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Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

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Song of Songs

Authorities and The Range of Their Potential Jurisdictions Over Modesty

 

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Table of Contents

Random Thoughts / Additions. 3

Chapter 1 – AdDressing Dressing. 10

Introduction. 10

The Right Attitude. 11

Things to Remember 11

The Old Paths. 11

Make Yourself Beautiful the Way the Women in the Past Did. 11

What Can we say to This?. 12

God is Trying to Cloth Us. 12

We do these things to be clothed spiritually. 13

Don’t walk naked in heaven. 13

Cooperate with Modesty! 13

Don’t Flaunt what is Shameful 13

Prophecy of Judgment 14

BIGGEST Disclaimer and Clarifier 14

Earthly Icons of Heavenly Realities. 15

Basic Principals. 15

Modesty Shame is Actually Good! 16

Points to Ponder 16

BIG Principals. 16

Principal Thoughts. 16

Women are Special 17

Other Thoughts. 18

The Minimum Dress Code. 20

REAL Definition. 20

Ignorant sin. 21

The Need For a Himation! 21

A Woman’s “Shape” is Still An Issue?. 21

Bosom Cape Dress / Chiton. 23

Exceptions. 24

Non-Co-ed Environments. 24

Privileged Family Members at The Crucifixion. 24

Mono-Gender Verification of the Resurrection. 24

Fishing – Peter in Boat with John & Others. 24

Pajamas?. 24

Circumcision. 25

Woman with Issue of Blood?. 25

Parents. 25

How Even Houses Have to Do with Modesty. 25

The Hebrew Letter “Beta” Demands Special Protection for Women’s Privacy over 16 Thousand times in the Torah! 26

Hhets. 26

Chapter 2 – Covering The Whole Body. 26

Feet Can Be A Major Safe Zone. 27

Thoroughly cover the entire leg. 27

Lower Leg and Feet 28

Lower Leg. 28

Long Robe References. 28

Long Robes Have Skirts -- Even for Men! 29

Gird up the loins. 29

Thighs. 29

Exo_28 - Breaches. 30

It used to be considered immodest to show the Things we Show.. 30

Loins. 31

Zippers on Pants?. 31

Talk About “Relative Modesty”???. 32

From Waist Area to Color-Bone. 33

Dress Code in Light of Swimming. 33

Chest 33

Non-Co-ed Love is the only The Appropriate Embrace of the Chest 33

Song of Solomon and the Chest 33

An Email About Shirts. 34

Shoulders. 36

Arms. 38

Arms – Gill on Deu_24:1. 40

Wrists. 40

Hands Can Be A Safe Zone. 40

Abraham and Lot Saw “Men” Who Grabbed the Hands of Him, His (Married) Wife, and His Virgin Daughters. 40

Sacrificial Clothing. 41

Holy Clothing. 41

Tunics –. 41

Navel, Belly Button & Loins. 42

Waist 42

Loins (specifically, literally and figuratively) 42

The Management of the Loins toward the Worship of God. 43

God expects uncovered Buttocks to be shameful to us. 43

Song of Songs – Categorical Breakdown of Song of Songs. 43

Unlawful Romance Shows Us Why We Should Be Trained to Increase in Modesty. 43

Unlawful Romance is as intoxicating as Lawful romance. 44

The Adulteress in Proverbs. 44

Chapter 3 – The Head Covering. 44

Head Clothing that Goes “Down” Often Implies a Face Veil 44

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The Code of the Assura, c. 1075 BCE. 46

Drinking and driving. 46

Face. 46

Lust 46

“Shamefacedness”. 47

A. Greek. 47

B. Cultural Significance. 47

Moral “Shamefacedness” for All People Before God?. 48

Head and Face. 48

But they Did Sometimes Hide Their Head When Ashamed. 48

Comparing Some Greek. 48

Times to Not Veil 48

Head Covering. 49

WARNING: The Head Covering is an Issue of Modesty! 49

Headship vs. Body. 50

The Veil in the Temple. 50

Talmud Agrees with the Veil 50

Rebekka & Tamar 50

Persecuted Writer A Resources. 51

The Use of Veils During Bible Times. 52

How “Shame” Shows that this is a Modesty Issue! 53

Shame and Perception. 54

Extra-Biblical info on “Shaming Down” People. 54

Removing the Head Covering [and clothes in general] Linked with “Shame”. 54

Covering Directly Brings Hidden-ness. 55

Male Head Covering? – To What Degree Could A Man Ever Morally “Cover” His Head?. 56

Did Something Change?. 57

Jewish Kippah / Yarmulke / "Dome". 57

Crown. 57

Men Did Not Use Head Coverings or Veils for Modesty! 58

Turbans and Other Clothing. 58

A Man Has Shame Coming Down His Head/Face When it is Covered. 59

Rejoicing. 59

Mourning. 59

Additional thoughts. 60

Random Nuggets – In Need of processing. 60

The Crime of Using Beauty Selfishly. 62

Partially Unanswered Questions. 62

Authorities and The Range of Their Potential Jurisdictions Over Modesty, Facial Modesty & Headcoverings. 63

Numbers 5 – A Priest Uncovers a Man’s Wife’s Head. 63

History of Susana. 64

Son_5:7 – They Took Away My Veil 64

Guards Took Off Jesus’ Clothes. 65

Male and Female Differences. 66

Examples When Devaluing is Not Involved, and therefore, Voluntary Stripping might Happen. 66

Women Driving. 66

Adam & the Priestly Dress Code. 79

 

Random Thoughts / Additions

 

There is no such thing as “The Christian Woman’s Head Covering”.  Head coverings always have and always will be an issue of HUMAN FEMALE MODESTY, no matter whether you are a Jew, Christian, Muslim, or even a real follower of Jesus. 

5/20/14

 

If Muslim women are willing to obey an unholy book and cover their head, what’s your excuse for disobeying the Bible? If you believe “your Bible” is better than their Koran, then why are they obeying their book and why are you disobeying yours?

5/20/14

 

 

Biblical women covered their head whenever leaving the home:

Although it was normal for woman to answer the door, as seen in Acts [>> TSK!]…

Sarah hid behind the tent wall when she was not prepared to be seen by strangers:

Paul

 

Paul very clearly commands women not to remove their headcovering when praying or prophesying:

 

 

Headcoverings are Biblical: 1Co_11:1-16. Removing a headcovering outside of the home is not Biblical. -- Unless of course, you are (1) a Jewish woman being tried for adultery: Num_5:11 (etc.), or, (2) a woman being punished by having her hair cut off for acting like a harlot: 1Co_11:5-6.

8/26/13; 5/17/14-5/18/14; 11/11/15

 

 

WARNING: A woman who willingly disobeys the Bible and uncovers her head in public, freely confesses to all that she is an adulteress (Num_5:11) and shows that she is unashamed to cause others to commit adultery with her (Mat_5:27-32). Warning, Warning, WARNING! Jezebel is here (Rev_2:20-23)!

WARNING: We are facing an absolutely astounding age of unbridled perversion where women willingly uncover their own head in Public. By doing this they openly confess that they are adulterers (Num_5:11) and that they are unashamed to force others to commit adultery with them.

5/18/14

 

 

(1) Num_5:11 shows us that all God-fearing women automatically put on a headcovering when going outside of the home. (2) Many, many years later Paul commands some former pagans in Corinth that they have to maintain that even during prayer (i.e. no uncovering heads in temples like female prostitutes did). (3) Many, many years later (today) feminism totally robbed the majority of all modern women of their headcoverings and caused them to walk naked-headed in public to their shame and ignorant dishonor

 

1Co_11:6 CAB  For if a woman is not covered [κατακαλύπτεται – having something coming down and hiding], let her also have her hair cut [this affects her even when not praying]. But if it is a shameful thing for a woman to have her hair cut [applies even when not praying], or to be shaved [applies even when not praying], let her be covered [applies even when not praying].

 

WAKE UP and finally realize what is actually being said in 1Co_11!

 

 

 

 

Dear woman, I plead with you: put your headcovering back on!

 

 

I warn you: “the emperor has no clothes!”

 

 

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4/22/14

 

H: Mr. Overseer, ive been meaning to mention something to you...our generation think they are so wise in thinking that when it gets hot they should wear less clothes to stay cool and so many people think it strange that I wear so much clothes in the summer. And it is also very common that people suffer from sun burn and even skin cancer these days even when they use sun block. And the answer doctors are giving nowadays is wear more clothes when you go outside dont depend on sun block. Ya, the ancient wisdom of God wins we should wear more clothes when we go out, even nature tells us that!

"The first and most effective way to screen excess UV rays from penetrating the skin is a physical barrier. This includes hats, long sleeve shirts, and other articles of clothing that physically shield your skin. Wide, floppy hats are one of the best ways to shield your face from excessive sunlight."

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Al: Wow, how exciting! Thanks for sharing =-)

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[*] : =)-K I like your statement H " the ancient wisdom of God wins" it made me smile

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hd: H: Wow, that is so practical, and Truth is soo exciting... and practicing justice even has ANSWERS for minimizing Skin cancer!! :+)

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1/17/14; 1/19/14; 1/31/14; 4/12/14

 

Could almost make a Track ou of this...

Bible: Assyrian Code, Num 5, Susanna, imitate!, Pet/Paul?: adorn as women of old/professing God-reverence, 1Co 11, Turtelliun

 

 

Jews Have A Clothing Parable to Play

"'On the day of the Lord's sacrifice I will punish the princes and the king's sons and all those clad in foreign clothes." (Zep_1:8)

 

Gen_12:11 <> 1Sa_17:42

 

Gen_23:1 - Sarah = 127 yrs

 

"Monumental evidence confirms the assertion of Scripture that a fair complexion was deemed a high recommendation in the age of the Pharaohs (ride Hengstenberg"s "Egypt and the Books of Moses," p. 200)."

 

Jdt_11:21-23 Brenton  There is not such a woman from one end of the earth to the other, both for beauty of face, and wisdom of words.  22  Likewise Holofernes said unto her. God hath done well to send thee before the people, that strength might be in our hands and destruction upon them that lightly regard my lord.  23  And now thou art both beautiful in thy countenance, and witty in thy words: surely if thou do as thou hast spoken thy God shall be my God, and thou shalt dwell in the house of king Nabuchodonosor, and shalt be renowned through the whole earth.

 

Judith_10:7

And when they saw her, that her countenance was altered, and her apparel was changed, they wondered at her beauty very greatly, and said unto her.

 

Judith_10:14

Now when the men heard her words, and beheld her countenance, they wondered greatly at her beauty, and said unto her,

 

Judith_10:19

And they wondered at her beauty, and admired the children of Israel because of her, and every one said to his neighbour, Who would despise this people, that have among them such women? surely it is not good that one man of them be left who being let go might deceive the whole earth.

 

Judith_10:23

And when Judith was come before him and his servants they all marvelled at the beauty of her countenance; and she fell down upon her face, and did reverence unto him: and his servants took her up.

 

Judith_11:21

There is not such a woman from one end of the earth to the other, both for beauty of face, and wisdom of words.

 

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Zion Road

January 26, 2013

In 1892, the personal agenda of an adolescent diarist read: "Resolved, not to talk about myself or feelings. To think before speaking. To work seriously. To be self restrained in conversation and actions. Not let my thoughts wander. To be dignified. Interest myself more in others."

Later in 1982 a girl's New Year's resolution: " I will try to make myself better in anyway I possibly can with the help of my budget and babysitting money. I will lose weight, get new lenses, already got a new haircut, good makeup, new clothes and accessories."

The traditional emphasis on "good works" as opposed to "good looks" meant that lives of young women in the 19th century had a very different orientation from those of girls today. Before World War 1, girls rarely mentioned their bodies in terms of strategies for self improvement or struggles of personal identity. Becoming a better person meant paying less attention to self, giving more assistance to others, and putting more effort into instructive reading or lessons at school. Many parents tried to limit their daughters interests in superficial things such as hairdos, dresses or the size of their waist, because character was considered more important than beauty, both by parents and the community. And character was built on attention to self control, service to others, and belief in God. When girls of the 19th century thought about ways to improve themselves, they almost always focused on their internal character and how it was reflected in outward behavior. In fact, girls who were preoccupied with their looks were likely to be accused of vanity or self-Indulgence.

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10/19/13; 11/18/13

 

>> !! Get/Study/incorporate all of Eze_16: & 32

 

Eze_16:57  נספןנןךבכץצטםבי פע ךבךבע ףןץ – being stripped naked

 

 

Eze_16:10

װסיקבנפש:

- NETS: hair-veil

- Google: lace

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פסיקןנפשףח: hair loss

 

פסיקב-: hair

-נפש: downward

 

 

 

 

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8/20/13

 

sir 8: good morphed

 

God Made Women Curvy

Hebrew "rib" [הצלעH6763 And the rib] means "as if curved"

as a stack of weat

Sir_8: turn your eyes from a good morphed woman

 

 

 

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are there less restrictions with women seeing men? Consider: non-related women not comming to the cross vs. women going to prepare Jesus' body. - where they going to do this carefully to not change what they did at the cross?

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BBS: BDC Lies about Muslem Women's face veil

7/14/13

 

"First, let's clear away some false problems. The specter of "Eurabia" is a no-show. Studies point to the decline of Muslim birthrates in ways that parallel other populations worldwide. Also, over the centuries Islamic jurists never agreed on the specifics of modest dress for women. Local cultures determined what women wore. The face covering is mostly a recent invention, and, in fact, a rarity, even if numbers seem to be growing. Some sources put the number of women wearing it in all of Europe at 2,000."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/november/16.58.html

7/14/13

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"France has by far the highest percentage of Muslims in Europe (8.3 percent, more than double the UK's figure), and its brand of extreme secularism (laןcitי) requires minorities to shed their cultural distinctives to conform to the majority. Perhaps it's no coincidence that in France the burqa ban, passed by Parliament on the eve of Bastille Day, was followed by threats to strip people of their citizenship for crimes like polygamy, female circumcision, and threatening a policeman, and the deportation of hundreds of Roma, or Gypsies. Issues of cultural and national identity are rolled up under the burqa heading."

 

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Muslims know how to obey 1Co_11, but "christians" only know how to make excuses to disobey it.

7/30/13

 

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- look up what "feet" the shunimite held onto with Elisha...

- it is immoral for women to shamelessly show off their forhead, but, it is not immoral for John to see a vission of such a perverted Harlot with a name written on her forhead. - it is always evil for the woman to show, but not necisarilly evil2

 

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find: 'see the *shame of your nakedness* - also: re-read Num5, and what word is used for the priests???

BDC:

to veil or not to veil – the extent of the head covering...

- Eli watcher er mouth!!!!

>> got to define: head covering, face veil, bonet, doily, etc.

 

BDC: remove "loins" to Purity Proclamation ??

 

Clothing Exceptions

 

Being born – Job: naked i came into the world, naked i will go out

 

Isa / Eze – prophesying in the house uncovered

Saul prophesying

 

Peter in the boat w John

 

A House is a Big Covering

when you go into a house, then there is no need for a head coveirng or himation

- "a house to cover shame"

- this is partly why women are to bussy at home (that way they do not always have to be entirely covered)

- a house calls for the minimum dress code that applies even to family.

 

 

1. the seriousness of the head covering

- mat5,

- Thess: keep the traditions, etc.

 

2. The Universality Of the Headcovering

- have the laodiceans read this letter,

- 1co1 with all those in every place...

- did the word of God originate w you?

- as in all the assemblies of the Holy Ones

 

 

Is the coverng about approaching God, or is it about modesty?

- we all with open face...

- neither male nor female...

- to God all thing are naked and bear

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How much Does a Himation Cover?

H8071

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Strongs #8071: AHLB#: 2489 (e1)

 

2489) Lmx% (Lmx% SML) ac: ? co: Image ab: ?: The form or shape of an image.

Nm) Lmx% (Lmx% S-ML) - Image: [freq. 5] |kjv: figure, image, idol| {str: 5566}

ef1) Elmix% (Elmix% SYM-LH) - Garment: As forming to the image of the body. [df: hlmV] [freq. 29] |kjv: raiment, clothes, garment, apparel, cloth, clothing| {str: 8071}

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WS:

"ִשְׂמָלה

sלimlāh: A feminine noun meaning clothing, a garment. It refers to a relatively large garment, either an external garment heavy enough to sleep in (Exo_22:27 [26]); or a blanket large enough to cover a person lying on a bed (Gen_9:23). A change of garments could indicate a new beginning or getting ready for travel (Gen_35:2). It refers to clothes in general (Gen_37:34; Deu_22:5)."

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LXX:

 

Deu_21:13  ךב נוסיוכוע פ לפיב פע בקלבכשףבע בפע נ᾿ בפע

 

 

 

 

shun the shame... worship of paganism is shame!

Jer_3:24

 

understanding shame:

need to go throughout these hebrew words and put it all together...

 

H1322

 

בֶּשׁת

bōšeṯ: A feminine noun denoting shame, humiliation, disgrace. The word depicts the feelings of guilt, disgrace, and embarrassment persons experience because of unfortunate acts or words committed (1Sa_20:30; 2Ch_32:21). Humiliation and disgrace was brought on God's people through the exile at the hands of Babylon (Ezr_9:7), but He could also bring shame on one's enemies (Job_8:22). Used with its related verb bפš, it could express deep shame (Isa_42:17); with the word face following, it could express a face of shame (2Ch_32:21; Ezr_9:7; Jer_7:19; Dan_9:7-8) meaning their "own shame." To be clothed with shame is a figurative expression of the psalmist (Psa_35:26; Psa_132:18). The phrase "shame of your youth" (Isa_54:4) refers to Israel's early indiscretions. The biblical authors would sometimes substitute this word for the word ba‛al in a person's name, emphasizing the shame of ever recognizing such a pagan god (2Sa_2:8; Jdg_6:32). In other places and ways, it replaces the word ba‛al that became so closely attached to the gods of Canaan (Jer_3:24; cf. Jer_11:13; Hos_9:10).

 

song about dressing modestly

https://soundcloud.com/chris_faulkner/please-cover-yourself?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=facebook

 

 

 

Chapter 1 – AdDressing Dressing

 

Modesty or Hell

Choose

Modesty Track Notes

11/14/19

 

 

Visual Prostitution – Dressing Immodestly Makes You A Prostitute

 

Repent of Prostitution!

 

Pro_7:1-27 – dangers of the strange woman

Pro_7:6-9 – Foolish youth who is doomed

Pro_7:10 – Clothing of a Prostitute

Pro_7:11-21 – flattery, kisses, and embraces

Pro_7:21-23 – She kills him like an animal

Pro_7:24-27 – Strong men taken down by her

 

Isa_3:16-26 – haughty and walk with outstretched necks, glancing wantonly with their eyes, mincing along as they go

mincing walk is a wanton walk

 

Eze_16:30 What a sick heart you have, says the Sovereign LORD, to do such things as these, acting like a shameless prostitute –

Refuse to be ashamed

 

Rev_16:

Rev_17:1 – 18:24

Rev_18:3 – all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality

 

1Pe_3:3-4 – the hidden person of the heart

1Sa_16:7 – God looks at heart

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lusts

1Pe_2:11 – abstain from lusts

 

Gal_5:13 – no free flesh indulgence

Gal_5:19 – aselgeia

 

1Jo_2:16-17 – lust of the flesh

Rom_13:14 – ESV …But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh…

 

Galatians 5:19-21 ESV Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality…

 

 

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1Ti_2:8-10 –

2Ti_2:22

 

1Co_8:9 – no stumbling block

 

Ordained Clothes

Gen 3:7, 21 – Adam and Eve covered themselves with fig leaves, it wasn’t enough. God gave them skins to cover them

The Hebrew words Moses used (kuttoneth labesh) means a covering to wrap around the body.

https://www.christistheway.com/a-prostitutes-clothing/

 

Exo_20:26 – And you shall not go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness be not exposed on it.’

 

Exodus 39:28 ESV And the turban of fine linen, and the caps of fine linen, and the linen undergarments of fine twined linen,

 

Ezekiel 44:18 ESV They shall have linen turbans on their heads, and linen undergarments around their waists. They shall not bind themselves with anything that causes sweat.

 

Dan_3:21 – ESV Then these men were bound in their cloaks, their tunics, their hats, and their other garments, and they were thrown into the burning fiery furnace.

 

 

Mat_5:28 –

 

Mar_7:21-23 – Heart-Generated Prostitution

Mat_15:

 

Isa_61:10 – clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness

 

Pro_31:30 – Charm is deceptive…

 

Pro_11:22 – “Like a gold ring in a pig’s snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.”

 

The Body

1Co_6:19-20 – body temple…flee prostitution

 

1Co_12:23 – bestow honor on private parts

 

Rom_12:1-2 – bodies a living and holy sacrifice…not conformed

 

1Co_6:13 – The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord

 

1Co_6:20  – For you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

 

1Co_7:4 – husband has exclusive authority over wife’s body

 

Romans 13:14-15 “Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.”

 

2Ki_9:30 ESV …Jezebel heard of it. And she painted her eyes

 

Jer_4:30 ESV And you, O desolate one, what do you mean that you dress in scarlet, that you adorn yourself with ornaments of gold, that you enlarge your eyes with paint? In vain you beautify yourself. Your lovers despise you; they seek your life.

 

Revelation 3:18 ESV …white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen

 

Galatians 5:16-17 “But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.”

https://biblereasons.com/modesty/

12/26/22

 

1Th_5:22 – Abstain from every form of evil.

 

Luke 17:1-2 ESV And he said to his disciples, “Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come!

 

Some historical reading:

https://thetransformedwife.com/acting-and-dressing-like-a-harlot/

 

anti-absolute-clothing Heretic

https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/5-things-bible-does-and-doesnt-say-about-modesty/

“The Bible doesn’t teach a dress code.”

https://412teens.org/qna/what-does-the-Bible-say-about-modesty.php

 

Sexual Murder

Ezekiel 16:38 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And I will judge you as women who commit adultery and shed blood are judged, and bring upon you the blood of wrath and jealousy.

 

Isa_47:2-3 – uncovered shame

 

 

Introduction

 

The Bible is extremely more practical than we’ve ever given it credit for, and one of the most needed teachings of all time, especially in corrupted cultures like perverted America, is a teaching about the Biblical Dress Code.  That the Bible would even address such a thing is almost foreign to the minds of those who have so loosely and whimsically treated the Bible for so many years. But here is the reality that lawless grace perverters have always feared and threatened off with charges of legalism. Here is the reality that the Bible actually gives us specifics on how to dress in a way that would please God in True Holiness!

 

God actually cares about us enough to not let us carelessly continue dressing how it seems best in our own culturally blinded eyes. Get ready to be redeemed from sensuality unto a life style of dressing modestly, protecting your fellow brothers and sisters from sin, and being freed up to live in the pleasing honor and greatness that God has called us too.

If you can believe this truth then it can change your life, right down to the way you dress.

 

The Right Attitude

 

Things to Remember

·   Pursuing Specific Modesty is better than licensing immorality in the name of not being legalistic*

·   God is trying to cloth us both physically for our present needs and spiritually for our eternal needs

·   God is very merciful toward our past ignorance when we are humble, but calls us to change once we become aware of His standards.

·   Cutting pieces of clothing away from the area that God has clothed is to cut away from the Biblical Dress Code.

·   God is not the God of the whims of our culture but of the clear lines and standards of His Word.

*Read these verses: Jud_1:4 (NO “licensing” evil); Mat_7:13-14 (God’s way is restricted)

 

Jer_6:16

[ Jer_6:16 ]

 

 

The Old Paths

 

Jer_6:16-19 WEB  Thus says Yahweh, [the Lord] Stand you in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way; and walk therein, and you shall find rest for your souls: but they said, We will not walk therein.  17  I set watchmen over you, saying, Listen to the sound of the trumpet; but they said, We will not listen.  18  Therefore hear, you nations, and know, congregation, what is among them.  19  Hear, earth: behold, I will bring evil on this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not listened to my words; and as for my law, they have rejected it.

 

[ 1Pe_3:3-6 ]

[ 1Pe_3:3-6 ]

Make Yourself Beautiful the Way the Women in the Past Did

1Pe_3:3-6 KJ2000  Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of braiding the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;  4  But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.  5  For after this manner in former times the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:  6  Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord [i.e. “Sir” or “master” (κυριον)]: whose daughters you are, as long as you do well, and are not afraid with any terror.

 

What Can we say to This?

In light of this Scripture: Forget all of the paranoias about “not violating people’s culture.” Instead let us radically over-though all of the unbiblical ways to re-establish a better way which is Biblical and superior to our culture.

 

God Wants to Clothe You

God is Trying to Cloth Us

·         You can be most comfortable not being fully covered when part of your heart wants people to lust after you.

·         What would happen to your dress if you truly prayed, “Lord, may no one be attracted to me today.”

·         To cover yourself means to pursue honor and to hate participating in lust.

·         Being modest physically reflects going after the honor of truth and righteousness that God has called us to Spiritually.

·         Consider all the times God said that He wants to cloth His people’s nakedness…

 

>> Scrip:

5/26/18

>> SOM: Wouldn’t He much rather clothe you, o u of meager faith

not that we desire to be unclothed, but to be clothed

 

2Co_5:2-4 WEB  For most assuredly in this we groan, longing to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven;  3  if so be that being clothed we will not be found naked.  4  For indeed we who are in this tent do groan, being burdened; not that we desire to be unclothed, but that we desire to be clothed, that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.

 

Rev_19:8-9 EMTV  And to her it was granted that she should be dressed in fine linen, bright and pure, for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.  9  Then he said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' "…

 

God commissions us to go and do the same to others physically, (which cloths us spiritually)…

 

The Good Samaritan

Luk_10:30-37 EMTV  …"A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and encountered bandits, who after having stripped him of his clothing and having wounded him, departed, leaving him half dead….  33  But a certain Samaritan, as he traveled … 34  And coming to him, he bandaged his wounds, …and took care of him.  37  …Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise."

 

Jas_2:14-17 KJVCNT  What does it profit, my brothers, though a man say he has faith, and have not works? can faith save him?  15  If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,  16  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are necessary to the body; what does it profit?  17  Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone.

 

Mat_25:34-36, 40 WEB  …'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom… 35  for I was… 36  naked, and you clothed me…

40 …'Most assuredly I tell you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

 

We do these things to be clothed spiritually

 

Don’t walk naked in heaven

Rev_3:17-19 WEB  Because you say, 'I am rich, and have gotten riches, and have need of nothing;' and don't know that you are the wretched one, miserable, poor, blind, and naked;  18  I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, that you may become rich; and white garments, that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes, that you may see.  19  As many as I love, I reprove and chasten. Be zealous therefore, and repent.

Rev_16:15 KJVCNT  Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

 

Cooperate with Modesty!

Immodestly is partial nakedness. Therefore, it is unimaginable when we are “naked” but get offended if someone dares try to “cloth” us and exhort us to modesty!  So our commission is to cloth and be clothed: first remove the “plank” then get the “speak” (Mat_7:1-5), and to do this, we have got to completely repent of and dismiss the “don’t judge me” mentality regarding cloths and modesty.

 

Don’t Flaunt what is Shameful

·         Throughout the Bible we are always admonished to flee shame and to pursue modesty.

·         We are not to flaunt what is supposed to be shameful: Hos_9:10

 

Exo_32:25-26 KJ2000  And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had let them be naked unto their shame among their enemies:)  26  Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me…

 

Isn’t it time for the Moses’ of our day to stand up and demand that we no longer flaunt the shame of our nakedness in the immodesty of our bodies?!

 

1Co_4:14 KJV  I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.

 

Eph_5:12 KJV  For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

-          Notice that he does not go on to make a joke about the shame, but shows us to avoid shame

 

Php_3:18-19 WEB  For many walk, of whom I told you often, and now tell you even weeping, as the enemies of the cross of Christ,  19  whose end is destruction, whose god is the belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who think about earthly things.

 

Jud_1:12-13 EMTV  These are stains in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves, they are waterless clouds being carried along by winds; late autumn trees unfruitful, twice having died, having been uprooted,  13  raging waves on the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars for whom the darkness of the netherworld has been reserved forever.

 

Remember Rev_3:17-19  and_16:15 above?

 

Rom_6:21 WEB  What fruit then did you have at that time in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.

 

One of the horrible taints of Lust is the shame and guilt it leaves. If shame is a curse of sin, then let us shun it instead of dressing in it by removing proper clothing!

 

Mat_6:30 KJ2000  Therefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

 

We are supposed to be believing God to provide clothing for us. How can we expect Him to provide the cloths we need when we are not being faithful with the cloths we already have? By neglecting to put them on and dress in modestly to cover our bodies we disrespect what God has already given us.

 

Prophecy of Judgment

Showing off nakedness is a sign God gave for the Judgment of shame:

Isa_3:17; Jer_13:22, Jer_13:26; Mic_1:11; Rev_3:18; 16:15; 17:16

 

We should only pursue the same if we are ready to inherit the same judgment.

 

BIGGEST Disclaimer and Clarifier

This teach addresses an infinitely wide range of cases, many of which are not immediately dealing with salvation as much as they are with refining the hidden an unknown imperfections so that we can pursue God with greater holiness and perfection.

Because many of these cases involve honest ignorance, it does not figure that God is angry with many who are incomplete in this area, but I patient and hopeful for our perfection.  God is only harsh to those who are not humble, but condemnation only rests on those who do not Love the Truth enough to change when God makes His will known.

I am sure that God uses all of us who obey Him in spite of the fact that there are MANY things beyond this teaching that we are blind to that we are in constant need of mercy for.

 

Jas_3:2 WEB  For in many things we all stumble…

 

Just because you have never heard this teaching before does not mean that you should become defensive and feel criticized.  I did not know it a lot of it either (in full) until I studied and found it out.

If you have been blind to this teaching, don’t be discouraged at how much you need to change, but be challenged and encouraged that you are being exposed to more of His divine standards rather than being left to your own concepts.

I hope that it would be of some affirmation to the reader that these standards are in many ways are beyond what I would have set.  Some of these aspects are “more modest” than what I would think is modest. Therefore I humbly give as well as receive a more perfect understanding of modesty that has been lost and forgotten from our culture, even among practically all of the church.

These standards are not here because they will fit your idea of what it means to be modest, but because all of us are naturally given to such profound blind that we need our understanding radically altered.

We are often found without a clue that we are tempting people and helping them sin because we are desensitized from the desires that others have. If we keep God’s dress code we can avoid most of this.

The main answers is to be humble and open to the standards that God has set in the past admitting that we are blind enough to have missed them, and in need enough to warrant change.  I hope you will always receive the admonition with this humility especially because if we say “we see” when we are blind thee “our sin remains!”

 

Earthly Icons of Heavenly Realities

 

Man is an icon of God

 

Woman is not an icon at all in this age, but she is the direct counter part of the assembly

(i.e. your life is hidden with anointed one…. when anointed one, who is our life appears, then you too will appear with him in Glory)

 

Swords are icons of real, spiritual swords

- angel in front of garden proves that heavenly swords predated our human swords

- Jesus has the truest sword that proceeds from His mouth

 

The Jewish Temple (lit. house) was an icon of the heavenly kingdom where God lives

>> still need to get Hebrews references for this…

 

Wis_9:8 Brenton  Thou hast commanded me to build a temple upon thy holy mount, and an altar in the city wherein thou dwellest, a resemblance of the holy tabernacle, which thou hast prepared from the beginning.

 

Clothing is an icon of Righteous

- get Revelation refs, and others (OT prophets, some Epistles – that we do not stand naked, etc.)

- Righteous is truly REAL clothing that covers our shame forever

 

Always remember: when Moses struck the rock, he did not get into the physical Promised Land, and you will never escape if you defile God’s images of holiness hear on earth either.

 

Basic Principals

 

Modesty Shame is Actually Good!

Have you have herd of someone being “shameless”? Even though we greatly think of shame as very bad, yet we do not really understand why it is even worse to be “shameless”. It is time to wake up and finally understand the virtue of good shame!

 

Sir_4:21 Br-Gr  For there is a shame that bringeth sin; and there is a shame which is glory and grace.

 

 

Points to Ponder

Culture does affect what is viewed as “appropriate” and even what is considered “modest.”

When we depend on our culture to tell us what is appropriate we find ourselves in conflict with God who is always holding a more conservative view. Why? Because people tend toward sin!

You can continue to choose to base your standards on your culture’s instable perceptions and compromises, or on the ever-lasting Words of the Living God!

 

BIG Principals

·         Don’t show them what you would NEVER want them to touch

·         Don’t entice people with the parts of your body that are (exclusively) intended for marriage!

 

Principal Thoughts

God made cloak of skin as the first (legitimate) clothing (Gen_3:21 & compare Luk_15:22)

Some of us are still trying to wear “skimpy scraps” instead of full clothing, which is not enough for God

God wants us to be fully clothed!

This indicates that such cloaks are all that are necessary for modesty in the home, and God Himself is not offended at this, (& this correlates with the attitude that was held during Bible times)

The insistence on having veils for women is a societal necessity when there is potential for lust – that is, in a coed context!

Perhaps Rachel was covered by a draped cloth especially to shade from the sun, (as middle Eastern camels often are) but she did not put on her veil until Isaac was near

Extra cloths are needed for going out in public

Covering is not so much needed when we are (“unaware”) children just as Adam and Eve where naked during their probationary period of simplicity. When brought to this state of awareness prematurely God “conceded” to give them the cloths that would have otherwise been provided later at the proper time of healthy enlightenment.

God’s goal has always been wisdom and understanding in the proper mode rather than the vanity of “independent” acquisition of knowledge which “puffs us up” in pride as satan said, “you will be as gods knowing…”

So also the Gnostics as well as many University professors appeal to the enticement of “falsely called knowledge” that is perused unsubmitted to the governing of righteousness.

Immediately I hope to reestablish the bare minimum and this alone would make the world a better and moral place as far as dressing is concerned.  As God has mercy on us to have righteous hearts then it is good to pursue full societal modesty.

 

These clothing ideas are not based on temporary shifting principals, but on eternal ones ordained by god Himself even before mankind knew what clothing was.

 

Psa_119:89 KJ2000 …Forever, O LORD, your word is settled in heaven.

 

Which is true even for clothing, since the priests clothing was based as an exact shadow of things going on in heaven designed before man fell:

 

Heb_8:4-5 KJVCNT  …there are priests [with their priestly clothing] that offer gifts according to the law:  5  Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, says he, that you make all things [including the priestly clothing] according to the pattern showed to you in the mount.

 

We should have reverence for this and fear what God has made and ordained as clothing, because it is an eternal standard that is establish in the heavens forever!

 

Remember:

Despite what God prescribes to the priests, He still sees all things. He Himself is not offended at the human body, but at our sinful inclination to pervert it having acquired our awareness of the shame of our sexuality prematurely from rebellious means.

God himself knows how we are inclined to perversion, and so to protect us from it He gives us proper clothing that will cover even the perversion we are not aware of:

Who can know his own heart…

There is a way that seems right.. death

Also compare: “we don’t know what we aught to pray for”

We don’t know what’s best for us!!!

 

Dressing immodestly shows an internal affinity toward that which is dishonorable and detestable toward God. Let us flee from that which is hated and rejected by God and seek honor from Him:

Those who seek honor immortality and life…

Pharisees Love praise from men rather than Loving praise from God…

Jesus looked to the reward…

Don’t deny godly ambitions in the name of being “humble.”  Be humble in regards to the flesh but be courageous in Jesus who has called us to greatness.

Pursuing that which is shameful incurs the wrath of God

Foaming out of their own shame…

It is shameful to even mention what they do… (so why is it that we so lightly make jokes about shameful things and play up the sinfulness that God so hates????)

Cry out for wisdom….. to that you will not inherit shame

 

 

 

Women are Special

It should be noted that the Biblical attitude is acknowledge that facial beauty is more of a defining (and tempting) feature in a woman than a man. For some reason God has particularly endowed beauty to the face of women in a way unique to them that is not so with men.

Many men have stumbled at beauty

Because God has entrusted a special gift of representing beauty in a woman’s face it also comes with greater responsibility to manage that gift in a way that is honorable…

So what is the application of all of this concerning the face?

 

It represents the church:

The king desires your beauty…Forget your people…

This image entrusted to women ought to be taken seriously especially since it reflects the way God feels attracted to His people and loves to beautify them as his bride. This means that tainting this image and representation on earth is a hatful crime because it distorts part of the picture of the very LOVE of GOD Himself!

For this very reason women are particularly admonished to keep holy that which God has entrusted to them for purity.

 

So why is it?

·         Guys usually sweat more than girls (they usually like it cooler)

·         Guys are much more visually tempted than girls (yet…)

·         Girls typically where skimpier clothing than guys

·         Guys (usually) have more going on for a shirt than girls in younger culture, when girls should be all the more modest in this area because of temptation!

·         This tenancy toward skimpiness even holds true in the church!

 

 

Other Thoughts

 

 

Different Lusts

It is one thing if people choose to lust, it’s another in another thing if they are overtaken by unsympathetic seduction.

Some people are overcome and lust unwillingly and are less guilty than those who willingly dress in a way to cause it.

The way you dress does not always stop those who choose to lust, but it does always mess up people who lust unwillingly!  Dress might not alter those who sin willfully, but it will weaken those who sin unwillfully.

Carless dress consistently causes those who are week (and often those who are strong) to stubble into sin against their intentions.

You could make any touch lustful but there are some areas you could not make clean!

Don’t show the world what is reserved for a spouse!

 

Don’t Cling

God’s priests wore layers of clothing that did not “show off their figure.” And why would they? Clothing is to COVER not to “show off” one’s body.

If “guys are very aware of your body” as Pastor Mike says then don’t show or “hint” it to them.

Women throughout the ages have been more covered in morally sensitive cultures than men in recognition of the greater potential for lust.

Principal:

In all the ways that women have skimpier clothing than men, this is a direction of departure from morality to lust. Without the drive of lust, women would were at least as much or more clothing than men.

Remember: I’m not assuming that these things are done consciously as “willful sin” is done, but I’m bringing them to the light for us to deal with.

With the Biblical Dress Code, the idea is not to make your cloths “cling” or conform to your body, but to COVER your body. The priest had many layers of clothing, we should too if we aspire to be those who belong to Jesus who have been made “kings and priests.”

 

 

Don’t be under the law

For the New Covenant, being under the law means insulting God by trying to do just the minimum requirements of what He has specifically for bidden.  Living in the New Covenant means having a heart purified inside that goes beyond the specific external requirements and not even wanting to go the direction of immorality, much less push it to its limits!

So how far is too far? Under the New Covenant the instant you go the wrong direction you’ve gone too far in trespassing God’s purity standard that begins in the heart.  Once you’ve got the heart part you’ve kept the fulfilled law by stopping from the need to sin or go in its direction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Remember that those who sin are condemned, but those who bring in the cause of sin are condemned even greater! Woe to someone who is tripped up in lust, but woe even more to the one who has not prepared themselves and has caused their brother or sister to fall!

 

 

Search for:

Makeup

“Cloaks”

 

God has set priests to be merciful to sins committed in ignorance

Don’t only dress to your own safety standards, but dress in a way that could be righteously imitated by all who are watching you as an example.

Be example to believers…

Come together to stir one another up to love and good works…

Don’t “embolden” another’s conscience to do wrong

None of us lives to himself nor dies to himself (‘no one is an island’)

 

The Minimum Dress Code

How to Dress around Family

 

At least in most cases when possible, it is not even good for family to see too much of family in this way:

Noah

Lev_18

God made them [both] cloaks of skin

 

Lev_18:6 CAB  No man shall draw near to any of his near kindred to uncover their nakedness; I am the Lord.

 

REAL Definition

In the Bible, naked does not always mean “fully unclothed,” but it often refers to not having the whole body covered.  To God, being “naked” means coming short of the Biblical Dress Code.  In the cold it can refer to more than the biblical dress code (see Jas_2:15-16, quoted previously, and 2Co_11:27 quoted below).

 

Mat_25:35-36 WEB  35  for I was… 36  naked, and you clothed me…

 

Act_19:16 KJV  And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

 

1Co_4:11 KJV  Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;

 

2Co_11:23-27 KJV  Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more…  27  …in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

 

It is safe to say the Apostles had some kind of cloths, but often not enough to cloth them fully as they would desire for dignity sake.  These rags being incomplete clothing make the apostles unwillingly “naked.”

 

2Co_6:4, 10 KJV  But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God…  10  …as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

 

Joh_21:7-9 WEB  …Peter heard that it was the Lord, he wrapped his coat around him (for he was naked),

 

Rom_8:35 KJV  Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

 

Jas_2:15-16 KJVCNT  15  If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,  16  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are necessary to the body; what does it profit?

 

 

Others Include:

Possibly Mar_14:51-52 (above)

 

 

--- Look up “nakedness” in OT

 

Ignorant sin

Ignorant sin is certainly a reality, so let us eagerly cry out for knowledge to be found unblamable before Him having forsaken willful ignorance.

Whether or not you are aware of God’s standards, they will remain true and eternal having been established in the Heavens. Please don’t get mad at me because I did not make this up. I am doing you great good by seeking to not let you continue unaware of God’s forgotten standards.

 

Read Pro_2

 

 

The Need For a Himation!

There are so many countless references for this, and as I may find them I am looking forward to adding them here…

 

Exo_22:25-27 CAB  And if you should lend money to your poor brother who is among you, you shall not be hard upon him — you shall not charge interest from him.  26  And if you take your neighbor's garment [ἱμάτιον] for a pledge, you shall restore it to him before sunset.  27  For this is his clothing [περιβόλαιον – this is the thing he throws around him], this is the only *covering of his nakedness [* ἱμάτιον ἀσχημοσύνης – “nakedness” is fig.; himation (‘cloak’) to properly “arrange” over the frame of his body so as not to display its shame – it is counted as a “disarrangement” (ἀσχημοσύνης) to show the frame of the body when laying down in public (since he has no house or private room to sleep in)]; how shall he sleep? If then he shall cry to Me, I will hearken to him, for I am merciful.

 

A Woman’s “Shape” is Still An Issue?

Sir_9:8 Brenton  Turn away [ἀπόστρεψον] thine eye from a beautiful [εὐμόρφου – good-morphed/good-shaped] woman, and *look not upon [* μὴ καταμάνθανεdo not (thoroughly) learn down; i.e. study the qualities of…] another's beauty [κάλλος ἀλλότριον – i.e. goodness/good looks/beauty that belongs to someone else]; for many have been deceived [ἐπλανήθησαν] by the beauty of a woman [κάλλει γυναικὸς]; for herewith [καὶ ἐκ τούτου – and out of this] *[warm affectionate] love [φιλία] is kindled as a fire [* φιλία ὡς πῦρ ἀνακαίεται].

Sir_9:8 Greek  ἀπόστρεψον ὀφθαλμὸν ἀπὸ γυναικὸς εὐμόρφου καὶ μὴ καταμάνθανε κάλλος ἀλλότριον· ἐν κάλλει γυναικὸς πολλοὶ ἐπλανήθησαν, καὶ ἐκ τούτου φιλία ὡς πῦρ ἀνακαίεται.

 

Is this a woman in Biblical dress code?  Or is this an immoral woman showing off more than she should, making her shape an issue?

 

The purpose of feminine modesty makes it to where men do not have to lust.

Consider: If a woman is avoiding than prostitution of her own body, men will not always have to quickly look away to avoid defiling her sexuality.  If a man hast a dart his eyes away from a woman as she walks along, she is prosecuting and cheapening herself.  A man only “has to” look away when a woman shows her fornication in his face.

 

Lingering Questions

Because of these general principles, I wonder what kind of a scene this passage has in mind.  Is she so WELL SHAPED that absolute modesty still makes her an issue?  Can she ever going public then, if her sexuality is exposed even under sufficient clothing?

Another possibility: is this talking exclusively about the body, or could this possibly be talking about the face and or eyes?  Could this be why Brenton represents this as “beautiful”?

 

In seeking to answer some of these questions, I found/looked up a two related references.

 

Wis_7:10 Brenton  I loved her above health and beauty, and chose to have her instead of light: for the light that cometh from her never goeth out.

Wis_7:10 Greek  ὑπὲρ ὑγίειαν καὶ εὐμορφίαν ἠγάπησα αὐτὴν καὶ προειλόμην αὐτὴν ἀντὶ φωτὸς ἔχειν, ὅτι ἀκοίμητον τὸ ἐκ ταύτης φέγγος.

 

But the most helpful Greek passage was probably from fourth Maccabees…

 

4Ma_8:2-4 Brenton  The tyrant [τυράννου] having given this charge [διαταξαμένου], seven brethren were brought into his presence, along with their aged mother, handsome [καλοί – good (looking) – SAME AS Sir_9:8; (Used for both men and women in Greek.)], and modest [αἰδήμονες – lit. those who are not perceived; i.e. having the character of avoiding perception], and well-born [γενναῖοι], and *altogether [favorably] comely [* παντὶ χαρίεντες].  3  Whom, when the tyrant beheld [ἰδὼν], encircling their mother as in a dance [καθάπερ ἐν χορῷ