Sodom and Gomorah

Not a contradiction because it was burning perpetually…..

 

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John_3:16 "only begotten" vs the Bible saying other children of God incl angels sometimes, and also the righteous

Abraham sacrifice uses same word.

now we know for sure that this is not a "mistake" because it is intentional...

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Mat_7: “I never knew you”

12/16/18

 

But God is “omniscient” and knows all things, right?

Wiki/Google: omniscient

No, this is not a “Bible contradiction”

Greek: Knowing UPON

Just because the English translators are incompetent does not logically imply that the Bible is wrong -- that does not logically follow

Knowing UPON = an emphatic intensification (as with all directional compound in Greek)

Knowing is one thing, but putting that knowledge “UPON” someone so that you knowledge involves contact is a different thing

there is either the potential for the Holy to redeem the weak, or the unclean to profane the holy -- therefore it is very logical and understandable why the Divine would withhold coming in contact with a pervert -- God has no interest in “defiling himself” with an unclean pervert (even though all church people seem to universally assume this crazy notion)

 

 

 

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12/14/18

Mat_10:10; Mar_6:8; Luk_9:3 -- Jesus did not say “Don’t take a staff”, that’s just your own illiteracy and incompetence to pay attention.

 

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Bible Difficulties / Bible Challenges / 'Bible Contradictions'

6/16/13; 7/26/14

 

percieved false, but still true: examples:

>> Story That illustrates the Danger of assuming something to be false based on our disadvantaged perspective:

>> FSR: hecler said my facts were wrong, but he was basing that on AG policy instead of actual fact

 

 

1. I wanted to know what to do about things/accounts in the Bible that don't seem to agree. For example in 2_Ch 16:12-13 It says that Asa grew sick in his foot in the 39th year of his reign and died in the 39th year of his reign, but in 1Ki_15:9 it says that he reigned 41 yrs. in Jerusalem.

 

2. I also wanted to know about king Asa. In 2Ch_16:10-12 there seems to be a character flaw with Asa before he died, but in 1Ki_15:14 it says that Asa's heart was perfect with the Lord all his days, and I was trying to reconcile those two things. So what he did with the prophet Hanani, that was not a character flaw?

 

At least my readings are based on the NETS/LXX. In the other versions Brenton slightly and the KJV they seem to want to make the years agree in the different accounts (though I did not look at all the accounts in the other versions), but in the NETS/LXX the accounts with their numbers don't seem to agree.

 

Other examples include:

 

King Baasa: It says that he was king in Asa's 3rd yr. of reign and reigned for 24 yrs. (1Ki_15:33), and it says that in the 38th year of Asa he went up against him and built Rama? (2Ch_16:1), but it says that his son Ela reigned after him in the 20th year of Asa (1Ki_16:6).

 

King Josaphat: Began reign in Ambri's (Ahab's father) 11th yr. of reign (1Ki_16:28a), but in 1Ki_22:41 it says that he became king in Ahabs 4th year of reign. So in one account he comes king before Ahab, and in another account he becomes king after Ahab.

 

King Ahab: King after his father died in Josaphat's 2nd year of reign (1Ki_16:28-29), but in 1Ki_22:41 Ahab is ruling before Josaphat

 

King David and the Census: 2Sa_24:9 and 1Ch_21:5 (with the numbering -- I used to think that the numbering was off because you weren't supposed to know the number in the first place, that is David was not supposed to take the census), and also with verse one of 1Ch 21, it says Satan stood up against Israel and provoked David to number the people, but in 2Sam_24:1 Its says the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel and he moved David to go and number the people. Would it be with these accounts that God is using Satan to carry out his will, and if so, why then did he get angry @ David taking the census?

 

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Fig Tree

5/18/14; 3/20/18

 

Matthew's "Imediate" Account

Mat 21:18-22 CAB  Now in the early morning, returning to the city, He became hungry.  19  And seeing a fig tree by the road, He went up to it and found nothing on it but leaves, and said to it, "May fruit no longer come from you ever again." And immediately the fig tree withered away.  20  And when the disciples saw it, they marveled, saying, "How did the fig tree wither away so soon?"  21  So Jesus answered and said to them, "Assuredly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you should say to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen.  22  And all things, as many as you may ask in prayer, believing, you shall receive."

Mat 21:18-22 Greek  Πρωΐας δὲ ἐπανάγων εἰς τὴν πόλιν ἐπείνασε·  19  καὶ ἰδὼν συκῆν μίαν ἐπὶ τῆς ὁδοῦ ἦλθεν ἐπ᾿ αὐτήν, καὶ οὐδὲν εὗρεν ἐν αὐτῇ εἰ μὴ φύλλα μόνον, καὶ λέγει αὐτῇ· μηκέτι ἐκ σοῦ καρπὸς γένηται εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα. καὶ ἐξηράνθη παραχρῆμα ἡ συκῆ.  20  καὶ ἰδόντες οἱ μαθηταὶ ἐθαύμασαν λέγοντες· πῶς παραχρῆμα ἐξηράνθη ἡ συκῆ;  21  ἀποκριθεὶς δὲ ὁ ᾿Ιησοῦς εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, ἐὰν ἔχητε πίστιν καὶ μὴ διακριθῆτε, οὐ μόνον τὸ τῆς συκῆς ποιήσετε, ἀλλὰ κἂν τῷ ὄρει τούτῳ εἴπητε, ἄρθητι καὶ βλήθητι εἰς τὴν θάλασσαν, γενήσεται·  22  καὶ πάντα ὅσα ἂν αἰτήσητε ἐν τῇ προσευχῇ πιστεύοντες, λήψεσθε.

 

Peter/Mark's Longer and More Detailed Account

 

Mar 11:11-14 CAB  And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple. And having looked around at all things, the hour already being late, He went out to Bethany with the twelve.  12  Now the next day, after they had come out from Bethany, He was hungry.  13  And seeing from a distance a fig tree having leaves, He went to see if perhaps He would find something on it. And having come to it, He found nothing but leaves, for it was not the time for figs.  14  And answering, Jesus said to it, "May no one eat fruit from you ever again." And His disciples were listening.

Mar 11:11-14 Greek  Καὶ εἰσῆλθεν εἰς ῾Ιεροσόλυμα ὁ ᾿Ιησοῦς καὶ εἰς τὸ ἱερόν· καὶ περιβλεψάμενος πάντα, ὀψίας ἤδη οὔσης τῆς ὥρας, ἐξῆλθεν εἰς Βηθανίαν μετὰ τῶν δώδεκα.  12  Καὶ τῇ ἐπαύριον ἐξελθόντων αὐτῶν ἀπὸ Βηθανίας, ἐπείνασε.  13  καὶ ἰδὼν συκῆν ἀπὸ μακρόθεν ἔχουσαν φύλλα, ἦλθεν εἰ ἄρα τι εὑρήσει ἐν αὐτῇ· καὶ ἐλθὼν ἐπ᾿ αὐτὴν οὐδὲν εὗρεν εἰ μὴ φύλλα· οὐ γὰρ ἦν καιρὸς σύκων.  14  καὶ ἀποκριθεὶς εἶπεν αὐτῇ· μηκέτι ἐκ σοῦ εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα μηδεὶς καρπὸν φάγοι. καὶ ἤκουον οἱ μαθηταὶ αὐτοῦ.

 

 

Mar 11:19-26 CAB  And when it became evening, He was going forth outside of the city.  20  Now in the morning while passing by, they saw the fig tree dried up from its roots.  21  And Peter, remembering, said to Him, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree which You cursed has dried up!"  22  So Jesus answered and said to them, "Have faith in God.  23  For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that the things which he says are coming to pass, what ever he says shall be his.  24  For this reason I say to you, all things whatsoever you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive them, and they will be yours.  25  "And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive, that your Father in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.  26  But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your trespasses."

Mar 11:19-26 Greek  καὶ ὅτε ὀψὲ ἐγένετο, ἐξεπορεύετο ἔξω τῆς πόλεως.  20  Καὶ παραπορευόμενοι πρωῒ εἶδον τὴν συκῆν ἐξηραμμένην ἐκ ῥιζῶν.  21  καὶ ἀναμνησθεὶς ὁ Πέτρος λέγει αὐτῷ· ῥαββί, ἴδε ἡ συκῆ ἦν κατηράσω ἐξήρανται.  22  καὶ ἀποκριθεὶς ὁ ᾿Ιησοῦς λέγει αὐτοῖς· ἔχετε πίστιν Θεοῦ.  23  ἀμὴν γὰρ λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι ὃς ἂν εἴπῃ τῷ ὄρει τούτῳ, ἄρθητι καὶ βλήθητι εἰς τὴν θάλασσαν, καὶ μὴ διακριθῇ ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ αὐτοῦ, ἀλλὰ πιστεύσῃ ὅτι ἃ λέγει γίνεται, ἔσται αὐτῷ ὃ ἐὰν εἴπῃ.  24  διὰ τοῦτο λέγω ὑμῖν, πάντα ὅσα προσευχόμενοι αἰτεῖσθε, πιστεύετε ὅτι λαμβάνετε, καὶ ἔσται ὑμῖν.  25  καὶ ὅταν στήκετε προσευχόμενοι, ἀφίετε εἴ τι ἔχετε κατά τινος, ἵνα καὶ ὁ πατὴρ ὑμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς ἀφῇ ὑμῖν τὰ παραπτώματα ὑμῶν.  26  εἰ δὲ ὑμεῖς οὐκ ἀφίετε, οὐδὲ ὁ πατὴρ ὑμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς ἀφήσει τὰ παραπτώματα ὑμῶν.

 

Note: Even if Matthew intended a Sci-Fi Sceen, it would then be evident from these two accounts that

 

Immediately = The Next Thing That Happened

Luk_8:55

Luk_19:11

Act_9:18

Act_16:33

 

>> the process started imediately, without reference to how long it took to end

 

Plants Take A While to Wither When You Cut off Their Water Supply

Mark 4:17

 

Mat_13:6

> Mat_13:21

 

Luk_8:6

Jas_1:11

 

Conclusion

 

I am afraid that we are usually thinking of a Sci-fi scene where the withering process was "played back at 1000% speed", but that seems to be our 21st century expectation / predisposition which we are mistakenly imposing on the narrative. When they say a plant withered next to the last thing that happened (represented as "imediately" in English), they did not imagine a sci-fi scene. They knew what was involved in a plan withering, and to them, if it happened right after Jesus' curse, that was a rather quick withering!

With less TV and more patient observance, it is expected for them to say that the withering happened "immediately" next to (and after) the useful thing which was spoken by Jesus.

 

"immediately it withered" -- other verses (such as the parable of the seeds) help us understand that this phrase does not necessarily speak of a supernaturally sped up process, but rather, a supernatural correlation in the order of events -- i.e. the very fact that the tree responded to Jesus! This is the striking supernatural fact that you get from both accounts, and it is probably the only supernatural emphasis in both accounts. From this, it does not appear that Matthew ever intended his readers to have a Sci-Fi sceen in their head when reading his Gospel, and this shows that Matthew and Mark have been agreeing all along until our entertainment and TV-stimulated generation came along!

 

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That is a fast withering relative to all other witherings. It is significant because it perished under the verbal rebuke of Jesus.

 

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https://www.google.com/search?q=Noncontradiction

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_noncontradiction

https://carm.org/dictionary-law-of-non-contradiction

 

Paradox / Notice Scientific Details

... he will NOT forsake, then...

Deu 31:17-18 -- He will forsake IN THAT DAY

>> Sync: BIT | LO ????

 

 

Learning Letteral Obedience from the Centurion Story

>> YouTube BBS

 

Mat8

Luk6

3/5/18

 

you have to piece both texts together to get a more complete picture of what happened, but it appears that it happened from both directions: the Centurion began to go toward Jesus, but then considered and stopped himself and sent a delegation instead, and Jesus began to go toward the Centurion but then was stopped from completing His trip to the centurion's house by the surprising and marvelous faith of the Centurion.

 

Yes, you may indeed have gotten the wrong impression when you read one or the other text, but there is nothing in the actual words themselves that actually contradict each other or say something that is proven to be even technically incorrect (in every sense in which you look at it).

 

if you are actually thinking be honest, notice that the error is not actually in the Words themselves but in the way that you view the world and the way that you understand the information that goes into your ears.

 

 

 

the reputation of the Bible itself precedes itself, and there is way too much weighty evidence in favor of the Bible to so easily trip because we don't understand the details.

it is sad on our behalf that we are in such a pitiful state of lacking understanding, but sometimes we have to focus on the big picture and the major point of what is being told to us and Trust the details into Heaven's hands, because we are not that smart, and we are definitely messed up morally, not to mention academically... and in countless other ways. Our perception is obviously compromised and messed up, and the Bible obviously sees way more than you can possibly imagine.

 

>> Scrip:

indeed, the weakness of God is stronger than the strength of men!

 

the righteousness of the Truth so powerfully saves the poor & humble, even when they don't understand all the details of what it is saying.

 

The fact that the Bible is True and yet we run into these troubles when trying to read it, proves that God is willing to Divinely inspire the human process of relating stories, even if the way in which those stories are represented seem frail and inadequate for thoroughly communicating to us all of the details and precise understanding that we wish we would have apprehended at first.

 

what is quite shocking and very intriguing and mystifying is that many of the week and Despicable elements that we naturally think would be removed in the process of Divine inspiration are actually left there intentionally just to be a scandal to trip up and Harden those who will not believe.

 

you see, it would be one thing if such paradoxes (or supposed contradictions) were there by accident - if it was an accident and a mistake that would be corrected if the original author had only known, then indeed we could conclude that the Bible would not be perfect. but after paying close attention to all such paradoxes throughout the Bible and being truly scientific and logical and intellectually honest and thorough and studied and doing all due diligence before jumping to rash non-scientific Reckless conclusions, then we would realize that the Bible is not doing these things by accident but by very intentional strategic insistent bold design!

 

now some who do not believe the Bible May indeed be aggravated against me for seeking to defend the Integrity of Gods humbled yet perfect Divinity working through little humans, and it may be even yet more hard to accept this, but you are actually closer to my faith than most church people...

because at least you are forthright in declaring that you don't believe the Bible because of such paradoxes (which you call contradictions) but church people claim to believe the Bible in spite of these difficulties, and yet live in a way that absolutely proves that they don't believe the Truth that is contained in these very passages...

 

whenever we claim to believe the Bible, and then assume that people are not inspired because our foolish Pea-brains think that we have judged their imperfections, and caught them in their weaknesses, we are being enormous Hypocrites and lying fools of Mindless recklessness. our professions of faith in the Bible are absolutely untrue and guilty of fraud, because they do not extend the same mercy and Justice to those who speak the Truth in perfect words that we do not understand perfectly.

we are so quick to assume non inspiration on perfectly inspired righteous humbled poor people, which absolutely proves that we hate and reject the Bible and are fears enemies of the Word of God.

Whoever assumes non inspiration when a poor person speaks is a fierce enemy of the word of God.

 

you no longer have any excuse at all whatsoever, and you have been emptied of all of the strength of your lying boasts... it is high time your wretched and worthless Soul finally repented of assuming non inspiration.

 

a poor humble righteous person may seem frail and might even stutter in their words like Moses, and may not even seem to State details in the most precise way like Matthew and Luke, but if indeed their words open up the mysteries of heaven and reveal how to actually obey the Bible, you can be sure that they have heard the Truth and are speaking to you the Word of God!

........

YouTube:

you will have to pay attention and watch this entire series to get everything that I'm saying, because at the end I'm going to reveal a surprising twist about what I actually believe in why I'm actually saying all of this...

at first you may think that you agree with me but you actually don't, and at first you may think that you disagree with me but you're actually not as far away as you thought...

 

 

 

 

Your Failure to Be Specific is No Excuse to Pretend that the Bible is Contradictory

See: lo -- Your Failure to Be Specific is No Excuse to Pretend that the Bible is Not Literal

 

 

 

The New Testament Was Not Originally Written in Aramaic

3/4/04; 3/6/04; 3/4/17 (recompiled)

 

 

2KI 18:26 Then Eliakim son of Hilkiah, and Shebna and Joah said to the field commander, "Please speak to your servants in Aramaic, since we understand it. Don't speak to us in Hebrew in the hearing of the people on the wall."

 

DA 2:4 Then the astrologers answered the king in Aramaic, "O king, live forever! Tell your servants the dream, and we will interpret it."

 

JN 20:16 Jesus said to her, "Mary."

    She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, "Rabboni!" (which means Teacher).

 

AC 21:40 Having received the commander's permission, Paul stood on the steps and motioned to the crowd. When they were all silent, he said to them in Aramaic: [1] "Brothers and fathers, listen now to my defense." 22:2 When they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet.

 

ÞÞ If it was always spoken so, then it would not need to be specified

 

 

Also the well respected Vines dictionary Shows that some Jews spoke Greek when speaking about the Aramaic word “Abba”:

It approximates to a personal name, in contrast to "Father," with which it is always joined in the NT. This is probably due to the fact that, abba having practically become a proper name, Greek-speaking Jews added the Greek word pater, "father," from the language they used.

(W.E. Vine's M.A., Expository Dictionary of New Testament on “Abba”)

 

This is the types of Jews that the Bible was written to because it associates the Greek word every time with the Aramaic word, even when Jesus uses it!:

Mar 14:36; Rom 8:15 and Gal 4:6

 

- In fact! Jesus definitely spoke Greek because it shows him praying the two “Father” words together as done threw the epistles. “And2532 he said,3004 Abba,5 Father,3962” (Mar 14:36) –The Bible says that He spoke both, and it specifies him as speaking Greek the majority of the time!

Hello?? Many NT books were written to Jews, and they are all written in Greek!

 

Gospel Genealogies

Resolving the Gospel “Genealogies”?

7/12/20; 7/19/20-7/20/20

 

The Gospel “genealogies” appear in Matthew 1 and Luke 3

 

Logical Prerequisite

We all know that there are people who want to believe the Bible and people who want to dis-believe the Bible.

Before encountering any evidence most people have already made up their mind based on their own prejudice and biased preferences.

In order to remove irrational bias and relative prejudice, we have to approach everything strictly and exclusively with logic and science.

In order to do this, we have to judge all texts based exclusively on what they actually say and not based on your personal impression of what they mean.

Both church people and secular people need drastic correction in this area, because both are notorious for irrational assertions of pre-judged and de-educated opinions.

In fact, if you approach the Bible and discuss it and seek to disprove it based on your impression of what it means, this itself is circular reasoning, and an illogical “straw man argument” because the Bible demands that you read it with strict logic as a prerequisite for reading comprehension and serious obedience.

You have to assume the Bible is not true in order to assert your impression of it above what the text literally says.

The Bible itself is a literalist text that claims foolish unbelievers cannot understand it, therefore you have to take it on its own terms to disprove it without the prejudice and bias of predetermined unbelief.

 

The Point: We got to be strictly logical in considering what the Bible actually says when discussing it in order to remove blinding personal bias and judge each text based on what it really saying in order to have honest discussions about it and to consider the objective proof of its nature.

 

True Contradictions Require Proof of Impossibility

Proof of Incompatibility is Required to Verify a Contradiction

 

Interestingly, dis-believers assert that The Gospel “genealogies” clearly contradict each other.

 

There are differences in these Gospel accounts for sure, but up front, it remains to be seen if these differences in these accounts can be accounted for.

 

In order to verify a legitimate contradiction you have to prove that two statements or assertions are impossible to both exist.

 

But even if all we had were these two Biblical texts, we still have not proven a contradiction simply based on these variations in detail.

 

Assuming we were all equally as ignorant of history and Greek and Jewish culture and the Bible in general, we still have to at least start with what we all already know, and even that does not establish that we have a contradiction.

 

And in order for there to be a verified contradiction in The Gospel “genealogies” you have to prove that Joseph and/or his dad were definitely not involved in a Jewish “levirate marriage”.

 

And since no one is bothering to disprove the possibility of a “levirate marriage”, therefore no one has a legitimately verified contradiction, but only and alleged contradiction.

 

Ironically, the only way you can partly show that the variations were not exclusively due to a “levirate marriage” is by otherwise proving the genealogies to be logically consistent, as we can see in a little bit.

 

Now if the only way to dis-prove a “levirate marriage” is to prove that the “genealogies” can be reconciled, then no matter what you do, you end up proving that the “genealogies” are not contradictions.

 

 

It Worked for Them

 

Detectives

https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/how-can-we-trust-the-gospels-when-the-genealogies-are-so-different/

 

they had more information than us.

The Gospels worked for them.

Here we are thousands of years later and we think we have just now realized a contradiction!?

Reality check: they were smarter than us, with more integrity, and MUCH more first-hand information, having lived much closer to the original events.

Real Monotheists throughout history have never continued with any lie or based their hope on shaky and un-proven superstitions.

BTW: now here is one of the REAL reasons dis-believers are so ignorant and unscientific and can never reach the same conclusions as those trying to believe the Bible!

 

The early church quoted freely from both texts and gave up their lives for the sake of this hope.

They absolutely had to verify that these claims were True!

That’s pretty potent historical evidence that we’re missing something, if even they found the Gospels to be True after all of their vigor and intense investigation on the risk of their very lives!

Furthermore, out of the myriads of criticisms and accusation that we have from the Jews, in the Talmud for example, and other secular texts criticizing the original Christians, although they tried very hard to dis prove them, no one actually used the Gospel genealogies against them, but rather infact, in their very accusation they end up proving the inevitability that the genealogies were consistent enough with their own records.

Not only do the Jews avoid using the genealogies against the original Chirstians, they in fact had to argue on a basis of common knowledge back then that acknowledged a key part the very answer to the genealogies that mess us up today!

 

Spoiler: we can not only suspect that they had more information than us based on the testimony and martyrdom of the original Christians, but we can also actually prove that they did have more information than us when we dig up ancient texts that make the Gospel accounts even more believable!

 

In the end we do not dis-prove the Genealogies, we just prove that it was not written for us and our culture and lack of education.

It accomplished its original purpose and worked for those to whom it was originally written.

The fact that we trip up on it, just proves that we are not as compatible for the Bible as they were, and that should not surprise anyone.

 

Geneology vs. Legal-olgy

The Gospel “genealogies” appear in Matthew 1 and Luke 3

Although they are called “genealogies” They are not both proper genealogies.

Matthew 1 is a genealogy proper: so-and-so begot = generated/produced/caused-to-be, as in “Genesis”

Luke 3 is a legal-ology

 

Contacts example-demonstration Proves Non-Contradiction!

·        We can use computer science to prove the Bible

·        With Outlook contacts, gmail, and possibly your Android contacts address book, we can prove the Bible is True!

·        The same basic proof-potential holds true with merging a data-base or excel file (which I might prefer) but for a more common and enticing example we can consider these more common tools

 

Joseph Tied into Miriam’s Line

Joseph was somehow tied into his wife’s legal registration.

This correlates with the context of the previous chapter: Luke 2

Luke 2 actually specifies that ‘Joseph was registered with his wife Marry (Miriam)’ but what we get in Luke 3 shows us that to what extent this even affected his legal identity.

 

This is odd, but not without precedent.

Usually women were married into men’s heritage:

Women are even exhorted to

>>Scrip:

forget your people”

 

And most Jewish lineages are traced exclusively through the man -- as seen in the OT and even in Luke 3!

 

And while women were Usually married into men’s heritage, yet there are a few exceptions:

Moses was associated with Egypt, and then later with his father-in-law

Jacob was temporarily associated with his in-law -- Laban (when acquiring wives from Laban)

But most interestingly and provocatively, not only was the main Joseph of the New Testament associated with his wife’s heritage, though not stated explicitly, this fact surprisingly correlates with the OT Joseph who was also associated with his wife dad: Pharro!

 

 

Miriam in the Talmud

 

 

Jerusalem Talmud (Hagigah Book 77,4)

 

"Jerusalem Talmud: “He saw Miriam the daughter of Eli in the shadows. R. Lazar bar Josah said that she was suspended by the nipples of the breasts."

...

 

"In one of the tractates of the Palestinian Talmud we are given the story of a certain devout person who was privileged to see a vision of some of the punishments in hell. Among other sights.

 

 

"He saw also Miriam, the daughter of Eli Betzalim, suspended, as B. Lazar ben Jose says, by the paps of her breasts. E. Jose ben Chanina says: The hinge of hell's gate was fastened in her ear. He said to them [? the angels of punishment], Why is this done to her? The answer was, Because she fasted and published the fact. Others said, Because she fasted one day, and counted two days (of feasting) as a set-off'. He asked them, How long shall she be so? They answered him, Until Simeon ben Shetach comes; then we shall take it out of her ear and put it into his ear."[l] "

http://gnosis.org/library/grs-mead/jesus_live_100/ch9.html

7/12/20

 

 

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Age Anomalies in Genesis

See: Bible Summaries

Pop: BBSU

 

 

Lions Strangle?

7/12/12; 2/21/17 (recompiled)

 

Nah_2:11-13 WEB  Where is the den of the lions, and the feeding place of the young lions, where the lion and the lioness walked, the lion's cubs, and no one made them afraid?  12  The lion tore in pieces enough for his cubs, and strangled for his lionesses, and filled his caves with the kill, and his dens with prey.  13  "Behold, I am against you," says Yahweh of Armies, "and I will burn her chariots in the smoke, and the sword will devour your young lions; and I will cut off your prey from the earth, and the voice of your messengers will no longer be heard."

>> get LXX, etc.

 

Although he speaks of lions and whelps, the application is to the conqoring king and his princes (the sub-leaders of his kingdom). Wether or not lions usually strangle, victorious nations do certinly do this in exicuting ther enemies.

 

"and strangled for his lionesses; that is, strangled other beasts, as the lion first does, when it seizes a creature, and then tears it in pieces, and brings it to the she lion in the den with its whelps. These "lionesses" design the wives and concubines of the kings of Assyria, among whom they parted the spoils of their neighbours. So the Targum,

 

"kings bring rapine to their wives, and a prey to their children;''

 

that is, riches, which they have taken from others by force and rapine: thus Cicero (r) observes of the kings of Persia and Syria, that they had many wives, and gave cities to them after this manner; this city for their headdress, this for the neck, and the other for the hair; the expenses of them"

(Gill)

 

 

 

 

Apparent Contradictions That Are Not Real!

Real Examples of Apparent Contradictions that Are Actually Both True

2/21/17; …3/19/17

 

When you have approximately more than 40 authors, 3 languages and thousands of years, you have got a lot of details to synchronize.

 

Life Examples of invalid “Contradictions”

soda” -- someone might see a health record that I drank soda, and compare that with reports I’ve given that I drank soda

Resolution: the “soda” I drink is homemade healthy carbonated drink, and not like the unhealthy “dead” “soda” that I and most americans have drunk.

 

“Youth pastor” was not historically recorded as a “pastor” at that church

Resolution: He was, in fact, called a “Youth pastor” by all his disciples, but on paper he was only called a “Youth director” because of a foolish policy in the Assemblies of god.

 

1/9/06

Song: “Younger Women as Sisters”

Date Questions:

·        hand-written notes are dated 1/9/05, but it comes right after “Raises The Dead” which is dated 12/16/05 leading me to conclude that I miss-wrote the date, by writing the recently passed to year instead of the fresh new year’s date.

·        It seems like I wrote this song about one year before meeting my disciples

·        2005 date seems unlikely because I don’t think I returned to Chi Alpha that soon after being kicked out of first assembly in 2004

·        I remember first writing these lyrics in the parking lot as I was seeking to go into Chi Alpha, which seems like it should’ve been on a Friday night, but these dates place it on a Sunday (very unlikely) or Monday (did Chi Alpha temporarily meet on Monday nights?)

 

 

Bible Translations create verbal contradictions -- Luther, NIV, etc.

 

Hecklers: Confusing church traditions for the Bible

 

Shallow atheists who confuse a paradox for a contradiction.

 

Sarchasm, word-play

To Answer a fool according to his folly, or not?

 

There is a big difference between an unintentional accident, and an intentional paradox

·        Acts’ story of Paul’s testimony, and,

·        the rest of the Bible

 

if you went up to the original authors, would they be embarrassed and regretful and change their tune, or would they (almost) laugh at you for being so shallow and foolish?

 

Many of these are not internal problems with the Bible, but follies in the people claiming to read the Bible.

 

 

 

Death Burial & Resurrection Timeline

7/19/04; 2/20/17 (recompiled)

 

Picking up right after the crucifixion…

 

Mat

27:59 When Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and departed. 61 And Mary Magdalene was there, and the other Mary, sitting opposite the tomb.

62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”

65 Pilate said to them, “You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard.

Mk

15:46 …And he [Joseph of Arimathea] laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out of the rock, and rolled a stone against the door of the tomb. 47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joseph observed where He was laid.

Lk

23:55 And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid.

56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Jn

20:1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark,…

[She “went” to the tomb at dark but “came” to the tomb as the sun was rising… See below passages…]

Lk

24:1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, [the women from 23:55-56] and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared… 10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them

Mk

16:1 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 And they said among themselves, “Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?”

Mat

28:1-4 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Mat

 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards  shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.

 

[intertextual variance shows a conscious affirmation that singular descriptions do not exclude extra unmentioned people. -See Mat 27:56 Vs. 28:4- Matthew was not schizophrenic. This is also shown elsewhere over and over in scripture.]

Mk

4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away—for it was very large.

Lk

 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.

Jn

…and [Marie Magdalene] saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. 2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.”

3 Peter therefore went out, and the other disciple, and were going to the tomb. 4 So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first. 5 And he, stooping down and looking in, saw the linen cloths lying there; yet he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, 7 and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself. 8 Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed. 9 For as yet they did not know the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead. 10 Then the disciples went away again to their own homes.

11 But Mary stood outside by the tomb weeping, and as she wept she stooped down and looked into the tomb. 12 And she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

Mk

5 And entering the tomb, they saw a young man clothed in a long white robe sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed.

Lk

24:4 And it happened, as they were greatly perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments. 5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 saying,  ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’ ” 8 And they remembered His words.

Mat

5 But the angel answered and said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you.”

 

 

 

 

 

Matthew

28 

 

Mat

8 So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word. 9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go and tell My brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see Me.”

The Bribery of the Soldiers

11 Now while they were going, behold, some of the guard came into the city and reported to the chief priests all the things that had happened. 12 When they had assembled with the elders and consulted together, they gave a large sum of money to the soldiers, 13 saying, “Tell them, ‘His disciples came at night and stole Him away while we slept.’ 14 And if this comes to the governor’s ears, we will appease him and make you secure.” 15 So they took the money and did as they were instructed; and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.

The Appearance of Jesus to the Disciples

16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.

The Great Commission

18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying,  All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

 

 

Mark

16 

6 But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him. 7 But go, tell His disciples—and Peter—that He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him, as He said to you.”

8 So they went out quickly and fled from the tomb, for they trembled and were amazed. And they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.

The Appearances of Jesus

Luke 24:13–48; John 20:1–10

9 Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons. 10 She went and told those who had been with Him, as they mourned and wept. 11 And when they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they did not believe.

12 After that, He appeared in another form to two of them as they walked and went into the country. 13 And they went and told it to the rest, but they did not believe them either.

14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15 And He said to them,  Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

The Ascension of Jesus

Luke 24:49–53; Acts 1:9

19 So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. 20 And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.

 

Luke

Matt. 28:1–8; Mark 16:1–8; John 20:1–10

24    

9 Then they returned from the tomb and told all these things to the eleven and to all the rest. 10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them, who told these things to the apostles. 11 And their words seemed to them like idle tales, and they did not believe them. 12 But Peter arose and ran to the tomb; and stooping down, he saw the linen cloths lying by themselves; and he departed, marveling to himself at what had happened.

Christ Appears on the Road to Emmaus

Mark 16:12, 13

13 Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them. 16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him.

17 And He said to them,  What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?”

18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?”

19 And He said to them,  What things?”

So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. 21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened. 22 Yes, and certain women of our company, who arrived at the tomb early, astonished us. 23 When they did not find His body, they came saying that they had also seen a vision of angels who said He was alive. 24 And certain of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said; but Him they did not see.”

25 Then He said to them,  O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

28 Then they drew near to the village where they were going, and He indicated that He would have gone farther. 29 But they constrained Him, saying, “Abide with us, for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent.” And He went in to stay with them.

30 Now it came to pass, as He sat at the table with them, that He took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they knew Him; and He vanished from their sight.

32 And they said to one another, “Did not our heart burn within us while He talked with us on the road, and while He opened the Scriptures to us?”

The Proof of His Resurrection

Mark 16:4; John 20:19–23; 1 Cor. 15:5

33 So they rose up that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together, 34 saying, “The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!” 35 And they told about the things that had happened on the road, and how He was known to them in the breaking of bread.

36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them,  Peace to you.” 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. 38 And He said to them,  Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them,  Have you any food here?” 42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 43 And He took it and ate in their presence.

The Great Commission

Acts 1:3–8

44 Then He said to them,  These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

46 Then He said to them,  Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things.

The Ascension

Mark 16:19; Acts 1:9

49  Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”

50 And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them. 51 Now it came to pass, while He blessed them, that He was parted from them and carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, 53 and were continually in the temple praising and blessing God. Amen.

 

 

John

The Resurrection of Christ

Matt. 28:1–8; Mark 16:1–8; Luke 24:1–12

20    

13 Then they said to her,  Woman, why are you weeping?”

She said to them, “Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him.”

14 Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?”

She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, “Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away.”

16 Jesus said to her,  Mary!”

She turned and said to Him, “Rabboni!” (which is to say, Teacher).

17 Jesus said to her,  “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ”

18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that He had spoken these things to her.

Christ Appears to the Disciples (Thomas Absent)

Mark 16:14; Luke 24:36–43

19 Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them,  “Peace be with you.” 20 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.

21 So Jesus said to them again,  Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them,  Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

24 Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said to him, “We have seen the Lord.”

So he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”

Christ Appears to the Disciples (Thomas Present)

1 Cor. 15:5

26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said,  Peace to you!” 27 Then He said to Thomas,  Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”

28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Jesus said to him,  Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

The Purpose of John’s Gospel

30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

Christ Appears to the Seven Disciples

21     After these things Jesus showed Himself again to the disciples at the Sea of Tiberias, and in this way He showed Himself: 2 Simon Peter, Thomas called the Twin, Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two others of His disciples were together. 3 Simon Peter said to them, “I am going fishing.”

They said to him, “We are going with you also.” They went out and immediately got into the boat, and that night they caught nothing. 4 But when the morning had now come, Jesus stood on the shore; yet the disciples did not know that it was Jesus. 5 Then Jesus said to them,  Children, have you any food?”

They answered Him, “No.”

6 And He said to them,  Cast the net on the right side of the boat, and you will find some. So they cast, and now they were not able to draw it in because of the multitude of fish.

7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord!” Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put on his outer garment (for he had removed it), and plunged into the sea. 8 But the other disciples came in the little boat (for they were not far from land, but about two hundred cubits), dragging the net with fish. 9 Then, as soon as they had come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid on it, and bread. 10 Jesus said to them,  Bring some of the fish which you have just caught.”

11 Simon Peter went up and dragged the net to land, full of large fish, one hundred and fifty-three; and although there were so many, the net was not broken. 12 Jesus said to them,  Come and eat breakfast.” Yet none of the disciples dared ask Him, “Who are You?”—knowing that it was the Lord. 13 Jesus then came and took the bread and gave it to them, and likewise the fish.

14 This is now the third time Jesus showed Himself to His disciples after He was raised from the dead.

Christ Speaks to Peter

15 So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter,  Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me more than these?”

He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.”

He said to him,  Feed My lambs.”

16 He said to him again a second time,  Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?”

He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.”

He said to him,  Tend My sheep.”

17 He said to him the third time,  Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time,  Do you love Me?”

And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.”

Jesus said to him,  Feed My sheep. 18 Most assuredly, I say to you, when you were younger, you girded yourself and walked where you wished; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish.” 19 This He spoke, signifying by what death he would glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He said to him,  Follow Me.”

20 Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following, who also had leaned on His breast at the supper, and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” 21 Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, “But Lord, what about this man?”

22 Jesus said to him,  If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”

23 Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but,  If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?”

The Conclusion of John’s Gospel

24 This is the disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things; and we know that his testimony is true.

25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

 

Acts

1  The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, 3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.

The Holy Spirit Promised

4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Jesus Ascends to Heaven

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

 

1Cor 15:3

 

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Mk

 

Lk

 

Jn

 

 

 

Source Text Variations

The work of fixing the evil done by apostasy and evil Scribes

10/18/12; 4/17/13; 10/11/13; 2/8/17 (recompiled); 2/22/17 (Doctrine: Original Texts, etc.);

 

>> recompile Bibliog discussions into here!??

 

 

>>Scrip:

Joh_4:22 – You worship what you do not know

>> Sync: BIT/LO | TrOb > Knowledge Management

 

 

 

 

Ultimately, all of God's Words will not pass away

 

- law: get a copy from tabernacle/temple,

- God's words are perfect... silver refined

- Jeruselem destroyed,

- vain pen of false scribe

 

but still...

 

- iota/keriahs remaining until heaven and earth pass away, but still, forseeing the madness we would be subjected to, He still says,

Rev: whoever adds to these Words/ takes away from them.

 

- we see the same principles as said in Mat5 (i.e. every smallest detail will endure, even at the expense of your unworthy soul, if necesary)

- We see from this that the perverts who change the scriptures do not even really fear total damnation! (and this includes paraphrases)

- we also see that perverts are capable of both adding or subtracting from God's truth, and the scriptures themselves foresee this (and it is recorded for us in virtually every source text).

 

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We are required to be willing to even use and reference corrupted texts for evidence because we do not get to choose what means God has provided evidence for truth to us.

 

God spoke through Balam, and we do not get to prefer a different means of God communicating to us. And at the same time, we are also oblidged to 'kill Balam' and testify against him whenever he starts to resume his sorcery.

 

Source Text Variations

 

 

 

1. Original Texts

Old: About Projects: Translations

 

OT documents:

Ü·Þ 6th Century AD = Scribes, then Þ “Masoretes” preserved Scriptures 500 more years as the “Masoretic Text.” Later 10th Cent. Family of “ben Asher” + Masoretes of Tiberias took over. Þ 12th Cent. only recognized Hebrew Text

First Printed Ones: (printing 1450 A.D.)

Rabinic Printings- 1. “Daniel Bomberg” (1516-17), 2. “Jacob ben Chayyim” (1524-25),

ÞBoth based on latest passed down texts

5. 3rd addition of Rudolph Kitte’s Biblia Hebraica (1. 1906, 2. 1912, 3. 1937) –Based on oldest dated of ben Asher text: “the Leningard Manuscript B19a” (A.D. 1008).

 

NT documents:

5,000 in Greek

8,000 other languages

& many more in other languages

Number of confirmations surpasses any authoritative proof of any other work of antiquity.

 

Main Different Texts Used:

1.      “Authorized Version,” or “Traditional Text,” later called “Textus Receptous” or “Received Text” (KJV, NKJV, and others?) (Supported by “Byzantine Text” - just as old as NIVs text).

2.      Late 19th Century discovered:

Coadex Vaticanus” &                 -They Often disagree

Codex Sinaiticus           Ýß  =   “Alaxandrian Text” (NIV)

Papyri” -said to be the oldest texts we have.

3.      Majority Text” (None of them earlier than 5th Century)

-Similar to Textus Receptous except in Revelation.

 

Major variations:

Act 8:37 KJVA  And Philip said, If you believest with all thine heart, you mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. [Not in NU Texts or M]

Luk 17:36  Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. (But it has it in other places)

Act 15:34  Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still. (right befor the break up of Paul and Silas)

Act 24:7  But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands, [Tertullus prosecuting Paul]

 

- Many in Revelation

Once you have picked out a text with which to draw from, then the next step is to set what philosophy will you have.  Will you Translate or paraphrase?  What do you value? Authoritative-ness or readability?

 

 

 

 

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“Deuterocanonical Books.”

 

This may seem unexpected for many, but my defense is that I went into it totally resistant, and was forced by the countless references that teach this within the standard 66 books. The Bible taught me to also have this respect for the Deuterocanonical Books contrary to all I had expected and learned.

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Sola Scriptura

Extra Biblical Books

See: Dis and/or LO

 

 

Monotheistic Retelling of Stories

Pagans Are Unreliable when retelling Monotheistic Events

6/26/17; 8/26/18

 

Num 22:12 WEB  God said to Balaam, You shall not go with them; you shall not curse the people; for they are blessed.

Num 22:12 LB  And God said to Balaam, “You shall not go with them, neither shall you curse the people, for they are blessed.”

Num 22:12  καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεὸς πρὸς Βαλααμ Οὐ πορεύσῃ μετ᾿ αὐτῶν οὐδὲ καταράσῃ τὸν λαόν· ἔστιν γὰρ εὐλογημένος.

Num 22:13 WEB  Balaam rose up in the morning, and said to the princes of Balak, Go to your land; for Yahweh refuses to permit me to go with you.

Num 22:13 LB  And Balaam rose up in the morning, and said to the princes of Balak, “Depart quickly to your master; God does not permit me to go with you.”

Num 22:13  καὶ ἀναστὰς Βαλααμ τὸ πρωὶ εἶπεν τοῖς ἄρχουσιν Βαλακ Ἀποτρέχετε πρὸς τὸν κύριον ὑμῶν· οὐκ ἀφίησίν με ὁ θεὸς πορεύεσθαι μεθ᾿ ὑμῶν.

Num 22:14 WEB  The princes of Moab rose up, and they went to Balak, and said, Balaam refuses to come with us.

Num 22:14 And the princes of Moab rose, and came to Balak, and said, “Balaam will not come with us.”

Num 22:14  καὶ ἀναστάντες οἱ ἄρχοντες Μωαβ ἦλθον πρὸς Βαλακ καὶ εἶπαν Οὐ θέλει Βαλααμ πορευθῆναι μεθ᾿ ἡμῶν.

 

 

Jos 21:43 WEB  So Yahweh gave to Israel all the land which he swore to give to their fathers. They possessed it, and lived in it.

Jos 21:43 LB  The Promise Fulfilled So the Lord gave to Israel all the land which He swore to give to their fathers: and they inherited it, and dwelt in it.

Jos 21:43  Καὶ ἔδωκεν κύριος τῷ Ισραηλ πᾶσαν τὴν γῆν, ἣν ὤμοσεν δοῦναι τοῖς πατράσιν αὐτῶν, καὶ κατεκληρονόμησαν αὐτὴν καὶ κατῴκησαν ἐν αὐτῇ.

Jos 21:44 WEB  Yahweh gave them rest all around, according to all that he swore to their fathers. Not a man of all their enemies stood before them. Yahweh delivered all their enemies into their hand.

Jos 21:44 And the Lord gave them rest round about, as He swore to their fathers; not one of all their enemies maintained his ground against them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hands.

Jos 21:44  καὶ κατέπαυσεν αὐτοὺς κύριος κυκλόθεν, καθότι ὤμοσεν τοῖς πατράσιν αὐτῶν· οὐκ ἀνέστη οὐθεὶς κατενώπιον αὐτῶν ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν ἐχθρῶν αὐτῶν· πάντας τοὺς ἐχθροὺς αὐτῶν παρέδωκεν κύριος εἰς τὰς χεῖρας αὐτῶν.

Jos 21:45 WEB  Nothing failed of any good thing which Yahweh had spoken to the house of Israel. All came to pass.

Jos 21:45 There failed not one of the good things which the Lord spoke to the children of Israel; all came to pass.

Jos 21:45  οὐ διέπεσεν ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν ῥημάτων τῶν καλῶν, ὧν ἐλάλησεν κύριος τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ· πάντα παρεγένετο.

 

Jos 23:14 WEB  Behold, today I am going the way of all the earth. You know in all your hearts and in all your souls that not one thing has failed of all the good things which Yahweh your God spoke concerning you. All have happened to you. Not one thing has failed of it.

Jos 23:14 LB  But I hasten to go the way of death, as all that are upon the earth also do. And you know in your heart and in your soul, that not one word has fallen to the ground of all the words which the Lord our God has spoken respecting all that concerns us; there has not one of them failed.

Jos 23:14  ἐγὼ δὲ ἀποτρέχω τὴν ὁδὸν καθὰ καὶ πάντες οἱ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, καὶ γνώσεσθε τῇ καρδίᾳ ὑμῶν καὶ τῇ ψυχῇ ὑμῶν διότι οὐ διέπεσεν εἷς λόγος ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν λόγων, ὧν εἶπεν κύριος ὁ θεὸς ὑμῶν, πρὸς πάντα τὰ ἀνήκοντα ὑμῖν, οὐ διεφώνησεν ἐξ αὐτῶν.

 

TSK: not one thing: Jos_21:43-45, Exo_3:8, Exo_23:27-30, Lev_26:3-13, Num_23:19, Deu_28:1-14, 1Sa_3:19, 1Ki_8:56, Luk_21:33

 

 

Categorically Putting Two and Two Together

5/4/17

 

This might support categorical Bible studies.

 

Bible verses teaching the same theme in different places

 

 

Pulling it all together in life application

Like the Jews do with Passover

 

Categorical & Thematic associations as they go about life

 

 

Bible Reading Ideas

- end of day is less predictable than beginning

- The only way I can think about how to read the Bible every day is to have a mini mtg after 1st meal

- If so, be extremely mobalized and fluid and ready and well-minded and prapared for good together-choping

- maybe this is a context to develop the high productivity needs I have never demanded of us (go to b rm first... Get your water bottle a head of time, or be content w out it until we take another break... Etc.)

- don't be anti-climactic

- insist on doing things sequentially

- deny going back again, and then plan on how to do it sequentially the next time...

- don't plan on going back and getting your money back (if you can help it): - it might trouble them - think/plan before buying whenever possible - solidify some pre-decided/decisive actions - don't plan on undoing things, strive to do it sequentially

- I want to do a grammar day prep...... Or maybe that can be merged with bb reading...??

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- Maybe we need to start making a big priority on coll after bb reading....?

- Esp. In light of Mir transition...

- maybe we need to call her this sat...

- Getting mobalized:

Abraham told Sara to get some food ready...

 

King Will Read From Law Every Day Of His Life...

~2012-2013?; 2/8/17 (recompiled)

 

- maybe because he is a king?

- Diff for the rest of us?

- But this at least shows an ideal privilege...

- Probably also appropriate for those who give themselves to the Word of God and prayer (they get paid for the awsom privilege & serious responsibility of reading the Bible and praying a lot...)

- how often were the scriptures read in Synagogues? Just sat, or daily? They were in the temple "daily"?

- we must work while it is day?

 

 

Truth is more simple than we give heaven credit for….

9/23/16

 

Deu_18:21 WEB If you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken?

Deu_18:21 CAB But if you shall say in your heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?

Deu_18:21  ἐὰν δὲ εἴπῃς ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ σου Πῶς γνωσόμεθα τὸ ῥῆμα, ὃ οὐκ ἐλάλησεν κύριος;

Deu_18:22  when a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing doesn't follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken: the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him.

Deu_18:22 Whatever words that prophet shall speak in the name of the Lord, and they shall not come true, and not come to pass, this is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; that prophet has spoken wickedly: you shall not spare him.

Deu_18:22  ὅσα ἐὰν λαλήσῃ ὁ προφήτης ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι κυρίου, καὶ μὴ γένηται τὸ ῥῆμα καὶ μὴ συμβῇ, τοῦτο τὸ ῥῆμα, ὃ οὐκ ἐλάλησεν κύριος· ἐν ἀσεβείᾳ ἐλάλησεν ὁ προφήτης ἐκεῖνος, οὐκ ἀφέξεσθε αὐτοῦ.

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