Predestination & Freewill Obedience

Repent and Believe in Predestination and Freewill Like the Bible Says!

Submissively Obeying the Biblical Teaching of Predestination and Freewill

Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

7/22/12 (recompiled); 9/26/12; 7/9/13 (SOM thoughts); 11/2/15 (Confronting the Heresy of “Limited Atonement”);

>> Additions/ TODO!

These are unpublished personal notes for our community.

Like usual, in cases like this, you should contact us so that we can teach you all of these exciting and helpful things.

These are personal notes that have been compiled from many years, starting as early as 2001. They are currently in such a raw state and in need of such great correction that I am not currently even displaying many of these notes on this webpage.

If we may ever be helped sufficiently, we greatly hope and aspire to complete many Bible studies like this.

Shocking Wrath

Why People Earn Hell – By Indulgent Sins and Victim Sins

3/21/14; 1/8/26

Indulgence creates...

Intentional Crimes, and victem crimes

both are due to luxury

People always want to fear and defend their right to fear...

You have to charge people to Spiritual warfare today like Moses had to forcefully charge them to courage and ware in the conquest of Canaan!

People are not naturally courageous, and have to overcome the inhibition that God want YOU to win and be glorified over your enemies

Freewill Exists

Conditionality Exists <<<<<<<

[ISR: ~12/31/25-1/4/26…1/7/26-1/8/26]; 1/11/26

Backlinks: ISR

This is a Quick Preview of PFO

(Predestination-and-Freewill-Obedience.htm)

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Choices Exist -- but modern rebellion-boasting-flattery is in denial of moral consequences

Flattery-boasting = equality (or even superiority) instead of consequences for being a pervert

(illogical & begging the question with boasting flattery)

Conditionality Defined with Synonyms

Provisional, contingent, dependent, tentative, subject to, qualified, restricted, limited, guarded, iffy, provisory, stipulatory, relying on, relative, reliant, with reservations, hypothetical, pending [restrictive, conditioned, ]

Factuality Questioned -- Conditionality Denied

· Does Conditionality Exist? -- in the morality of the Bible & God’s promises…

· Do choices and consequences really exist in God’s kingdom?

· Why do we even need to ask such a silly-sounding question?

· Why are we going back to kindergarten? (see: Heb_5:11-14)

· Believe it or not, the hypocrisy of church sin assumes equality and no real/substantial/eternal/geographical/radical consequences or differences between one who continues in sin and one who makes remarkable and extraordinary sacrifices (being hard core).

· Apostasy = Liberal Equality

· Sinners claiming goodness for themselves saved = Flattery, boasting, & Denial of Conditionality

· Believing/declaring you’re good/loving/wise/spiritual/Biblical/approved/saved when sinning/being imperfect = Denial of Conditionality

· Denial of Conditionality Choices and Consequences is actually a root issue that is much closer to our failing flesh than we would ever like to admit.

· Flattery is a wholesale denial of reality -- it does NOT match what is there, therefore it is NOT Truth, and is therefore not worthy of its superstitious faith claims.

· No Desolation awareness/faith/embracing and no begging for special Truth -- these ignore the Biblical-moral reality of Conditionality Choices and Consequences.

Implications of Conditionality -- Due to Factual Existence

· Conditionality Exists = Choices Exist

· Conditionality Choices and Consequences

>>>>>>>Scrip:

Rewarded for Righteousness!

We all know rewards come to those who right

But nearly everyone pretends like there is no reward for those who do the most righteousness of Bible obedience…

(by saying obedient sacrifices are just personal convictions, etc. -- this is hateful Bible disobedience and blasphemous slander against God’s inspiration within obeyers)

-- Under Construction --

Search results:

Pro_11:18 (sowing righteousness reaps a sure reward)

2Ti_4:8 (crown of righteousness for those who love His appearing) promising future blessings,

Mat_5:6 promises to fill those who hunger for righteousness,

Rev_22:12 speaks of Jesus bringing His reward to give to everyone according to their deeds

Mat_6:6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you".

Gal_6:9 And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up".

Rev_22:12 Behold, I am coming soon, my reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what he has done".

Rom_2:6-10: God "will repay each one according to his deeds. To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory honor and immortality, he will give eternal life".

1Ti_2: she will be saved… modesty…long dress…submission…saved-minded-ness

1Co_11: head coverings = communion…value…honor… (comp. Rom_2 above)

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Predestination Examples…

Which Biblical Promises are conditional and which are unconditional??

Joh_10: Unconditional Example

Joh_10:27-29 – No hand plucking (example)

· Predestination like “Hand gripping” = unconditional

· Context: God’s choice/ability -- i.e. Predestination (like Rom_8 – 9) & sheep’s resulting response

Joh_10:27 CAB My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

Joh_10:27 τὰ πρόβατα τὰ ἐμὰ τῆς φωνῆς μου ἀκούει, κἀγὼ γινώσκω αὐτά, καὶ ἀκολουθοῦσί μοι,

Joh_10:27 τα προβατα τα εμα της φωνης μου Aακουουσιν TSBακουει καγω γινωσκω αυτα και ακολουθουσιν μοι

Joh_10:28 And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

Joh_10:28 κἀγὼ ζωὴν αἰώνιον δίδωμι αὐτοῖς, καὶ οὐ μὴ ἀπόλωνται εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα, καὶ οὐχ ἁρπάσει τις αὐτὰ ἐκ τῆς χειρός μου.

Joh_10:28 καγω TSBζωην TSBαιωνιον διδωμι αυτοις Aζωην Aαιωνιον και ου μη απολωνται εις τον αιωνα και ουχ αρπασει τις αυτα εκ της χειρος μου

Joh_10:29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.

Joh_10:29 ὁ πατήρ μου, ὃς δέδωκέ μοι, μεῖζόν πάντων ἐστι, καὶ οὐδεὶς δύναται ἁρπάζειν ἐκ τῆς χειρὸς τοῦ πατρός.

Joh_10:29 ο πατηρ μου Aο TSBος δεδωκεν μοι TSBμειζων παντων Aμειζον εστιν και ουδεις δυναται αρπαζειν εκ της χειρος του πατρος TSBμου

Reminder: John’s Gospel has more extreme free-will AND extreme predestination passages then the others.

Unconditional Words

· “I know them” (Joh_10:27 -- this is eternal in Biblical context like Mat_7, etc.)

· ·“I give” -- not what man attains; NOT a human accomplishment or decision

· “eternal life” -- forever can’t change

· “never perish” -- predictive irreversibility

· “no one will snatch” (Joh_10:28)

· “no one is able to snatch” (Joh_10:29)

The Point: Jesus is very persuaded/excited about God’s eternal perspective and Irreversible ability.

Descriptions vs Conditions -- Possible Distinction

· All “fruit”/proof = results, not causes with predestination passages

· Properly: Joh_6 & Joh_10 have Descriptions, but not conditions. -- like all sovereignty & predestination passages in the Bible.

· (Predestination = directly descriptive, indirectly prescriptive -- typically leaves a mystery to keep searching out…)

· Descriptions can simply prove/verify (in some contexts), but conditions always determine -- especially in the special context of predestination

(Goal: try not to get lost in semantics, but hopefully see a potential distinction)

Descriptions of Sheep

· There are lots of ignored resulting costs associated with divine Hand-gripping (such as “listening” in Joh_10:27, etc. like Abraham who sacrificed/gave up his son in Gen_22 as a parable)

· Context: God’s Irreversible Ability (Consistent Biblical theme seen below)

· False Context: “I cannot step out of His hand even when I keep sinning” -- this is totally irrelevant and contradictory to obediently “Listening sheep” (Joh_10:27)

· Church people like to boast that “no one can snatch them out of JC's hand”, even if they continue to live in sin (they continue going on living in sin)

· Church people like to apply Joh_10 out of context when they sin and don’t meet Jesus’ descriptions of His sheep

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God’s Irreversible Ability: Rev_3:7; Job_12:14; Isa_22:22; Dan_4:35; Ecc_7:13; Job_42:2; Pro_19:21; Isa_14:27; Isa_46:10; Psa_115:3; Joh_15:16; Rom_9:11; Rom_9:15; Rom_9:18; Eph_1:11; Joh_6:37; Joh_6:44; Joh_6:65; Act_16:14; Exo_9:12; Deu_29:4; Isa_6:9–10; Joh_12:39–40; Rom_11:7; 1Co_16:9; 2Co_2:12; Col_4:3; Isa_55:11; Num_23:19; Rom_8:30

Stop Cross-contaminating/Confusing the Issues at Hand

· God’s ability is Irreversible, but our choices are very conditional.

· Stop cross-contaminating and changing the subject, and “switching horses mid-stream”

· Think whatever the Bible and morality are talking about without trying to overrule Truth with goof. (supposing that you are superceding one or other other when you are actually replacing the Bible’s context and proclaimed message.)

So, what about promises that are conditional within human choices and will?

Sovereignty AND Responsibility

· Throughout the Bible and the life of obeying it, you have to keep cycling through and reminding yourself of (1) God's glorious sovereignty and (2) man's moral responsibility

· God's glorious sovereignty = No one boasting in uninspired, pragmatic, worldly sinful works for forgiveness & salvation

· Man's Moral Responsibility = No one boasting in benefits of salvation without the divine proof of moral results

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Unconditional vs Conditional

· God’s choice of you is UNCONDITIONAL -- it’s before you are born (Rom_9, Ephesians, etc.) & He doesn’t change His mind (Num_23:19; Mal_3:6; Jam_1:17)

· Your choice of God is CONDITIONAL (very much so) -- you CAN change your mind, Therefore…

· Baptists’ irreversible decisionalism is total heresy/blasphemy/betrayal of all logic and Bible rules (as well as Decisionalism in general)

· Irreversible Decisionalism denies the very CONDITIONAL nature of human decisions (all throughout the Bible)

· The part of salvation that is irreversible is Predestination (in the actual, objective text of the Bible) -- God’s Sovereign finished choice before you were born

· Your choice of salvation is very reversible at any time when you may choose to lose all of your benefits

· Decisional-ism = God instantly gives eternal life to everyone who simply asks / mentally decides -- no correlating obedience required

· Decisional-ism = my shear (typically one-time) intended decision gets God’s promises, even without confirmation, proof, fruit, virtue, obedience, truth, morality/cleanness, etc.

· Irreversible decisional-ism = OSAS (once saved always saved)

· This is why it is so concerning that Baptists preach irreversible decisional-ism & have affected so many other denominations with their lawless attitude

· Biblical ASK = Ask, Seek, Knock → OBEY (Mat_7) [an acronym that contains itself]

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The Point: Conditionality ≈ Human Choice (involved/included)

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God Doesn’t Change -- Quoted References (from Above)

Num_23:19 WEB God is not a man, that he should lie, nor the son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good?

Num_23:19 LB God is not as a man that He should waver, nor as a son of man that He should be threatened; shall He say and not perform? Shall He speak and not keep His word?

Num_23:19 οὐχ ὡς ἄνθρωπος ὁ θεὸς διαρτηθῆναι οὐδὲ ὡς υἱὸς ἀνθρώπου ἀπειληθῆναι· αὐτὸς εἴπας οὐχὶ ποιήσει; λαλήσει, καὶ οὐχὶ ἐμμενεῖ;

Num_23:20 WEB Behold, I have received a command to bless. He has blessed, and I can't reverse it.

Num_23:20 Behold, I have received a commandment to bless: so bless I will do, and I will not turn back.

Num_23:20 ἰδοὺ εὐλογεῖν παρείλημμαι· εὐλογήσω καὶ οὐ μὴ ἀποστρέψω.

Num_23:21 WEB He has not seen iniquity in Jacob. Neither has he seen perverseness in Israel. Yahweh his God is with him. The shout of a king is among them.

Num_23:21 There shall not be trouble in Jacob, neither shall sorrow be seen in Israel; the Lord his God is with him, the glories of rulers are in him.

Num_23:21 οὐκ ἔσται μόχθος ἐν Ιακωβ, οὐδὲ ὀφθήσεται πόνος ἐν Ισραηλ· κύριος ὁ θεὸς αὐτοῦ μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ, τὰ ἔνδοξα ἀρχόντων ἐν αὐτῷ.

Mal_3:6 WEB "For I, Yahweh, don't change; therefore you, sons of Jacob, are not consumed.

Mal_3:6 LB “For I am the Lord your God, and I change not;

Mal_3:6 Διότι ἐγὼ κύριος ὁ θεὸς ὑμῶν, καὶ οὐκ ἠλλοίωμαι· καὶ ὑμεῖς, υἱοὶ Ιακωβ, οὐκ ἀπέχεσθε

Jas_1:17 CAB Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning [παρ᾿ ᾧ οὐκ ἔνι παραλλαγὴ ἢ τροπῆς ἀποσκίασμα].

Jas_1:17 πᾶσα δόσις ἀγαθὴ καὶ πᾶν δώρημα τέλειον ἄνωθέν ἐστι καταβαῖνον ἀπὸ τοῦ πατρὸς τῶν φώτων, παρ᾿ ᾧ οὐκ ἔνι παραλλαγὴ ἢ τροπῆς ἀποσκίασμα.

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Choice-Consequence Reality Negates Boasting

· Don't imagine salvation when choosing sin!

· Salvation is definitional - NOT speculative: slippery, subjective, guesswork are not Biblical salvation (esp. in the New Covenant)

· Salvation = Not Sinning

· You do not have both/simultaneously a valid, bulletproof, positive self-identity that also withstands ongoing sin

· Remember the choice of "OR" in Romans 6!

· When human choice is involved, and a person is choosing to sin, be imperfect, uninspired, sub-divine, lazy thinking, non-zealous, untruth, depravity, desolation, non-discipleship-doing, It is invalid treacherous illogical Biblical betrayal to imagine and pretend the Covenant benefits of salvation, Divine approval and acceptance...

Conditional Examples

· Happy: Gen_1 – 2 – God Happy with His creation (Gen_1:4, Gen_1:10, Gen_1:12, Gen_1:18, Gen_1:21, Gen_1:25, Gen_1:31 (incl. Humans); Job_38:7; Pro_8:30-31, etc. (incl. mankind); Psa_104:24)

· Wrathful: Gen_6:6 – God unhappy with His creation/creatures -- He gives US a choice!

· Sparing Israel: Exo_32:14 – Lord relented destroying Israel (see below)

· Sparing Nineveh: Jon_3 – Nineveh was to be destroyed in forty days (Jon_3:4), but Nineveh repented of their sin (Jon_3:5-9) & God relented (Jon_3:10) [μετενόησεν ὁ θεὸς ἐπὶ τῇ κακίᾳ, ᾗ ἐλάλησεν τοῦ ποιῆσαι αὐτοῖς]
(See: SRP) -- this is much like my repentance around 7 years old (& just like Nineveh, I also fell back into sin; comp. Nahum)

· Semantics: (Be Careful not to get caught up in semantics -- “changing” and “repenting” vocabulary are not guaranteed to always translate well (the full semantic range) into every language & culture the same way.)

· Changing & Unchanging Determinations: We see God being consistent with His character in both unchanging and conditional example passages

God Relents from Destroying Israel

Israel was spared when Moses Interceded

Exo_32:14 WEB Yahweh repented of the evil which he said he would do to his people.

Exo_32:14 LB And the Lord was prevailed upon to preserve His people.

Exo_32:14 καὶ ἱλάσθη κύριος περὶ τῆς κακίας, ἧς εἶπεν ποιῆσαι τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ.

>> Greek /\

Relenting from Judgements & GOOD

Jer_18: God Relents from Disaster-Judgements & GOOD (In General)

Jer_18:7 WEB At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up and to break down and to destroy it;

Jer_18:7 LB If I shall pronounce a decree upon a nation, or upon a kingdom, to cut them off, and to destroy them;

Jer_18:7 πέρας λαλήσω ἐπὶ ἔθνος ἢ ἐπὶ βασιλείαν τοῦ ἐξᾶραι αὐτοὺς καὶ τοῦ ἀπολλύειν,

Jer_18:8 WEB if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do to them.

Jer_18:8 and that nation turn from all their sins, then will I relent of the disasters which I purposed to do to them.

Jer_18:8 καὶ ἐπιστραφῇ τὸ ἔθνος ἐκεῖνο ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν κακῶν αὐτῶν, καὶ μετανοήσω περὶ τῶν κακῶν, ὧν ἐλογισάμην τοῦ ποιῆσαι αὐτοῖς·

Jer_18:9 WEB At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;

Jer_18:9 And if I shall pronounce a decree upon a nation and kingdom, to rebuild and to plant it;

Jer_18:9 καὶ πέρας λαλήσω ἐπὶ ἔθνος καὶ ἐπὶ βασιλείαν τοῦ ἀνοικοδομεῖσθαι καὶ τοῦ καταφυτεύεσθαι,

Jer_18:10 WEB if they do that which is evil in my sight, that they not obey my voice, then I will repent of the good, with which I said I would benefit them.

Jer_18:10 and they do evil before Me, so as not to heed My voice, then will I relent of the good which I spoke of, to do it to them.

Jer_18:10 καὶ ποιήσωσιν τὰ πονηρὰ ἐναντίον μου τοῦ μὴ ἀκούειν τῆς φωνῆς μου, καὶ μετανοήσω περὶ τῶν ἀγαθῶν, ὧν ἐλάλησα τοῦ ποιῆσαι αὐτοῖς.

Jer_18:11 WEB Now therefore, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus says Yahweh: Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return you now everyone from his evil way, and amend your ways and your doings.

Jer_18:11 “And now, say to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, ‘Behold, I prepare disasters against you, and devise a plan against you: let everyone turn now from his evil way, and amend your practices.’”

Jer_18:11 καὶ νῦν εἰπὸν πρὸς ἄνδρας Ιουδα καὶ πρὸς τοὺς κατοικοῦντας Ιερουσαλημ Ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ πλάσσω ἐφ᾿ ὑμᾶς κακὰ καὶ λογίζομαι ἐφ᾿ ὑμᾶς λογισμόν· ἀποστραφήτω δὴ ἕκαστος ἀπὸ ὁδοῦ αὐτοῦ τῆς πονηρᾶς, καὶ καλλίονα ποιήσετε τὰ ἐπιτηδεύματα ὑμῶν.

Jer_18:12 WEB But they say, It is in vain; for we will walk after our own devices, and we will do everyone after the stubbornness of his evil heart.

Jer_18:12 And they said, “We will act like men, for we will pursue our perverse ways, and we will every one perform the lusts of his evil heart.”

Jer_18:12 καὶ εἶπαν Ἀνδριούμεθα, ὅτι ὀπίσω τῶν ἀποστροφῶν ἡμῶν πορευσόμεθα καὶ ἕκαστος τὰ ἀρεστὰ τῆς καρδίας αὐτοῦ τῆς πονηρᾶς ποιήσομεν.

Notice God morally quotes them in the format of what they’re REALLY saying, not what they pretend & imagine to think or say socially.

Comp. Jer_18 with Eze_18 = Determining CHOICE

The Point: Conditionality exists!

· God’s blessings & Judgments are CONDITIONAL upon human choice

· Choices are REALLY important and change everything for eternity!

· Don’t let flattery claim benefits of choosing Good if your flesh is choosing bad!

Conditionality & Apostasy

· BIG Question(s): How does Conditionality relate to Flattery, boasting, & Apostasy?

· We need to go back to Deu_31 and see if we can use Conditionality against Apostasy to escape into the remnant…

Choices Are Exciting! <<<<

1/4/26; 1/7/26

The Excitement Of Getting To Choose

· Chance of Greatness: The privilege of choice is an exciting opportunity to grab a hold of greatness and exaltations into forever

· Apprehend: The decisions we make can grab a hold of life, blessings of special Love (Joh_10:17; Joh_14:21 -- see below) being treasured and cherished by God, greatness and exaltation beyond comprehension, shaping and forming your character and identity in a way to be joined to the godhead forever (1Jn 3)

· Exciting Sacrifice: We get to fast, sacrifice, give up this world and this life in preference to something eternally greater...

· Prioritize the Right People: We get to choose to be around the right people instead of the perishing form of this age and this life

· Losing the Friends of This Life: Our social lives can be sacrificed and ruined for the sake of friendship with heaven and its obeyers.

· Give Up Pleasures: We get to sacrifice this perishing life like Moses did and choose suffering over sinful pleasures (Heb_11:25)

· Rewarded Inspiration: We can enter into divinely inspired works where Heaven does miracles through our lives and then on top of that somehow we even get rewarded for it! (Php_2:13)

· Bring Salvation & Defeat Evil: We can be the channels of eternal salvation brought from Heaven to Earth and crush all the uncontrolled evil in this life.

· Prepare for the Climax of the End: We should be choosing to prepare the way for those preparing the way on their way in the future.... (Revelation 11)

· Choose to be Chosen: When all is said and done then we get to walk Into eternal glories and find that it was written over our head, 'chosen from the foundation of the world' (Eph_1:4, etc.)

Special Love

Joh_14:21 – Whoever has my commands and obeys them he loves me & loved by my Father

Joh_10:17 – The Father Loves me because I lay down my life for the sheep

See: LOB > Special Love

Letteral-Obedience.htm#SpecialLove

Joh_14:21 NKJV He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.

Joh_10:11 NKJV I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.

Joh_10:15 NKJV As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

Joh_10:17 NKJV Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.

Joh_15:9-10 NKJV As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Joh_8:29 NKJV And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him.

Isa_42:1 NKJV Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.

>> Sync: PFO | LOV

See: LOB for more

This is NOT Equal Love, this is SPECIAL Love, through your choice, with eternally UNEQUAL CONSEQUENCES

Entertainment vs. Excitement

Entertainment Fantasies = Disqualifying Counterfeits = Fake & Illogical Excitement Replacements

· Counterfeit or Reality?: Engaging in the counterfeit disqualifies you from the reality.

· Media-Comfort = Hell: Remember all the excitement you're supposed to crave that is counterfeited by entertainment, TV, and movies?

· Accomplish, Don’t Fantasize!: Don’t fantasize non-Truth and non-reality, but labor and work extra hard to find and even make real excitement happen in your real life!

Choices are REAL Excitement

· Defeat Boring Equality: The stakes are NOT Low/Boring, where everyone gets the same thing no matter what choices they make.

· Heaven’s Perspective is Exciting: The stakes are extremely and eternally high were every decision can change your life forever -- that’s Biblical monotheistic revelation of heaven’s exciting perspective of our otherwise boring earthly life.

· Morality Insight: We engage heaven’s perspective by focusing on the link between physics and metaphysics/heaven/spiritual-invisible realm: MORALITY / Bible Obedience!

The Point: The Excitement of Heaven is a REAL adventure that action-TV and Movies can only counterfeit -- so get the real thing by engaging Truth in your life!

Boring vs Exciting

Boring: everybody gets treated equally.

Exciting: God judges the entire universe and rewards each one according to their works -- we have extremely different possibilities of winning or losing in God’s cosmic adventure of redemption and salvation…

You know What’s not exciting? -- Being Unsaved!.......

We are the boring ones -- in our human and even churchy philosophies of equality and non-distinctiveness and non-special lazy complacency.

God in the Bible is The Exciting One! -- Who judges everyone according to their works.

You are not excited when you are not engaged by faith in the morality of making courageous sacrifices for the morality of obeying all the Bible…

Being Boring is when you’re not going against all the pressure of sin and self-flattering luxury and rebellious apostasy, and when you’re not engaged in suffering persecution from the whole world (2Ti_3:12) to apprehend the prize.

The Point: Get up and make some exciting choices to sacrifice, and believe all of the controversial Bible Truth that today’s church & world persecutes

Confronting the Heresy of “Limited Atonement”

11/2/15

1Ti_2:3 For this is good and acceptable before God our Savior,

1Ti_2:3 τοῦτο καλὸν καὶ ἀπόδεκτον ἐνώπιον τοῦ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Θεοῦ,

1Ti_2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the full knowledge of the truth.

1Ti_2:4 ὃς πάντας ἀνθρώπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας ἐλθεῖν.

1Ti_2:6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, the testimony in due time;

1Ti_2:6 ὁ δοὺς ἑαυτὸν ἀντίλυτρον ὑπὲρ πάντων, τὸ μαρτύριον καιροῖς ἰδίοις,

Jesus Turns the Choice and Decision Back on You!

Mar_9:21 CAB? So He asked his father, "How long a time has it been that it has happened like this to him?" And he said, "From childhood.

Mar_9:21 καὶ ἐπηρώτησε τὸν πατέρα αὐτοῦ· πόσος χρόνος ἐστὶν ὡς τοῦτο γέγονεν αὐτῷ; ὁ δὲ εἶπεν· παιδιόθεν.

Mar_9:22 And often it threw him both into the fire and into the waters so that it may destroy him. But if You are able to do anything, help us and have compassion on us."

Mar_9:22 καὶ πολλάκις αὐτὸν καὶ εἰς πῦρ ἔβαλεν καὶ εἰς ὕδατα, ἵνα ἀπολέσῃ αὐτόν· ἀλλ᾿ εἴ τι δύνασαι, βοήθησον ἡμῖν, σπλαγχνισθεὶς ἐφ᾿ ἡμᾶς.

Mar_9:23 Jesus said to him, "If you are able to believe: all things are possible to him that believes."

Mar_9:23 ὁ δὲ ᾿Ιησοῦς εἶπεν αὐτῷ τὸ εἰ δύνᾳσαι πιστεῦσαι, πάντα δυνατὰ τῷ πιστεύοντι.

Mar_9:24 And immediately crying out, the father of the child said with tears, "I believe, Lord; help my unbelief!"

Mar_9:24 καὶ εὐθέως κράξας ὁ πατὴρ τοῦ παιδίου μετὰ δακρύων ἔλεγε· πιστεύω, κύριε· βοήθει μου τῇ ἀπιστίᾳ.

Jesus Turns the Choice and Decicion Back on You

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3/15/15

> get rtf notes about disciplining yourself/picking up your will (glory barn?)

due30/Rom10 - the very core idea is that you CAN choose... Any idea that you can't is stictly rejected -- and this is placed right in the middle of two predestination chapters...

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Mat_7 – Ask and you will receive…everyone who asks recieves

This is an absolute bedrock teaching in the SOM.

It absolutely disproves absolute Calvinism.

We are demanded to believe in basic freewill and justice in the intro to the Kingdom of Heaven.

Zec_7:9-14 CAB Thus says the Lord Almighty; Judge righteous judgment, and deal mercifully and compassionately, everyone with his brother, 10 and oppress not the widow, or the fatherless, or the stranger, or the poor; and let not one of you remember in his heart the injury of his brother. 11 But they refused to attend, and madly turned their back, and made their ears heavy, so that they should not hear. 12 And they made their heart disobedient, so as not to hearken to My law, and the words which the Lord Almighty sent forth by His Spirit by the former prophets: so there was great wrath from the Lord Almighty. 13 Therefore it came to pass, that as He spoke and they did not listen, so they shall cry, and I will not listen, says the Lord Almighty. 14 And I will cast them out among all the nations, whom they know not; and the land behind them shall be made utterly destitute of any going through or returning; for they have made the choice land a desolation.

>> compare MT!

Freewilly

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The False Logic of Freewillies

A letter from an atheist:

https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort/posts/678513398835803

“You are really convinced that you’ve got all the answers. You’ve really got yourself tricked into believing that you’re 100% right. Well, let me tell you just one thing. Do you consider yourself to be compassionate of other humans? If you’re right about God, as you say you are, and you believe that, then how can you sleep at night? When you speak with me, you are speaking with someone who you believe is walking directly into eternal damnation, into an endless onslaught of horrendous pain which your ‘loving’ god created, yet you stand by and do nothing.

“If you believed one bit that thousands every day were falling into an eternal and unchangeable fate, you should be running the streets mad with rage at their blindness. That’s equivalent to standing on a street corner and watching every person that passes you walk blindly directly into the path of a bus and die, yet you stand idly by and do nothing. You’re just twiddling your thumbs, happy in the knowledge that one day that ‘Walk’ signal will shine your way across the road.
“Think about it. Imagine the horrors hell must have in store if the Bible is true. You’re just going to allow that to happen and not care about saving anyone but yourself? If you’re right, then you’re an uncaring, unemotional and purely selfish (expletive) that has no right to talk about subjects such as love and caring.”
I cannot sleep at night. I am horrified at the reality of Hell. Most nights each week for the last 30 years I have been getting up around midnight to pray for the unsaved. I have been “running the streets mad with rage at their blindness” for over 40 years. More than 5,000 times I have stood on a soapbox in the open air to plead with the lost, and I’m not the only one. Christians around the world fast, pray, preach and plead for the unsaved, and devote their lives to something this sinful world despises—warning them about the reality of Hell.

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Predestination

Compiled Saturday, 12-3-03

-- Under Construction --

An Introduction

· The following pages are meant not only to explain Predestination and its relationship to freewill, but also to give the reader the information needed to rightly study it him or herself.

· You do not have to read all of this. You can skim threw and read the conclusions about each verse if that is all you want to do right now

It should be made known: I disagree with Calvinism and I disagree with Armenianism because neither as a whole agrees with the Bible.

Seeing that:

1.Both philosophies contradict each other and,

2.That they each respectively claim to herald the doctrines of Predestination and Freewill (and thus set the Bible as being against its self)

it first becomes necessary to explain with no uncertainty that both Predestination and Freewill coexist at their extremes according to the Bible.

Second, it should also be good to have general explanation threw out a study of these things to guide the understanding to be complete and “on.”

Third, to avoid the inherent confusion and common misunderstandings of Bible verses concerning this subject, it seems more than beneficial to define each important Biblical word by each usage within scripture wile also taking in to account their Greek definitions. A break down of each word used and each time it is used culminated with a compilation of all such words to establish clear Biblical definitions should clarify the vast majority of misunderstandings that have been propagated threw out the last 2,000 years.

1. Predestination -Vs- Freewill

Main verse:	MT 18:14 In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost. 2PE_3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. [9] The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. RO 10:13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." ...1TI 2: 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, [4] who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. REV_22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life. (More Free will below ß)
RO 9:10 Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. [11] Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad--in order that God's purpose in election might stand: [12] not by works but by him who calls--she was told, "The older will serve the younger." [13] Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." RO 9:14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! [15] For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." RO 9:16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. [17] For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." [18] Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. RO 9:19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" [20] But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, `Why did you make me like this?' " [21] Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? RO 9:22 What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction? [23] What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory-- [24] even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
Grace = Predestination:
EPH_2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God -Everyone knows this but they don’t understand that it’s Pre.
RO 11:2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah--how he appealed to God against Israel: [3] "Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me" ? [4] And what was God's answer to him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal." [5] So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. [6] And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. RO 11:7 What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, [8] as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day."
2TI 1 God, [9] who has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. 2TH_2:13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
(Also see: Rom. 8:29-30 & Eph_1:4-12 )

· This demonstrates that both Predestination and Freewill are undeniably supported by the Bible.

· Only when we see grace for what it is can we Truly appreciate it. Only when we understand that we are saved by God and His choosing and not by us and our choosing can we know the goodness of God.

· We were Just as bad, (exactly the same) as those going to Hell: Only by grace are we different

Þ Why are you saved? ‘I decided to believe…’ –NO. God simply decided to have mercy on you so that you intern decided to follow Him.

(Yes you have a free will. Yes you chose to believe. But at the same time it was completely up to what God ‘felt like’ doing)

*With Predestination Remember*

PHP_2:12 ...continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

>> Sync: ROW (Php_2:3-12) | SPI (Php_2:5-11) | LO (Php_2:1-4) | LLO | Dis (Php_2:2-3) | PFO (Php_2:12) | BBMem

2PE_1:10 Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, [11] and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

· Debunk Calvinism in your mind. –Don’t believe them. Believe the whole Bible

· We must realize that ‘here and now’ is the main way to think (-People‘s souls are still on the line etc). -There is a lot more to talk about, (Why ‘here and now’ is so important), but it’s good to cover some more ground first.

So Why Still Witness And Be Fervent if Everyone Is Already Predestined?

More Free will thoughts

A. You Can Change Eternity

EZE_3:16 At the end of seven days the word of the LORD came to me: [17] "Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 18 When I say to a wicked man, `You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. [19] But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. 20 "Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. [21] But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself." (NIV)

B. The Intercession of JESUS

Rom_8:34 ...Christ Jesus, who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

Job_16:19 Even now my witness is in heaven; my advocate is on high. 20 My intercessor is my friend as my eyes pour out tears to God; 21 on behalf of a man he pleads with God as a man pleads for his friend.

A. KJV: This is different in KJV –so double-check this one. –Still good though in KJV

B. Book of Job: Not necessarily Doctrine?, -But Job knew (he just ‘wavered’):

C. Jesus Handles it: So! How does JESUS handle His job? -Earnestly -Even before GOD!

So if Jesus is fervent and pleads before God, we should be as well

D. Transition to Church: We/(I) have to get this mentality about unsaved, & the Church:

Church Leaders Wrestled In Prayer

Col_4:12 Epaphras, 2Co_11:28 Paul’s daily pressure of the church

RO 9:1-4 “great sorrow and unceasing anguish” –For Jews (& See_10:1)

Jesus does things along the time line with us

If you don’t believe in predestination, then to bad deal with it. It is not Biblically an option to not believe in it.

Act_13:48 WEB As the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God. As many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Most all christians will say, “God is in control.” But few actually believe this when confronted with the issue of predestination. When they say, “God is in control” what they actually mean is “God in the overseeing business, but not actually controlling everything.” In other words we think that instead of God driving the car (being in control) He is only overseeing the cars driving with a few specific interruptions of actual control. Now many would not actually say this, but in essence, most every (non-Calvinistic) church person says this in essence when he denies the absolute sovereignty and predestination of God.

Because God absolutely in control, (not just overseeing) He also absolutely predestines everything, and because He is above time He does it before any one even has a say in the matter.

We have got to see that God is not just an overseer, but He is a hands-on God who actually conroles everything:

He sways the hearts of men whichever way He wishes

Does He predestine people to sin?? YES! Absolutely! Not that He takes pleasure in their fall, for He says,

The Lord does not take delight in the destruction of the wicked… not even at all

But He also says,

I will harden whom I want to harden and I will have mercy on whom I will

He is truly hands-on because He says that,

He makes some vessels [people] for noble purposes and some for unnoble

Vessels of destruction…

If you say that God does not predestine people to sin, then you are missing a very core element of the essence of the way things work! You have missed the way life happens!

Son of perdition

People of the past understood the world much better than we do. For the say when a person or nation sins, “God hardens their heart”

And when Israel fell away the prophet appealed to God:

Lord when will you stop giving them a hard heart??

Because they understood that God was actually in control of everything.

Also God’s predestination: Dominos and setting hand in path to alter their fall

· Freewill offerings, directly indicate that God gave people free will to use to give a free will offering.

Hardening of Sihon king of Heshbon’s Spirit

9/26/17

Deu 2:30 WEB But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him; for Yahweh your God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into your hand, as at this day.

Deu 2:30 And Sihon king of Heshbon would not allow us to pass by him, because the Lord our God hardened his spirit, and made his heart stubborn, that he might be delivered into your hands, as it is this day.

Deu 2:30 καὶ οὐκ ἠθέλησεν Σηων βασιλεὺς Εσεβων παρελθεῖν ἡμᾶς δι᾿ αὐτοῦ, ὅτι ἐσκλήρυνεν κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν τὸ πνεῦμα αὐτοῦ καὶ κατίσχυσεν τὴν καρδίαν αὐτοῦ, ἵνα παραδοθῇ εἰς τὰς χεῖράς σου ὡς ἐν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ ταύτῃ.

Things People Teach

Arminianism

Teach

·Only “Free Will”, (treachery: All bible verses are about choices)

·You Can fall from grace

Implications

·The most extreme perversions tend to say that get to Heaven by works

·(it all depends on your choices)

·I was raised a “Free-Will Baptist” (a historical oxymoron)

Calvinism

Teach

Only Predestination, & No Free Will

'Irresistible Grace', --No fall away From Grace

Christ only died for the elect, otherwise it would cheapen the sacrifice if it did not work

"Once in Grace always in Grace" (The roots might have been good) > "Once saved always Saved"

Baptists Teach

"If a lam strays away from the shepherd, he will break its legs and carry it around with him so it will not stray". -(Hints of "Irresistible Grace")

Big: "The Eternal Security of The Believer" (Essential to Baptist mindset)

In contrast, David Wilkerson said,

"I believe in the eternal security of the eternal believer"

Various Problems

Girl said to P-Mike, (when she was in sin):

"Well I already got saved and once you get it you can't lose it"

-Vs- Pentecostal Quote \/

Assemblies of God / Most 'Saved' Pentecostals

(AG pamphlet,) Problem: 'I need to get saved again'

At G-Ville Outreach, "This is my 4th time getting saved"

We need to know: Prodigal son was still His son!...

Baptists have a good point: You don't get saved again

(other AGs & Church Of Gods can have twisted view)

The Pentecostals Messed up a lot from 1 John 3

Mom: "They said to me 'I never sin' " -Saved/Lost/Saved/Lost...

(Don't know if this is absolute)

So what’s the point of all this? I'm asking why should you LOVE the Truth? How would you like...

Human Principle: "How your raised determines what you believe"

Sadly, if you were a raised a Baptist, most of people would believe all the things a Baptist believes.

Same with Pentecostal and so on. Believe the BIBLE and count all other things as dung.

Question: Do you have just as bad if not worse Doctrinal heresies hidden in you?

-LOVE TRUTH = only antidote

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- 1Pe_4:18 And if the righteous is scarcely saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear?

-Have you used 1Pe_1:2,5, & 17-18 ?

- 2Co_13:5

5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not

your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Questions:

Where you ever really sold out?

-If no then you need to fear quickly

-I question if ever saved at all...

Do you have Godly Fear? (If no Working out with fear, then I fear for you)

Remember P-L's & P-Mikes Scripture?:

10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.

14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

But look at what it takes just to get that foundation

Sold out, deny father... Forsake all...

But Paul showed us what gets him rewards for preaching

-Hard to show that none of them are wronge if you don't know what BIBLE verses they are using

-Jude 24 Now unto him that is able to guard you from stumbling, and to set you before the presence of his glory without blemish in exceeding joy,

-Don't think: 'need to get saved again' when you were never saved in the first place.

OR

Maybe you were never Really Filled, (or JESUSIFIED)

>>Either way you (likely) never had completed salvation. (No Filled HSP = Incomplete Salvation)

Are You Saved?

Sunday, 11-9-03

½ of Real Virgins Will Make It

Mat_24:4-5 WEB Jesus answered them, "Be careful that no one leads you astray. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will lead many astray.

Mat_24:10-13 WEB Then many will stumble, and will deliver up one another, and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray. 12 Because iniquity will be multiplied, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end, the same will be saved.

Mat_24:37-42 WEB "As the days of Noah were, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39 and they didn't know until the flood came, and took them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and one will be left; 41 two women grinding at the mill, one will be taken and one will be left. 42 Watch therefore, for you don't know in what hour your Lord comes.

Mat_25:1-13 WEB "Then the Kingdom of Heaven will be like ten virgins, who took their lamps, and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 Those who were foolish, when they took their lamps, took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 Now while the bridegroom delayed, they all slumbered and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, 'Behold! The bridegroom is coming! Come out to meet him!' 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.' 9 But the wise answered, saying, 'What if there isn't enough for us and you? You go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.' 10 While they went away to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us.' 12 But he answered, 'Most assuredly I tell you, I don't know you.' 13 Watch therefore, for you don't know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

Narrow Gate

Mat_7:13-14 WEB "Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it. 14 How narrow is the gate, and restricted is the way that leads to life! Few are those who find it.

Luk_13:24-30 WEB "Strive to enter in by the narrow door, for many, I tell you, will seek to enter in, and will not be able. 25 When once the master of the house has risen up, and has shut the door, and you begin to stand outside, and to knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!' then he will answer and tell you, 'I don't know you or where you come from.' 26 Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drink in your presence, and you taught in our streets.' 27 He will say, 'I tell you, I don't know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of iniquity.' 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets, in the Kingdom of God, and yourselves being thrown outside. 29 They will come from the east, west, north, and south, and will sit down in the Kingdom of God.

Mat_7:17-23 WEB Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit. 18 A good tree can't produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that doesn't grow good fruit is cut down, and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore, by their fruits you will know them. 21 Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

22 Many will tell me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?' 23 Then I will tell them, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.'

>> See: SOM | Testimony

Remnant

2Pe_1:1 KJVA Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Isa_10:22 WEB For though your people, Israel, be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them shall return…

Rom_9:27 WEB Isaiah cries concerning Israel, "If the number of the children of Israel are as the sand of the sea, It is the remnant who will be saved;

Rom_11:4-5 WEB But how does God answer him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to Baal." 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Dusten Witness

-Josh and Kalob

-Jer_31:7 For thus says Yahweh, Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout for the chief of the nations: publish you, praise you, and say, Yahweh, save your people, the remnant of Israel.

Power Encounter

Professor said, “1/2 of church people are demonized”

Salvation Never Ceases To Be An Issue

Fear and Trembling:

PHP_2:12 ...continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

2PE_1:10 Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, [11] and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Disqualified

1Co_9:27 but I beat my body and bring it into submission, lest by any means, after I have preached to others, I myself should be disqualified. (WEB + KJV)

2Co_13:5 WEB Test your own selves, whether you are in the faith. Test your own selves. Or don't you know as to your own selves, that Jesus Christ is in you? -- unless indeed you are disqualified.

Salvation by Doctrine

1TI_4:15 Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. 16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

Those who endure to the end will be saved…

Complaints and Questions…

1.Some say that they are not convicted that what they are doing is wrong but that assumes that they are first saved! You should not base the validity of your convictions off of an assumption that you are already saved, you should base your salvation on weather or not you are obeying the Bible, then your convictions will adjust accordingly and yo won’t be in error.

-God does not hear the prayer of the sinner… [but]

-My sheep hear my voice.

-Even if an angel of light…[don’t listen to him]

‘Examine self to see if in the faith…’

work out salvation with Fear and Tr.

Lest I had run in vain…

-How dare we presume that we know God, at the expense of the scriptures?!

Both Predestination and Freewill

because they both to the same time they can by no means rightly be set against each other or at the sacrifice or neglect of the other. The knowledge of ones salvation is not where real security comes in, but it comes when the confidence of election is secured. This is because it is not "the saved" but "the elect" who are kept from falling. thus, instead of "once saved always saved" it is biblical said, "once elected always elected" or "once predestinationed always predestinationed."

Baptists and “Once Saved Always Saved”

I really must address Baptists and the way that other denominations mix in with the doctrine of “Once Saved Always Saved” and how non-Baptists treat this subject, as well as how it relates to Predestination.

I say this, that it is a sad thing in many ways concerning this doctrine of “Once saved Always Saved,” first that non-Baptists scornfully dismisses the entire doctrine with out delving into and acknowledging the depths of what is undeniably scriptural along this line of though. Secondly, that on the other hand, Baptists have a strong propensity (as I did) to think: “This doctrine is just plain old fundamental Truth that most all Churches recognize.” A Baptist will often think, “It is only those out-there wacky churches that are verging toward heresy that would even dare to call this into question.” Thirdly, and most tragically, is the unbiblical application of the doctrine of “Once Saved Always Saved,” that has so turned off virtually all non-Baptist denominations.

I will tell you these things Truly: I was raised a Baptist and am happy to know thoroughly about what they believe and why they believe it. In addition to being raised this way I have also spent much time studying the history of denominations including Baptists and particularly this very doctrine that they herald. However I have also attended denominations other than Baptists churches, and I know well their almost unanimous scorn of “Once Saved Always Saved.” But most truly let me establish this, that I do with out any wavering whatsoever wholeheartedly cling to the reality of the “eternal security” for God’s elect! And yet, I am deeply grieved by what I here being preached in the name of “Once Saved Always Saved.” This is what I am setting out to address and explain here, and I hope that I can challenge you to be honest with your self and the scriptures that I present here. For it was not a person who explained or persuaded me to what and how I should believe, but by desperately and intensely searching the scriptures that I was compelled, irrespective of my preferences, to believe what I believe. I found out later that theological people would refer to this as, “Interpreting the Bible by the Bible.”

It is funny, that Charles Wesley though he is well-known for preaching Arminism is so moved (evidently from God’s Spirit) to write a hymn accuratly expressing and enforcing predestination. This is the beautyfull display of any heart touched by God’s grace is to acknowledge God’s Soveren move on their life to bring them to salvation. Possibly without intending to, Wesley directly afirmed predestination wile being so moved by the Holy Spirit. Though he aparenly did not understandor completely stand for God’s Truth in this area, the Spirit of Truth moved him that way to express it anyway.

Defining Biblical Words

1-23-04

1. Here are the specifics in short

A. “Salvation/Calling”

= I became a Christian at a point of time. (I might make it, or I might fall. I don’t know yet. I just know that I’m saved and in covenant with Jesus).

B. “Election/The Predestined”

= I am preserved by God and end up making it to Heaven.

If I know that I’m “of the elect” then I know that I am among those who are predestined to never end up falling and going to Hell; God’s grace keeps me.

Þ I have made my I. Calling (AKA “salvation”) and II. My Election, (AKA “predestination”) sure. ß

C. Important Scripture:

2 Pet_3:10 Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall

Þ Why do you need both unless they are different qualities?? Direct Implication: ‘If you have your calling sure but not your election, you might fall!’

2-A. “The Elect”

“Elect” Total Occurrences: 23	Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries G1588 ἐκλεκτός eklektos (Str) ek-lek-tos …From G1586; select; by implication favorite: - chosen, elect.		Thayer Definition: 1) picked out, chosen 1a) chosen by God…
	King James Concordance: elect, 13 Mat. 24:24, Mat. 24:31, Mar. 13:22, Mar. 13:27, Luk. 18:7, Rom. 8:33, Col. 3:12, 1Ti. 5:21, Tit. 1:1, 1Pe. 1:2, 1Pe. 2:6, 2Jo. 1:1, 2Jo. 1:13 chosen, 7 Mat. 20:16, Mat. 22:14, Luk. 23:35, Rom. 16:13, 1Pe. 2:4, 1Pe. 2:9, Rev. 17:14 elect’s, 3 Mat. 24:22, Mar. 13:20, 2Ti. 2:10
“Election” Total Occurrences: 7	Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries: G1589 ἐκλογή eklogē ek-log-ay' From G1586; (divine) selection (abstractly or concretely): - chosen, election.	King James Concordance: election, 6: Rom. 9:10-11, Rom. 11:5, Rom. 11:7, Rom. 11:28, 1Th. 1:4, 2Pe. 1:10 chosen, 1: Act. 9:15

I. About this table: These are all the times that the Bible talks about “The Elect,” but this Greek word is often not translated as such. Instead of “Elect” they sometimes translate it as “chosen.” This puts a different spin on many scriptures. I would highly suggest considering the 8 different references mentioned above were “Elect” and “Election” are translated as a different word (“Chosen”) and know that the Bible is talking about “Election”. You can read these scriptures on the next page if you want.

II. Important Scripture:

1Pe_1:1-5 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the… 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Þ Not so with the 5 foolish virgins who where in covenant w/ Jesus! (Mtt.25:1-13)

2-B. “The Elect”

Does This word practically always has to do with “Divine Election” before time?

Mat_20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called,^2822but few are chosen.^1588[“elect”] 22:14 For many are called,^2822but few are chosen.^1588 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake^1223, 3588, 1588 those days shall be shortened. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.^158831 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect^1588 from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Mar_13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake,^1223^, 3588, 1588 whom he hath chosen,^1586 he hath shortened the days. 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.^1588 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect^1588 from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Luk_18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect,^1588 which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 23:35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen^1588 of God. Rom_8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect?^1588 It is God that justifieth. 16:13 Salute Rufus chosen^1588 in the Lord, and his mother and mine. Col_3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect^1588 of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

1Ti_5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect^1588 angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. 2Ti_2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes,^1223, 3588, 1588 that they may also obtain the salvation^4991 which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. Tit_1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect,^1588 and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 1Pe_1:1-5, 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen^1588 of God, and precious, …6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, elect,^1588 precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. [People stumble over Christ the stumbling stone but…] 1Pet2:9 But ye are a chosen^1588 generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: 2Jo_1:1 The elder unto the elect^1588 lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; 13 The children of thy elect^1588 sister greet thee. Amen. Rev_17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called,^2822 and chosen,^1588 and faithful.^4103(KJV)

· Also see Rev. 1:9 for same theme of perseverance · “Faithful” The result of being preserved by God. The “Perseverance of the saints” (the Biblical version)… A. “Now to him who is able to keep them from stumbling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory in great joy,” (Jud_1:24 WEB). B. “having been persuaded of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will complete it until the day of Christ Jesus; (Phi_1:6 EMTV)

3. “Chosen”

Does this consistently mean “Elect”?

Strong’s: G1586 ἐκλέγομαι eklegomai ek-leg'-om-ahee Middle voice from G1537 and G3004 (in its primary sense); to select: - make choice, choose (out), chosen.

· Contextually, it often means “elect,” but it is a more general Greek word than the first one, and can mean other things.

Mar_13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake,^1223, 3588, 1588 whom he hath chosen,^1586 he hath shortened the days. Luk_6:13 And when it was day, he called^4377 unto him his disciples: and of them he chose^1586 twelve, whom also he named apostles; Joh_6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen^1586 you twelve, and one of you is a devil? 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen^1586: but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. 15:16 Ye have not chosen^1586 me, but I have chosen^1586 you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. …19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen^1586 you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Act_1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen^1586:

Act_13:17 The God of this people of Israel chose^1586 our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with a high arm brought he them out of it. 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice^1586 among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 1Co_1:27 But God hath chosen^1586 the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen^1586 the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen^1586, yea, and things which are not, to bring to naught things that are: Eph_1:4 According as he hath chosen^1586 us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Jam_2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen^1586 the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Other “Chosen’s” (G1586) that don’t have to do with “Election”:

Luk_10:42 KJV+ But^1161 one thing^1520 is^2076 needful:^5532 and^1161 Mary^3137 hath chosen^1586 that good^18 part,^3310 which^3748 shall not^3756 be taken away^851 from^575 her.^846 Luk_14:7 KJV+ And^1161 he put forth^3004 a parable^3850 to^4314 those which were bidden,^2564 when he marked^1907 how^4459 they chose out^1586 the^3588 chief rooms;^4411 saying^3004 unto^4314 them,^846

Act_15:22 KJV+ Then^5119 pleased^1380 it the^3588 apostles^652 and^2532 elders,^4245 with^4862 the^3588 whole^3650 church,^1577 to send^3992 chosen^1586 men^435 of^1537 their own company^846 to^1519 Antioch^490 with^4862 Paul^3972 and^2532 Barnabas:^921 namely, Judas^2455 surnamed^1941 Barsabas,^923 and^2532 Silas,^4609 chief^2233 men^435 among^1722 the^3588 brethren:^80 Act_15:25 KJV+ It seemed good^1380 unto us,^2254 being assembled^1096 with one accord,^3661 to send^3992 chosen^1586 men^435 unto^4314 you^5209 with^4862 our^2257 beloved^27 Barnabas^921 and^2532 Paul,^3972

4. “Predestined”

Strong’s: G4309 προορίζω proorizō pro-or-id'-zo From G4253 and G3724;

to limit in advance, that is, (figuratively) predetermine: - determine before, ordain, predestinate.

[Eph_1:4-12 , Rom_8:28-33 , Act_4:28 & 1Co_2:7] Þ We’ll quote all of these toward the end

5. “The Called”

[in every Biblical case, used to signify “Salvation”]

Strong’s: G2822 κλητός klētos klay-tos'

From the same as G2821; invited, that is, appointed, or (specifically) a saint: - called.

Mat_20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called,²⁸²² but few chosen.¹⁵⁸⁸[“elect”]

22:14 For many are called,²⁸²² but few are chosen.¹⁵⁸⁸[“elect”]

Rom_1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called²⁸²² to be an apostle, separated⁸⁷³ unto the gospel of God, …6 Among whom are ye also the called²⁸²² of Jesus Christ: 7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called²⁸²² to be saints:⁴⁰ Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called²⁸²² according to his purpose.

1Cor_1:1 Paul called²⁸²² to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called²⁸²² to be saints,⁴⁰ with all that in every place call-upon¹⁹⁴¹ the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

…24 But unto them⁸⁴⁶ which are called,²⁸²² both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Jud_1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved⁵⁰⁸³ in Jesus Christ, and called.²⁸²²

[AKA ‘Predestined and saved’]

Rev_17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called,²⁸²² and chosen,¹⁵⁸⁸ and faithful.⁴¹⁰³

(All in KJV)

6. The General “Called”

[Similar concept as the first Greek word, except not all of them deal with salvation, but many do]

[By context, can mean a verity of things]

Strong’s: G2564 καλέω kaleō kal-eh'-o

Akin to the base of G2753; to “call” (properly aloud, but used in a variety of applications, directly or otherwise): - bid, call (forth), (whose, whose sur-) name (was [called]).

A. King James Concordance: Total KJV Occurrences: 147

called, 103 Mat_1:25, Mat_2:7, Mat_2:15, Mat_2:23, Mat_4:21, Mat_5:9, Mat_5:19 (2), Mat_10:25, Mat_21:13, Mat_23:7-8 (2), Mat_23:10, Mat_25:14, Mat_27:8, Mar_1:20, Mar_11:17, Luk_1:32, Luk_1:35-36 (2), Luk_1:59-62 (4), Luk_1:76, Luk_2:4, Luk_2:21, Luk_2:23, Luk_6:15, Luk_7:11, Luk_8:2, Luk_9:10, Luk_10:39, Luk_15:19, Luk_15:21, Luk_19:13, Luk_19:29, Luk_21:37, Luk_22:25, Luk_23:33, Joh_1:42, Joh_2:2, Act_1:12, Act_1:19, Act_1:23, Act_3:11, Act_4:18, Act_9:11, Act_13:1 (2), Act_14:12, Act_24:2, Act_27:8, Act_27:14, Act_27:16, Act_28:1, Rom_8:30 (2), Rom_9:7, Rom_9:24, Rom_9:26, 1Co_1:9, 1Co_7:15, 1Co_7:17-18 (3), 1Co_7:20-22 (4), 1Co_7:24, 1Co_15:9, Gal_1:6, Gal_1:15, Gal_5:13, Eph_4:1, Eph_4:4, Col_3:15, 1Th_2:12, 1Th_4:7, 2Th_2:14, 1Ti_6:12, 2Ti_1:9, Heb_3:13, Heb_5:4, Heb_9:15, Heb_11:8, Heb_11:18, Jam_2:23, 1Pe_1:15, 1Pe_2:9, 1Pe_2:21, 1Pe_5:9-10 (2), 2Pe_1:3, 1Jo_3:1, Rev_1:9, Rev_12:8-9 (2), Rev_16:16, Rev_19:13

call, 16 Mat_1:21, Mat_1:23, Mat_9:13, Mat_20:8, Mat_22:3, Mat_22:43, Mat_22:45, Mat_23:9, Mar_2:17, Luk_1:13, Luk_5:31-32 (2), Luk_6:46, Luk_14:13, Rom_9:25, Heb_2:11 bidden, 10 Mat_22:3-4 (2), Mat_22:8, Luk_7:39, Luk_14:7-8 (3), Luk_14:10, Luk_14:17, Luk_14:24 calleth, 6 Luk_20:44, Joh_10:3, Rom_4:17, Rom_9:11, Gal_5:8, 1Th_5:24

bade, 4 Luk_14:9-10 (2), Luk_14:12, Luk_14:16 bid, 2 Mat_22:9, 1Co_10:27 named, 2 Luk_2:21, Luk_19:2 calling, 1 1Pe_3:6 forth, 1 Act_24:2 name, 1 Act_7:58 surname, 1 Act_15:37

B. Some important Verses

Rom_8:30 (as seen above), 9:7 & 24, 9:26, 1Cor_1:9, 1 Cor_7:15,

Heb_9:15 And²⁵³² for this cause^{1223, 5124} he is²⁰⁷⁶ the mediator³³¹⁶ of the new²⁵³⁷ testament,¹²⁴² that³⁷⁰⁴ by means of death,^{2288, 1096} for¹⁵¹⁹ the redemption⁶²⁹ of the³⁵⁸⁸ transgressions³⁸⁴⁷ that were under¹⁹⁰⁹ the³⁵⁸⁸ first⁴⁴¹³ testament,¹²⁴² they which are called²⁵⁶⁴ might receive²⁹⁸³ the³⁵⁸⁸ promise¹⁸⁶⁰ of eternal¹⁶⁶ inheritance.²⁸¹⁷

1Pe_2:9 But¹¹⁶¹ ye⁵²¹⁰ are a chosen¹⁵⁸⁸ generation,¹⁰⁸⁵ a royal⁹³⁴ priesthood,²⁴⁰⁶ a holy⁴⁰ nation,¹⁴⁸⁴ a peculiar^{1519, 4047} people;²⁹⁹² that³⁷⁰⁴ ye should show forth¹⁸⁰⁴ the³⁵⁸⁸ praises⁷⁰³ of him³⁵⁸⁸ who hath called²⁵⁶⁴ you⁵²⁰⁹ out of¹⁵³⁷ darkness⁴⁶⁵⁵ into¹⁵¹⁹ his⁸⁴⁶ marvelous²²⁹⁸ light:⁵⁴⁵⁷

1 Pet_5:10 “…the³⁵⁸⁸ God²³¹⁶ of all³⁹⁵⁶ grace,⁵⁴⁸⁵ who hath called²⁵⁶⁴ us…”

7. Predestined Conclusions

1. “Predestination” is a Fact

(no matter what you do with it)

Eph_1:4-12 KJV According as he hath chosen¹⁵⁸⁶ us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestined⁴³⁰⁹ us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined⁴³⁰⁹ according to the purpose of him [Not just ‘according to the choices that He knew that we would make…’] who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Rom_8:28-33 KJV And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called²⁸²² according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestined⁴³⁰⁹ to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestined⁴³⁰⁹, them he also called²⁵⁶⁴:[Not the same Greek word “called” as just used above…] and whom he called²⁵⁶⁴, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified….

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

(KJV)

(prayer about Jesus being crucified…)

Act_4:28 KJV+ For to do⁴¹⁶⁰ whatsoever³⁷⁴⁵ thy⁴⁶⁷⁵ hand⁵⁴⁹⁵ and²⁵³² thy⁴⁶⁷⁵ counsel¹⁰¹² determined before⁴³⁰⁹ [Predestined] to be done.¹⁰⁹⁶ (KJV)

1Co_2:7 KJV+ But²³⁵ we speak²⁹⁸⁰ the wisdom⁴⁶⁷⁸ of God²³¹⁶ in¹⁷²² a mystery,³⁴⁶⁶ even the³⁵⁸⁸ hidden⁶¹³ wisdom, which³⁷³⁹ God²³¹⁶ ordained⁴³⁰⁹ [predestined] before⁴²⁵³ the³⁵⁸⁸ world¹⁶⁵ unto¹⁵¹⁹ our²²⁵⁷ glory:¹³⁹¹ (KJV)

2. The Biblical Extent of Predestination is Total and Absolute

A. Foreknowledge

Predestination is done by God according to foreknowledge (1Pet_1:2) but “foreknowledge” is not “knowing what we would choose ahead of time.”

People often use the concept of foreknowledge to put boundaries on how God predestines people. People say that Predestination is done by God according to His foreknowledge of what we would choose ahead of time. In short, they end up saying that predestination is according to our choices, thus annulling the sovereignty of God in this matter. This limits predestination to unbiblical proportions, because Predestination is certainly done by the sovereignty of God and not by and according to our choices.

Jer_1:5 WEB Before I formed you in the belly I knew you, and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.

(Simple logic: to “know” “before” is to “foreknow”)

Look at how God foreknew Jeremiah. God “Knew” him relationally before he was in the womb and then born. God did not predestine Jeremiah as a prophet knowing that Jeremiah would one day choose that being a prophet would be his calling; You can’t “call” your self to be anything. As Pastor Mike would say, ‘What are you going to do, choose to be a prophet? You can’t choose to be a prophet! That’s completely up to God.’

This verse precedes anything the New Testament says about foreknowledge and this is the context in which the N.T. concepts where written.

So first I’ve shown that foreknowledge is not about our choices. The reason that I then say that it is relational is because this is the over tone threw out the Bible when it comes to God (or any human for that matter) “knowing” some one. This should not be a hard leap for anyone who has read the Bible before. Among these many verses it says,

Mat_7:23 WEB Then I will tell them, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.'

Here are some more examples:

Exo_33:12 & 17, & Ps 1:6 · People “knew” their wives relationally: Gen. 4:1, 17, 25, 1Sa. 1:19, Mtt. 1:25 (also see Gen_38:26, Jdg_11:39, 19:25, & 1King_1:4)

Foreknowledge is God’s way of relating to us in Love before we are born. He not only predestines us to an official title of “The Elect,” but He does so in relational Love, just like a parent looking at his or her newborn sleeping and predetermining to Love them no matter what.

B. Predestination is done:

· ‘before we do or understand bad or good’ (Rom_9:11-13)

· to us as objects of the master choosing not individuals who have a say so in it (Rom_9:15-18 & 20-24)

Some of us are made only to be sent to Hell, And some for Heaven (same reference as above)

From reading Romans 9, it is undeniable that predestination has a causal affect.

It is done to the actual altering and determining of the desires and actions and destinies of people independent of their choices. God predestines us independent of our actions, but our actions surly do result, that is, in all of us who are truly elect.

C. God’s nature is to Predestine:

God exits in eternity, (Isa_57:15, Isa_40:28, Psa_90:2, Psa. 93:2; Jer. 10:10; Mic. 5:2, Rom_1:20, 1Ti_1:17, Heb_9:14) fills up and takes up more than everything (Eph_1:23, 1Kin_8:27, 2Chr_2:6, 6:18, Heb_7:26). “He is before all things, and in him all things hold together,” (Col_1:17).

Because He is in control of everything, the things which He does control everything. It is His very nature to control and predestine the whole universe to its finest detail because He is the ultimate domino stacker who knows the outcome of everything that he makes.

D. Make it clear:

The “…predestined” of God are done so “according to the purpose of him” Not just ‘according to the choices that He knew that we would make…’ and He “…works all things after the counsel of his own will” for “the praise of his glory” (Eph_1:11-12). So we see that predestination is not according to us but according to God. Because it is according to Him, it is absolutely exclusive of everyone else because God is absolutely sovereign.

3. "The Elect" = Those who are “Predestined”

AKA “Divine election” (all throughout the Bible).

Ex. Rom_8:29-30 & 33, 9:10-24 especially Vs 11-13

4. Predestination + Free will must both coexist

(Biblically speaking) The total affirmation of Freewill does not and cannot by any means forfeit the total and complete affirmation of absolute Predestination. [See “Predestination Vs. “Freewill””]

5. Predestination and freewill both happen at the same time!

This is especially shown in light of Pharaoh as his hart was being hardened by God. In the exact same cases the Bible refers to both God and Pharaoh as being responsible for the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart. See Exo_9:34-35, 10:1 & 3!

Also See Exo_4:21, 7:3, 13, 22, and Chapters 7-14:17

6. "Salvation" ¹ “Election”!

The most decisive error in this whole debate in both Armenian and Calvinistic thinking is the equating of the terms “Salvation” and “Election” found threw out the Bible. Although there are scriptures that may at first seem to lead one to the equating of the two if one does not know any difference, (Ex. Rom_8:28-33). But one should read the entire New Testament in light of how Jesus used this exact same Greek word before hand and defined its boundaries. In light of His previously established principals and understandings the whole New Testament was written. Jesus showed very clearly from the beginning of His teachings that,

“ …many⁴¹⁸³ are¹⁵²⁶ called,²⁸²² but¹¹⁶¹ few³⁶⁴¹ are Elect.¹⁵⁸⁸ (Mat_20:16/22:14 KJV-Based)

Calvinist rightly protest against Armenians saying, “How dare you say that someone who is of the elect might reject their salvation and go to hell for it?” -This is a valid complaint! It is impossible for the Elect to be condemned because the Bible says over and over that they are kept by God:

Mat_24:22 & 24, Rom_8:33, 1Pet 1:Rev_7:14

Armenians respond with an equally Biblical point: “But people who are saved can very obviously be lost afterward and be condemned!” This also is impossible to deny if you believe the Bible:

Mat_13:5-7, 25:1-13, Lk 15:1-22, Jas_5:19-20, Heb_6:4-5, 10:26-30

So you can see the error in equating “Election” and “Salvation.” To both the Calvinist and the Armenianist they are each respective stumbling blocks to the other’s theology.

If you are saved, you had better walk with fear and trembling lest you fall!:

Ex. Mat_25:1-13 & Phi_2:12, 1Co_10:12, Heb_4:11, 2Pe_3:17

But at the same time we can have confidence that we will “Never fall” if we make our calling and election sure. If you are sure of this then you can have His peace that no matter what, He will keep you from falling.

We can have confidence:

Jn 10:28-29, 2Pe_1:10, 3:10, Rom_8:28-39

It should be noted that the second does not annul the first but only adds to it, for every one is to have Godly Fear. The very same person who was used to say, ‘You guys are the elect,’ (1Pe_1:2) was also used to say, “Therefore, brothers, be even more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for by doing these things you shall by no means stumble at any time,” (2Pe_1:10 EMTV). (Also see 1Co_2:3, 2Co_2:7, Eph_6:5)

7. Total Hard-Core Predestination ideology ¹ “Calvinism”

8. Biblically Defining the Biblical terms (Dealing with this issue)

There are “many” (ïMtt. 20:16ð) who can be "called²⁸²² to be saints" (Rom1:7), "that love God," (compare Rom_8:28, but not exact). They "are sanctified in Christ Jesus" and they "call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord," (1Co_1:2) and to them "Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God," "but few [of them] are Elect" (Mtt. 20:16).

This is “few” in respect to all who are called, some of whom answer it and are saved, and few of whom nd up enduring to the end as the elect of God.

The Elect are distinguished from those who are simply called in that they 'cannot be deceived' by the antichrist (Mat_24:24). They are the only ones 'gathered together' (Mk 13:27) in the rapture. It is only worth "endure[ing] all things for the elect's sakes" to see them saved because only those who are "called,²⁸²² and elect" end up being “faithful” (Rev_17:14) and will be with Jesus at the end. This is because only those who are 'called and elected' will "never fall" (2Pe_3:10) because they "are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation" (1Pe_1:5) "according to the foreknowledge of God " (1Pe_1:2). Only they are "chosen¹⁵⁸⁶ ... in him before the foundation of the world." (Eph_4:1)

Absolute Realms Of Predestination

There are an endless number of arguments to contradict the absolute realms of predestination.

Examples:

i.If God were the originator of every man’s decision, then we would just be Pawns. God would just be pulling our leg to tell us that we had freewill when we in fact do not.

ii.

Point after point and argument after argument that people may make to undo an absolute predestination all boil down to this simple premise:

ð “Predestination cannot be True because of Freewill”

This is a slanted and unreasonable premise. What if I were to just as logically say,

ð “Freewill cannot be True because of Predestination”

Neither premise is True because it assumes beforehand that one is more true and Biblical than the other. If we are honest with ourselves, then an accurate overview of the Bible will yield both absolute and complete views of Freewill (to its extreme) and Predestination (to its extreme). Neither is given more weight than the other. If you say that Freewill is more established than predestination then you do not know your Bible. In this area you are severally ignorant.

This being the case that they are both equally supported to their extremes, why do we then go with an erroneous premise that one carries more weight than the other? Any such premise is a pre-miss. You will go into error. You can count on it.

Further more, if we reject one for the sake of the other (in this issue specifically) it is only because it does not fit in our understanding. I exhorted one friend, ‘Your job is not to make this fit together. Your job is to believe the scriptures. And if the scriptures tech an extreme and total all in compassing predestination, as well as an extreme and total freewill that leaves man as a free moral agent, then it is your job to believe the scriptures. And if in doing so you gain some understanding about how they work together, then all the better’

I ask, since when does a concept of this sort ever have to fit into our understandings to be True?? What human has ever Truly conceive of what it is like to live forever outside of time as God has? And yet it is still True and certain in our minds that He most certainly does continually exist outside of time. Even so with this issue, Paul after reflecting on the intricacies of God’s inconceivable predestining said,

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen, (Rom_11:33-36 KJVA).

If then this thing of predestination ultimately be “unsearchable” and “Past finding out” hidden within the ‘rich’ “depth” of the “judgments” and “knowledge [and “mind”] of God” which ‘no one has known,’ then why in all reason would we even dare to reject or refute any point of either Freewill or Predestination for the sake of establishing a point within the other?

So then I say from here on out it is officially illegal and

Analogy's for Coexistence of Predestination + Freewill

A. Double labeled Door (whosoever will... Elect according to foreknowledge)

B. Story/ GI-I-JO takes on a life of its own / A story Writer

C. Pin

More:

* You cannot rightly use the idea of “foreknowledge” to limit the scope of predestination. A. If He only predestined us according to the choices that He knew in advance that we would make, then it would be a practically useless term. B. Even worse than this, it would contradict the principal of Romans 9, which describes the scope of predestination as reaching to the determining of our destinies independent of our choices.

Predestination being a fact = it Greek definition. The very concept is that it takes place before they came & independent of person's choice... cite usage of word and context...

"The Elect" = chosen, (not that the chosen did the choosing but was chosen was picked by an outside source)

not salvation because elect never fall away...

God absolutely predestined everything because He is absolutely eternal and absolutely absolute in every way and still absolutely cares about every detail.

Out of this understanding flow every scripture that reinforces us to have security of salvation. Salvation is not inherently secure but must be mad that way! (work out – make it sure)

If we could get this reality down then it would be a lot easier theologically to see how Freewill and Election can both work Biblically.

Know If Saved

MT 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. [16] By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? [17] Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. [18] A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. [19] Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. [20] Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

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MT 12:33 "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.

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AC 8:18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money [19] and said, "Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit."

AC 8:20 Peter answered: "May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! [21] You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. [22] Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. [23] For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin."

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-JESUS knew, Apostles handed over to satan

Limited Timeline

Mon, 2-3-03 (2nd True Discipleship)

God Above Time Line

A. God is in eternity

Isa_57:15 For thus says the high and lofty One that inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy;

Isa_40:28 Hast you not known? hast you not heard, that the everlasting ⁵⁷⁶⁹ God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth…

(Also see Gen. 21:33, Abraham called on everlasting⁵⁷⁶⁹ God, Deu_33:27,).

Psa_90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you have formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting^{4480, 5769} to everlasting ⁵⁷⁶⁹, you art God.

(See: Psa. 93:2; Jer. 10:10; Mic. 5:2 ⁵⁷⁶⁹)

(everlasting = H5769 עלם עולם ‛ôlâm ‛ôlâm o-lawm', o-lawm'

From H5956; properly concealed, that is, the vanishing point; generally time out of mind (past or future), that is, (practically) eternity; frequentative adverbially (especially with prepositional prefix) always: - always (-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal, (for, [n-]) ever (-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ wiyout end). Compare H5331, H5703).

Rom_1:20 “…eternal¹²⁶ power…”

G126 ἀΐ́διος aidios ah-id'-ee-os From G104; everduring (forward and backward, or foward only): - eternal, everlasting.

1Ti_1:17 Now¹¹⁶¹ unto the³⁵⁸⁸ King⁹³⁵ eternal,¹⁶⁵ immortal,⁸⁶² invisible,⁵¹⁷ the only³⁴⁴¹ wise⁴⁶⁸⁰ God…²³¹⁶

Heb_9:14 How much⁴¹²⁴ more³¹²³ shall the³⁵⁸⁸ blood¹²⁹ of Christ,⁵⁵⁴⁷ who³⁷³⁹ through¹²²³ the eternal¹⁶⁶ Spirit⁴¹⁵¹ offered⁴³⁷⁴ himself¹⁴³⁸ wiyout spot²⁹⁹ to God,²³¹⁶ purge²⁵¹¹ your⁵²¹⁶ conscience⁴⁸⁹³ from⁵⁷⁵ dead³⁴⁹⁸ works²⁰⁴¹ to serve³⁰⁰⁰ the living²¹⁹⁸ God?²³¹⁶

B. Time Was Created

2Ti_1:9 Who has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before time began… ^{5550, 166} (or “World”, or “ages of time”)

G166 αἰώνιος aiōnios ahee-o'-nee-os From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began). Bible Versions: (13 “time,” 8 “World” 1 tie, out of 21)

God’s Partitioned Nature

-God in His nature is transcendent but in his actions and Love of toward us He condescends by means of partitioning Himself to a state obtainable by faith.

-Jesus will inherit all things with us. He does it this way because He wants to be surprised along with us, because He Loves us to the point that he wants to share this experience with us. He will be ‘surprised’ when He knows all things along with us.

We would all say that Jesus is God by defonition.

If you are still not sure if you believe that God is partitioned, then how else can Jesus, (God) inherit from Himself that which He already has unless He had already partitioned part of Himself (The Son) away from those possessions? Part of God owns everything (The Father “The earth is the Lord’s…”) and part of Him is yet to inherit it, (The Son). There are clearly things that Jesus does not yet have that He will inherit along with us from The Father.

What a beautiful unexpected way for God to show His Love for us! He is patiently waiting for us to first be gathered to Himself before He commences in His inheritance: the riches of all things from The Father. He cares so much for us so that He so wishes to share this with us, something that even God has not yet participated in for all of existence!

Þ A partition of the completely Transcendent God above all time, God the son, condescends to our lowly linear timeline perspective and walks along the time line with us so as to relate to us.

ÞHow do we know that it is Jesus (and also the Holy Spirit) who transcends toward us?

-The Angel of the Lord is the expression of Jesus (see Rev_1:1 it is from the Angel but John sees Jesus!)

-The presence of God with Moses was the cloud who was this same Angel (the pre-carneted expression of Jesus) The relation of God with man was able to ‘change his mind’ or be persuaded. But the trancendancy of God can’t change His mind! Says the scripture. He already knows every thing! But his partition that condecends seems fully able to change His mind. “He talked with Moses as one talks to a friend face to face” –But no one can see God’s face and live! –God the Father even showed his back to Moses but His angelic face to him? Also to Abraham who saw the three angels. –He obiously saw their faces and the third was God who Abe stayed talking with as the other two went down to sodom.- Because Jacob said that he saw God’s face, but with Moses in the same chunk of scripture that he talked face to face, it says that you can’t see God’s face. AKA – God has obviously partitioned himself so that He can relate to us in our base existence.

-The Angel was obviously God, but was also spoken of in third person about by God the father because He said, “My name is in Him!” (AKA a partition of God)

-“I will go down to sodem and see if the report about them is true”

–The Father is the only one who know when Jesus comes back (God obviously limits Himself for us!)

-It says that Jesus is our High priest and our mediator between God and man! In other words, since He is God, for him to mediate he must partition Himself to function in a different role to act between us and God The Father.

–though the Jesus and Holy Spirit still ‘testifie to the future’… because He is connected with The Father who is outside of time.

-Scriptures such as these also show that there was clearly a pre-carnate partition of God who has always been, who is the son. (Kiss the son lest he be angry… threw Him everything was made… in the beginning was the Word, in beginning was Jesus… Let us make man… Do you know his name and his sons name tell me if you know… God appeared as three more than once)

The Seemingly Paradoxal Transcendent and Condescend-ant Qualities of God in Scripture:

Transcendent:	Condescend-ant:
Does not change His mind,	Angel of the cloud was persuaded not to wipe out Israel
ConclusionÞ The qualities of The Father	ConclusionÞ The qualities of The Son

Think:

· The Father on the mountain, Moses saw His back Þ an event marked by fire!

(AKA ‘the mountain of God’)

· Moses persuaded the Angel which was marked by smoke???

Transcendant-

As heavens above Earth so my thoughs above yours.

Excerpts From a paper I wrote on Discernment

Many people that have gone before us that we, (as christians) say we respect clearly endorsed predestination. John Wesley (even though he was an arminian), John Gill (theological writer), Albert Barnes (theological writer), and Myer Pearlman (who is respected by A.G. Churches), all clearly endorsed and taught predestination. It seams that due to today’s lack of Love for the Bible and Truth, and the resulting un-education about them, people have a general contempt for the doctrine of predestination when they have been discipled by a “Free Will” mindset. The result of this weakness is an inherent blockage against most of the fundamental Truths by which discernment works.

According to the Bible, predestination clearly has nothing to do with an individual’s will. By God’s choice, a person is called (in to salvation), and then hopefully he has been elected (marked out before hand as one who makes it to Heaven). So weather one is just saved or also predestined, God is the initiator of both apart from the human’s choice. Jesus said of His disciples, (including Judas Iscariot), “You did not choose me, but I chose you” (Jn 15:16-19). Judas was chosen for salvation, but he was predestined to hell before he was born, as “the Son of perdition” (Jn 17:12). This is the same Gospel, with the same 12 disciples. This can’t be over emphasized because before both of these statements Jesus said:

Joh_6:70 … "Didn't I choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?" (WEB)

And then later

Joh_13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

Disclaimer: Just so I’m abundantly clear!

I am NOT a Calvinist (nor an Armenian for that matter)! If I was against the doctrine of “Free Will” I would be guilty of perverting the Bible. I am fully for this doctrine as well. Though they seem to contradict each other they do not at all. Practically speaking anyone at any time can choose to believe in Jesus and be saved. For all clarity, I whole heatedly agree with an extreme view of free will. Because most are already familiar with it though, I won’t take the time to spell it out, but I will give scriptures that clearly show that everyone has a choice as to weather or not they will repent and be saved: Mtt. 18:14, 2Pet. 3:8, Rom. 10:13, 1Tim. 2: 3, Rev. 22:17

If you still don’t understand how I say that I believe both, then that is to be expected. This however is not a document about this issue, but of discernment.

Salvation

Josiahs Scott Sat 7-21-01

>> Does this have some repetitions from other part here? (esp. ‘the intercession of Jesus’, etc.)

1CH_16:23 Sing to the LORD, all the earth; proclaim his salvation day after day.

1st Day’s Intro

-PS 51:12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation

-20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.

2nd Day’s Intro

*Main Goals*: 1. Love Truth (In fact it’s for whole Sunday School). Learn by example; How we look at the BIBLE.

-Important to have right GOD-Theology ‘Watch your doctrine cols’

1TI_4:15 Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. [16] Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

1TI_1:10 “....sound doctrine ....” 2Ti_4:3-People won’t put up with S (Also see: Tit_1:9 & Tit_2:1)

2. No approach Salvation wrong -For yourself or others (Lots of unsaved in this church)

3rd Day’s Intro

-Don’t understand everything but can show scriptures

-Need to give feed back like Leah did.

(-What questions -Any confused things? -What more do you want to here about)

1. The basics:

The Gospel

AC 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, ...as you yourselves know. [23] This man was ... put ...to death by nailing him to the cross. [24] But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

AC 2:36 "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." 37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" 38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [39] The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."

RO 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes

Rom Road

Rom_3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ JESUS…

Rom_5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:

Rom_10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that GOD raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Name of JESUS

AC 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

-There is more to this name, -Not “Yahweh” or “Elohiem,” but “YESHUA,” (JESUS).

AC 5:40 His speech persuaded them. They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.

-People don’t mind “God,” but “JESUS” is offensive. (See $)

-Must use the name when witnessing, (what do demons do to stop you? Uncomfortable saying “JESUS”)

In Baptism

Acts_10:48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. ...

(Also see: Acts_2:38, 8:12, 8:16, 19:5, and 1Co_1:13-15)

Highest Name

PHP_2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name...

-Debunks “Jehovah’s wit”

-Only a few examples of name stuff. -More to it.

(Other Basics: Joh_3:3-Born Again, 2CO_6:3-Today is day of Salvation )

2. What about the person who never hears the name “JESUS”

Make point ===========> Or “Yeshua”

Remember?:

AC 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

-What do people think?

Need someone to preach

RO 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [10] For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. [11] As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." [12] For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, [13] for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." 14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? [15] And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?" [17] Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. [18] But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:

"Their voice has gone out into all the earth,

their words to the ends of the world."

What can happen- Cornelius:

AC 10:1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. [2] He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly. ....

AC 10:4 ...The angel answered, "Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God.

-Not cut and dry theology- (Remember ‘man-theology’ vs. ‘GOD-Theology‘)

-How can ‘non-Christian’ please GOD ? -Don’t answer yet

-Got to break our theological mold, -not as simple as we think:

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By the way/ Example: -(“Salvation” is not ‘simple with a lot of clear rules’)-

LK 12:47 "That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. [48] But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows.

-We will come back to this sometime later-

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Back to Cornelius....

Remember- “We need the gospel”:

AC 10:19 While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, "Simon, three men are looking for you. [20] So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them."

AC 10:39 ...They killed Him by hanging him on a tree, [40] but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. [41] He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen--by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. [42] He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. [43] All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

AC 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.

So now: -How can ‘non-Christian’ pleas GOD ? -Kinda weird -what think?

-(Yes remember all the things we already talked about: Gentiles that don’t know “JESUS”)

-GOD does not have a religious check list, only make JESUS LORD. (Ex. of bad ’jus say this little prayer’)

-Don’t just pray little prayer and no make Him their LORD

Now let’s look at some answers:

Sort of:

RO 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. [14] (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, [15] since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)

Why not Israelites saved then?:

RO 9:1 I speak the truth in Christ--I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit-- [2] I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. [3] For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, [4] the people of Israel.

RO 10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. [2] For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. [3] Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.

Why no saved? =>Not about ‘desire and effort’, & No believe in JESUS & His righteousness

-Then how Cornelius? –He had GOD’s righteousness

David’s Psalms About Christ

Psalm 28 Of David. ....PS 28:8 The LORD is the strength of his people,

a fortress of salvation for his anointed one.

-“Messiah” (Hebrew? Some times translated “anointed one”x12 -from O.T. ) = “Christ” (Greek)

-Both the same word-

-In a way, David and others in OT, where Christians –They believed in the Christ

3. Why Witness?

‘Don’t need to worry’ :

RO 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, [19] since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. [20] For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

TIT_2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. [12] It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age,

Remember: ‘Show that law is written on heart’ & Remember:

Rom_10:18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:

"Their voice has gone out into all the earth,

their words to the ends of the world."

JAS_4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.

So, why do it? Here’s why:

1. JESUS Commanded it

2. EZE_3:16 At the end of seven days the word of the LORD came to me: [17] "Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. [18] When I say to a wicked man, `You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. [19] But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. 20 "Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. [21] But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself."

*You can change some one’s path to destruction* – Intersession of JESUS:

Rom_8:34 ...Christ Jesus, who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

-Entire book, (of Job), not necessarily Doctrine?, -But Job knew (he just ‘wavered’):

JOB_16:19 Even now my witness is in heaven; my advocate is on high. 20 My intercessor is my friend

as my eyes pour out tears to God; 21 on behalf of a man he pleads with God as a man pleads for his friend.

-Think this is different in KJV –so double-check this one. –Still good though in KJV

-So! How does JESUS handle His job? -Earnestly -Even before GOD?!

-We/(I) have to get this mentality about unsaved, & the Church:

COL_4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you and a servant of Christ Jesus, sends greetings. He is always wrestling in prayer for you, that you may stand firm in all the will of God, mature and fully assured. [13] I vouch for him that he is working hard for you and for those at Laodicea and Hierapolis.

2 good reasons: 1. So they don’t fall away 2. (In our case) Because there are so many unsaved

Ex. “The circumcision group,” Jezebels, etc.

2CO_11:28 Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches.

-This context = More than all his other hardships

How Paul felt about unsaved: (Repeated verses):

RO 9:1 I speak the truth in Christ--I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit-- [2] I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. [3] For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, [4] the people of Israel.

RO 10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved.

-And this is the same way that we need to be.

^salvation-b-scrap:

What does it take?:

-Real -vs- fake salvation

--There are many Unsaved in our church

PS 149:4 For the LORD takes delight in his people;

he crowns the humble with salvation.

JN 4:22 ...salvation is from the Jews.

-list of things that stop salvation

-Once saved always saved

"If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,

what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"

HEB_10:39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.

1PE 3: ....in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, [21] and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, [22] who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand--with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

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Other Verses (Just in case):

JN 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. "

2CO_6:3 I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, today is the day of salvation.

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wiered:

1TI_3:15 But women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

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LK 12:46 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

LK 12:47 "That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. [48] But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

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Conclusion verses:

EZE_3:16 At the end of seven days the word of the LORD came to me: [17] "Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. [18] When I say to a wicked man, `You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. [19] But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. [20] "Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. [21] But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself."

In Between Christians

People who have an incomplete salvation

1.Cornilious –pleased God before he was “Saved.” –would he have gone to heaven or hell? (I think heaven… but may be not) –either way it is by name of Jesus. He was not yet filled with Ho Sp.

2.Pre-crucifixion Disciples. Pre-Pentecost Disciples. –Just the same in understanding- “Are you now going to restore Israel?”

3.They were same as Zackias! “Salvation has come to this house”

Clarifications

You need to believe that Jesus rose from the dead to be saved! But Zack had a pre-salvation and so did the disciples “rejoice because you names are written in the Book of Life, !” the thief on the cross, Zackias, -And I think: Cornilias as well, and many of us! We are not truly filled, we have an in-between salvation, (in one since there are second rate christians, but not because hey don’t speak in tongues).

-This is why so many of us that fall, why we have so many false alter calls… -They only got a partial salvation. “He is with you an will be In you,” We need to get Him In us ASAP before we fall.

Commentaries on Predestination

John Gill though not perfect in all doctrine, is a generally respected theologian. Though he has Calvinistic overtones, he does an excellent job explaining the Biblical nature of “The Elect.”

John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

Mt 24:24

if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. By whom we are to understand, not the choicest believers, or the persevering Christians: not but that such who are truly converted, are choice believers in Christ, and persevering Christians are undoubtedly the elect of God; but then the reason why they are elect, and why they are so called, is not because they are converted, are choice believers, and persevering Christians; but, on the contrary, the reason why they are converted, become true believers, and persevere to the end, is, because they are elected; conversion, faith, and perseverance being not the causes or conditions, but the fruits and effects of election: besides to talk of the final seduction of a persevering Christian, is a contradiction in terms. Such an interpretation of the phrase must be absurd and impertinent; for who knows not that a persevering Christian cannot be finally and totally deceived? But by the elect are meant, a select number of particular persons of Adam's posterity, whom God, of his sovereign goodwill and pleasure, without respect to their faith, holiness, and good works, has chosen, in Christ, before the foundation of the world, both to grace and glory: and to deceive these finally and totally, is impossible, as is here suggested; not impossible, considering their own weakness, and the craftiness of deceivers, who, if left to themselves, and the power of such deception, and the working of Satan with all deceivableness of unrighteousness, might easily be seduced; but considering the purposes and promises of God concerning them, the provisions of his grace for them, the security of them in the hands of Christ, and their preservation by the mighty power of God, their final and total deception is not only difficult, but impossible. They may be, and are deceived before conversion; this is one part of their character whilst unregenerate, "foolish, disobedient, deceived", Tit_3:3 yea, they may be, and oftentimes are, deceived after conversion; but then this is in part only, and not totally; in some lesser, and not in the greater matters of faith; not so as to let go their hold of Christ their head, and quit the doctrine of salvation by him, or fall into damnable heresies: they may be seduced from the simplicity of the Gospel, but not finally; for they shall be recovered out of the snare of the devil, and not to be left to perish in such deceivings. This clause, as it expresses the power of deceivers, and the efficacy of Satan, so the influence and certainty of electing grace and the sure and firm perseverance of the saints, to the end, notwithstanding the cunning and craft of men and devils; for if these, with all their signs and wonders, could not deceive them, it may be pronounced impossible that they ever should be finally and totally deceived.

Others

Mark_13:22

to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect; who were chosen in Christ, unto eternal life; in consequence of which they truly believed in him, and were constant followers of him; but this was not possible: though such was the force of their deception, that there was apparent danger of it, were it not for the power and grace of God; See Gill on Mat_24:24.

John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible

Mat_24:24 - They would deceive, if possible, the very elect - But it is not possible that God should suffer the body of Christians to be thus deceived.

Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible, Albert Barnes (1798-1870)

Agrees saying the same things, but thinks “Elect” = “Christian”

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Origen believes and the obviousness of free will

“And now, to confirm the deductions of reason by the authority of Scripture—namely, that it is our own doing whether we live rightly or not, and that we are not compelled, either by those causes which come to us from without, or, as some think, by the presence of fate—we adduce the testimony of the prophet Micah, in these words: “If it has been announced to you, O man, what is good, or what the Lord requires of you, except that you should do justice, and love mercy, and be ready to walk with the Lord your God [Mic_6:8].” Moses also speaks as follows: “I have placed before your face the way of life and the way of death: choose what is good, and walk in it [Deu_30:15].” Isaiah, moreover, makes this declaration: “If you are willing, and hear me, you shall eat the good of the land. But if you be unwilling, and will not hear me, the sword shall consume you; for the mouth of the Lord has spoken this [Isa_1:19-20].” In the Psalm, too, it is written: “If My people had heard Me, if Israel had walked in My ways, I would have humbled her enemies to nothing [Ps 131:13-14];” by which he shows that it was in the power of the people to hear, and to walk in the ways of God. The Savior also saying, “I say to you, Do not resist evildoers;” and, “Whoever shall be angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment;” and, “Whosoever shall look upon a woman to lust after her, has already committed adultery with her in his heart;” and in issuing certain other commands,—conveys no other meaning than this, that it is in our own power to observe what is commanded. And therefore we are rightly rendered liable to condemnation if we transgress those commandments which we are able to keep. Origen (c. 185-254),ANF, 4.305-306.”

Sincerity & Intentions vs. the Motives of a Pure Heart

6/8/16

God Judges the heart

>> this is where things / Biblical themes were before confusion/deception

God who searches the hearts

Vs.

Not of him who wills or runs

Esau seeking to repent

What is the test?

If we keep his commandments

>> for the oppressed righteous, they are often more righteous than they know…

Let a proclaimer tell you the truth about where you are

Believe the Bible and let it educate and train your conscious and soul to believe the perfect truth.

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6/6/16

Sir_39:20 His gaze spans all the ages;

is there any counting what he achieves?

Seeds and Ground

5/27/16

>> Pred | SOM | Favor

This absolutely proves that God originally designed and determined that something down here was involved in bearing the fruit that He wanted.

Yes, it might be as basic as dirt, and profoundly speaking, Adam was made from dirt!, yet this is just what God wanted to bear His seed and nature.

All we need is blessed ground.

Just as it says:

>>Scrip:

the ground that bears drinks in the rain and receives blessing from God…

So if the ground is blessed, it is good, and it has just what the creator originally designated for contributing nourishment to the pattern and structure built into the seed so that God and man can be one in the truth they produce upon the earth.

How does one obtain this blessedness?

Through random selection of predestination?

On one hand: Yes, as far as we can tell.

But on the other hand: Jesus gives us the very practical answer that amazingly shines out all of the Justice of His predestination: the ground that is blessed is the soul who is poor in spirit -- they are blessed in Mathew 5 and they bear the fruit of obedience demanded of all disciples on Matthew 7.

The False Mercy of Free-Willy’s and Some Spurgen-ists’

…5/2/16

>> get refs from MrS confrontations…

>> Pop: cvb -- HCG Flesh

>> BBS RTF????

>> fb coment ~ 4/30/16 (or probably a little before)

>> surprising harshness

>> people think they are more merciful than the Scriptures

We often like to think that we are more merciful than God.

Spearing the insolent

David put them to the saw

>> See: commentaries

5/3/16

Jdg_8:7 KJV+ And Gideon^H1439 said,^H559 Therefore^H3651 when the LORD^H3068 hath delivered^{H5414 (H853)} Zebah^H2078 and Zalmunna^H6759 into mine hand,^H3027 then I will tear^{H1758 (H853)} your flesh^H1320 with^H854 the thorns^H6975 of the wilderness^H4057 and with^H854 briers.^H1303

Jdg_8:7 And Gideon said, “Therefore when the Lord gives Zebah and Zalmunna into my hand, then will I tear your flesh with the thorns of the wilderness, and the Barkenim.”

Jdg_8:7 καὶ εἶπεν Γεδεων Διὰ τοῦτο ἐν τῷ δοῦναι κύριον τὸν Ζεβεε καὶ Σελμανα ἐν χειρί μου, καὶ ἐγὼ ἀλοήσω τὰς σάρκας ὑμῶν ἐν ταῖς ἀκάνθαις τῆς ἐρήμου καὶ ἐν ταῖς αβαρκηνιν.

The Real Jesus: you will die in your sins

The Real Bible: let their backs be bent over

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Find 'son of perdition' – how does this fit w predestination?

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1/23/16

Elliott Nesch

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Why does evil exist? God is love, and God is not the author of sin and evil. God could have made a world of robots programmed to do good. But those benevolent robots would not know love because they were not free agents. Love requires free will. Where free will exists, there is a possibility of evil. God thought it was better to create a world where evil was possible rather than a world where love is impossible. This world exists for many people. But the world to come exists for the few who love and obey God now.

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Elliott Nesch In Romans_9:19, Paul is anticipating an invalid objection to his argument. His hypothetical objector asks the rhetorical question: “Why does God still find fault for who has resisted his will? The unbeliever is asking how he can be judged as a vessel o...See More

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Stan Avery Outside of time, where God dwells, we are foreknown and predestined to the minutest detail of time and space. Inside time, where we dwell, we are totally free to make our feeble choices and efforts. I love paradoxes.

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Bill Tiano Im not very bright; however ,the thing God has Determined is that He will preserve those, save, rescue those who love Him: Psalm_145:20-20 The Lord preserveth all them that love him... but also it seems Gods Spirit has taught me, ...See More

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David Valderrama "And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 'If any man WILL come after Me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me.'" It is absurd to think that He declared such a statement to men, when such a statement would belong to God only. If God alone, has the ability to choose. The fact that He proclaimed those words to great multitudes of MEN who were with Him, "If any man WILL," demonstrates His understanding of what is in men: A will able to choose to deny themselves, take up the cross, and follow Him. The Lord's prayer "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done," is how he taught His disciples to pray. If it were not possible for another will to be done, this prayer makes no sense. If His example in the garden applies to us, "Nevertheless not My WILL, but Thy will be done," then it is because we have a choice to do "Thy will," or our own will.

"The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power." [2 Thess. 1] If men have no free will, then men are not going to be punished for not Obeying the gospel of our Lord Yeshua. They have no choice in the matter. The very evil works they do would be the will of God, not theirs. Such a blasphemous view of God debases the mind, and totally depraves men.

"When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth." [Proverbs 8] The waters do not transgress His commandments because the waters have no will to do otherwise. Men will be punished for transgressing His commandments, because men (unlike the waters) are capable of perform them, of choosing to obey, or to transgress. If God is completely Sovereign and ruling over man in the same way as He does the aforementioned waters, then He will not be punishing men for transgressing such commandment, whether He commanded them to be good or evil, they would not transgress it. However, God does not rule over men the same way He does the waters, for He has commanded men not to transgress His commands yet they do it anyways. Is the power of the fall, the pull of sin, stronger than God. Certainly not. God has willed for men to have wills, according to His own good pleasure. He prefered to create a universe in which evil is possible, rather than a universe will free will, love, and meaningful relationships are not possible.

"My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself." [John 7] Again, if any man WILL do his will.

"For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it." Notice, whosoever WILL.

"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." The Son of Man will never be able to do this if the works men do are not their own works. If men are not doing what it appears they are doing (if the works they perform are not the results of their own free choice) then the works are not their own, and Yeshua made no sense when He said that He will reward every man according to HIS works.

If God alone has the power of choice, then He alone is responsible for everything, whether good or bad, not the men He promises to bless or punish for the good or bad done in the body. If God alone has the power to choose, then man is wholly innocent, and what Good God punishes the innocent? A False God!

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There are many (Mtt. 20:16) who are "called²⁸²² to be saints:⁴⁰" (Rom1:7), "that love God" (Rom_8:28). They "are sanctified in Christ Jesus" and they "call-upon¹⁹⁴¹ the name of Jesus Christ our Lord," (1Co_1:2) and to them "Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God" and they have "his purpose" (Rom_8:28), "but few [of them] are Elect" (Mtt. 20:16)

The Elect are different in that they 'cannot be decieved' (Mat_24:24). They are the only ones 'gathered together' (Mk 13:27) in the rapture. It is only worth "endure[ing] all things for the elect's sakes" to see them saved because only these who are "called,²⁸²² and elect" (Rev_17:14) will be with Jesus at the end, because only those who are 'called and elected' "never fall" (2Pe_3:10) because they "are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation" (1Pe_1:5) "according to the foreknowledge of God " (1Pe_1:2). Only they are "chosen¹⁵⁸⁶ ... in him before the foundation of the world"

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William Law -- Made Up Arminian Blasphemous Heresy

See: SRP (Sin Repentance Perfection) > PFO | Lov

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what if you feel predestined to hell?

8/6/18; 8/26/18

Joshua 9 - even cursed people can be saved by Jesus/Joshua?

living a luxurious life can very easily make you feel like you are predestined to hell because God has already told us that he has chosen the poor for eternal life...

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Deu_31:16 WEB Yahweh said to Moses, Behold, you shall sleep with your fathers; and this people will rise up, and play the prostitute after the strange gods of the land, where they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

Deu_31:16 LB And the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, you shall sleep with your fathers, and this people shall arise and whore after the strange gods of the land, into which they are entering: and they will forsake Me, and break My covenant, which I made with them.

Deu_31:16 καὶ εἶπεν κύριος πρὸς Μωυσῆν Ἰδοὺ σὺ κοιμᾷ μετὰ τῶν πατέρων σου, καὶ ἀναστὰς ὁ λαὸς οὗτος ἐκπορνεύσει ὀπίσω θεῶν ἀλλοτρίων τῆς γῆς, εἰς ἣν οὗτος εἰσπορεύεται ἐκεῖ εἰς αὐτήν, καὶ ἐγκαταλείψουσίν με καὶ διασκεδάσουσιν τὴν διαθήκην μου, ἣν διεθέμην αὐτοῖς.

Responsibility

Other dates (~end of 2017 through 2018); 8/26/18

Deu_29:29 WEB The secret things belong to Yahweh our God; but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Deu_29:29 LB The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, to do all the words of this law.

Deu_29:29 (29:28) τὰ κρυπτὰ κυρίῳ τῷ θεῷ ἡμῶν, τὰ δὲ φανερὰ ἡμῖν καὶ τοῖς τέκνοις ἡμῶν εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα ποιεῖν πάντα τὰ ῥήματα τοῦ νόμου τούτου.

>> Sync: LO | SPI | PFO > Responsibility

Deu_30:1-2, 5, 11, etc. Deu_30:15, Deu_30:19,

Deu_31:1 WEB Moses went and spoke these words to all Israel.

Deu_31:1 LB Joshua Becomes Moses’ Successor And Moses finished speaking all these words to all the children of Israel,

Deu_31:1 Καὶ συνετέλεσεν Μωυσῆς λαλῶν πάντας τοὺς λόγους τούτους πρὸς πάντας υἱοὺς Ισραηλ·

Deu_31:2 WEB He said to them, I am one hundred twenty years old this day; I can no more go out and come in: and Yahweh has said to me, You shall not go over this Jordan.

Deu_31:2 and said to them, “I am this day a hundred and twenty years old; I shall not be able any longer to come in or go out; and the Lord said to me, ‘You shall not go over this Jordan.’

Deu_31:2 καὶ εἶπεν πρὸς αὐτούς Ἑκατὸν καὶ εἴκοσι ἐτῶν ἐγώ εἰμι σήμερον, οὐ δυνήσομαι ἔτι εἰσπορεύεσθαι καὶ ἐκπορεύεσθαι, κύριος δὲ εἶπεν πρός με Οὐ διαβήσῃ τὸν Ιορδάνην τοῦτον.

Deu_31:5 WEB Yahweh will deliver them up before you, and you shall do to them according to all the commandment which I have commanded you.

Deu_31:5 LB And the Lord has delivered them to you; and you shall do to them, as I commanded you.

Deu_31:5 καὶ παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς κύριος ὑμῖν, καὶ ποιήσετε αὐτοῖς καθότι ἐνετειλάμην ὑμῖν.

Deu_31:11 WEB when all Israel is come to appear before Yahweh your God in the place which he shall choose, you shall read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

Deu_31:11 LB when all Israel comes together to appear before the Lord your God, in the place which the Lord shall choose, you shall read this law before all Israel in their ears,

Deu_31:11 ἐν τῷ συμπορεύεσθαι πάντα Ισραηλ ὀφθῆναι ἐνώπιον κυρίου τοῦ θεοῦ σου ἐν τῷ τόπῳ, ᾧ ἂν ἐκλέξηται κύριος, ἀναγνώσεσθε τὸν νόμον τοῦτον ἐναντίον παντὸς Ισραηλ εἰς τὰ ὦτα αὐτῶν·

>> see following verses / context?

Deu_31:15 WEB Yahweh appeared in the Tent in a pillar of cloud: and the pillar of cloud stood over the door of the Tent.

Deu_31:15 LB And the Lord descended in a cloud, and stood by the doors of the tabernacle of testimony; and the pillar of the cloud stood by the doors of the tabernacle of testimony.

Deu_31:15 καὶ κατέβη κύριος ἐν νεφέλῃ καὶ ἔστη παρὰ τὰς θύρας τῆς σκηνῆς τοῦ μαρτυρίου, καὶ ἔστη ὁ στῦλος τῆς νεφέλης παρὰ τὰς θύρας τῆς σκηνῆς.

Deu_31:19 WEB Now therefore write you this song for you, and teach you it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.

Deu_31:19 LB And now write the words of this song, and teach it to the children of Israel, and you shall put it into their mouth, that this song may witness for Me among the children of Israel to their face.

Deu_31:19 καὶ νῦν γράψατε τὰ ῥήματα τῆς ᾠδῆς ταύτης καὶ διδάξετε αὐτὴν τοὺς υἱοὺς Ισραηλ καὶ ἐμβαλεῖτε αὐτὴν εἰς τὸ στόμα αὐτῶν, ἵνα γένηταί μοι ἡ ᾠδὴ αὕτη εἰς μαρτύριον ἐν υἱοῖς Ισραηλ.

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oh Jerusalem, how quickly I would have gathered you...

the fact that God thinks of alternative possibilities and prepares for them and makes provision for them proves that God left open the possibility of them making an alternative choice.

Jesus does not attribute this directly to God's predestination, but their choice.

I set before you today life and death, so choose life.

…

>>Scrip:

Old Testament matriarchs getting pregnant

Lot's daughters getting pregnant

Jael versus Cicera

Jesus: she did what she could

Paul: a man is not measured by what he does not have, but by what he has

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Jacob getting into Isaac's greatness however he could, and Leah getting into Jacob's greatness however she could

Jeptha born into a negative life, but redeemed into Truth by faith

Ruth getting into boaz's greatness (and vice versa)

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Jacob Loved Rachel RATHER than Leah = Real (Sexual) hate

>>Scrip:

Mat_10:5-6, etc

“Better” does not logically imply that suffering for evil is good at all!

1Pe 3:16 having a good conscience, so that in what they speak against you as evildoers, those reviling your good conduct in Christ may be put to shame.

1Pe 3:16 συνειδησιν εχοντες αγαθην ινα εν ω Aκαταλαλεισθε TSBκαταλαλωσιν TSBυμων TSBως TSBκακοποιων καταισχυνθωσιν οι επηρεαζοντες υμων την αγαθην εν χριστω αναστροφην

1Pe 3:17 For it is better to suffer for doing good, if [ει] it is the will of God, than for doing evil.

1Pe 3:17 κρειττον γαρ αγαθοποιουντας ει BAθελοι TSθελει το θελημα του θεου πασχειν η κακοποιουντας

1Pe 3:18 Christ’s Suffering and Ours For Christ also suffered once to atone for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Spirit,

1Pe 3:18 οτι και χριστος απαξ περι αμαρτιων επαθεν δικαιος υπερ αδικων ινα BAυμας TSημας προσαγαγη τω θεω θανατωθεις μεν σαρκι ζωοποιηθεις δε TSτω πνευματι

>> Sync: SPI | PFO

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“No Plucking” Does Not Equal “No Jumping”

2/12/18

Deu 31:6 Be strong and of good courage, don't be afraid, nor be scared of them: for Yahweh your God, he it is who does go with you; he will not fail you, nor forsake you.

Deu 31:6 Be courageous and strong; fear not, neither be cowardly neither be afraid before them; for it is the Lord your God that advances with you in the midst of you, neither will He by any means forsake you, nor desert you.

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Deu 31:16 Yahweh said to Moses, Behold, you shall sleep with your fathers; and this people will rise up, and play the prostitute after the strange gods of the land, where they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

Deu 31:16 And the Lord said to Moses, Behold, you shall sleep with your fathers, and this people shall arise and go a whoring after the strange gods of the land, into which they are entering: and they will forsake Me, and break My covenant, which I made with them.

Deu 31:17 Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall come on them; so that they will say in that day, Haven't these evils come on us because our God is not among us?

Deu 31:17 And I will be very angry with them in that day, and I will leave them and turn My face away from them, and they shall be devoured. And many evils and afflictions shall come upon them, and they shall say in that day, Because the Lord my God is not with me, these evils have come upon me.

Deu 31:18 I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evil which they shall have worked, in that they are turned to other gods.

Deu 31:18 And I will surely turn away My face from them in that day, because of all their evil doings which they have done, because they turned aside after strange gods.

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Deu 31:23 He commissioned Joshua the son of Nun, and said, Be strong and of good courage; for you shall bring the children of Israel into the land which I swore to them: and I will be with you.

Deu 31:23 And he charged Joshua, and said, Be courageous and strong, for you shall bring the sons of Israel into the land, which the Lord swore to them, and He shall be with you.

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12/17/17

you can win

you don't have to lose

the ball is in your court

you are free to choose

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Shocking Wrath

The Shockingly Harsh Wrath of God

God Has Wrath -- Shockingly Harsh Wrath!

7/17/13; 8/4/13; 1/15/14; 2/2/14; (other dates, seen below); 6/30/17; 7/10/17; 8/4/18; 8/26/18 (recompiled, again)

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Freewill-ie Heretics Blaspheme God's Real Wrath

7/10/17

Deu_9:19 WEB For I was afraid of the anger and hot displeasure, with which Yahweh was angry against you to destroy you. But Yahweh listened to me that time also.

Deu_9:19 LB And I was greatly terrified because of the wrath and anger, because the Lord was provoked with you utterly, to destroy you; yet the Lord hearkened to me at this time also.

Deu_9:19 καὶ ἔκφοβός εἰμι διὰ τὴν ὀργὴν καὶ τὸν θυμόν, ὅτι παρωξύνθη κύριος ἐφ᾿ ὑμῖν ἐξολεθρεῦσαι ὑμᾶς· καὶ εἰσήκουσεν κύριος ἐμοῦ καὶ ἐν τῷ καιρῷ τούτῳ.

Deu_9:20 WEB Yahweh was very angry with Aaron to destroy him: and I prayed for Aaron also at the same time.

Deu_9:20 And He was angry with Aaron to destroy him utterly, and I prayed for Aaron also at that time.

Deu_9:20 καὶ ἐπὶ Ααρων ἐθυμώθη κύριος σφόδρα ἐξολεθρεῦσαι αὐτόν, καὶ ηὐξάμην καὶ περὶ Ααρων ἐν τῷ καιρῷ ἐκείνῳ.

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Deu_28:63 WEB It shall happen that as Yahweh rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you, so Yahweh will rejoice over you to cause you to perish, and to destroy you; and you shall be plucked from off the land where you go in to possess it.

Deu_28:63 LB And it shall come to pass that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you, so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you; and you shall be quickly removed from the land, into which you go to inherit it.

Deu_28:63 καὶ ἔσται ὃν τρόπον εὐφράνθη κύριος ἐφ᾿ ὑμῖν εὖ ποιῆσαι ὑμᾶς καὶ πληθῦναι ὑμᾶς, οὕτως εὐφρανθήσεται κύριος ἐφ᾿ ὑμῖν ἐξολεθρεῦσαι ὑμᾶς, καὶ ἐξαρθήσεσθε ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς, εἰς ἣν ὑμεῖς εἰσπορεύεσθε ἐκεῖ κληρονομῆσαι αὐτήν.

Deu_28:66 WEB and your life shall hang in doubt before you; and you shall fear night and day, and shall have no assurance of your life.

Deu_28:66 LB And your life shall be in suspense before your eyes, and you shall be afraid by day and by night, and you shall have no assurance of your life.

Deu_28:66 καὶ ἔσται ἡ ζωή σου κρεμαμένη ἀπέναντι τῶν ὀφθαλμῶν σου, καὶ φοβηθήσῃ ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς καὶ οὐ πιστεύσεις τῇ ζωῇ σου·

Deu_28:67 WEB In the morning you shall say, Would it were evening! and at evening you shall say, Would it were morning! for the fear of your heart which you shall fear, and for the sight of your eyes which you shall see.

Deu_28:67 In the morning you shall say, ‘If only it were evening!’ And in the evening you shall say, ‘If only it were morning!’ For the fear of your heart with which you shall fear, and for the sights of your eyes which you shall see.

Deu_28:67 τὸ πρωὶ ἐρεῖς Πῶς ἂν γένοιτο ἑσπέρα; καὶ τὸ ἑσπέρας ἐρεῖς Πῶς ἂν γένοιτο πρωί; ἀπὸ τοῦ φόβου τῆς καρδίας σου, ἃ φοβηθήσῃ, καὶ ἀπὸ τῶν ὁραμάτων τῶν ὀφθαλμῶν σου, ὧν ὄψῃ.

Deu_28:68 WEB Yahweh will bring you into Egypt again with ships, by the way of which I said to you, You shall see it no more again: and there you shall sell yourselves to your enemies for bondservants and for bondmaids, and no man shall buy you.

Deu_28:68 And the Lord shall bring you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said, ‘You shall not see it again’; and you shall be sold there to your enemies as male and female slaves, and no one shall buy you.”

Deu_28:68 καὶ ἀποστρέψει σε κύριος εἰς Αἴγυπτον ἐν πλοίοις καὶ ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ, ᾗ εἶπα Οὐ προσθήσεσθε ἔτι ἰδεῖν αὐτήν· καὶ πραθήσεσθε ἐκεῖ τοῖς ἐχθροῖς ὑμῶν εἰς παῖδας καὶ παιδίσκας, καὶ οὐκ ἔσται ὁ κτώμενος.

Don't forget: It is NOT the Bible obeyers who cause these things, but the unrighteous who say they won't happen that makes them happen....

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Deu 29 !!!

Deu_32:41 WEB if I whet my glittering sword, My hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to my adversaries, and will recompense those who hate me.

Deu_32:41 LB For I will sharpen My sword like lightning, and My hand shall take hold of judgment; and I will render judgment to My enemies, and will recompense them that hate Me.

Deu_32:41 ὅτι παροξυνῶ ὡς ἀστραπὴν τὴν μάχαιράν μου, καὶ ἀνθέξεται κρίματος ἡ χείρ μου, καὶ ἀνταποδώσω δίκην τοῖς ἐχθροῖς καὶ τοῖς μισοῦσίν με ἀνταποδώσω·

Deu_32:42 WEB I will make my arrows drunk with blood. My sword shall devour flesh with the blood of the slain and the captives, from the head of the leaders of the enemy.

Deu_32:42 I will make My weapons drunk with blood, and My sword shall devour flesh, it shall gorge itself with the blood of the wounded, and from the captivity of the heads of their enemies that rule over them.’

Deu_32:42 μεθύσω τὰ βέλη μου ἀφ᾿ αἵματος, καὶ ἡ μάχαιρά μου καταφάγεται κρέα, ἀφ᾿ αἵματος τραυματιῶν καὶ αἰχμαλωσίας, ἀπὸ κεφαλῆς ἀρχόντων ἐχθρῶν.

Deu_32:43 WEB Rejoice, you nations, with his people, for he will avenge the blood of his servants. He will render vengeance to his adversaries, And will make expiation for his land, for his people.

Deu_32:43 Rejoice, you heavens, with Him, and let all the angels of God worship Him; rejoice you Gentiles, with His people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in Him; for He shall avenge the blood of His sons, and He shall render vengeance, and recompense justice to His enemies, and He will repay them that hate Him; and the Lord shall purge the land of His people.”

Deu_32:43 εὐφράνθητε, οὐρανοί, ἅμα αὐτῷ, καὶ προσκυνησάτωσαν αὐτῷ πάντες υἱοὶ θεοῦ· εὐφράνθητε, ἔθνη, μετὰ τοῦ λαοῦ αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐνισχυσάτωσαν αὐτῷ πάντες ἄγγελοι θεοῦ· ὅτι τὸ αἷμα τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ ἐκδικᾶται, καὶ ἐκδικήσει καὶ ἀνταποδώσει δίκην τοῖς ἐχθροῖς καὶ τοῖς μισοῦσιν ἀνταποδώσει, καὶ ἐκκαθαριεῖ κύριος τὴν γῆν τοῦ λαοῦ αὐτοῦ.

Jos_23:15 WEB It shall happen that as all the good things have come on you of which Yahweh your God spoke to you, so Yahweh will bring on you all the evil things, until he has destroyed you from off this good land which Yahweh your God has given you,

Jos_23:15 LB And it shall come to pass, that as all the good things have come upon us which the Lord God promised you, so shall He bring upon you all the evil things, until He has destroyed you from off this good land, which the Lord has given you,

Jos_23:15 καὶ ἔσται ὃν τρόπον ἥκει ἐφ᾿ ὑμᾶς πάντα τὰ ῥήματα τὰ καλά, ἃ ἐλάλησεν κύριος πρὸς ὑμᾶς, οὕτως ἐπάξει κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἐφ᾿ ὑμᾶς πάντα τὰ ῥήματα τὰ πονηρά, ἕως ἂν ἐξολεθρεύσῃ ὑμᾶς ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς τῆς ἀγαθῆς ταύτης, ἧς ἔδωκεν κύριος ὑμῖν,

Jos_23:16 WEB when you disobey the covenant of Yahweh your God, which he commanded you, and go and serve other gods, and bow down yourselves to them. Then the anger of Yahweh will be kindled against you, and you will perish quickly from off the good land which he has given to you."

Jos_23:16 when you transgress the covenant of the Lord our God, which He has commanded us, and go and serve other gods, and bow down to them.”

Jos_23:16 ἐν τῷ παραβῆναι ὑμᾶς τὴν διαθήκην κυρίου τοῦ θεοῦ ὑμῶν, ἣν ἐνετείλατο ὑμῖν, καὶ πορευθέντες λατρεύσητε θεοῖς ἑτέροις καὶ προσκυνήσητε αὐτοῖς.

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Num 25:4 WEB Yahweh said to Moses, Take all the chiefs of the people, and hang them up to Yahweh before the sun, that the fierce anger of Yahweh may turn away from Israel.

Num 25:4 LB And the Lord said to Moses, “Take all the princes of the people, and make them examples of judgment for the Lord in the face of the sun, and the anger of the Lord shall be turned away from Israel.”

Num 25:4 καὶ εἶπεν κύριος τῷ Μωυσῇ Λαβὲ πάντας τοὺς ἀρχηγοὺς τοῦ λαοῦ καὶ παραδειγμάτισον αὐτοὺς κυρίῳ ἀπέναντι τοῦ ἡλίου, καὶ ἀποστραφήσεται ὀργὴ θυμοῦ κυρίου ἀπὸ Ισραηλ.

Num 25:11 WEB Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, has turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, in that he was jealous with my jealousy among them, so that I didn't consume the children of Israel in my jealousy.

Num 25:11 “Phinehas the son of Eleazar the son of Aaron the priest has caused My wrath to cease from the children of Israel, when I was exceedingly jealous among them, and I did not consume the children of Israel in My jealousy.

Num 25:11 Φινεες υἱὸς Ελεαζαρ υἱοῦ Ααρων τοῦ ἱερέως κατέπαυσεν τὸν θυμόν μου ἀπὸ υἱῶν Ισραηλ ἐν τῷ ζηλῶσαί μου τὸν ζῆλον ἐν αὐτοῖς, καὶ οὐκ ἐξανήλωσα τοὺς υἱοὺς Ισραηλ ἐν τῷ ζήλῳ μου.

>> this was Jesus’ posture in crucifixion

>> notice this death penalty has to do with God’s anger

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4/4/17

Lev 14:34 WEB "When you have come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put a spreading mildew in a house in the land of your possession,

Lev 14:34 LB “Whenever you shall enter into the land of the Canaanites, which I give you for a possession, and I shall put the plague of leprosy in the houses of the land of your possession;

Lev 14:34 Ὡς ἂν εἰσέλθητε εἰς τὴν γῆν τῶν Χαναναίων, ἣν ἐγὼ δίδωμι ὑμῖν ἐν κτήσει, καὶ δώσω ἁφὴν λέπρας ἐν ταῖς οἰκίαις τῆς γῆς τῆς ἐγκτήτου ὑμῖν,

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God's Satisfaction With Sacrifices & Justice

God Himself is Ultimately Satisfied by the Death of His Enemies

3/21/17; 3/23/17

>> Does this go here, or in: SRP? Or Lov? Etc.

although no pleasure right now, that does not mean there is not satisfying, nor does it bar God from ultimately rejoicing over his enemies when they no longer bear his icon and they are tormented forever.

In fact, it is not only God who rejoices, but the angels and all of the righteous have been redeemed.

The perverted and foolhardy heresies that even dare to suggest that God will not be satisfied now and rejoice later over the death and destruction and torment of those he hates and his enemy is so absurd and filthy and demonic Madness that those who hold that thought to be harshly rejected and perverts seeking to destroy the truth on the earth and a murder innocent lives for no reason except dirty bloodlust.

sweet aroma of sacrifices

slay my enemies here before me

tormented in the presence of the Holy Angels

the Lord will laugh

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https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/morningoffering/2017/07/heresy-penal-substitution-2/

Glenn Roseberry

Not to be picky but Anselm did not introduce the Penal Substitution theory of the atonement but rather the Satisfaction Model. The Penal Substitution model was a modified version of the Satisfaction Model, reengineered for the Reformers. The Satisfaction Model is based on chivalry and was a very strange view based on a very narrow (and at that time) a contemporary and novel form of reality that really never existed during Biblical times and did not exist for long in history.

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Forrest Sprague

Doesn't Isaiah 53 speak of a "satisfaction" or "penal substitution"...?

"...the chastisement for our peace was upon Him..."

"...and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all..."

"...Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him, He has put Him to grief..."

Glenn Roseberry

Great verse. All models reflect a vicarious suffering and a reconciliation to God. All the models are men trying to define an event that God has chosen NOT to reduce to a model. It is the great historical event that destroyed the works of the Devil, prevailed against the gates of Hades, reconciled us to the Father and so much more. Men love these little boxes and doctrines. I suspect so they can argue over things God in His infinite wisdom chose NOT to put under a microscope. I find the Penal model a reduction of the Reconciliation to a mere book keeping change. It is puzzling that it seems to need to change God's mind about man instead of revolutionarily and dynamically changing man to please God. It has some points but is way too limited and is NOT the historic position. The substitutionary model, was not even relevant as a contemporary model except during a brief period in the middle ages. I also find the ransom model to be absent and dismissive of all but a few of the verses used for the other two models making it my favorite I am familiar with among men, but wholly inadequate. I WANT to be a Christu Victus guys as it has the coolest title, LOl but until I read the original writings on the peace I can only admire it from afar. From little I know of it this one combines the ransom theory of the atonement with bible verses ALL the others minimize or ignore. Let us all agree of the wonderful work of Jesus to reconcile us to God through His sacrificial death and resurrection. And

Whitney Eberhardt

This is a vile twisting of the Gospel. God is so Holy (set apart from sin) that it can not be in His presence. It isn't that He is angry at sin, he is repelled and protected from it. The fact that Jesus freely chose to lay down His Godly perogatives in order to become fully man/ as well as fully God is an incredible act of grace.

This twisting of Gospel truth is heretical. Not vice versa James Burns Jr.

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Eze 38:19-20 CAB that My wrath and My jealousy shall arise, I have spoken in the fire of My anger, verily in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20 and the fish of the sea shall quake at the presence of the Lord, and the birds of the sky and the wild beasts of the field, and all the reptiles that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are on the face of the earth; and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the valleys shall fall, and every wall on the land shall fall.

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2Sa 22 WEB - CAB

8 Then the earth shook and trembled. The foundations of heaven quaked and were shaken, because he was angry.

8 And the earth was troubled and quaked, and the foundations of heaven were confounded and torn asunder, because the Lord was angry with them.

9 Smoke went up out of his nostrils. Fire out of his mouth devoured. Coals were kindled by it.

9 There went up a smoke in His wrath, and fire out of His mouth devours; coals were kindled at it.

10 He bowed the heavens also, and came down. Thick darkness was under his feet.

10 And He bowed the heavens, and came down, and there was darkness under His feet.

11 He rode on a cherub, and flew. Yes, he was seen on the wings of the wind.

11 And He rode upon the cherubim and flew, and was seen upon the wings of the wind.

12 He made darkness pavilions around himself: gathering of waters, and thick clouds of the skies.

12 And He made darkness His hiding place; His tabernacle round about Him was the darkness of waters, He condensed it with the clouds of the air.

13 At the brightness before him, coals of fire were kindled.

13 At the brightness before Him coals of fire were kindled.

14 Yahweh thundered from heaven. The Most High uttered his voice.

14 The Lord thundered out of heaven, and the Most High uttered His voice.

15 He sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and confused them.

15 And He sent forth arrows, and scattered them, and He flashed lightning, and dismayed them.

16 Then the channels of the sea appeared. The foundations of the world were laid bare by the rebuke of Yahweh, At the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

16 And the channels of the sea were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuke of the Lord, at the blast of the breath of His anger.

17 He sent from on high and he took me. He drew me out of many waters.

17 He sent from above and took me; He drew me out of many waters.

Psa_2:1-12 CAB Why did the heathen rage, and the nations imagine vain things? 2 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers gathered themselves together, against the Lord, and against His Christ; 3 saying, Let us break through Their bonds, and cast away Their yoke from us. 4 He that dwells in the heavens shall laugh them to scorn, and the Lord shall mock them. 5 Then shall He speak to them in His anger, and trouble them in His fury. 6 But I have been made King by Him on Zion His holy mountain, 7 declaring the ordinance of the Lord: the Lord has said to Me, You are My Son, today I have begotten You. 8 Ask of Me, and I shall give You the nations for Your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for Your possession. 9 You shall rule them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them in pieces as a potter's vessel. 10 Now therefore understand, you kings: be instructed, all you that judge the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice in Him with trembling. 12 Accept correction, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and you should perish from the righteous way. Whenever His wrath shall be suddenly kindled, blessed are all they that trust in Him.

Hos_4:6 CAB My people are like as if they had no knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you, that you shall not minister as priest unto Me: and as you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

Isa_59:17-19 CAB And He put on righteousness as a breastplate, and placed the helmet of salvation on His head; and He clothed himself with the garment of vengeance, and with His cloak, 18 as one about to render a recompense, even reproach to His adversaries. 19 So shall they of the west fear the name of the Lord, and they that come from the rising of the sun shall fear His glorious name; for the wrath of the Lord shall come as a mighty river, it shall come with fury.

Isa_59:17-19 WEB He put on righteousness as a breastplate, and a helmet of salvation on his head; and he put on garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a mantle. 18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, wrath to his adversaries, recompense to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompense. 19 So shall they fear the name of Yahweh from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun; for he will come as a rushing stream, which the breath of Yahweh drives.

Jer_5:8-9 CAB They became as wanton horses — each one neighed after his neighbor's wife. 9 Shall I not punish them for these things? Says the Lord: and shall not My soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

Jer_7:13-20 CAB And now, because you have done all these deeds, and I spoke to you, but you hearkened not to Me; and I called you, but you answered not. 14 Therefore I also will do to the house which is called by My name, in which you trust, and to the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I did to Shiloh. 15 And I will cast you out of My sight, as I cast away your brethren, all the seed of Ephraim. 16 Therefore do not pray for this people, and do not intercede for them to be pitied. Yes, do not pray, and do not approach Me for them, for I will not hearken unto you. 17 Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 Their children gather wood, and their fathers kindle a fire, and their women knead dough, to make cakes to the host of heaven; and they have poured out drink offerings to strange gods, that they might provoke Me to anger. 19 Do they provoke Me to anger? Says the Lord. Do they not provoke themselves, that their faces may be ashamed? 20 Therefore thus says the Lord; Behold, My anger and wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and upon the men, and upon the cattle, and upon every tree of their field, and upon the fruits of the land; and it shall burn, and not be quenched.

Jer_9:8-9 CAB Their tongue is a wounding arrow; the words of their mouth are deceitful. One speaks peaceably to his neighbor, but in himself retains enmity. 9 Shall I not punish them for these things? Says the Lord. And shall not My soul be avenged on such a people as this?

Jer_44:21-23 CAB Did not the Lord remember the incense which you burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem — you, and your fathers, and your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land? Did it not enter into His heart? 22 And the Lord could no longer bear you, because of the wickedness of your doings, and because of your abominations which you wrought; and so your land became a desolation and a waste, and a curse, as it is this day. 23 Because of your burning incense, and because of the things in which you sinned against the Lord. And you have not hearkened to the voice of the Lord, and have not walked in His ordinances, and in His law, and in His testimonies; and so these evils have come upon you.

Eze_38:11-12 CAB And you shall say, I will go up to the rejected land; I will come upon them that are at ease in tranquility, and dwelling in peace, all inhabiting a land in which there is no wall, nor bars, nor have they doors; 12 to seize plunder, and to take their spoil; to turn my hands against the desolate land that is now inhabited, and against a nation that is gathered from many nations, that have acquired property, dwelling in the midst of the land.

Zep_1:18 CAB And their silver and their gold shall by no means be able to rescue them in the day of the Lord's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of His jealously; for He will bring a speedy destruction on all them that inhabit the land.

Zec_6:8 CAB And He cried out and spoke to me, saying, Behold, these go out to the land of the north, and they have quieted My anger in the land of the north.

Eze_16:41-43 WEB They shall burn your houses with fire, and execute judgments on you in the sight of many women; and I will cause you to cease from playing the prostitute, and you shall also give no hire any more. 42 So will I cause my wrath toward you to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from you, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry. 43 Because you have not remembered the days of your youth, but have raged against me in all these things; therefore, behold, I also will bring your way on your head, says the Lord Yahweh: and you shall not commit this lewdness with all your abominations.

Eze_16:41-43 CAB And they shall burn your houses with fire, and shall execute vengeance on you in the sight of many women; and I will turn you back from harlotry, and I will no more give you rewards. 42 So will I slacken My fury against you, and My jealousy shall be removed from you, and I will rest, and be no more careful for you. 43 Because you did not remember the days of your youth, and you grieved Me in all these things; therefore, behold, I have recompensed your ways upon your head, says the Lord; for thus have you wrought ungodliness above all your other iniquities.

Eze_21:17 WEB I will also strike my hands together, and I will cause my wrath to rest: I, Yahweh, have spoken it.

Eze_21:17 CAB And I also will clap My hands, and let loose My fury. The Lord has spoken it.

Heb_10:13 CAB from that time waiting till His enemies are placed as a footstool for His feet.

Deu_28:63 WEB It shall happen that as Yahweh rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you, so Yahweh will rejoice over you to cause you to perish, and to destroy you; and you shall be plucked from off the land where you go in to possess it.

Deu_28:63 CAB And it shall come to pass that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you, so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you; and you shall be quickly removed from the land, into which you go to inherit it.

Deu_32:40-42 CAB For I will lift up My hand to heaven, and swear by My right hand, and I will say, I live forever. 41 For I will sharpen My sword like lightning, and My hand shall take hold of judgment; and I will render judgment to My enemies, and will recompense them that hate Me. 42 I will make My weapons drunk with blood, and My sword shall devour flesh, it shall gorge itself with the blood of the wounded, and from the captivity of the heads of their enemies that rule over them.

Deu_32:43 CAB Rejoice, you heavens, with Him, and let all the angels of God worship Him; rejoice you Gentiles, with His people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in Him; for [ὅפי] He shall avenge the blood of His sons, and He shall render vengeance, and recompense justice to His enemies, and will reward them that hate Him; and the Lord shall purge the land of His people.

Pro_1:25-33 CAB but you disdained my counsels, and disregarded my reproofs; 26 therefore I also will laugh at your destruction; and I will rejoice against you when ruin comes upon you: 27 yea when dismay suddenly comes upon you, and your overthrow shall arrive like a tempest; and when tribulation and distress shall come upon you, or when ruin shall come upon you. 28 For it shall be that when you call upon me, I will not listen to you: wicked men shall seek me, but shall not find me. 29 For they hated wisdom, and did not choose the word of the Lord: 30 neither would they attend to my counsels, but derided my reproofs. 31 Therefore shall they eat the fruits of their own way, and shall be filled with their own ungodliness. 32 For because they wronged the simple, they shall be slain; and an inquisition shall ruin the ungodly. 33 But he that listens to me shall dwell in confidence, and shall rest securely from all evil.

Eze_5:8-17 CAB Behold, I am against you, and I will execute judgment in the midst of you in the sight of the nations. 9 And I will do in you things which I have not done, and the like of which I will not do again, for all your abominations. 10 Therefore the fathers shall eat their children in the midst of you, and children shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in you, and I will scatter all that are left of you to the four winds. 11 Therefore, as I live, says the Lord; surely, because you have defiled My holy things with all your abominations, I also will reject you; My eye shall not spare, and I will have no mercy. 12 A fourth part of you shall be cut off by pestilence, and a fourth part of you shall be consumed in the midst of you with famine; and as for another fourth part of you, I will scatter them to all the winds; and a fourth part of you shall fall by the sword round about you, and I will draw out a sword after them. 13 And My wrath and My anger shall be accomplished upon them: and you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken in My jealousy, when I have accomplished My anger upon them. 14 And I will make you desolate, and your daughters round about you, in the sight of everyone that passes through. 15 And you shall be mourned over and miserable among the nations round about you, when I have executed judgments in you in the vengeance of My wrath. I, the Lord, have spoken. 16 And when I have sent against them shafts of famine, then they shall be consumed, and I will break the strength of your bread. 17 So I will send forth against you famine and evil [MT: "evilH7451 beasts"; נןםחסὰ] beasts, and I will take vengeance upon you; and pestilence and blood shall pass through upon you; and I will bring a sword upon you round about. I, the Lord, have spoken.

Isa_1:24-25 WEB Therefore the Lord, Yahweh of Armies, the Mighty One of Israel, says: "Ah, I will get relief from my adversaries, and avenge myself of my enemies; 25 and I will turn my hand on you, thoroughly purge away your dross, and will take away all your tin.

Isa_1:24-28 CAB Therefore thus says the Lord, the Lord of hosts, Woe to the mighty men of Israel; for My wrath shall not cease against My adversaries, and I will execute judgment on My enemies. 25 And I will bring My hand upon you, and purge you completely, and I will destroy the rebellious, and I will take away all transgressors from you. 26 And I will establish your judges as before, and your counselors as at the beginning; and afterward you shall be called the city of righteousness, the faithful mother city of Zion. 27 For her captives shall be saved with judgment, and with mercy. 28 And the transgressors and the sinners shall be crushed together, and they that forsake the Lord shall be utterly consumed.

Num_31:2 CAB Avenge the wrongs of the children of Israel on the Midianites, and afterwards you shall be added to your people.

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"Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the

wrath of the Lord Almighty, in the day of His burning anger." (Isaiah 13:13).

"In that day the Lord will punish the powers in the heavens above and the kings on the

earth below...the Lord Almighty will reign on Mount Zion in Jerusalem..." (Isaiah 24:21-

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BBS: Wrath

BBS: Sinners / SinL BBS

1/31/14; 2/15/14

Sin No More

Joh_5:14; Joh_8:11

"See, the day of the Lord is coming -- a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger -- to make

the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. The stars of heaven and their

constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will

not give its light." (Isaiah 13:9-10)

Psa 94:16 CAB Who will rise up for me against the transgressors? Or who will stand up with me against the workers of iniquity?

Psa 94:16 Greek (93:16) τίς ἀναστήσεταί μοι ἐπὶ πονηρευομένους, ἢ τίς συμπαραστήσεταί μοι ἐπὶ ἐργαζομένους τὴν ἀνομίαν;

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Jesus DID Bear Ous sins and the Wrath of God

unknown dates, ~2009; 6/20/13 (Rom_1:18; Joh_3:36); 6/29/13 (recompiled & retitled); 8/29/15

tags: Jesus Bore the Wrth of God; Jesus Wrath

God's stored up, 'abiding wrath' is upon sinners:

Rom_1:18 CAB For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven upon all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

Joh_3:36 - He who believes in the Son has eternal life; and he who does not believe the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

this is definitely the curent, present abiding wrath of God upon a person, that stoes them up until 'the day of wrath and righteous indigation of God'

Rom 2:5 But according to your hardness and impenitent heart you are storing up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation, and of the righteous judgment of God,

Rom 2:5 κατὰ δὲ τὴν σκληρότητά σου καὶ ἀμετανόητον καρδίαν θησαυρίζεις σεαυτῷ ὀργὴν ἐν ἡμέρᾳ ὀργῆς καὶ ἀποκαλύψεως δικαιοκρισίας τοῦ Θεοῦ,

Believing that the Bible is true when it says Jesus "became sin" when He "bore our sins on the tree" does not make you Calvanistic, Reformed, or even Protestant. It is just a matter of making you Biblical.

2Co_5:21 CAB For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

2Co 5:21 Greek τὸν γὰρ μὴ γνόντα ἁμαρτίαν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἁμαρτίαν ἐποίησεν, ἵνα ἡμεῖς γενώμεθα δικαιοσύνη Θεοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ.

Heb 9:28 so also Christ having been offered once in order to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time apart from sin for salvation, to those eagerly waiting for Him.

Heb 9:28 οὕτως καὶ ὁ Χριστός, ἅπαξ προσενεχθεὶς εἰς τὸ πολλῶν ἀνενεγκεῖν ἁμαρτίας, ἐκ δευτέρου χωρὶς ἁμαρτίας ὀφθήσεται τοῖς αὐτὸν ἀπεκδεχομένοις εἰς σωτηρίαν.

Jesus Saved us from a dreadful wrath:

Rom_5:8-10 CAB But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having been justified now by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Rom 5:8-10 Greek συνίστησι δὲ τὴν ἑαυτοῦ ἀγάπην εἰς ἡμᾶς ὁ Θεὸς, ὅτι ἔτι ἁμαρτωλῶν ὄντων ἡμῶν Χριστὸς ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἀπέθανε. 9 πολλῷ οὖν μᾶλλον δικαιωθέντες νῦν ἐν τῷ αἵματι αὐτοῦ σωθησόμεθα δι᾿ αὐτοῦ ἀπὸ τῆς ὀργῆς. 10 εἰ γὰρ ἐχθροὶ ὄντες κατηλλάγημεν τῷ Θεῷ διὰ τοῦ θανάτου τοῦ υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ, πολλῷ μᾶλλον καταλλαγέντες σωθησόμεθα ἐν τῇ ζωῇ αὐτοῦ·

Rom_8:3-4 CAB For what was impossible for the law to do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and concerning sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Rom 8:3-4 Greek τὸ γὰρ ἀδύνατον τοῦ νόμου, ἐν ᾧ ἠσθένει διὰ τῆς σαρκός, ὁ Θεὸς τὸν ἑαυτοῦ υἱὸν πέμψας ἐν ὁμοιώματι σαρκὸς ἁμαρτίας καὶ περὶ ἁμαρτίας, κατέκρινε τὴν ἁμαρτίαν ἐν τῇ σαρκί, 4 ἵνα τὸ δικαίωμα τοῦ νόμου πληρωθῇ ἐν ἡμῖν τοῖς μὴ κατὰ σάρκα περιπατοῦσιν, ἀλλὰ κατὰ πνεῦμα·

Isa_52–53 > 1 or 2Pe_?:?

God Killed His Son As a Sacrifice, But Stopped Abraham Short of It

Some say that the idea that God killed His son is an unjust and terrible way to describe God. But this idea is actually explicitly unavoidable, and intentionally paralleled with the sacrifice Abraham was called to make:

Heb 11:17 CAB By faith Abraham, when he was tested, had offered up Isaac, and he that received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Heb 11:17 Πίστει προσενήνοχεν ᾿Αβραὰμ τὸν ᾿Ισαὰκ πειραζόμενος, καὶ τὸν μονογενῆ προσέφερεν ὁ τὰς ἐπαγγελίας ἀναδεξάμενος,

Heb 11:18 of whom it was spoken, "In Isaac your seed shall be called,"

Heb 11:18 πρὸς ὃν ἐλαλήθη ὅτι ἐν ᾿Ισαὰκ κληθήσεταί σοι σπέρμα,

Heb 11:19 considering that even from the dead, God was able to raise him up, from which he also received him in a figurative sense [parable].

Heb 11:19 λογισάμενος ὅτι καὶ ἐκ νεκρῶν ἐγείρειν δυνατὸς ὁ Θεός· ὅθεν αὐτὸν καὶ ἐν παραβολῇ ἐκομίσατο.

This was morally illegal for humans, which is exactly why God stopped Abraham short of it, but it was profoundly what the heavenly Father actually did.

"The word “propitiation” refers to a sacrifice that appeases God’s wrath by satisfying His justice. “To propitiate”, in Scripture, is to placate and appease the wrath of God on behalf of a guilty sinner who deserves to be punished, and in terms of the Gospel, it is to turn such wrath into divine favor. "

http://www.puregospeltruth.com/propitiation---satisfying-gods-righteous-wrath.html

8/29/15

Need Salvation from GOD, Not Just The Devil

Jos_22:31 WEB Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest said to the children of Reuben, to the children of Gad, and to the children of Manasseh, "Today we know that Yahweh is in the midst of us, because you have not committed this trespass against Yahweh. Now you have delivered the children of Israel out of the hand of Yahweh."

Jos_22:31 LB And Phinehas the priest said to the sons of Reuben, and to the sons of Gad, and to the half of the tribe of Manasseh, “Today we know that the Lord is with us, because you have not trespassed grievously against the Lord, and because you have delivered the children of Israel out of the hand of the Lord.”

Jos_22:31 καὶ εἶπεν Φινεες ὁ ἱερεὺς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ρουβην καὶ τοῖς υἱοῖς Γαδ καὶ τῷ ἡμίσει φυλῆς Μανασση Σήμερον ἐγνώκαμεν ὅτι μεθ᾿ ἡμῶν κύριος, διότι οὐκ ἐπλημμελήσατε ἐναντίον κυρίου πλημμέλειαν καὶ ὅτι ἐρρύσασθε τοὺς υἱοὺς Ισραηλ ἐκ χειρὸς κυρίου.

Mercy From the Good Robber

Give GOD a reason to Have mercy on you

11/25/01 (Sat); 3/4/17 (recompiled)

1. Desire or Effort:

RO 9:16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

Narrow door:

LK 13:24

"Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.

(Israelites sincere but no go)

ÞSad but applies to religious people

2. Our Response:

So it doesn’t depend on you, so what can you do?

(What does it depend on?) Got 2 have mercy:

Solomon’s prayer:

1KI 8:28 Yet give attention to your servant's prayer and his plea for mercy, O LORD my God.

(Ne 9:31, Dan 2:18)

What 2 put your hope/confidence in:

NE 13:22 Remember me for this also, O my God, and show mercy to me

according to your great love.

(Ps 51:1)

Because of your mercy:

DA 9:18 ...We do not make requests of you because we are righteous, but because of your great mercy. 19 O Lord, listen! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, hear and act! For your sake, O my God, do not delay, because your city and your people bear your Name."

Þ @ Robber’s Mercy:

Solomon’s Temple:

1KI 5: “...5 I intend, therefore, to build a temple for the Name of the LORD my God...”

Now Finished and dedicating it:

KI 8:10 When the priests withdrew from the Holy Place, the cloud filled the temple of the LORD. [11] And the priests could not perform their service because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled his temple.

Slave’s plea:

PS 123:2 As the eyes of slaves look to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a maid look to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to the LORD our God, till he shows us his mercy.

-Remember: ‘Not right 2 take kids bread and through 2 dogs.’

-Do everything in our power begging for His mercy

Believe He is and rewards:

HEB 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

-See that He’s good

-Pray a lot

He will Freely pardon

ISA 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way

and the evil man his thoughts.

Let him turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on him,

and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

(EPH 2:4 rich in mercy, & 1Pet 1:3)

Have mercy on me a sinner:

LK 18:13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, `God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Once you get it:

RO 12:1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual act of worship.

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Predestined Hatred

God hates some people, and has conditional Love

3/21/04 (original title: ‘BIBLICAL HERESY’); 3/4/17 (recompiled)

>> See: Lov: Righteous Hatred

God Abhorring Israel

(if don’t obey commands…)

Lev 26:30 KJVA …and my soul shall abhor you.

Conditional Love

Joh 10:17 WEB Therefore the Father loves ²⁵ me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.

Joh 14:23 WEB Jesus answered him, "If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him.

Think:

“The disciple who Jesus Loved…” (He had to specify it??)

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Playing Predestination

2/4/05 (original title: THE “PLAYING” GOD; +Word: Created); 2/23/17 (recompiled)

When a child plays, he asserts a level of reality that we call “fiction.” When God “plays” He asserts a level of reality that we call “real life.” [For the believer, one day this will be upgraded to what is called “incorruption,” when Jesus is revealed]. This is the same as when we create a work of art. It is a shadow of how God creates, and we see that He put that same likeness in us. What we do on a lesser level is a picture describing what God does on an ultimate level. We are creative, but God is the ultimate Creator.

So we see that when a child plays he creates a whole reality and designates characters, situations, boundaries, and themes to what he pretends, just as God does, even designating good and evil people. Just as the finest detail of a pretend story is of the one who pretends, so the finest detail of our life is from God. And when a person writes, not one letter is written except it come from the writer. “Not one jot or the least stroke of a pen” will be placed on a page unless the writer puts it there, and in the same way God puts the essence of every last detail, just as He wishes, in our life, and He is the originator of it all.

If we have children playing then this is the blessing of the Lord as He even says,

3 Thus says the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem… 4 …There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for abundance of age. 5 And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets of it. (Zec 8:3-5 KJVB).

So when we see children playing, we see the keys to open the secrets of the universe, in understanding the way God is. What a thing for God to hide in our mist, the things that describe His character and nature, labeled as a blessing, even as marriage is a blessing with a bigger purpose of showing us Christ.

Were we have a problem with this is when it comes to sin and evil. Does God cause or create evil? If you want a quick answer it is found in this scripture:

“I am the LORD… 7 I… create evil” (Isa 45:6-7 KJV).

But for context lets read more:

I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isa 45:5-7 KJV)

And after this He says,

Woe to him who strives with his Maker -- a potsherd among the potsherds of the earth! Shall the clay ask him who fashions it, "What are you making?" or your work, "He has no hands?" 10 Woe to him who says to a father, "What have you become the father of?" or to a woman, "With what do you travail?" (Isa 45:9-10 WEB).

How “coincidental”! The verse were God says that He creates evil is the very same thought which Paul quotes when he is talking about predestination! (I did not remember that this was the case until I looked it up).

Rom 9:18-21 WEB So then, he has mercy on whom he desires, and he hardens whom he desires. 19 You will say then to me, "Why does he still find fault? For who withstands his will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed ask him who formed it, "Why did you make me like this?" 21 Or hasn't the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel for honor, and another for dishonor?

So, (knowing that we are uncomfortable with this) we should ask, did God bring evil in Jobs life or did the devil? Who afflicted Job, God or Satan? The answer is “Yes.” And if you debate this, then you should read Job and find out for your self what God says about this.

Understanding Predestination

You should always remember this principal that when it comes to understanding predestination:

Except and believe it first, and then understand it later if necessary.

This is also the priority of the following readings. Once you have accepted and believed that the Bible is in fact, True, and so God is Sovereign (which means that He does what ever He wants with out the need to consult anyone) and predestins people, then it becomes helpful to understand what He means and how does it work together with other things that He says. A reaversed order is a perversion that tries to insist on understanding before excepting, and his is the post-modern philosophy and idolatry of today. We idolise our education and fleshly carnal understanding as tghough it were some thing valuable, and not only that, we say that it takes priority over and above God’s words. We are afraid that we will loose who we are and be brainwashed if we just believe something with out first understanding it. But this death to self that we are afraid of, is the very thing that we who follow Jesus are called to. We are not to be proud and value our life but loose it for Jesus’ sake, and this is doubtlessly “foolishness to those who are perishing.”

In following Jesus we nessisarily beliveve that God’s brain is bigger than ours and like a trusting Child we say “Yes Lord,” even when we don’t understand.

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Time and Chance

Tags: uck luck

10/25/16; 2/6/17; 2/21/17 (recompiled)

Ecc 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favor to men of skill; but time and chance happen to them all.

Ecc 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor yet bread to the wise, nor yet wealth to men of understanding, nor yet favor to men of knowledge; for time and chance will happen to them all.

Ecc 9:11 Ἐπέστρεψα καὶ εἶδον ὑπὸ τὸν ἥλιον ὅτι οὐ τοῖς κούφοις ὁ δρόμος καὶ οὐ τοῖς δυνατοῖς ὁ πόλεμος καί γε οὐ τοῖς σοφοῖς ἄρτος καί γε οὐ τοῖς συνετοῖς πλοῦτος καί γε οὐ τοῖς γινώσκουσιν χάρις, ὅτι καιρὸς καὶ ἀπάντημα συναντήσεται τοῖς πᾶσιν αὐτοῖς.

Ecc 9:12 For man also doesn't know his time. As the fish that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare, even so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falls suddenly on them.

Ecc 9:12 For surely man also knows not his time; as fish that are taken in an evil net, and as birds that are caught in a snare, even thus the sons of men are snared at an evil time, when it falls suddenly upon them.

Ecc 9:12 ὅτι καί γε οὐκ ἔγνω ὁ ἄνθρωπος τὸν καιρὸν αὐτοῦ· ὡς οἱ ἰχθύες οἱ θηρευόμενοι ἐν ἀμφιβλήστρῳ κακῷ καὶ ὡς ὄρνεα τὰ θηρευόμενα ἐν παγίδι, ὡς αὐτὰ παγιδεύονται οἱ υἱοὶ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου εἰς καιρὸν πονηρόν, ὅταν ἐπιπέσῃ ἐπ᾿ αὐτοὺς ἄφνω.

Good sameritan: it happened that certain people passed by

Ecc: "For surely man also knows not his time..."

Jesus: any time is good for you, but my time has not yet come

Simply leave time and chance to those not called to greatness

This was "Ecc 9:11" -- during 9/11, a woman raised her hands to god in prayer before jumping out of a window...

no head covering, no extreme Bible obedience. just a "personal relationship" with god.

She died the tradgety of vanity

vanity of vanities -- a person's faith is vain

>>Scrip:

Do you think they were wose sinners?

you also will perish in vanity

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12/28/16

Exo 21:13 WEB but not if it is unintentional [KJV: if a man lie not in wait], but God allows it to happen: then I will appoint you a place where he shall flee.

Exo 21:13 CAB But as for him that did it not willingly, but God delivered him into his hands, I will give you a place where the slayer may flee to.

Exo 21:13 ὁ δὲ οὐχ ἑκών, ἀλλὰ ὁ θεὸς παρέδωκεν εἰς τὰς χεῖρας αὐτοῦ, δώσω σοι τόπον, οὗ φεύξεται ἐκεῖ ὁ φονεύσας.

>>TSK

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Right-Handed Predestination and Left-Handed Severity

12/17/16

Exo_15:6 WEB Your right hand, Yahweh, is glorious in power. Your right hand, Yahweh, dashes the enemy in pieces.

Exo_15:6 CAB Your right hand, O God, has been glorified in strength; Your right hand, O God, has broken the enemies.

Exo_15:6 ἡ δεξιά σου, κύριε, δεδόξασται ἐν ἰσχύι· ἡ δεξιά σου χείρ, κύριε, ἔθραυσεν ἐχθρούς.

Exo_15:12 WEB You stretched out your right hand. The earth swallowed them.

Exo_15:12 CAB You stretched forth Your right hand, the earth swallowed them up.

Exo_15:12 ἐξέτεινας τὴν δεξιάν σου, κατέπιεν αὐτοὺς γῆ.

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12/10/16

Exo_7:16 -- why have YOU hardened your heart?

>> also look up all refs for "hard" in exo

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12/6/16

Exo 4:10 WEB Moses said to Yahweh, "Oh, Lord, I am not eloquent, neither before now, nor since you have spoken to your servant; for I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue."

Exo 4:10 CAB And Moses said to the Lord, I pray, Lord, I have not been sufficient in former times, neither from the time that You have begun to speak to Your servant: I am weak in speech, and slow-tongued.

Exo 4:10 εἶπεν δὲ Μωυσῆς πρὸς κύριον Δέομαι, κύριε, οὐχ ἱκανός εἰμι πρὸ τῆς ἐχθὲς οὐδὲ πρὸ τῆς τρίτης ἡμέρας οὐδὲ ἀφ᾿ οὗ ἤρξω λαλεῖν τῷ θεράποντί σου· ἰσχνόφωνος καὶ βραδύγλωσσος ἐγώ εἰμι.

Exo 4:11 Yahweh said to him, "Who made man's mouth? Or who makes one mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Isn't it I, Yahweh?

Exo 4:11 And the Lord said to Moses, Who has given a mouth to man, and who has made the very hard of hearing, and the deaf, the seeing and the blind? Have not I, God?

Exo 4:11 εἶπεν δὲ κύριος πρὸς Μωυσῆν Τίς ἔδωκεν στόμα ἀνθρώπῳ, καὶ τίς ἐποίησεν δύσκωφον καὶ κωφόν, βλέποντα καὶ τυφλόν; οὐκ ἐγὼ ὁ θεός;

Exo 4:12 Now therefore go, and I will be with your mouth, and teach you what you shall speak."

Exo 4:12 And now go, and I will open your mouth, and will instruct you in what you shall say.

Exo 4:12 καὶ νῦν πορεύου, καὶ ἐγὼ ἀνοίξω τὸ στόμα σου καὶ συμβιβάσω σε ὃ μέλλεις λαλῆσαι.

Exo_4:11 -- pvf -- God does this through the devil (as Jesus says about those afflicted like this, saying: they were bound by satan) but God still takes credit for this

The father afflicts through the devil, then Jesus heals by truth

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11/14/16

Zep_1:11 WEB Wail, you inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the people of Canaan are undone! All those who were loaded with silver are cut off.

Zep_1:11 CAB Lament, you that inhabit the city that has been broken down, for all the people have become like Canaan; and all that were exalted by silver have been utterly destroyed.

Zep_1:11 θρηνήσατε, οἱ κατοικοῦντες τὴν κατακεκομμένην, ὅτι ὡμοιώθη πᾶς ὁ λαὸς Χανααν, ἐξωλεθρεύθησαν πάντες οἱ ἐπηρμένοι ἀργυρίῳ.

Meaning: He won’t bring Evil -- it is obvious that “He won’t sin”

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11/14/16

Hab_2:13 WEB Behold, isn't it of Yahweh of Armies that the peoples labor for the fire, and the nations weary themselves for vanity?

Hab_2:13 CAB Are not these things of the Lord Almighty? Surely many people have been exhausted in the fire, and many nations have fainted.

Hab_2:13 οὐ ταῦτά ἐστιν παρὰ κυρίου παντοκράτορος; καὶ ἐξέλιπον λαοὶ ἱκανοὶ ἐν πυρί, καὶ ἔθνη πολλὰ ὠλιγοψύχησαν.

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3/21/16

Gen_18:19

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11/3/16

Jer_10:23 WEB Yahweh, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man who walks to direct his steps.

Jer_10:23 CAB I know, O Lord, that man's way is not his own; neither shall a man go, and direct his going.

Jer_10:23 οἶδα, κύριε, ὅτι οὐχὶ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἡ ὁδὸς αὐτοῦ, οὐδὲ ἀνὴρ πορεύσεται καὶ κατορθώσει πορείαν αὐτοῦ.

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8/25/16

The moral excellence of teaching predestination:

Church:

Amazing grace, even though we all sin

Vs.

Biblical predestination:

Favor that chooses even though I could not escape from past sins

Works, even when I cannot work

We need an orthodox emphasis/reference point as to where to direct our faith into the saving-from-sin-favor comes from.

A strong accomplished flesh ball can boast about the reforms of their own ‘discipline’, but it is useless and they are still in sin and Bible disobedience.

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God’s Purpose for the Wicked

8/9/16

To make people

To make tools -- See: Gen Summary in Work Ethic

To display His wrath and Power -- by hating them in Gehenna forever

Sinful From Birth

Sin Nature is Not Calvinism

7/11/16

In sin I was conceived

2Sa_12:14-15

Predestined Hatred of Eternal unforgiveness

7/5/16

Jer: don’t pray for this people

Rom_9: Jacob loved.. Esau hatted

Heb_6: & 12

Found no place for forgiveness

Amo_8:7 KJV+ The LORD^H3068 hath sworn^H7650 by the excellency^H1347 of Jacob,^H3290 Surely^H518 I will never^H5331 forget^H7911 any^H3605 of their works.^H4639

Amo_8:7 LB The Lord has sworn against the pride of Jacob, “None of your works shall ever be forgotten.”

Amo_8:7 ὀμνύει κύριος καθ᾿ ὑπερηφανίας Ιακωβ Εἰ ἐπιλησθήσεται εἰς νεῖκος πάντα τὰ ἔργα ὑμῶν.