Righteous Assembly

Documenting and Establishing the Clean Practices and Customs and Practices and Transmissions of the real Righteous Assembly on the Earth

Defining The Real, Righteous Called out Assembly, From Ancient Times unto Today

>> recompile into LO > Doctrine of US

Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

Other dates (as partly seen below); 2/8/17 (Re-compiled); 2/23/17 (added/recompiled: Denominations and Church Groups); 3/11/17 (recovered from Word vandalisms; revised order a little bit);

These are unpublished personal notes for our community.

Like usual, in cases like this, you should contact us so that we can teach you all of these exciting and helpful things.

New

· Unity

· Re-Loving Each Other

Positivity Conquers Your Issues

Negativity does NOT Conquer Your Issues

Intro

2/12/19

Many if not most of these considerations are essentially secondary in order of logic: the sub-practices of the right group is first and foremost dependent on what the right group is.

For this eternally critical and first priority of logic, see: LO > The Doctrine of Us

Nevertheless, these secondary considerations are still immeasurably important, especially because we can see from their pattern that only the US are keeping them and all other christian apostacies are going to hell because they are not practicing the truth, even if that is seen in such simpler things as the customs and external practices that they are sinning against.

>> Additions/ TODO!

Contrast: Denominations and Church Groups

>> Work Ethic -- Recompile These Themes:

>> Despising > Love

>> Community > RAS

>> etc.

Title Boudaries

Contents

Naming the Truth on Earth. 2

Hebrew & Greek Terminology. 2

Called Out of What?. 2

House Church. 2

10 People Needed to Have a Synagogue?. 3

I Will Build MY Called Out Assembly. 3

Church Leadership. 3

Elder – Presbyter. 4

Elder/Overseer, Used Interchangeably. 4

Elder/Overseer, Used Distinctively. 4

Preachers Need To Be Sent By God. 6

Shepherd – Pastor. 6

Priest 7

Pastor Requirements. 9

Summary of Church Leadership. 12

How Are Leaders Chosen. 13

Title Boudaries. 13

Matthew 23 -- Warnings Against Unlawful Title-Exaltations. 13

"My" Lord. 14

Ordinances – A – Communion / The Lord’s Supper / Eucharist 15

Important Communion Passages. 15

Great Desire. 15

Drink all 16

They Drank all 17

The Cup of Blessing. 17

Unleavened. 17

Passover Instituted. 18

Jews Eat Matza for Passover 18

Further Spiritual Applications Against Leaven: 18

Famous Passage. 19

Take Clean Communion Seriously. 19

Who Can Take Communion?. 20

Including Foot Washing?. 21

Ordinances – B – Baptism... 21

Mode. 22

Details. 22

In what name?. 23

Furthermore. 23

Infant Salvation And Baptism.. 24

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Salvation By Baptism... 24

How Clean Immersion Saves. 24

Ordinances – C – Trine Immersion. 25

Bible Passages. 25

John’s Baptism.. 25

What Ignatius said. 25

Only ONE Immersion. 25

Coming Out of the Immersion = Resurrection. 25

Singular-tense Baptism Examples. 25

Many People = the Greek Plural aspect 25

Heb_6:1-2 ^N-GPM. 26

Naaman Example. 26

Mat_28:19 - In The Name. 26

More Greek Details in the Bible. 26

G911 to Dip. 26

G907 to Immerse. 26

Not translated consistently in NT: 26

Idzo Does Not Require “Repeated” as much as “Doing” Action. 26

Didache - Chapter 7. 26

History. 26

Tertullian. 26

Trine Immersion People. 26

Single Immersion People?. 26

The Greek Church. 26

Living in Community. 27

Crowning Each Other At Judgment 27

The Called Out Assembly Today. 27

Naming the Truth on Earth

Hebrew & Greek Terminology

Synagoge, "chruch", etc.

-- Under Construction --

Called Out of What?

When was the Assembly Called Out, and what was it been called out of?

· secular idea of assembly

· from Heber to people becomming eborites / Hebrews

House Church

>> put with leadership?

Act_2:44-47; Act_20:20

(and compare 1Ti_5:13)

The assembly in their house:

Rom_16:5; 1Co_16:19; Col_4:15; Phm_1:2

and compare: Act_8:3

10 People Needed to Have a Synagogue?

10-Person Minimum for Assembly?

tags: 10 Person Minimum for Assembly

3/18/16

Gen_18:32 KJV+ And he said,^H559 Oh^H4994 let not^H408 the Lord^H136 be angry,^H2734 and I will speak^H1696 yet^H389 but this once:^H6471 Peradventure^H194 ten^H6235 shall be found^H4672 there.^H8033 And he said,^H559 I will not^H3808 destroy^H7843 it for ten's sake.^{H5668 H6235}

Gen_18:32 And he said, “Will there be anything against me, Lord, if I speak yet once more? But if there should be found there ten?” And He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of the ten.”

Gen_18:32 καὶ εἶπεν Μή τι, κύριε, ἐὰν λαλήσω ἔτι ἅπαξ· ἐὰν δὲ εὑρεθῶσιν ἐκεῖ δέκα; καὶ εἶπεν Οὐ μὴ ἀπολέσω ἕνεκεν τῶν δέκα.

Gen_18:33 KJV+ And the LORD^H3068 went his way,^H1980 as soon as^H834 he had left^H3615 communing^H1696 with^H413 Abraham:^H85 and Abraham^H85 returned^H7725 unto his place.^H4725

Gen_18:33 And the Lord departed, when He left off speaking to Abraham, and Abraham returned to his place.

Gen_18:33 ἀπῆλθεν δὲ κύριος, ὡς ἐπαύσατο λαλῶν τῷ Αβρααμ, καὶ Αβρααμ ἀπέστρεψεν εἰς τὸν τόπον αὐτοῦ.

>> Acts: they met by the river to pray

The Purpose of the Church

What is your understanding of the nature and the purpose of the church?

The Church is the necessary corporate means of relating to God. She is Jesus’ betrothed bride, who aims to please God by saving souls while preparing and waiting for her wedding to Jesus. This includes the most earnest care and discipleship given to the members of her body, as well as evangelism. The Church is about Jesus' body- in Heaven and on Earth.

I Will Build MY Called Out Assembly

-- Under Construction --

Apostacy predicted

Apostacy fulfilled

when the son of man comes, will he find faith on the earth?

real prophets feel like Elijah, false ones brag like Korah

Tract: finding the real church: Heresy and circular reasoning

the bride of Christ or the harlot of antichrist?

this is the fundamental question that church people are refusing to answer honestly and thoughtfully.

almost all church people are in the groosest fornication fest in bed with antichrist, and make big boasts about their madening love for utter filthiness and rebellion.

see: Korah's rebellion

Church Leadership

What is the role of Deacons, Elders, Bishops etc.?

>> recompile Apostleship from SPI > RAS???

Servant – Deacon

First, an elder is not the same as a deacon, (as often disarranged in some churches). The very word “Deacon” in English is a representation of “διάκονος” (diakonosG1247) in Greek, and is actually the word for servant (not “leader” per say), and comes from another word that means “to run” – “διώκω” (diōkōG1377) and so implies “to run errands” as a “servant.” At the same time, it is also an officially recognized position in Jesus’ Church, and like the word Elder, it must be interpreted specifically or generally with a close eye on context.

G1247 διακονέω diakoneō dee-ak-on-eh'-o

From G1249; to be an attendant, that is, wait upon (menially or as a host, friend or [figuratively] teacher); technically to act as a Christian deacon: - (ad-) minister (unto), serve, use the office of a deacon. (Strong’s)

It should be noted that, though servants (deacons) have a position of service, we are strongly exhorted to submit to such who serve fervently: see 1Co_16:15-16, where “διακονιαν”G1248 (diakonian) is used, but is typically not translated consistently as deacon, and because of this we might miss the “official Church position” aspect of this verse.

Additionally: Despite the trouble of many self-professing (so called) “conservatives,” the Scriptures are extremely clear (especially in Greek) that Women can be Servants of the Church (Deaconesses).

>> GP > WiA

So if a Deacon is to serve, then what is an Elder?

>> God’s picked and commissioned ones get to pick there own commissioned ones

Gen_12:4

Kind of like Moses getting Aaron as his ‘prophet’, and much moreso like Moses picking out Joshua as his attendant

Acts -- where they set up decons

Acts -- the HS said set apart for me Paul and Barnabas… but they took John Mark!

This is the same as:

The Father Picked Jesus, Jesus Picked Apostles, Apostles picked Decons

>> This is one of those ‘do what’s in your heart’ type of things…

Elder – Presbyter

The church term, “Presbyter” is simply a transliteration (a Greek term represented with English letters, rather than a translation of the term into English) of the Greek word for “elder”: “πρεσβύτερος” (presbuterosG4245). Elders are to rule and or help rule in the Church (unlike servants, or “deacons,” who are the official servants of the Church) and some Elders preach:

1Ti_5:17 MKJV Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in Word and doctrine.

2Jn_1:1 - John was one

1Pet_5:1 - Peter was one

Phm_1:9 (πρεσβυτης); 1Ti_4:14 → 2Ti_1:6 - Paul was one

Tit_1:5 - Paul had authority to appoint them

Heb_13:17 - We are commanded to submit to them (Also compare 1Pet_1:1, 5)

1Pet_5:2 - They are to feed the flock and take oversight

1Pet_5:1-4 - They are under-shepherds (“Pastors”) representing the Chief-Shepherd, Jesus

Tit_1:5, 7 - They can be synonymous with “overseers” (“Bishops” from Greek; and also see below)

They helped the Apostles rule the entire early Church body:

Acts_15:2, 4, 6, 22, 23; 16:4

And for some deep spiritual correlation, there are 24 of them in heaven:

Rev. 4:4, 10; 5:5, 6, 8, 11, 14; 7:11, 13; 11:16; 14:3; 19:4

Elder/Overseer, Used Interchangeably

Tit_1:5, 7; Act_20:17, 28; 1Pet_5:1-2 (where “πρεσβυτερους” and “επισκοπουντες” are used)

Elder/Overseer, Used Distinctively

I find no direct Biblical reference to distinctions between an Elder and a Bishop, however, it is indirectly understood that though every elder is a type of Bishop, (Tit_1:5, 7; Act_20:17, 28; 1Ti_5:17) not every Bishop is properly an Elder. An example of this is where Titus, who was apparently a younger man (Tit1:4), was delegated authority to appoint Elders (Tit_1:5). Titus would have been considered at least a Bishop (if not an apostle) in such a position, but not an “Elder.”

A more specific example (though not more weighty) is that unanimous testimony of the early Church from the very beginning. They also used the two terms interchangeably as the Bible does, and they particularly specified The Bishops to be the primary leaders that were directly (and successively) installed over the early Churches by the Apostles (as in 2Tim_2:2). This became an extremely important issue to them as the Apostles eventually all died (mostly by martyrdom). Through the succession of Bishops as their primary local leaders (which many churches call “pastors” today) the early church zealously carried on the authenticated authority, legacy and traditions from the Apostles, and this is one of the primary means from which we got our New Testament – preserved from the pollution of Heresy and handed to us in Truth, faithfulness and purity. All Church leadership was important, but the primary common denominator throughout the entire early Church was the Overseer (Bishop), who was the essential (successive) link back to the Apostles, and their primary means of legitimacy as a Church. Faithfulness and submission under each Overseer meant obedience to the Apostles and their doctrine, and even, to the faith of Christ Jesus, and the saving communion in the body of Christ.

All of this is to say that there were those specific men appointed to oversee the church (which we often call “Pastors” or “Bishops” in English), that were the primary overseers, and in addition to this there were elders who also helped oversee under the main overseer in ruling the church.

Overseer – Bishop

Act_20:28; Phi_1:1; 1Tim_3:2; Tit_1:7; 1Pe_2:25

Our English word Bishop was once pronounced Bisceop in Old English, which is a little closer to the Greek source word “ἐπίσκοπος” (episkoposG1985 – “overseer”).

From Greek we have this definition:

G1985 ἐπίσκοπος episkopos ep-is'-kop-os

From G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983); a superintendent, that is, Christian officer in general charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively): - bishop, overseer.

(Strong's)

The above definition shows us that ἐπίσκοπος (episkopos) comes from two words, G1909 and G4649: “ἐπί ” (epi) and “σκοπός” (skopos) which would function as someone who looks upon or over someone or something. So the term episkopos most directly means overseer, and is applied and used throughout the New Testament and Church History as the primary leader of a Church, who “looks over” or “oversees” (and leads) a given congregation or group of congregations. From this, terms like Episcopal and Episcopate are derived, but the most common representation of this in English is Bishop.

Throughout the Greek Old Testament ἐπίσκοπος (episkopos) is usually originally used and applied as a term for keeping people accountable to their actions. This word is often used as “looking upon” people for what they have done in “a day of remembrance,” (and translators such as Brenton often represent this word as “visiting” people in this way). So this word gets used to speak of one who keeps people accountable for their actions as the one who looks over (oversees) a person or people group.

This “overseeing” may be in the sense of “visiting” the sins of people back upon their own head, (bringing judgment for past sins) or for deliverance and reward, or it may simply speak of general overseeing:

General Oversight

Exo_30:12; Num_4:16; Num_7:2; Num_14:29; Num_26:22; Num_26:43; Psa_109:8

General Judgment

Job_31:14; Job_34:9; Pro_29:13

Punishment

Lev_19:20; Num_16:29; Job_6:14; Job_7:18; (Job_24:12); Isa_10:3; Isa_29:6; Jer_6:15; Jer_10:15; Eze_7:22; {Wis_3:13 (“the visitation of souls” = “oversight” [ἐπισκοπῇ] of souls)}

Reward

Gen_50:24; Gen_50:25; Exo_3:16; Exo_13:19; Job_10:12; Job_29:4; Isa_23:17; Isa_24:22;

Some peculiarities are...

- In Num_4:16, the Priest is called (and equated with) an Overseer.

- The Apostles understood this Old Testament word to be directly and prophetically connected with the New Testament usage: Psa_109:8; Act_1:16-26.

- In Act_1:20 the Apostles were referred to as holding the office of Overseers, (that is, “ἐπισκοπὴν,” and see how it is also used in 1Tim_3:1).

- In 1Pe_2:25, Jesus is referred to as the Pastor (ποιμένα) and Overseer (ἐπίσκοπον) of our souls.

Preachers Need To Be Sent By God

3/4/17; 3/14/17

-- Under Construction --

not appointed by fleshballs

they ran, but i did not send them...

rom10

for more, see: SPI

Shepherd – Pastor

The term to Shepherd from Hebrew basically means to feed and is often translated as such throughout our English versions. In Greek the concept is applied in the same sense, with at least the following verses indicating the “feeding” concept:

Jn 10:2-3, 9; Lk 17:7; 1 Cor_9:7; 1 Pet_9:2; Jude_1:12; Rev_7:17

The terms Pastor and Shepherd (from Old French/Latin) found in our English Bible translations represent the exact same word throughout the Old and New Testaments. The only real reason we have so much of a distinction in English is because the term has been creatively reapplied as a specific, primary word for a church office. It is used at least 173 times in the Old Testament, and 18 times in the New Testament. Both apply the term literally, to leaders of sheep, as well as figuratively, to leaders of people, (Jer_3:15). The term was never intended, as it is so often used today, apart from the “shepherd-over-the-sheep” analogy, and was used as a general term for leaders, rather than a specific one for the primary leader of a congregation. The variety of positions it is used for in the Bible is referenced out below:

General use of shepherds: Mat_9:36

In Joh_21:15-17 Peter was commanded to pastor/shepherd/ lit. "feed" [βόσκε (v. 15, 17)/ ποίμαινε (v. 16)] Jesus' lambs/ sheep [ἀρνία (v. 15)/ πρόβατά (v. 16, 17)].

In 1Pe_5:1-4 Peter commands elders/overseers to shepherd/ lit. “feed” [ποιμάνατε] God’s flock [ποίμνιον (v. 2)/ ποιμνίου (v. 3)] (just as he himself was commanded in Joh_21:16).

There are also the Elder/Overseer/Pastor Verses: Act_20:17, 28; 1Pe_5:1-2 (where all 3 terms are applied to the same group of leaders).

But more than any of these, Jesus is highlighted as the head-Shepherd countless times:

Psa_23:1; 80:1; Isa_40:11; Eze_34:12, 34:23, 37:24; Mic_5:4; Zec_13:7; Mat_2:6; Jn 10:11-16; Heb_13:20; 1Pe_2:25 (where Jesus is also called an Overseer); 5:4.

Just because the word pastor has been adapted in its use as an English term does not mean that there is something wrong with the way we use it today, but it may be helpful to be sensitive to the fact that it no longer implies the same meanings as the Biblical usage. At the same time there is nothing particularly inspired about its use nor its origin, since it is considerably clear that the term Pastor was significantly popularized as a primary title for the Overseer (or his representative over a church) by the protestants, and especially John Calvin, who was reacting against Catholic terminology, just as they did from having “sacraments” to “ordnances.”

In short, the term shepherd is a very general term used in Scripture for leadership, covering a wide range of offices from Overseer and Elder to Apostle and even to Jesus Himself. The word Shepherd, now often represented as “Pastor,” has come to be used as something quite specific, especially as a primary church office among most all non-liturgical churches.

Priest

Other dates (mostly 2007-2008, and some afterward); 10/20/16

>> contrary to the insanity and foolishness of protestants, Priesthood has nothing to do with being a “mediator”

>> a mediator of a covenant has mainly been Moses and Jesus: as long as you are not updating to a different covenant, you are not a mediator

Silly (Protestant) church people love to deny that the New Testament has priests:

“the New Testament does not teach that there are to be priests in the New Covenant.”

https://www.gotquestions.org/confession-sin-priest.html

4/16/17

Psa_132:16 WEB Her priests I will also clothe with salvation. Her saints will shout aloud for joy.

Psa_132:16 KJV+ I will also clothe^H3847 her priests^H3548 with salvation:^H3468 and her saints^H2623 shall shout aloud for joy.^{H7442 H7442}

Psa_132:16 LB I will clothe her priests with salvation; and her saints shall greatly rejoice.

Psa_132:16 (131:16) τοὺς ἱερεῖς αὐτῆς ἐνδύσω σωτηρίαν, καὶ οἱ ὅσιοι αὐτῆς ἀγαλλιάσει ἀγαλλιάσονται·

Psa_132:17 WEB There I will make the horn of David to bud. I have ordained a lamp for my anointed.

Psa_132:17 KJV+ There^H8033 will I make the horn^H7161 of David^H1732 to bud:^H6779 I have ordained^H6186 a lamp^H5216 for mine anointed.^H4899

Psa_132:17 LB There will I cause to spring up a horn to David: I have prepared a lamp for My Anointed.

Psa_132:17 (131:17) ἐκεῖ ἐξανατελῶ κέρας τῷ Δαυιδ, ἡτοίμασα λύχνον τῷ χριστῷ μου·

Mediator

Job_9:33; Gal_3:19; Gal_3:20; 1Ti_2:5; Heb_6:17 (ἐμεσίτευσεν ὅρκῳ); Heb_8:6; Heb_9:15; Heb_12:24;

2Co_4:5

Surprisingly (to Protestants) there are actually direct New Testament verses conveying priestly (and Levitical) attributes to Church leaders. One may ascertain, as the early Church would unanimously insist, that such Church positions (or callings) make one spiritually part of the tribe of Levi. However at the same time we must also confidently insist that there is no mention of a New Testament Priest as used by the catholic church anywhere in the entire Bible. Jesus is the High Priest¹ of our faith, and only mediator, and we who follow Him are all to be a kingdom of priests²:

(1) Heb_2:17; 3:1; 4:14, 15; 5: 5, 10; 6:20; 7:1, 26; 8:1; 9: 11, 25; 10:19-22; One mediator: 1Ti_2:5

(2) Rom_12:1; Phi_4:18; Heb_13:16; 1Pet_2:5, 9; Rev_1:6; 5:10; 20:6

Catholics may appeal to the many examples in Church history that might seem to support their practice and titles (especially in post-apostasy church history), but even the early Church conducted such terminology with a different meaning, fully supporting this “kingdom of priests²”. (Note: Usually Protestants less accurately call this “The Priesthood of all Believers”.) Only in a particular since did they refer to Church leaders as priests, as the Scriptures also agree:

Priesthood of all believers

2/12/16

· Does not include just about anyone who believes in this doctrine / uses this terminology, because no one who talks about this is a believer in the truth

·The Biblical reality Does not in any way imply an exclusion of arch priests

1Co_9:13-14 KJV Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Rom_15:16 KJV That I should be the minister³⁰¹¹ (λειτουργον) of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering²⁴¹⁸ (ιερουργουντα) the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

· The terminology “offering up” refers to the imagery of a priestly sacrifice, (As in Exo. 29:27; Num_15:19-20; 18:26; 2 Sam_24:22; 1 King_3:15).

· I included the Greek words above because most all translations somewhat smooth over some interesting and key insights into the Greek. Notice the qualities below that Strong's and an effective understanding of the Greek draws out in the definitions of the two words used in this verse:

Some Greek Insights from Rom_15:16:

“G3011 λειτουργός leitourgos li-toorg-os'

From a derivative of G2992 and G2041; a public servant, that is, a functionary in the Temple or Gospel, or (generally) a worshipper (of God) or benefactor (of man): - minister (-ed),” (Strong's).

More Details:

This first word in question used in Rom_15:16, “minister³⁰¹¹” (λειτουργον), is where we get our word for “liturgy” from. When a minister (λειτουργός) ministers, this is called “λειτουργέω” in Greek (G3008), and is also commonly used with the Priestly context in the Greek Old Testament quite a few times:

Num_3:31; Num_4:9; Num_4:12; Num_4:14; Num_4:26; Num_18:21; 2Ki_25:14; 1Ch_6:32; 1Ch_16:4; 2Ch_13:10; 2Ch_23:6; 2Ch_29:11; Ezr_7:24; Neh_10:36; Neh_10:39; Isa_61:6; Eze_42:14; Eze_44:11; Eze_44:19; Eze_45:4; Eze_45:5; Eze_46:24; Joe_1:9; Joe_1:13; Joe_2:17 -- (25 verses)

[The times used without a priestly context in the Greek Old Testament are these: 1Ki_1:15; 1Ch_27:1; 2Ch_15:16; 2Ch_17:19; 2Ch_22:8; Psa_103:21; Psa_104:4 – (7 verses)]

And this “ministering” word occurs 3 times in the New Testament, and is once used with a literal Priestly context, while the other two are naturally referring to New Testament ministering:

Act_13:2; Rom_15:27; Heb_10:11;

This main word for minister (G3011) is used five times in the New testament, and twice* this word is used with Priestly references:

Rom_13:6; *Rom_15:16; Phi_2:25; Heb_1:7; *Heb_8:2

“G2418 ἱερουργέω hierourgeō hee-er-oorg-eh'-o

From a compound of G2411 and the base of G2041; to be a temple worker, that is, officiate as a priest (figuratively): - minister,” (Strong's).

More Details:

This second word in question used in Rom_15:16, “ministering²⁴¹⁸” [ιερουργουντα], is a compound of the word “Temple” (ἱερόν - G2411) and work (ἔργον - G2041).

It is not used in the Greek Septuagint, but only in the New Testament

So we see in Rom_15:16, that Paul uses two “Priestly” words as well as using the priestly image of “offering up” to describe himself and his work as a leader in the Church.

Unfortunately, the early Church emphasized this more and more, and when serious corruption and full-fledged apostasy set in, they naturally emphasized it into unbiblical proportions as we can see it commonly used today.

Closest Thing to Clergy

1Pe_5:3

Pastor Requirements

9/16/05 (+Word: Created/Modified); 2/20/17 (recompiled)

The Command

Tit_1:5-7 ALT On account of this I left you in Crete, so that you should set in order the things lacking and appoint [or, set up] elders⁴²⁴⁵ [Gr. prebuteros] in every city, as I commanded you. 6 If anyone is beyond reproach, [the] husband⁴³⁵ of one³³⁹¹ wife¹¹³⁵ [or, a one-wife kind of man]… 7 For it is necessary [for] the overseer¹⁹⁸⁵ [Gr. episkope] to be beyond reproach, as God's steward…

1Ti_3:2 ALT Therefore, it is necessary [for] the overseer ¹⁹⁸⁵ to be blameless [or, above reproach], [the] husband⁴³⁵ of one³³⁹¹ wife¹¹³⁵ [or, a one-wife kind of man], temperate, self-controlled, sensible, a friend of strangers [or, hospitable], skillful at teaching,

Translations have traditionally followed the rendering, “the husband of one wife,” with these two passages because it is the easiest way to represent the wording into English, not because it is the most accurate way to do so. Let us now be put in mind that the bracketed rendering that the Analytical-Literal Translation gives us here is truer to the actual wording and intent of the original language than the traditional rendering.

The Actual Greek reads like this:

“μιας³³⁹¹ γυναικος¹¹³⁵ ανδρα⁴³⁵” (1Tim_3:2 GNT-TR+)

If you will notice by matching up the Strong’s numbers between the English and the Greek texts that I have given you here, you can plainly see the order of the words has been changed in English, as it is typically done in translation. In this case, the most literal rendering is a “one-woman man.” The way that we know that the Greek word “γυναικος¹¹³⁵” is referring to a wife here and not just a woman, is simply because of context. Note the implications of the small degree of misrepresentation with these passages. Any sailor knows that being a small degree off-course can result in a totally different destination, and this slight misrepresentation has lead many to Biblically deviant conclusions.

One can be a specific “type” of person without presently being involved in the total fulfillment of such a category. For example, I am a “Heterosexual” even though I am not engaging in any sexual behavior at this point in my life. If I marry someone, it will be someone of the opposite sex, and so I would “prove” or “fulfil” my heterosexuality in this way. If I were a eunuch I would not be able to claim that I was a “heterosexual,” nor would I be able to properly “prove” or “fulfil” it. So also, saying a “one-woman man” is comparable to saying “a heterosexual man.” Both terms refer to a male that may or may not be married. The only difference is that a “one-woman man” refers to a type of heterosexual who refuses to have more than one wife. Given the radical, overriding teaching of the church (particularly at this time period) it is obvious what this scripture is referring to more than anything: “Everyone putting away his wife and marrying another commits adultery; and everyone marrying her who is put away from her husband commits adultery, (Luk_16:18 MKJV).”

So we see that the actual, literal command is not what we may have though it was, as it has been traditionally misrepresented to us in a small degree, and has destined some to the wrong conclusions. We have also seen that this scripture calls for a specific “type” of person, more so than outlining his living circumstances.

If we will develop a doctrine based upon one questionable interpretation of an English misrepresentation of Scripture, then we are to be pitied. Let us rather dig deeper, and assure ourselves in Scripture, and not in misunderstandings.

The Rest Of The Story

If we are to conclude upon a doctrine, it is necessary to do so considering the entire body of Scripture. Let us not hang our hat on one verse, and forget to double-check our conclusions with other scriptures that sometimes deal more clearly with the same subject matter.

We see the same principal of purity at work in this scripture:

Do not let a widow be enrolled having become less than sixty years old, the wife of one man, 10 well reported of for good works: if she brought up children, if she lodged strangers, if she washed the feet of saints, if she relieved the afflicted, if she followed after every good work. (1Ti_5:9-10 MKJV)

Again, the literal rendering is if she has been a “one-man woman” ( “ενος¹⁵²⁰ ανδρος⁴³⁵ γυνη¹¹³⁵ , (1Ti_5:9 GNT-TR+)”). We should be honest and admit that the principal behind both commands is to recognize the sin of maintaining more than one marriage. If she had been loosed from one marriage covenant by death, and then had later taken another husband, she would have never ceased to be a “one-man woman.”

Rom_7:2-3 MKJV For the married woman was bound by law to the living husband. But if the husband is dead, she is set free from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she is married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress. But if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress by becoming another man's wife.

The command in 1Ti_5:9-10 then, is that she not have been an adulteress.

We see that the principal of the “one-spouse” commands is not bound with in the living circumstance of the person in question, but is transcending to the character of a person whether or not their character is presently being proven.

More About “Elders”

Elders rule in the Church (unlike Deacons who are servants of the Church) and some preach:

1Ti_5:17 MKJV Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in Word and doctrine.

2Jn_1:1 John was one

1Pet_5:1 Peter was one

Phm_1:9 Paul was “aged” (Apostleship + Age = “An elder” if nothing else)

Paul had authority to appoint them

1Pet_5:2 They are to feed the flock and take oversight

1Pet_5:1-4 They are under-shepherds representing the Chief-Shepherd Jesus (who was not married)

Rev. 4:4, 10; 5:5, 6, 8, 11, 14; 7:11, 13; 11:16; 14:3; 19:4: There are 24 of them in heaven

Tit_1:5, 7 They can be synonymies with “overseers”

More About Overseers

Act_20:27-29 Paul associated his work with theirs

1Pet_2:25 Jesus is the ultimate overseer (and He was not married)

Both

1Tim_3:1-7; Tit_1:5-11: Paul had authority to say what they should look like

Since Jesus is the ultimate Overseer (1Pet_2:25); and seeing that that term can be synonymies with “elder” (Tit_1:5,7); and seeing that elders represent Jesus as under-shepherds (1Pet_5:4); and seeing that Jesus is old (eg. Jn 1:1); and seeing that Jesus is called our

and seeing that Jesus seems to consistently bear every honorable title that we could otherwise possibly gain via “Spiritual Gifting,” or spiritual standing before God such as “King,” “Apostle,” and “Priest” (compare 1Tim_3:16; Heb_3:1; Rev_17:14; 19:16 with 1Cor_12:28-31 and Rev_1:6; 5:10) “Prophet” (compare Deu_18:18-22; Mat_13:57/Mar_6:4/Jn 4:44; Mat_21:11; Lk 24:19; Act_3:22-23; 7:37 with Act_13:1; 15:32; 21:10; 1Cor_12:28-29; 14:29-32, 37; Eph_3:5; 4:11; Rev_16:6; 18:20; 22:9);

It is only reasonable to say that Jesus is also the ultimate “Elder.”

Strong’s Definitions

Elders

G4245 πρεσβύτερος presbuteros pres-boo'-ter-os

Comparative of πρέσβυς presbus (elderly); older; as noun, a senior; specifically an Israelite Sanhedrist (also figuratively, member of the celestial council) or Christian “presbyter”: - elder (-est), old.

Overseer

G1985 ἐπίσκοπος episkopos ep-is'-kop-os

From G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983); a superintendent, that is, Christian officer in general charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively): - bishop, overseer.

“Husband”

G435 ἀνήρ anēr an'-ayr

A primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male): - fellow, husband, man, sir.

“Wife”

G1135 γυνή gunē goo-nay'

Probably from the base of G1096; a woman; specifically a wife: - wife, woman.

Leadership Integrity Requirements

4/11/06 (original title: josiahs’ personal… Youth Pastor Verses; +Word: Created/Modified); 3/7/17 (recompiled)

Act_20:18-21 WEB When they had come to him, he said to them, "You yourselves know, from the first day that I set foot in Asia, how I was with you all the time, 19 serving the Lord with all humility, with many tears, and with trials which happened to me by the plots of the Jews; 20 how I didn't shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, teaching you publicly and from house to house, 21 testifying both to Jews and to Greeks repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus.

26-27 WEB Therefore I testify to you this day that I am clean from the blood of all men, 27 for I didn't shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God.

31 WEB Therefore watch, remembering that for a period of three years I didn't cease to admonish everyone night and day with tears.

Rom_15:22-23 KJV For which cause also I have been much hindered from coming to you. 23 But now having no more place in these parts, and having a great desire these many years to come unto you;

1Ti_3:1 KJV

This is a true⁴¹⁰³ saying ,³⁰⁵⁶ If a man¹⁵³⁶ desire³⁷¹³ the office of a bishop,¹⁹⁸⁴ he desires¹⁹³⁷ a good²⁵⁷⁰ work²⁰⁴¹.

πιστος⁴¹⁰³ ο³⁵⁸⁸ λογος³⁰⁵⁶ ει¹⁴⁸⁷ τις⁵¹⁰⁰ επισκοπης¹⁹⁸⁴ ορεγεται³⁷¹³ καλου²⁵⁷⁰ εργου²⁰⁴¹ επιθυμει¹⁹³⁷ (1Ti_3:1 GNT-TR+)

G3713 ὀρέγομαι oregomai or-eg'-om-ahee

Middle voice of apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary (compare G3735); to stretch oneself, that is, reach out after (long for): - covet after, desire.

G1984 ἐπισκοπή episkopē ep-is-kop-ay'

From G1980; inspection (for relief); by implication superintendence; specifically the Christian “episcopate”: - the office of a “bishop”, bishoprick, visitation.

G1937 ἐπιθυμέω epithumeō ep-ee-thoo-meh'-o

From G1909 and G2372; to set the heart upon, that is, long for (rightfully or otherwise): - covet, desire, would fain, lust (after).

G2570 καλός kalos kal-os'

Of uncertain affinity; properly beautiful, but chiefly (figuratively) good (literally or morally), that is, valuable or virtuous (for appearance or use, and thus distinguished from G18, which is properly intrinsic): - X better, fair, good (-ly), honest, meet, well, worthy.

Summary of Church Leadership

So from all of this we can clarify the distinctions between Church leaders:

The Overseer (or “Bishop”) of a given Church was only one person (of critical importance), whereas the Elders constituted a more varied pool of leadership who also served as overseers. At times in church history there is talk of deacons serving in leadership, but never in insubordination to the Overseer. This is a solid understanding in the early Church that complements and in many ways fills in the details of what the Bible so often refers to.

Although the use of the term Pastor and the usage of priestly descriptions were applied to Church leadership in the Bible as well as carried over into the vocabulary of the Early Church, both have been adapted into terms inconsistent with the Biblical usage. While we may find the use of the term Pastor to be convenient, we should not find the contemporary use of the term Priest (with its exclusive connotations) to be acceptable in describing Church leadership.

In all of this basic framework addressing church government, we still have not addressed the most crucial aspect of Church leadership, which is based on Spiritual gifts. The highest order of leadership in the Church, apostleship, cannot even be accomplished by the structure we set up. If we accomplished all these framework specifics of leadership without the life of Spiritual Gifting included, we've failed our mission and accomplish nothing. Let us both set up the frame work accurately as well as give it living wings to fly.

Also Compare: Gifts of the Holy Spirit; [Back to Contents]

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Googe: bb arch priests

Scr:

1co3 -- we are God's workmen, you are God's field...

>tsk

Paul is offering up the gentiles by faith so that they will be acceptable to God

>Tsk

Being an officiating (Arch?) priest has got nothing to do with being a mediator, since priests have never required mediation to offer people up according to the mediation of another...

Mediation is the work of the high priest, and those enlisted under Him do not themselves repeate the mediation of their high priest (for example, Jesus died once for all for the sins of the people), but a high priest mediates while regular priests (and arch priests?) work on behalf of the high priests and carry out His mediation and service on the people.

You cannot simply dodge the ordenance of God and ignore the higherarchy which God ordained and set up and expect to rebelliously be connected to the right God while sinning against his priesthood and violating the higherarchy He set up.

The relationship here is clearly established

Almost all Protestants want a purely 'triangular' (Egyptian Pyramid) relationship with god, but this is a heresy that can easily curse your soul forever!

You received me as Anointed One...

Although Paul is not mediating, he is offering them up to Anointed One, and they would clearly NOT be accepted if they felt like they did not need Paul, and he assures them of their damnation throughout the Corinthian letters for apostating from believing they need Paul to go to heaven.

Having a high priest implies that you have, priests.

And we are not all in equal postures/ positions , because Paul offers up the Gentiles as a priest.

The priesthood of Aaron did not have all of the priests doing all of the exact same things, and neither does the priesthood of Jesus in the New Covenant. We do not all have the same gifts, nor do we all have the same functions, nor do we all have the same authority.

Plenty of times the New Testament says to obey your leaders, and the recognized those who labor over you, and it even says that they are responsible for your souls!

Now, a person cannot be responsible for your soul unless your soul is submitted to them so that they are making decisions that affect your soul in an eternal way.

When Paul says that he is laboring with God over the people, this is not a triangle!

Jesus forbids us to set ourselves above others, but He also commands us to set one another above ourselves... we should always be ambitious to lower ourselves and exalt others over ourselves. The prohibition of exalting yourself does not exclude obeying the command to exalt others!

rom12

Also, if God exalts us, we do not have the perrogative to 'lower ourselves' benieth what God has insistantly said about us...

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How Are Leaders Chosen

12/21/17; 1/10/18

the lot was last used right before the monotheistic Spirit fell

>> do some leadership positions and words imply that a lot is still involved?

Tit1:5 -- Stand Down / establish Elders in every city

>Tsk!!!

Act14:23 -- hand stretched / picked Elders for each assembly

2co8:19 -- handpicked glorious one to travel with donations

the Jews cast Pebbles

>tsk

>>> Are lots used to describe positions of leadership?

Democracy & voting?

2co8:19 -- hand picked

>Tsk

> Sync: RAS | Mark

Title Boudaries

How Much to Honor People with “Titles”

2/21/17 (recompiled); 3/11/17

-- Under Construction --

Matthew 23 -- Warnings Against Unlawful Title-Exaltations

One of the main passages that warns us against the bad use of titles, especially in the new covenant.

-- Under Construction --

"My" Lord

8/2/14; 9/6/16; 2/21/17 (recompiled); 3/12/17

1Sa_1:15 WEB Hannah answered, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but I poured out my soul before Yahweh.

1Sa_1:15 LB And Hannah answered and said, “No my lord, I live in a hard day, and I have not drunk wine or strong drink, and I pour out my soul before the Lord.

1Sa_1:15 ? And Anna answered and said, Nay, my lord, I live in a hard day, and I have not drunk wine or strong drink, and I pour out my soul before the Lord.

1Sa_1:15 καὶ ἀπεκρίθη Αννα καὶ εἶπεν Οὐχί, κύριε· γυνή, ᾗ σκληρὰ ἡμέρα, ἐγώ εἰμι καὶ οἶνον καὶ μέθυσμα οὐ πέπωκα καὶ ἐκχέω τὴν ψυχήν μου ἐνώπιον κυρίου·

1Sa_1:26 WEB She said, Oh, my lord, as your soul lives, my lord, I am the woman who stood by you here, praying to Yahweh.

1Sa_1:26 LB And she said, “I pray, my lord, as your soul lives, I am the woman that stood in your presence with you while praying to the Lord.

1Sa_1:26 καὶ εἶπεν Ἐν ἐμοί, κύριε· ζῇ ἡ ψυχή σου, ἐγὼ ἡ γυνὴ ἡ καταστᾶσα ἐνώπιόν σου ἐν τῷ προσεύξασθαι πρὸς κύριον·

2Ki_4:15-17 WEB He said, Call her. When he had called her, she stood in the door. 16 He said, At this season, when the time comes round, you shall embrace a son. She said, No, my lord, you man of God, do not lie to your handmaid. 17 The woman conceived, and bore a son at that season, when the time came round, as Elisha had said to her.

2Ki_4:15-17 CAB And he called her, and she stood by the door. 16 And Elisha said to her, At this time next year, as the season is, you shall be alive, and embrace a son. And she said, No, my lord [κύριέ μου], do not lie to your servant. 17 And the woman conceived, and bore a son at the very time, as the season was, being alive, as Elisha said to her.

2Ki_4:15-17 Greek καὶ ἐκάλεσεν αὐτήν, καὶ ἔστη παρὰ τὴν θύραν. 16 καὶ εἶπεν Ελισαιε πρὸς αὐτήν Εἰς τὸν καιρὸν τοῦτον ὡς ἡ ὥρα ζῶσα σὺ περιειληφυῖα υἱόν· ἡ δὲ εἶπεν Μή, κύριέ μου, μὴ διαψεύσῃ τὴν δούλην σου. 17 καὶ ἐν γαστρὶ ἔλαβεν ἡ γυνὴ καὶ ἔτεκεν υἱὸν εἰς τὸν καιρὸν τοῦτον ὡς ἡ ὥρα ζῶσα, ὡς ἐλάλησεν πρὸς αὐτὴν Ελισαιε. --

Psa/Gospels - The Lord said to my Lord...

Luk_1:43 - the mother of my Lord

Joh_20:1 - "Mary Magdalene"

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Joh_20:2 "the Lord" [τὸν Κύριον]

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Joh_20:11-12 - "two angels"

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Joh_20:13 - "my Lord" [τὸν Κύριόν μου]

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Joh_20:14-17 - Jesus

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Joh_20:15 - supposing Him to be the gardener..."Sir [κύριε]

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Joh_20:18 - the Lord [τὸν Κύριον]

Ordinances – A – Communion / The Lord’s Supper / Eucharist

Other dates; 2/20/17 (recompiled/added: Important Communion Passages); 1/13/23

1Co_11:23-26; Mar_14:22-25; Mat_26:26-29; Luk_22:14-20

Concerning the Ordinances (or Sacraments?) of the Church in general, it should be clear to all that they are not optional, but rather, they are commands.

It is necessary for following Jesus: Jn 6:53-66 (also see verses 26-69); Mat_26:26-29.

It defined the early Church (Act_2:42). Ideally, it would be done every day from house to house:

“And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat [food] with gladness and singleness of heart, (Act_2:46 KJV).”

In addition to this, it should be done among “the Great Assembly” when all her members meet together in one place (Act_20:7; 1Cor_11:18-31).

There’s no question that communion should be open to all real disciples, irrespective of denomination, but it makes no Biblical since to turn it into a meaningless religious ceremony by encouraging lost attendees to participate as well. Communion is a serious thing that should be practiced frequently with fear and trembling (See Mat_5:23-24; 1Cor_11:17-34)

Flesh as Bread

7/5/20

Self-identifying pagans like to point out that pagans were supposedly eating “bread as the flesh” of their god before the NT, but both of these practices were preceded by the common understanding of flesh as bread.

Psa_14:4 WEB Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge, who eat up my people as they eat bread, and don't call on Yahweh?

Psa_14:4 Will not all the workers of iniquity know, who eat up my people as they would eat bread? They have not called upon the Lord.

Psa_14:4 (13:4) οὐχὶ γνώσονται πάντες οἱ ἐργαζόμενοι τὴν ἀνομίαν; οἱ κατεσθίοντες τὸν λαόν μου βρώσει ἄρτου τὸν κύριον οὐκ ἐπεκαλέσαντο.

>>Scrip:!!!

Joseph in prison

Important Communion Passages

10/8/07 (+Word: Created); 2/20/17 (recompiled)

(redone from notes I had on my phone)

See a basic Summary within my FAQs:

http://trueconnection.org/BibleStudies/FAQs.html#Communion

Great Desire

Luk_22:15-21 WEB He said to them, "I have earnestly desired¹⁹³⁹ [επιθυμια] to eat this Passover with you before I suffer, 16 for I tell you, I will no longer by any means eat of it until it is fulfilled in the Kingdom of God." 17 He received a cup, and when he had given thanks, he said, "Take this, and share it among yourselves, 18 for I tell you, I will not drink at all again from the fruit of the vine, until the Kingdom of God comes." 19 He took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and gave to them, saying, "This is my body which is given for you. Do this in memory of me." 20 Likewise, he took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. 21 But behold, the hand of him who betrays me is with me on the table.

- The word for desired¹⁹³⁹ in “"I have earnestly desired¹⁹³⁹” is επιθυμια (epithumía) and is usually used as “lust”

- The event of giving the cup of communion is first stated (in verses 17-18) and then revisited with more detail (in verse 20)

- “…the fruit of the vine…” Although this was certainly wine, Jesus symbolism did not include “fermentation”; although it is comparatively unusual to use grape juice, it does not depart from the commands of Jesus. How do I know this for sure? I’m glad you ask:

- Communion is necessary for following Jesus: Jn 6:53-66 (also see verses 26-69); Mat_26:26-29.

- Rom_14:21 WEB It is good to not eat meat, drink wine [πιεῖν οἶνον], nor do anything by which your brother stumbles, is offended, or is made weak.

- At the same time, Drinking wine is defiantly not bad when no one sees it at sinful:

1Ti_4:4 – Everything is good with thanksgiving

1Tim_5:23 – Timothy commanded to drink wine

Eph_5:18 – It says, “No Drunkenness” not, “No Drink”

Joh_2:3-11 – Jesus turned the water into “good wine” vs. inferior wine (v. 10)

Luk_5:39 – It is the “Old wine” (more fermented) that tastes better than “the new” (unfermented).

Act_2:13 – Neither of these should be confused with “Sweet wine”: “γλευκους” pronounced as “Gleukous” where we get “Glucose” from, which basically means “sugar”. This verse is sometimes mistranslated as “new wine” as though it could get you drunk.

Drink all

Mat_26:26-30 KJV And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;* 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. 30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

*πίετε ἐξ αὐτοῦ πάντες·

Literally:

Drink out of it all

Or given the nature of Greek:

All of it drink out

But Protestants with an anti-Catholic agenda have said that “αὐτοῦ” refers to the Apostles all drinking.

It is singular, not plural: πιετεG4095V-2AAM-2P πίνω to imbibe εξG1537PREP ἐκ from αυτουG846P-GSN αὐτός he, she, it παντεςG3956A-NPM πᾶς all

The cultural significance of Betrothal language in Jesus’ Words outweighs and disproves this Protestant defense mechanism.

Furthermore, “αὐτοῦ” clearly refers to the cup in the below example with the same words used…

They Drank all

Mar_14:22-26 KJV And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. 23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it*. 24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. 25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. 26 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

*καὶ ἔπιον ἐξ αὐτοῦ πάντες

Lit. “and they drank of it all”

Although this is not typically translated this way, the words are the same as Jesus’ command. By itself, “all” here could refer to the disciples or the cup, but contextually it looks to me like it refers to the cup.

Of the Passover food God says similarly:

Num_9:12 WEB They shall leave none of it until the morning…

The Cup of Blessing

1Co_10:16-17 KJV The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Background:

“The third cup is the Kos B'rakhah, the Cup of Blessing (also called the Cup of Redemption), which we drink as we conclude the Birkat Hamazon, the Grace After Meals referenced above. It is drunk during the section of the seder known as Barekh, which means, "Blessing."”

[http://bethimmanuel.org/passover/a-this.html]

“Jews blessed, or gave thanks for their wine, as well as for their food, and generally did it in this form (w):

"Blessed art thou, O Lord, our God, the king of the world, who hast created the "fruit of the vine".”

(Gill)

Unleavened

Unleavened in the OT

passover

Wiki: “unleavened bread for Gideon; kid and vegetable offering for Manoach”

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Luke_24:28-35

The Point: Communion reveals “the angel of the Lord”

Malachi: “from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles”

Of Church discipline Paul says

1Co_5:6-8 EMTV Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole batch? 7 Purge out the old leaven, in order that you may be a new batch of dough, since you are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. 8 So then let us observe the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

This speaks of their (New Covenant) observance of Passover, and potentially by reapplication, for their frequent observance of communion.

Passover Instituted

Exo_12:7-8 WEB They shall take some of the blood, and put it on the two side-posts and on the lintel, on the houses in which they shall eat it. 8 They shall eat the flesh in that night, roasted with fire, and unleavened bread. They shall eat it with bitter herbs.

Exo_13:3 WEB Moses said to the people, "Remember this day, in which you came out from Egypt… No leavened bread shall be eaten.

Exo_13:5-7 WEB …you shall keep this service in this month. 6 Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a feast to Yahweh. 7 Unleavened bread shall be eaten throughout the seven days; and no leavened bread shall be seen with you, neither shall there be yeast seen with you, in all your borders.

[i.e. “7 Purge out the old leaven…” (1Co_5:6-8 EMTV).]

Num_9:12-13 WEB They shall leave none of it until the morning, nor break a bone of it. According to all the statute of the Passover they shall keep it. 13 But the man who is clean, and is not on a journey, and fails to keep the Passover, that soul shall be cut off from his people. Because he didn't offer the offering of Yahweh in its appointed season, that man shall bear his sin.

Deu_16:3 WEB You shall eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shall you eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for you came forth out of the land of Egypt in haste…

Jews Eat Matza for Passover

“Matza (also Matzo, Matzah Hebrew מַצָּה ) is a cracker-like bread made of plain flour and water. The dough is pricked in several places and not allowed to rise before baking, thereby producing a hard, flat bread.”

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matzo]

The “pricked” bread is not commanded in the Bible, but is one of many culturally prophetic things that God has caused the Jews to do to this day to speak of Jesus’ pierced body.

Further Spiritual Applications Against Leaven

Mat_16:5-11 KJVCNT And when his disciples had come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread. 6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. 7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread. 8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O you of little faith, why reason you among yourselves, because you have brought no bread? 9 Do you not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets you took up? 10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets you took up? 11 How is it that you do not understand that I spoke it not to you concerning bread, but that you should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

Also see:

Mar_8:14-21 – “…and of the leaven of Herod” Also mentions hard heart, blind eyes and deaf ears

Luk_12:1 EMTV …He began to say to His disciples first of all, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

[Notice He does not say, “Legalism”]

Gal_5:9 KJVCNT A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

Famous Passage

1Co_11:23-34 WEB For I received from the Lord that which also I delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night in which he was betrayed took bread. 24 When he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "Take, eat. This is my body, which is broken for you. Do this in memory of me." 25 In the same way he also took the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink, in memory of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks the Lord's cup in a manner unworthy of the Lord will be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread, and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, if he doesn't discern the Lord's body. 30 For this cause many among you are weak and sickly, and not a few sleep. 31 For if we discerned ourselves, we wouldn't be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are punished by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. 33 Therefore, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait one for another. 34 But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, lest your coming together be for judgment. The rest I will set in order whenever I come.

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“Gill” herein refers to:

John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

Dr. John Gill (1690-1771)

Take Clean Communion Seriously

6/3/17; 1/13/23

Paul said that some of the Corinthians died because they didn’t take communion in unworthy way and distinguish those who were real disciples as Jesus’ body.

Notice that people are not usually dying these days for taking their own communions in very unworthy ways.

Obviously communion belongs to Jesus’ Righteous Assembly, and it is the holy ones who do righteousness who must take real clean communions seriously.

If you are defiled, the point is not to avoid communion

You got to find a way to have your sins forgiven, and have life in yourself!

Num_9:6 WEB There were certain men, who were unclean because of the dead body of a man, so that they could not keep the Passover on that day, and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day.

Num_9:6 LB And there came men who were unclean by reason of a dead body, and they were not able to keep the Passover on that day; and they came before Moses and Aaron on that day.

Num_9:6 Καὶ παρεγένοντο οἱ ἄνδρες, οἳ ἦσαν ἀκάθαρτοι ἐπὶ ψυχῇ ἀνθρώπου καὶ οὐκ ἠδύναντο ποιῆσαι τὸ πασχα ἐν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ ἐκείνῃ, καὶ προσῆλθον ἐναντίον Μωυσῆ καὶ Ααρων ἐν ἐκείνῃ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ,

Num_9:7 WEB Those men said to him, "We are unclean because of the dead body of a man. Why are we kept back, that we may not offer the offering of Yahweh in its appointed season among the children of Israel?"

Num_9:7 And those men said to Moses, “We are unclean by reason of the dead body of a man: shall we therefore fail to offer the gift to the Lord in its season in the midst of the children of Israel?”

Num_9:7 καὶ εἶπαν οἱ ἄνδρες ἐκεῖνοι πρὸς αὐτόν Ἡμεῖς ἀκάθαρτοι ἐπὶ ψυχῇ ἀνθρώπου· μὴ οὖν ὑστερήσωμεν προσενέγκαι τὸ δῶρον κυρίῳ κατὰ καιρὸν αὐτοῦ ἐν μέσῳ υἱῶν Ισραηλ;

Num_9:8 WEB Moses answered them, "Wait, that I may hear what Yahweh will command concerning you."

Num_9:8 And Moses said to them, “Stand there, and I will hear what command the Lord will give concerning you.”

Num_9:8 καὶ εἶπεν πρὸς αὐτοὺς Μωυσῆς Στῆτε αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἀκούσομαι, τί ἐντελεῖται κύριος περὶ ὑμῶν. --

Num_9:9 WEB Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying,

Num_9:9 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

Num_9:9 καὶ ἐλάλησεν κύριος πρὸς Μωυσῆν λέγων

Num_9:10 WEB "Say to the children of Israel, 'If any man of you or of your generations is unclean by reason of a dead body, or is on a journey far away, he shall still keep the Passover to Yahweh.

Num_9:10 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘Whatever man shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or on a journey far off, among you, or among your posterity; he shall then keep the Passover to the Lord,

Num_9:10 Λάλησον τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ λέγων Ἄνθρωπος ἄνθρωπος, ὃς ἐὰν γένηται ἀκάθαρτος ἐπὶ ψυχῇ ἀνθρώπου ἢ ἐν ὁδῷ μακρὰν ὑμῖν ἢ ἐν ταῖς γενεαῖς ὑμῶν, καὶ ποιήσει τὸ πασχα κυρίῳ·

>> Sync: RAS | DHG

Note: Jesus let "unclean" Judas eat their Passover communion -- remember that is says (of Judas): "he who dips his bread with me has lifted up his heal against me"

Faith Required?

Goal: don’t take communion for the worse!

>>Scrip:

Recognize each other.

Wife’s Question -- 1/13/23

Friday, January 13th 2023

AlFri_8:10am

@hd QnA Trust

What level/degree of trusting each other is requisite for taking Communion together?

I know in an extreme case, it seems that a person can still take Communion even if they don't trust Judas.

What if there was a situation where person A didn't trust person B, and person B didn't trust person C, and person D didn't trust person C, etc...What degree, or type of trust needs to exist for Communion to be lawful?

AlFri_8:13am

What exactly is trust anyway?

I know trust and faith are the same Greek word right? So is trust, in the context in question, being able to believe a person's core integrity? Or being able to "trust" your well being to another? Or being able to expect that another won't hurt you? Etc?

Who Can Take Communion?

9/17/17

There are lots of philosophies about communion:

There is “open” vs. “closed communion”

Many hippy people want “unverified” communion -- walk off the street and just take their word for it that they are a christian

Others have had such open communions that they even welcomed unbelievers in the name of “getting saved” in their pew.

Early church: had someone standing and watching at the door so that only approved / accepted people could walk in and partake. -- that’s way different than social clubs today…

On the other hand:

Basic but Big principle: Don’t hold back communion until people are excommunicated.

Communion included:

· Israelites in the wilderness – 1Co_10:1-4, etc.

· Consider that the rock “shed its blood” for them, and Jesus, the rock, freely gave His profoundly merciful life-giving/saving “blood” to hard-hearted and sinning Israelites in the wilderness.

· Judas Iscariot -- who was already a demon-loving thief (and Jesus knew he would betray Him & had already started betraying)

As long as people are willing to be a part of the covenant, and as long as there is hope for life, then Jesus has a very open crucifixion.

Including Foot Washing?

I have not had the privilege of practicing foot washing on any regular basis for most of my life, but it is in the Bible and there is no reason at all to abandon it, especially since right after communion Jesus attached such a great promise to it:

Joh_13:14-17 EMTV Therefore if I, your Lord and your Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet… 17 If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them.

Yes, the Bible very clearly says to do foot washing, and there it is very clearly in the context of communion.

Only a heretic would want to abandon this.

>> This is based on Mary Washing feet!

Ordinances – B – Baptism

Other dates (as seen at top of FAQs); 9/17/15

>> move to Discipleship?

Examples where Baptism does not include total immersion: 1Co_10:2; Also: Luk_11:38; -- but this refers to totally
“immersing” the hands: Mar_7:3-4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism

4/4/17

Lev_11:32 WEB On whatever any of them falls when they are dead, it shall be unclean; whether it is any vessel of wood, or clothing, or skin, or sack, whatever vessel it is, with which any work is done, it must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the evening; then it will be clean.

Lev_11:32 LB And on whatsoever one of their dead bodies shall fall it shall be unclean; whatever wooden vessel, or garment, or skin, or sack it may be, every vessel in which work should be done, shall be dipped in water, and shall be unclean till evening; and then it shall be clean.

Lev_11:32 καὶ πᾶν, ἐφ᾿ ὃ ἂν ἐπιπέσῃ ἀπ᾿ αὐτῶν τεθνηκότων αὐτῶν, ἀκάθαρτον ἔσται ἀπὸ παντὸς σκεύους ξυλίνου ἢ ἱματίου ἢ δέρματος ἢ σάκκου· πᾶν σκεῦος, ὃ ἐὰν ποιηθῇ ἔργον ἐν αὐτῷ, εἰς ὕδωρ βαφήσεται καὶ ἀκάθαρτον ἔσται ἕως ἑσπέρας καὶ καθαρὸν ἔσται.

Who May Baptize

>> where is this??

>> Dis??

Clarify & correct the section entitled, “who may baptize” -- only Mat_28 proclaimers/perfectly commissioned truth knowers/teachers

Can You Baptize Yourself?

>> some anabaptists did this

Lev_9:7 – baptims

fix yourself, and then others

>> remove log, then help bro

Naman

John the Baptist

no orthodox, Bible-obedient vission? No commissioning yourself

>> mk disciples

>> if you can be baptised in truth and choose not too, then you do not have a pledge of a good conscience, and are doomed to hell unless you repent.

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>> some anabaptists did this

Lev_9:7 – baptims

fix yourself, and then others

>> remove log, then help bro

Naman

John the Baptist

no orthodox, Bible-obedient vission? No commissioning yourself

>> mk disciples

>> if you can be baptised in truth and choose not too, then you do not have a pledge of a good conscience, and are doomed to hell unless you repent.

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Lev_14:6 WEB As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water.

Lev_14:6 And as for the living bird he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the spun scarlet, and the hyssop, and he shall dip them and the living bird into the blood of the bird that was slain over running water.

Lev_14:6 καὶ τὸ ὀρνίθιον τὸ ζῶν λήμψεται αὐτὸ καὶ τὸ ξύλον τὸ κέδρινον καὶ τὸ κλωστὸν κόκκινον καὶ τὸν ὕσσωπον καὶ βάψει αὐτὰ καὶ τὸ ὀρνίθιον τὸ ζῶν εἰς τὸ αἷμα τοῦ ὀρνιθίου τοῦ σφαγέντος ἐφ᾿ ὕδατι ζῶντι·

Lev_14:16 WEB The priest shall dip his right finger in the oil that is in his left hand, and shall sprinkle some of the oil with his finger seven times before Yahweh.

Lev_14:16 And he shall dip with the finger of his right hand into some of the oil that is in his left hand, and he shall sprinkle with his finger seven times before the Lord.

Lev_14:16 καὶ βάψει τὸν δάκτυλον τὸν δεξιὸν ἀπὸ τοῦ ἐλαίου τοῦ ὄντος ἐπὶ τῆς χειρὸς τῆς ἀριστερᾶς καὶ ῥανεῖ ἑπτάκις τῷ δακτύλῳ ἔναντι κυρίου·

Where do you stand on the various practices of Baptism? Include the questions of sprinkling, immersion, or both.

Beyond all of the problems church people always seem to come up with in managing their own religious baptisms is the fact that Paul very clearly teaches that baptism is not even worth discussing or practicing if Jesus’ death instrument (which is the basis of baptism) is made worthless, empty, and vain by apostate, fleshly preachers and church people!

1Co_1:17 WEB For Christ [Χριστὸς – anointed one] sent me [ἀπέστειλέ – i.e. apostl-ed (lit. made me a stationed away one/ apostle)] not to *baptize [* βαπτίζειν – wash by immersion], but to *preach the Good News [* εὐαγγελίζεσθαι – announce a (fig. the) good message/ good announcement]--not in wisdom of words [σοφίᾳ λόγου], so that the cross of Christ [τοῦ Χριστοῦ – the anointed one] wouldn't be made void [κενωθῇ – empty, vain, useless, (worthless)].

If we are reverent and softhearted, we can see from this that we cannot even really begin to establish anything about “baptism” until we actually have the real Good Announcement proclaimed in the first place, and we finally repent and stop sinning! It is clear from this that most no one in church today even has a right to discuss baptism or even have a stance on what it means since almost no one has even ever heard the real Jesus preached! But if we go on about baptism and still have a worthless Jesus and a perverted “cross” that do not save from sin, then our dirty baptism will also be polluted and demonic.

Only once we finally preach the real Jesus and take up His real death instrument (cross) can we go on to finely dig in to what the Scriptures proclaim to us about baptism (and this is also the pattern of proclamation which Jesus ordained in Matthew 28, and Peter followed in Acts 2). Although it is very unlikely for most readers, the rest of this sub-point is based on the supposition that you have embraced this good and true proclamation and are ready to respond to what God has commanded about baptism.

Mode

Factually speaking, Baptism (“βαπτίζω” from Greek) means immersing someone in water, therefore this is what we should be doing. However, I find no Scripture that would directly invalidate pouring (“πρόσχυσις”), or sprinkling (“ῥαντίζω”), and it may be worth considering that this method started early in the church as an alternative when immersion was not an option (see: Didache 1.379; 80-140 AD). Whenever we baptize, we really baptize, meaning we really immerse unto repentance in water to wash them from their sins, just as the Scriptures have clearly commanded. In keeping with very early Church teaching (as far as we know) the only time we might “sprinkle” or “pour” is if there was no option to bring a person down into water (i.e. If we cannot lower a person into water, then we might just “raise the water above the person”).

>> Jesus: I have a baptism to be baptized with

>> we are buried w Him in Baptism

>> sprinkling & puring do not “burry” someone as Jesus’ baptism buried Him in the ground

>> Paul says we are “buried w Him”, and sprinkling does not have that picture of “immersion” under the ground / water with it

I would not break fellowship over it, “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel... (1Co_1:17 KJV),”

Details

The word in the Bible for baptism is “βαπτίζω” (baptizō) which is derived from a word meaning “to dip or dye,” as opposed to sprinkling, (“ῥαντίζω” - rhantízō) and pouring, (“πρόσχυσις” - próschusis). Baptizo itself also includes the ideas of something being “…fully wet… [as well as to] wash,” (Strong’s), and examples of this meaning are found in Mar_7:4 and Luk_11:38, where baptizo is typically translated as “wash/ washed” in reference to washing before a meal.

So the word itself means to “dip” or “dye” and become “fully wet” in water, and this is a nonnegotiable fact of Greek. And this is confirmed many times over and over, especially in passages such as this:

2Ki_5:10 KJV And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.

2Ki_5:14 KJV Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.

When this was translated into the Greek Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament, or LXX) it was worded like this:

...and dipped himself seven times in Jordan... (KJV)

...καὶ ἐβαπτίσατο ἐν τῷ Ιορδάνῃ ἑπτάκι κατὰ... (LXX)

Here, the correlating word in Greek is “ἐβαπτίσατο” (“Ebaptisato,” that is, a form of “Baptizo”). Don’t forget that this Greek Old Testament was translated around 200 years before New Testament times, and was the standard text being referenced when John first came in the wilderness “Baptizing” (dunking) people in water. And this makes sense, because John was another Elijah/Elisha figure (Mat_11:14; Mat_17:11-13) who also charged people to be immersed to obtain their cleansing (Mat_3:6, Mat_3:10-11; Mar_1:4-5; Luk_3:2).

So it is clear from the dictionary definition all the way to the actual application of the word baptizo, that this word means to “immerse [or dip] in water.”

In what name?

“Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” (Mat_3:16-17); Mat_28:19; (Also compare Trinity verses: Gen_1:26; Num_6:24-27; Isa_48:16; 1Co_12:4-4; 2Co_13:14; Eph_2:18; 1Jn_5:70)

Note: in the saying, “baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” (CAB) the words, “the name,” are singular in English and in Greek (“τὸ ὄνομα” not “τα ὄνοματα”).

“In the name of Jesus” (Joh_3:26); (Joh_4:1-3); Act_2:38; Act_8:12, Act_8:16; Act_10:48; Act_19:4-5; (Act_22:16); 1Co_1:13-16; Also see: Heb_2:12-13 (Psa_22:22); Joh_17:6, Joh_17:11-12, Joh_17:26

Furthermore

There are not many Biblical restrictions as to whom may baptize, except that they must be actually saved from sin*, and it makes no sense to say that a person could baptize another person into a faith that they themselves did not hold. It is evident that the primary people who baptize are those who are actually making disciples* out of other people (* Joh_4:1-2; Mat_28:19-20 – esp. in Greek; Act_28:19), and naturally, it is noteworthy that the early Church, out of acknowledgement and respect for the Overseer, was specifically sure to give him the primary oversight of this ordnance as well whenever possible, recognizing that he also might delegate it to others. It is also noteworthy that this was done out of obedience to the the traditions passed down from the Apostles (which are referenced in 2Ti_2:2; Phi_4:9; etc.). If they were seeking to obey the oral tradition of the Apostles which we can see clearly commanded in the Bible, we should probably pay very close attention to what they did.

Unfortunately most Protestants try to stress a theoretical idea of faith, and most have tried very hard to doctrinally tare baptism away from salvation, as though it were merely a separate, optional, symbolic act of obedience. But baptism is constantly interwoven with salvation and even often equated with it throughout the Bible. Because of these inescapable realities, if we are going to be honest, we must at least hold that Baptism is to be our “alter call” and first step toward following Jesus:

Luk_1:76-77 → Luk_3:3; Act_2:37-38, Act_8:36-38, Act_22:16; 1Co_12:13; Gal_3:26-27; but also consider: Luk_23:32-33, Luk_23:42-43 with Rom_6:3-6; 1Co_12:12-13; Col_2:11-13; Gal_3:26-28; Tit_3:5; (Eph_5:26); 1Pe_3:20-21

3/23/17

Lev_8:6 WEB Moses brought Aaron and his sons, and washed them with water.

Lev_8:6 LB And Moses brought Aaron and his sons near, and washed them with water,

Lev_8:6 καὶ προσήνεγκεν Μωυσῆς τὸν Ααρων καὶ τοὺς υἱοὺς αὐτοῦ καὶ ἔλουσεν αὐτοὺς ὕδατι·

Infant Salvation And Baptism

[6.17.07 (Do Children go to heaven or Hell?)]; 9/19/08 [10/16/16 -- seen below]; 2/18/17 (recompiled)

-- Under Construction --

Do Children go to heaven or Hell?

6/17/07; 3/4/17 (recompiled)

Mat_18:3-14 KJVCNT And said, Truthfully I say unto you, Unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever shall receive one such little child in my name receives me. 6 But whoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. ...10 Take heed that you despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven. [sheep straying] ...14 Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

Mat_19:14 KJVCNT But Jesus said, Permit little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Mar_10:14-15 KJVCNT But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Permit the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 15 Truthfully I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter in it.

Luk_18:16-17 KJVCNT But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Permit little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 17 Truthfully I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no way enter in it.

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Act_4:12 WEB There is salvation in none other, for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must be saved!"

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Gen_37:34-35 KJV And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many days. 35 And all his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted; and he said, For I will go down into the grave⁷⁵⁸⁵ [Hell/ְše’ôl/שׁאוֹל] unto my son mourning. Thus his father wept for him. (Also Gen_42:38; 44:29, 31)

2Sa_12:22-23 KJ2000 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live? 23 But now he is dead, why should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

1Ki_14:12-13 WEB Arise you therefore, get you to your house: and when your feet enter into the city, the child shall die. 13 All Israel shall mourn for him, and bury him; for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found some good thing toward Yahweh, the God of Israel, in the house of Jeroboam.

General verses:

Job_30:23 KJ2000 For I know that you will bring me to death, and to the house appointed for all living.

Pro_14:32 WEB The wicked is brought down in his calamity, But in death, the righteous has a refuge²⁶²⁰ [châsâh].

Lk 23:43 "today you'll be with me in paradice"

But it does have fire:

Deu_32:22 KJV For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell,⁷⁵⁸⁵ and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

1Sa_2:6 KJV The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave,⁷⁵⁸⁵ and bringeth up.

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He leaD CAPTIVITY

Jon_2:1-6 KJ2000 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, 2 And said, I cried by reason of my affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of sheol⁷⁵⁸⁵ cried I, and you heard my voice. 3 For you had cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods surrounded me: all your billows and your waves passed over me. 4 Then I said, I am cast out of your sight; yet I will look again toward your holy temple. 5 The waters surrounded me, even to the soul: the deep closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. 6 I went down to the foundations of the mountains; the earth with her bars closed about me forever: yet have you brought up my life from the pit, [KJV "corruption"] O LORD my God.

Psa_16:10 KJ2000 For you will not leave my soul in sheol; neither will you allow your Holy One to see corruption.

Psa_116:3-8 KJV The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell⁷⁵⁸⁵ gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow. ...I beseech thee, deliver my soul. 5 Gracious is the LORD, ...8 For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling.

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Act_2:24 KJV Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

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>>Scrip:

otherwise, your children would be unclean, but now they are holy

Nothing unholy or unclean goes into God’s kingdom.

Death does not judge anyone. Each receives whatever state they die in. No Judgment is necessary for the temporal state of waiting for the Judgment.

There is nothing at death that turns an unholy baby into a holy baby.

There is, however, the unspecified possibility and apparent likelihood and expectation that Judgment provides a vindication for those who have been given unequal privileges in this life.

>> unholy babies do not go to heaven!

Isn’t this saying,

“for of such…” “Whosoever shall… receive the kingdom of God as a little child…[receives it] “of such” “little children [who] come unto me” “of such…is the kingdom of God” [whether “infant” or “child”]

Other thoughts

I used to use this to say that all children instantly go to heaven upon death, and so I see why it can be used that way, but I consider that this addresses ‘a child that receives…’ Not simply ‘a child that is born.’ But this should not pose a BIG problem either way for others who disagree, since I would consider that all babies who die eventually inherit the kingdom of Heaven, only some less fortunate after perishing and hopefully being redeemed at judgment.

The reference that I was trying to remember was in fact to “Jeroboam” (not Ahab):

1Ki_14:10-13 KJV Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone. 11 Him that dieth of Jeroboam in the city shall the dogs eat; and him that dieth in the field shall the fowls of the air eat: for the LORD hath spoken it. 12 Arise thou therefore, get thee to thine own house: and when thy feet enter into the city, the child shall die. 13 And all Israel shall mourn for him, and bury him: for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found some good thing toward the LORD God of Israel in the house of Jeroboam.

The Covenantal Response

The other option would be that perhaps one may think that the children/infants are ‘receiving’ the kingdom by virtue of the fact that their parents are bringing them to Jesus and so would be saved in this way. Those who consider it this way would say that parents can in some since vicariously ‘save’ their children by their faith, by dedicating them to God, which is not unreasonable given concepts like 1 Cor_7:14 (also compare Tit_1:6).

Now if we add to this the example of circumcision and understand our (new) covenant to be transferable to our children in the same way, we have also given the basis for Infant Baptism, for Jesus said: ‘Suffer little children [or infants] to come unto me,’ – (even meaning if they are carried in their parents arms). This is noticeably Covenantal Theology. In this since, they are saved by the name of Jesus being spoken over them, and their parent’s vicarious “acceptance” of it for their children’s sake by having them baptized.

This is the exact sense in which Cyprian and all the council with him, as well as the Apostolic Constitutions defends infant baptism, and is similar in essence to some things Irenaeus said. [Compare “Interesting quote from Irenaeus” below]

Nonetheless, for this passage (Luke_18:15-17) I would on one hand take it the children themselves are accepting the kingdom at such an early stage of life (brephos). Their acceptance is our example and model of how to receive the kingdom of Heaven, and if that is in fact a pattern that we must conform to as Jesus says, this would indicate a conscious choice that we are to imitate. How can we choose to receive ‘like a child’ if the child (or infant) is not choosing?

But if I wanted to agree with the early Church I would have to say He means ‘choose in such a way as those who can’t even choose but simply receive.’ Because all the early church quotes I’ve seen so far understand that babies can be “vicariously” saved in this way.

But again in both cases, whether a son of Jeroboam or a baptized child, they would seem to both eventually make it in the end. But lest (as the early church would put it) a baby should perish [while I would specify: perish first and then hopefully be redeemed later], it seems best to “baptize” babies, in some and every way seeking to commit them to God’s covenant vicariously imparting as much of God’s favor as possible through our own faith. In the worst case scenario, ‘we have put water on them’ but in the worst case scenario otherwise ‘we have let them perish,’ and we can only hope that God will redeem them later, ‘no thanks to us.’

Inheriting the Kingdom vs. Going There Prematurely

Should we at some point make a distinction between receiving the Kingdom of Heaven, and going to heaven temporarily while waiting for Judgment?

If we say that unholy children do not go to heaven, this is not the same as saying that unholy children, who died in unwilling unholiness, will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

The main question is at what point do relatively innocent, yet unholy, children find redemption?

There is no redemption in death, but only in life, and resurrection, and the vindication of the righteous Judgment of God.

In the light of God’s long-awaited Justice, there is life, and reward, and happiness, and redemption, and even salvation.

Interesting quote from Irenaeus

For He came to save all through means of Himself--all, I say, who through Him are born again to God --infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men. He therefore passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, thus sanctifying infants; a child for children, thus sanctifying those who are of this age, being at the same time made to them an example of piety, righteousness, and submission; a youth for youths, becoming an example to youths, and thus sanctifying them for the Lord.

Jim Email

From: Jim Barger II [mailto:jimbarger2@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:08 AM
To: Josiahs Scott
Subject: infants

Josiahs,

Just a couple of relavent facts concerning our discussion. Clearly in Lukes account, the word for a literal infant, is initially used, to describe the type of children that were being brought to Jesus to be blessed. Although the word for 'little children',

(v.16) could mean a young child that has some level of understanding, it also refers to an infant in it's meaning. Since Jesus responds to the rebuke of the infants mentioned, we can conclude that he is also referring to actual infants, which he then states, that the Kingdom of God, is composed of this type of innocent and pure character.

And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

(Luke_18:15-17)

Infants - brephos, bref'-os

Of uncertain affinity; an infant (properly unborn) literally or figuratively: - babe, (young) child, infant.

little children - paidion, pahee-dee'-on

Neuter diminutive of G3816; a childling (of either sex), that is, (properly) an infant, or (by extension) a half grown boy or girl; figuratively an immature Christian: - (little, young) child, damsel.

(Adam Clarke)

The state of infants dying before they are capable of hearing the Gospel, and the state of heathens who have no opportunity of knowing how to escape from their corruption and misery, have been urged as cases of peculiar hardship. But, first, there is no evidence in the whole book of God that any child dies eternally for Adamʼs sin. Nothing of this kind is intimated in the Bible; and, as Jesus took upon him human nature, and condescended to be born of a woman in a state of perfect helpless infancy, he has, consequently, sanctified this state, and has said, without limitation or exception, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God. We may justly infer, and all the justice as well as the mercy of the Godhead supports the inference, that all human beings, dying in an infant state, are regenerated by that grace of God which bringeth salvation to all men, Tit_2:11, and go infallibly to the kingdom of heaven. As to the Gentiles, their case is exceedingly clear. The apostle has determined this; see Rom_2:14, Rom_2:15, and the notes there. He who, in the course of his providence, has withheld from them the letter of his word, has not denied them the light and influence of his Spirit; and will judge them in the great day only according to the grace and means of moral improvement with which they have been favored. No man will be finally damned because he was a Gentile, but because he has not made a proper use of the grace and advantages which God had given him. Thus we see that the Judge of all the earth has done right; and we may rest assured that he will eternally act in the same way.

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12/15/14; 2/21/17 (recompiled)

One silly Bible hater tried to disprove Act_2:38 (εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν) by focusing on the word "for" in English, and referenced a very unusual English usage in Luk_5:14 (περὶ τοῦ καθαρισμοῦ) to out-wit what Acts clearly says. But they are different words!

http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/acts2.html

12/15/14

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Infant Baptism?

10/16/16

Act_16:33 CAB And taking them along in that same hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he and all his family were baptized.

Act_16:33 Greek καὶ παραλαβὼν αὐτοὺς ἐν ἐκείνῃ τῇ ὥρᾳ τῆς νυκτὸς ἔλουσεν ἀπὸ τῶν πληγῶν, καὶ ἐβαπτίσθη αὐτὸς καὶ οἱ αὐτοῦ πάντες παραχρῆμα,

>> TSK

How covenantially transferable is the faith of the New Covenant?

Wife and baby -- But Now They Are Holy

Before we get too elated, the child is sanctified by the same principle as the unsaved spouse, so even though vicarious faith purifies unto holiness of flesh, it does not confer salvation of the Spirit.

Does this mean that a baptized/christened child still needs a fundamental baptism of repentance?

We do not thoroughly know these things from first-hand knowledge from heaven, so we will not answer dogmatically.

We will do whatever is safest until we get a prophecy:

Wash/“Baptize” a child by our faith (remembering that in the wider and more biblical usage of the word to baptize) and we will also call the child to a “baptism of repentance”, or whatever other term is more Orthodox and appropriate

We differ to an update whenever prophets, prophecies, and spiritual helps may help us know more certainty and specifics on these needs.

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1/27/15

Ultimately, the reaquirement for baptising is someone who is true and somehow commissioned by God.

In virtually every case this would mean that only a baptised person would baptise others, but since we have no known apostolic sucession left in the world, the only chance for life so far is if God starts things over again and makes 'a root grow out of dry ground'.

These days of apostacy seem to draw us into the most strained and impossible situations! And although under normal and good circumstances we would never even have to face or consider this scenario, John the Baptist shows us that even though he 'needed to be baptised by Jesus', yet he was still able to validly and divinely baptise Jesus. Of all unlikely things, ironically this gives us hope, that contrary to our dier context, we can still see life start all over again at this time in history, much like it did originally when a true voice started proclaiming in the wilderness and washing people of their sins...

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1/26/15

Baptism is directly associated with being made a disciple:

Gospel: 'Jesus baptized more disciples than John, although he himself was not baptizing...'

Mat28: Go into all the world and mk disciples, baptizing them...

- Peter says it saves!

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Baptism cautions:

Jesus Himself was not immersing...

> this shows: (1) baptism = discipleship (2) Jesus always insists that God wants to use people, and that faithful, divine delegation perfectly works (and refuses to leave room for the heretical notion that god just wants to use god...) (3) A slightly implied contradiction of personal ambition to be the one who actually imersed

- 1co: Paul says he was glad not to have immersed when the Corinthians began to boast in the fleshly reputation of the apostles..

- Peter says it is not the physical removal of dirt from the body that saves...

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I am definitely against “Baptismal regeneration” (which rebelliously supposes that flesh can save) but I agree with the Bible when it teaches ‘salvation by baptism.’ – there is a big difference.

the unbiblical washings that do not wash or save you from sin

Since modern societies have never heard the real Good Announcement (the one in the Bible) it is futile, vain, worthless, and even fool-hearty to go on talking about our various opinions about baptism. The Jesus we have preached in modern societies is evil, and our filthy

Due to the real truth like this (which no one actually believes anymore) I have to insist

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From: Jim Barger II [mailto:jimbarger2@yahoo.com]

Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 11:40 AM

To: Josiahs Scott

Subject: RE: Baptism & 'Baptismal regeneration'

Thanks for the response. I read everything at the link, but it raises a question;

When you concluded with the analogy of water baptism being the christians alter call and first step in following Jesus, would it be accurate to say that;

One that has truly been baptized with Jesus baptism, and made a new creation by the work of God circumcising the heart through faith, they would naturally be expected to seek water baptism as the sign of their new birth through faith in Jesus, just like circumcision was the sign that Abraham so readily received and obeyed, though he was counted righteous while uncircumcised?

I'm simply trying to understand how people today, on the authority of the early church, can believe that their is a necessary efficacy in water baptism, (including the mode) that completes what is lacking in the new birth, (partaking of the divine nature). I see the scripture clearly teaches water baptism as the sign of the new birth under the new covenant, as circumcision was in the old, yet the faith that saves, is unchanged. Have I overlooked something? Thanks friend.

Jim II

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It turns out I’ve actually harshly confronted and rejected heretics like the ones you’re describing (esp. those who use “the mode” as a way to make flesh the answer to salvation; in my case they were based in Georgia – and I actually recorded the conversation).

‘wouldn’t a truly saved person seek baptism?’ –

Yes, I definitely agree. But the Scripture does not simply call circumcision “a symbol of faith,” but rather, it was a sign that sealed Abraham’s faith:

Rom_4:11 CAB And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while in uncircumcision…

And although baptism and circumcision are comparable in many ways (as being ‘seals’ of different covenants), yet they are distinct when it comes to salvation: circumcision was delayed eight days after person’s birth; baptism is held out as the immediate means of a person’s birth. Circumcision was assigned to the flesh as a parable we now experience in the spirit by faith. Baptism is not part of a fleshly covenant in any way, but a spiritual one. Circumcision could in no way save, but if we make blanket statements like, ‘baptism doesn’t save,’ we definitely need to repent. If Peter says that it does save, we need to be able to agree with him before we can have a Biblical theology about baptism.

When you have passages that talk like, ‘why do you wait? Rise up, get immersed, and wash your sins away,’ we have no ability under the authority of Jesus to assert that baptism must be always distinct from salvation and the forgiveness of sins (although it certainly can be, as in Acts chapter 10)

It is always easier to give a clear-cut explanation (one way or the other) that easily makes sense to the flesh, but those who go to heaven will submit where the Scriptures speak, even if that makes them no longer have an explanation for what they want to believe. It is not ‘what makes sense’ that is spiritual, but that which is totally submissive. We need to be able to agree with the Bible when it speaks about a thief on the cross, and we need to be able to submit to the words of God when He calls us to salvation by baptism.

Salvation By Baptism

~2001-2004; 7/22/12 (partly revised and formatted; +Word: Created/Revised); 2/20/17 (recompiled); 3/11/17

It should first be made absolutely clear that the Bible does not hold to the doctrine known as “Baptismal Regeneration”. This doctrine in its extreme disobeys Acts 10 and says that people are not saved until they are baptized, and if they die on the way to immersion then they would go to Hell. The Bible condemns Bible disobedience, so obviously this is not true. Despite this, the Bible very clearly teaches that clean, righteous baptism saves.

But simply because of the Bible’s insistance I must believe contrary to the way that I was brought up.

How Clean Immersion Saves

-- Under Construction --

Whenever we may have more help, hopefully we can include much more here.

Col_2:12 Buried with him by baptism

Act_22:15-14 Paul get up and wash your sins away

Mk 16:16 Believes and is baptized

1Pet_3:20-21 This water symbolizes Baptism which now saves you….

-Baptism is not an optional serimony! The sacraments are more important than we think!

It is not like the lame unbiblical analogy that I have heard given that says, ‘Baptism is like a wedding ring. It is very nice but is not absolutely necessary.’ -It is absolutely necessary. Given all of the scriptures and abandoning all of the sickening human traditions as just cited, baptism is more like this:

If you are saved then it is like a job interview in which you are consequently given a job. If you don’t show up for the first day of work then your job is nullified. What good is a job or how valid is a salvation if you do not show up for the first order of bisiness? A job that was started is instantly useless if someone does not show up for the first day.

Another important thing to get is that salvation and baptism were not differentiated in the early church. Especially seeing that Baptism was a cultural sign which God had John the Baptist and then Jesus pick up and use as a means to communicate ones willingness to repent and follow the Baptiser.

Here are some examples:

Ethiopian unick, “here is water. What keeps me from being baptized?”

What must we do?… Repent and be baptized

John’s baptism was the alter call! So was Jesus! (Jesus was making more disciples than John by, BAPTISM!) -Who are you becoming a disciple of? If it is Jesus then he will do it to you as he did to them, by baptism!

Although not like Baptimal Regeneration: Jailer washed wounds then whole house hold was baptized. If he needed first to be baptized to be saved and have any repentance and his works count for any thing (such as washing the wounds of the apostles which was certainly an act of restitution for his wrong) then he would have first asked to be baptized.

More anti-Bap Regen Scriptures

I am glad no baptise any of you

Christ did not send me to baptise but to…preach?

1Cor_1:17

Thief on the cross (cult claimed to just believe the Bible! But everyone = same mistake! Don’t except obvious Biblical truth but always try to go around it 1. Grave is not better than cross… it was the belly of the earth 2. It was not enough to partisipate in cross, he was dying for his own sin Pluss baptism was already instituted. John the apostle would not have had to be baptized then. 3. Jesus could do anything such as forgive him - well then so can we forgive sins- Jesus had less ability than we do).- It is the churche’s authority to forive sins.. “whoevers sins you forgive they are forgiven…”

It was the new cov preached to the thief wich would nessesitate baptism as much as today.

4. Jesus and his disciples all had to be baptized! The cross was not enough for Jesus to have been obedient. So the thief would also have needed baptism.

(cite new cove preached from John the B.)

The thief on the cross is the exception and as some have said, the fact that it is an exception proves that the rule is a rule.

I sympathise a lot with the regenerationists plight because of the continuous bad examples most evangelical church people set in neglecting the importance of this sacriment. We are supposed to be beyond reproach. Let us not let cults who rongly obsess over baptism have some right complaint over us. One came to me and complaibed about how those among our number say ‘jut pray this little prayer…’

And neglect baptism.

A sad Mind I had... because of lack of integrity under the discipleship I was in

I say like Pastor L, ‘It can happen just like that!’ -All it takes is, make Jesus your Lord. But Abraham’s faith was absolutely followed by works, and if we can do the first then we can know that we have not the right faith that abe had. -Especially meaning those who know better. The uneducated may indeed be different.

Opinion:

God does look at the heart, and the heart is the most important part of baptism that saves you.

Gal_3:26 Put on Christ with baptism

Infant baptism.

Sprinkling/pouring

Num_8:7 WEB You shall do this to them, to cleanse them: sprinkle the water of cleansing on them, let them shave their whole bodies with a razor, and let them wash their clothes, and cleanse themselves.

Num_8:7 And thus shall you perform their purification: you shall sprinkle them with the water of purification, and a razor shall come upon the whole of their body, and they shall wash their garments, and shall be clean.

Num_8:7 καὶ οὕτως ποιήσεις αὐτοῖς τὸν ἁγνισμὸν αὐτῶν· περιρρανεῖς αὐτοὺς ὕδωρ ἁγνισμοῦ, καὶ ἐπελεύσεται ξυρὸν ἐπὶ πᾶν τὸ σῶμα αὐτῶν, καὶ πλυνοῦσιν τὰ ἱμάτια αὐτῶν καὶ καθαροὶ ἔσονται.

>> Sync: RAS | GePa > Biblical Beards

Abrahm’s coveneant of circumsition

Abe had saving faith before he was circumcised

Would not have continued to be saved if didn’t get circumcised \/

God would have killed Moses for not circumcising his kid (whom he loved and who was a predissesor for Jesus!)

Just for leaders? -No. In the law they were cut off from their people with out it.

If this was how important the first sign of the old covenant was, then we are illogical and Biblically inconsistent to think that this present sign of baptism is less important (Greater cov, based on better promises… Died at the hand of 2 or 3 witnesses, how much greater judgement do you supose they will have who have trampled the son of God… Greater covanent).

In baptism:

Acts_10:48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. ...

(Also see: Acts_2:38, 8:12, 8:16, 19:5, and 1Cor_1:13-15)

Just Believe

JN 6:26 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, you are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. [27] Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."

JN 6:28 Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"

JN 6:29 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

JN 6:30 So they asked him, "What miraculous sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? [31] Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "

JN 6:32 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. [33] For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."

JN 6:34 "Sir," they said, "from now on give us this bread."

JN 6:35 Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. [36] But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. [37] All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. [38] For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. [39] And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. [40] For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

JN 6:41 At this the Jews began to grumble about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven." [42] They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, `I came down from heaven'?"

JN 6:43 "Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered. [44] "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. [45] It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me. [46] No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. [47] I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life. [48] I am the bread of life. [49] Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. [50] But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. [51] I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

'Not Bap.'?

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AC 16:29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. [30] He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

AC 16:31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household." [32] Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. [33] At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. [34] The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God--he and his whole family.

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RO 3:21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. [22] This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.

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RO 4:9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. [10] Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! [11] And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them.

Rom_5:23 The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, [24] but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

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RO 10:8 But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: [9] That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [10] For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved... 13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

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1CO_1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? [21] For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

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GAL_3:22 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

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Ordinances – C – Trine Immersion

Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

Recompiled: 6/24/10; Revised: 6/25/10; 7/3/10; 4/26/11; 1/20/12; 2017 (recompiled, as seen above?); 3/11/17

Personal, Shorthand Notes

I am covering issues here that are not normally addressed or debated by the majority of churches, but I have found the need to address these things because smaller restoration type people have proposed them

These are unpublished personal notes for our community.

Like usual, in cases like this, you should contact us so that we can teach you all of these exciting and helpful things.

Important Explanation

These are personal notes that I compiled to confront some heretics that were gloating and glorying in filthy flesh for salvation. These many intricate details actually require a lot of explanation, especially for the uninformed. – please contact me if you would like to learn and understand these notes!

Bible Passages

John’s Baptism

-- Under Construction --

One of the Biggest Proof against Trine Immersion.

It is absolutely obvious that John was not trine immersing, and the Bible clearly said it was a New Testament saving immersion.

Jesus is our model, and He sanctified the waters and the practice when He received the Holy Spirit. All of the members of the trinity where there and divinely active in a single-immersion.

And since trine immersionists make so much of history, we might quote a more Biblical figure in history than the ones they quote.

What Ignatius said

-- Under Construction --

“For our God, Jesus Christ, was, according to the appointment³⁸ of God, conceived in the womb by Mary, of the seed of David, but by the Holy Ghost. He was born and baptized, that by His passion He might purify the water.”

[³⁶ Again, περίψημα, translated “offscouring,” 1Co_4:13]

(Ignatius, The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians, Chap. XVIII; Vol. 1, Ante-Nicene Fathers, in e-Sword at 1.04.02; Note: this is also affirmed in the letter “to Smyrnaeans,” as well as the spurious, false additions to the letter “to the Trallians”)

If the Apostle John’s disciple affirms the Scriptures to establish that Jesus “purified the waters,” he does this in faith for our sakes who also receive the same cleansed immersion, which our forerunner tasted on our behalf, when He received it from John the Baptist as a single immersion for the seal of the New Covenant. If Jesus so purified the waters on our behalf and His followers glorified in this behalf, who is he but a pervert that declares the waters “unclean” which we receive by faith and obedience for salvation, even as a single immersion according to the pattern that Jesus Himself received through John the Baptist on our behalf.

And Irenaeus confesses truth when he says against the heretics:

“…yet not learning this fact, that the Lord, when thirty years old, came to the baptism of truth”

(Irenaeus, Against Heresies. (Cont.), Book II. (Cont.), Chap. X, Point 2; Vol. 1, Ante-Nicene Fathers, in e-Sword at 1.08.08)

It is ever so interesting that the catholic falsification of this passage so potently does warfare against this passage from Ignatius to establish the religiosity of their trinity:

“For the Son of God, who was begotten before time began³⁷, and established all things according to the will of the Father, He was conceived in the womb of Mary, according to the appointment of God, of the seed of David, and by the Holy Ghost. For says [the Scripture], “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and He shall be called Immanuel.” (Isa_7:14; Mat_1:23) He was born and was baptized by John, that He might ratify the institution committed to that prophet.”

In that to the Smyrnaeans:

“He was truly born of a virgin, was baptized by John, in order that all righteousness might be fulfilled (Mat_3:15) by Him”

Only ONE Immersion

-- Under Construction --

And how would you propose Trine immersion when the Bible specifically says “ONE immersion”?

Eph_4:5 CAB one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

Eph_4:5 GNT εἷς Κύριος, μία πίστις, ἕν βάπτισμα·

["ἕν" is the same terminology used in the preceeding verse: Eph_4:4 GNT ἕν σῶμα καὶ ἕν Πνεῦμα, καθὼς καὶ ἐκλήθητε ἐν μιᾷ ἐλπίδι τῆς κλήσεως ὑμῶν·]

Col_2:12 CAB having been buried together with Him in [the one] baptism [immersion], in which also you were raised together through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Col_2:12 GNT συνταφέντες αὐτῷ ἐν τω^T-DSN βαπτίσματι^N-DSN, ἐν ᾧ καὶ συνηγέρθητε διὰ τῆς πίστεως τῆς ἐνεργείας τοῦ Θεοῦ τοῦ ἐγείραντος αὐτὸν ἐκ νεκρῶν.

Greek Church may be faithful to their own language in immersing people, but they are just as much unfaithful to their own language when they immerse three times when paul says there is only one.

One immersion in Eph_4:5 means one immersion, or else you need to insert 3 imersons for each name in Mat_28

Coming Out of the Immersion = Resurrection

-- Under Construction --

> And How many times are we supposed to die and be resurrected??

Rom_6:3-4; Col_2:12-13; Col_3:1-3;

(Also compare: 1Co_15:3-4)

How many times do we do this???

death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus (Rom 6 and Col 2

see:

Romans_3:23-26, 5:8-10)

In the Name of Jesus

If the Bible out-right says this, it cannot be disputed or altered to mean something other than what it plainly says. If you object to repeating the words of Acts, there are serious concerns for your soul.

"baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus" (Acts_8:5, 12, 16)

Singular-tense Baptism Examples

-- Under Construction --

Joh_3:5 CAB Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless someone is born^V-APS-3S [γεννηθη^G1080] of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Mar_16:16 CAB He that believes and is baptized [βαπτισθεὶς ^V-APP-NSM] shall be saved; but he that does not believe shall be condemned.

Act_2:38 CAB Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let each of you be baptized [βαπτισθήτω^{G907 V-APM-3S}] in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act_22:16 CAB And now, what are you going to do? Arise and be baptized [βάπτισαι^{G907 V-AMM-2S}], and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'

Also compare: Tit_3:5 ^N-GSN - [λουτρου]

Many People = the Greek Plural aspect

-- Under Construction --

At times baptism is used in a plural aspect, but this is usually because it is addressing multiple people

Act_2:41 CAB Then those who gladly received his word were baptized [ἐβαπτίσθησαν^{G907 V-API-3P}]; and that day about three thousand souls were added.

Mat_28:19

Others:

Gal_3:27 ^V-API-2P; Heb_10:22^V-RPP-NPM - bap not sprincle; and compare...

Heb_6:1-2 ^N-GPM

-- Under Construction --

- You cannot say that the word means repetition and that Hebrews 6 speaks of repetitions just because it is plural. Either Plurality is in the word or the tense, but if you make it both then it necessarily means: multiple plural immersions.

- Since it is a noun and not a verb, it technically refers to the thing of baptisms, and apparently by implication also includes multiple applications of baptism: "the thing of immersions teaching")

- The Naaman example was not plural, nor does plural ever indicate number of times, but always indicates numbers of people, (or numerous things as in Mar_7:4) or at the very least, different instances of baptism.

Mar_7:4 CAB And coming from the marketplace, unless they bathe [βαπτίσωνται^{G907 V-AMS-3P} ], they do not eat. And there are many other things which they have received by tradition, like the washing [βαπτισμοὺς^{G909 N-APM}] of cups and pitchers, copper vessels and couches.

(What the Jews had was called Plural)

Is this what is intended: Joh_1:33; Mat_20:22

Naaman Example

-- Under Construction --

singular

2Ki_5:14 CAB So Naaman went down, and dipped himself [εβαπτισατο^{G907 V-AMI-3S}] seven times in the Jordan, according to the word of Elisha; and his flesh returned to him as the flesh of a little child, and he was cleansed.

Aorist - A'ORIST, n. [Gr. indefinite, of a priv. and limit.]

The name of certain tenses in the grammar of the Greek language, which express time indeterminate, that is, either past, present or future.

> p. 93 ALS

Mat_28:19 - In The Name

-- Under Construction --

Mat_28:19 GNT πορευθέντες μαθητεύσατε πάντα τὰ ἔθνη, βαπτίζοντες ^V-PAP-NPM αὐτοὺς εἰς τὸ ὄνομα ^N-ASN τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ καὶ τοῦ ῾Αγίου Πνεύματος,

Do we say that “the language is elliptical” so that the action must be carried over three times? It has been said to me, “In Greek, there is one verb that requires three distinct actions.”

But Consider the Equal scenario in a similar statement:

Luk_9:26 CAB For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in [1] His own glory, and [2] in His Father's, and of [3] the holy angels.

The Greek here works almost exactly like Mat 28:

Luk_9:26 GNT ὃς γὰρ ἂν ἐπαισχυνθῇ με καὶ τοὺς ἐμοὺς λόγους, τοῦτον ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἐπαισχυνθήσεται, ὅταν ἔλθῃ [1] ἐν τη δόξῃ αὐτοῦ καὶ [2] τοῦ πατρὸς καὶ [3] τῶν ἁγίων ἀγγέλων.

(Compare: Mat_16:27; Mar_8:38; and also: Mat_25:31; 2Th_1:7-8)

Considerations

So we know that there are not three occurrences of Jesus’ coming, but only one, with three aspects of glory in it. But if we admit this, then the Greek also holds that there is one immersion (like Paul says in Eph_4:5) which has three particular aspects of God over it.

And Jesus does not say, “in the names” but “in the name.” If the Greek church or any other group wants to affirm Trine Immersion, they need to actually answer this question, instead of excusing it off as a meaningless detail.

One Name (Mat 28), One immersion (Eph 4), One God (in the Bible), all with three glorious aspects presiding over the practice.

Example:

- Firm: He does not deposit 1,000 three times! That would make $3,000

-Jesus returns in the Glory of the Father and His angels

Laying on of hands

method and proof of effectiveness

Act_19:1-6

More Greek Details in the Bible

G911 to Dip

-- Under Construction --

something in something; usually part of something is "dipped"

Exo_12:22; Lev_4:6; Lev_4:17; Lev_9:9; Lev_11:32 (whole thing); Lev_14:6; Lev_14:16; Lev_14:51; Num_19:18; Deu_33:24; Jos_3:15; Rth_2:14; 1Sa_14:27; 2Ki_8:15 (whole thing); Job_9:31(whole person); Psa_68:23; Dan_4:33; Dan_5:21 (whole person?);

Luk_16:24; Joh_13:26 (remember Rth_2:14); Rev_19:13;

G907 to Immerse

-- Under Construction --

to do it to someone or something

2Ki_5:14; Isa_21:4; Mat_3:6; Mat_3:11; Mat_3:13; Mat_3:14; Mat_3:16; Mat_28:19; Mar_1:4; Mar_1:5; Mar_1:8; Mar_1:9; Mar_6:14; Mar_6:24; Mar_7:4; Mar_10:38; Mar_10:39; Mar_16:16; Luk_3:7; Luk_3:12; Luk_3:16; Luk_3:21; Luk_7:29; Luk_7:30; Luk_11:38; Luk_12:50; Joh_1:25; Joh_1:26; Joh_1:28; Joh_1:31; Joh_1:33; Joh_3:22; Joh_3:23; Joh_3:26; Joh_4:1; Joh_4:2; Joh_10:40; Act_1:5; Act_2:38; Act_2:41; Act_8:12; Act_8:13; Act_8:16; Act_8:36; Act_8:38; Act_9:18; Act_10:47; Act_10:48; Act_11:16; Act_16:15; Act_16:33; Act_18:8; Act_19:3; Act_19:4; Act_19:5; Act_22:16; Rom_6:3; 1Co_1:13; 1Co_1:14; 1Co_1:15; 1Co_1:16; 1Co_1:17; 1Co_10:2; 1Co_12:13; 1Co_15:29; Gal_3:27;

Not translated consistently in NT:

Mar_7:1-5; Luk_11:38;

G1686 to Dip in

embáptō (G1686), to dip in.

Mat_26:23; Mar_14:20;

Idzo Does Not Require “Repeated” as much as “Doing” Action

-- Under Construction --

It was said, “Baptidzo is a frequentive of ‘bapto’ (immerse) with the ‘idzo’ signiying a repeated action ‘to dip repeatedly’ (Thayer)”

I disagree with this statement:

(1) Thayer is frequently lose and creative in his definitions (as opposed to specific, exact and literal);

(2) It is plain that Idzo can have an “ing” effect, and very frequently cannot include multiple actions

(3) It is completely obvious from the way that this word is used that it does not speak of multiple immersions:

- John’s Baptism was obviously not multiple immersions, and that is the word that is used

- Jesus’ Baptism was not multiple in Joh_4:1

- Do you think People re-baptized Jesus’ disciples after the ‘death burial and resurrection’?? Did Jesus’ initial baptisms also “become invalid” as heretical dispensationalists claim against John’s baptism?

There are countless verbs where Idzo Does not Speak of a repeated action

G48 ἁγνίζω hagnizō hag-nid'-zo

From G53; to make clean, that is, (figuratively) sanctify (ceremonially or morally): - purity (self).

G140 αἱρετίζω aihretizō hahee-ret-id'-zo

From a derivative of G138; to make a choice: - choose.

G163 αἰχμαλωτίζω aichmalōtizō aheekh-mal-o-tid'-zo

From G164; to make captive: - lead away captive, bring into captivity.

G332 ἀναθεματίζω anathematizō an-ath-em-at-id'-zo

From G331; to declare or vow under penalty of execration: - (bind under a) curse, bind with an oath.

G339 ἀνακαθίζω anakathizō an-ak-ath-id'-zo

From G303 and G2523; properly to set up, that is, (reflexively) to sit up: - sit up.

G340 ἀνακαινίζω anakainizō an-ak-ahee-nid'-zo

From G303 and a derivative of G2537; to restore: - renew.

G416 ἀνεμίζω anemizō an-em-id'-zo

From G417; to toss with the wind: - drive with the wind.

G560 ἀπελπίζω apelpizō ap-el-pid'-zo

From G575 and G1679; to hope out, that is, fully expect: - hope for again.

G592 ἀποδιορίζω apodiorizō ap-od-ee-or-id'-zo

From G575 and a compound of G1223 and G3724; to disjoin (by a boundary, figuratively a party): - separate.

G597 ἀποθησαυρίζω apothēsaurizō ap-oth-ay-sow-rid'-zo

From G575 and G2343; to treasure away: - lay up in store.

G607 ἀποκεφαλίζω apokephalizō ap-ok-ef-al-id'-zo

From G575 and G2776; to decapitate: - behead. [how many times is this happening?]

G642 ἀπορφανίζω aporphanizō ap-or-fan-id'-zo

From G575 and a derivative of G3737; to bereave wholly, that is, (figuratively) separate (from intercourse): - take.

G673 ἀποχωρίζω apochōrizō ap-okh-o-rid'-zo

From G575 and G5563; to rend apart; reflexively to separate: - depart (asunder).

G805 ἀσφαλίζω asphalizō as-fal-id'-zo

From G804; to render secure: - make fast (sure).

G816 ἀτενίζω atenizō at-en-id'-zo

From a compound of G1 (as a particle of union) and τείνω teinō (to stretch); to gaze intently: - behold earnestly (stedfastly), fasten (eyes), look (earnestly, stedfastly, up stedfastly), set eyes.

G853 ἀφανίζω aphanizō af-an-id'-zo

From G852; to render unapparent, that is, (actively) consume (becloud), or (passively) disappear (be destroyed): - corrupt, disfigure, perish, vanish away.

G873 ἀφορίζω aphorizō af-or-id'-zo

From G575 and G3724; to set off by boundary, that is, (figuratively) limit, exclude, appoint, etc.: - divide, separate, sever.

G875 ἀφρίζω aphrizō af-rid'-zo

From G876; to froth at the mouth (in epilepsy): - foam.

In some cases may imply repetition:

G233 ἁλίζω halizō hal-id'-zo

From G251; to salt: - salt.

G653 ἀποστοματίζω apostomatizō ap-os-tom-at-id'-zo

From G575 and a (presumed) derivative of G4750; to speak off hand (properly dictate), that is, to catechize (in an invidious manner): - provoke to speak.

For more see:

www.TrueConnection.org/strongs/G

D:/Files/www.TrueConnection.org/strongs/G/index.htm

Didache - Chapter 7

-- Under Construction --

Interlinear

7.1 Περὶ δὲ τοῦ βαπτίσματος, οὕτω βαπτίσατε· ταῦτα πάντα προειπόντες βαπτίσατε εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ καὶ τοῦ ἁγίου Πνεύματος ἐν ὕδατι ζῶντι.

(1) Now concerning baptism, baptize as follows: after you have reviewed" all these things, baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Mat_28:19) in running water.

7.2 ἐὰν δὲ μὴ ἔχῃς ὕδωρ ζῶν, εἰς ἄλλο ὕδωρ βάπτισον· εἰ δ' οὐ δύνασαι ἐν ψυχρῷ, ἐν ϑερμῷ.

(2) But if you have no running water, then baptize in some other water; and if you are not able to baptize in cold water, then do so in warm.

7.3 ἐὰν δὲ ἀμϕότερα μὴ ἔχῃς, ἔκχεον εἰς τὴν κεϕαλὴν τρὶς ὕδωρ εἰς ὄνομα Πατρὸς καὶ Υἱοῦ καὶ ἁγίου Πνεύματος.

(3) But if you have neither, then pour water on the head three times "in the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit."
[This English version is much more accurate than others that insert the word “the” into the midst where it is not in the Greek]

7.4 πρὸ δὲ τοῦ βαπτίσματος προνηστευσάτω ὁ βαπτίζων καὶ ὁ βαπτιζόμενος καὶ εἴ τινες ἄλλοι δύνανται. κελεύεις δὲ νηστεῦσαι τὸν βαπτιζόμενον πρὸ μιᾶς ἢ δύο.

(4) And before the baptism, let the one baptizing and the one who is to be baptized fast, as well as any others who are able. Also, you must instruct the one who is to be baptized to fast for one or two days beforehand.

[this is definitely not Biblical!]

Considerations

- Didache is the only considerable testimony

- But it is not Biblical in its ideals of fasting for three days

- Still, it seems to be more concerned with what type of water than how many times to immerse; It never actually says to immerse three times

History

-- Under Construction --

Tertullian

"To deal with this matter briefly, I shall begin with baptism.8 When we are going to enter the water, but a little before, in the presence of the congregation and under the hand of the president, we solemnly profess that we disown the devil, and his pomp, and his angels. Hereupon we are thrice immersed, making a somewhat ampler pledge than the Lord has appointed in the Gospel."

(The Writings of Tertullian, 3.01.08 Chap. III)

Trine Immersion People

“the Marcionites and Valentinus and his followers held baptism in high esteem (Hagenbach). They did not belong to the church--the Catholic church--of that time, and Hagenbach testifies that their "mode of baptism differed from that of the Catholic church." What was their mode of baptizing? [84] Hagenbach says it was trine immersion--"the threefold baptism of the Marcionites." Thurman also states that Marcion, the leader of the Marcionites, commenced "to baptize the Gentiles by dipping them three times." Marcion pretended to bring about the restoration of primitive doctrine and polity; but is set down here by these two authorities as deviating from the practice of the Catholic, or general church as it was then, in the matter of baptism.”

Marcion, according to Guericke and Shedd, was a very likely person to begin such an innovation. He was an anti-Judaistic Gnostic, and in strong sympathy with the Gentile-Christian tendency. He was the son of a bishop, said to have been excommunicated by his own father on account of his contempt for ecclesiastical authority and Apostolical tradition. It was the main characteristic of his school, according to Niednier, to sunder Christianity from its historical connections. He believed in three deific [85] principles, if he was not what we would properly call a Trinitarian; which could account for his threefold baptism. Although we do not say that in these things we have sufficient positive proof that he originated trine immersion, it yet shows that such origin would not be inconsistent. And when we add to this the incontroverted testimony of Hagenbach, as above given, the case becomes increasingly clear and indisputable.

http://www.sooperarticles.com/spirituality-articles/religion-articles/origin-trine-immersion-12952.html

“Augustine (de Bapt., lib. vi, cap. 25), Cyprian (Epist. lxxiii), Tertullian (de Bapt., c. 13), and others. Basil speaks of baptism as invalid if not administered with the words of the formula in Matthew (De. Sp. Scto., cap. 12)”

http://www.sooperarticles.com/spirituality-articles/religion-articles/origin-trine-immersion-12952.html

Crisostym

I think he must have spoken Latin

Spoke the insanity of one baptism in 3 immersions

Single Immersion People?

-- Under Construction --

I would like to verify these claims. I am not saying that the examples ar significant, but just that I am recording the names of reportedly specifically single-immersion people in history

Eunomius > Unomians – 360

the followers of Noetus and Beryllus

Marcionites - Marcion and his followers

Monarch/ Sabellians

p. 456 Dictionary of EC beliefs

“Not only have we the testimony of Hagenbach, who cites authorities, that Marcion and his followers baptized by a "mode of baptism different from the Catholic [or general] church," and that it was "a threefold baptism"; but we also have evidence to show that other schools and sects of the same time did not practice the threefold baptism of the Marcionites. Bishop Beveridge says: "The Monarchians, the Praxeans, and other heretics did not baptize by trine immersion." They were heretics, according to certain criteria of judgment, just as the Marcionites and Valentineans were. All these parties or sects flourished about the same time. Along with the two specifically mentioned by Beveridge as practicing single immersion are generally classed the followers of Noetus and Beryllus; the former of Asia Minor, the latter of Arabia. Here, then, we have single immersion testified to as being practiced before the time of Tertullian, and under circumstances which indicate that it was the original practice.”

http://www.sooperarticles.com/spirituality-articles/religion-articles/origin-trine-immersion-12952.html

“But Ambrose favored the use of the shorter formula.”

http://www.sooperarticles.com/spirituality-articles/religion-articles/origin-trine-immersion-12952.html

The Greek Church

-- Under Construction --

They say Trine is the only way, but they are clearly demonic. How can I base my soul on them for truth??

Baptism Additions

Baptism - In Depth

Specific/ local baptism thoughts

- Baptizo (G907) itself does not mean to dip repeatedly (Thayer is just sloppy) > It may be applied that way like any other word, but the word itself does not mean that!

>> where does the "one baptism" fit into this?

Trine thoughts

I do not know if this is a good example that a tract gave:

Exo_3:15 CAB And God said again to Moses, Thus shall you say to the sons of Israel: The Lord God of our fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: this is My name forever, and My memorial to all generations.

Exo_3:15 LXX καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεὸς πάλιν πρὸς Μωυσῆν Οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ Κύριος ὁ θεὸς τῶν πατέρων ὑμῶν, θεὸς Αβρααμ καὶ θεὸς Ισαακ καὶ θεὸς Ιακωβ, ἀπέσταλκέν με πρὸς ὑμᾶς· τοῦτό μού ἐστιν ὄνομα αἰώνιον καὶ μνημόσυνον γενεῶν γενεαῖς.

- it usually occurs in the singular number

- and how many singular user are there ?

Unity Of The Righteous

Disunity of churchianity

Other date(s); 4/6/25; 4/10/25

>> comp. non-contradiction vs. disunity of churchianity / Church disunity does not Disprove the Bible

>> Sync: RAS | BIT

-- Under Construction --

Preview of Unity

Preview Overview of Perfect Unity

>>Scrip:

Disciples Commanded To Have The Same Heart Soul

TSK: of the: Rom_15:5, Rom_6:2, 2Ch_30:12, Jer_32:39, Act_4:32, 1Co_1:10, Phi_1:27, Phi_2:2, Phi_2:3, Phi_3:16, Phi_4:2, 1Pe_3:8

Mind: Psa_131:1, Psa_131:2, Jer_45:5, Mat_18:1-4, Mat_20:21-28, Luk_4:6-11, Luk_22:24-27, 1Pe_5:3, 3Jo_1:9, Rev_13:7, Rev_13:8

\/

2Ch_30:10-12 – one heart to obey neglected Passover under Hezekiah

Jer_32:38-39 – Unity for God-fear and good (blessing)

[last 2 references incl. children being blessed]

Act_4:32 – multitude of one heart and one soul

Rom_15:5 – same mind

Phi_1:27 – stand in one spirit & soul

Phi_2:1-3 – cheerful same mind, Love, together-soul in the mind

Phi_3:16 – 'marching' to the same mind and cannon

Phi_4:2 – Euodia Syntyche exhorted to same mind

1Pe_3:8 – all do together-likeness-mindedness together passionately-hurting warm liking as brothers good bowels, A: pressed down / B: warm liking minded

2Co_7:3 – living and dying together

.. plenty of horizontal justice...

2Co_7:6-7, 2Co_7:13 – Paul comforted by Titus & Titus by Corinthians

>> same 2Co_7:1

>>TSK

1Co_1:10 – speak the same thing

...τὸ αὐτὸ λέγητε πάντες, καὶ μὴ ᾖ ἐν ὑμῖν σχίσματα, ἦτε δὲ κατηρτισμένοι ἐν τῷ αὐτῷ νοῒ καὶ ἐν τῇ αὐτῇ γνώμῃ.

1Co_2:11 – who knows the things of man except the spirit of man

τίς γὰρ οἶδεν ἀνθρώπων τὰ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου εἰ μὴ τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ ἀνθρώπου τὸ ἐν αὐτῷ...

>> 1Co_4: – don't judge hidden motives

>> 1Co_8: – puffing knowledge

Rom_12:1 – This is your logical service…

τὴν λογικὴν λατρείαν ὑμῶν

Rom_12:3-16 – serve each other

Rom_12:16 be of the same minding into one another

τὸ αὐτὸ εἰς ἀλλήλους φρονοῦντες

Rom_12:18 “If possible—so far as in you—with all men being in peace” (LSV?)

μετὰ πάντων ἀνθρώπων εἰρηνεύοντες

Rom_15:5 Now may the God of patience and of encouragement grant you to be like-minded among one another, according to Christ Jesus,

Rom_15:5 ὁ δὲ Θεὸς τῆς ὑπομονῆς καὶ παρακλήσεως δῴη ὑμῖν τὸ αὐτὸ φρονεῖν ἐν ἀλλήλοις κατὰ Χριστὸν ᾿Ιησοῦν,

Heb_12:14-17 * – Pursue peace & holiness WITH all men

Εἰρήνην διώκετε μετὰ πάντων...

2Ti_2:22 – Pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace, WITH those calling upon...

...δίωκε δὲ δικαιοσύνην, πίστιν, ἀγάπην, εἰρήνην μετὰ τῶν ἐπικαλουμένων τὸν Κύριον ἐκ καθαρᾶς καρδίας

Jam_3:17-18 – Make & Sow Peace

καρπὸς δὲ τῆς δικαιοσύνης ἐν εἰρήνῃ σπείρεται τοῖς ποιοῦσιν εἰρήνην

Eph_4:1-8 – Walk in Humility & Unity;

Eph_4:3 – keep the unity of the Spirit

σπουδάζοντες τηρεῖν τὴν ἑνότητα τοῦ Πνεύματος ἐν τῷ συνδέσμῳ τῆς εἰρήνης

Col_3:13-17, etc. – upon all: Love...the together bond of the perfection (with Disciples)

ἐπὶ πᾶσι δὲ τούτοις τὴν ἀγάπην, ἥτις ἐστὶ σύνδεσμος τῆς τελειότητος

1Co_14:1 – Pursue the Love

Διώκετε τὴν ἀγάπην

(serving others: 1Co_14:2-40)

Remember: 2Ti_2:22

* TSK-Summarized: Gen_13:7-9 (Abraham & Lot Division), Psa_34:14 (seek peace), Psa_38:20 (they slander instead), Psa_120:6 (MT: Land with no peace), Psa_133:1 (brothers living in unity), Pro_15:1 (soft/submissive answer turns away wrath), Pro_16:7 (peace w enemies), Pro_17:14 (avoid strife), Isa_11:6-9 (animals made peaceful), Mat_5:9 (peacemakers), Mar_9:50 (salty peace with one another), Rom_12:18 (peace if possible – seen above), Rom_14:19 (chase/pursue peaceful things), 1Co_1:10 (seen above), Gal_5:22-23 (fruit of the Spirit...peace), Eph_4:1-8 (seen above), 1Th_5:15 (no nasty/hurt for nasty/hurt [κακὸν ἀντὶ κακοῦ]), 1Ti_6:11 (chase/pursue love meekness), 2Ti_2:22 (pursue WITH... – seen above), Jam_3:17-18 (real peaceful yielding redemptively-merciful wisdom), 1Pe_3:11 (seek & chase peace)

>>TSK

>>

Issac w the well

>>

One mouth glorify Lord

Loving Obeyers with Righteousness

Loving & Re-Loving Each Other – Prep for Jesus’ Coming

3/30/25…4/1/25; 4/3/2; 4/6/25 (refined & recompiled)…4/10/25-4/11/25

See: LOV >

Perfect-Love.htm#LovingObeyers

Perfect-Love.htm#BelievingPerfectLove

Perfect-Love.htm#PositivityTowardObeyers

Perfect-Love.htm#Crowns

Perfect-Love.htm#

Perfect-Love.htm#

Perfect-Love.htm#

Perfect-Love.htm#

Optimized Talking

Communication at its Best!

4/6/25; 4/13/25

See: LOV > Refresh

Perfect-Love.htm#Refresh

Desolation to Faith

· Real Faith Needed: You need clean faith that matches your profession, and claim to submission to obedience, and consistently agrees with your first claim to acceptance of the Truth, without hypocritical inconsistency!

· Virtuous Communication: If you have integrity breaches, these risk, challenge, and strain your communication attempts toward each other (2Co_6), so, let your desolation drive you to brokenness and faith toward God and His agents who speak His Words to you!

Optimistic from being Optimized -- Prepared Virtue

Preparation for…

· (A) Logical Virtue: the intentional moral quality and hopeful excellence of questions is necessary indeed, and so is…

· (B) desolation-awareness, as well as…

· (C) Horizontal Honesty & Integrity: the logically resulting faith toward all of the light and Truth that is available through each other.

You can diligently Work & look forward to giving each other life, and then…

· (A) the conversation goes better, and

· (B) gives you more energy for living, and

· (C) does not tax the rest of the day (when stepping aside to recharge), and

· (D) is more affordable by all parties involved.

From Taxing to Addiction

We need to be a breath of fresh air for each other!

We need to be the most reliable and consistent source known for refreshing each other and recharging each other’s batteries!

We need to be the unchallenged unique source of encouragement, optimism, and hope for each other in the universe that has no parallel or competition…

We need to believe in each other’s Truest identity so that we’ll have real Love, and so that we make the value which we give to each other so addicting that we can’t stay away from each other!

Bringing morally optimized faith and right-thinking to each other, that doesn’t inconsistently “beg questions” and endanger the basis of the Good Message, not only makes talking together less taxing and more affordable, but also makes it more sustainable, and even dependable and worthy of dependence. You can not only afford it, but you cannot afford to go without it.

Demand More From Yourself

So: learn the moral skill and virtue of serious and responsible question asking!

Demand more faith and action from yourself in proactively producing fruit consistent with accepting the Truth and begging for discipleship and apprehending reciprocation and sharpening from each other (Pro_27:17, as quoted below).

The Point: Doing more work on your end is one of the biggest needs among all of us right now.

There are already far too many “naturally occurring trials” of providence and persecution; we have no need to pile burdens on top of ourselves and others to make the race more bitter than it already is, especially when we owe sweetness to each other as good trees.

That’s what is means to “do more work on your end” -- and STOP making others “beat you” before you’ll acknowledge justice!

Sweet vs. Bitter Water

4/6/25

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Jas_3:11 NKJV Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening?

Jas_3:11 SBL μήτι ἐκ τῆς αὐτῆς ὀπῆς βρύει τὸ γλυκὺ καὶ τὸ πικρόν ὕδωρ;

Jas_3:12 NKJV Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.

Jas_3:12 SBL μὴ δύναται, ἀδελφοί μου, συκῆ ἐλαίας ποιῆσαι ἢ ἄμπελος σῦκα; οὐδὲ ἁλυκὸν ποιῆσαι γλυκὺ ὕδωρ.

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Jas_3:8 CAB But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unrestrainable evil, full of deadly poison.

Jas_3:8 τὴν δὲ γλῶσσαν οὐδεὶς δύναται ἀνθρώπων δαμάσαι· ἀκατάσχετον κακόν, μεστὴ ἰοῦ θανατηφόρου.

Jas_3:8 την δε γλωσσαν ουδεις Aδαμασαι δυναται ανθρωπων Aακαταστατον TSBδαμασαι TSBακατασχετον κακον μεστη ιου θανατηφορου

Jas_3:9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who are created according to the likeness of God.

Jas_3:9 ἐν αὐτῇ εὐλογοῦμεν τὸν Θεὸ καὶ πατέρα, καὶ ἐν αὐτῇ καταρώμεθα τοὺς ἀνθρώπους τοὺς καθ᾿ ὁμοίωσιν Θεοῦ γεγονότας·

Jas_3:9 εν αυτη ευλογουμεν τον Aκυριον TSBθεον και πατερα και εν αυτη καταρωμεθα τους ανθρωπους τους καθ ομοιωσιν θεου γεγονοτας

Jas_3:10 Out of the same mouth come blessings and curses. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.

Jas_3:10 ἐκ τοῦ αὐτοῦ στόματος ἐξέρχεται εὐλογία καὶ κατάρα. οὐ χρή, ἀδελφοί μου, ταῦτα οὕτω γίνεσθαι.

Jas_3:10 εκ του αυτου στοματος εξερχεται ευλογια και καταρα ου χρη αδελφοι μου ταυτα ουτως γινεσθαι

Jas_3:11 The spring does not pour forth from the same opening both the sweet and the bitter water, does it?

Jas_3:11 μήτι ἡ πηγὴ ἐκ τῆς αὐτῆς ὀπῆς βρύει τὸ γλυκὺ καὶ τὸ πικρόν;

Jas_3:11 μητι η πηγη εκ της αυτης οπης βρυει το γλυκυ και το πικρον

Jas_3:12 It is not possible, my brothers, for a fig tree to make olives, or a vine to make figs, is it? Thus no spring is able to produce both salt and sweet water.

Jas_3:12 μὴ δύναται, ἀδελφοί μου, συκῆ ἐλαίας ποιῆσαι ἢ ἄμπελος σῦκα; οὕτως οὐδεμία πηγὴ ἁλυκὸν καὶ γλυκὺ ποιῆσαι ὕδωρ.

Jas_3:12 μη δυναται αδελφοι μου συκη ελαιας ποιησαι η αμπελος συκα Aουτε TSBουτως TSBουδεμια TSBπηγη αλυκον TSBκαι γλυκυ ποιησαι υδωρ

Make A Tree Good

Mat_12:33 CAB "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree rotten and its fruit rotten; for a tree is known by its fruit.

Mat_12:33 ῎Η ποιήσατε τὸ δένδρον καλὸν, καὶ τὸν καρπὸν αὐτοῦ καλόν, ἢ ποιήσατε τὸ δένδρον σαπρὸν, καὶ τὸν καρπὸν αὐτοῦ σαπρόν· ἐκ γὰρ τοῦ καρποῦ τὸ δένδρον γινώσκεται.

√ GNT-V

If you do this to each other, then what do you think your relationships are going to look like?

Exo_15: Waters of Bitter-Marah, Made Sweet

7 Post-Red Sea Location-Names

Seven Names of Locations After The Red Sea Exodus

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(1) Exo_15:22 – Shur (no water)

(2) Exo_15:23 – Mara/Bitter Waters

(3) Exo_15:27 – Elim (12 Springs & 70 [Date?] Palms)

(4) Exo_16:1 – Sin-Wilderness (Quail & Manna)

(5) Exo_17:1 – Rephidim (no water), i.e....

(6) Exo_17:6 – Horeb (Rock Water & Amalek)

[Exo_18 – Jethro & Judges]

(7) Exo_19 – Sinai

[Exo_20 – 10 commandments]

Exo_15:23 WEB When they came to Marah, they couldn't drink from the waters of Marah, for they were bitter. Therefore its name was called Marah.

Exo_15:23 LB And they came to Marah, and they could not drink the water of Marah, for it was bitter; therefore he named the name of that place, Bitterness.

Exo_15:23 ἦλθον δὲ εἰς Μερρα καὶ οὐκ ἠδύναντο πιεῖν ἐκ Μερρας, πικρὸν γὰρ ἦν· διὰ τοῦτο ἐπωνομάσθη τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ τόπου ἐκείνου Πικρία.

Exo_15:24 WEB The people murmured against Moses, saying, "What shall we drink?"

Exo_15:24 And the people murmured against Moses, saying, “What shall we drink?”

Exo_15:24 καὶ διεγόγγυζεν ὁ λαὸς ἐπὶ Μωυσῆν λέγοντες Τί πιόμεθα;

Exo_15:25 WEB Then he cried to Yahweh. Yahweh showed him a tree, and he threw it into the waters, and the waters were made sweet. There he made a statute and an ordinance for them, and there he tested them;

Exo_15:25 And Moses cried to the Lord, and the Lord showed him a tree, and he cast it into the water, and the water was sweetened. There He established to him ordinances and judgments, and there He proved him,

Exo_15:25 ἐβόησεν δὲ Μωυσῆς πρὸς κύριον· καὶ ἔδειξεν αὐτῷ κύριος ξύλον, καὶ ἐνέβαλεν αὐτὸ εἰς τὸ ὕδωρ, καὶ ἐγλυκάνθη τὸ ὕδωρ. ἐκεῖ ἔθετο αὐτῷ δικαιώματα καὶ κρίσεις καὶ ἐκεῖ ἐπείρασεν αὐτὸν

Exo_15:26 WEB and he said, "If you will diligently listen to the voice of Yahweh your God, and will do that which is right in his eyes, and will pay attention to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you, which I have put on the Egyptians; for I am Yahweh who heals you."

Exo_15:26 and said, “If you will indeed hear the voice of the Lord your God, and do the things pleasing before Him, and will heed His commands, and keep all His ordinances, no disease which I have brought upon the Egyptians will I bring upon you, for I am the Lord your God that heals you.”

Exo_15:26 καὶ εἶπεν Ἐὰν ἀκοῇ ἀκούσῃς τῆς φωνῆς κυρίου τοῦ θεοῦ σου καὶ τὰ ἀρεστὰ ἐναντίον αὐτοῦ ποιήσῃς καὶ ἐνωτίσῃ ταῖς ἐντολαῖς αὐτοῦ καὶ φυλάξῃς πάντα τὰ δικαιώματα αὐτοῦ, πᾶσαν νόσον, ἣν ἐπήγαγον τοῖς Αἰγυπτίοις, οὐκ ἐπάξω ἐπὶ σέ· ἐγὼ γάρ εἰμι κύριος ὁ ἰώμενός σε.

Exo_15:27 WEB They came to Elim, where there were twelve springs of water, and seventy palm trees: and they encamped there by the waters.

Exo_15:27 And they came to Elim, where there were twelve fountains of water and seventy stems of palm trees; and they camped there by the waters.

Exo_15:27 Καὶ ἤλθοσαν εἰς Αιλιμ, καὶ ἦσαν ἐκεῖ δώδεκα πηγαὶ ὑδάτων καὶ ἑβδομήκοντα στελέχη φοινίκων· παρενέβαλον δὲ ἐκεῖ παρὰ τὰ ὕδατα.

You need to tap into the New Covenant like Moses foreshadowed so that you can be, and become, sweet good trees to each other!

2 Better Than 1

Ecc_4:7 WEB Then I returned and saw vanity under the sun.

Ecc_4:7 LB So I returned, and saw vanity under the sun.

Ecc_4:7 Καὶ ἐπέστρεψα ἐγὼ καὶ εἶδον ματαιότητα ὑπὸ τὸν ἥλιον.

Ecc_4:8 WEB There is one who is alone, and he has neither son nor brother. There is no end to all of his labor, neither are his eyes satisfied with wealth. For whom then, do I labor, and deprive my soul of enjoyment? This also is vanity, yes, it is a miserable business.

Ecc_4:8 There is one alone, and there is not a second; yes, he has neither son nor brother: yet there is no end to all his labor; neither is his eye satisfied with wealth. And for whom do I labor, and deprive my soul of good? This is also vanity, and an evil trouble.

Ecc_4:8 ἔστιν εἷς, καὶ οὐκ ἔστιν δεύτερος, καί γε υἱὸς καὶ ἀδελφὸς οὐκ ἔστιν αὐτῷ· καὶ οὐκ ἔστιν περασμὸς τῷ παντὶ μόχθῳ αὐτοῦ, καί γε ὀφθαλμὸς αὐτοῦ οὐκ ἐμπίπλαται πλούτου. καὶ τίνι ἐγὼ μοχθῶ καὶ στερίσκω τὴν ψυχήν μου ἀπὸ ἀγαθωσύνης; καί γε τοῦτο ματαιότης καὶ περισπασμὸς πονηρός ἐστιν.

Ecc_4:9 WEB Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their labor.

Ecc_4:9 The Value of a Friend Two are better than one, seeing they have a good reward for their labor.

Ecc_4:9 ἀγαθοὶ οἱ δύο ὑπὲρ τὸν ἕνα, οἷς ἔστιν αὐτοῖς μισθὸς ἀγαθὸς ἐν μόχθῳ αὐτῶν·

Ecc_4:10 WEB For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow; but woe to him who is alone when he falls, and doesn't have another to lift him up.

Ecc_4:10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his companion. But woe to him that is alone when he falls, and there is not a second to lift him up.

Ecc_4:10 ὅτι ἐὰν πέσωσιν, ὁ εἷς ἐγερεῖ τὸν μέτοχον αὐτοῦ, καὶ οὐαὶ αὐτῷ τῷ ἑνί, ὅταν πέσῃ καὶ μὴ ᾖ δεύτερος τοῦ ἐγεῖραι αὐτόν.

Ecc_4:9-10 NKJV Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their labor. For if they fall, one will lift up his companion.

Ecc_4:11 WEB Again, if two lie together, then they have warmth; but how can one keep warm alone?

Ecc_4:11 Again if two should lie together, they also have warmth. But how shall one be warmed who is alone?

Ecc_4:11 καί γε ἐὰν κοιμηθῶσιν δύο, καὶ θέρμη αὐτοῖς· καὶ ὁ εἷς πῶς θερμανθῇ;

Ecc_4:12 WEB If a man prevails against one who is alone, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

Ecc_4:12 And if one should prevail against him, the two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord cannot easily be broken.

Ecc_4:12 καὶ ἐὰν ἐπικραταιωθῇ ὁ εἷς, οἱ δύο στήσονται κατέναντι αὐτοῦ, καὶ τὸ σπαρτίον τὸ ἔντριτον οὐ ταχέως ἀπορραγήσεται.

Iron Sharpens Iron

Pro_27:17 NKJV As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend.

Pro_27:17 MTבַּרְזֶל בְּבַרְזֶל יָחַד וְאִישׁ יַחַד פְּנֵי רֵעֵהוּ׃

Pro_27:17 LXX Σίδηρος σίδηρον ὀξύνει, ἀνὴρ δὲ παροξύνει πρόσωπον φίλου.

Open Your Constraint Against the Truth

4/6/25

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2Co_6:12 NKJV You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted by your own affections.

2Co_7:2 NKJV Open your hearts to us. We have wronged no one, we have corrupted no one, we have cheated no one.

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(A) Open to US; Separate from Worldly Apostates

2Co_6:10 CAB as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

2Co_6:10 ὡς λυπούμενοι ἀεὶ δὲ χαίροντες, ὡς πτωχοὶ πολλοὺς δὲ πλουτίζοντες, ὡς μηδὲν ἔχοντες καὶ πάντα κατέχοντες.

2Co_6:11 O Corinthians! We have spoken openly to you, our heart has been opened wide.

2Co_6:11 Τὸ στόμα ἡμῶν ἀνέῳγε πρὸς ὑμᾶς, Κορίνθιοι, ἡ καρδία ἡμῶν πεπλάτυνται·

2Co_6:12 You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted by your own affections.

2Co_6:12 οὐ στενοχωρεῖσθε ἐν ἡμῖν, στενοχωρεῖσθε δὲ ἐν τοῖς σπλάγχνοις ὑμῶν·

2Co_6:13 Now in return for the same--I speak as to children--you also be opened wide.

2Co_6:13 τὴν δὲ αὐτὴν ἀντιμισθίαν, ὡς τέκνοις λέγω, πλατύνθητε καὶ ὑμεῖς.

ES: The Temple of the Living God

2Co_6:14 Do not become unequally yoked with unbelievers; for what participation is there for righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion is there for light with darkness?

2Co_6:14 Μὴ γίνεσθε ἑτεροζυγοῦντες ἀπίστοις· τίς γὰρ μετοχὴ δικαιοσύνῃ καὶ ἀνομίᾳ; τίς δὲ κοινωνία φωτὶ πρὸς σκότος;

2Co_6:14 μη γινεσθε ετεροζυγουντες απιστοις τις γαρ μετοχη δικαιοσυνη και ανομια Aη τις TSBδε κοινωνια φωτι προς σκοτος

2Co_6:15 And what agreement is there for Christ with Belial? Or what part is there for a believer with an infidel?

2Co_6:15 τίς δὲ συμφώνησις Χριστῷ πρὸς Βελίαλ; ἢ τίς μερὶς πιστῷ μετὰ ἀπίστου;

2Co_6:15 τις δε συμφωνησις Aχριστου TSBχριστω προς Sβελιαλ TBAβελιαρ η τις μερις πιστω μετα απιστου

2Co_6:16 And what union is there for the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, just as God has said: "I will dwell in them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."

2Co_6:16 τίς δὲ συγκατάθεσις ναῷ Θεοῦ μετὰ εἰδώλων; ὕμεῖς γὰρ ναὸς Θεοῦ ἐστε ζῶντος, καθὼς εἶπεν ὁ Θεὸς ὅτι ἐνοικήσω ἐν αὐτοῖς καὶ ἐμπεριπατήσω, καὶ ἔσομαι αὐτῶν Θεός, καὶ αὐτοὶ ἔσονταί μου λαός.

2Co_6:16 τις δε συγκαταθεσις ναω θεου μετα ειδωλων Aημεις TSBυμεις γαρ ναος θεου Aεσμεν TSBεστε ζωντος καθως ειπεν ο θεος οτι ενοικησω εν αυτοις και εμπεριπατησω και εσομαι αυτων θεος και αυτοι εσονται Aμου TSBμοι λαος

2Co_6:17 Therefore "Come out from the midst of them and be separated," says the Lord. "Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you."

2Co_6:17 διὸ ἐξέλθατε ἐκ μέσου αὐτῶν καὶ ἀφορίσθητε, λέγει Κύριος, καὶ ἀκαθάρτου μὴ ἅπτεσθε, κἀγὼ εἰσδέξομαι ὑμᾶς,

2Co_6:17 διο Aεξελθατε TSBεξελθετε εκ μεσου αυτων και αφορισθητε λεγει κυριος και ακαθαρτου μη απτεσθε καγω εισδεξομαι υμας

2Co_6:18 "I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty."

2Co_6:18 καὶ ἔσομαι ὑμῖν εἰς πατέρα, καὶ ὑμεῖς ἔσεσθέ μοι εἰς υἱοὺς καὶ θυγατέρας, λέγει Κύριος παντοκράτωρ.

√ GNT-V

(B) Receive Us by Cleanness

2Co_7:1 CAB Therefore [ταύτας οὖν], having these promises [ἐπαγγελίας], beloved, let us cleanse [καθαρίσωμεν] ourselves from all filthiness [μολυσμοῦ] ·of the flesh [σαρκὸς] and spirit [πνεύματος], perfecting [ἐπιτελοῦντες] holiness ·in the fear of God [ἐν φόβῳ Θεοῦ – in God phobia/fear].

2Co_7:1 ταύτας οὖν ἔχοντες τὰς ἐπαγγελίας, ἀγαπητοί, καθαρίσωμεν ἑαυτοὺς ἀπὸ παντὸς μολυσμοῦ σαρκὸς καὶ πνεύματος, ἐπιτελοῦντες ἁγιωσύνην ἐν φόβῳ Θεοῦ.

ES: Paul's Joy

2Co_7:2 Receive us in your hearts [i.e. 2Co_6:11-13] [Χωρήσατε ἡμᾶς – (comp. Gen_13:6 LXX {Abraham & Lot}; Mat_15:17 {food in stomach})]. ·We have wronged [ἠδικήσαμεν – i.e. damaged with injustice/unrighteousness] no one [οὐδένα], ·we have corrupted [ἐφθείραμεν] no one [οὐδένα], ·we have defrauded [ἐπλεονεκτήσαμεν] no one [οὐδένα].

2Co_7:2 Χωρήσατε ἡμᾶς· οὐδένα ἠδικήσαμεν, οὐδένα ἐφθείραμεν, οὐδένα ἐπλεονεκτήσαμεν.

2Co_7:3 I do not speak to condemn you [κατάκρισιν]; for I have said before [προείρηκα] that you are in our hearts [ὅτι ἐν ταῖς καρδίαις ἡμῶν ἐστε], so that [εἰς τὸ] we die together [συναποθανεῖν] and we live together [συζῆν].

2Co_7:3 ^TSBοὐ πρὸς κατάκρισιν |^Aου| λέγω· προείρηκα γὰρ ὅτι ἐν ταῖς καρδίαις ἡμῶν ἐστε εἰς τὸ συναποθανεῖν καὶ συζῆν.

2Co_7:4 Great is my confidence toward you, great is my boasting concerning you. I have been filled with comfort. I am exceedingly joyful in all our tribulation.

2Co_7:4 πολλή μοι παρρησία πρὸς ὑμᾶς, πολλή μοι καύχησις ὑπὲρ ὑμῶν· πεπλήρωμαι τῇ παρακλήσει, ὑπερπερισσεύομαι τῇ χαρᾷ ἐπὶ πάσῃ τῇ θλίψει ἡμῶν.

√ GNT-V

>> Sync: Lux / Dis / LO? | Lov / LLO? | RAS | SRP

Have Salt in Yourselves!

Mar_9:42-47 – Amputate sinning body parts

Mar_9:47 CAB "And if your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out. It would be better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into the fiery hell,

Mar_9:47 καὶ ἐὰν ὁ ὀφθαλμός σου σκανδαλίζῃ σε, ἔκβαλε αὐτόν· καλόν σοί ἐστι μονόφθαλμον εἰσελθεῖν εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἢ δύο ὀφθαλμοὺς ἔχοντα βληθῆναι εἰς τὴν γέενναν τοῦ πυρός,

Mar_9:47 και εαν ο οφθαλμος σου σκανδαλιζη σε εκβαλε αυτον καλον Aσε TSBσοι εστιν μονοφθαλμον εισελθειν εις την βασιλειαν του θεου η δυο οφθαλμους εχοντα βληθηναι εις την γεενναν TSBτου TSBπυρος

Mar_9:48 where 'Their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.'

Mar_9:48 ὅπου ὁ σκώληξ αὐτῶν οὐ τελευτᾷ καὶ τὸ πῦρ οὐ σβέννυται.

Mar_9:48 οπου ο σκωληξ αυτων ου τελευτα και το πυρ ου σβεννυται

Mar_9:49 "For everyone will be salted with fire, and every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt.

Mar_9:49 πᾶς γὰρ πυρὶ ἁλισθήσεται, καὶ πᾶσα θυσία ἁλὶ ἁλισθήσεται.

Mar_9:49 πας γαρ πυρι TSBαλισθησεται TSBκαι TSBπασα TSBθυσια TSBαλι αλισθησεται

Mar_9:50 Salt is good, but if the salt becomes unsalty, by what will you season it? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with one another."

Mar_9:50 Καλὸν τὸ ἅλας· ἐὰν δὲ τὸ ἅλας ἄναλον γένηται, ἐν τίνι αὐτὸ ἀρτύσετε; ἔχετε ἐν ἑαυτοῖς ἅλας καὶ εἰρηνεύετε ἐν ἀλλήλοις.

Mar_9:50 καλον το αλας εαν δε το αλας αναλον γενηται εν τινι αυτο αρτυσετε εχετε εν εαυτοις Aαλα TSBαλας και ειρηνευετε εν αλληλοις

Provoke to Love & Good Works

Heb_10:22 CAB let us approach with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies having been washed with clean water.

Heb_10:22 προσερχώμεθα μετὰ ἀληθινῆς καρδίας ἐν πληροφορίᾳ πίστεως, ἐρραντισμένοι τὰς καρδίας ἀπὸ συνειδήσεως πονηρᾶς καὶ λελουσμένοι τὸ σῶμα ὕδατι καθαρῷ·

Heb_10:22 προσερχωμεθα μετα αληθινης καρδιας εν πληροφορια πιστεως Aρεραντισμενοι TSBερραντισμενοι τας καρδιας απο συνειδησεως πονηρας και Aλελουσμενοι TSBλελουμενοι το σωμα υδατι καθαρω

Heb_10:23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.

Heb_10:23 κατέχωμεν τὴν ὁμολογίαν τῆς ἐλπίδος ἀκλινῆ· πιστὸς γὰρ ὁ ἐπαγγειλάμενος·

Heb_10:23 κατεχωμεν την ομολογιαν της ελπιδος ακλινη πιστος γαρ ο επαγγειλαμενος

Heb_10:24 And let us consider one another for the stirring up of love and of good works,

Heb_10:24 καὶ κατανοῶμεν ἀλλήλους εἰς παροξυσμὸν ἀγάπης καὶ καλῶν ἔργων,

Heb_10:24 και κατανοωμεν αλληλους εις παροξυσμον αγαπης και καλων εργων

Heb_10:24 NKJV And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works.

Heb_10:25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves, just as is the custom for some, but exhorting one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

Heb_10:25 μὴ ἐγκαταλείποντες τὴν ἐπισυναγωγὴν ἑαυτῶν, καθὼς ἔθος τισίν, ἀλλὰ παρακαλοῦντες, καὶ τοσούτῳ μᾶλλον, ὅσῳ βλέπετε ἐγγίζουσαν τὴν ἡμέραν.

√ GNT-V

The Righteous Spoke to Each Other!

We Need each other in this dark and desolate age!

Are you ready to help write The Book of Remembrance?

Something supernatural could be noticed in heaven from our interactions, if we just get reverent to the Truth!

Mal_3:13 WEB "Your words have been stout against me," says Yahweh. "Yet you say, 'What have we spoken against you?'

Mal_3:13 LB “You have spoken grievous words against Me,” says the Lord. “Yet you said, ‘In what way have we spoken against You?’

Mal_3:13 Ἐβαρύνατε ἐπ᾿ ἐμὲ τοὺς λόγους ὑμῶν, λέγει κύριος, καὶ εἴπατε Ἐν τίνι κατελαλήσαμεν κατὰ σοῦ;

Mal_3:14 WEB You have said, 'It is vain to serve God;' and 'What profit is it that we have followed his instructions, and that we have walked mournfully before Yahweh of Armies?

Mal_3:14 You said, ‘He that serves God labors in vain: and what have we gained in that we have kept His ordinances, and in that we have walked as suppliants before the face of the Lord Almighty?

Mal_3:14 εἴπατε Μάταιος ὁ δουλεύων θεῷ, καὶ τί πλέον ὅτι ἐφυλάξαμεν τὰ φυλάγματα αὐτοῦ καὶ διότι ἐπορεύθημεν ἱκέται πρὸ προσώπου κυρίου παντοκράτορος;

Mal_3:15 WEB Now we call the proud happy; yes, those who work wickedness are built up; yes, they tempt God, and escape.'

Mal_3:15 And now we pronounce strangers blessed; and all they who act unlawfully are built up; and they have resisted God, and yet have been delivered.’”

Mal_3:15 καὶ νῦν ἡμεῖς μακαρίζομεν ἀλλοτρίους, καὶ ἀνοικοδομοῦνται πάντες ποιοῦντες ἄνομα καὶ ἀντέστησαν θεῷ καὶ ἐσώθησαν.

Mal_3:16 WEB Then those who feared Yahweh spoke one with another; and Yahweh listened, and heard, and a book of memory was written before him, for those who feared Yahweh, and who honored his name.

Mal_3:16 The People Complain Harshly Thus they spoke, those that feared the Lord, everyone to his neighbor: and the Lord gave heed, and listened, and He wrote a book of remembrance before him for them that feared the Lord and reverenced His name.

Mal_3:16 Ταῦτα κατελάλησαν οἱ φοβούμενοι τὸν κύριον, ἕκαστος πρὸς τὸν πλησίον αὐτοῦ· καὶ προσέσχεν κύριος καὶ εἰσήκουσεν καὶ ἔγραψεν βιβλίον μνημοσύνου ἐνώπιον αὐτοῦ τοῖς φοβουμένοις τὸν κύριον καὶ εὐλαβουμένοις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ.

Mal_3:16 NKJV Then those who feared the Lord spoke to one another, and the Lord listened and heard them...

Mal_3:17 WEB They shall be mine," says Yahweh of Armies, "my own possession in the day that I make, and I will spare them, as a man spares his own son who serves him.

Mal_3:17 “And they shall be Mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day which I appoint for a peculiar possession; and I will make choice of them, as a man makes choice of his son that serves him.

Mal_3:17 καὶ ἔσονταί μοι, λέγει κύριος παντοκράτωρ, εἰς ἡμέραν, ἣν ἐγὼ ποιῶ εἰς περιποίησιν, καὶ αἱρετιῶ αὐτοὺς ὃν τρόπον αἱρετίζει ἄνθρωπος τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ τὸν δουλεύοντα αὐτῷ.

Mal_3:18 WEB Then you shall return and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him who serves God and him who doesn't serve him.

Mal_3:18 Then shall you return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, and between him that serves God, and him that does not serve Him.

Mal_3:18 καὶ ἐπιστραφήσεσθε καὶ ὄψεσθε ἀνὰ μέσον δικαίου καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον ἀνόμου καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ δουλεύοντος θεῷ καὶ τοῦ μὴ δουλεύοντος.

Communicate into Unity

2/16/25; 4/6/25 (recompiled)

Communication Efficiency

2/16/25

A 8:45 AM

QNA

Communication

Can you give us practical applications on how we can make our communications among us more efficient?

I ask because I've had a number of lengthy dialogues between different ones of us recently. On one hand I do value tooling thru things among us; at the same time there are potentially a lot more topics and discussions to go thru, and I don't think any of us has the lifespan to cover everything that could be discussed, at least not at the pace we're going and with the approaches we have had towards each other.

Any practical ideas that would help us make our discussions more efficient and successful?

I know if we generally "think right" and if we also make sure to oppose ourselves being fleshly then that would make us more successful. I would think that if it were so easy to catch ourselves thinking wrongly and to correct ourselves to think right then we wouldn't need repeated help & exhortations to think right.

Could you give us more targeted applications for how to communicate successfully? Any step by step, outlined protocols that we could follow?

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Writing is a Logical Answer

2/16/25; 4/6/25

There's a certain amount of randomness and chaos that is derived from the universe which means to be conquered and tamed.

Some chaos is avoidable by discipline and rationality so that the troubles of the universe can be mitigated by the virtue of a speaker, whereas other chaos is a constant competition against the best people including Jesus Himself who rolled with the punches and always turn chaos into solutions.

Much more concerning then the chaos in the universe, is that there's a certain amount of chaos and disorder in our brains and our souls that needs to be conquered.

The disciplines of writing and preparing structure can help conquer and overcome certain amounts of chaos both in the universe as well as in our souls.

The more you write the more you can bang your brain into the right shape of logic that it was designed to function in which drastically and dramatically changes the way you think and communicate in a way that promotes more order and fights and pushes toward more profitable results when communicating and attempting to help others understand what you're attempting to say and conquering the confusion of chaos in the universe and in each other's souls.

Understand the Use of Contrast

Contrast is a verbal thematic mechanism which is essential for logical communication.

Understand other people’s contrast more than, and instead of, trying to pull everything back to your previous point.

Each person talking needs to take turns making contrasting points and every response needs to attempt to address the point of the other person’s contrast in an orderly way

Stop preferring less mature ways of thinking and reaping miscommunication as a result

Gigantic Need:

The proper use of a woman’s “circular thinking”!

Crucifying Vain Drama is an Answer

2/16/25

Deescalate and stop being flustered, and stop doing things that fluster others! -- this is vanity because you’re creating hairballs that creates work for others to untangle instead of providing solutions for others like humans have been commanded to do!

When you’re close to a solution don’t go backward and deepen the wound -- it is usually not worth it

Go from “wound care” to “healing”, and if you can’t think sequentially, many times it is better to wait until another conversation.

Think: taboo violations, premature cans of worms, saying things out of context (without sufficiently informing and/or reminding the listeners),

This is where the principle applies:

Whoever is most offended is the one who is most wrong.

A 9:00 AM

QnA:

Agree to Disagree doctrine

2/16/25

I know we all oppose such notions, at least on paper, but there have been a number of situations that have happened among us where it can feel like we are not far from believing that doctrine in practice. How can we fight to live consistently with the truth that we can in fact agree on everything? How can we be hopeful, and live in a hopeful posture, and not cave to giving up, that all our interactions and discussions can have a good resolve to them?

(edited)

A 9:14 AM

QnA

Proceed With Life or Pause for Each Other

2/16/25

I know among us we have different life setups, and schedules, and responsibilities, and such. And even among us locally we can have different needs to meet. So pausing for questionable decisions and making sure another righteous person is on the same page with you might not often be feasible. How do you know when to prioritize another's concerns (if they do voice them) over your desire to move forward, and keep going, and proceed with life according to the best of your judgement call?

Living in Community

Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

5/26/08; 8/25/09; 9/11/09

Other dates -- recompiled between several Bible studies (incl. Repent of your Perception)

>>> insert Sync BBS <<<

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Crowning Each Other At Judgment

Original title: Needing People for Judgment

1Th_2:18-20

1Th_3:8

2Co_1:14

Phi_4:1

Rom_1:11-12

Community Plan

- commit to give each other our best

- don't be lazy toward each other

- stir up eagerness before meeting together, and while we're meeting, fight the drag of unbelief.

- you can see what your overflowing, so fix it before you overflow to others.

- examine yourself before we meet, and judge if it is right to overflow the same content on to others

- we will not doubt God's continued goodness toward each other after it has been confirmed by God

- we will believe God's favor for each other, and none of us will let any of us believe less

- we will finally live in real community and not be selfish with anything (value each other more than ourselves, including honoring others possessions more than our own)

- we will live in community and not hide our souls from each other, as much as God allows.

("not only gospel… But life [soul] as well")

- trust each other with the lot that God has given them

- we will ruthlessly submit to each other, prefer, believe, pray, share, devote to each other, believing God's favor for each other

(“you received me as an Angel of God…” [Gal _:_])

We will have "Honesty Hour" (for establishing horizontal relation) & something like 'Truth time' or ‘encouragement Hour’ (for connecting each other vertically through encouragement, prophecy, and prayer)

"Honesty Hour"

Speak complete love on each other, and entire devotion

Fully Love on each other, holding nothing back of our own souls or reserving things to “save face”… Shunning “self-preservation”

- everyone needs to pursue a super-sensitive and honest softness and supernatural eagerness

- we must extend our souls to each other

- choose faith toward each other and do everything resolutely believing in favor

- we are all in this together, and love doing things for each other’s good

- with God’s provision, we are going to get super-close to each other and are committing to not strike each other with doubt. – Among us, this “striking” will be considered abuse!

- We must be on guard against all destructive, and doubt-provoking joking

- deep altruism for each other – real community

- When we are discouraged, we will submit to each other’s faith saying, “please help me!”

- interestingly, it is when we are most empty that our choices of integrity show the most

- we will prefer to accept encouragement, rather than break unity

- we will overlook each other’s offenses, and at the same time, be glad to drag out of each other ways that we can repent more to them for our own wrongs.

(why wouldn’t you rather be wronged?)

- we will joyfully be wronged, and look for ways to repent, and repay good in the place of injustice

- we will not correct each other out of hurt, but will be weak in front of each other, and broken without despising so that we can fix and resolve all things in agreement doing all to maintain unity

- we will believe that corporate, unified, agreeing prayer does more than individual prayer

- we will joyfully seek to be helped by each other

- we will not make fleshly judgments for each other, but will humbly and submissively make exclusively spiritual judgments for each other (not against) so that we can trust each other’s words

We will not pollute selfless community with selfish romance. We will not justify flirtation and indulgence in the name of community.

This must be the most ordered and intentional thing we've ever done, because it's to be supremely meaningful.

This could be one of the most meaningful things that we’ve ever done. If my impression of what God wants to do is accurate, then I’m excited beyond words.

The Called Out Assembly Today

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2co8:19 -- travel companions are bound together to stay together and not abandon the mission

>Tsk

>> Sync: RAS | Mark

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Mediators vs. Priests

>> Dis? LO?

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Leadership Requirements

Other dates; 8/11/17

slips that do not disqualify leadership

David's one time sexual and murderous fall...?

David took a census, and was punished

Jesus sent the apostles out to preach before they had been completely refined, and tried with every trial and every season.

Jesus said, Peter Satan seeks to sift you

all the apostles denied Jesus at the Garden of Gethsemane

Peter was later rebuked by Paul

the New Testament requires that leaders be unimpeachable

>> review 1st Timothy 3, 5, Titus, and other places

Paul said, not that I have been made perfect but that I press on...

unimpeachable does not seem to mean that they have never fallen but that they don't continue in sin

even if they still need to be made perfect with Paul, and they still need to pass the test of being courageous to be a martyr like the rest of the Apostles were at first, it does not seem like this disqualifies them from going out and preaching the truth they already currently have, and preaching as they have been commissioned

Apollos did not have all the needed information, but he did have some truth, and he was praised for what he preached in a blameless way with limited knowledge

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Lev_22:2-3, etc. – the sacrifice of THE PEOPLE are considered holy, even to the leadership

Lev_22:15

supported women

Lev_22:13

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1Ti_5: widows

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Proclamation Platforms

7/19/17

TAGS: Biblical Platforms

>> come against Flash Ball video... heresy and perverted Bible disobedience

https://youtu.be/3EiZVY1Cgsk

Also:

http://www.aradicalforjesus.com/2016/01/31/the-voice-of-papa-is-the-voice-of-god-part-2-pastors/

Ezra and Nehemiah - no, we are not Satan worshipers and apostates... we don't get to blaspheme the Old Testament when there's no New Testament command that changed our updated it.

in fact, the New Testament reinforces the same real need of using platforms to Proclaim to large numbers of people.

Paul stood on the steps and spoke to the people

>> TSK

Paul stood at the top of Mars Hill

Round Table is for house churches, and steps and hills and stages are for the great assembly.

and then, the ultimate Clincher:

Jesus commanded Proclaimers to Proclaim from the housetops!

Goofy and silly Heretics and flashball perverts sometimes criticize platforms because they have this mindless notion in their head that when people meet for church it's supposed to necessarily fulfill the New Testament called out assembly.

people want the feeling of being saved/being the church more than they want to actually obey the Bible and get truth as receiving food for the salvation that they need.

the sin of typical church pastors is not simply that they use a platform.

the main moral crime that flesh perverts are not concerned with, is that peaches are not telling people that they are lost and going to hell. if they would simply tell people the truth, that they are going to hell, then this would very easily make what they're doing biblical, (especially, not to mention, if they would also confess that they themselves were wolves in sheep's clothing and that they too were lost.)

properly for filling the vital orderliness of a real righteous assembly comes way down the line after the blunt and enormous elephant that people are in absolute heresy in contradiction to all the scriptures.

....

Peter stood and preached and 3000 souls were saved and added...

preaching to many people is biblical.

….

6/27/17

proclamation is not a round table small group discussion.

Paul wanted to proclaim the good announcement at the assembly at Rome.

there is a time for prophesying, there is a time for teaching, there is a time for discussion and questions, there is a time for proclamation.

...

nor are you allowed to despise the potential righteousness of one man being the only one speaking.

as Moses, Ezra, etc. did.

what if the one person who is speaking is the only one in the room who is right and the rest are wrong?

what if the one speaking is the only one who has been filled with the one spirit who is holy and the rest are sitting by wishing and waiting that they also would be filled?

if a truth proclaimer proclaims in these desolate days, this is actually the most likely scenario!

don't start with this foolishness and demonic mindlessness of Kora's rebellion, saying, we are all holy here, and we are all filled with a spirit and where should all be speaking.

only when they are all filled do the others at Cornelius is house start speaking as

flash balls will prop themselves up and brag against people more eager and true than themselves based on external circumstances and fleshly novelties and preferences rather than the truth of saltiness and fiery proclamation.

one flesh ball prefers one flavor of sin, and another prefers another flavor of vanity and foolishness and sin, and each one uses this as leverage to prop themselves up against those who are more righteous and worthy than themselves.

when you have a congregation of sickos and perverts it does no good to stop the focus from being on the sinful pastor and put it on the sinful and worthless, ignorant people.

the problem has nothing to do with the circumstances in which evil people preach, but with the content of evil that they preach from.

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10/10/17

I can speak as one who is very rustic and hardcore and basic

when I first heard the truth, we were sitting on the floor in a portable

the vast majority of my teaching and preaching has been without a platform

I know very well how pastors have become professional platform performers (and even puppets) packing up points with the popularity of the people.

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Apostolic Succession

Elliott Nesch

“One of the very earliest epistles we have outside the NT is Clement's epistle to the Corinthians. He says:

The apostles have preached the Gospel to us from the Lord Jesus Christ; Jesus Christ [has done so] from God. Christ therefore was sent forth by God, and the apostles by Christ. Both these appointments, then, were made in an orderly way, according to the will of God. Having therefore received their orders, and being fully assured by the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, and established in the word of God, with full assurance of the Holy Ghost, they went forth proclaiming that the kingdom of God was at hand. And thus preaching through countries and cities, they appointed the first-fruits [of their labours], having first proved them by the Spirit, to be bishops and deacons of those who should afterwards believe. Nor was this any new thing, since indeed many ages before it was written concerning bishops and deacons. For thus saith the Scripture in a certain place, “I will appoint their bishops in righteousness, and their deacons in faith.” Clement of Rome (AD 30-100), 1.16

Notice "bishops and deacons." This plurality of leaders is the NT model of Church leadership (See Philippians_1:1). Next Clement says:

"Our apostles also knew, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and there would be strife on account of the office of the episcopate. For this reason, therefore, inasmuch as they had obtained a perfect fore-knowledge of this, they appointed those [ministers] already mentioned, and afterwards gave instructions, that when these should fall asleep, other approved men should succeed them in their ministry. We are of opinion, therefore, that those appointed by them, or afterwards by other eminent men, with the consent of the whole Church, and who have blamelessly served the flock of Christ in a humble, peaceable, and disinterested spirit, and have for a long time possessed the good opinion of all, cannot be justly dismissed from the ministry. For our sin will not be small, if we eject from the episcopate those who have blamelessly and holily fulfilled its duties. Blessed are those presbyters who, having finished their course before now, have obtained a fruitful and perfect departure [from this world]; for they have no fear lest any one deprive them of the place now appointed them. But we see that ye have removed some men of excellent behaviour from the ministry, which they fulfilled blamelessly and with honour" (Clement of Rome (AD 30-100), 1.17).

If ever there were a time to rebuke the church for breaking sacramental succession, it would be here. But this was not Clement's criticism, even though these Corinthians had removed some men from leadership and elected others. Nowhere does Clement even bring up apostolic succession as it is taught today. Nor does he say that the Eucharist was now void. On the contrary, the qualifications for leadership is godliness. He mentions above that while the apostles did appoint these ministers, however, other "eminent men" could appoint ministers over the flock.”

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Ireneous

“It is possible, then, for everyone in every Church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the Apostles which has been made known throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the Apostles, and their successors to our own times: men who neither knew nor taught anything like these heretics rave about. For if the Apostles had known hidden mysteries which they taught to the elite secretly and apart from the rest, they would have handed them down especially to those very ones to whom they were committing the self-same Churches. For surely they wished all those and their successors to be perfect and without reproach, to whom they handed on their authority (Against Heresies_3:3:1 [A.D. 189]).

It is necessary to obey those who are the presbyters in the Church, those who, as we have shown, have succession from the Apostles; those who have received, with the succession of the episcopate, the sure charism of truth according to the good pleasure of the Father. But the rest, who have no part in the primitive succession and assemble wheresoever they will, must be held in suspicion (ibid_4:26:2).”

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Elliott Nesch (~6/29/17) -- Tertullian

“"But if there be any (heresies) which are bold enough to plant themselves in the midst of the apostolic age, that they may thereby seem to have been handed down by the apostles, because they existed in the time of the apostles, we can say: Let them produce the original records of their churches; let them unfold the roll of their bishops, running down in due succession from the beginning in such a manner that [that first bishop of theirs] bishop shall be able to show for his ordainer and predecessor some one of the apostles or of apostolic men,—a man, moreover, who continued stedfast with the apostles. For this is the manner in which the apostolic churches transmit their registers: as the church of Smyrna, which records that Polycarp was placed therein by John; as also the church of Rome, which makes Clement to have been ordained in like manner by Peter. In exactly the same way the other churches likewise exhibit (their several worthies), whom, as having been appointed to their episcopal places by apostles, they regard as transmitters of the apostolic seed. Let the heretics contrive something of the same kind. For after their blasphemy, what is there that is unlawful for them (to attempt)? But should they even effect the contrivance, they will not advance a step. For their very doctrine, after comparison with that of the apostles, will declare, by its own diversity and contrariety, that it had for its author neither an apostle nor an apostolic man; because, as the apostles would never have taught things which were self-contradictory, so the apostolic men would not have inculcated teaching different from the apostles, unless they who received their instruction from the apostles went and preached in a contrary manner. >>>To this test, therefore will they be submitted for proof by those churches, who, although they derive not their founder from apostles or apostolic men (as being of much later date, for they are in fact being founded daily), yet, since they agree in the same faith, they are accounted as not less apostolic because they are akin in doctrine.<<< Then let all the heresies, when challenged to these two tests by our apostolic church, offer their proof of how they deem themselves to be apostolic. But in truth they neither are so, nor are they able to prove themselves to be what they are not. Nor are they admitted to peaceful relations and communion by such churches as are in any way connected with apostles, inasmuch as they are in no sense themselves apostolic because of their diversity as to the mysteries of the faith." (Tertullian, 3.258).

Note, the heretics were not "apostolic." Why? Because they had no Apostolic Succession? NO. Because they diversified the mysteries of the faith. Tertullian is arguing the exact same thing as Irenaeus above. He is not arguing for Apostolic Succession as it is understood today by EO and RC, but rather the heretics received their tradition from their own selves and were not in agreement with the Apostles. But Tertullian says even if they could produce a list of succession back to the Apostles, it didn't matter because of their false doctrine! In other words, these lists of succession are meaningless if the bishops are teaching false doctrine. Moreover, he says there are churches whose founders are NOT from apostles or apostolic men (being much later in date, for they were in fact founded daily), yet since they agreed in the same faith, they were accounted no less apostolic. So being counted apostolic has everything to do with doctrine and life, nothing to do with Apostolic Succession! Like Irenaeus, he is arguing from the standpoint of doctrine.

Did you also catch how Tertullian's list of Roman succession contradicted Irenaeus' list of Roman succession? Tertullian says Peter ordained Clement of Rome, but Irenaeus says Peter ordained Linus. Many Roman Catholic scholars have pointed out how these lists of succession are unreliable, even at this very early level. And if only one link in the chain can be broken, then the doctrine of Apostolic Succession falls apart.”

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Biblical Platforms

6/27/17

Ekklesia includes the preaching that Ezra & Moses did to large numbers of learners.

People criticize the “elevation of a person” as if there is anything wrong or idolatress or prideful about elevating a God-possessed person!

They claim to be going back to a “pure” teaching, but the y are fleshly and perverted and fool-hearty by attacking details of the context that are actually taught in the Bible rather than the content that makes the difference.

They claim to be using “Scripture alone” (which is heretical and unbiblical perversion) but they are clearly breaking Scripture by disobey Ezra and Moses and NT proclaimers!

It does not matter if it is at a platform or in a house…

The Bible commands for one person to speak at a time.

Don’t be so shallow and foolish and criticize Paul Washer for using a platform!

Evangelizing and proclaiming has nothing to do with meeting the requirements for a Biblical Assembly!

Proclaiming from a platform is Biblical,

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Hypocrites Call the Church a Hospital

4/14/17

“Corey Jones

to

Teyo Lee

April 12 at 11:08pm ·

I believe in head covering of women, in the love of Christ,but for the the love of Christ"........hender not the little ones who come unto me!...the new in the Lord are the young in the Lord, each person must come to know that all the commanments and teaching of Christ are about God's love for all of us sinners< and we are commanded in His love to patience with all in merciful love and kindness, toward all, we in humility speak with them and pray for them and keep the doors of our churches open to them.....it is all of us sinners who come to the Hospital.." Church" for our healing and deliverence.”

It is not a hospital, but a harlotry house.

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Biblical Succession

4/6/17

Lev_16:32

teach these things to faithful men...

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Synagogue Of Satan

2/09/17-2/10/17

Rev_2:9 CAB "I know your works, and your tribulation, and your poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Rev_2:9 οἶδά σου τὰ ἔργα καὶ τὴν θλῖψιν καὶ τὴν πτωχείαν· ἀλλὰ πλούσιος εἶ· καὶ τὴν βλασφημίαν ἐκ τῶν λεγόντων ᾿Ιουδαίους εἶναι ἑαυτούς, καὶ οὐκ εἰσὶν, ἀλλὰ συναγωγὴ τοῦ Σατανᾶ.

Don’t Fall In Isolation

A Letter to a new Disciple

11/27/03 (original title: Don’t Fall; +Word: Created/Modified); 2/23/17 (recompiled)

Dear new follower of Jesus or potential follower of Jesus:

In my experience of living a life obeying Jesus, I’ve seen many others try to start following Him only to fall away. Many become discouraged, and even more slip into sin because the devil tricks them, and still others fall into other traps. Because this thing is spiritual and inherently invisible and hard to figure out I am writing you to give you a heads up on how to fallow Him rightly so that you don’t spoil your chance to go to heaven and avoid God’s wrath.

I went on a missions trip to Venezuela and was exposed to things that I had never seen before. The worst was their jail system. Let me take this and make a point.

There were two men who were both wrongfully thrown into the same jail in a foreign country. In this jail it was rough and it was easy to get killed because of the violence of the inmates. Further more the jail keepers did not give them any food so if one did not know how to make money with in the prison, then the individual would literally starve.

The first one kept to him self for fear of trusting anyone. He tried to make it on his own. He starved many days and he hardly had any strength so that when one of the inmates came to attack him he was overcome, and violently beaten to death. The second saw this and took note. So he carefully searched out someone who could help him and when the second found such a one they became good friends.

The person he found taught him how to survive within the adverse system so that he stayed alive and helped other new inmates also. After two years both the first inmate and the second were found innocent and ordered to be released. But sadly it was too late for the first who had died, but for the second he came out alive and the government paid him for his wrongful sufferings.

In the same way it is foolish for you to suppose that you could figure out the transcendent ways of God by your own intellect. If you don’t get help with this pursuit, you are doomed. But if you eagerly seek help from those who have been in the game and are making it, then you have hope. I can always tell when some one is going to fall. If someone is eager to stick around and learn how to follow Jesus then I have hope for them. The Bible says,

Figuring out what is well-pleasing to the Lord. Eph_5:10 (EMTV-Based)

But those who don’t devote them selves to finding out how to do it right, I don’t even waste my hopes on them making it, because unless they change they are already as good as dead.

Heb_12:13-17 EMTV-Based ...make straight paths for your feet, so that the lame may not be turned aside, but instead be healed. 14 Pursue peace and holiness with all people, without which no one will see the Lord: 15 looking diligently lest anyone fall from the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness growing up cause trouble, and through this many be defiled; 16 in case there is any fornicator or wicked person like Esau, who in exchange for one meal gave up his birthright. 17 For you know that indeed afterward, wishing to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it out diligently with tears.