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Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

[2003-2004 (Thighs & Breaches, seen below)]; 8/18/2007; 11/17/07; 8/25/09, 11/10/09; 12/14/09; 3/19/10; 8/18/10; 1/22/11; 2/16/11; 3/12/11; 4/19/11; 6/15/11; 8/15/11; 10/10/11; 11/1/11; 12/1/11; 12/9/11; 12/11/11; 12/15/11; 12/19/11; (1/18/12); 1/19/12; 4/13/12; 5/29/12; 6/10/12; 8/6/12; 8/10/12; 8/18/12-8/19/12; 9/10/12; 9/20/12; 11/4/12; 12/9/12; 12/27/12; 1/7/13; 1/13/13; 1/30/13; 4/5/13; 4/8/13 (Loins – see S Email) 5/2/13-5/3/13; 5/6/13 (S); 6/12/13; 8/12/13-8/13/13; 8/21/13 (more on Himation); 9/29/13 (Lions); 5/17/14-5/18/14; 7/29/14; 11/14/14 (κιδαρ); 11/21/14; other dates; 2/20/15 (Male headcovering); 11/2/15; (1/29/16); …4/1/21; 3/22/24 (1Co_11 Sum & RTA)

 

The Biblical Dress Code is about choosing visual purity form the heart with Bible-obedient clothing and modesty that avoids all visual prostitution-harlotry-fornication and adultery of women’s and men’s bodies, eyes, and hearts.

 

Only the clean in the heart see God (Mat_5:8), which includes visual chastity! (Mat_5:27-30 (2Pe_2:14); Mat_15:19/Mar_7:21 (Pro_4:23); Pro_6:25; Pro_27:20; Isa_3:16; Job_31:1)

 

 

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Widows Showcase Self-Denial

·         Rules for Widows  -- In General

Undistracted Self-Denial

Selfish Beauty Crimes

Makeup = Hell

Prostitutions of Selfish Beauty

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Beauty Holified

Beautiful People

ThePurposeofBeauty

Beauty for Husband

 

Headcovering

1Co_11 Summary

1Co_11 Translation (RTA)

Veil Preview

Foreheads

Women’s Forehead

>> Additions/ TODO!

Song of Songs

Authorities and The Range of Their Potential Jurisdictions Over Modesty

 

The Body Covered

 

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Table of Contents

Josiahs Scott 1

Random Thoughts / Additions. 7

https://soundcloud.com/chris_faulkner/please-cover-yourself?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=facebook.. 13

AdDressing Dressing. 13

Modesty or Hell 14

Visual Prostitution – Dressing Immodestly Makes You A Prostitute. 14

https://biblereasons.com/modesty/ 16

https://412teens.org/qna/what-does-the-Bible-say-about-modesty.php. 16

Introduction. 17

The Right Attitude. 17

Things to Remember 17

The Old Paths. 17

Make Yourself Beautiful the Way the Women in the Past Did. 18

What Can we say to This?. 18

God Wants to Clothe You. 18

We do these things to be clothed spiritually. 19

Don’t walk naked in heaven. 19

Cooperate with Modesty! 19

Don’t Flaunt what is Shameful 19

Prophecy of Judgment 20

BIGGEST Disclaimer and Clarifier 20

Earthly Icons of Heavenly Realities. 21

Basic Principals. 22

Modesty Shame is Actually Good! 22

Points to Ponder 22

BIG Principals. 22

Principal Thoughts. 22

Women are Special 24

Other Thoughts. 24

The Minimum Dress Code. 26

REAL Definition. 26

Ignorant sin. 27

Beauty Holified. 27

Beautiful People. 27

Patriarchs of Beauty. 27

Beauty for Marriage. 28

Deutero-Canonnical Beauty. 28

Kings & Beauty for Marriage. 28

Children & Youths. 28

NT Beauty. 29

Summaries of Beautiful People. 29

Moral Beauty. 29

Wife’s Notes: Beautiful People. 30

Thorny Beauty Separates. 32

The Purpose of Beauty. 33

Selfless Beauty. 33

Mirrors in the Bible. 33

Wife’s Mirror Thoughts. 34

Essential Virtue. 36

Beauty’s Purpose, Not Beauty’s Amount 36

Beauty for Husband. 37

Previews: Hidden from Prostitution; Preserved for Marriage. 37

Beauty for Marriage, NOT Prostitution! 39

Modesty Exists! 39

Modesty Includes Hair & Face. 40

Sexual Sins of Nakedness. 40

A House to Cover Shame -- Defines Beauty’s Purpose. 40

From Family to Husband. 41

Guarding the Garden for an Ultimate Guardian. 42

Body is ‘for’ the Lord. 42

Women is ‘for’ Man. 43

Covenant Makes all the Difference…... 44

Lord Husband: Owns Woman -- Genesis, Psalms, & Peter 44

The Marital Debt -- of Beauty. 45

For Husband Alone! 46

Crown or Curse?. 47

Selfish Beauty Crimes. 49

No Prostituting Beauty (Reminders) 49

Immodesty = Prostitution / Harlotry / Fornication & Adultery. 49

Ecc_12 Judgment: Every Work Into Judgment 51

1Ti_2 & 1Pe_3: No Beauty-Elaboration Outside of Marriage. 51

Esther: Beauty-Elaboration is Only for Marriage. 52

Son_1: Self-Beauty-Elaboration is Only for MARRIAGE! 54

Unmarried DOESN’T Care for Things of this World! 55

Self-Liking = Lustful End-Times Rebellion. 57

Righteous-Finances.htm#FeminineLuxury. 58

Makeup of Doom! 58

Preview.. 58

Makeup Summary. 58

Enoch. 59

What's Wrong with Makeup?. 59

The Bible Forbids Makeup?. 59

Jezebel’s Makeup of Doom.. 61

Saved from Makeup. 63

Prostitutions of Selfish Beauty. 63

Eze_23: Israel Prostitutes Her Beauty! 63

Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28 – Selfish Angelic Beauty. 64

Eze_16: Israel Trusts in Her Beauty! -- As Human Prostitution. 66

The Devil & Women Struggle with Beauty Pride. 68

Auto-Lust of the Male Brain. 68

Head Covering. 70

Lies Against Headcoverings. 70

Moral Prerequisites for Reading 1st Corinthians 11. 70

Prostitution = Headcovering Context 72

Idol’s Temple = Headcovering Context 73

1Co_10 Prostitution & Idol’s Temple = Preceding Context to Headcovering. 73

Vocab for Headcovering. 75

Noun Adjective Verb. 75

Headcovering Defined. 75

Repeated Words. 76

1Co_11 Summary. 76

g. 76

v. 1. 76

v. 2 -- Traditions. 78

v. 3 -- Headship. 79

v. 4 – Man Head Shame. 81

v. 5 – Woman Head Shame. 84

“Haircut” Irony of Headcoverings & Other Scriptures. 87

v. 6 – Haircut vs Headcoveirng. 89

Can a Haircut Replace a Headcovering?. 91

Hair Trimming for Women?. 92

v. 7. 93

v. 8. 94

v. 9. 95

v. 10. 95

v. 11. 95

v. 12. 96

v. 13. 96

v. 14. 97

v. 15. 98

v. 16. 98

V 17 & 18. 99

V 19. 99

20. 99

1 Corinthians_11:12 all things are out of the God. 99

Church People Can’t Judge Headcoverings. 100

1Co_11 Translation (RTA) 102

1Co_11 Summary. 102

Culture Didn’t Create the Head Covering. 103

Jeremiah Stephen. 105

No Headcovering, No Heaven. 106

Headcovering from the Heart! 108

The Hair is NOT the Covering! 109

Disobedience Strategies Against Headcoverings. 109

Obey All, Including Headcoverings. 110

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series. 110

"Because" of Prayer or Purity???. 110

Long Dress, Hiddenness, And No Braided Hair 111

The Veil in the Temple. 111

“Down” Often Implies a Veil -- So Also Downing Head Clothing Can “Veil” the Face. 111

Spit is Not Inherently Immodest 112

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The Code of the Assura, c. 1075 BCE. 113

Drinking and Driving. 113

Face. 113

Lust 113

“Shamefacedness”. 114

A. Greek. 114

B. Cultural Significance. 114

Moral “Shamefacedness” for All People Before God?. 115

Earrings?. 115

Headcovering & Veil Preview.. 115

Veil Preview.. 115

Headcovering Preview.. 116

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/quote-all-of-the-bible-verses-HgqW0453TZ6H0SsbVOL91g. 116

https://chatgpt.com/c/67f9c3fe-4e4c-800f-bdfd-a501d03e42b1. 116

https://chatgpt.com/share/67f1f404-55f8-800f-af8b-5ef567691d36. 116

Harvesting Tools for Modesty? - Difference Between men and Women. 117

Foreheads -- Overview & Preview.. 117

·        Hebrew & Greek Foreheads. 117

·        Men’s Foreheads. 117

·        Marked Foreheads. 117

·        Women’s Foreheads. 117

Hebrew & Greek Foreheads. 117

Hebrew Forehead. 117

Greek Forehead. 118

Men’s Foreheads. 118

MT: Hard Foreheads -- Sinful Male Foreheads. 118

Brass Foreheads – of Sinful Males. 119

Judged Foreheads. 119

Summary: Men’s Sinful Foreheads Are Called…... 120

Marked Foreheads. 121

Marking Soldiers & Slaves. 121

Holy Golden Forehead. 121

Passover 122

Shema & Commands on Foreheads. 122

Mourners Marked -- Against Jerusalem’s Abominations. 123

Name. 124

Sealing God’s Servants Upon Foreheads. 124

Seal of God Upon Foreheads. 125

Mark of the Beast 125

Tormented for the Mark of the Beast 125

Mother of Harlots -- Written upon Forehead. 127

Resurrected & Reigning -- Without Beast’s Mark! 128

God’s Name upon Foreheads -- into Eternity! 129

Women’s Foreheads. 129

Shameless Prostitute's Forehead. 129

Other 130

Hair & Haircuts. 130

Baldness is Clean -- for a Man. 130

Baldness Despised by Flesh Perverts. 131

Corners or Foreheads Cut 131

Head and Face. 131

But they Did Sometimes Hide Their Head When Ashamed. 131

Comparing Some Greek. 131

Times to Not Veil 131

Eli Saw Hanna’s Mouth Move. 132

Mouth Veil – Thirsty Silent-ness. 132

Sarah Hiding Behind The Tent Wall 132

WARNING: The Head Covering is an Issue of Modesty! 133

Headship vs. Body. 134

Talmud Agrees with the Veil 134

Rebekka & Tamar 134

Tamar, Susana, Isea, Tertullian. 134

NETS. 135

Rebekah, Susanna, & Maccabean Brides -- History Agrees with the Bible. 135

Muslim & Talmud Agree About Headcoverings. 136

Anointing with a Head Covering?. 137

“Shame” Shows that Headcoverings are a Modesty Issue! 139

Shame ≈ Dishonor/Devalue. 139

Shame ≈ Disfigure. 140

https://www.theoi.com/Text/HomerIliad18.html 140

http://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/homer/iliad24.htm.. 140

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0134%3Abook%3D24. 140

Schema. 140

Shame and Perception. 141

Covering Shame = Sexual 142

Shame of Seeing People Uncovered -- Without Clothing. 142

The Shame of “Messed up Hair”. 143

http://www.mythfolklore.net/aesopica/perry/146.htm.. 144

http://www.mythfolklore.net/aesopica/babrius/82.htm.. 144

http://users.uoa.gr/~nektar/history/tributes/aesop%27s_fables/babrius.htm.. 144

Extra-Biblical info on “Shaming Down” People. 144

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:abo:tlg,0540,001:49&lang=original 144

Ezekiel -- Removing the Head Covering [and clothes in general] Linked with “Shame”. 144

Leviticus 18 & 20. 144

Sirach -- Unhiding Secrets. 146

Authorities and The Range of Their Potential Jurisdictions Over Modesty, Facial Modesty & Headcoverings. 146

Numbers 5 – A Priest Uncovers a Man’s Wife’s Head. 146

History of Susana. 147

Son_5:7 – They Took Away My Veil 147

Guards Took Off Jesus’ Clothes. 149

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mocking_of_Jesus. 149

Male and Female Differences. 149

Examples When Devaluing is Not Involved, and therefore, Voluntary Stripping might Happen. 149

Women Driving. 149

Lies about Muslem Women's face veil 151

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/november/16.58.html 151

Is the covering about approaching God, or is it about modesty?. 151

The Body Covered. 152

The Need For a Himation! 152

A Woman’s “Shape” is Still An Issue?. 152

Bosom Cape Dress / Chiton. 153

Exceptions. 154

Private Uncoveredness. 155

Non-Co-ed Environments. 155

Privileged Family Members at The Crucifixion. 155

Mono-Gender Verification of the Resurrection. 155

Fishing – Peter in Boat with John & Others. 155

Pajamas?. 155

Circumcision. 155

Woman with Issue of Blood?. 156

Parents. 156

How Even Houses Have to Do with Modesty. 156

The Hebrew Letter “Beta” Demands Special Protection for Women’s Privacy over 16 Thousand times in the Torah! 156

Hhets. 157

Feet Can Be A Major Safe Zone. 157

Feet Covering. 157

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Thoroughly cover the entire leg. 159

Lower Leg and Feet 159

Male skirts?. 159

Lower Leg. 160

Long Robe References. 160

Long Robes Have Skirts -- Even for Men! 160

Gird up the loins. 161

Thighs. 161

Exo_28 - Breaches. 161

It used to be considered immodest to show the Things we Show.. 162

Loins. 162

http://www.gohnbrothers.com/broadfall-pants.html 163

Zippers on Pants?. 163

http://www.ansun.com/history.html 164

http://www.zippersource.com/parts/definitions.asp. 164

http://www.thomasnet.com/articles/hardware/zipper-history. 164

Talk About “Relative Modesty”???. 164

Thighs & Breaches. 165

To what part of the “thigh” is modesty? –Good question. 165

Cloths that Cover! 165

From Waist Area to Color-Bone. 165

Dress Code in Light of Swimming. 165

Shirts Are Required -- Short Pants Are Not Enough. 166

Chest 166

Non-Co-ed Love is the only Appropriate Embrace of the Chest 166

Chests -- in the Song of Solomon. 166

An Email About Shirts. 167

Shoulders. 169

Arms. 171

Arms – Gill on Deu_24:1. 172

arm.. 172

Wrists. 173

Hands Can Be A Safe Zone. 173

Abraham and Lot Saw “Men” Who Grabbed the Hands of Him, His (Married) Wife, and His Virgin Daughters. 173

Sacrificial Clothing. 173

Holy Clothing. 174

Tunics –. 174

Navel, Belly Button & Loins. 175

Waist 175

Loins (specifically, literally and figuratively) 175

The Management of the Loins toward the Worship of God. 175

God expects uncovered Buttocks to be shameful to us. 176

Long Dress –. 176

Stola and Beyond. 176

https://www.quora.com/What-did-unmarried-women-wear-during-the-Roman-Republic. 176

http://library.schreiner.edu/c.php?g=300183&p=2288255. 176

Should Women Be Allowed To Wear Pants. 177

Song of Songs – Categorical Breakdown of Song of Songs. 177

Unlawful Romance Shows Us Why We Should Be Trained to Increase in Modesty. 177

Unlawful Romance is as intoxicating as Lawful romance. 177

The Immoral Woman in Proverbs. 178

Proverbs 5&6. 178

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Clothes Needed Inside and Outside. 184

Revelation 3 – You are Wretched! 194

Adam & the Priestly Dress Code. 197

Male Headcovering?. 198

Preview.. 198

Hebrew.. 199

Lev_13: 199

Did Something Change?. 200

Jewish Kippah / Yarmulke / "Dome". 200

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kippah. 200

Crown. 200

Men Did Not Use Head Coverings or Veils for Modesty! 201

Turbans and Other Clothing. 201

Men Should NOT Cover Their Head -- Unless it’s Time to Be Ashamed. 202

Mourning. 203

Rejoicing. 203

Same Gender Boundaries?. 203

How Much Should Doctors See?. 204

Additional thoughts. 204

Random Nuggets – In Need of processing. 204

https://www.facebook.com/notes/my-beauty-is-for-my-husband-to-see-not-the-world/hijab-for-muslims-christians-and-jews-and-why-muslims-are-called-oppressed/457607124259379. 204

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130423073339AA2zH8q. 205

http://www.encounteringislam.org/muslimquestions. 205

The Crime of Using Beauty Selfishly. 207

Partially Unanswered Questions. 207

 

Random Thoughts / Additions

 

There is no such thing as “The Christian Woman’s Head Covering”.  Head coverings always have and always will be an issue of HUMAN FEMALE MODESTY, no matter whether you are a Jew, Christian, Muslim, or even a real follower of Jesus. 

5/20/14

 

If Muslim women are willing to obey an unholy book and cover their head, what’s your excuse for disobeying the Bible? If you believe “your Bible” is better than their Koran, then why are they obeying their book and why are you disobeying yours?

5/20/14

 

 

Biblical women covered their head whenever leaving the home:

Although it was normal for woman to answer the door, as seen in Acts [>> TSK!]…

Sarah hid behind the tent wall when she was not prepared to be seen by strangers

>>Scrip: /\

 

Paul

Paul very clearly commands women not to remove their headcovering when praying or prophesying

 

Headcoverings are Biblical: 1Co_11:1-16. Removing a headcovering outside of the home is not Biblical. -- Unless of course, you are (1) a Jewish woman being tried for adultery: Num_5:11 (etc.), or, (2) a woman being punished by having her hair cut off for acting like a harlot: 1Co_11:5-6.

8/26/13; 5/17/14-5/18/14; 11/11/15

 

 

WARNING: A woman who willingly disobeys the Bible and uncovers her head in public, freely confesses to all that she is an adulteress (Num_5:11) and shows that she is unashamed to cause others to commit adultery with her (Mat_5:27-32). Warning, Warning, WARNING! Jezebel is here (Rev_2:20-23)!

WARNING: We are facing an absolutely astounding age of unbridled perversion where women willingly uncover their own head in Public. By doing this they openly confess that they are adulterers (Num_5:11) and that they are unashamed to force others to commit adultery with them.

5/18/14

 

 

(1) Num_5:11 shows us that all God-fearing women automatically put on a headcovering when going outside of the home. (2) Many, many years later Paul commands some former pagans in Corinth that they have to maintain that even during prayer (i.e. no uncovering heads in temples like female prostitutes did). (3) Many, many years later (today) feminism totally robbed the majority of all modern women of their headcoverings and caused them to walk naked-headed in public to their shame and ignorant dishonor

 

1Co_11:6 CAB  For if a woman is not covered [κατακαλύπτεται – having something coming down and hiding], let her also have her hair cut [this affects her even when not praying]. But if it is a shameful thing for a woman to have her hair cut [applies even when not praying], or to be shaved [applies even when not praying], let her be covered [applies even when not praying].

 

WAKE UP and finally realize what is actually being said in 1Co_11!

 

 

Dear woman, I plead with you: put your headcovering back on!

 

 

I warn you: “the emperor has no clothes!”

 

 

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4/22/14

 

H: Mr. Overseer, ive been meaning to mention something to you...our generation think they are so wise in thinking that when it gets hot they should wear less clothes to stay cool and so many people think it strange that I wear so much clothes in the summer. And it is also very common that people suffer from sun burn and even skin cancer these days even when they use sun block. And the answer doctors are giving nowadays is wear more clothes when you go outside dont depend on sun block. Ya, the ancient wisdom of God wins we should wear more clothes when we go out, even nature tells us that!

"The first and most effective way to screen excess UV rays from penetrating the skin is a physical barrier. This includes hats, long sleeve shirts, and other articles of clothing that physically shield your skin. Wide, floppy hats are one of the best ways to shield your face from excessive sunlight."

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Al: Wow, how exciting! Thanks for sharing =-)

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[*] : =)-K I like your statement H " the ancient wisdom of God wins" it made me smile

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hd: H: Wow, that is so practical, and Truth is soo exciting... and practicing justice even has ANSWERS for minimizing Skin cancer!! :+)

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1/17/14; 1/19/14; 1/31/14; 4/12/14; 5/24/25

 

Could almost make a Track out of this...

Bible: Assyrian Code, Num 5, Susanna, imitate!, 1Pe_3: adorn as holy women of at one time professing God-reverence, 1Co 11, Turtelliun

 

 

Jews Have A Clothing Parable to Play

"'On the day of the Lord's sacrifice I will punish the princes and the king's sons and all those clad in foreign clothes." (Zep_1:8)

 

Gen_12:11 <> 1Sa_17:42

 

Gen_23:1 - Sarah = 127 yrs

 

"Monumental evidence confirms the assertion of Scripture that a fair complexion was deemed a high recommendation in the age of the Pharaohs (ride Hengstenberg"s "Egypt and the Books of Moses," p. 200)."

 

Jdt_11:21-23 Brenton  There is not such a woman from one end of the earth to the other, both for beauty of face, and wisdom of words.  22  Likewise Holofernes said unto her. God hath done well to send thee before the people, that strength might be in our hands and destruction upon them that lightly regard my lord.  23  And now thou art both beautiful in thy countenance, and witty in thy words: surely if thou do as thou hast spoken thy God shall be my God, and thou shalt dwell in the house of king Nabuchodonosor, and shalt be renowned through the whole earth.

 

Judith_10:7

And when they saw her, that her countenance was altered, and her apparel was changed, they wondered at her beauty very greatly, and said unto her.

 

Judith_10:14

Now when the men heard her words, and beheld her countenance, they wondered greatly at her beauty, and said unto her,

 

Judith_10:19

And they wondered at her beauty, and admired the children of Israel because of her, and every one said to his neighbour, Who would despise this people, that have among them such women? surely it is not good that one man of them be left who being let go might deceive the whole earth.

 

Judith_10:23

And when Judith was come before him and his servants they all marvelled at the beauty of her countenance; and she fell down upon her face, and did reverence unto him: and his servants took her up.

 

Judith_11:21

There is not such a woman from one end of the earth to the other, both for beauty of face, and wisdom of words.

 

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Zion Road

January 26, 2013

In 1892, the personal agenda of an adolescent diarist read: "Resolved, not to talk about myself or feelings. To think before speaking. To work seriously. To be self restrained in conversation and actions. Not let my thoughts wander. To be dignified. Interest myself more in others."

Later in 1982 a girl's New Year's resolution: " I will try to make myself better in anyway I possibly can with the help of my budget and babysitting money. I will lose weight, get new lenses, already got a new haircut, good makeup, new clothes and accessories."

The traditional emphasis on "good works" as opposed to "good looks" meant that lives of young women in the 19th century had a very different orientation from those of girls today. Before World War 1, girls rarely mentioned their bodies in terms of strategies for self improvement or struggles of personal identity. Becoming a better person meant paying less attention to self, giving more assistance to others, and putting more effort into instructive reading or lessons at school. Many parents tried to limit their daughters interests in superficial things such as hairdos, dresses or the size of their waist, because character was considered more important than beauty, both by parents and the community. And character was built on attention to self control, service to others, and belief in God. When girls of the 19th century thought about ways to improve themselves, they almost always focused on their internal character and how it was reflected in outward behavior. In fact, girls who were preoccupied with their looks were likely to be accused of vanity or self-Indulgence.

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10/19/13; 11/18/13

 

>> !! Get/Study/incorporate all of Eze_16: & 32

 

Eze_16:57  נספןנןךבכץצטםבי פע ךבךבע ףןץ – being stripped naked

 

 

Eze_16:10

װסיקבנפש:

- NETS: hair-veil

- Google: lace

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פסיקןנפשףח: hair loss

 

פסיקב-: hair

-נפש: downward

 

 

 

 

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8/20/13; 5/24/25

 

sir 8: good morphed

 

God Made Women Curvy

Hebrew "rib" [הצלעH6763 And the rib] means "as if curved"

as a stack of wheat

Sir_8: turn your eyes from a good morphed woman

 

 

 

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- look up what "feet" the shunimite held onto with Elisha...

- it is immoral for women to shamelessly show off their forhead, but, it is not immoral for John to see a vission of such a perverted Harlot with a name written on her forhead. - it is always evil for the woman to show, but not necisarilly evil2

 

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find: 'see the *shame of your nakedness* - also: re-read Num5, and what word is used for the priests???

BDC:

to veil or not to veil – the extent of the head covering...

- Eli watcher er mouth!!!!

>> got to define: head covering, face veil, bonet, doily, etc.

 

BDC: remove "loins" to Purity Proclamation ??

 

Clothing Exceptions

 

Being born – Job: naked i came into the world, naked i will go out

 

Isa / Eze – prophesying in the house uncovered

Saul prophesying

 

Peter in the boat w John

 

A House is a Big Covering

when you go into a house, then there is no need for a head coveirng or himation

- "a house to cover shame"

- this is partly why women are to bussy at home (that way they do not always have to be entirely covered)

- a house calls for the minimum dress code that applies even to family.

 

 

1. the seriousness of the head covering

- mat5,

- Thess: keep the traditions, etc.

 

2. The Universality Of the Headcovering

- have the laodiceans read this letter,

- 1co1 with all those in every place...

- did the word of God originate w you?

- as in all the assemblies of the Holy Ones

 

 

 

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How much Does a Himation Cover?

H8071

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Strongs #8071: AHLB#: 2489 (e1)

 

2489) Lmx% (Lmx% SML) ac: ? co: Image ab: ?: The form or shape of an image.

Nm) Lmx% (Lmx% S-ML) - Image: [freq. 5] |kjv: figure, image, idol| {str: 5566}

ef1) Elmix% (Elmix% SYM-LH) - Garment: As forming to the image of the body. [df: hlmV] [freq. 29] |kjv: raiment, clothes, garment, apparel, cloth, clothing| {str: 8071}

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WS:

"ִשְׂמָלה

sלimlāh: A feminine noun meaning clothing, a garment. It refers to a relatively large garment, either an external garment heavy enough to sleep in (Exo_22:27 [26]); or a blanket large enough to cover a person lying on a bed (Gen_9:23). A change of garments could indicate a new beginning or getting ready for travel (Gen_35:2). It refers to clothes in general (Gen_37:34; Deu_22:5)."

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LXX:

 

Deu_21:13  ךב נוסיוכוע פ לפיב פע בקלבכשףבע בפע נ᾿ בפע

 

 

 

 

shun the shame... worship of paganism is shame!

Jer_3:24

 

understanding shame:

need to go throughout these hebrew words and put it all together...

 

H1322

 

בֶּשׁת

bōšeṯ: A feminine noun denoting shame, humiliation, disgrace. The word depicts the feelings of guilt, disgrace, and embarrassment persons experience because of unfortunate acts or words committed (1Sa_20:30; 2Ch_32:21). Humiliation and disgrace was brought on God's people through the exile at the hands of Babylon (Ezr_9:7), but He could also bring shame on one's enemies (Job_8:22). Used with its related verb bפš, it could express deep shame (Isa_42:17); with the word face following, it could express a face of shame (2Ch_32:21; Ezr_9:7; Jer_7:19; Dan_9:7-8) meaning their "own shame." To be clothed with shame is a figurative expression of the psalmist (Psa_35:26; Psa_132:18). The phrase "shame of your youth" (Isa_54:4) refers to Israel's early indiscretions. The biblical authors would sometimes substitute this word for the word ba‛al in a person's name, emphasizing the shame of ever recognizing such a pagan god (2Sa_2:8; Jdg_6:32). In other places and ways, it replaces the word ba‛al that became so closely attached to the gods of Canaan (Jer_3:24; cf. Jer_11:13; Hos_9:10).

 

song about dressing modestly

https://soundcloud.com/chris_faulkner/please-cover-yourself?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=facebook

 

 

 

AdDressing Dressing

 

Modesty or Hell

Choose

Modesty Track Notes

11/14/19

 

 

Visual Prostitution – Dressing Immodestly Makes You A Prostitute

 

Repent of Prostitution!

 

Pro_7:1-27 – dangers of the strange woman

Pro_7:6-9 – Foolish youth who is doomed

Pro_7:10 – Clothing of a Prostitute

Pro_7:11-21 – flattery, kisses, and embraces

Pro_7:21-23 – She kills him like an animal

Pro_7:24-27 – Strong men taken down by her

 

Isa_3:16-26 – haughty and walk with outstretched necks, glancing wantonly with their eyes, mincing along as they go

mincing walk is a wanton walk

 

Eze_16:30 What a sick heart you have, says the Sovereign LORD, to do such things as these, acting like a shameless prostitute –

Refuse to be ashamed

 

Rev_16:

Rev_17:1 – 18:24

Rev_18:3 – all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality

 

1Pe_3:3-4 – the hidden person of the heart

1Sa_16:7 – God looks at heart

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lusts

1Pe_2:11 – abstain from lusts

 

Gal_5:13 – no free flesh indulgence

Gal_5:19 – aselgeia

 

1Jo_2:16-17 – lust of the flesh

Rom_13:14 – ESV …But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh…

 

Galatians_5:19-21 ESV Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality…

 

 

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1Ti_2:8-10 –

2Ti_2:22

 

1Co_8:9 – no stumbling block

 

Ordained Clothes

Gen_3:7, 21 – Adam and Eve covered themselves with fig leaves, it wasn’t enough. God gave them skins to cover them

The Hebrew words Moses used (kuttoneth labesh) means a covering to wrap around the body.

https://www.christistheway.com/a-prostitutes-clothing/

 

Exo_20:26 – And you shall not go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness be not exposed on it.’

 

Exodus_39:28 ESV And the turban of fine linen, and the caps of fine linen, and the linen undergarments of fine twined linen,

 

Ezekiel_44:18 ESV They shall have linen turbans on their heads, and linen undergarments around their waists. They shall not bind themselves with anything that causes sweat.

 

Dan_3:21 – ESV Then these men were bound in their cloaks, their tunics, their hats, and their other garments, and they were thrown into the burning fiery furnace.

 

 

Mat_5:28 –

 

Mar_7:21-23 – Heart-Generated Prostitution

Mat_15:

 

Isa_61:10 – clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness

 

Pro_31:30 – Charm is deceptive…

 

Pro_11:22 – “Like a gold ring in a pig’s snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.”

 

The Body

1Co_6:19-20 – body temple…flee prostitution

 

1Co_12:23 – bestow honor on private parts

 

Rom_12:1-2 – bodies a living and holy sacrifice…not conformed

 

1Co_6:13 – The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord

 

1Co_6:20  – For you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

 

1Co_7:4 – husband has exclusive authority over wife’s body

 

Romans_13:14-15 “Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.”

 

2Ki_9:30 ESV …Jezebel heard of it. And she painted her eyes

 

Jer_4:30 ESV And you, O desolate one, what do you mean that you dress in scarlet, that you adorn yourself with ornaments of gold, that you enlarge your eyes with paint? In vain you beautify yourself. Your lovers despise you; they seek your life.

 

Revelation_3:18 ESV …white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen

 

Galatians_5:16-17 “But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.”

https://biblereasons.com/modesty/

12/26/22

 

1Th_5:22 – Abstain from every form of evil.

 

Luke_17:1-2 ESV And he said to his disciples, “Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come!

 

Some historical reading:

https://thetransformedwife.com/acting-and-dressing-like-a-harlot/

 

anti-absolute-clothing Heretic

https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/5-things-bible-does-and-doesnt-say-about-modesty/

“The Bible doesn’t teach a dress code.”

https://412teens.org/qna/what-does-the-Bible-say-about-modesty.php

 

Sexual Murder

Ezekiel_16:38 ESV / 2 helpful votes

And I will judge you as women who commit adultery and shed blood are judged, and bring upon you the blood of wrath and jealousy.

 

Isa_47:2-3 – uncovered shame

 

 

Introduction

 

The Bible is extremely more practical than we’ve ever given it credit for, and one of the most needed teachings of all time, especially in corrupted cultures like perverted America, is a teaching about the Biblical Dress Code.  That the Bible would even address such a thing is almost foreign to the minds of those who have so loosely and whimsically treated the Bible for so many years. But here is the reality that lawless grace perverters have always feared and threatened off with charges of legalism. Here is the reality that the Bible actually gives us specifics on how to dress in a way that would please God in True Holiness!

 

God actually cares about us enough to not let us carelessly continue dressing how it seems best in our own culturally blinded eyes. Get ready to be redeemed from sensuality unto a life style of dressing modestly, protecting your fellow brothers and sisters from sin, and being freed up to live in the pleasing honor and greatness that God has called us too.

If you can believe this truth then it can change your life, right down to the way you dress.

 

The Right Attitude

 

Things to Remember

·   Pursuing Specific Modesty is better than licensing immorality in the name of not being legalistic*

·   God is trying to cloth us both physically for our present needs and spiritually for our eternal needs

·   God is very merciful toward our past ignorance when we are humble, but calls us to change once we become aware of His standards.

·   Cutting pieces of clothing away from the area that God has clothed is to cut away from the Biblical Dress Code.

·   God is not the God of the whims of our culture but of the clear lines and standards of His Word.

*Read these verses: Jud_1:4 (NO “licensing” evil); Mat_7:13-14 (God’s way is restricted)

 

Jer_6:16

[ Jer_6:16 ]

 

 

The Old Paths

 

Jer_6:16-19 WEB  Thus says Yahweh, [the Lord] Stand you in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way; and walk therein, and you shall find rest for your souls: but they said, We will not walk therein.  17  I set watchmen over you, saying, Listen to the sound of the trumpet; but they said, We will not listen.  18  Therefore hear, you nations, and know, congregation, what is among them.  19  Hear, earth: behold, I will bring evil on this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not listened to my words; and as for my law, they have rejected it.

 

[ 1Pe_3:3-6 ]

[ 1Pe_3:3-6 ]

Make Yourself Beautiful the Way the Women in the Past Did

1Pe_3:3-6 KJ2000  Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of braiding the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;  4  But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.  5  For after this manner in former times the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:  6  Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord [i.e. “Sir” or “master” (κυριον)]: whose daughters you are, as long as you do well, and are not afraid with any terror.

 

What Can we say to This?

In light of this Scripture: Forget all of the paranoias about “not violating people’s culture.” Instead let us radically over-though all of the unbiblical ways to re-establish a better way which is Biblical and superior to our culture.

 

God Wants to Clothe You

God is Trying to Cloth Us

·         You can be most comfortable not being fully covered when part of your heart wants people to lust after you.

·         What would happen to your dress if you truly prayed, “Lord, may no one be attracted to me today.”

·         To cover yourself means to pursue honor and to hate participating in lust.

·         Being modest physically reflects going after the honor of truth and righteousness that God has called us to Spiritually.

·         Consider all the times God said that He wants to cloth His people’s nakedness…

 

>> Scrip:

5/26/18

>> SOM: Wouldn’t He much rather clothe you, o u of meager faith

not that we desire to be unclothed, but to be clothed

 

2Co_5:2-4 WEB  For most assuredly in this we groan, longing to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven;  3  if so be that being clothed we will not be found naked.  4  For indeed we who are in this tent do groan, being burdened; not that we desire to be unclothed, but that we desire to be clothed, that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.

 

Rev_19:8-9 EMTV  And to her it was granted that she should be dressed in fine linen, bright and pure, for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.  9  Then he said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' "…

 

God commissions us to go and do the same to others physically, (which cloths us spiritually)…

 

The Good Samaritan

Luk_10:30-37 EMTV  …"A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and encountered bandits, who after having stripped him of his clothing and having wounded him, departed, leaving him half dead….  33  But a certain Samaritan, as he traveled … 34  And coming to him, he bandaged his wounds, …and took care of him.  37  …Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise."

 

Jas_2:14-17 KJVCNT  What does it profit, my brothers, though a man say he has faith, and have not works? can faith save him?  15  If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,  16  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are necessary to the body; what does it profit?  17  Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone.

 

Mat_25:34-36, 40 WEB  …'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom… 35  for I was… 36  naked, and you clothed me…

40 …'Most assuredly I tell you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

 

We do these things to be clothed spiritually

 

Don’t walk naked in heaven

Rev_3:17-19 WEB  Because you say, 'I am rich, and have gotten riches, and have need of nothing;' and don't know that you are the wretched one, miserable, poor, blind, and naked;  18  I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, that you may become rich; and white garments, that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes, that you may see.  19  As many as I love, I reprove and chasten. Be zealous therefore, and repent.

Rev_16:15 KJVCNT  Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

 

Cooperate with Modesty!

Immodestly is partial nakedness. Therefore, it is unimaginable when we are “naked” but get offended if someone dares try to “cloth” us and exhort us to modesty!  So our commission is to cloth and be clothed: first remove the “plank” then get the “speak” (Mat_7:1-5), and to do this, we have got to completely repent of and dismiss the “don’t judge me” mentality regarding cloths and modesty.

 

Don’t Flaunt what is Shameful

·         Throughout the Bible we are always admonished to flee shame and to pursue modesty.

·         We are not to flaunt what is supposed to be shameful: Hos_9:10

 

Exo_32:25-26 KJ2000  And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had let them be naked unto their shame among their enemies:)  26  Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me…

 

Isn’t it time for the Moses’ of our day to stand up and demand that we no longer flaunt the shame of our nakedness in the immodesty of our bodies?!

 

1Co_4:14 KJV  I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.

 

Eph_5:12 KJV  For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

-          Notice that he does not go on to make a joke about the shame, but shows us to avoid shame

 

Php_3:18-19 WEB  For many walk, of whom I told you often, and now tell you even weeping, as the enemies of the cross of Christ,  19  whose end is destruction, whose god is the belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who think about earthly things.

 

Jud_1:12-13 EMTV  These are stains in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves, they are waterless clouds being carried along by winds; late autumn trees unfruitful, twice having died, having been uprooted,  13  raging waves on the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars for whom the darkness of the netherworld has been reserved forever.

 

Remember Rev_3:17-19  and_16:15 above?

 

Rom_6:21 WEB  What fruit then did you have at that time in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.

 

One of the horrible taints of Lust is the shame and guilt it leaves. If shame is a curse of sin, then let us shun it instead of dressing in it by removing proper clothing!

 

Mat_6:30 KJ2000  Therefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

 

We are supposed to be believing God to provide clothing for us. How can we expect Him to provide the cloths we need when we are not being faithful with the cloths we already have? By neglecting to put them on and dress in modestly to cover our bodies we disrespect what God has already given us.

 

Prophecy of Judgment

Showing off nakedness is a sign God gave for the Judgment of shame:

Isa_3:17; Jer_13:22, Jer_13:26; Mic_1:11; Rev_3:18; 16:15; 17:16

 

We should only pursue the same if we are ready to inherit the same judgment.

 

BIGGEST Disclaimer and Clarifier

This teach addresses an infinitely wide range of cases, many of which are not immediately dealing with salvation as much as they are with refining the hidden an unknown imperfections so that we can pursue God with greater holiness and perfection.

Because many of these cases involve honest ignorance, it does not figure that God is angry with many who are incomplete in this area, but I patient and hopeful for our perfection.  God is only harsh to those who are not humble, but condemnation only rests on those who do not Love the Truth enough to change when God makes His will known.

I am sure that God uses all of us who obey Him in spite of the fact that there are MANY things beyond this teaching that we are blind to that we are in constant need of mercy for.

 

Jas_3:2 WEB  For in many things we all stumble…

 

Just because you have never heard this teaching before does not mean that you should become defensive and feel criticized.  I did not know it a lot of it either (in full) until I studied and found it out.

If you have been blind to this teaching, don’t be discouraged at how much you need to change, but be challenged and encouraged that you are being exposed to more of His divine standards rather than being left to your own concepts.

I hope that it would be of some affirmation to the reader that these standards are in many ways are beyond what I would have set.  Some of these aspects are “more modest” than what I would think is modest. Therefore I humbly give as well as receive a more perfect understanding of modesty that has been lost and forgotten from our culture, even among practically all of the church.

These standards are not here because they will fit your idea of what it means to be modest, but because all of us are naturally given to such profound blind that we need our understanding radically altered.

We are often found without a clue that we are tempting people and helping them sin because we are desensitized from the desires that others have. If we keep God’s dress code we can avoid most of this.

The main answers is to be humble and open to the standards that God has set in the past admitting that we are blind enough to have missed them, and in need enough to warrant change.  I hope you will always receive the admonition with this humility especially because if we say “we see” when we are blind thee “our sin remains!”

 

Earthly Icons of Heavenly Realities

 

Man is an icon of God

 

Woman is not an icon at all in this age, but she is the direct counter part of the assembly

(i.e. your life is hidden with anointed one…. when anointed one, who is our life appears, then you too will appear with him in Glory)

 

Swords are icons of real, spiritual swords

- angel in front of garden proves that heavenly swords predated our human swords

- Jesus has the truest sword that proceeds from His mouth

 

The Jewish Temple (lit. house) was an icon of the heavenly kingdom where God lives

>> still need to get Hebrews references for this…

 

Wis_9:8 Brenton  Thou hast commanded me to build a temple upon thy holy mount, and an altar in the city wherein thou dwellest, a resemblance of the holy tabernacle, which thou hast prepared from the beginning.

 

Clothing is an icon of Righteous

- get Revelation refs, and others (OT prophets, some Epistles – that we do not stand naked, etc.)

- Righteous is truly REAL clothing that covers our shame forever

 

Always remember: when Moses struck the rock, he did not get into the physical Promised Land, and you will never escape if you defile God’s images of holiness hear on earth either.

 

Basic Principals

 

Modesty Shame is Actually Good!

Have you have herd of someone being “shameless”? Even though we greatly think of shame as very bad, yet we do not really understand why it is even worse to be “shameless”. It is time to wake up and finally understand the virtue of good shame!

 

Sir_4:21 Br-Gr  For there is a shame that bringeth sin; and there is a shame which is glory and grace.

 

 

Points to Ponder

Culture does affect what is viewed as “appropriate” and even what is considered “modest.”

When we depend on our culture to tell us what is appropriate we find ourselves in conflict with God who is always holding a more conservative view. Why? Because people tend toward sin!

You can continue to choose to base your standards on your culture’s instable perceptions and compromises, or on the ever-lasting Words of the Living God!

 

BIG Principals

·         Don’t show them what you would NEVER want them to touch

·         Don’t entice people with the parts of your body that are (exclusively) intended for marriage!

 

Principal Thoughts

God made cloak of skin as the first (legitimate) clothing (Gen_3:21 & compare Luk_15:22)

Some of us are still trying to wear “skimpy scraps” instead of full clothing, which is not enough for God

God wants us to be fully clothed!

This indicates that such cloaks are all that are necessary for modesty in the home, and God Himself is not offended at this, (& this correlates with the attitude that was held during Bible times)

The insistence on having veils for women is a societal necessity when there is potential for lust – that is, in a coed context!

Perhaps Rachel was covered by a draped cloth especially to shade from the sun, (as middle Eastern camels often are) but she did not put on her veil until Isaac was near

Extra cloths are needed for going out in public

Covering is not so much needed when we are (“unaware”) children just as Adam and Eve where naked during their probationary period of simplicity. When brought to this state of awareness prematurely God “conceded” to give them the cloths that would have otherwise been provided later at the proper time of healthy enlightenment.

God’s goal has always been wisdom and understanding in the proper mode rather than the vanity of “independent” acquisition of knowledge which “puffs us up” in pride as satan said, “you will be as gods knowing…”

So also the Gnostics as well as many University professors appeal to the enticement of “falsely called knowledge” that is perused unsubmitted to the governing of righteousness.

Immediately I hope to reestablish the bare minimum and this alone would make the world a better and moral place as far as dressing is concerned.  As God has mercy on us to have righteous hearts then it is good to pursue full societal modesty.

 

These clothing ideas are not based on temporary shifting principals, but on eternal ones ordained by god Himself even before mankind knew what clothing was.

 

Psa_119:89 KJ2000 …Forever, O LORD, your word is settled in heaven.

 

Which is true even for clothing, since the priests clothing was based as an exact shadow of things going on in heaven designed before man fell:

 

Heb_8:4-5 KJVCNT  …there are priests [with their priestly clothing] that offer gifts according to the law:  5  Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, says he, that you make all things [including the priestly clothing] according to the pattern showed to you in the mount.

 

We should have reverence for this and fear what God has made and ordained as clothing, because it is an eternal standard that is establish in the heavens forever!

 

Remember:

Despite what God prescribes to the priests, He still sees all things. He Himself is not offended at the human body, but at our sinful inclination to pervert it having acquired our awareness of the shame of our sexuality prematurely from rebellious means.

God himself knows how we are inclined to perversion, and so to protect us from it He gives us proper clothing that will cover even the perversion we are not aware of:

Who can know his own heart…

There is a way that seems right.. death

Also compare: “we don’t know what we aught to pray for”

We don’t know what’s best for us!!!

 

Dressing immodestly shows an internal affinity toward that which is dishonorable and detestable toward God. Let us flee from that which is hated and rejected by God and seek honor from Him:

Those who seek honor immortality and life…

Pharisees Love praise from men rather than Loving praise from God…

Jesus looked to the reward…

Don’t deny godly ambitions in the name of being “humble.”  Be humble in regards to the flesh but be courageous in Jesus who has called us to greatness.

Pursuing that which is shameful incurs the wrath of God

Foaming out of their own shame…

It is shameful to even mention what they do… (so why is it that we so lightly make jokes about shameful things and play up the sinfulness that God so hates????)

Cry out for wisdom….. to that you will not inherit shame

 

 

 

Women are Special

It should be noted that the Biblical attitude is acknowledge that facial beauty is more of a defining (and tempting) feature in a woman than a man. For some reason God has particularly endowed beauty to the face of women in a way unique to them that is not so with men.

Many men have stumbled at beauty

Because God has entrusted a special gift of representing beauty in a woman’s face it also comes with greater responsibility to manage that gift in a way that is honorable…

So what is the application of all of this concerning the face?

 

It represents the church:

The king desires your beauty…Forget your people…

This image entrusted to women ought to be taken seriously especially since it reflects the way God feels attracted to His people and loves to beautify them as his bride. This means that tainting this image and representation on earth is a hatful crime because it distorts part of the picture of the very LOVE of GOD Himself!

For this very reason women are particularly admonished to keep holy that which God has entrusted to them for purity.

 

So why is it?

·         Guys usually sweat more than girls (they usually like it cooler)

·         Guys are much more visually tempted than girls (yet…)

·         Girls typically where skimpier clothing than guys

·         Guys (usually) have more going on for a shirt than girls in younger culture, when girls should be all the more modest in this area because of temptation!

·         This tenancy toward skimpiness even holds true in the church!

 

 

Other Thoughts

 

 

Different Lusts

It is one thing if people choose to lust, it’s another in another thing if they are overtaken by unsympathetic seduction.

Some people are overcome and lust unwillingly and are less guilty than those who willingly dress in a way to cause it.

The way you dress does not always stop those who choose to lust, but it does always mess up people who lust unwillingly!  Dress might not alter those who sin willfully, but it will weaken those who sin unwillfully.

Carless dress consistently causes those who are week (and often those who are strong) to stubble into sin against their intentions.

You could make any touch lustful but there are some areas you could not make clean!

Don’t show the world what is reserved for a spouse!

 

Don’t Cling

God’s priests wore layers of clothing that did not “show off their figure.” And why would they? Clothing is to COVER not to “show off” one’s body.

If “guys are very aware of your body” as Pastor Mike says then don’t show or “hint” it to them.

Women throughout the ages have been more covered in morally sensitive cultures than men in recognition of the greater potential for lust.

Principal:

In all the ways that women have skimpier clothing than men, this is a direction of departure from morality to lust. Without the drive of lust, women would were at least as much or more clothing than men.

Remember: I’m not assuming that these things are done consciously as “willful sin” is done, but I’m bringing them to the light for us to deal with.

With the Biblical Dress Code, the idea is not to make your cloths “cling” or conform to your body, but to COVER your body. The priest had many layers of clothing, we should too if we aspire to be those who belong to Jesus who have been made “kings and priests.”

 

 

Don’t be under the law

For the New Covenant, being under the law means insulting God by trying to do just the minimum requirements of what He has specifically for bidden.  Living in the New Covenant means having a heart purified inside that goes beyond the specific external requirements and not even wanting to go the direction of immorality, much less push it to its limits!

So how far is too far? Under the New Covenant the instant you go the wrong direction you’ve gone too far in trespassing God’s purity standard that begins in the heart.  Once you’ve got the heart part you’ve kept the fulfilled law by stopping from the need to sin or go in its direction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Remember that those who sin are condemned, but those who bring in the cause of sin are condemned even greater! Woe to someone who is tripped up in lust, but woe even more to the one who has not prepared themselves and has caused their brother or sister to fall!

 

 

Search for:

Makeup

“Cloaks”

 

God has set priests to be merciful to sins committed in ignorance

Don’t only dress to your own safety standards, but dress in a way that could be righteously imitated by all who are watching you as an example.

Be example to believers…

Come together to stir one another up to love and good works…

Don’t “embolden” another’s conscience to do wrong

None of us lives to himself nor dies to himself (‘no one is an island’)

 

The Minimum Dress Code

How to Dress around Family

 

At least in most cases when possible, it is not even good for family to see too much of family in this way:

Noah

Lev_18

God made them [both] cloaks of skin

 

Lev_18:6 CAB  No man shall draw near to any of his near kindred to uncover their nakedness; I am the Lord.

 

REAL Definition

In the Bible, naked does not always mean “fully unclothed,” but it often refers to not having the whole body covered.  To God, being “naked” means coming short of the Biblical Dress Code.  In the cold it can refer to more than the biblical dress code (see Jas_2:15-16, quoted previously, and 2Co_11:27 quoted below).

 

Mat_25:35-36 WEB  35  for I was… 36  naked, and you clothed me…

 

Act_19:16 KJV  And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

 

1Co_4:11 KJV  Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;

 

2Co_11:23-27 KJV  Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more…  27  …in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

 

It is safe to say the Apostles had some kind of cloths, but often not enough to cloth them fully as they would desire for dignity sake.  These rags being incomplete clothing make the apostles unwillingly “naked.”

 

2Co_6:4, 10 KJV  But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God…  10  …as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

 

Joh_21:7-9 WEB  …Peter heard that it was the Lord, he wrapped his coat around him (for he was naked),

 

Rom_8:35 KJV  Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

 

Jas_2:15-16 KJVCNT  15  If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,  16  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are necessary to the body; what does it profit?

 

 

Others Include:

Possibly Mar_14:51-52 (above)

 

 

--- Look up “nakedness” in OT

 

Ignorant sin

Ignorant sin is certainly a reality, so let us eagerly cry out for knowledge to be found unblamable before Him having forsaken willful ignorance.

Whether or not you are aware of God’s standards, they will remain true and eternal having been established in the Heavens. Please don’t get mad at me because I did not make this up. I am doing you great good by seeking to not let you continue unaware of God’s forgotten standards.

 

Read Pro_2

 

Beauty Holified

Beauty Holified

 

 

Beautiful People

Every Beautiful Person in The Bible

Other date(s) (early 2000s onward); 5/3/25-5/5/25 (recompiled)

 

God likes people being Beautiful.

After all, He made that way, didn’t He?

God likes it when certain people are very appealing and good to look at visually, and He makes special note about when they are all throughout the Bible

it when they are in the Bible.

 

Remember: God made all things Good (as seen in RiFi & WOW), including people in the original goodness of Eden before the fall.

Now we must be extra careful about the goodness of beautiful people after sin is here.

 

Patriarchs of Beauty

The Beauty of The Patriarchs And Matriarchs throughout The Bible

Job’s 3 Daughters       Job_42:12-15

Young Woman            Job_31:1 (Job’s eye-covenant)

Sarah                           Gen_12:11, Gen_12:14-15;

Rebecca                       Gen_24:16; Gen_26:7 (life-threatening beauty)

Rachel                         Gen_29:17 (beautiful of form and appearance vs. Leah)

Joseph                         Gen_39:6-7

[Dina                           Gen_34: (tragedy would most like not have happen if she was not more appealing than average/others)]

 

Beauty for Marriage

Indications that beauty is a reasonable ground for marriage

[Eve?                           Gen_2:23 → All were GOOD/beautiful]

Daughters of men       Gen_6:2 (Angelic lust violates into unlawful marriage)

Captive Woman          Deu_21:10-12 (The Law allowed marriage based on beauty)

“Better” Sister?           Jdg_15:2 (Samson’s Wife’s sister said to be “better” -- appearance or suitability?)

Rahab                          (A) Harlot: Jos_2:1; Jos_6:22-25; Heb_11:31; Jam_2:25; (B) Married: Mat_1:5 (Rth_4:21; 1Ch_2:11)

[GPT: rabbinic literature names her as one of the four most beautiful women in the world, alongside Sarah, Abigail, and Esther]

[Rth?                           ]

 

Deutero-Canonnical Beauty

Judith                          Jdt_8:7; Jdt_10:4 (exceedingly beautiful; used beauty for marriage and then to assonate Holofernes after widowhood)

Sara Tobit's wife

Susana

 

Kings & Beauty for Marriage

Saul                             1Sa_9:2 (more handsome & taller than others)

David                          1Sa_16:18; 1Sa_17:42; (Michal loved David (fleeing like Potipher’s wife): 1Sa_18:20, 1Sa_18:28; 1Sa_19:11-17, but later: 2Sa_6:16, 2Sa_6:20-23)

Abigail                        1Sa_25:3

Bathsheba †                2Sa_11:2 (very beautiful to behold)

Song of Solomon        The whole book!

Solomon & Shulamite (Sample): Son_1:8-16; Son_2:2, Son_2:14; Son_4:1-5, Son_4:7-10; Son_6:4, Son_6:9-10; Son_7:1-10;

Abishag                    1Ki_1:1-4 (highly beautiful Abishag the Shunammite took care of David)

Esther                          Est_2:2-4, Est_2:7, Est_2:15, Est_2:17 (beautiful & favored in king’s eyes)

Vashti †                       Est_1:11 (beautiful to behold; refused to show her crown & beauty)

King & Queen             Psa_45:2 (king), Psa_45:10-11 (bride-queen) -- (Prophetic wedding parable psalm) (The Psalms)

[GPT: Psa_45:2 (the king is fairer than sons of men), Psa_45:10-11 (the king will desire the beauty of the bride)]

Israel’s Parable †         Eze_16:7-15 (used for prostitution and horrible sins: Eze_16:16-58)

 

Children & Youths

(Sons &) Daughters    Psa_144:12 (sons like plants & esp. daughters that adorn; rejoicing in beauty)

Eliab - David's brother †

David’s Tamar †         2Sa_13:1 (David’s daughter was so beautiful Amnon lusted after her)

Absalom †                   2Sa_14:25-26 (no blemish from sole to crown, heavy beautiful hair)

Absalom’s Tamar        2Sa_14:27 (Absalom’s daughter, wife of Rehoboam son of Solomon)

Adonijah †                  1Ki_1:6 (son of David - very good-looking; attempted to exalt himself as king)

Daniel                          Dan_1:4 (youths with no blemish, good-looking, gifted in wisdom)

 

 

2Sa_14:27 CAB  And there were born to Absalom three sons and one daughter, and her name was Tamar. She was a very beautiful woman, and she became the wife of Rehoboam son of Solomon, and she bore to him Abia.

 

NT Beauty

1Corinthian virgin       (one NT reference)

NT commends OT beauty that brought them into the beauty of holiness

Eph_5: Rev                  a glorious wife/bride/church

Jesus                            Rev

 

Summaries of Beautiful People

·         God Likes Blessed Beauty: Most of the Biblical descriptions of beauty are positive -- God likes it

·         Sinful Beauty: Oftentimes beauty is also used for sin

·         Fornicated Beauty: Almost every case where beauty is sinned against, it is outside of Biblical marriage (except…a few examples)

·         10 Men of Beauty: Joseph; Saul; David; Abigail; Bathsheba; Solomon; King; Absalom; Adonijah; Daniel

·         21+ Women of Beauty: Job’s 3 Daughters; Young Woman; Sarah; Rebecca; Rachel; Daughters of men; Captive Woman; “Better” Sister; Shulamite; Abishag; Vashti; Esther; Queen; Israel; Daughters; David’s Tamar; Absalom’s Tamar; [Rahab; Judith]

·         Womens’s beauty is more central to the Bible

 

Women’s Beauty is More Than Men’s

·         By spending more time, and greater thematical emphasis, and by using more than twice as many examples discussing the beauty of women, the Bible confirms what we actually should already know…

·         Women's beauty is more of an issue than men's beauty in the Bible -- like it is our own thoughtful and perceptive human experience.

 

Job_31:1 WEB  "I made a covenant with my eyes, how then should I look lustfully at a young woman?

Job_31:1 CAB  “I made a covenant with my eyes, and I will not think upon a virgin.

Job_31:1  διαθήκην ἐθέμην τοῖς ὀφθαλμοῖς μου καὶ οὐ συνήσω ἐπὶ παρθένον.

 

Sinful Lust

1Jn_2:16 CAB  Because everything that is in the world--the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--is not from the Father but is from the world.

1Jn_2:16  ὅτι πᾶν τὸ ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ, ἡ ἐπιθυμία τῆς σαρκὸς καὶ ἡ ἐπιθυμία τῶν ὀφθαλμῶν καὶ ἡ ἀλαζονεία τοῦ βίου, οὐκ ἔστιν ἐκ τοῦ πατρὸς, ἀλλ᾿ ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου ἐστί.

1Jn_2:16  οτι παν το εν τω κοσμω η επιθυμια της σαρκος και η επιθυμια των οφθαλμων και η αλαζονεια του βιου ουκ εστιν εκ του πατρος αλλ εκ του κοσμου εστιν

 

Moral Beauty

…5/5/25

The Beauty Of Virtue

 

>>Scrip:

Psa_29:2; Psa_96:9; 1Ch_16:29 – worship him in the beauty of holiness

Psa_29:2 NKJV Give unto the Lord the glory due to His name; worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness.

Psa_29:2 MT הָב֣וּ לַֽיהוָ֣ה כְּב֣וֹד שְׁמ֑וֹ הִשְׁתַּחֲו֥וּ לַ֝יהוָ֗ה בְּהַדְרַת־קֹֽדֶשׁ׃

Psa_29:2 LXX ἐνέγκατε τῷ κυρίῳ δόξαν ὀνόματι αὐτοῦ· προσκυνήσατε τῷ κυρίῳ ἐν αὐλῇ ἁγίᾳ αὐτοῦ.

Psa_96:9 NKJV Oh, worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness! Tremble before Him, all the earth.

Psa_96:9 MT הִשְׁתַּחֲו֥וּ לַֽיהוָ֗ה בְּהַדְרַת־קֹ֫דֶשׁ חִ֥ילוּ מִפָּנָ֥יו כָּל־הָאָֽרֶץ׃

Psa_96:9 LXX προσκυνήσατε τῷ κυρίῳ ἐν αὐλῇ ἁγίᾳ αὐτοῦ· σαλευθήτω ἀπὸ προσώπου αὐτοῦ πᾶσα ἡ γῆ.

1Ch_16:29 NKJV Give to the Lord the glory due His name; bring an offering, and come before Him. Oh, worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness!

1Ch_16:29 MT הָב֤וּ לַיהוָה֙ כְּב֣וֹד שְׁמ֔וֹ שְׂא֥וּ מִנְחָ֖ה וּבֹ֣אוּ לְפָנָ֑יו הִשְׁתַּחֲו֥וּ לַ֝יהוָ֗ה בְּהַדְרַת־קֹֽדֶשׁ׃

1Ch_16:29 LXX ἐνέγκατε τῷ κυρίῳ δόξαν ὀνόματι αὐτοῦ· ἀνένεγκατε δῶρα καὶ εἰσέλθατε εἰς τὰς αὐλὰς αὐτοῦ· προσκυνήσατε τῷ κυρίῳ ἐν αὐλῇ ἁγίᾳ αὐτοῦ.

 

Moses                          Exo_2:2; Act_7:20; Heb_11:23

Moses as a baby

 

 

Jesus's Beauty

>> Scrip:

Isa_53:2 – he had no form or beauty that we should desire him

Isa_53:2 NKJV For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him.

Isa_53:2 MT וַיַּ֨עַל כַּיּוֹנֵ֜ק לְפָנָ֗יו וְכַשֹּׁ֛רֶשׁ מֵאֶ֥רֶץ צִיָּ֖ה לֹ֣א תֹֽאַר־ל֑וֹ וְלֹ֤א הָדָר֙ וְנִרְאֵ֣הוּ וְלֹֽא־מַרְאֶ֔ה וְנֶחְמְדֵֽהוּ׃

Isa_53:2 LXX ἀναγγέλλομεν ὡς παιδίον ἐναντίον αὐτοῦ, ὡς ῥίζα ἐν γῇ διψώσῃ· οὐκ ἔστιν εἶδος αὐτῷ οὐδὲ δόξα· καὶ εἴδομεν αὐτόν, καὶ οὐκ εἶχεν εἶδος οὐδὲ κάλλος·

 

Ecc_3:11 “He has made everything beautiful in its time.”

 

Psa_45:2-4 – you are the most excellent/beautiful of the sons of men

 

Rev_1:13-16 – Revelation’s description of Jesus (also Revelation 10)

Rev_1:13-16 NKJV and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.

His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire;

His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters;

He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.

Rev_19:11-13 NKJV

Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.

His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.

He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

 

 

ES: The Land of the Majestic King

Isa_33:17 WEB  Your eyes will see the king in his beauty. They will see a distant land.

Isa_33:17 CAB  You shall see a king with glory; your eyes shall behold a land from afar.

Isa_33:17  βασιλέα μετὰ δόξης ὄψεσθε, καὶ οἱ ὀφθαλμοὶ ὑμῶν ὄψονται γῆν πόρρωθεν.

 

Psa_50:2 WEB  Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God shines forth.

Psa_50:2 CAB  Out of Zion comes the excellence of His beauty.

Psa_50:2  (49:2) ἐκ Σιων ἡ εὐπρέπεια τῆς ὡραιότητος αὐτοῦ, ὁ θεὸς ἐμφανῶς ἥξει,

 

Mat_5:8 – Clean in heart will see God (Also Psa_24:3-4 -- hill of Lord)

Mat_5:8 NKJV

Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God.

Mat_5:8 SBL

μακάριοι οἱ καθαροὶ τῇ καρδίᾳ, ὅτι αὐτοὶ τὸν θεὸν ὄψονται.

Mat_5:8 ||Tischendorf μακάριοι οἱ καθαροὶ τῇ καρδίᾳ| BYZ μακάριοι οἱ καθαροὶ τῇ καρδίᾳ||, ὅτι αὐτοὶ τὸν θεὸν ὄψονται.

 

>>Scrip:

Come to be admired by them

 

 

Psa_24:3-4 NKJV

Who may ascend into the hill of the Lord? Or who may stand in His holy place?

He who has clean hands and a pure heart, Who has not lifted up his soul to an idol, Nor sworn deceitfully.

 

Heb_12:14 NKJV

Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord.

1Ti_1:5 NKJV

Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith.

2Ti_2:22 NKJV

Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

 

Psa_73:1 NKJV

Truly God is good to Israel, To such as are pure in heart.

 

1Jn_3:2-3 NKJV

Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

 

1Pe_3:3

 

Original Notes

Let's not ignore the fact that God is the one who designed people to be attracted to the opposite sex.  If we give an honest and complete look at Scripture, then we will see that the Bible likes to note attractiveness and beauty.

 

 

So we know that He likes romance and attractiveness, and this particularly in its designed context of marriage; He’s the One who made it, so that He knows how it works best!  Just consider the book of Song of Solomon, (expounded below).  When reading the rest of this paper, be sure not to forget what is the conclusion of the first point: That God likes romance and attractiveness when done right.

      Even more so we must keep this in mind because of temptation:  Just as God gets great pleasure out of setting up mates for each other and the sanctity He puts on this, He intensely hates the perversion of it!  God has set boundaries on sexuality so that we can, by TRULY enjoying it, glorify Him.

     Since (according to God’s original plan) marriage is the exclusive goal of attractiveness and romantic desires, when we indulge in such desires before marriage we pervert the purpose that God had in mind.  The desires are present and good but they are not to be actualized until marriage.  God designed potentially overpowering desires for an intensely celebrated culmination, and we subvert this by partaking from it prematurely.  The fulfilling of romantic desires before marriage is the direction of fornication, and this is shown throughout the rest of this paper. I say, let us no longer ask ourselves what sins have been achieved, but what directions have been conceived.

 

QNAs

 

H 5/4/25; 5/9/25

 

Why in the new testament it stops talking about the beauty of men and women?

What is the reference?

Could there be an element that inward beauty is now more valued?

But it's different, like it's not like it's saying there was Mary Jesus mother and she was beautiful. It doesn't seem to introduce people and say and yeah they were pretty

 

If you're not a beautiful person do you have to work harder at eclipsing that with virtue in order to be great.

 

Answer

 

Actually you might need to work harder as a beautiful person to escapes that luxury

Entitlement is a real danger with having beauty

We have to be careful about beauty complement

 

Next Questions

So if a beautiful person overcomes vanity and becomes virtuous is God then more excited to exalt them over an average looking virtuous person?

 

Answer

Absolutely not!

Jesus did not have beauty and that was a part of his extraordinary humility that resulted in his ultimate exaltation

Money, beauty, intelligence, and knowledge and similar benefits are approximately in the same category – morally speaking

 

Intelligence should not be confused with virtues like logic, prudence, and ….wisdom

 

It’s an absolutely virtueous thing to love your husbands after marriage

Their values are wrong because right in the center of that is entitlement because they are too beautiful

 

SoS Lessons: Righteous Married Woman

Lessons even singles should learn logically about their worth and identity when not even being married.

SOS is a historical reality that teach you moral truth

Women have a radically fundamentally scued view of value

In a certain sense women need value discipleship in marriage

A woman can take on the virtues associated with men. A virtuous woman is called a manish woman which is not the same as manly woman

Woman can turn in to receive the feminine virtues displayed in God with makes her override the limitations particular to women

A woman should have a deep mind in her diaphragm. Wisdom is feminine because it is associated with the diaphragm  (rib area) which is where woman was taken from

 

What I learned about marriage from 18 years of celibacy

 

The only thing holding you back from God is sin, unbelief, heresy

 

This is the exact same thing women are motivated by when they are estranged form their husbands and create prerequisites before resuming continual romance in marriage.

 

A celibate woman can sacrifice her beauty in several key aspects:

 

See: Righteous-Finances.htm#DirtyPampering

 

Wife’s Notes: Beautiful People

5/4/25; 5/9/25

Beautiful people in the Bible:

 

Eve, Gen 6 the daughters of men, Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Jacob's daughter Dinah, Joseph, David, Absalom, Abigail, Bathsheba, Abishag, Solomon's Shulamite, Vashti, Esther, Judith, Daniel, Job's 3 daughters, Job 31 a man has to make an eye covenant to not be drawn to women! (It doesn't say that of women to men), Judges 15 the better sister, Rahab, Ruth, Deut 21 the captive women, Saul, Tobit's wife, Susanna, Psalm 45 the king and queen's beauty, Psalm 44 sons are plants and daughters are adornments, Tamar (David's daughter), Absalom's daughter Tamar, Adonijah, Moses as a baby, David's brother Eliab, Israel's parable but then they used it for evil....1Cor 7 virgin at the "acme of her flower"

 

God made all things good, including people (Ecc_3:11)

But the beauty of women is more of a central theme and issue of critical management in the Bible than that of men. We can conclude this by seeing that the Bible spends more time, with more than twice as many examples, and with greater thematic emphasis of women's beauty

 

And now we have to be more careful with beauty since sin and defilement and corruption have entered the scene

Beauty is at the heart of danger

And many of the Biblical examples of beauty come with some sort of mishap or tragedy

 

The old testament has already established the parables of the human experience

And now the new testament focuses on teaching the point of the parables.

Romans 12 "the schema of this world" (the way that things work in this world) is passing away

 

Entitlement is a real danger with having beauty

If you are a "beautiful person" then you need to work harder at escaping the luxuries that come from that

We have to be careful about beauty compliments

What sticks in your head can distort your integrity

You don't have any moral advantage with being beautiful. You have less advantage

Jesus had no beauty to be desired, which was part of his extraordinary humility, which resulted in his ultimate exaltation

 

MONEY, BEAUTY, KNOWLEDGE

All these things, and similar benefits, are approximately in the same category, morally speaking

If you have lots of money, does God favor you more? Absolutely not!

If you have intelligence then does God favor you more? Absolutely not! (1 Cor - not many of you were wise according to the flesh when you were called and chosen for God's kingdom)

Btw, intelligence is not the same as logic, prudence, or wisdom

Many atheists are intelligent. That doesn't mean that intelligent people typically don't believe in God, but that rich people don't believe in God.

The same goes with beauty.

Beauty is not you giving over good, but that God is giving you good

The question of knowledge and beauty and so forth is the same question with money - how do you handle money?

 

What's good about money, beauty, intelligence, knowledge, etc is when you sacrifice it!

You're not blessed because of your circumstances; you're blessed because of your sacrifices

-Sarah called Abraham lord

-Sarah risked her life for Abraham (Sarah was fully zealous for marriage with Abraham, and she even threw down seed and didn't get complacent after marriage, but on the contrary, she leaned forward after marriage)

-Moses forsook the treasures

-Esther gave up her comforts and risked her life

 

What are some ways to sacrifice beauty in the new covenant?

-Actually love your spouse after getting married. Be more excited about romance after marriage than before. They did not slump in the Song of Songs. This is a sacrifice that is so well pleasing to God that it will prophecy about Anointed One and his Bride.

-Virginity/celibacy is a sacrifice of beauty

Pragmatic applications

Be clean but don't bathe too frequently (the early church even said no more than once a week)

Don't bathe more than there is an actual, practical, mechanical, actual valid need

It would be a sin for a single woman to bathe too much if she is not washing away a real threat to her health

Don't congratulate yourself with too much bathing

Marriage calls for more maintenance of freshness

If you're married then it would be a sin to not bathe enough

By nature, one does not celebrate one's own feminine beauty outside of marriage

You can have beauty within the home, but you don't adorn beauty facing away from marriage

Consider your hair maintenance, bathing, oils & lotions, pampering yourself, needing a lot of pillows, speaking of- do you even need a plush bed, looking at yourself in the mirror, your clothing, going out of your way to grow long long hair, having excessive shoes, matching your shoes with every outfit, being anti smells /smell phobia, etc

Ask the question how much do you HAVE TO do XYZ?

You're dangling over hell if you are doing more than is necessary

You're looking to be a handmaid, not a queen!

You shouldn't delight in pampering yourself, you should be seeking out how to humble yourself more & more

You shouldn't be feeding the feminine vain glory lusts

The early church had to repeatedly fight to remind women to have conservative values

 

Constantly use your beauty to serve another and love your spouse (physically and spiritually)

 

Estrangement happens because there is sin

If you die to sin then you will feel loved

If you repent of sin and if you get your sins sent away then you will all of a sudden feel loved

The only reason you don't feel loved is because you don't feel righteous

 

 

Thorny Beauty Separates

Beauty & Love Follow-up

5/4/25; 5/9/25

 

SEARCH

it is hard to enjoy beautiful a rose without thorns just as it is hard to enjoy a beautiful woman without horns

 

Why?

 

>>Scrip:

your sins have separated you from God

 

 

 

 

 

The Purpose of Beauty

5/4/25; 5/9/25; 5/14/25; 5/24/25

 

Comp. BDC > The Purpose of Beauty & RiFi > Feminine Luxury

 

 

Selfless Beauty

·         The purpose of beauty is for those who own it, not for yourself!

·         That’s why bathroom mirrors are called vanities...!

 

Mirrors in the Bible

>>Scrip:

GPT:

Exo_38:8 – The laver is made from the [sacrificial donations of the] mirrors of the women

Job_37:18 – The sky is compared to a cast metal mirror

Isa_3:23 – Mirrors are listed among the finery taken from the daughters of Zion

1Co_13:12 – We see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face

Jas_1:23 – A hearer of the word is like a man observing his face in a mirror

 

Mirrors could be part of a bathroom vanity because it could be used as vanity for ones self

 

In order to use beauty for yourself you have to introduce a mechanism, called a mirror, which can be used to defy the original purpose of beauty in order to use it for yourself.

 

If you are doing things right you have to use something for its originally intended purpose which can be called its natural use or the use of the nature of its intended purpose when it was first designed

 

This includes…

Rom_1:

1Co_11:

 

Using something for its natural use means honoring for the purpose it had from the beging/ how it was created.

 

If you use a mirror for something, like looking at yourself, it better not disarrange the original purpose that beauty was designed for, which is valuing those who own it.

 

Not to promote your own purposes which would be immorality.

 

What is okay to do with a mirror?

 

A mirror can be used by everyone, including unmarried people, for the purpose of keeping one’s own body clean and tidy, because this does not have beauty admiration as a goal.  Cleanness, for example, is a universal part of a woman’s parable for her entire life, which serves the purpose of her Creator who has called her to reflect this preoccupation with tedious purity.

 

This preoccupation with tedious physical purity does NOT include the dirty pampering of taking frequent baths outside of marriage, which is NOT morally clean, and risks hypocrisy (pretending the parable while defying the point) as a sinful luxury afforded to those who grant themselves leisure to please their own feelings, instead of maintaining a required base of physical purity, as discussed later in RiFi (righteous finances…)

 

Wife’s Mirror Thoughts

 

6/1/25

 

A New

10:39 PM

P thank you for conference today

I've been thinking a lot about the mirror dynamic and influence...

 

How differently would we females walk around without the common daily mirror? What would the average day be like without the normalizing of mirrors hung up all around in bathrooms and bedrooms, in the home and outside in public? How ought we to live without looking at ourselves in mirrors everyday as a default?

 

I would expect females to be far less insecure than they are now, as a whole. How much less would we notice imperfections in our face? I say face cuz it's easier to notice an issue in your arm or something; but something about the preoccupation with the face and also hair seems dangerous (seeing that God put particular boundaries there which prevents us from just easily looking & staring at those body parts without third party helps). Things that seem like problems or beauty blemishes to us females nowadays probably wouldn't have even been thought about much in antiquity (at least not by righteous people).

 

It sounds very neat to be able to preoccupy yourself with what your brother, or father, or son, or family member told you to address cuz they think it's actually a real problem (and not your own insecurity telling you something).

Example- 'hey, your face has a bump with blood coming out of it. You probably want to go help that out'. Oh thanks for letting me know!

10:49 PM

P How can I word the following guiding principle, to use as a measuring stick - If righteous men wouldn't think that this or that is a real beauty blemish (i.e. it's not worth a woman's preoccupation or a certain amount of attention give to it) then you're probably crossing a beauty boundary

11:04 PM

I wonder if we'll ever need to launch a freedom from mirrors campaign!

...

Living in community really is the ultimate way to survive.

I scratch your back; you scratch mines.

I do your hair; you do mines (especially if it will help cut down on the amount of mirrors used and any OCD tendencies with making ultra straight hair parts!)

I point out food in your beard; and you point out any real beauty blemishes on me.

One big happy family

 

Today

12:37 AM

I just finished reading the mirror verses in the Bible

 

I thought this was interesting:

Job_37:18 a molten mirror

Exo_38:8 bronze lavar of the tabernacle was made from the mirrors of the serving women

 

CoPilot:

In ancient times, mirrors were often made of polished bronze or other metals, rather than glass.

 

Ancient mirrors were not as clear as modern glass mirrors. Early civilizations used polished obsidian, bronze, copper, or silver to create reflective surfaces, but these materials produced darker, less accurate images compared to today’s mirrors.

 

How Ancient Mirrors Compared to Modern Ones

Obsidian Mirrors (6000 BCE)– Provided a dark, slightly blurry reflection. 

Polished Metal Mirrors (3000 BCE - Renaissance) – Used bronze, copper, or silver, but reflections were distorted and less sharp. 

Venetian Glass Mirrors (13th Century) – Introduced clearer reflections, leading to modern mirror technology. 

Silver-Backed Mirrors (1835)– Revolutionized mirror clarity, making reflections sharp and accurate. 

 

Ancient mirrors were functional but imperfect, often requiring constant polishing to maintain reflectivity. Today’s mirrors use glass with a reflective coating, providing crystal-clear images.

Hence- we see through a mirror dimly (1Co_13:12)?!!

 

1:01 AM

P How would you tie in Jam_1:23-25?

Sounds like the purpose and function of a mirror is not to notice and obsess over all your physical imperfections (seeing that when biblical people referenced mirrors they were referring to obscured reflective objects). And of course it already goes without saying that mirrors are not for the purpose of admiring yourself as the women who were judged in Isa_3:23). But according to James 1 is the purpose of a mirror to look at something in obscurity, and enigmatically, and thru this to remember your overall reflection? And, as a spiritual provocation reminder, to consider who you're supposed to really be?

 

Btw, I would love to read thru the whole chapter of James 1 for conference

 

 

Essential Virtue

We’ve got to be fully engaged in the righteous virtue power of the New Covenant to write God's law on our hearts and do by nature the very essence of what God has revealed to us.

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Rom_2:14 NKJV

for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,

Rom_2:14 SBL

Ὅταν γὰρ ἔθνη τὰ μὴ νόμον ἔχοντα φύσει τὰ τοῦ νόμου ποιῶσιν, οὗτοι νόμον μὴ ἔχοντες ἑαυτοῖς εἰσὶν νόμος,

Rom_2:14 ||BA φύσει | TS φύσιν|| τὰ τοῦ νόμου ποιῶσιν…

Rom_2:15 NKJV

who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)

 

Heb_8:10 NKJV

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Heb_8:10 SBL

ὅτι αὕτη ἡ διαθήκη ἣν διαθήσομαι τῷ οἴκῳ Ἰσραὴλ μετὰ τὰς ἡμέρας ἐκείνας, λέγει κύριος, διδοὺς νόμους μου εἰς τὴν διάνοιαν αὐτῶν, καὶ ἐπὶ καρδίας αὐτῶν ἐπιγράψω αὐτούς· καὶ ἔσομαι αὐτοῖς εἰς θεόν, καὶ αὐτοὶ ἔσονταί μοι εἰς λαόν·

 

The Point: if we use beauty for what it was made for then it will fulfill God’s law written on our hearts.

There is a lot at stake in the realm of luxury and selfishness and vanity and indulgence when it comes to the orthodox true righteous virtuous moral biblical purpose of beauty.

 

Beauty’s Purpose, Not Beauty’s Amount

Not how much beauty you have but whether or not you serve its purpose with its usage.

Beauty Sanctification is about Honoring its Purpose, Not Having more Amount

·         More Faithfulness, Not More Opportunities: The Moral Management of good things is based on the meaning and purpose you use it for, not the amount of any resource you have.

·         Protect the Purpose: Weather beauty is there in your youth or it is diminished in your age, the glory and potential future glory of your body should be reserved for its original and ultimate purpose.

·         Beauty for earthly marriage & heavenly marriage are compatible

·         Beauty for earthly Prostitution is incompatible with Beauty’s Purpose

 

If your body was “your own” then could use it to please yourself, but because it is not yours therefore personal sexual activity is a sexual crime of sexual murder which earns hell, and the exact same principles that apply in the extreme with PSA also govern the rules for the visual requirements of purity when managing your beauty and all of the goodnesses of your body

 

It is very dangerous to use beauty and elaborate and pamper beauty as a single person without a specific determined target of marriage, just like it is always dreadfully dangerous to look at yourself in the mirror and elaborate your beauty for purposes other than marriage…

 

As Paul said to the Corinthians…

 

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Man is judged by what he has not by what he doesn’t have

 

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1Co_6:19-20

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies

 

Rom_14:7-8

For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

 

1Ki_18:15 as the Lord Almighty lives whom I serve

Act_27:23 God to whom I belong and whom I serve

 

Jer_13:1 son of man go and put a girdle on put it on your loins don't put it in water

 

The redemptive use of your life including the goodness of your beauty is not measured based on how much resources of goodness you have, such as how beautiful you are, but how faithful you are to take whatever resources you have and use them as sacrifices for the purpose of the kingdom of heaven.

 

If you are single, this is going to mean a lot of self-denial and sacrifice, and if you are married it’s going to mean using your beautiful resources as opportunities to glorify God’s parable of marriage as the Shulamite did to Solomon in the song of songs and other righteous exciting matriarchs did to throw themselves into the genealogy of Anointed One Himself through glorious virtues and sizzling romance.

 

The Point: We’re talking about the quality of your faithfulness not the quantity of your resources – when it comes to beauty and using it for the right purpose.

 

Beauty for Husband

A Woman’s Beauty is for her Husband in MARRIAGE!

5/14/25; 5/18/25; 5/25/25; 6/1/25; 6/6/25-6/8/25; 6/13/25

 

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If A Woman’s Beauty is for her Husband, then all intentional display of beauty in public is immodest sexual sin -- which is visual prostitution and adultery.

 

(We’re starting off with several previews to help the listener get the basic idea, and then hopefully moving into the actual proof of this morality as we keep going (Lord willing)…)

 

Previews: Hidden from Prostitution; Preserved for Marriage

Clean Purity of Modesty Covers Personal Beauty & Holy-ifys it’s Full Enjoyment for Marriage Alone

GPT: A Woman’s Beauty is Sanctified for Her Husband Alone -- Core Biblical Logic

5/14/25; 5/18/25; 5/25/25; 6/7/25

 

Modesty Protects Beauty for Marriage

 

Modestly Cover & Hide Beauty-Purity for Husband

Serious (Biblical) Modesty Comprehensively

·         (A) Covers and hides the shame of a woman's bodily and personal beauty nakedness, by…

·         (B) Fully clothing the sexual features of the body, hair, and face from being seen publically (Mat_5:27-30 (2Pe_2:14); Mat_15:19/Mar_7:21 (Pro_4:23); Pro_6:25; Pro_27:20; Isa_3:16; Job_31:1; etc.), which…

·         (C) Keeps the purity of her personable beauty off limits to society, which…

·         (D) Guards against and contradicts the condemned sexual sins of visual and physical prostitution and adultery, which…

·         (E) Protects her beauty from all others, and…

·         (F) Preserves her personal bodily beauty for the full enjoyment of her husband alone.

 

Since modesty exists in the Bible (not really/necessarily in modern cultures), and inherently, by definition, covers and hides a woman's personal beauty from being shown and visually enjoyed by all others in public, and is required for salvation, and is the opposite of sexual crimes that earn hell, and marriage is the only holy and righteous place to enjoy this personal beauty, therefore Biblical modesty clearly, definitively, authoritatively, morally, Biblically, righteously, and scientifically proves that fully enjoying a woman's personal beauty belongs only to her husband alone, and showing it off publically is sexual sin which earns hell.

 

The married husband is inside of marriage, and therefore what is protected and hidden to society is given exclusively to him.

This is the special holiness of marriage, which gives personal beauty and the sacredness of the body to only one exclusive Biblically-valid covenant partner for life.

 

The Point: Modesty Hides Beauty from Prostitution & Preserves & Protects it for Marriage Alone.

 

Now we need to consider previews of each of these pieces of modesty…

 

Modesty Exists = Hiding Beauty in Public

Submit to the Moral Facts of Reality

Modesty exists: Modesty hides beauty nakedness, including bodily sexual features from being seen publicly.

There is no such thing as modesty or purity outside of hiding the beauty (or potential beauty) of sexual features in the Bible.

 

Body Modesty Required

When the gender features of the body are displayed and or otherwise interacted with outside of appropriate family members this is a sexual murder sin that destroys the gender of the body which God created.

 

Hair & Face Beauty Are Included -- in Required Modesty

A woman's hair and face are included within required modesty in similar ways, with their own particular boundaries against public display, along with the rest of her gender-specific body (as seen above and below).

(Hair and face beauty are included within required modesty, with slightly different boundaries)

 

Visual Prostitution Condemned

Jesus and the rest of the Bible condemn the visual prostitution and or adultery of the eyes and heart (Mat_5:27-30; Mat_15:19; etc.) for those who publicly show a woman's beauty in public, since (this is key, by default) matured beauty solicits and demands admiring the personal goodness of a woman's gender beauty (Pro_6:25; Pro_27:20; etc.), and that will happen outside of marriage, unless otherwise carefully guarded against.

 

Personable Enjoyment for Marriage

The full enjoyment of a woman's personal beauty is illegal and off limits to all others besides her husband.

Both physically and visually, enjoying personal beauty outside of marriage is called prostitution and adultery and is otherwise only allowed, praised, celebrated, and commended and enjoyed inside of marriage with praises of holiness and righteous celebration.

 

Modesty & Marriage Prove Husband’s Exclusivity

Biblical Modesty and Purity’s absolute exclusivity of holy marriage in the Bible clearly and absolutely proves that a woman's personal beauty is only for her husband.

 

Beauty for Marriage, NOT Prostitution!

Woman’s Beauty is Holy for Marriage

 was Made for Husband

[Overseer’s Initial Summaries:]

·         Woman was created for husband (Gen_2:; I will make a helpmate, it is not good for man to be alone 1Co_11:9), which includes the beauty of her body and her hair and her face (Song of Songs; 1 Corinthians 11, etc.), which is made holy, or sanctified (Hebrew: kedushin) exclusively for her husband through the marriage covenant (Mal_2:14), and therefore is only given and ‘permitted to him alone’ (as the Jews say) for full enjoyment, and no one else is allowed to lust after or even personally admire her beauty to enjoy admiration of it, which is called adultery in Mat_5:27-30.

[GPT’s Responses:]

·         GPT: her beauty (hair, face, body) is part of her being given to her husband in marriage, made holy to him alone

·         GPT: The Hebrew concept of קדושין (kedushin, “sanctification”) means the woman becomes set apart—not public, not for society. Her beauty belongs exclusively to her husband within the covenant.

·         GPT: The Bible praises private beauty, not public display.

·         GPT: Song of Songs is filled with descriptions of beauty—but in private, between husband and wife. Nowhere does the Bible praise women for public beauty displays.

[Overseer’s Concluding Response:]

·         The Bible condemns women who show off and murder their beauty in public -- which are ultimately judged and destroyed as the End Times rebels of “Jezebel” and her apostate culture of big-time adulteress-harlots.

 

 

Modesty Exists!

Modesty is Commanded -- Especially for Women

·         Modesty Commanded: The visual modesty of clothing that hides the sexual features of the body is commanded all throughout the Bible.

·         Clothes Defined: From Hebrew to Greek, clothing is made to ‘fill in the hollows’ and hide the curves and beautiful features of the human body.

·         Exclusivity: The body is not for any indulgence of gender pleasure outside of marriage (prostitution, fornication, adultery), but only for God and His use (including marriage).

·         Men & Women: The Bible requires modesty for both men and women.

·         Extra for Women: Extra Modesty is especially commanded for women.

·         Women’s Clothes: Women are commanded to dress modestly, with a long dress and hiddenness (KJV: shamefacedness) in public (1Ti_2).

·         Women More Than Men: Female modesty is required even more than men with purity requirements like head coverings (Num_5; 1Co_11), which cover the beauty of the hair and the face, and a dress that goes all the way down to the feet, covering the body of women even more than men, as seen in 1st Timothy 2.

·         Prepared for Hiddenness: Women are specifically commanded to prepare themselves in modesty for the goal of non-perception (shamefacedness) when going in public in 1st Timothy 2.

 

Don't forget the clear and obvious reality that modesty exists…

The very simple fact that modesty is required for women even more than men when they go in public very plainly and simply shows that beauty does not belong to other people outside of her family or "household".

 

GPT Response/Summary: The very existence of a modest dress code for women shows that her beauty is not public property. What is required to be covered is obviously not meant to be seen. What is not for display is not for others to enjoy.

 

Modesty Includes Hair & Face

 

Glorious Hair

1Co_11:15 says a woman's hair is a glory to her, and in the Bible such glory is paralleled with “beauty”, therefore 1Co_11:15 is declaring long hair to be gloriously beautiful for a woman, and in this very context it teaches her to cover what is glorious and beautiful, and not to expose and shame (devalue and profane) the beautiful Glory, because such hate crimes deserve the punishment of a haircut, but instead woman must cover her beautiful hair in honor and in the fear and reverence of God towards sexual purity.

 

SEARCH

list all of the examples throughout the Bible where glory is paralleled with beauty showing that both words are used to describe each other

 

GPT:

Honor demands exclusivity.
Just as sexual intimacy is exclusive to marriage, visual intimacy (such as the beauty of the body and face) should also be exclusive. Public exposure dishonors the husband’s rightful place.

 

Sexual Sins of Nakedness

·         Sins of shame and nakedness are committed when showing off the beauty of the body in public.

·         Even looking with lust is adultery (Mat_5:28) not just the physical sin-crime (or act).

·         Displaying beauty that includes lust or even admiration of beauty (by the opposite gender, that has an active sexual dynamic to it) is adultery and leads to hell (Mat_5:29-30; Pro_6:25; Pro_27:20)

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GPT:

The eyes are gateways to the heart.
Since Jesus condemns lust via the eyes (Mat
_5:28), the biblical path is not to tempt, expose, or give access. Beauty that draws attention opens the gate to others’ hearts—this is spiritually dangerous.

 

2Sa_11:2

 

A House to Cover Shame -- Defines Beauty’s Purpose

…5/9/25

 

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Sir_29:21 – Sirach: the necessities of life include a house to cover shame

Sirach_29:21 NKJV  The chief things for life are water, bread, clothing, and a house to cover shame.

 

A house to cover shame includes the beauty that doesn’t belong in public.

 

Beauty Belongs Indoors

·         Public is not the place for a woman’s beauty, a HOUSE is.

·         Bodily shame, including troubling the beauty of the head, happens when Beauty is devalued by being defiled and consumed outside of its holy context of the Home.

·         Beauty belongs in the HOUSE, including a woman’s house-hold.

·         'Household relationships' are described all throughout the Bible, so this is a morally valid Biblical terminology to speak in.

 

The Point: Beauty is for your household.

The shameful exposure of it is off limits to society.

 

From Family to Husband

·         No Public Access: A woman's beauty is not allowed for society, but only for her family and especially for her husband.

·         Family Protection: When humans are not part of a Harlot-culture, a woman’s immediate family has been sanctified and naturally trained to protect and preserve her beauty and purity for her husband. (the potency of family purity)

·         Family Immunity: A woman’s family has been specifically and specially trained by nature to only enjoy her beauty on a surface level, in a non-personable way, without personally engaging in the sexual bodily intimacy of her beauty, so that it can be carefully guarded, preserved, and protected for a Biblically lawful husband to fully enjoy the bonding process of being bodily united to a wife while also making babies.

 

This is exactly why 1Ti_5:1-2 says to treat younger women as sisters…

It is referencing family immunity and family protection to not allow any activation of sexuality until marriage.

 

This command is regarding a regulation for a spiritual community of believers and it references a natural phenomenon within a physical family as the protective standard to apply to the females within the community, not specifying a need for purity amongst elder men, younger men, or elder women, but clearly and definitively saying that they need to relate to new women as sisters all holy purity – the obvious explicit emphasis on extra needs for younger women is unmistakable and is explicitly based on family immunity.

 

Paul both says that you need to treat younger women as sisters which means you are not allowed to relate to them on a personable gender level, and then if that were not enough he clinches in on purity by specifying in all holy purity.

 

If there was any question if Paul wanted to you to love the younger females in the spiritual assembly, he obviously does. If there is any question whether he allows any room for scandals, he obviously doesn’t.

 

Younger women actually is more like saying women who are new to the human species or relatively new, which means they might still have a certain naivety or inexperience when grappling with the temptations of lust and the needs for weighty seriousness and purity.

 

And the words for treating younger women as sisters with all holy purity is actually very similar and almost the same to the word for holiness, which makes its way more directly into English if we could have a gentle revolution to bring back the word chastity, that would actually do the human race good because that’s the holy purity that Paul was talking about. The idea of chastity and the idea of holy purity is an absolute inactivity of sexual indulgence and preservation of all gender excitement, protected inside the privacy of oneself until marriage with no activity or activation until marriage.

 

Guarding the Garden for an Ultimate Guardian

…5/25/25

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Son_8:9 – We will enclose her with boards of cedar

Song_8:9 NKJV

If she is a wall, We will build upon her A battlement of silver; And if she is a door, We will enclose her With boards of cedar.

 

Notice that she is being closed into a house – with boards of cedar!

Last I checked women were not well known for breaking through boards, much less boards of cedar…

Comp. with Sir_: a wayward woman needs to be restricted and confined

 

Comp. Gen_34:  the brothers were zealous to guard their sister Dinah

 

 

>>>Read & Summarise!:

1Ti_2:9-10 – women dressed in hiddenness for public interaction and presentation

·         1Ti_2:9 commands aidos (αἰδώς), non-perception-ness (GPT: which includes modesty, reverence, shamefacedness) which particularly avoids perception.

 

 

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Son_4:12 – a garden enclosed & sealed fountain is my sister my spouse

 

Son_7:13 – Many things I have laid up for you

Son_7:13 WEB  The mandrakes give forth fragrance. At our doors are all kinds of precious fruits, new and old, which I have stored up for you, my beloved.

Son_7:13 LB  The mandrakes have given a smell, and at our doors are all kinds of choice fruits, new and old. O my kinsman, I have kept them for you.

Son_7:13  (7:14) οἱ μανδραγόραι ἔδωκαν ὀσμήν, καὶ ἐπὶ θύραις ἡμῶν πάντα ἀκρόδρυα, νέα πρὸς παλαιά, ἀδελφιδέ μου, ἐτήρησά σοι.

 

Rev_3:18 – avoid walking without clothes!

(Yes, that is an issue with beauty in general, as we’ve already proven, not just below the neck)

 

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Exclusive Marriage Context: Noticed that the rest of Song of Songs is spousal admiration book, while closing off this pleasure to the rest of the human race.

 

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Hidden for Marriage: Hiding beauty is one of the essential elements of guarding a woman until she is "spoken for" (Son_8:8-9; Hos_2:19-20; etc.) and picked up () by another guardian - her husband.

 

Willful Purity: A righteous woman owns this personally as her own integrity and vital self-concept of needed righteousness:

 

Tit_2:4 – admonish young women to love their husbands to be discreet homemakers obedient to their own husbands.

 

Body is ‘for’ the Lord

 

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1Co_6:13 – The body is not for prostitution but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body

1Co_6:13 NKJV  Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

 

1Co_6:13  CAB  Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both this stomach and these foods. Now the body is not for fornication [τὸ δὲ σῶμα οὐ τῇ πορνείᾳ], but for the Lord [τῷ Κυρίῳ], and the Lord for the body [Κύριος τῷ σώματι].

1Co_6:13  τὰ βρώματα τῇ κοιλίᾳ καὶ ἡ κοιλία τοῖς βρώμασιν· ὁ δὲ Θεὸς καὶ ταύτην καὶ ταῦτα καταργήσει. τὸ δὲ σῶμα οὐ τῇ πορνείᾳ, ἀλλὰ τῷ Κυρίῳ, καὶ ὁ Κύριος τῷ σώματι·

√ GNT-V

 

That clearly proves you are not allowed to show off your beauty in public

It doesn’t matter that a Heckler is going to deny reality and pretend like that doesn’t prove that you have to keep your beauty private, since the Bible has already established that

 

Remember…

Pro_7:10 WEB  Behold, there a woman met him with the attire of a prostitute, and with crafty intent.

Pro_7:10 LB  and the woman meets him having the appearance of a harlot [εἶδος ἔχουσα πορνικόν], that causes the hearts of young men to flutter.

Pro_7:10  ἡ δὲ γυνὴ συναντᾷ αὐτῷ, εἶδος ἔχουσα πορνικόν, ἣ ποιεῖ νέων ἐξίπτασθαι καρδίας.

 

TSK on Pro_7:10: the attire: Gen_38:14, Gen_38:15, 2Ki_9:22, 2Ki_9:30, Isa_3:16-24, Isa_23:16, Jer_4:30, 1Ti_2:9, Rev_17:3-5

 

Remember…

Prostitute / Harlot / Fornicator = SAME WORD (reminder)

 

When Paul says the body is not for prostitution, that includes the clothing of a prostitute that shows off a woman’s beauty in public, and if a harlot culture church person says that doesn’t include her face hair and eyes we’ve already shown that modesty includes hair face and eyes!

 

It doesn’t matter if a a denialist church person says that this verse doesn’t prove that you have to wear clothes in public, because you’ve already seen that it does and anyone can read the preceding verses and the following verses to see that this is very clearly proven and established.

 

Flee prostitution! (1Co_6:18) ≈ Flee immodesty! (seen above and below) -- SAME Teaching!

 

The Point: The body is for the Lord, and not for showing beauty in public -- that is it’s not for prosecution

 

Comp. Body is for the Lord & Women is for Man

 

Women is ‘for’ Man

Women's Beauty is for Man, NOT Herself!

5/4/25

 

1Co_11:9 – Man was not created for women but women for man

1Co_11:9 NKJV  Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.

(1Ti_2: woman created after man)

 

1Co_11:8  CAB  For man is not from [ἐκ – out of] woman, but woman from man.

1Co_11:8  οὐ γάρ ἐστιν ἀνὴρ ἐκ γυναικός, ἀλλὰ γυνὴ ἐξ ἀνδρός·

1Co_11:9  Nor was man created for [διὰ – through (because of/on account of)] the woman, but woman for [διὰ] the man.

1Co_11:9  καὶ γὰρ οὐκ ἐκτίσθη ἀνὴρ διὰ τὴν γυναῖκα, ἀλλὰ γυνὴ διὰ τὸν ἄνδρα.

1Co_11:10 Because of [διὰ] this, the woman ought to have a symbol of authority upon her head, because of [διὰ] the angels.

1Co_11:10  διὰ τοῦτο ὀφείλει ἡ γυνὴ ἐξουσίαν ἔχειν ἐπὶ τῆς κεφαλῆς διὰ τοὺς ἀγγέλους.

√ GNT-V

 

A confused ignorant person will say, ‘wait a minute! I thought you said the body was for the Lord, and now you’re saying it’s for man!?’ -- exactly!

‘So Is it for the Lord or is it for man?’

Answer: “Yes!”

If you don’t understand, you’re not obeying the Bible yet…

 

A woman's beauty is not for herself! – it’s For the man whom she was created for -- on Earth and ultimately in heaven.

 

Comp. Body is for the Lord & Women is for Man

 

Pro_5:18-19 – exclusively rejoice in goodness of wife (reminder, as quoted below…)

NOT his neighbor’s wife! -- That would be (the deadly sin of) coveting.

 

Notice that you’re not logically allowed to introduce and add another purpose into this original purpose, so as to profane your beauty’s purpose for others, and you’re not even allowed to add in your own pleasure!

 

The Point: Stop showing beauty in public, but reserve it for (1) the Lord (1Co_6:13) and (2) your husband (1Co_11:9) whom it was made for.

 

Covenant Makes all the Difference…

 

Mal_2:14 – she is your companion and wife by covenant

 

We see that the marriage covenant makes all the difference between immorality and sacred marriage...

 

Covenant makes an otherwise “stranger” into a wife’s Lord Husband who owns her…

 

Lord Husband: Owns Woman -- Genesis, Psalms, & Peter

 

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Gen_3:16 – Your desire will be for your husband & he will Lord you

Gen_3:16 NKJV  To the woman He said: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.”

 

Psa_45:11 – the king will greatly desire your beauty because he is your lord bow before him

Gen_18:12; 1Pe_3:6 – Sarah called Abraham Lord

 

Peter is saying that Sarah’s confession was a good confession for women to imitate and charges women to be her daughters by…. Includes calling their husbands lord

 

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Gen_18:12 NKJV Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, “After I have grown old, shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?”

1Pe_3:6 NKJV as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror.

 

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Lord-ship implies ownership all throughout the Bible.

 

Lord-husband (Gen_3:16; Psa_45:11; Gen_18:12; 1Pe_3:6; etc.) reinforces a husbands ownership of his wife’s body (as seen in 1Co_7:3-4, etc.)

 

Notice the lordship link from Psa_45:11 that goes all the way back to Genesis lordship, and this is one of the most romantic Psalms in the Bible.

Reckless worldly perverts today think their perverted sassy independence and the dirty confidence of a harlot are going to contribute anything toward a happy marriage or ultimate romantic excitement and or compatibility...

 

The Marital Debt -- of Beauty

 

1Co_7:3-4 – give over to your spouse what is owed

 

It is both mutual and exclusive

 

A woman passes from “off limits” to required intimacy (in 1Co_7:3-4) through a valid binding marriage covenant (Mal_2:14).

 

Justice of Giving Beauty to Husband

·         Debt-Paying Beauty: Giving “what is owed” includes beauty because it includes your body being given over to your spouse as a debt, and we also know this from the following context (not to mention the preceding context of Deuteronomy 21 when it talks about a slave wife’s rights…)

·         Giving Goodness: This is a marital debt to give over goodness, with no authority over your own body.

·         To Husband: This is saying that the goodness of a woman's beauty and appealing luxurious pleasures to be given over to her husband.

·         Pandemic: this is addressing the most core relevant pressing urgent vital neglected needs among marriages.

·         Neglecting these marital beauty-pleasure debts is by far one of the most treacherous sin crime against marriage going on today, and apparently has always been an increasing issue in liberalizing societies.

·         Exclusivity: If beauty then is given over to a husband as a marital debt within the resources of his wife’s body, it is therefore is not possible to lawfully give it over to anyone else besides her husband to whom she owes it.

·         No Leftovers: After your body does not belong to you but to your spouse, therefore you have nothing leftover to give outside of marriage to others, including not even to yourself.

·         Do you understand it is extremely dangerous to pamper yourself outside of marriage – because you are risking indulging in beauty outside of marriage which only belongs to your spouse

 

The Point: Pay the Beauty-marriage-debt to YOUR SPOUSE! -- & no one else

 

[Don’t forget the house-to-husband principle that confines the boundaries of protecting the holiness of beauty’s purpose.]

 

For Husband Alone!

 

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Pro_5:17 – Let her be for you alone and no other

Pro_5:17 NKJV

Let them be only your own, And not for strangers with you.

 

Pro_5:15 WEB  Drink water out of your own cistern, running water out of your own well.

Pro_5:15 CAB  Drink waters out of your own vessels, and out of your own springing wells.

Pro_5:15  πῖνε ὕδατα ἀπὸ σῶν ἀγγείων καὶ ἀπὸ σῶν φρεάτων πηγῆς.

Pro_5:16 WEB  Should your springs overflow in the streets, streams of water in the public squares?

Pro_5:16 Do not let waters out of your fountain be spilled by you, but let your waters go into your streets.

Pro_5:16  μὴ ὑπερεκχείσθω σοι τὰ ὕδατα ἐκ τῆς σῆς πηγῆς, εἰς δὲ σὰς πλατείας διαπορευέσθω τὰ σὰ ὕδατα·

Pro_5:17 WEB  Let them be for yourself alone, not for strangers with you.

Pro_5:17 Let them be yours alone, and let no stranger partake with you.

Pro_5:17  ἔστω σοι μόνῳ ὑπάρχοντα, καὶ μηδεὶς ἀλλότριος μετασχέτω σοι·

Pro_5:18 WEB  Let your spring be blessed. Rejoice in the wife of your youth.

Pro_5:18 Let your fountain of water be truly your own, and rejoice with the wife of your youth.

Pro_5:18  ἡ πηγή σου τοῦ ὕδατος ἔστω σοι ἰδία, καὶ συνευφραίνου μετὰ γυναικὸς τῆς ἐκ νεότητός σου.

Pro_5:19 WEB  A loving doe and a graceful deer-- let her breasts satisfy you at all times. Be captivated always with her love.

Pro_5:19 Let your loving deer and your graceful colt company with you, and let her be considered your own, and be with you at all times, for ravished with her love you shall be greatly increased.

Pro_5:19  ἔλαφος φιλίας καὶ πῶλος σῶν χαρίτων ὁμιλείτω σοι, ἡ δὲ ἰδία ἡγείσθω σου καὶ συνέστω σοι ἐν παντὶ καιρῷ ἐν γὰρ τῇ ταύτης φιλίᾳ συμπεριφερόμενος πολλοστὸς ἔσῃ.

Pro_5:20 WEB  For why should you, my son, be captivated with an adulteress? Why embrace the bosom of another?

Pro_5:20 Do not be intimate with a strange woman, neither fold yourself in the arms of a woman not your own.

Pro_5:20  μὴ πολὺς ἴσθι πρὸς ἀλλοτρίαν μηδὲ συνέχου ἀγκάλαις τῆς μὴ ἰδίας·

 

Exclusive Ownership is the critical factor here!

 

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Son_4:12 – a garden enclosed & sealed fountain is my sister my spouse

An enclosed & sealed garden-fountain = a man rejoicing over his exclusive wife

 

That’s why modesty exists for all others (i.e. prostitution)

 

 

Crown or Curse?

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Question: why is it that “woman’s beauty is vain” in Pro_31:30 (CAB)?

 

Why? Especially when…

 

Pro_12:4 – a woman is a crown of her husband

 

What is a woman’s beauty for? Is she to crown herself? No! It is to crown her king-husband alone!

 

A Worthless Crown?

·         How can beauty be a crown and it can also be called worthless in the Bible?

·         Are crowns supposed to be simultaniously worthless?

 

Vashti’s Example of Failure

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Est_1:11-12 – Vashti refused to show her crowned (non-personal) beauty, and was justly banished

(Showing “Crowned beauty” evidently included ornate glorious clothing, as seen with Judith and similar examples.)

Est_1:11-12 NKJV  to bring Queen Vashti before the king, wearing her royal crown, in order to show her beauty to the people and the officials, for she was beautiful to behold.

But Queen Vashti refused to come at the king’s command brought by his eunuchs; therefore the king was furious, and his anger burned within him.

Est_1:19 NKJV

If it pleases the king, let a royal decree go out from him, and let it be recorded in the laws of the Persians and the Medes, so that it will not be altered, that Vashti shall come no more before King Ahasuerus; and let the king give her royal position to another who is better than she.

 

Vashti Was Selfish

Vashti used her beauty for herself and refused to crown her honorable king husband.

 

Misinterpreting Vashti

We wrongly assume that showing personal (bodily) beauty was the proper goal when reading stories like this.
She was to show off crowned beauty, not the personal beauty of her body.

This is the same dynamic with Judith.

 

There is a difference between crowned beauty, which is in the realm of clothing, and a woman’s personal beauty, which is in the realm of “showing off” bodily lust without proper clothing.

 

Ester Surpassed Vashti

Crowned clothing beauty is fitting for a queen in this life. – like Ester, who took Vashti’s crown.

This directly would imply that Esther, in contrast to Vashti, was willing to use her crowned beauty to be a crown for her husband -- the honorable imperial king himself.

Esther got the crown put on her instead of vashti

 

Dressing Up WithOUT Sin -- Valid Social Extravegence

Clothing beauty can be socially appropriate for a wedding, where non-family members can be present – even though Mennonites seem to not have gotten the newsflash that the Bible universally approves of women having jewels at their wedding.

 

If you’re a queen beside a king, or if you’re a bride getting married to a husband, no one says I wish and hope I could get to dance with that beauty queen -- they’re only impressed with how much that crowned beauty honors the husband next to her, and how HE Alone gets to enjoy her very own personal beauty in addition to her crowned clothing beauty as well.

 

Dressing Up WITH Sin

Women’s public adornment would be wrong to do in the middle of society, as if she were available to acquire in the middle of the market along with all of the other food men are prone to buy, and this is especially inappropriate for bond slaves of Anointed One, who are not only supposed to surpass all others in chastity, but furthermore have no glorious city here in this life.

 

(The New Covenant is more focused on self-denial than anything in the Old Covenant ever used to be.)

 

So…

 

Beauty Is Vain -- When?

Pro_31:30 WEB  Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain H1892 [Heb = Ecclesiastes]; but a woman who fears Yahweh, she shall be praised.

Pro_31:30 CAB  Charms are false [ψευδεῖς ἀρέσκειαι], and woman’s beauty is vain [μάταιον κάλλος γυναικός]: for it is a wise woman that is blessed, and let her praise the fear the Lord.

Pro_31:30  ψευδεῖς ἀρέσκειαι καὶ μάταιον κάλλος γυναικός· γυνὴ γὰρ συνετὴ εὐλογεῖται, φόβον δὲ κυρίου αὕτη αἰνείτω.

 

False-deceitful is paralleled with vain beauty.

Beauty is therefore as vain as falsehood.

Beauty is vain when it is paralleled with falsehood.

But is this an absolute demotion of all beauty, or is this judgement against beauty just in the context of deception?

We’ve seen that beauty can be good, so why is it bad in cases like this?

 

Vain in Hebrew:

WS on H1892 ֶהֶבל

heḇel: A common noun referring to vanity, emptiness, meaninglessness; idols. The word is used seventy times, thirty-five of these are in Ecclesiastes. It refers to breath because of its transitory fleeting character (Isa_57:13) and is used as a symbol for life (Job_7:16). It refers to the vanity and ultimate emptiness and meaninglessness of all things in this life, whether they seem good or bad (Ecc_1:2, Ecc_1:14; Ecc_2:11, Ecc_2:15, Ecc_3:19; Ecc_4:4, Ecc_4:7-8; Ecc_5:7 [6]; Ecc_6:2, Ecc_6:4, Ecc_6:9; Ecc_7:6, Ecc_7:15; Ecc_8:10; Ecc_9:9; Ecc_11:8). Combined with itself in the plural, it means absolute meaninglessness (Ecc_1:2). Idols and the vain religious customs associated with them are all delusions (Jer_10:3, Jer_10:15). It denotes an empty, vain life (Ecc_6:12). Used with the verb hāḇal, it means to carry out vain talk or action or what is empty (Job_27:12). As an adverb, it means to talk in vain, emptily (Job_35:16). To walk after heḇel means to go after or follow vanity (2Ki_17:15; Jer_2:5). Anything obtained through evil is vain, such as wealth (Pro_13:11).

 

This emptiness of deceitful vain beauty can be best explained in the preceding wisdom context:

 

Pro_11:22 WEB  Like a gold ring in a pig's snout, is a beautiful woman who lacks discretion.

Pro_11:22  LB  As an ornament in a swine’s snout, so is [οὕτως] beauty to an ill-minded [κακόφρονι κάλλος] woman.

Pro_11:22  ὥσπερ ἐνώτιον ἐν ῥινὶ ὑός, οὕτως γυναικὶ κακόφρονι κάλλος.

 

TSK Enhanced:

a jewel: Pro_31:30, Eze_16:15-22, Nah_3:4-6 (seducing witch-prostitute), 1Pe_3:3-4, 2Pe_2:22 (pig returns to dirtiness)

is without: Heb. departed from, Pro_7:10 (dressed as a prostitute), Pro_9:13

 

Sin Makes Beauty Vain

This preceding wisdom context reinforces that the presence of sin in beauty makes the gift of a woman’s goodness into a stinky abomination (as also powerfully reinforced in these cross references)

 

So…

How does this vain Selfish Beauty practically affect women?

It makes them vain, useless, and empty!

Are women tempted to use beauty outside of marriage & even for themselves?

Will you survive judgement if you take pleasure in empty vanity?

How should the righteous ‘save themselves and their hearers’ (1Ti_4:16) from the cursed sins of empty-vain beauty?

 

The Point: Beauty itself is “useless”, fleeting (Hebrew), or “useless-vain” (Greek), and this “vanity” and will send you to hell like all sins of vanity unless you fill beauty’s uselssness with its original lawful righteous purpose -- put substance (for Lord & Husband) inside of the inherent uselessness of beauty to save yourself and your hearers (1Ti_4:16) from this cursed vanity of unchecked beauty.

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1Ti_4:16 – Save yourself and those who hear you

1Ti_4:16 NKJV Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

 

Beauty Elaboration Only for Marriage!

[5/4/25; 5/9/25; 5/14/25; 5/18/25; 6/13/25-6/14/25; 6/19/25-6/22/25]

 

In contrast to the default of social abstinence and self-denial of the unmarried, righteous Beauty-Elaboration only starts for the righteous when it’s time for Marriage

 

Default: You’re Not a Queen, So DON’T Dress Up Like One!

1Co_1:26 CAB  For you see your calling, brothers, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many powerful, not many noble [εὐγενεῖς], are called.

1Co_1:26  Βλέπετε γὰρ τὴν κλῆσιν ὑμῶν, ἀδελφοί, ὅτι οὐ πολλοὶ σοφοὶ κατὰ σάρκα, οὐ πολλοὶ δυνατοί, οὐ πολλοὶ εὐγενεῖς,

1Co_1:27 But God chose the foolish things of the world in order that He might humiliate the wise, and God chose the weak things of the world in order that He might humiliate the mighty.

1Co_1:27  ἀλλὰ τὰ μωρὰ τοῦ κόσμου ἐξελέξατο ὁ Θεὸς ἵνα τοὺς σοφούς καταισχύνῃ, καὶ τὰ ἀσθενῆ τοῦ κόσμου ἐξελέξατο ὁ Θεὸς ἵνα καταισχύνῃ τὰ ἰσχυρά,

1Co_1:27  αλλα τα μωρα του κοσμου εξελεξατο ο θεος ινα Aκαταισχυνη τους σοφους TSBκαταισχυνη και τα ασθενη του κοσμου εξελεξατο ο θεος ινα καταισχυνη τα ισχυρα

1Co_1:28 And the base things of the world, and the things having been despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, in order that He might nullify the things which are,

1Co_1:28  καὶ τὰ ἀγενῆ τοῦ κόσμου καὶ τὰ ἐξουθενημένα ἐξελέξατο ὁ Θεός, τὰ μὴ ὄντα, ἵνα τὰ ὄντα καταργήσῃ,

1Co_1:28  και τα αγενη του κοσμου και τα εξουθενημενα εξελεξατο ο θεος TSBκαι τα μη οντα ινα τα οντα καταργηση

1Co_1:29 so that no flesh may boast before God.

1Co_1:29  ὅπως μὴ καυχήσηται πᾶσα σὰρξ ἐνώπιον τοῦ Θεοῦ.

1Co_1:29  οπως μη καυχησηται πασα σαρξ ενωπιον BAτου BAθεου TSαυτου

 

Heb_13:14 – we have no remaining [μενουσαν KJV: continuing] city here [ωδε]

ου γαρ εχομεν ωδε μενουσαν πολιν αλλα την μελλουσαν επιζητουμεν

 

Whatever you could be apart of in the world under the Old Covenant you are commanded to depart from it in the New Covenant.

 

Esther, like other sacrificial women in the OT, was a valid queen in the Old Covenant -- this typically never happens for Truth believers in the New Covenant -- so don’t act or dress like its required to be that way socially in public!

 

We must (have to / got to) stop acting like nothing changed at all after the coming of the New Covenant (Mat_5:17-20)

 

But if there is any valid sense of a woman being a queen, it is ONLY for, and within, Marriage!

 

This is exactly why Peter and Paul told New Covenant women to not adorn themselves publicly because there is virtually no place for that in the New Covenant.

 

 

(Jews did treat marriage, at least for the wedding day, like they were king and queen)

 

Under the New Covenant we have no excuse for adornment outside of marriage

 

Esther: A Queen Elaborated for The King

Esther Prepared for Marriage: Esther was Prepared for a year before coming to the king

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(A) The Plan: Beautiful Virgin-Search -- for a (married) Queen!

Est_2:3 WEB  Let the king appoint officers in all the provinces of his kingdom, that they may gather together all the beautiful young virgins to the citadel of Susa, to the women's house, to the custody of Hegai the king's eunuch, keeper of the women. Let cosmetics be given them;

Est_2:3 LB  And let the king appoint local governors in all the provinces of his kingdom, and let them select fair [καλὰ] and chaste [παρθενικὰ – virgin-ish] young women, and bring them to the city Susa, into the women's apartment, and let them be consigned to the king's eunuch, the keeper of the women. And let things for purification and other attendance be given to them.

Est_2:3  καὶ καταστήσει ὁ βασιλεὺς κωμάρχας ἐν πάσαις ταῖς χώραις τῆς βασιλείας αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐπιλεξάτωσαν κοράσια παρθενικὰ καλὰ τῷ εἴδει εἰς Σουσαν τὴν πόλιν εἰς τὸν γυναικῶνα, καὶ παραδοθήτωσαν τῷ εὐνούχῳ τοῦ βασιλέως τῷ φύλακι τῶν γυναικῶν, καὶ δοθήτω σμῆγμα καὶ ἡ λοιπὴ ἐπιμέλεια·

 

It's not co-ed -- they are watched by a eunuch

Virgine-ish:

Can you flirt: do you wear make-up? No!
you are abstaining from all the pleasures of indulgence?

 

(B) Applications of Elaborations

Est_2:9 WEB  The maiden pleased him, and she obtained kindness from him. He quickly gave her cosmetics and her portions of food, and the seven choice maidens who were to be given her out of the king's house. He moved her and her maidens to the best place in the women's house.

Est_2:9 LB  Now the young woman pleased him, and she found favor in his sight; and he hastened to give her the things for purification, and her portion, and the seven maidens appointed her out of the palace. And he treated her and her maidens well in the women's apartment.

Est_2:9  καὶ ἤρεσεν αὐτῷ τὸ κοράσιον καὶ εὗρεν χάριν ἐνώπιον αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἔσπευσεν αὐτῇ δοῦναι τὸ σμῆγμα καὶ τὴν μερίδα καὶ τὰ ἑπτὰ κοράσια τὰ ἀποδεδειγμένα αὐτῇ ἐκ βασιλικοῦ καὶ ἐχρήσατο αὐτῇ καλῶς καὶ ταῖς ἅβραις αὐτῆς ἐν τῷ γυναικῶνι·

 

(C) Esther Appears to the King, is Preferred, Married, Crowned, & Celebrated

Est_2:12 WEB  Each young woman's turn came to go in to King Ahasuerus after her purification for twelve months  (for so were the days of their purification accomplished, six months with oil of myrrh, and six months with sweet fragrances and with preparations for beautifying women).

Est_2:12 LB  Now this was the time for a virgin to go into the king, when she should have fulfilled twelve months; for so are the days of purification fulfilled, six months while they are anointing themselves with oil of myrrh, and six months with spices and women's purifications.

Est_2:12  οὗτος δὲ ἦν καιρὸς κορασίου εἰσελθεῖν πρὸς τὸν βασιλέα, ὅταν ἀναπληρώσῃ μῆνας δέκα δύο· οὕτως γὰρ ἀναπληροῦνται αἱ ἡμέραι τῆς θεραπείας, μῆνας ἓξ ἀλειφόμεναι ἐν σμυρνίνῳ ἐλαίῳ καὶ μῆνας ἓξ ἐν τοῖς ἀρώμασιν καὶ ἐν τοῖς σμήγμασιν τῶν γυναικῶν,

Est_2:13 WEB  The young woman then came to the king like this: whatever she desired was given her to go with her out of the women's house to the king's house.

Est_2:13 And then the young woman goes in to the king; and the officer to whoever he shall give the command, will bring her to come in with him from the women's apartment to the king's chamber.

Est_2:13  καὶ τότε εἰσπορεύεται πρὸς τὸν βασιλέα· καὶ ὃ ἐὰν εἴπῃ, παραδώσει αὐτῇ συνεισέρχεσθαι αὐτῇ ἀπὸ τοῦ γυναικῶνος ἕως τῶν βασιλείων.

Est_2:14 WEB  In the evening she went, and on the next day she returned into the second women's house, to the custody of Shaashgaz, the king's eunuch, who kept the concubines. She came in to the king no more, unless the king delighted in her, and she was called by name.

Est_2:14 She enters in the evening, and in the morning she departs to the second women's apartment, where Hegai the king's eunuch is keeper of the women. And she does not go in to the king again, unless she should be called by name.

Est_2:14  δείλης εἰσπορεύεται καὶ πρὸς ἡμέραν ἀποτρέχει εἰς τὸν γυναικῶνα τὸν δεύτερον, οὗ Γαι ὁ εὐνοῦχος τοῦ βασιλέως ὁ φύλαξ τῶν γυναικῶν, καὶ οὐκέτι εἰσπορεύεται πρὸς τὸν βασιλέα, ἐὰν μὴ κληθῇ ὀνόματι.

Est_2:15 WEB  Now when the turn of Esther, the daughter of Abihail the uncle of Mordecai, who had taken her for his daughter, came to go in to the king, she required nothing but what Hegai the king's eunuch, the keeper of the women, advised. Esther obtained favor in the sight of all those who looked at her.

Est_2:15 And when the time was fulfilled for Esther, the daughter of Aminadab, the brother of Mordecai's father to go in to the king, she neglected nothing which the eunuch, the women's keeper, commanded; for Esther found grace in the sight of all that looked upon her.

Est_2:15  ἐν δὲ τῷ ἀναπληροῦσθαι τὸν χρόνον Εσθηρ τῆς θυγατρὸς Αμιναδαβ ἀδελφοῦ πατρὸς Μαρδοχαίου εἰσελθεῖν πρὸς τὸν βασιλέα οὐδὲν ἠθέτησεν ὧν αὐτῇ ἐνετείλατο ὁ εὐνοῦχος ὁ φύλαξ τῶν γυναικῶν· ἦν γὰρ Εσθηρ εὑρίσκουσα χάριν παρὰ πάντων τῶν βλεπόντων αὐτήν.

Est_2:16 WEB  So Esther was taken to King Ahasuerus into his royal house in the tenth month, which is the month Tebeth, in the seventh year of his reign.

Est_2:16 So Esther went in to King Artaxerxes in the twelfth month, which is Adar, in the seventh year of his reign.

Est_2:16  καὶ εἰσῆλθεν Εσθηρ πρὸς Ἀρταξέρξην τὸν βασιλέα τῷ δωδεκάτῳ μηνί, ὅς ἐστιν Αδαρ, τῷ ἑβδόμῳ ἔτει τῆς βασιλείας αὐτοῦ.

Est_2:17 WEB  The king loved Esther more than all the women, and she obtained favor and kindness in his sight more than all the virgins; so that he set the royal crown on her head, and made her queen instead of Vashti.

Est_2:17 And the king loved Esther, and she found favor beyond all the other virgins, and he put on her the queen's crown.

Est_2:17  καὶ ἠράσθη ὁ βασιλεὺς Εσθηρ, καὶ εὗρεν χάριν παρὰ πάσας τὰς παρθένους, καὶ ἐπέθηκεν αὐτῇ τὸ διάδημα τὸ γυναικεῖον.

Est_2:18 WEB  Then the king made a great feast for all his princes and his servants, even Esther's feast; and he proclaimed a holiday in the provinces, and gave gifts according to the king's bounty.

Est_2:18 And the king made a banquet for all his friends and great men for seven days, and he highly celebrated the marriage of Esther; and he made a release to those who were under his dominion.

Est_2:18  καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ βασιλεὺς πότον πᾶσι τοῖς φίλοις αὐτοῦ καὶ ταῖς δυνάμεσιν ἐπὶ ἡμέρας ἑπτὰ καὶ ὕψωσεν τοὺς γάμους Εσθηρ καὶ ἄφεσιν ἐποίησεν τοῖς ὑπὸ τὴν βασιλείαν αὐτοῦ.

 

TSK on Est_2:12

six months: Pro_7:17, Son_3:6, Isa_57:9, Luk_7:37, Luk_7:38

& comp. as quoted below…

 

Don’t look for how this passage does not apply (they are royalty), but look for how it does apply (they got married)!

Yes, they are a queen and king, unlike you, but what is common with us today is that they got married!

Don’t contextualize the Scriptures outside of the Bible because that long Beauty Elaboration is not abnormal, but is rather the normal year-long preparation for most all marriage in the Bible.

Preparation for beautifying women would suggest they are not doing that beautification until the betrothal is established

Do you see the non-indulgence this is teaching us in this life, especially outside of marriage?

You do not get truth by following the sight of your own sight. You get truth by following truth outside of her intutition

When you love the wisdom of SOS you will be loved above all the women like Esther. Esther was virginish like Ruth

 

 

We see that in…

Est_2:12-13Beauty-Elaboration is Time-Consuming!

Or adornment is time consuming

 

WHEN did this Beauty Elaboration happen in Ether’s life??

 

NO Marital Elaboration for the Unmarried!

Unmarried Righteous Women Aren’t Doing Marital Elaboration!

It is supposed/presupposed/assumed that common women are NOT elaborating their beauty all of their life leading up to this point, but rather they must make much abundant time to elaborate beauty after marriage comes upon them and the time comes closer at hand.

Beauty Elaboration doesn’t belong to you if you are not married!

 

Ecc_12 Judgment: Every Work Into Judgment

Ecc_12:14 WEB  For God will bring every work into judgment, with every hidden thing, whether it is good, or whether it is evil.

Ecc_12:14 LB  For God will bring every work into judgment, with everything that has been overlooked, whether good or evil.

Ecc_12:14  ὅτι σὺν πᾶν τὸ ποίημα ὁ θεὸς ἄξει ἐν κρίσει ἐν παντὶ παρεωραμένῳ, ἐὰν ἀγαθὸν καὶ ἐὰν πονηρόν.

Ecc_12:14 God will bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing whether good or evil

>>TSK

 

Enjoying marital pleasure outside of marriage is the evil work that God will bring into judgement.

 

Sins against beauty start selfish and express themselves luxuriously and end with apostasy.

 

Self-Liking = Lustful End-Times Rebellion (to be warned about)

Other date(s); 6/22/25

Self-Serving

>>Scrip:

 

Comp. Self-Beauty-Elaboration is Only for MARRIAGE! | Self-Liking = Lustful End-Times Rebellion

 

Do you know the eternal difference between Self-Beauty Management and Selfish Beauty Indulgence? –

Self-Liking = a core element of sinful management of selfish beauty.

 

Is you beauty and pleasure outside of marriage? -- then beware and flee from your end-times apostasy!

 

2Ti_3:2 – They will be lovers likers of themselves

>> TSK

2Ti_3:2 NKJV

For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.

 

ES: Godlessness in the Last Days

2Ti_3:1 CAB  But know this, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2Ti_3:1  Τοῦτο δὲ γίνωσκε, ὅτι ἐν ἐσχάταις ἡμέραις ἐνστήσονται καιροὶ χαλεποί·

2Ti_3:1  τουτο δε γινωσκε οτι εν εσχαταις ημεραις ενστησονται καιροι χαλεποι

2Ti_3:2  For men will be lovers [likers] of themselves, lovers [likers] of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2Ti_3:2  ἔσονται γὰρ οἱ ἄνθρωποι φίλαυτοι, φιλάργυροι, ἀλαζόνες, ὑπερήφανοι, βλάσφημοι, γονεῦσιν ἀπειθεῖς, ἀχάριστοι, ἀνόσιοι,

2Ti_3:2  εσονται γαρ οι ανθρωποι φιλαυτοι φιλαργυροι αλαζονες υπερηφανοι βλασφημοι γονευσιν απειθεις αχαριστοι ανοσιοι

2Ti_3:3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, not loving [likers] what is good,

2Ti_3:3  ἄστοργοι, ἄσπονδοι, διάβολοι, ἀκρατεῖς, ἀνήμεροι, ἀφιλάγαθοι,

2Ti_3:3  αστοργοι ασπονδοι διαβολοι ακρατεις ανημεροι αφιλαγαθοι

2Ti_3:4 traitors, headstrong, having been puffed up, lovers [likers] of pleasure rather than lovers [likers] of God,

2Ti_3:4  προδόται, προπετεῖς, τετυφωμένοι, φιλήδονοι μᾶλλον ἢ φιλόθεοι,

2Ti_3:4  προδοται προπετεις τετυφωμενοι φιληδονοι μαλλον η φιλοθεοι

2Ti_3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from these people turn away!

2Ti_3:5  ἔχοντες μόρφωσιν εὐσεβείας, τὴν δὲ δύναμιν αὐτῆς ἠρνημένοι. καὶ τούτους ἀποτρέπου.

2Ti_3:5  εχοντες μορφωσιν ευσεβειας την δε δυναμιν αυτης ηρνημενοι και τουτους αποτρεπου

 

Self-Liking Self-fond-ness requires excommunication… (judging the church)

 

The Point: Self-Liking = Consuming & indulging in your own bodily goods for the self-indulgence of yourself.

Notice it is associated with luxury and being a devil/slander.

 

 

Temptations for Men & Women

·         Is it just men who are vulnerable to vain sins of Self-Liking, or are women prime targets of self-centered entitlement pride and vain indulgence, both now and in the End-Times?

·         It turns out that women are targeted very much for luxury of self-liking!

 

See: RiFi > Feminine Luxury

Righteous-Finances.htm#FeminineLuxury

 

The foolishness and vanity of lawless sinful End-Times apostasy is where self-serving Beauty leads, making you a partner with Satan who fell and earned his way to hell.

And speaking of sinful End-Times apostasy, there’s Jezebel & her Makeup legacy…!

 

 

There is a drastic difference between liking yourself and managing the goods of your body for the service of another.

 

Son_1: Self-Beauty-Elaboration is Only for MARRIAGE!

 

Comp. Self-Beauty-Elaboration is Only for MARRIAGE! | Self-Liking = Lustful End-Times Rebellion

 

Self-Beauty vs. Selfish-Beauty

 

Self-Beauty Defined & Previewed

·         Self-Beauty ≈ being aware of your own bodily goodness

·         Question for Saving Beauty: How must you manage being aware of Self-Beauty to be saved?

·         No PSA: Watch out for lusting after yourself -- which implies Personal Sexual Activity (PSA)
(PSA is not tolerable, but is eternally condemned and burned with fire...)

·         No Selfish Beauty: Don’t personally enjoy your own bodily goodness outside of marriage! (Son_1:5-10)

 

Selfish-Beauty = Hell – as seen previously

Self-Beauty is exemplified by SOS 1

Its showing us what righteous management looks like

 

Son_1:5-6 – I am black but beautiful… I have not taken care of my own garden

Song_1:5-6 NKJV

I am dark, but lovely, O daughters of Jerusalem, Like the tents of Kedar, Like the curtains of Solomon. Do not look upon me, because I am dark, Because the sun has tanned me. My mother’s sons were angry with me; They made me the keeper of the vineyards, But my own vineyard I have not kept.

 

Son_1:5 WEB  I am dark, but lovely, you daughters of Jerusalem, like Kedar's tents, like Solomon's curtains.

Son_1:5 LB  I am dark, but beautiful, you daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

Son_1:5  Μέλαινά εἰμι καὶ καλή, θυγατέρες Ιερουσαλημ, ὡς σκηνώματα Κηδαρ, ὡς δέρρεις Σαλωμων.

Son_1:6 WEB  Don't stare at me because I am dark, because the sun has scorched me. My mother's sons were angry with me. They made me keeper of the vineyards. I haven't kept my own vineyard.

Son_1:6 Do not look upon me, because I am dark, because the sun has looked unfavorably upon me: my mother’s sons strove with me; they made me keeper in the vineyards; I have not kept my own vineyard.

Son_1:6  μὴ βλέψητέ με, ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι μεμελανωμένη, ὅτι παρέβλεψέν με ὁ ἥλιος· υἱοὶ μητρός μου ἐμαχέσαντο ἐν ἐμοί, ἔθεντό με φυλάκισσαν ἐν ἀμπελῶσιν· ἀμπελῶνα ἐμὸν οὐκ ἐφύλαξα.

Son_1:7 WEB  Tell me, you whom my soul loves, where you graze your flock, where you rest them at noon; For why should I be as one who is veiled beside the flocks of your companions?  Lover

Son_1:7 Tell me, you whom my soul loves, where you tend your flock, where you cause them to rest at noon, lest I become as one that is veiled by the flocks of your companions.

Son_1:7  Ἀπάγγειλόν μοι, ὃν ἠγάπησεν ἡ ψυχή μου, ποῦ ποιμαίνεις, ποῦ κοιτάζεις ἐν μεσημβρίᾳ, μήποτε γένωμαι ὡς περιβαλλομένη ἐπ᾿ ἀγέλαις ἑταίρων σου.

Son_1:8 WEB  If you don't know, most beautiful among women, follow the tracks of the sheep. Graze your young goats beside the shepherds' tents.

[ES: Solomon and His Bride Delight in Each Other]

Son_1:8 If you do not know yourself, you fair one among women, go forth by the footsteps of the flocks, and feed your little goats by the shepherd’s tents.

Son_1:8  Ἐὰν μὴ γνῷς σεαυτήν, ἡ καλὴ ἐν γυναιξίν, ἔξελθε σὺ ἐν πτέρναις τῶν ποιμνίων καὶ ποίμαινε τὰς ἐρίφους σου ἐπὶ σκηνώμασιν τῶν ποιμένων.

Son_1:9 WEB  I have compared you, my love, to a steed in Pharaoh's chariots.

Son_1:9 I have likened you, my companion, to my horses in the chariots of Pharaoh.

Son_1:9  Τῇ ἵππῳ μου ἐν ἅρμασιν Φαραω ὡμοίωσά σε, ἡ πλησίον μου.

Son_1:10 WEB  Your cheeks are beautiful with earrings, your neck with strings of jewels.

Son_1:10 How beautiful are your cheeks, as those of a dove, your neck as chains!

Son_1:10  τί ὡραιώθησαν σιαγόνες σου ὡς τρυγόνες, τράχηλός σου ὡς ὁρμίσκοι;

 

She is concerned about her darkness.

She partly resolves her concern by anchoring her self-beauty within monotheism, especially within the husband she is supposed to be beautiful for: “Solomon's curtains

She & the daughters of Jerusalem resolve to seek her being united with her husband Solomon.

Solomon resolves all of these issues by praising her beauty.

 

SoS’ Conflict Proves Selflessness

·         The “conflict” in this story is the Shulamite’s self-perception, which does not resolve in her own eyes, or in her self-consciousness.

·         The solution is her husband’s praise.

·         The daughters of Jerusalem commend her to her husband’s admiration with congratulations of praise.

·         Elaborating her beauty happens for her husband’s admiration.

 

A Good Gift is Good -- for The Lawful Owner!

It’s appropriate to want to be aware that you have something good to give to your spouse, if you are married, and this concern only arose in the context of MARRIAGE but it was neglected before that urgency was realized and made practically at hand.

 

Healthiness should not be confused with pampering for marriage.

 

The Point: Self-Beauty is a gift only for your spouse!

Self-Beauty must guard against Self-Liking!

 

Health vs. Beautification

 

Unmarried can care about health because it makes the boat stay afloat, and it contradicts wordily lust, and embraces the diligent work of watching vineyards

 

>>Scrip:

Bodily exercise (in uncovered private) ≈ preparation to do work

 

1Co_7:31 CAB  and those using this world as not using it up. For the form [τὸ σχῆμα] of this world is passing away [τοῦ κόσμου τούτου].

 

the form [τὸ σχῆμα] of this world” which we depreciate (outside of marriage) does not include the moral diligence to promote life, like healthy life choices which are available and at hand to do.

 

 

 

Undistracted Self-Denial -- of the Unmarried

[5/4/25; 5/9/25; 5/14/25; 5/18/25; 6/13/25-6/14/25; 6/19/25-6/22/25]; 6/29/25; 7/5/25

The Undistracted Self-Denial of the Unmarried

Unmarried Righteous Women Focus on Self-Denial

>> Sync: PUR > Virginity | BDC > Beauty (compare: Widows)

 

1Ti_2 & 1Pe_3: No Beauty-Elaboration Outside of Marriage (in general)

 

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Remember: No beauty indulgence outside of marriage! -- in general for all of women in society.

 

Cosmetics in the Bible: Beauty-Elaboration ≈ cosmetically arranging your beauty to be seen by others

 

Are you unmarried and/or are you going into a society that is not your family?

 

>>Scrip: ES

1Ti_2:9-10 – women dressed in hiddenness for public interaction and presentation

>> see: above

 

1Pe_3:3-4 – beauty not coming from outward arrangements of hair, gold, jewelry, and/or luxurious clothes, but internal virtue instead

 

GPT: It’s not just a suggestion: 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Peter 3 explicitly forbid women in church settings from pursuing external adornment—hair-styling, gold, pearls, makeup—for the sake of attention.

 

The Time Consuming (Est_2:12-13; comp. Ecc_12:14) cosmetic Beauty-Elaboration of arranging yourself to be seen by yourself and others outside of marriage is vain and empty luxury indulgence & prostitution…

 

It risks hot judgement and condemnation at the very threat of it being tolerated or slightly allowed when you are supposed to flee luxury and prostitution.

(Cosmetics for family are only on rare occasions or very limited circumstances and investments, if at all…)

 

This is the default social function of a woman, which only gets externally elaborate expressions of adornment in marriage, esp. now that believers are usually not called to social royalty 1Co_1:26.

Virtually everything else is cursed, sinful, selfish, vanity.

 

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The Point: If a woman cannot lawfully indulge in her beauty in society, what vain business could she be authorized to do for herself in private when she doesn’t even have a husband at home to please??

 

 

Unmarried DON’T Care for Things of this World!

Undistracted Virgins & Widows

 

1Co_7:31-34

 

1Co_7:31 CAB  and those using this world as not using it up. For the form [τὸ σχῆμα] of this world is passing away [τοῦ κόσμου τούτου].

1Co_7:31  καὶ οἱ χρώμενοι τῷ κόσμῳ τούτῳ ὡς μὴ καταχρώμενοι· παράγει γὰρ τὸ σχῆμα τοῦ κόσμου τούτου.

1Co_7:31  και οι χρωμενοι Aτον Aκοσμον TSBτω TSBκοσμω TSBτουτω ως μη καταχρωμενοι παραγει γαρ το σχημα του κοσμου τουτου

1Co_7:32 But I want you to be without anxiety. The unmarried man cares about the things of the Lord--about how he may please the Lord.

1Co_7:32  θέλω δὲ ὑμᾶς ἀμερίμνους εἶναι. ὁ ἄγαμος μεριμνᾷ τὰ τοῦ Κυρίου, πῶς ἀρέσῃ τῷ Κυρίῳ·

1Co_7:32  θελω δε υμας αμεριμνους ειναι ο αγαμος μεριμνα τα του κυριου πως Aαρεση TSBαρεσει τω κυριω

1Co_7:33  But the man having married cares about the things of the world--about how he may please his wife.

1Co_7:33  ὁ δὲ γαμήσας μεριμνᾷ τὰ τοῦ κόσμου, πῶς ἀρέσῃ τῇ γυναικί.

1Co_7:33  ο δε γαμησας μεριμνα τα του κοσμου πως Aαρεση TSBαρεσει τη γυναικι

1Co_7:34 And the wife and the virgin are different [μεμέρισται]. The unmarried woman cares about [μεριμνᾷ] the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But the woman having married cares about the things of the world--about how she may please her husband.

1Co_7:34  μεμέρισται καὶ ἡ γυνὴ καὶ ἡ παρθένος. ἡ ἄγαμος μεριμνᾷ τὰ τοῦ Κυρίου, ἵνα ᾖ ἁγία καὶ σώματι καὶ πνεύματι· ἡ δὲ γαμήσασα μεριμνᾷ τὰ τοῦ κόσμου, πῶς ἀρέσῃ τῷ ἀνδρί.

1Co_7:34  Aκαι μεμερισται BAκαι η γυνη Aη Aαγαμος και η παρθενος TSBη TSBαγαμος μεριμνα τα του κυριου ινα η αγια και Aτω σωματι και Aτω πνευματι η δε γαμησασα μεριμνα τα του κοσμου πως Aαρεση TSBαρεσει τω ανδρι

1Co_7:33  But the one who is married cares for the things of the world, how to please his wife.

1Co_7:34  The wife and the virgin are different. The unmarried woman cares for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

 

The unmarried women does not care about abs, or toning her body or anything that is part of this world/current age that pleases a man.

 

The Point: Not pampering your body, indeed, really is the tendency and consistent practice of the righteous women of wisdom literature and all inspired Scripture when marriage is out of view.

 

Righteous virgins, and unmarried people need to be real virgins, just like real widows need to be in the real desolation of self-denial in 1Ti_5:

 

Widows Showcase Self-Denial

REAL Widows are an Example of Self-denial for All Unmarried People

[[5/4/25; 5/9/25; 5/14/25; 5/18/25; 6/13/25-6/14/25; 6/19/25-6/22/25]; 6/29/25]; 7/5/25-7/6/25; 8/10/25

>> Sync: PUR > Virginity | BDC > Beauty | RiFi > Support Those in Self-Denial (compare: Undistracted Self-Denial)

 

Exalting Widows

Paul is exalting the loneliness of widowhood into the prestigious moral honor of spiritual service and female leadership.

 

RiFi, PUR, & BDC

When considering these inspired teachings on widows we learn about several very important things all at once:

(1) RiFi: We learn about the required self-denial of those who are unmarried and how a widow who is in affliction is worthy of support and even leadership, as detailed in RiFi, but it is usually overlooked that…

(2) PUR: We learn about the purity and undistractedness of virginity as lived out through a widow, as seen in PUR, and

(3) BDC: We learned that the nicer things of this life, including beauty-elaboration (for example), do not belong outside of marriage as reinforced in BDC.

 

When considering leadership standards-requirements, we are also exhorted about some very important purity rules for saving all of us.

 

Support, Leadership, and Imitation

7/6/25; 8/10/25

·         Support: People often recognize that we need to take care of elder people when reading about supported widows in 1Ti_5, and…

·         Leadership: Sometimes they even point out the leadership roles of women who are supported, and yet…

·         Imitation: They often don't recognize the need to imitate the courageous self-denial and clean-purity of these exemplary/model/prototypical virtuous widows.

 

Preceding context:

Act_6 – Male Deacons are appointed (those who help the widows)

 

Purity of Real Widows

Praised Widows Lived as Chaste Virgins Originally

 

A REAL Widow is one who has, at least at one time, been a REAL virgin…

 

1Ti_5:9 Let a widow be enrolled having become [γεγονυῖα] not less than sixty years, the wife of one man [ἑνὸς ἀνδρὸς γυνή],

1Ti_5:9  Χήρα καταλεγέσθω μὴ ἔλαττον ἐτῶν ἑξήκοντα γεγονυῖα, ἑνὸς ἀνδρὸς γυνή,

√ GNT-V

 

A one-man-woman tells us that she was pure from all other men in reaching her widowhood.

 

A Widow of Imitation

(A) The fact that a widow is qualified to be recognized by the Assembly based on purity (unmarriedness!), and exclusivity to one man, shows that (B) in her afflicted widowhood she continues to be very relevant to the same clean self-denial of her original virginity, therefore, (C) this blessed widow of clean virtue is still very relevant to the virtue rules for virgins, and because of that, (D) all of the unmarried are required to imitate her purity and sacrificial self-denial to get where she is at in the glorious virtue of her old age.

 

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You need to walk in her earlier footsteps to arrive at her senior leadership.

 

The Point: A real widow (1Ti_5:3; 1Ti_5:5) arrived pure (1Ti_5:9) and (at some point) stayed unmarried (1Ti_5:5) therefore the rest of the unmarried must follow her track record and example of virtuous and honorable endurance to arrive at the same place of eventual praise and approval by the Truth.

 

Widows & Unmarried = Same Group!

Virgins and widows are in the same class and group of people in the Bible

 

Remember the Undistracted Self-Denial of 1Co_7:31-34? (We just saw it in the previous section above.)

That self-denial applies equally to (A) widows and (B) all unmarried people, as seen in the preceding authoritative context of 1Co_7:8:

 

1Co_7:8 CAB  But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is [TSBἐστιν] good for them if they should CAB remain ·as I also remain [fig: even as I am NKJV];

1Co_7:8  Λέγω δὲ τοῖς ἀγάμοις καὶ ταῖς χήραις, καλὸν αὐτοῖς TSBἐστιν ἐὰν μείνωσιν ὡς κἀγώ.

 

The self-denial of widows teaches you how to be a good unmarried person -- why? because you are both UNMARRIED, and that aged virtue is where an obeying virgin and all righteous unmarried people are headed…

 

If you are unmarried, you better imitate the virtue of Real Widows:

 

Because…

You will never be put on the role of supported widows if you (for example) indulge in marital pleasures while not being married!

 

The Point: Both (A) Widows and (B) the unmarried are put in the same categories (1Co_7:8), so the same rules apply to each!

(Contrasted: Lev_21:13-14, etc.)

Lev_21:13-14 NKJV  And he shall take a wife in her virginity. A widow or a divorced woman, or a defiled woman or a harlot—these he shall not marry; but he shall take a virgin of his own people as wife.

GPT: Virgin, widow, divorced, defiled, harlot — a contrast showing the high priest can only marry a virgin.

Num_30:9 NKJV  Also any vow of a widow or a divorced woman, by which she has bound herself, shall stand against her.

GPT: Widow and divorced woman — both considered independent for vow purposes (not under a man’s authority)

Eze_44:22 NKJV  They shall not take as wife a widow or a divorced woman, but take virgins of the descendants of the house of Israel, or widows of priests.

 

1Co_7:34 NKJV  There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit.

1Ti_5:9-11 NKJV  Do not let a widow under sixty years old be taken into the number... But refuse the younger widows; for when they have begun to grow wanton against Christ, they desire to marry.

 

Rules for Widows  -- In General

General Rules for Widows -- Widow Requirement Rules that Qualify them for Support & Spiritual Service

>>Scrip:

Read full context…!

 

Let’s consider the General Rules for Widows to get approved by the inspired Truth of the Assembly:

 

Widow Requirements: Good-beautiful works [ἔργοις καλοῖς] (1Ti_5:10) that validate the worthiness [ἀνεπίληπτοι ὦσιν] (1Ti_5:7) of a real widow [ὄντως χήρας] (1Ti_5:3, 1Ti_5:5) after making a commitment of “faith” [πρώτην πίστιν] (1Ti_5:12) to be enrolled [καταλεγέσθω] (1Ti_5:9, 1Ti_5:12) for financial support [τίμα…ἀμοιβὰς ἀποδιδόναι…μισθοῦ] (1Ti_5:3-4, 1Ti_5:17-18 [διπλῆς τιμῆς…μισθοῦ] vs. 1Ti_5:16 [ἐπαρκείτω]) to be dedicated to spiritual service (1Ti_5:2, 1Ti_5:5, 1Ti_5:9-10, vs. 1Ti_5:13)

(Side note: notice how much reverse-transculturation has to be done to rediscover what this text said to the original hearers -- the same work has to be done to all entrenched passages like this including Headcoverings! -- this is the exact same scientific process for all culturally challenging passages to logically get back to the superior morality that preceded our diluted blindness and apostasy.)

 

These Widow Requirements are some of the general rules for approved widows of the called-out-assembly.

Now we need to also consider how these rules are specifically applied to confront failure of Fake Widows and the Praise of Real Widows

 

Fake Widows Fail

Fake Circumstantial Widows Who Fail by Sinful Indulgence

 

Beware of being a dead-single, who is living in pleasures (being dead while they live)!

 

1Ti_5:6-7

 

Dead While Living in Pleasure!

1Ti_5:6 CAB  But she who is ·living for pleasure [σπαταλῶσα (= Jam_5:5)] is dead while she lives.

1Ti_5:6  ἡ δὲ σπαταλῶσα ζῶσα τέθνηκε.

1Ti_5:7 And these things command, so that they may be blameless.

1Ti_5:7  καὶ ταῦτα παράγγελλε, ἵνα ἀνεπίληπτοι ὦσιν.

1Ti_5:7  και ταυτα παραγγελλε ινα Aανεπιλημπτοι TSBανεπιληπτοι ωσιν

 

Jam_5:5 CAB  You lived luxuriously [ἐτρυφήσατε] upon the earth and you lived riotously [ἐσπαταλήσατε (= 1Ti_5:6)], you nourished your hearts as in a day of slaughter.

Jas_5:5  ἐτρυφήσατε ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς καὶ ἐσπαταλήσατε, ἐθρέψατε τὰς καρδίας ὑμῶν ὥς ἐν ἡμέρᾳ σφαγῆς.

Jas_5:5  ετρυφησατε επι της γης και εσπαταλησατε εθρεψατε τας καρδιας υμων TSBως εν ημερα σφαγης

 

Proven Disqualification

>>Scrip:

Pampering [σπαταλῶσα] one’s self in this life, or living in pleasures, [σπαταλῶσα ζῶσα] (1Ti_5:6; comp. Jam_5:5) is a serious fault [vs. ἀνεπίληπτοι ὦσιν] (1Ti_5:7) outside of marriage (1Ti_5:3-4) that judges you as spiritually dead [τέθνηκε] (1Ti_5:6) & gets you ·disqualified for long-term support and spiritual work in the Assembly (as seen above & below).

 

Unmarried Indulgence = More Dangerous

·         If you were married you might at least have some valid reason for elaborating yourself, but if you’re unmarried, there is a certain type of fearful doom in all such hazardous indulgences… (remember how Judith did NOT indulge after her widowhood)

·         Even righteous married people have to guard against living in pleasures (1Co_7:29; 1Pe_3:1-7), so how much more should all unmarried people maintain more careful self-denial and be reverently denying the dangerous pitfalls of this life!?

·         If you’re a widow and or otherwise unmarried, beware of these disqualifying scandals of the invalid indulgence in the goods of this condemned life.

 

Indulgence vs. Virtue

This dead and foolish invalid indulgence of Fake Widows is directly opposed to the honor (1Ti_5:3) and virtue (1Ti_5:5) of a REAL Widow

 

REAL Widows of Solitary-Affliction

1Ti_5:5 CAB  Now she who is really a widow [ὄντως χήρα] and ·having been left alone [μεμονωμένη], has set her hope on God [ἤλπικεν ἐπὶ TSBτὸν Θεὸν], and continues in [προσμένει] supplications and prayers [ταῖς δεήσεσι καὶ ταῖς προσευχαῖς] night and day.

1Ti_5:5  ἡ δὲ ὄντως χήρα καὶ μεμονωμένη ἤλπικεν ἐπὶ TSBτὸν Θεὸν καὶ προσμένει ταῖς δεήσεσι καὶ ταῖς προσευχαῖς νυκτὸς καὶ ἡμέρας·

 

TSK on 1Ti_5:5: continueth: Luk_2:37, Luk_18:1, Luk_18:7, Act_26:7, Eph_6:18

 

Non-Fake Faith

1Ti_1:5 CAB  Now the goal of the commandment is love out of a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,

1Ti_1:5  τὸ δὲ τέλος τῆς παραγγελίας ἐστὶν ἀγάπη ἐκ καθαρᾶς καρδίας καὶ συνειδήσεως ἀγαθῆς καὶ πίστεως ἀνυποκρίτου,

√ GNT-V

 

2Ti_1:5 CAB  taking recollection of the genuine faith that is in you, which dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and in your mother Eunice, and I am persuaded is in you also.

2Ti_1:5  ὑπόμνησιν λαμβάνων τῆς ἐν σοὶ ἀνυποκρίτου πίστεως, ἥτις ἐνῴκησε πρῶτον ἐν τῇ μάμμῃ σου Λωΐδι καὶ τῇ μητρί σου Εὐνίκῃ, πέπεισμαι δὲ ὅτι καὶ ἐν σοί.

2Ti_1:5  υπομνησιν Aλαβων TSBλαμβανων της εν σοι ανυποκριτου πιστεως ητις ενωκησεν πρωτον εν τη μαμμη σου λωιδι και τη μητρι σου SBAευνικη Tευνεικη πεπεισμαι δε οτι και εν σοι

TSK: unfeigned: Psa_17:1, Psa_18:44, Psa_66:3, Psa_81:15, *marg. Jer_3:10, Joh_1:47, 2Co_6:6, 1Ti_1:5, 1Ti_4:6, 1Pe_1:22

 

The Point: Demand the REAL DEAL! -- No hypocritical Faith (1Ti_1:5; 2Ti_1:5), love (2Co_6:6), or even widows (1Ti_5:5)!

 

The Hard Life of Widows

See: Widow’s Affliction

 

Remaining alone = Remaining Afflicted

 

Remaining alone = Remaining without daily provision & choosing a dangerous life of not having basic needs met, much less indulging in the pleasures of this life (1Ti_5:6 as seen above).

 

Circumstantial vs. Real Widows

·         Afflicted Providence: The Circumstances of being a widow have thrown her into the affliction of separation from companionship and daily provision.

·         Lustful Escape: Fake widows have pursued a pleasurable escape.

·         Cooperation: Real widows have embraced their affliction and even chosen voluntary sacrifices like remaining alone, begging God for provision, and even frequent fasting.

·         Affliction, NOT Indulgence: Real widows have chosen to embrace their affliction, and therefore they are so very far away from pampering indulgence or even nearly any other nice thing that pertains more to marriage.

·         Hard Work, NOT Luxury: Real widows do not pamper and elaborate their beauty and fine living, but they work hard like Ruth, and deny themselves, and embrace affliction as seen below…

 

The Point: There is a distinct abstinence and voluntary affliction of a real widow in 1st Timothy 5, which is an example of self-denial that is required for all unmarried people, especially women.

 

Judith

 

>>Scrip:

Judith lived without nice clothes after being widowed!

Judith is an illustration of what a real widow is supposed to look like.

 

Jdt_8:4 Br  So Judith was a widow in her house three years and four months.

Jdt_8:4  καὶ ἦν Ιουδιθ ἐν τῷ οἴκῳ αὐτῆς χηρεύουσα ἔτη τρία καὶ μῆνας τέσσαρας.

Jdt_8:5  And she made her a tent upon the top of her house, and put on sackcloth upon her loins and ware her widow's apparel.

Jdt_8:5  καὶ ἐποίησεν ἑαυτῇ σκηνὴν ἐπὶ τοῦ δώματος τοῦ οἴκου αὐτῆς καὶ ἐπέθηκεν ἐπὶ τὴν ὀσφὺν αὐτῆς σάκκον, καὶ ἦν ἐπ᾿ αὐτῆς τὰ ἱμάτια τῆς χηρεύσεως αὐτῆς.

Jdt_8:6  And she fasted all the days of her widowhood, save the eves of the sabbaths, and the sabbaths, and the eves of the new moons, and the new moons and the feasts and solemn days of the house of Israel.

Jdt_8:6  καὶ ἐνήστευε πάσας τὰς ἡμέρας τῆς χηρεύσεως αὐτῆς χωρὶς προσαββάτων καὶ σαββάτων καὶ προνουμηνιῶν καὶ νουμηνιῶν καὶ ἑορτῶν καὶ χαρμοσυνῶν οἴκου Ισραηλ.

Jdt_8:7  She was also of a goodly countenance, and very beautiful to behold: and her husband Manasses had left her gold, and silver, and menservants and maidservants, and cattle, and lands; and she remained upon them.

Jdt_8:7  καὶ ἦν καλὴ τῷ εἴδει καὶ ὡραία τῇ ὄψει σφόδρα· καὶ ὑπελίπετο αὐτῇ Μανασσης ὁ ἀνὴρ αὐτῆς χρυσίον καὶ ἀργύριον καὶ παῖδας καὶ παιδίσκας καὶ κτήνη καὶ ἀγρούς, καὶ ἔμενεν ἐπ᾿ αὐτῶν.

Jdt_8:8  And there was none that gave her an ill word; ar she feared God greatly.

Jdt_8:8  καὶ οὐκ ἦν ὃς ἐπήνεγκεν αὐτῇ ῥῆμα πονηρόν, ὅτι ἐφοβεῖτο τὸν θεὸν σφόδρα. --

Jdt_8:25  Moreover let us give thanks to the Lord our God, which trieth us, even as he did our fathers.

Jdt_8:25  παρὰ ταῦτα πάντα εὐχαριστήσωμεν κυρίῳ τῷ θεῷ ἡμῶν, ὃς πειράζει ἡμᾶς καθὰ καὶ τοὺς πατέρας ἡμῶν.

Jdt_8:26  Remember what things he did to Abraham, and how he tried Isaac, and what happened to Jacob in Mesopotamia of Syria, when he kept the sheep of Laban his mother's brother.

Jdt_8:26  μνήσθητε ὅσα ἐποίησεν μετὰ Αβρααμ καὶ ὅσα ἐπείρασεν τὸν Ισαακ καὶ ὅσα ἐγένετο τῷ Ιακωβ ἐν Μεσοποταμίᾳ τῆς Συρίας ποιμαίνοντι τὰ πρόβατα Λαβαν τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ τῆς μητρὸς αὐτοῦ.

Jdt_8:27  For he hath not tried us in the fire, as he did them, for the examination of their hearts, neither hath he taken vengeance on us: but the Lord doth scourge them that come near unto him, to admonish them.

Jdt_8:27  ὅτι οὐ καθὼς ἐκείνους ἐπύρωσεν εἰς ἐτασμὸν τῆς καρδίας αὐτῶν, καὶ ἡμᾶς οὐκ ἐξεδίκησεν, ἀλλ᾿ εἰς νουθέτησιν μαστιγοῖ κύριος τοὺς ἐγγίζοντας αὐτῷ. --

Jdt_8:28  Then said Ozias to her, All that thou hast spoken hast thou spoken with a good heart, and there is none that may gainsay thy words.

Jdt_8:28  καὶ εἶπεν πρὸς αὐτὴν Οζιας Πάντα, ὅσα εἶπας, ἐν ἀγαθῇ καρδίᾳ ἐλάλησας, καὶ οὐκ ἔστιν ὃς ἀντιστήσεται τοῖς λόγοις σου·

Jdt_8:29  For this is not the first day wherein thy wisdom is manifested; but from the beginning of thy days all the people have known thy understanding, because the disposition of thine heart is good.

Jdt_8:29  ὅτι οὐκ ἐν τῇ σήμερον ἡ σοφία σου πρόδηλός ἐστιν, ἀλλ᾿ ἀπ᾿ ἀρχῆς ἡμερῶν σου ἔγνω πᾶς ὁ λαὸς τὴν σύνεσίν σου, καθότι ἀγαθόν ἐστιν τὸ πλάσμα τῆς καρδίας σου.

Jdt_9:1 Judith fell upon her face, and put ashes upon her head, and uncovered the sackcloth wherewith she was clothed; and about the time that the incense of that evening was offered in Jerusalem in the house of the Lord Judith cried with a loud voice, and said,

Jdt_9:1  Ιουδιθ δὲ ἔπεσεν ἐπὶ πρόσωπον καὶ ἐπέθετο σποδὸν ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτῆς καὶ ἐγύμνωσεν ὃν ἐνεδεδύκει σάκκον, καὶ ἦν ἄρτι προσφερόμενον ἐν Ιερουσαλημ εἰς τὸν οἶκον τοῦ θεοῦ τὸ θυμίαμα τῆς ἑσπέρας ἐκείνης, καὶ ἐβόησεν φωνῇ μεγάλῃ Ιουδιθ πρὸς κύριον καὶ εἶπεν

Jdt_9:2  O Lord God of my father Simeon, to whom thou gavest a sword to take vengeance of the strangers, who loosened the girdle of a maid to defile her, and discovered the thigh to her shame, and polluted her virginity to her reproach; for thou saidst, It shall not be so; and yet they did so:

Jdt_9:2  Κύριε ὁ θεὸς τοῦ πατρός μου Συμεων, ᾧ ἔδωκας ἐν χειρὶ ῥομφαίαν εἰς ἐκδίκησιν ἀλλογενῶν, οἳ ἔλυσαν μήτραν παρθένου εἰς μίασμα καὶ ἐγύμνωσαν μηρὸν εἰς αἰσχύνην καὶ ἐβεβήλωσαν μήτραν εἰς ὄνειδος· εἶπας γάρ Οὐχ οὕτως ἔσται, καὶ ἐποίησαν·

 

Jdt_9:4 …O God, O my God, hear me also a widow.

Jdt_9:4  καὶ ἔδωκας γυναῖκας αὐτῶν εἰς προνομὴν καὶ θυγατέρας αὐτῶν εἰς αἰχμαλωσίαν καὶ πάντα τὰ σκῦλα αὐτῶν εἰς διαίρεσιν υἱῶν ἠγαπημένων ὑπὸ σοῦ, οἳ καὶ ἐζήλωσαν τὸν ζῆλόν σου καὶ ἐβδελύξαντο μίασμα αἵματος αὐτῶν καὶ ἐπεκαλέσαντό σε εἰς βοηθόν· ὁ θεὸς ὁ θεὸς ὁ ἐμός, καὶ εἰσάκουσον ἐμοῦ τῆς χήρας.

Jdt_10:2 Br  Now after that she had ceased to cry unto the God of Israel, and bad made an end of all these words.

Jdt_10:1  Καὶ ἐγένετο ὡς ἐπαύσατο βοῶσα πρὸς τὸν θεὸν Ισραηλ καὶ συνετέλεσεν πάντα τὰ ῥήματα ταῦτα,

Jdt_10:2  She rose where she had fallen down, and called her maid, and went down into the house in the which she abode in the sabbath days, and in her feast days,

Jdt_10:2  καὶ ἀνέστη ἀπὸ τῆς πτώσεως καὶ ἐκάλεσεν τὴν ἅβραν αὐτῆς καὶ κατέβη εἰς τὸν οἶκον, ἐν ᾧ διέτριβεν ἐν αὐτῷ ἐν ταῖς ἡμέραις τῶν σαββάτων καὶ ἐν ταῖς ἑορταῖς αὐτῆς,

Jdt_10:3  And pulled off the sackcloth which she had on, and put off the garments of her widowhood, and washed her body all over with water, and anointed herself with precious ointment, and braided the hair of her head, and put on a tire upon it, and put on her garments of gladness, wherewith she was clad during the life of Manasses her husband.

Jdt_10:3  καὶ περιείλατο τὸν σάκκον, ὃν ἐνεδεδύκει, καὶ ἐξεδύσατο τὰ ἱμάτια τῆς χηρεύσεως αὐτῆς καὶ περιεκλύσατο τὸ σῶμα ὕδατι καὶ ἐχρίσατο μύρῳ παχεῖ καὶ διέξανε τὰς τρίχας τῆς κεφαλῆς αὐτῆς καὶ ἐπέθετο μίτραν ἐπ᾿ αὐτῆς καὶ ἐνεδύσατο τὰ ἱμάτια τῆς εὐφροσύνης αὐτῆς, ἐν οἷς ἐστολίζετο ἐν ταῖς ἡμέραις τῆς ζωῆς τοῦ ἀνδρὸς αὐτῆς Μανασση,

Jdt_10:4  And she took sandals upon her feet, and put about her her bracelets, and her chains, and her rings, and her earrings, and all her ornaments, and decked herself bravely, to allure the eyes of all men that should see her.

Jdt_10:4  καὶ ἔλαβεν σανδάλια εἰς τοὺς πόδας αὐτῆς καὶ περιέθετο τοὺς χλιδῶνας καὶ τὰ ψέλια καὶ τοὺς δακτυλίους καὶ τὰ ἐνώτια καὶ πάντα τὸν κόσμον αὐτῆς καὶ ἐκαλλωπίσατο σφόδρα εἰς ἀπάτησιν ὀφθαλμῶν ἀνδρῶν, ὅσοι ἂν ἴδωσιν αὐτήν.

Jdt_10:5  Then she gave her maid a bottle of wine, and a cruse of oil, and filled a bag with parched corn, and lumps of figs, and with fine bread; so she folded all these things together, and laid them upon her.

Jdt_10:5  καὶ ἔδωκεν τῇ ἅβρᾳ αὐτῆς ἀσκοπυτίνην οἴνου καὶ καψάκην ἐλαίου καὶ πήραν ἐπλήρωσεν ἀλφίτων καὶ παλάθης καὶ ἄρτων καθαρῶν καὶ περιεδίπλωσε πάντα τὰ ἀγγεῖα αὐτῆς καὶ ἐπέθηκεν αὐτῇ.

Jdt_10:6  Thus they went forth to the gate of the city of Bethulia, and found standing there Ozias and the ancients of the city, Chabris and Charmis.

Jdt_10:6  καὶ ἐξήλθοσαν ἐπὶ τὴν πύλην τῆς πόλεως Βαιτυλουα καὶ εὕροσαν ἐφεστῶτα ἐπ᾿ αὐτῇ Οζιαν καὶ τοὺς πρεσβυτέρους τῆς πόλεως Χαβριν καὶ Χαρμιν·

Jdt_10:7  And when they saw her, that her countenance was altered, and her apparel was changed, they wondered at her beauty very greatly, and said unto her.

Jdt_10:7  ὡς δὲ εἶδον αὐτὴν καὶ ἦν ἠλλοιωμένον τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτῆς καὶ τὴν στολὴν μεταβεβληκυῖαν αὐτῆς, καὶ ἐθαύμασαν ἐπὶ τῷ κάλλει αὐτῆς ἐπὶ πολὺ σφόδρα καὶ εἶπαν αὐτῇ

Jdt_10:8  The God, the God of our fathers give thee favour, and accomplish thine enterprizes to the glory of the children of Israel, and to the exaltation of Jerusalem. Then they worshipped God.

Jdt_10:8  Ὁ θεὸς τῶν πατέρων ἡμῶν δῴη σε εἰς χάριν καὶ τελειώσαι τὰ ἐπιτηδεύματά σου εἰς γαυρίαμα υἱῶν Ισραηλ καὶ ὕψωμα Ιερουσαλημ.

 

The Praise of Real Widows

Praised Widows

 

These previous considerations bring us back to the beginning of 1Ti_5 when talking about Real Widows…

 

1Ti_5:3 CAB  Honor [τίμα] widows who are really widows.

1Ti_5:3  Χήρας τίμα τὰς ὄντως χήρας.

√ GNT-V

 

Paul commands obeyers to Value-honor real widows (1Ti_5:5)

 

So…

Don’t disqualify yourself from being the Praise of the Assemblies *!

 

* 2Co_8:18 (praise is in …all the churches); Act_6:3 (deacons of good reputation); Act_10:22 (Cornelius…good reputation); 3Jo_1:12 (good testimony from all); Php_2:29 (such men in esteem); Rom_16:1-2 (Phoebe)

 

2Co_8:16 CAB  But thanks be to God who puts the same earnest care for you in the heart of Titus.

2Co_8:16  Χάρις δὲ τῷ Θεῷ τῷ διδόντι τὴν αὐτὴν σπουδὴν ὑπὲρ ὑμῶν ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ Τίτου,

2Co_8:16  χαρις δε τω θεω τω Aδοντι TSBδιδοντι την αυτην σπουδην υπερ υμων εν τη καρδια τιτου

2Co_8:17 Because he accepted my appeal, but being more diligent, he came to you of his own accord.

2Co_8:17  ὅτι τὴν μὲν παράκλησιν ἐδέξατο, σπουδαιότερος δὲ ὑπάρχων αὐθαίρετος ἐξῆλθε πρὸς ὑμᾶς.

2Co_8:17  οτι την μεν παρακλησιν εδεξατο σπουδαιοτερος δε υπαρχων αυθαιρετος εξηλθεν προς υμας

2Co_8:18 And we sent together with him the brother whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches,

2Co_8:18  συνεπέμψαμεν δὲ μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ τὸν ἀδελφὸν οὗ ὁ ἔπαινος ἐν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ διὰ πασῶν τῶν ἐκκλησιῶν·

 

‘praised… in the good-message throughout all the assemblies’ (2Co_8:18) ≈ REAL Widow -- praised for enduring [προσμένει] (1Ti_5:5) in affliction and self-denial (1Ti_5:5-6)

 

The Point: If you are unmarried, live as the praised Widows of afflicted self-denial so you can (A) be the praise of the Assemblies, and (B) grow up into a wise prophetess!

 

Widow’s Affliction (Examples) > LOW <<<<

Affliction of Widows Throughout the Bible

 

Situational Affliction

 

Job_29:13 WEB  the blessing of him who was ready to perish came on me, and I caused the widow's heart to sing for joy.

Job_29:13 CAB  Let the blessing of the perishing one come upon me; indeed, the mouth of the widow has blessed me.

Job_29:13  εὐλογία ἀπολλυμένου ἐπ᾿ ἐμὲ ἔλθοι, στόμα δὲ χήρας με εὐλόγησεν.

 

Jas_1:27 CAB  Pure and undefiled religion [θρησκεία καθαρὰ καὶ ἀμίαντος] before [παρὰ] God and the Father is this: to care for [ἐπισκέπτεσθαι – scope-upon; visit NKJV] orphans and widows in their affliction [ἐν τῇ θλίψει αὐτῶν; fig: trouble NKJV], and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

Jas_1:27  θρησκεία καθαρὰ καὶ ἀμίαντος παρὰ τῷ Θεῷ καὶ πατρὶ αὕτη ἐστίν, ἐπισκέπτεσθαι ὀρφανοὺς καὶ χήρας ἐν τῇ θλίψει αὐτῶν, ἄσπιλον ἑαυτὸν τηρεῖν ἀπὸ τοῦ κόσμου.

Jas_1:27  θρησκεια καθαρα και αμιαντος παρα TSAτω θεω και πατρι αυτη εστιν επισκεπτεσθαι ορφανους και χηρας εν τη θλιψει αυτων ασπιλον εαυτον τηρειν απο του κοσμου

To visit: Job_29:12, Job_29:13, Job_31:15-20, Psa_68:5, Isa_1:16, Isa_1:17, Isa_58:6, Isa_58:7, Mat_25:34-46, Gal_5:6, Gal_6:9, Gal_6:10, 1Jo_3:17-19

 

Persecution of Widows -- Forbidden

 

>>Scrip: ES:

Deu_10:18 NKJV He administers justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the stranger, giving him food and clothing.

 

Exo_22:22-24 NKJV You shall not afflict any widow or fatherless child. If you afflict them in any way, and they cry at all to Me, I will surely hear their cry; and My wrath will become hot, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.

 

 

Deu_24:17 NKJV You shall not pervert justice due the stranger or the fatherless, nor take a widow’s garment as a pledge.

 

Deu_27:19 NKJV Cursed is the one who perverts the justice due the stranger, the fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’

 

Job_24:3 NKJV They drive away the donkey of the fatherless; they take the widow’s ox as a pledge.

 

Job_24:21 NKJV For he preys on the barren who do not bear, and does no good for the widow.

 

Psa_94:6 NKJV They slay the widow and the stranger, and murder the fatherless.

 

Isa_1:23 NKJV Your princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves; Everyone loves bribes, and follows after rewards. They do not defend the fatherless, nor does the cause of the widow come before them.

 

Isa_10:1-2 NKJV “Woe to those who decree unrighteous decrees, Who write misfortune, Which they have prescribed

To rob the needy of justice, And to take what is right from the poor of My people, That widows may be their prey, And that they may rob the fatherless.”

 

Jer_7:6 NKJV If you do not oppress the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place, or walk after other gods to your hurt,

Jer_22:3 NKJV Thus says the Lord: “Execute judgment and righteousness, and deliver the plundered out of the hand of the oppressor. Do no wrong and do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, or the widow…”

Eze_22:7 NKJV In you they have made light of father and mother; in your midst they have oppressed the stranger; in you they have mistreated the fatherless and the widow.

Zec_7:10 NKJV Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the alien or the poor. Let none of you plan evil in his heart against his brother.

 

Mal_3:5 NKJV And I will come near you for judgment; I will be a swift witness against sorcerers, adulterers, perjurers, against those who exploit wage earners and widows and orphans…

 

Mat_23:14 NKJV Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.

 

Luk_20:47 NKJV who devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. These will receive greater condemnation.

 

 

GPT: Summary of Themes in the Affliction of Widows

 

Anna the Widow-Prophetess

Luk_2:36-38

Luk_2:36 CAB  Now there was one, Anna, a prophetess, a daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was of a great age, and had lived with a husband seven years from her virginity;

Luk_2:36  Καὶ ἦν ῎Αννα προφῆτις, θυγάτηρ Φανουήλ, ἐκ φυλῆς ᾿Ασήρ· αὕτη προβεβηκυῖα ἐν ἡμέραις πολλαῖς, ζήσασα ἔτη μετὰ ἀνδρὸς ἑπτὰ ἀπὸ τῆς παρθενίας αὐτῆς,

Luk_2:36  και ην αννα προφητις θυγατηρ φανουηλ εκ φυλης ασηρ αυτη προβεβηκυια εν ημεραις πολλαις ζησασα TSBετη μετα ανδρος Aετη επτα απο της παρθενιας αυτης

Luk_2:37  and she was a widow of about eighty-four years, who did not depart from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.

Luk_2:37  καὶ αὐτὴ χήρα ὡς ἐτῶν ὀγδοήκοντα τεσσάρων, ἣ οὐκ ἀφίστατο ἀπὸ τοῦ ἱεροῦ νηστείαις καὶ δεήσεσι λατρεύουσα νύκτα καὶ ἡμέραν.

Luk_2:37  και αυτη χηρα Aεως TSBως ετων BAογδοηκοντα BAτεσσαρων TSογδοηκοντατεσσαρων η ουκ αφιστατο TSBαπο του ιερου νηστειαις και δεησεσιν λατρευουσα νυκτα και ημεραν

Luk_2:38 And coming in that instant [ὥρᾳ] she was giving thanks to the Lord, and was speaking about Him to all those who waited for redemption in Jerusalem.

Luk_2:38  καὶ αὕτη αὐτῇ τῇ ὥρᾳ ἐπιστᾶσα ἀνθωμολογεῖτο τῷ Κυρίῳ καὶ ἐλάλει περὶ αὐτοῦ πᾶσι τοῖς προσδεχομένοις λύτρωσιν ᾿Ιερουσαλήμ.

Luk_2:38  και αυτη TSBαυτη τη ωρα επιστασα ανθωμολογειτο τω Aθεω TSBκυριω και ελαλει περι αυτου πασιν τοις προσδεχομενοις λυτρωσιν TSBεν ιερουσαλημ

 

Notice the extra voluntary affliction of Anna the Widow-Prophetess!

 

You want to know what’s going on spiritually?

Do (A) extra justice to marriage, and (B) extra self-denial to celibacy, and (C) grow as old in virtue and wisdom as much as you’re permitted, then you’re ambitiously reaching to be like Anna the prophetess who announces the bless and honorable coming of Anointed One!

 

Old Wisdom

 

See: TRU > Old Wisdom

TRUTH-Obsession.htm#OldWisdom

 

The Saving Virtue of Widowhood

The Salvation of a Widow's Virtue

7/5/25-7/6/25; 8/10/25

 

Time to Reflect & Apply

We need to reflect on what we have just learned and consider these virtuous instructions so that we might have faith in the truth and be saved.

 

Concluding on Virtuous Widowhood

for salvation - A Review Summary

·         Monogamous: A righteous saved widow of virtue was only involved with one man.

·         Virgin: Before marriage she worked hard in self-denial, turning away from all men.

·         Righteous Wife: When she was married she glorified the parable.

·         Resumed Separation: As soon as she was a widow she immediately turned right back to purity, chastity, and self-denial.

·         Single, Married, Widowed: As a single she was clean, when married she honored monogamy, as a widow she resumed her glorious sacrifice.

·         Wisdom: Now she has the aged Glory of virtue.

·         Humbled Exaltation: This life has demoted her, but the Truth has honored her.

·         Enlisted: She is honored, validated, praised, and glorified as an example for all to imitate by the inspired Truth of the assemblies approval.

 

Application of Saving Widowhood

·         Exclusivity: The salvation of this praised widow of virtue has taught all of humanity that a woman's beauty and Glory only belongs to her husband in marriage.

·         Pollution Gets Hell: All pampering and indulgence and elaborating the beauty outside of this glorious widow's virtue ends in hell and condemnation, and it is for this very reason that…

·         Saved From Indulgence: Jesus came to save us from our sins (Matthew 1:21), including the prostitution of elaborating beauty and indulging in elaborate pleasures outside of marriage and the prescribed rejoicing of monotheism.

 

The Point: a woman's elaborated and glorified beauty only belongs to her husband in marriage and a widow's saving virtue absolutely proves this

 

Be saved by the real Jesus of Bible obedience from the invalid unlawful pampering luxury indulgences of this age, and the hate crimes of elaborating, publicly displaying, and prostituting beauty outside of marriage.

 

Makeup of Doom!

Makeup = Hell -- Flee Beware of the Makeup of Doom!

6/13/25 [6/13/25-6/15/25]; 6/19/25-6/20/25

[All of these are quoted herein…]

 

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Makeup has been “wrong” until the 20th century when Hollywood and prostitution culture brought it to church…

How have we fallen this far so as to willingly engage public sexual immorality with boldly prostituted faces in church!?

 

Preview

Have you heard of…

·         The dirty perverted immoral apostate condemned daughters of Zion (Isa_3:16) with their condemned immodest looks? Or…

·         The Doomed Makeup of Jezebel (2Ki_9:30)? Or…

·         The parabolic prostitutions of rebellious-apostate Israel (Jer_4:30; Eze_23:40)?

 

Is it coincidental that makeup is always presented as sinful in the Bible?

 

Do you realize that makeup has always been (A) cursed and demonic from the beginning, and that it (B) directly opposes everything the Bible commands for women to do to be saved, and that (C) makeup continues as a core part of the dirty demonic sexual sin crimes of the End-Times (2Ki_9:30; Rev_2:20) -- and makes you part of the prostitute of antichrist in the end times?

 

Are you ready to fall into hell as daughters (Eze_16:15, Eze_16:35, Eze_16:45, etc.) of the rebellious-apostate End-Times Jezebel-prostitute?

i.e. prostitute… Like mother like daughter

 

Some have blasphemed Esther of using Makeup.

If she did, it was not publically, but only for private marriage, and it was not recorded in the Bible -- contrary to some people’s misunderstandings.

Cosmetics in the Greek LXX ≠ Makeup today -- this might be a point of linguistic confusion for some.

Cosmetics in Greek ≈ arranging one’s self to be presented in public. -- in the Bible, only prostitutes included paint or makeup in this process (2Ki_9:30; Jer_4:30; Eze_23:40)

 

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Makeup Summary

·         Enoch! (Rebellion-apostasy)

·         Egypt! (Paganism-Polytheism)

·         2Ki_9:30 – Jezebel paints her eyes, adorns head, & is executed (2Ki_9:33)

·         Isa_3:16 – Proud lustful eyes of judged daughters of Zion

·         Jer_4:30 – Fine clothes, adornment, painted eyes, vain beautification of prostitute

·         Eze_23:40 – bathed, painted eyes, & adornment of prostitute

·         Jesus! (Mat_5:27-30 (2Pe_2:14); Mat_15:19/Mar_7:21 (Pro_4:23); Pro_6:25; Pro_27:20; Isa_3:16; Job_31:1)

·         Early Church

·         Today (Rebellion-apostasy)

 

GPT: Makeup as seduction: Prophetic texts use cosmetics like eye-paint to symbolize spiritual adultery and resemblance to pagan/harlot nations.

GPT: Summary: These passages portray makeup and adornment as symbols of spiritual unfaithfulness—Jezebel and apostate Israel/Judah are likened to prostitutes who use cosmetics to seduce and oppose God

GPT: Isaiah condemns the Daughters of Zion for their pride and excessive adornment—crowns, jewelry, perfumes—warning that such ornamentation will be stripped away in judgment

https://www.openbible.info/topics/adornment?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

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How lofty are their eyes!

 

Enoch

 

Egypt

Moses went to great lengths to separate the children if Israel from the nations, the first of which was Egypt -- which we can all see used makeup extensively in connecting to their pagan deities.

 

Jeremiah 4

Jer_4:30 WEB  You, when you are made desolate, what will you do? Though you clothe yourself with scarlet, though you deck you with ornaments of gold, though you enlarge your eyes with paint, in vain do you make yourself beautiful; your lovers despise you, they seek your life.

Jer_4:30 LB  And what will you do? Though you clothe yourself with scarlet, and adorn yourself with golden ornaments; though you adorn your eyes with paint, your beauty shall be in vain. Your lovers have rejected you, they seek your life.

Jer_4:30  καὶ σὺ τί ποιήσεις, ἐὰν περιβάλῃ κόκκινον καὶ κοσμήσῃ κόσμῳ χρυσῷ καὶ ἐὰν ἐγχρίσῃ στίβι τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς σου; εἰς μάτην ὁ ὡραϊμός σου· ἀπώσαντό σε οἱ ἐρασταί σου, τὴν ψυχήν σου ζητοῦσιν.

 

 

Ezekiel 23

Eze_23:40 WEB  Furthermore you have sent for men who come from far, to whom a messenger was sent, and behold, they came; for whom you did wash yourself, paint your eyes, and deck yourself with ornaments,

Eze_23:40 LB  and whereas they did thus to the men that came from afar, to whom they sent messengers, and as soon as they came, immediately you washed yourself, and painted your eyes and adorned yourself with ornaments,

Eze_23:40  καὶ ὅτι τοῖς ἀνδράσιν τοῖς ἐρχομένοις μακρόθεν, οἷς ἀγγέλους ἐξαπεστέλλοσαν πρὸς αὐτούς, καὶ ἅμα τῷ ἔρχεσθαι αὐτοὺς εὐθὺς ἐλούου καὶ ἐστιβίζου τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς σου καὶ ἐκόσμου κόσμῳ

 

Also compare the many hot condemnations of luxurious clothing

Rev_17:4 NKJV  The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.

 

Enoch

 

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What's Wrong with Makeup?

6/13/25-6/15/25

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·         Lie: Makeup is false “beauty” -- so be careful: everything that makes a lie goes to the lake of fire

·         Apostasy: Makeup puts you right in line with the End-Times Jezebel Prostitute!

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·         Harlot = Jezebel: The Harlot in Revelation (Rev_14:8; Rev_17 – Rev_19) is called “Jezebel” (Rev_2:20 = i.e. 1Ki_16 – 2Ki_9) -- as seen below…
(...not called “Jezebel” for no reason folks!)

·         If you’re doing Makeup, you’re imitating the End-Times Jezebel Prostitute and fulfilling the end-times apostasy of religious prostitution! (Isa_52:11-12; Jer_51:44-45 *, etc.; 2Co_6:14-182Co_7:1; Rev_18:1-5, etc.; -- i.e. Isa_52:11 = Jer_51:45 * = 2Co_6:17 = Rev_18:4 [* MT & ABP])

·         That's precisely why your Makeup of Doom leads straight to Hell!

 

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2th

Absain from all appearance of evil

 

Not only should we not look like a harlot

Much more should we not commit the visual crimes of makeup harlotry

 

 

Makeup is Sin

Other date(s) (seen above); 6/21/25-6/22/25

Proud Public Prostitution are often made up of Makeup…

·         The Bible says to flee prostitution and makeup is part of prostitution in the Bible.

·         The visual acts of displaying public prostitution for the hateful sins of the eyes start the sin crimes of the physical acts of committing prostitution in the body.

·         The World, including the church, typically think that the crime starts in the body, but Jesus clearly teaches that the condemned murder sins of lust start with the eyes into the heart which directly earn hell.

·         With the morality of biblical modesty obeyers use clothing to cover up and hide beauty, which does not in any way allow someone to paint up with makeup to show off an advertise artificially exaggerated sensual beauty. Makeup is one of the furthest things possibly imaginable from Biblical modesty.

·         Makeup is a sexual adornment of someone's personal facial beauty to invite the admiration which the Bible describes as visual prostitution and adultery which totally contradicts biblical chastity and modesty requirements for salvation.

·         Women are not even allowed to pursue adornment of clothing in public, much less are they allowed to sensationalize their personal facial beauty which openly engages in lust.

·         Just because we've normalized prostitution in luxurious prostitution cultures doesn't mean that humans are logically allowed to deny the sexual murder that is occurring which is overtly condemned by the Bible and noticed by everyone who is clean in the heart and groaning to escape the hatefulness of mass prostitutions

·         If anyone defends makeup or downplays it's visual prostitution, this character scandal clearly displays that they are an adulterer at heart

 

Is Makeup ALWAYS Sinful?

6/21/25

·         When is Makeup Sinful?

·         Makeup is wrong to use for public display of (personal) beauty - which is condemned prostitution, fornication, and or adulterous sexual immorality all throughout the Bible.

·         Makeup that paints artistic artificial beauty on a person's skin for public presentation of oneself to social situations (outside of your family) is always prostituting personal beauty.

·         When coming against Makeup, this is always the context of the sin which the Bible constantly condemns.

·         It may or may not be appropriate or helpful or virtuous to cover up blemishes or to play around in marriage with paint - these are not directly discussed or condemned when the Bible forbids adornment of women in public, or even when condemning makeup specifically.

 

Adulterers Don't Object to Makeup!

6/21/25

 

Adulterers Don't Object to Makeup, but the Bible DOES!

 

Visual heart adulterers don't find anything inherently wrong when women wear makeup

 

So don't be surprised when they support this ancient demonic visual harlotry rebellion against all historical monotheism from Enoch to the Bible to the early church

 

Remember what we already know about virtually all rebellious end times apostates...

 

As with all immodesty and public prostitution of sexual immorality...

 

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Eyes full of adultery

 

No wonder they don't think makeup is wrong! because they're constantly fornicating with face paint makeup is considered a light matter compared to the gross depth of adultery that is constantly exchanging through their eyes!

 

So if what you really wanted was to tango (or dance) with fornicators you've got plenty of prostitution affirmations (affirming council) and encouragement toward harlotry coming at you from virtually every apostate church and every sleazy dirty Church teacher around the corner.

 

 

Liars Are OK with Makeup

 

Church Lies: the Bible does not inherently forbid makeup, but calls for motives of modesty, inner beauty, and godly character

They only ask: if makeup is enhancing God-given features modestly or for pride and attention-seeking

with NO morality or binding Truth!

>>> Read & Harvest:

https://biblereasons.com/is-wearing-makeup-a-sin/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.christianwebsite.com/what-does-the-bible-say-about-makeup-kjv/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://biblicalpathway.com/what-does-the-bible-say-about-makeup/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

DLM Christian Lifestyle

Video: Should CHRISTIAN WOMEN wear MAKEUP & JEWELRY?

By DLM Christian Lifestyle

WARNING: Men should not even look at the thumbnail preview or most of the content of this horrible “christian” video

https://youtu.be/mfLJOqxGN6k?si=fEZCP6eKOnpI6EUv

file:///C:\Files\Videos--YouTube\Bible-Videos\PUR--VideoResources\Should CHRISTIAN WOMEN wear MAKEUP & JEWELRY-cut-merged-1750608898254.mp4

 

David Servant

Video: Is It Wrong for Women to Wear Makeup Little Lessons with David Servant

Liar says: ‘we can’t find any specific condemnation in scritpure’

File:///C:\Files\Videos--YouTube\Bible-Videos\PUR--VideoResources\Is It Wrong for Women to Wear Makeup Little Lessons with David Servant-cut-merged-1750525127299.mp4

 

Got Questions

Video: Should Christian women wear makeup or jewelry

WARNING: Men should not even look at the thumbnail preview or most of the content of this horrible “christian” video

Vague Terminology

‘Paul gives no specifics’

‘modesty can be subjective’

Overindulgence and excess are improper for church

Don’t rely on outward adornment

Don’t spend an inordinate amount of time on adornments

file:///C:\Files\Videos--YouTube\Bible-Videos\PUR--VideoResources\Should Christian women wear makeup or jewelry-cut-merged-1750609896569.mp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pPsw16d_2w

 

Pastor Mike Novotny

Video: Is Wearing Makeup a Sin ⧸⧸ Tough Questions With Pastor Mike Novotny-cut-merged-1750610573282.mkv

Vague

Confusing “changing yourself” with healthiness and clothes, and a haircut, adorning on a wedding day, with makeup and jewelry and shaving

‘We need to be careful to not add rules to the bible’

‘Beauty is not a problem with g-d’ -- as if marriage is at all morally similar or comparable with prostitution!

‘Issue of the heart’

C:\Files\Videos--YouTube\Bible-Videos\PUR--VideoResources\Is Wearing Makeup a Sin ⧸⧸ Tough Questions With Pastor Mike Novotny-cut-merged-1750610573282.mkv

 

 

Vague Language = Wolves!

 

Conventional lazy thinking and approval of public visual prostitution
Anti-purity rhetoric of self authenticating prostitution culture

 

Is it about “vanity” and “excessiveness” of focusing “too much” on your outward appearance?

Repent of using typical vague language and words to address this horrible crime that is murdering sexuality to no end!

You have to be a “legalist” to be saved from Makeup these days…

 

The Bible Forbids Makeup?

Does the Bible Forbid Make up?

Other date(s); 6/20/25

 

 

Church people like to say that the Bible doesn't outright forbid makeup but that's misleading because 1 Tim 2 does in fact actually literally forbid a woman to cosmetically arrange herself with adornment to present herself in public, which would include not only makeup but also external decorations.

 

So while “makeup” itself is not forbidden, in actual practice everything most people use it for to beautify women’s appearance in public is in fact condemned.

 

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See: WOW > Don’t Learn the Ways of the Nations (who don’t know God)

Woes-of-Worldliness.htm

 

Yes, the Bible commands you many times to repent of doing the outrageous things that lead straight to hell!

 

DON’T Do Makeup (or any public adornment), but do the opposite!

 

1Ti_2:9; 1Pe_3:3 – NO Public Adornment! (Reminders)

..but do the hiddenness of MODESTY in public instead!

 

Women are commanded to be modest and hide their beauty from visual prostitution and adultery! (Mat_5:27-30 (2Pe_2:14); Mat_15:19/Mar_7:21 (Pro_4:23); Pro_6:25; Pro_27:20; Isa_3:16; Job_31:1 & comp. 1Ti_2:9-10 1Pe_3:3-4)

 

Women are not allowed to cosmetically arrange themselves with beautiful things to appear in public for others to see (1Ti_2:9-10 1Pe_3:3-4) and makeup is the very worst form of these public adornments which is directly applied to the skin their body to instigate/initiate/start/activate direct visual bodily sexual crimes of mass-visual prostitution of personal beauty in public!

 

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Flee prostitution

 

Don’t display visual prostitutions when the Bible commands you to flee it, even from your heart! -- you’re not fleeing when you are already committing these sexual crimes visually with your body and in men’s hearts!

 

Makeup IS Condemned!

Makeup is Doomed all Throughout the Bible

 

The Bible very consistently typifies makeup as part of prostitution and completely forbids the very notion of showing off beauty in the first place to begin with, much less does it ever tolerate flagrantly adorning it for public display!

 

Remember: Jer_4:30

We see that adorning oneself with expensive clothes of luxury correlates with panting the face with personal-sexual beauty lust.

Never mind the heretics that say there are no Bible verses that forbid makeup when it is tied into the worst progression after luxury which is entirely forbidden the Peter and Paul!

There’s No command against makeup?

Open your eyes!

The Whole Bible forbids prostitution and specifically associates sexual crimes as results of luxury crimes (Jeremiah; Luk_16:, Revelation, etc.)

Stop up the mouths of those ignorant filthy liars of Bible-disobedience who continue in sin and pretend the Bible doesn’t condemn makeup when it has totally incriminated it’s entire posterity from the roots up!

 

 

Makeup in Marriage vs. Outside of It?

What About Makeup in Marriage?

·         Do you want to use Makeup in private for marriage?
Ok, maybe in some limited cases… (there’s no absolute rules against that)

·         Do you want to use Makeup publically (like most people) &/or outside of marriage at all?
You’re going to hell for rebellious prostitution that is condemned all throughout the Bible!

 

 

Jezebel’s Makeup of Doom

 

Preview

·         Makeup: 2Ki_9:30 – Jezebel paints her eyes (makeup), & adorns head

·         Execution: 2Ki_9:33 – Jezebel is thrown to the ground (doom)

 

>>> Hebrew!!!

ES: Jehu Executes Jezebel - Jezebel’s Violent Death

2Ki_9:30 WEB  When Jehu was come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she painted her eyes, and attired [i.e. made good/well/nice] her head, and looked out at the window.

2Ki_9:30 LB  Now when Jehu came to Jezreel, Jezebel had heard of it, and colored her eyes [ἐστιμίσατο τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς], and adorned [ἠγάθυνεν – i.e. made good; ABP Greek: ≈ Cosmetic-ified] her head, and looked out through the window.

2Ki_9:30  Καὶ ἦλθεν Ιου εἰς Ιεζραελ· καὶ Ιεζαβελ ἤκουσεν καὶ ἐστιμίσατο τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς αὐτῆς καὶ ἠγάθυνεν τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτῆς καὶ διέκυψεν διὰ τῆς θυρίδος.

2Ki_9:31 WEB  As Jehu entered in at the gate, she said, Do you come in peace, Zimri, you murderer of your master?

2Ki_9:31 And Jehu entered into the city, and she said, “Is it peace, Zimri, murderer of your master?”

2Ki_9:31  καὶ Ιου εἰσεπορεύετο ἐν τῇ πόλει, καὶ εἶπεν Εἰ εἰρήνη, Ζαμβρι ὁ φονευτὴς τοῦ κυρίου αὐτοῦ;

2Ki_9:32 WEB  He lifted up his face to the window, and said, Who is on my side? who? There looked out to him two or three eunuchs.

2Ki_9:32 And he lifted up his face toward the window, and saw her, and said, “Who are you? Come down with me.” And two eunuchs looked down towards him.

2Ki_9:32  καὶ ἐπῆρεν τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ εἰς τὴν θυρίδα καὶ εἶδεν αὐτὴν καὶ εἶπεν Τίς εἶ σύ; κατάβηθι μετ᾿ ἐμοῦ. καὶ κατέκυψαν πρὸς αὐτὸν δύο εὐνοῦχοι·

2Ki_9:33 WEB  He said, Throw her down. So they threw her down; and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses: and he trod her under foot.

2Ki_9:33 And he said, “Throw her down.” And they threw her down, and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses; and they trampled on her.

2Ki_9:33  καὶ εἶπεν Κυλίσατε αὐτήν· καὶ ἐκύλισαν αὐτήν, καὶ ἐρραντίσθη τοῦ αἵματος αὐτῆς πρὸς τὸν τοῖχον καὶ πρὸς τοὺς ἵππους, καὶ συνεπάτησαν αὐτήν.

2Ki_9:34 WEB  When he was come in, he ate and drink; and he said, See now to this cursed woman, and bury her; for she is a king's daughter.

2Ki_9:34 And Jehu went in and ate and drank, and said, “Look after this accursed [κατηραμένην] woman, and bury her, for she is a king's daughter.”

2Ki_9:34  καὶ εἰσῆλθεν Ιου καὶ ἔφαγεν καὶ ἔπιεν καὶ εἶπεν Ἐπισκέψασθε δὴ τὴν κατηραμένην ταύτην καὶ θάψατε αὐτήν, ὅτι θυγάτηρ βασιλέως ἐστίν.

2Ki_9:35 WEB  They went to bury her; but they found no more of her than the skull, and the feet, and the palms of her hands.

2Ki_9:35 And they went to bury her; but they found no more of her but the skull and the feet and the palms of her hands.

2Ki_9:35  καὶ ἐπορεύθησαν θάψαι αὐτὴν καὶ οὐχ εὗρον ἐν αὐτῇ ἄλλο τι ἢ τὸ κρανίον καὶ οἱ πόδες καὶ τὰ ἴχνη τῶν χειρῶν.

2Ki_9:36 WEB  Therefore they came back, and told him. He said, This is the word of Yahweh, which he spoke by his servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel shall the dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel;

2Ki_9:36 And they returned and told him. And he said, “It is the word of the Lord, which He spoke by the hand of Elijah the Tishbite, saying, ‘In the portion of Jezreel shall the dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel.

2Ki_9:36  καὶ ἐπέστρεψαν καὶ ἀνήγγειλαν αὐτῷ, καὶ εἶπεν Λόγος κυρίου, ὃν ἐλάλησεν ἐν χειρὶ δούλου αὐτοῦ Ηλιου τοῦ Θεσβίτου λέγων Ἐν τῇ μερίδι Ιεζραελ καταφάγονται οἱ κύνες τὰς σάρκας Ιεζαβελ,

2Ki_9:37 WEB  and the body of Jezebel shall be as dung on the face of the field in the portion of Jezreel, so that they shall not say, This is Jezebel.

2Ki_9:37 And the carcass of Jezebel shall be as dung on the face of the field in the portion of Jezreel, so that they shall not say, “This is Jezebel.”’”

2Ki_9:37  καὶ ἔσται τὸ θνησιμαῖον Ιεζαβελ ὡς κοπρία ἐπὶ προσώπου τοῦ ἀγροῦ ἐν τῇ μερίδι Ιεζραελ ὥστε μὴ εἰπεῖν αὐτούς Ιεζαβελ.

 

Jezebel -- GPT’s Summaries:

·         1Ki_16:31 – Jezebel, daughter of Ethbaal king of the Sidonians, becomes Ahab’s wife

·         1Ki_18:4 – Jezebel cuts off the prophets of the Lord

·         1Ki_18:13 – Jezebel kills the prophets of the Lord

·         1Ki_19:1 – Ahab tells Jezebel everything Elijah did

·         1Ki_19:2 – Jezebel threatens Elijah’s life [‘Thus the gods do, and thus do they add—surely about this time tomorrow, I make your life as the life of one of them’]

·         1Ki_21:5 – Jezebel asks Ahab why he is sullen over Naboth

·         1Ki_21:7 – Jezebel tells Ahab she will get Naboth’s vineyard for him

·         1Ki_21:8 – Jezebel writes letters in Ahab’s name

·         1Ki_21:11 – The elders do as Jezebel commanded

·         1Ki_21:14 – Jezebel is told that Naboth is dead

·         1Ki_21:15 – Jezebel tells Ahab to take possession of Naboth’s vineyard

·         1Ki_21:23 – Elijah prophesies that dogs shall eat Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel

·         2Ki_9:7Jehu is told he will strike the house of Ahab because of Jezebel

·         2Ki_9:10 – Prophecy is repeated that dogs shall eat Jezebel in Jezreel

·         2Ki_9:22 – Jehu says Jezebel’s harlotries and sorceries bring no peace

·         2Ki_9:30Jezebel paints her face

·         2Ki_9:33 – Jezebel is thrown to the ground

·         2Ki_9:35 – Jezebel’s body is devoured by dogs

·         2Ki_9:36-37 – Fulfillment of the word of the Lord spoken by Elijah about Jezebel

·         Rev_2:20 – The church at Thyatira tolerates “that woman Jezebel,” who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce God’s servants

ES on LSV: 20 verses found, 23 matches

 

So…

Rev_2:201Ki_162Ki_9

 

Comp. Herodias: Mat_14:3; Mat_14:6; Mrk_6:17; Mrk_6:19; Mrk_6:22; Luk_3:19

ES with LSV: 6 verses found, 6 matches; Jezebel (23) + Herodias (6) = 29

Herodias = x6 in Gospels

Babylon = x6 in Rev: Rev_14:8; Rev_16:19; Rev_17:5; Rev_18:2; Rev_18:10; Rev_18:21

 

Queen Jezebel (OT) ≈ Queen Herodias (NT) ≈ Queen Harlot (Rev_18:7) in the End-Times

Jezebel Tried to Kill Elijah (1Ki_19:2) ≈ Herodias Killed John the Baptist ≈ Queen Harlot Killing Holy Ones (Rev_17:6, etc.) & Anti-Christ is Persecuting the Two Witnesses in the End-Times (2Ti_3:8-9)

 

Rev-Prostitute -- GPT’s Summaries:

·         Rev_14:8Babylon is fallen, who made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication

·         Rev_17:1 – The great harlot sits on many waters

·         Rev_17:2 – The kings of the earth committed fornication with the harlot

·         Rev_17:3 – A woman sits on a scarlet beast, full of names of blasphemy

·         Rev_17:4 – The woman is arrayed in purple and scarlet, with a golden cup full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication

·         Rev_17:5 – The woman’s forehead is labeled: "Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and of the Abominations of the Earth"

·         Rev_17:6 – The woman is drunk with the blood of the saints and martyrs of Jesus

·         Rev_17:15 – The waters where the harlot sits are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues

·         Rev_17:16 – The beast and ten horns will hate the harlot, make her desolate, and burn her with fire [think: Eze_16:]

·         Rev_18:3 – All nations have drunk of the wine of her fornication, kings committed fornication with her, and merchants grew rich

·         Rev_18:7 – She says in her heart, "I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow"

·         Rev_18:9Kings of the earth who committed fornication with her will mourn her burning

·         Rev_18:11 – The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her

·         Rev_18:16 – "Alas, that great city… arrayed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet"

·         Rev_18:17 – In one hour such great riches came to nothing

·         Rev_19:2God has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication and avenged His servants’ blood on her

Babylon 263 verses found, 297 matches; 6 times in Rev

LSV 2Ki_17:24; 2Ki_17:30; 2Ki_20:12; 2Ki_20:14; 2Ki_20:17; 2Ki_20:18; 2Ki_24:1; 2Ki_24:7; 2Ki_24:10; 2Ki_24:11; 2Ki_24:12; 2Ki_24:15; 2Ki_24:16; 2Ki_24:17; 2Ki_24:20; 2Ki_25:1; 2Ki_25:6; 2Ki_25:7; 2Ki_25:8; 2Ki_25:11; 2Ki_25:13; 2Ki_25:20; 2Ki_25:21; 2Ki_25:22; 2Ki_25:23; 2Ki_25:24; 2Ki_25:27; 2Ki_25:28; 1Ch_9:1; 2Ch_32:31; 2Ch_33:11; 2Ch_36:6; 2Ch_36:7; 2Ch_36:10; 2Ch_36:18; 2Ch_36:20; Ezr_1:11; Ezr_2:1; Ezr_4:9; Ezr_5:12; Ezr_5:13; Ezr_5:14; Ezr_5:17; Ezr_6:1; Ezr_6:5; Ezr_7:6; Ezr_7:9; Ezr_7:16; Ezr_8:1; Neh_7:6; Neh_13:6; Est_2:6; Psa_137:1; Psa_137:8; Isa_13:1; Isa_13:19; Isa_14:4; Isa_14:22; Isa_21:9; Isa_39:1; Isa_39:3; Isa_39:6; Isa_39:7; Isa_43:14; Isa_47:1; Isa_48:14; Isa_48:20; Jer_20:4; Jer_20:5; Jer_20:6; Jer_21:2; Jer_21:4; Jer_21:7; Jer_21:10; Jer_22:25; Jer_24:1; Jer_25:1; Jer_25:9; Jer_25:11; Jer_25:12; Jer_27:6; Jer_27:8; Jer_27:9; Jer_27:11; Jer_27:12; Jer_27:13; Jer_27:14; Jer_27:16; Jer_27:17; Jer_27:18; Jer_27:20; Jer_27:22; Jer_28:2; Jer_28:3; Jer_28:4; Jer_28:6; Jer_28:11; Jer_28:14; Jer_29:1; Jer_29:3; Jer_29:4; Jer_29:10; Jer_29:15; Jer_29:20; Jer_29:21; Jer_29:22; Jer_29:28; Jer_32:2; Jer_32:3; Jer_32:4; Jer_32:5; Jer_32:28; Jer_32:36; Jer_34:1; Jer_34:2; Jer_34:3; Jer_34:7; Jer_34:21; Jer_35:11; Jer_36:29; Jer_37:1; Jer_37:17; Jer_37:19; Jer_38:3; Jer_38:17; Jer_38:18; Jer_38:22; Jer_38:23; Jer_39:1; Jer_39:3; Jer_39:5; Jer_39:6; Jer_39:7; Jer_39:9; Jer_39:11; Jer_39:13; Jer_40:1; Jer_40:4; Jer_40:5; Jer_40:7; Jer_40:9; Jer_40:11; Jer_41:2; Jer_41:18; Jer_42:11; Jer_43:3; Jer_43:10; Jer_44:30; Jer_46:2; Jer_46:13; Jer_46:26; Jer_49:28; Jer_49:30; Jer_50:1; Jer_50:2; Jer_50:8; Jer_50:9; Jer_50:13; Jer_50:14; Jer_50:16; Jer_50:17; Jer_50:18; Jer_50:23; Jer_50:24; Jer_50:28; Jer_50:29; Jer_50:34; Jer_50:35; Jer_50:42; Jer_50:43; Jer_50:45; Jer_50:46; Jer_51:1; Jer_51:2; Jer_51:6; Jer_51:7; Jer_51:8; Jer_51:9; Jer_51:11; Jer_51:12; Jer_51:24; Jer_51:29; Jer_51:30; Jer_51:31; Jer_51:33; Jer_51:34; Jer_51:35; Jer_51:37; Jer_51:41; Jer_51:42; Jer_51:44; Jer_51:47; Jer_51:48; Jer_51:49; Jer_51:53; Jer_51:54; Jer_51:55; Jer_51:56; Jer_51:58; Jer_51:59; Jer_51:60; Jer_51:61; Jer_51:64; Jer_52:3; Jer_52:4; Jer_52:9; Jer_52:10; Jer_52:11; Jer_52:12; Jer_52:15; Jer_52:17; Jer_52:26; Jer_52:27; Jer_52:31; Jer_52:32; Jer_52:34; Ezk_12:13; Ezk_17:12; Ezk_17:16; Ezk_17:20; Ezk_19:9; Ezk_21:19; Ezk_21:21; Ezk_23:15; Ezk_23:17; Ezk_23:23; Ezk_24:2; Ezk_26:7; Ezk_29:18; Ezk_29:19; Ezk_30:10; Ezk_30:24; Ezk_30:25; Ezk_32:11; Dan_1:1; Dan_2:12; Dan_2:14; Dan_2:18; Dan_2:24; Dan_2:48; Dan_2:49; Dan_3:1; Dan_3:12; Dan_3:30; Dan_4:6; Dan_4:29; Dan_4:30; Dan_5:7; Dan_7:1; Mic_4:10; Zec_2:7; Zec_6:10; Mat_1:11; Mat_1:12; Mat_1:17; Act_7:43; 1Pe_5:13; Rev_14:8; Rev_16:19; Rev_17:5; Rev_18:2; Rev_18:10; Rev_18:21.

 

So…

Rev_14:8; Rev_17Rev_19

Babylon = x6 in Rev

Herodias = x6 in Gospels

 

The Point: Beware of Jezebel’s Makeup of Doom, lest you also perish with her in sinful End-Times apostasy-rebellion of nasty beauty prostitution and adulteress murder!

 

>>Scrip:

If you don’t repent, your beauty will be made a stinky-abomination () and you also will “be as dung on the face of the field in …Jezreel…Jezebel.” (2Ki_9:37 WEB)

 

Early Church Opposed Makeup

 

-- Under Construction --

 

If the historical position was conservative and hardcore and now we have a more relaxed, lenient, and permissive attitude and practice, we all know it is because of moral crimes of rebellious apostasy.

 

Saved from Makeup

 

Makeup = vanity of Selfish Beauty Crimes and sexually immoral seduction form pagan fornicating practices

 

The Point: Makeup is sexual sin and is directly opposite from everything the Bible commands saved women to do.

·         Makeup is the exact opposite of everything modest and saving that the Bible commands for women to do

·         Makeup is part of the hateful sins of prostitution and adultery in the Bible, and is a path that earns and heads straight/directly for hell!

 

Jesus came to save us from sin (Mat_1:21) including the Bible-disobedience of face-prostituting Makeup!

 

Selfish Beauty Crimes (Reminders)

Stop Sinning Against Beauty

5/4/25; 5/9/25; 5/14/25; 5/18/25; 6/13/25-6/14/25; 6/19/25-6/22/25

 

When using beauty for yourself, Proud Public Prostitutions are at hand…

 

No Prostituting Beauty (Reminders)

The Purpose of Beauty is NOT for Fornication-Prostitution, i.e. showing off in public -- Slight Reminders

·         Remember Purity Commands: Remember and consider all of the commands against sexual sins, and all of the requirements for purity…

·         Headcoverings Hide Beauty: Modesty requirements (which flee prostitution in 1Co_6 – 10) result in a headcovering for women in 1Co_11 that HIDE Personal Beauty, Therefore…

·         Modesty Avoids Sin: it is clearly demonstrated and proven that avoiding the use of the body for prostitution includes hiding its beauty from being visually prostituted, and it’s even specifically mentioned this way in the Corinthian epistles.

·         Repentance: Showing off Beauty is one of the first sins against beauty we need to severely cut off and fully terminate in order to Stop Sinning Against Beauty.

 

Immodesty = Prostitution / Harlotry / Fornication & Adultery

What Boundaries for Beauty?

 

What Are the Boundaries Against Prostituting Beauty?

 

Beware of visual sexual crimes!

 

Avoid Prostitution!: 1Co_6:18, etc. (Flee); 1Co_7:2 [διὰ δὲ τὰς πορνείας] (& 1Co_10)

 

Does avoiding prostitution only include…

·         physical contact, or…

·         just what is shown under the neck, or…

·         all Beauty -- whatever can be practically be shown and/or hidden?

 

See: Pro_6:25; Mat_5:27-30

>>Scrip: ES

·         Mat_5:28 – looking at beauty toward admiration [ἐπιθυμῆσαι] outside of marriage is adultery & prostitution (Mat_15:19/Mar_7:21)

 

Visual Heart Crimes of Prostitution

Consider all of the verses against fornication... -- Because that's what showing off your beauty in public is! (visually…)

 

The fact that beauty can be visual heart-adultery and heart-prostitution (Mat_5:27-30 (2Pe_2:14); Mat_15:19/Mar_7:21 (Pro_4:23); Pro_6:25; Pro_27:20; Isa_3:16; Job_31:1) shows that the prohibition against ‘using the body for prostitution’ (1Co_6:13) includes how it is shown off visually in public -- and it’s only allowed, for marriage in the house!

 

Not For Prostitution

1Co_6:13 CAB  Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both this stomach and these foods. Now the body is not for fornication [τὸ δὲ σῶμα οὐ τῇ πορνείᾳ], but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

1Co_6:13  τὰ βρώματα τῇ κοιλίᾳ καὶ ἡ κοιλία τοῖς βρώμασιν· ὁ δὲ Θεὸς καὶ ταύτην καὶ ταῦτα καταργήσει. τὸ δὲ σῶμα οὐ τῇ πορνείᾳ, ἀλλὰ τῷ Κυρίῳ, καὶ ὁ Κύριος τῷ σώματι·

√ GNT-V

>>quoted above /\/\

 

>>Scrip: ES

Mat_15:19/Mar_7:21 – Out of the heart come fornications

Mat_15:19 NKJV

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

Mat_15:19 SBL

ἐκ γὰρ τῆς καρδίας ἐξέρχονται διαλογισμοὶ πονηροί, φόνοι, μοιχεῖαι, πορνεῖαι, κλοπαί, ψευδομαρτυρίαι, βλασφημίαι·

Mar_7:21 NKJV

For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mar_7:21 SBL

ἔσωθεν γὰρ ἐκ τῆς καρδίας τῶν ἀνθρώπων οἱ διαλογισμοὶ οἱ κακοὶ ἐκπορεύονται, πορνεῖαι, κλοπαί, φόνοι,

 

So…

·         (A) The body is not for Prostitution (1Co_6:13), and

·         (B) Prostitution comes from the heart (Mat_15:19/Mar_7:21), and

·         (C) sexual crimes of the heart come through looking with the eyes (Mat_5:27-30 (2Pe_2:14); …Pro_6:25; Pro_27:20; Isa_3:16; Job_31:1)

 

Therefore: visual heart prostitution of the Body is sexual sin-crime against God, and not what the body was made for.

 

Lord = Avenger

1Th_4:6 – Lord = avenger of all such… (who cross sister-purity-boundaries: 1Ti_5:1-2)

 

1Th_4:6 CAB  that no one should transgress against and to defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger concerning all, just as we told you before and solemnly testified.

1Th_4:6  τὸ μὴ ὑπερβαίνειν καὶ πλεονεκτεῖν ἐν τῷ πράγματι τὸν ἀδελφὸν αὐτοῦ, διότι ἔκδικος Κύριος περὶ πάντων τούτων, καθὼς καὶ προείπαμεν ὑμῖν καὶ διεμαρτυράμεθα.

1Th_4:6  το μη υπερβαινειν και πλεονεκτειν εν τω πραγματι τον αδελφον αυτου διοτι εκδικος TSBο κυριος περι παντων τουτων καθως και Bπροειπομεν TSAπροειπαμεν υμιν και διεμαρτυραμεθα

1Th_4:7 For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in sanctification [ἁγιασμῷ N-DSM – holiness; Strong on G47: (the quality)].

1Th_4:7  οὐ γὰρ ἐκάλεσεν ἡμᾶς ὁ Θεὸς ἐπὶ ἀκαθαρσίᾳ, ἀλλ᾿ ἐν ἁγιασμῷ.

√ GNT-V

 

Sister-Purity-Boundary

1Ti_5:1 CAB  Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers,

1Ti_5:1  Πρεσβυτέρῳ μὴ ἐπιπλήξῃς, ἀλλὰ παρακάλει ὡς πατέρα, νεωτέρους ὡς ἀδελφούς,

1Ti_5:1  πρεσβυτερω μη επιπληξης αλλα παρακαλει ως πατερα νεωτερους ως αδελφους

1Ti_5:2 older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, with all purity [ἁγνείᾳ N-DSF – holiness; Strong on G38: (the state)].

1Ti_5:2  πρεσβυτέρας ὡς μητέρας, νεωτέρας ὡς ἀδελφὰς ἐν πάσῃ ἁγνείᾳ. ἁγνείᾳ

√ GNT-V

 

 

Prostitutions of Selfish Beauty

Other date(s) (seen above); 6/20/25

 

Eze_23: Israel Prostitutes Her Beauty!

 

Remember: Jezebel’s Makeup of Doom Is the preceding physical example of condemned makeup.

Many years later, God is still condemning her spirit among apostate immoral religious people…

 

Eze_23:40 WEB  Furthermore you have sent for men who come from far, to whom a messenger was sent, and behold, they came; for whom you did wash yourself, paint your eyes, and deck yourself with ornaments,

Eze_23:40 LB  and whereas they did thus to the men that came from afar, to whom they sent messengers, and as soon as they came, immediately you washed yourself, and painted your eyes and adorned yourself with ornaments,

Eze_23:40  καὶ ὅτι τοῖς ἀνδράσιν τοῖς ἐρχομένοις μακρόθεν, οἷς ἀγγέλους ἐξαπεστέλλοσαν πρὸς αὐτούς, καὶ ἅμα τῷ ἔρχεσθαι αὐτοὺς εὐθὺς ἐλούου καὶ ἐστιβίζου τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς σου καὶ ἐκόσμου κόσμῳ

Eze_23:41 WEB  and sit on a stately bed, with a table prepared before it, whereupon you did set my incense and my oil.

Eze_23:41 and sat on a prepared bed, and before it there was a table set out, and as for My incense and My oil, they rejoiced in them,

Eze_23:41  καὶ ἐκάθου ἐπὶ κλίνης ἐστρωμένης, καὶ τράπεζα κεκοσμημένη πρὸ προσώπου αὐτῆς. καὶ τὸ θυμίαμά μου καὶ τὸ ἔλαιόν μου εὐφραίνοντο ἐν αὐτοῖς.

Eze_23:42 WEB  The voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with men of the common sort were brought drunkards from the wilderness; and they put bracelets on the hands of them twain, and beautiful crowns on their heads.

Eze_23:42 and they raised a sound of music, and that with men coming from the wilderness out of a multitude of men, and they put bracelets on their hands, and a crown of glory on their heads.

Eze_23:42  καὶ φωνὴν ἁρμονίας ἀνεκρούοντο· καὶ πρὸς ἄνδρας ἐκ πλήθους ἀνθρώπων ἥκοντας ἐκ τῆς ἐρήμου καὶ ἐδίδοσαν ψέλια ἐπὶ τὰς χεῖρας αὐτῶν καὶ στέφανον καυχήσεως ἐπὶ τὰς κεφαλὰς αὐτῶν.

Eze_23:43 WEB  Then said I of her who was old in adulteries, Now will they play the prostitute with her, and she with them.

Eze_23:43 Therefore I said, ‘Do they not commit adultery with these? And has she also gone a-whoring after the manner of a harlot?’

Eze_23:43  καὶ εἶπα Οὐκ ἐν τούτοις μοιχεύουσιν; καὶ ἔργα πόρνης καὶ αὐτὴ ἐξεπόρνευσεν.

Eze_23:44 WEB  They went in to her, as they go in to a prostitute: so went they in to Oholah and to Oholibah, the lewd women.

Eze_23:44 And they went in to her, as men go in to a harlot; so they went in to Oholah and to Oholibah, to work [ποιῆσαι] iniquity [ἀνομίαν].

Eze_23:44  καὶ εἰσεπορεύοντο πρὸς αὐτήν, ὃν τρόπον εἰσπορεύονται πρὸς γυναῖκα πόρνην, οὕτως εἰσεπορεύοντο πρὸς Οολαν καὶ πρὸς Οολιβαν τοῦ ποιῆσαι ἀνομίαν.

Eze_23:45 WEB  Righteous men, they shall judge them with the judgment of adulteresses, and with the judgment of women who shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

Eze_23:45 And they are just men, and shall take vengeance on them with the judgment of an adulteress and the judgment of blood, for they are adulteresses, and blood is on their hands.

Eze_23:45  καὶ ἄνδρες δίκαιοι αὐτοὶ ἐκδικήσουσιν αὐτὰς ἐκδικήσει μοιχαλίδος καὶ ἐκδικήσει αἵματος, ὅτι μοιχαλίδες εἰσίν, καὶ αἷμα ἐν χερσὶν αὐτῶν.

 

Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28 – Selfish Angelic Beauty

 

Consider this analogy as a warning against women who use their beauty selfishly…

 

(A) Isaiah 14

·         Fallen from heaven to hell

·         Prideful self-exaltation

 

(B) Isaiah 47

·         Sit on the ground Harlot daughter of Babylon

·         Modesty removed

·         Wisdom & knowledge perverted you

·         Desolation coming

 

(C) Ezekiel 28

Eze_28:11-17, etc. – Judgement against selfish Beauty pride of the parabolic king of Tyree

Read Full Context!

The following are just a few key points…

 

(i) Swords Against Beauty

Eze_28:7 WEB  therefore, behold, I will bring strangers on you, the terrible of the nations; and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of your wisdom, and they shall defile your brightness.

Eze_28:7 LB  because of this, behold, I will bring on you strange plagues from the nations; and they shall draw their swords against you, and against the beauty of your knowledge,

Eze_28:7  ἀντὶ τούτου ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἐπάγω ἐπὶ σὲ ἀλλοτρίους λοιμοὺς ἀπὸ ἐθνῶν, καὶ ἐκκενώσουσιν τὰς μαχαίρας αὐτῶν ἐπὶ σὲ καὶ ἐπὶ τὸ κάλλος τῆς ἐπιστήμης σου καὶ στρώσουσιν τὸ κάλλος σου εἰς ἀπώλειαν

Eze_28:8 WEB  They shall bring you down to the pit; and you shall die the death of those who are slain, in the heart of the seas.

Eze_28:8 and they shall bring down your beauty to destruction. And they shall bring you down; and you shall die the death of the slain in the heart of the sea.

Eze_28:8  καὶ καταβιβάσουσίν σε, καὶ ἀποθανῇ θανάτῳ τραυματιῶν ἐν καρδίᾳ θαλάσσης.

 

(ii) Perfect in | Crown of Beauty, in Eden, Anointed Cherub, …Until Sinning!

Eze_28:12 WEB  Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and tell him, Thus says the Lord Yahweh: You seal up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

Eze_28:12 LB  “Son of man, take up a lamentation for the prince of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord God: ‘You were a seal of resemblance, and a crown of beauty [στέφανος κάλλους].

Eze_28:12  Υἱὲ ἀνθρώπου, λαβὲ θρῆνον ἐπὶ τὸν ἄρχοντα Τύρου καὶ εἰπὸν αὐτῷ Τάδε λέγει κύριος κύριος Σὺ ἀποσφράγισμα ὁμοιώσεως καὶ στέφανος κάλλους

Eze_28:13 WEB  You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz, emerald, chrysolite, onyx, jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and beryl. Gold work of tambourines and of pipes was in you. In the day that you were created they were prepared.

Eze_28:13 You were in the delight of the paradise of God; you were adorned with every precious stone—the sardius, topaz, emerald, carbuncle, sapphire, jasper, silver, gold, ligure, agate, amethyst, chrysolite, beryl and onyx; and you have filled your treasures and your stores in you with gold.

Eze_28:13  ἐν τῇ τρυφῇ τοῦ παραδείσου τοῦ θεοῦ ἐγενήθης· πᾶν λίθον χρηστὸν ἐνδέδεσαι, σάρδιον καὶ τοπάζιον καὶ σμάραγδον καὶ ἄνθρακα καὶ σάπφειρον καὶ ἴασπιν καὶ ἀργύριον καὶ χρυσίον καὶ λιγύριον καὶ ἀχάτην καὶ ἀμέθυστον καὶ χρυσόλιθον καὶ βηρύλλιον καὶ ὀνύχιον, καὶ χρυσίου ἐνέπλησας τοὺς θησαυρούς σου καὶ τὰς ἀποθήκας σου ἐν σοὶ ἀφ᾿ ἧς ἡμέρας ἐκτίσθης σύ.

Eze_28:14 WEB  You were the anointed cherub who covers: and I set you, so that you were on the holy mountain of God; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze_28:14 From the day that you were created you were with the cherub; I set you on the holy mount of God; you were in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze_28:14  μετὰ τοῦ χερουβ ἔθηκά σε ἐν ὄρει ἁγίῳ θεοῦ, ἐγενήθης ἐν μέσῳ λίθων πυρίνων.

Eze_28:15 WEB  You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you.

Eze_28:15 You were faultless in your days, from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you.

Eze_28:15  ἐγενήθης ἄμωμος σὺ ἐν ταῖς ἡμέραις σου ἀφ᾿ ἧς ἡμέρας σὺ ἐκτίσθης ἕως εὑρέθη τὰ ἀδικήματα ἐν σοί.

 

(iii) Heart Corrupted by Self-beauty

Eze_28:17 WEB  Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you have corrupted your wisdom by reason of your brightness: I have cast you to the ground; I have laid you before kings, that they may see you.

Eze_28:17 LB  Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; your knowledge has been corrupted by your beauty: because of the multitude of your sins I have cast you to the ground, I have caused you to be put to open shame before kings.

Eze_28:17  ὑψώθη ἡ καρδία σου ἐπὶ τῷ κάλλει σου, διεφθάρη ἡ ἐπιστήμη σου μετὰ τοῦ κάλλους σου· διὰ πλῆθος ἁμαρτιῶν σου ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν ἔρριψά σε, ἐναντίον βασιλέων ἔδωκά σε παραδειγματισθῆναι.

 

If you don't use your goodness to serve those you owe Love to, then you are in danger of bringing a curse on yourself.

 

Is the misuse of beauty only relevant in this limited spiritual-parabolic context, or does it truly and validly also generally apply to ALL women, like we are saying?

 

We need to understand Eze_28 in light of the preceding authoritative context of Eze_16

 

Eze_16: Israel Trusts in Her Beauty! -- As Human Prostitution

>>Scrip: beautiful among the nations

 

Selfishly Trusting in your beauty leads to prostitution…

 

Read Full Context!

The following are just a few key points…

 

(A) You Trusted In Your Beauty

Eze_16:15 WEB  But you did trust in your beauty, and played the prostitute because of your renown, and poured out your prostitution on everyone who passed by; his it was.

Eze_16:15 LB  ‘But you trusted in your beauty [ἐπεποίθεις ἐν τῷ κάλλει σου], and went a-whoring because of your fame, and poured out your fornication on every passer by.

Eze_16:15  καὶ ἐπεποίθεις ἐν τῷ κάλλει σου καὶ ἐπόρνευσας ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματί σου καὶ ἐξέχεας τὴν πορνείαν σου ἐπὶ πάντα πάροδον, ὃ οὐκ ἔσται.

(B) Beauty Abomination -- Open To Every Passer By

Eze_16:25 WEB  You have built your lofty place at the head of every way, and have made your beauty an abomination, and have opened your feet to everyone who passed by, and multiplied your prostitution.

Eze_16:25 LB  and on the head of every road you set up your fornications, and defiled [from G3075] your beauty [ἐλυμήνω τὸ κάλλος], and opened your feet to every passer by, and multiplied your fornication.

Eze_16:25  καὶ ἐπ᾿ ἀρχῆς πάσης ὁδοῦ ᾠκοδόμησας τὰ πορνεῖά σου καὶ ἐλυμήνω τὸ κάλλος σου καὶ διήγαγες τὰ σκέλη σου παντὶ παρόδῳ καὶ ἐπλήθυνας τὴν πορνείαν σου·

 

[GPT: The Greek word ἐλυμήνω is a verb form and comes from the root verb λυμαίνομαι (Strong’s G3075), which means:

to mistreat, abuse, injure, ruin, corrupt, or destroy.

Etymology:

From λύμα (lyma) = "filth" or "defilement"

Related to λύω (luō) = "to loose, destroy" (but more indirectly)

The middle/passive form λυμαίνομαι typically means to corrupt, defile, or damage]

(C) Nakedness Uncovered

Eze_16:35 WEB  Therefore, prostitute, hear the word of Yahweh:

Eze_16:35 Therefore, harlot, hear the word of the Lord:

Eze_16:35  διὰ τοῦτο, πόρνη, ἄκουε λόγον κυρίου

Eze_16:36 WEB  Thus says the Lord Yahweh, Because your filthiness was poured out, and your nakedness uncovered through your prostitution with your lovers; and because of all the idols of your abominations, and for the blood of your children, that you gave to them;

Eze_16:36 Thus says the Lord: “Because you have poured forth your money, therefore your shame shall be discovered in your harlotry with your lovers, and with regard to all the imaginations of your iniquities, and for the blood of your children which you have given to them.

Eze_16:36  Τάδε λέγει κύριος Ἀνθ᾿ ὧν ἐξέχεας τὸν χαλκόν σου, καὶ ἀποκαλυφθήσεται ἡ αἰσχύνη σου ἐν τῇ πορνείᾳ σου πρὸς τοὺς ἐραστάς σου καὶ εἰς πάντα τὰ ἐνθυμήματα τῶν ἀνομιῶν σου καὶ ἐν τοῖς αἵμασιν τῶν τέκνων σου, ὧν ἔδωκας αὐτοῖς.

Eze_16:37 WEB  therefore see, I will gather all your lovers, with whom you have taken pleasure, and all those who you have loved, with all those who you have hated; I will even gather them against you on every side, and will uncover your nakedness to them, that they may see all your nakedness.

Eze_16:37 Therefore, behold, I will gather all your lovers with whom you have consorted, and all whom you have loved, with all whom you hated; and I will gather them against you round about, and will expose your wickedness to them, and they shall see all your shame.

Eze_16:37  διὰ τοῦτο ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἐπὶ σὲ συνάγω πάντας τοὺς ἐραστάς σου, ἐν οἷς ἐπεμίγης ἐν αὐτοῖς, καὶ πάντας, οὓς ἠγάπησας, σὺν πᾶσιν, οἷς ἐμίσεις· καὶ συνάξω αὐτοὺς ἐπὶ σὲ κυκλόθεν καὶ ἀποκαλύψω τὰς κακίας σου πρὸς αὐτούς, καὶ ὄψονται πᾶσαν τὴν αἰσχύνην σου·

Eze_16:38 WEB  I will judge you, as women who break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will bring on you the blood of wrath and jealousy.

Eze_16:38 And I will be avenged on you with the vengeance of an adulteress, and I will bring upon you blood of fury and jealousy.

Eze_16:38  καὶ ἐκδικήσω σε ἐκδικήσει μοιχαλίδος καὶ ἐκχεούσης αἷμα καὶ θήσω σε ἐν αἵματι θυμοῦ καὶ ζήλου.

(D) Hateful Feminine Wickedness -- by Beauty Prostitution

Eze_16:44 WEB  Behold, everyone who uses proverbs shall use this proverb against you, saying, As is the mother, so is her daughter.

Eze_16:44 LB  “These are all the things they have spoken against you in a proverb, saying,

Eze_16:44  ταῦτά ἐστιν πάντα, ὅσα εἶπαν κατὰ σοῦ ἐν παραβολῇ λέγοντες Καθὼς ἡ μήτηρ, καὶ ἡ θυγάτηρ.

Eze_16:45 WEB  You are the daughter of your mother, who loathes her husband and her children; and you are the sister of your sisters, who loathed their husbands and their children: your mother was a Hittite, and your father an Amorite.

Eze_16:45 ‘Like mother, like daughter: you are she that has rejected her husband and her children; and the sisters of your sisters have rejected their husbands and their children. Your mother was a Hittite, and your father an Amorite.

Eze_16:45  θυγάτηρ τῆς μητρός σου σὺ εἶ ἡ ἀπωσαμένη τὸν ἄνδρα αὐτῆς καὶ τὰ τέκνα αὐτῆς καὶ ἀδελφὴ τῶν ἀδελφῶν σου τῶν ἀπωσαμένων τοὺς ἄνδρας αὐτῶν καὶ τὰ τέκνα αὐτῶν· ἡ μήτηρ ὑμῶν Χετταία, καὶ ὁ πατὴρ ὑμῶν Αμορραῖος.

 

(E) Pride: the Sin of Sodom

Eze_16:49 WEB  Behold, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: pride, fullness of bread, and prosperous ease was in her and in her daughters; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

Eze_16:49 LB  Moreover this was the sin of your sister Sodom—pride. She and her daughters lived in pleasure, in fullness of bread and in abundance; this belonged to her and her daughters, and they did not help the hand of the poor and needy [πτωχοῦ καὶ πένητος].

Eze_16:49  πλὴν τοῦτο τὸ ἀνόμημα Σοδομων τῆς ἀδελφῆς σου, ὑπερηφανία· ἐν πλησμονῇ ἄρτων καὶ ἐν εὐθηνίᾳ οἴνου ἐσπατάλων αὐτὴ καὶ αἱ θυγατέρες αὐτῆς· τοῦτο ὑπῆρχεν αὐτῇ καὶ ταῖς θυγατράσιν αὐτῆς, καὶ χεῖρα πτωχοῦ καὶ πένητος οὐκ ἀντελαμβάνοντο.

Eze_16:50 WEB  They were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

Eze_16:50 And they boasted, and worked iniquities [ἀνομήματα] before Me: so I cut them off as I saw fit.

Eze_16:50  καὶ ἐμεγαλαύχουν καὶ ἐποίησαν ἀνομήματα ἐνώπιόν μου, καὶ ἐξῆρα αὐτάς, καθὼς εἶδον.

 

>>Scrip:

Hos_2:13 NKJV: I will punish her for the feast days of the Baals when she adorned herself with her ring and jewelry...

 

The Devil & Women Struggle with Beauty Pride

Selfish Beauty is not just a problem for the devil in Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28, but it is already been established as a general feminine prostitution problem in the preceding context Ezekiel 16.

 

Not only is a woman’s beauty for husband, as previously established, it is not even for herself, as we now see from these examples, and women must flee self-pampering prostitution lusts lest she be a sinful end-times pervert like Jessabelle…

 

Auto-Lust of the Male Brain

The Automatic Lust of Men

2/17/25; 4/26/25; 5/3/25; 5/14/25; 5/18/25; 5/25/25

 

SEARCH

Men’s brains light up when seeing images of women

Women light up when seeing babies

 

Brain-Heart-Eye Purity Needed!

Men Are More Vulnerable to Involuntary Visual Lust than Women!

 

>>Scrip:

Gen_2: Not good for man to be alone

 

This “not good” state is the core nature of man alone.

Woman was specifically made to solve this “not good” state of man, and therefore all of these features in a woman are defined by man’s nature and makeup, NOT by woman’s naïve and potentially sheltered ignorance.

 

1Co_11:9 – Woman was made for man

Woman was crate

 

It is often assumed (against logic and contrary to the Bible) that men can sometimes appreciate the display of a woman’s beauty in public the same way as he can his sister or mother.

 

But it takes the “special training” of belonging to a woman’s immediate family in order to accomplish the drastic boundary of looking at a sister’s beauty without sexual sin.

 

But the Bible teaches the Auto-Lust of Men and the rules of this moral reality overrule any idealistic wishful thinking of fantasy and denial of Biblical Truth as if men could be able to engage the nakedness and prostitution of a woman without sin.

 

The automatic visual nature of men makes lust and the defilement of extra-family admiration happen when visual prostitution and adultery are not contradicted by morality, virtue, and mighty Truth.

 

 

 

>>Scrip:

Eyes full of adultery

 

 

Men process visual images in an automatic subconscious powerful immediate survival mode area and function of their brain.

 

Men were not designed to decide how they would process images, but they are designed to hunt and operate instinctively with immediate impulses toward fleeing danger or seizing on the prey.

 

Men are designed to hunt reproduction and therefore the hunt for beauty happens subconsciously, automatically, powerfully, and instinctively before a man's will gets to choose what he wants to think about that image.

 

The Bible agrees with this reality that we can both experience and scientifically observe...

 

Job_31:1 CAB  WEB  "I made a covenant with my eyes, how then should I look lustfully at a young woman?

Job_31:1 “I made a covenant with my eyes, and I will not think upon a virgin.

Job_31:1  διαθήκην ἐθέμην τοῖς ὀφθαλμοῖς μου καὶ οὐ συνήσω ἐπὶ παρθένον.

 

>>Scrip:

 

Son_6:12 – Without knowing it my heart set me

Son_6:12 NKJV

Before I was even aware, my soul had made me as the chariots of my noble people.

Son_6:12 MT

לֹ֣א יָדַ֔עְתִּי נַפְשִׁ֖י שָׂמַ֣תְנִי מַרְכְּב֥וֹת עַמִּֽי־נָדִֽיב׃

Son_6:12 LXX

οὐκ ἔγνων, ἡ ψυχή μου ἔθετό με ἅρμα Ἀμινναδάβ.

 

romance does stuff to you without you even knowing it

 

Mat_5:27-30 – Eyes CAN cause unintentional sin

This is why Jesus discusses cutting off body parts

 

>>Scrip:

 

Joseph ran

Pro_6:25 – don't be conquered by beauty ...or be snatched by her eyelids

2Ti_2:22 – flee also youthful lusts

Mat_5:27-30 – cut off auto-stumbling, if it is causing

·         This brain-honesty refutes the hateful perversion that says body parts can’t make you stumble, when in fact automatic members and brain functions can actually do that, and you need some serious spiritual righteousness to overcome that perilous functionality

·         A castrated man IS cutting off an automatic stumbling mechanism if he cannot otherwise escape form it

 

Proverbs charges men to take extra precaution to not be snatched by visual adultery, Paul tells us to run away from it, and Jesus says you might even have to gouge out your eye your best one if it is automatically making you to keep on sinning.

 

All of these versus and many more are reinforcing the basic reality that all men should know is true and scientists have studied to quantify scientifically: men's brains are drastically different and distinct and lust happens on a much deeper level that is subconscious automatic instinct to reflexive and powerful toward the hunt for reproduction and since men's brains work this way and the Bible agrees with it and we can observe it according to the kingdom of heaven, that is scientifically, toward truth, therefore we need to treat visual lust and modesty requirements for Purity very seriously since the Creator has given so much work into making man like this and the Bible has warmed us so much about how distorted sin has hijacked his creation and how it is so serious it ends in hell if we don't do what is right to protect the brain of men toward lust.

 

 

 

Head Covering

 

 

Isa_4:5 WEB  Yahweh will create over the whole habitation of Mount Zion, and over her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night; for over all the glory will be a canopy.

Isa_4:5 LB  And He shall come, and it shall be with regard to every place in Mount Zion, yea, all the region round about it shall a cloud overshadow by day, and there shall be as it were the smoke and light of fire burning by night; and upon all the glory shall be a defense.

Isa_4:5  καὶ ἥξει, καὶ ἔσται πᾶς τόπος τοῦ ὄρους Σιων καὶ πάντα τὰ περικύκλῳ αὐτῆς σκιάσει νεφέλη ἡμέρας καὶ ὡς καπνοῦ καὶ ὡς φωτὸς πυρὸς καιομένου νυκτός· πάσῃ τῇ δόξῃ σκεπασθήσεται·

 

Lies Against Headcoverings

TAGS: lies about head coverings

6/1/25; 6/9/25

 

-- Under Construction --

 

 

C:\Files\Videos--YouTube\Bible-Videos\PUR--VideoResources\All The Head Covering Debates (1 Cor 11) Women in Ministry part 10.mkv

 

C:\Files\Videos--YouTube\Bible-Videos\PUR--VideoResources\Rapid LIAR Against Headcoverings -- 21 Theses on Head Coverings for Women Blog and Mablog.mkv

 

Gen_24:7

1Sa_1:12-13 – Eli saw lips moving therefore it is assumed, by church, that she was uncovered

 

Veil not covering face?:

Rth_3:15

Psa_5:7

Isa_3:23

 

Sarah & Rachel didn’t veil?

Sarah because they saw how beautiful she was?

That can be done WITH a veil!

And this ignores the fact that Gen_20: MT can suggest that Sarah might have changed after this encounter, therefore the point is TO veil, not to omit it!

Gen_29:10-11 – assuming you can’t kiss someone with a veil, and that she was even old enough to required one!

Gen_38: it is implied she didn’t have one when wearing widow’s clothes & that father-in-law is not considered family enough to see her

 

 

1Ti_2:9 & 1Pe_3:3 – beside the point if they wore a headcoveirng?

Assumes you can’t do both a headcovering and a hairstyle -- but this is archeologically verified to be FALSE!

 

2Co_3:

Unveiled face:

For men and women?

Same Greek as 1Co_11:? -- NO!

 

Custom vs Principle

1Co_11: calls the headcoveirng, and or the disobedience of it, a custom ot practice -- this means you cannot use this term to dismiss what Paul is commanded

Bible teaches to keep both

But there is not insistence on keeping symbols of cultures which don’t communicate anything particularly moral

Therefore, you’ve got to obey headcoverings since it is a moral and inspired commanded practice

 

head coverings are only for married women?

6/8/25

this has already been addressed and corrected over a thousand 7 hundred years ago

C:\Files\Videos--YouTube\Bible-Videos\PUR--VideoResources\Culture -- only shows they are married -- Why Women Don’t Have To Cover Their Hair In Church - Pastor Sunday.mp4

 

 

 

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are there less restrictions with women seeing men? Consider: non-related women not comming to the cross vs. women going to prepare Jesus' body. - where they going to do this carefully to not change what they did at the cross?

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Lies about Muslem Women's face veil

7/14/13

 

"First, let's clear away some false problems. The specter of "Eurabia" is a no-show. Studies point to the decline of Muslim birthrates in ways that parallel other populations worldwide. Also, over the centuries Islamic jurists never agreed on the specifics of modest dress for women. Local cultures determined what women wore. The face covering is mostly a recent invention, and, in fact, a rarity, even if numbers seem to be growing. Some sources put the number of women wearing it in all of Europe at 2,000."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/november/16.58.html

7/14/13

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"France has by far the highest percentage of Muslims in Europe (8.3 percent, more than double the UK's figure), and its brand of extreme secularism (laןcitי) requires minorities to shed their cultural distinctives to conform to the majority. Perhaps it's no coincidence that in France the burqa ban, passed by Parliament on the eve of Bastille Day, was followed by threats to strip people of their citizenship for crimes like polygamy, female circumcision, and threatening a policeman, and the deportation of hundreds of Roma, or Gypsies. Issues of cultural and national identity are rolled up under the burqa heading."

 

Antichrist’s Anti Head Covering Links

12/26/14

Uncovering the Head Covering Debate – cToday

http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2013/september/uncovering-head-covering-debate.html?paging=off

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Wayne Grudem

http://www.monergism.com/Headcoverings%20by%20Wayne%20Grudem.html

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Headcoverings by Wayne Grudem

http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/Headcoverings%20by%20Wayne%20Grudem.html

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12/15/14

 

"Theologians such as Wayne Grudem say contemporary Christians no longer need to wear head coverings because veils, hats, and other types of hair coverings do not designate submission in our culture. But what does?"

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"We do this because what we do as Christians—particularly in the church worship setting—affects the rest of the body of Christ. As I write in my book Gospel Amnesia, we never want something secondary to the gospel to distract or divide the church."

 

http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2013/september/uncovering-head-covering-debate.html?paging=off

12/15/14

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"Headcoverings by Wayne Grudem"

http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/Headcoverings%20by%20Wayne%20Grudem.html

 

 

Long Hair for Men?

 

Samson, Samuel, & John the Baptist had long hair

Samson is the first one mentioned like this, and is therefore the authoritative preceding governing context

..

Even Paul had a temporary nazarit-like request on him, even while in Corinth

 

Woman’s Haircut

SEARCH

Everywhere in the Bible that talks about cuttoing off someone’s hair, including men and women

 

Isa_3:

Jer_7:29 – cut off your hair

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Prostitution!

 

Main Passages

Other dates; 10/12/18; 12/12/21

 

Num_5:___; Son_1:7; Son_5:7; 1Co_11:

>> CVB

 

Mat11:25 - hidden... revealed

> Es word search for any other examples!

 

A woman who desires unrelated men to notice the beauty of her face practices prostitution (Pro_6:24-26, etc., esp. v. Pro_6:25 & Pro_6:26).

When you practice “lite” prostitution, don’t be surprised when God completely overthrows all of your value in under shame (as seen as a punishment in the OT prophets).

 

Moral Prerequisites for Reading 1st Corinthians 11

3/22/24-3/23/24; 9/20/24; 10/25/24

Prerequisite Rules

 

 

·         Most people don’t have the right mindset when approaching 1st Corinthians 11 (the headcovering passage) and therefore don’t stand a chance at obeying it.

·         Remember that we’re not allowed to “interpret” the Bible, we are required to OBEY it!

·         The Bible says that many of its statements are “closed” and need “keys” of knowledge and spiritual revelation to “open”, so pretending that it is easy, clear, and intuitive is Bible disobedience which leads to hell.

·         (Pseudo conservatives are notorious for lying and misrepresenting themselves as having more simple knowledge than they actually do.)

·         Whatever we do to unlock the Bible’s mysteries has to be based on the perfect moral virtues taught through the monotheism of the Bible.

·         1st Corinthians 11 is not clear or intuitive to us (in modern harlotry cultures).

·         Just like the exception clause in the Divorce and Remarriage teaching, we are not allowed to pretend like the headcovering is intuitive, simple, easy, direct, and clear for us.

·         Some parts are absolutely clear (that hair is not the covering, for example) but the overall ideas and principles are somewhat cryptic, illusive, and very anti-modern culture!

·         Just like many cryptic parts of the Bible, we have to practice forensics: we have to be rigidly logical submissively obedient and reverse-engineer what question is actually being answered to discover what is actually being said within the answer.

·         As with many parts of the Bible, you find out what is actually being discussed in reverse-chronological order…

·         Paul is answering questions from the Corinthians, and you have to keep carefully reading the answer Paul gives in order to reconstruct what the original questions were. – that’s why it is in reverse-chronological order for us in our modern day, but it was perfectly appropriate for the original audience.

·         Pretending that we already know the original questions as if the letter was written to us (what, did the word of God come only to you?), so that we require it to be intuitive for our modern context, is Bible-disobedience and leads to hell.

·         If we find out what a difficult passage is saying, it should revolutionize our lives, leave us in our modern lazy sinning cultures and confirm and comfort where we already are…

·         As is always the case, the Bible is judged based on what it actually says not what you understand/misunderstand it to mean.

·         Your reading comprehension and lack thereof has nothing to do with logically and objectively determining what the actual Words of the Bible are saying.

·         That’s why we got to be extremely, militantly logical.

·         As is always the case, every single Word in the Bible is morally charged. You are not allowed to turn it into “a story without a moral” just because you are immoral.

·         As is always the case, the more you submit to the agreement and continuity of the Bible, the more you will be morally, logically and submissively obeying it.

·         You are not allowed to read the Bible fragmented and disagreeing with other Bible verses.

·         One of the biggest mistakes people make about 1st Corinthians 11 is assuming that this is the first time the Bible has taught about headcoverings.

 

Modesty requirements and clothing do not morally change, therefore it is important to stop pretending like modesty and morality are not the preceding context for the head covering teaching

 

10/25/24

the 1Co11 head covering commands are not telling anyone to ADD clothing during prayer, but is a commanding them to NOT CHANGE their head gear when they pray.

You're not allowed to reverse the historical and Biblical context to say the exact opposite of what the original context and situation was saying in Num_5:, History of Susana, and 1st Corinthians

>>Scrip: /\/\ -- mk History of Susana it’s own section!!

 

Prostitution = Headcovering Context

9/20/24…10/1/24

 

The specific context of prostitution is strongly discussed as the preceding authoritative governing context for the head covering, especially in 1Co_5 throug 1Co_7

 

These prostitution chapters are directly and explicitly and repeatedly linked to 1Co_10:, which is the imdediately preceding chapter to the 1Co_11 head covering

 

 

1Co_5:1 – Prostitution completely heard among the Corinthians

 

1Co_5:2 – unrepentant / not sad/mourning

1Co_5:4 – Community/corporate Context: Paul is anticipating a time when they might come together (synagogue-d)

1Co_5:6 – Obey-ALL: little leaven

1Co_5:9-11 – Avoid Prostitutes in the Church

·         Don’t mix with prostitutes in the church (although some may interact with the world)

·         1Co_5:10 – idolaters

·         By being merciful to sinners you will be allowing them to continue to sin against other people

1Co_5: –

1Co_5: –

1Co_5: –

1Co_5: –

Lawful

 

1Co_6:9 – males doing prostitution

1Co_6:12 – All things are lawful = 1Co_6:12; 1Co_10:23 – 1Co_6: linked 1Co_10:

1Co_6:13 – body not for prostitution

·         Lord for bod (1Co_6:13) ≈ Man through* woman
(* i.e. because ofon account of)

1Co_6:14 – resurrection is the direct contrast against such sin

1Co_6:15 – members of prostitute

1Co_6:16 – sticking to prostitute

1Co_6:17 – one spirit

1Co_6:18 – flee prostitution

1Co_6: –

1Co_6: –

 

 

 

1Co_7:2 – avoid prostitution with marriage

1Co_7: –

1Co_7: –

1Co_7: –

 

1Co_10:8 – neither let us do prostitution

 

Idol’s Temple = Headcovering Context

The Preceding & Following Context of the Headcovering is the Idol’s Temple

9/17/24-9/18/24

 

1Co_8:1 – things sacrificed to idols

1Co_8:4-7 – idol is nothing

1Co_8:10 – reclining in an idol’s place / image-temple [ειδωλειω]

·         Idol-sacrifice is directly associated with the temple or place where that idol is sacrificed

·         Every time hereafter, when Paul is talking about idol sacrifices, he is including the reference to where they are at when eaten in a pagan temple

·         1Ma_1:47; 1Ma_10:83

·         VGNT: “…we may compare such analogous forms as Ἰσιεῖον and Ἀνουβιεῖον, shrines dedicated to Isis and Anubis :  see e.g. P Tebt I. 5.70 f. (B.C. 118)”

·         VGNT: “The invitation in P Oxy I. 110 (ii/A.D.) δειπνῆσαι εἰς κλείνην τοῦ κυρίου Σαράπιδος ἐν τῷ Σαραπείῳ, “to sup at the table (couch) of the lord Serapis in the Serapeum” is also an excellent illustration of 1Co_8:10; 1Co_10:21; 1Co_10:27

·         1Co_8:10-12 – bad edification = destruction/hell

 

1Co_9:13 LSV  Have you not known that those working about the things of the temple eat of the temple, and those waiting at the altar are partakers with the altar? 

1Co_9:14 – Proclaimers live from good message

 

>> Continue

1Co_9:15

 

 

2 Corinthians_6:14-7:1

 

1Co_10 Prostitution & Idol’s Temple = Preceding Context to Headcovering

9/12/24; 10/1/24; 1/28/25

 

1Co_10:1 – No ignorance for OT example

·         No OSAS allowed

·         OSAS = ignorance

·         No dispensationalist

·         You got to

1Co_10:2 – Baptized into Moses

·          This was back when baptism saved you, not just a symbol like it is today

·         In the cloud? Probably referring to God’s spirit?

·          

1Co_10:3 – Spiritual Food

·         This was back when communion used to save you, not just a symbol like it is today

·         Which links back to the contrast with and against eating food explicitly sacrificed to idols

1Co_10:4 – Spiritual Drink

·         This was back when communion used to save you, not just a symbol like it is today

·         Don’t violate God’s parables or you won’t make it to the promise land

1Co_10:5 – Rejected in the Wilderness

·         “everyone is not saved here”

·         The majority of church people are NOT saved

·         Anti-easy believe-ism

·         In the wilderness = Numbers

1Co_10:6 – Don’t Imitate Lust

·         No dispensationalist

·         Greek: We should not become the noun of the verb they did

1Co_10:7 – don’t be idolaters

·          The people = unholy

·         Anti-Korah’s rebellion

·         A scholar says 1Co_11 has temple has temple prostitution

·         B pseudo scholar says it was destroy before 1Co_11was written

·         C scholar says it was destroyed but rebuilt

·         D Bible obeyers say it is written in the Bible so we need to believe it and not find an excuse to disregard what Paul said

·         Idolaters ~ lusters

·         Verse

1Co_10:8 – neither let us do prostitution

·         Verse … is idolatry + verse 8 is prostitution = idolatrous prostitution

1Co_10:9 – Snake Punished Temptation

·          

1Co_10:10

·          

1Co_10:11

·         No dispensationalist

·         No OSAS - don’t ignore the admonition

·         These were admonishing examples

1Co_10:12 – Watch to not fall

·         No OSAS

·         If you are not looking to not fall you are closing your eyes in blindness

·         OSAS = Bible disobedience

·         1Co_10:13 – Temptation assurance protection endurance

·         Greek carry under ~ endurance

1Co_10:14 – Flee Idolatry

·          He is still talking about idolatry when talking about lust and prostitution so you combine not separate

·         Verse … and verse 14 = idolatry

·         Flee prostitution (1Co_6:18) ≈ Flee Idolatry (1Co_10:14)

1Co_10:15 – wise judge what Paul says

·          The preceding context to judging is being mindful that is why church people cannot judge amongst themselves

1Co_10:16 – cup of blessing

·         It’s not just a symbol! It is being

1Co_10:17

1Co_10:18

1Co_10:19 – Idol is nothing

·         Shows that the preceding context to headcovering is still idolatry

·          

1Co_10:20 – Sharing in sacrifices to demons

·         Idolatry = demon worship

·         Disobedience = demon worship

1Co_10:21 – You can’t do demons and communion simultaneously

·          Your power is never strong enough to overrule morality

·         Inability to do simultaneous contradiction refers back to 1Co_6 which is prostitution that you can’t do simultaneously

1Co_10:22

1Co_10:23All things lawful

·         refers back to 1Co_6 which is prostitution.

·         All things are lawful = 1Co_6:12; 1Co_10:23 – 1Co_6: linked 1Co_10:

1Co_10:24

1Co_10:25

1Co_10:26 – Earth is Lord’s

·         This exemplifies the fallacies of negative inference, so don’t fragment and assume. Just because the land is the Lord that does not mean the sea is not.

1Co_10:27

1Co_10:28 – Food Sacrificed to Idols (TSB) or in Temple (A) – someone tells you

·          Alexandrian: temple-sacrifice; TSB: idol-sacrifice

1Co_10:29

1Co_10:30

1Co_10:31

1Co_10:32

 

Vocab for Headcovering

 

Noun Adjective Verb

 

·         Verse 4 down = preposition

·         Verse 5 without-down-hiddeness = adjective

·         Verse 6 not being-down-hiddened = passive present tense verb

 

Headcovering Defined

Downing a head v.4

Down + concealed hiddenness = cover all the way down/concealed, intensely

We would say cover up / holy / completely

Related to kaluma

 

Repeated Words

However

Through

‘Covering’

 

 

1Co_11 Summary

1Co_11 Summary | 1Co_11 Translation (RTA)

3/22/24-3/23/24; 3/25/24; 8/6/24…8/13/24…10/9/24-10/10/24

 

>> how each verse relates to salvation

 

v. 1

1Co_11:1 – Mimic / Imitate Paul as Anointed One

·         First Point: imitate Paul’s self-sacrifice to save others – hereafter Paul carries this into multiple additional applications besides that…. (you’re not allowed to pseudo-contextualize the Scriptures right out of the Bible, so that not applicable applies any more in your false, invalid world-view against the Bible)

·         Serving and looking out for how things affect others is the preceding context, and this imitation is then also applied to other people’s relationship with you through headcoverings

·         Traditions: Imitations in v.1 includes traditions in v.2 (the words also happen to sounds like they correlate in Greek)

·         Imitation might could have stoped with Paul’s example of how to eat and not eat food, but then Paul carries this selfless, other’s-focused theme forward into traditions and how one’s like headcoverings affect each other, especially as approaching the communion table

·         You’re not allowed to turn headcoverings into a “personal devotion” practice, when Paul has already situated it as an issue of shared communion –

·         “communion” comes before (1Co_10:) and right after the headcovering discussion (1Co_11:).

·         The pagan sacrifice included sexual evils, and now Paul is saying to affect each other with modesty and righteousness like he has done and taught us to do through these traditions

·         The bad “type” of apostates who died in sin (1Co_10:6, 1Co_10:11) is contrasted with the command to imitate Paul (1Co_11:1) = this is a salvation issue!

·         Men Teach Headcoverings: Paul is a man/male; women need to imitate him

·         ‘Imitate me..’ (1Co_11:1) ‘you’ve done good to remember me’ (1Co_11:2) = Paul, who is male, NOT female

·         Stop saying men can’t teach women about headcovering

·         Men’s Sake: Remember women are doing headcoverings because of men (as seen below)

·         Corporate Context: The command to become is plural

·         The verb become is a plural command which indicate a corporate communal context – this is the preceding authoritative context throughout the chapter

·         Imitators is plural – communal context

·         Imitate Paul = Doctrine of US (Php_3: !!!)
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·         Church people are uncomfortable with imitating someone – they try to find consolation/solace when Paul says “as I am of anointed one”, but then go on to never imitate righteous people like this

·         They don’t know of anyone true enough to imitate

·         Also, this shows you’re supposed to be looking at someone who is obeying these commands and doing like they do!

·         No one is obeying headcovering anymore, and much less does anyone want to feel obligated to imitate a righteous person doing this

·         “headcovering Lite” (Pseudo-headcovering) sentaments say, “just do whatever you feel convicted to do, but don’t let anyone tell you that a headcovering is required and you have to DO like they DO in order to be righteous” – and this is the exact opposite of what Paul is introducing here!

·         “headcovering Lite” = “headcovering Lie

·         Stop Bible rebellion and arguing against imitating those carrying on the legacy of headcovering that you have to obey to obtain righteous salvation!

·         Wolves are saying just do what you feel like doing, and, just do what is right in your own eyes – which is the apostate rebellion condemned by Moses and the Book of Judges

·         Paul is teaching us to repent of this nasty filthy rebellious perverse independence pride and imitate those with a better track record than yourself

·         Whenever the righteous have more Bible obedience than you, it’s time to run out of that wicked nasty apostasy and imitate Truth until supernaturally inspired righteousness is flowing through your life

·         Church people want to think they are sons of g-d, but they are not willing to lift a finger to be generated as imitators – this is Bible disobedient hypocrisy

·         It is NOT a sacred duty to protect people’s independence

·         Cult-Phobia = hypocrisy – You’re not afraid to drink your own cool-aid, but then suddenly your worried about righteous people when they have a safer track record than your own foolish and perverted self!

·         Moses = “Cult Leader”?: Based on current lazy sloppy tolerant definitions which assume non-inspiration, church people imply that Moses was a cult leader!

·         Cult = treating uninspired perverted filthy rebellious flesh as if Satan is inspired in you in the place of God – it is among the most evil things you can do

·         Cult = mindlessness; imitation = honesty/integrity

·         Cult = mindlessly and lawlessly following uninspired flesh as though it is inspired

·         Hypocrisy: Everyone is their own one-man cult today (in modern cultures) -- but no one’s worried about that!

·         Imitating royalty and dressing fashionable like the world doesn’t bother them, when they mindlessly repeat irrational propaganda so as to sin until no end with the world – they have no alerts of fear or troubled conscience

·         Technical Greek: Be being generated = middle or passive deponent

·         You are commanded to mimic and imitate Paul’s sentiments about headship and head coverings, not your own worldly cultural perspectives from your harlotry culture

·         BBC Php_3:17 – imitation

·         Mimicking – church ppl want to limit mimicking to Paul and anyone else who is not alive but Philippians clearly commands us to imitate everyone  to the same degree anyone who conforms to Paul everyone is command to conform.

·         You are not your own standard nor is your church or churchianity but Paul and all who live like that

·         Mimicking Paul ≈ mimicking the canonical assemblies

·         Mimicking Paul ≈ confirming to the canonical assemblies 1Co_11:16

·         You have to imitate Paul just like you gotta imitate the call out assemblies and cover your head

·         You gotta imitate his values, insight, standards, beliefs not church/immodesty/harlotry

 

 

v. 2 -- Traditions

1Co_11:2 – Keep Traditions

·         Traditions: Imitations in v.1 includes traditions in v.2­

·         “All” could seem to contradict the preceding authoritative governing context and the following statements

·         “All” is a filtered statement because of the parallel (in 1Co_11:2) and does NOT include “this” issue of “coming together” (1Co_11:17) in disunity (1Co_11:18-19) for communion in the Lord’s Supper (1Co_11:20, etc.)

·         We can clearly see that “And” is being used as a paralleling explanatory statement, if we are paying close attention to Biblical language and communication rules.

·         Plural/community: you all, brothers (TSB), have remembered, you all, are holding down (these are all plural)

·         The traditions were a communal practice including headcoverings in the next verses

·         Applause/praised for intensely holding down traditions

·         Handing over next to-s/Traditions/deliverances/Transmissions

·         2Thes 2 keeping traditions saves us from end times anti-Christ apostasy

·         2Ti_2:2, weather word or epistle, etc. …obey/keep them (i.e. traditions)

·         This is particularly anti-solo-Scriptura / Scripture alone

·         As soon as he says “traditions” he has imported / included everything the apostles gave, including writing as well as examples

·         Bible-obedience demands at least attempting to re-discover the non-initially-written traditions of the apostles

·         Bible obedience demands that we answer how the early church sough to OBEY these vary passages

·         We cannot obey the Bible and simply ignore and pretend like we don’t have early church testimony of what these transmission were, esp. when these traditions are made so explicitly in the case of Tertullian

·         Keeping traditions = OBEYING them, and entering into their multi-generation transmission

·         Pretending sola scriptura = literal disobedience of the Traditions teachings throughout the Bible, including the headcovering teaching in 1Co_11:

·         Ignoring their example = Bible disobedience = Hell

·         No Assuming Protestantism, i.e. “anti-Bible obedience” – it is not allowed

·         Tertullian tells us about the Canonical example of the Corinthian obedience, and we are not allowed to ignore or simply dismiss this testimony since this very chapter is telling us that this practice is to be transmitted in this very way!

·         You are not allowed to ignore the testimony of exactly what this passage is teaching, describing, commanding

·         You DON’T have to believe Tertullian, but you DO have to believe the Canonical example of any Corinthian Obedience, if indeed we can know what that is through his testimony.

·         Remember: Bible Obedience is better than disobedient Protestant Scripture Alone – Disobediently making Scripture to be alone does not honor it when it tells you not to do that

·         You are NOT being more conservative or zealous for the Bible when you DISOBEY the Bible in the name of Scripture alone!

·         Plural: you, have remembered, you all, are holding down

·         Down according = scope specification (unlike / in contrast too other scandals)

·         Corithians have lots of problems but at least they kept the traditions

·         Imitators & Remember-ing-s = slight play on words

·         When he says they are ‘holding down the traditions intensely’, that Is a way to describe their diligence, Perseverance, Intensity, Fervency, faithfulness to fully keep and obey everything Paul ordained for them in these traditions.

·         I.e. they are being faithful to maintain the traditions

·         You are not allowed at communion without  a headcovering, so you are to keep the traditions

 

Faithfulness of holding down traditions

oh, how I wish that something even slightly similar to the faithfulness of the Corinthians could be said about the church today!

Although there were many issues of immorality and apostasy among the Corinthians yet there was at least a core somewhere of faithful obeyers that were doing what Paul had said.

Church people have altogether forgotten Paul and do not remember him in just about anything, much less do they even attempt to remember him in everything, and they’re not holding down intensely, faithfully, with any serious endurance, just about any serious and controversial moral command that Paul gave to us.

 

 

v. 3 -- Headship

 

1Co_11:3 – Headship: (1) God, (2) Anointed One, (3) Man, (4) Woman

·         2 “however-s” / lite contrasts: However you’ve done good to remember…(v.2) however you still need this (v. 3)

·         Not understanding headship = not having seen

·         Church people who say that “only a woman’s husband is her head” have not seen and understood headship

·         We should seek to repent of blindness and to the healed of it, not to complacently continue in it and boast in it like most church people

·         Head of EVERY man (you are not allowed to exchange “man” for “husband”, which is NOT every man)

·         “Husband” is a dishonest mis-representation added/exchanged in some Bible perversions

·         Headship and Headcovering rules do not just apply if a woman is married, because it is based on EVERY man, not just a husband, and he also includes EVERY woman

·         “Every” applies to man and woman, because it is a precedence

·         The words “every” and “is being” are precedence words for the word “woman” which follows.

·         You can’t logically take one precedent word and inconsistently drop the other

·         Man and woman are generic, therefore the precedence apply

·         The verb “is being” has to be carried over from “every man” to the woman

·         Man and woman are generic, Anointed One and God are specific

·         If only married woman had a head, then virgins would be decapitated

·         Inconsistently mis-representing man as husband has caused many foolish false ideas in English versions (also including passages like 1Ti_5:, etc.), and we have to put a stop to this reckless non-sense and foolish mess…

·         If the Bible says “every” man and you try to change it to “husband” then you are in danger of hell for disobeying what He is directly clearly saying

·         This is the principle of “precedent” – when he establishes the idea of a word, it keeps that idea and your not allowed to change it to something contradictory like “some” women or “some” men

·         Every man is the precedent and authoritative governing context you have to obey to inherit heaven, and when the exact same word appears again you are to obediently consider it as a submissive part of “every man”

·         Paul wants you to know headship, choosing ignorance is Bible disobedience

·         “Every man” is preceding the man-headship, and it is following it in the very next verse!

·         If anyone even thinks to suggest headship is limited to husbands over their wives, then REPENT!

·         This defacto arrangement: therefore if you are man and woman you can’t change that

·         It is every woman because it carries over

·         “every woman” is specified 1Co_11:5 which agrees with this submissive reading of 1Co_11:3

·         Plural: you all

·         People question if this applies to every man and every woman but the following verses clearly teaches applications for every man and every woman

·         Every is repeated in verse 2 and 3

·         Denying universal headship = Bible disobedience

·         Saying the headcovering rules do not apply to everyone = Bible disobedience

·         Saying it only applies to their culture = Bible disobedience

·         Finding a way to say it doesn’t apply to everyone = Bible disobedience

·         The same word “every” applies to headship and headcovering, you are not allowed to say that headcovering is a cultural application of headship

·         The general application is mankind and womankind the particular application is a woman and the man she is relating to / interacting with

·         It is evident that they were doing the tradition of head covering to some degree but needed to understand the rules, principles, and the implications more thoroughly

·         I.e. I wish that you had seen that the head of every man is being the Anointed One

·         When was Anointed One established as the head of every man? Does the coming of Anointed One establish new rules for men’s head or is it rather the same as David displayed, which was before the encarnation

·         At first I could wonder if this a new dispensation for man but the rest of the evidence implied that it is original/ancient/from the beginning

·         Anointed headship over man is a reveal from the foundation of the world?

·         Mystery is old revelation is new?

·         Could this be like Moses hoping in the riches of Anointed One?

·         Even in the passage the reality exist but Paul wishes they had already seen it

·         However = a slight contrast with the good things they were doing

·         Remembered in all (verse 2) = the head of all men (verse 3)

·         This is a hierarchy with the flesh despises and it is very anti-feminist

·         I.e. I wish you had already  realized

·         Headship is the foundation basis for the headcovering that is about to follow

·         In order to change the standard/rules about headcovering you would have to chop off your head in order for it to not apply to you

·         Your head is not cultural, therefore headcoverings have not expired.

·         Pic Needed: You might have to draw a picture of headship to understand what he is saying

·         Headship is fundamental not cultural

 

Rebellion Against Headship

The Corinthians had not already seen what Paul was telling them, and afterward they completely conformed to his instruction. In great contrast to this, church people today refused to conform to Paul’s teaching in first Corinthians 11, even to this day 2,000 years after he wrote it so explicitly and clearly.

the Corinthians so zealously obeyed and responded to his commands after Paul gave them this knowledge, but church people today are in absolutely stubborn rebellion and refusal to acknowledge and submit themselves to these vital proclamations and teachings.

 

They did not see, therefore Paul informed them. We do not see and today church people are refusing to receive Paul’s information.

 

v. 4 – Man Head Shame

 

 

1Co_11:4 – Man covering down head = shaming down (if added for prayer/prophesying)

·         Negative Inference Fallacy: Assuming that because prayer & prophesying are targeted that it is NOT active in other contexts

·         Negative Inference Fallacy is disproven by the preceding authoritative context – of Daivd’s example, for example

·         “Shame” = moral consequences – you’re not allowed to think of this a cultural, etc.

·         Clothing shame is not attached to culture like styles are

·         Clothing shame goes straight back to the fall of man – so it applies to all people descended from them

·         You can’t just change people’s culture?

·         Clothing is not optional, it’s a requirement since Adam’s covenant

·         Missionaries are at the center of this foolish mindless perverse Trouble:
- some don’t tell polygamists that they have to stop their multiple wives to become “Christians”
- as a result there are numerous polygamists in Africa, Jamaica, and other countries who have the nerve to think they are Christians!
- Similarly, modern cultures are fooling themselves to think they can disobey a clear clothing command in the Bible and still think they are Christians
- some other countries and subcultures of people attempting the Bible’s headcoveirng are much more aware of how barbaric we foolish blind perverts are!

·         The word “every” universally overrules “everyone’s” culture!

·         Your harlotry culture is NOT worth preserving – it actually high time to repent and make restitution to the Creator and give Him back the honor and glory and holy purity He is worthy of from our very lives, including our bodies!

·         Cultural blasphemies = hell/disobedience/Bible-contradiction

·         Lit original order: down-covering head = down-shaming

·         Various pagan cultures added a covering down on their head when praying / sacrificing

·         Shame & clothing already have established rules for their relationships throughout the Bible

·         You’re not allowed to delete the Bible-obedient relationship between clothes and shame, as repeated all throughout the Bible

·         The shame of a man clothing his head and of a woman unclothing her head is specifically included in the preceding Biblical rules of clothing all throughout the Bible.

·         Your not allowed to disobey the preceding Biblical rules about shame and clothing, when the Bible specifically  includes men and women covering their heads

·         However you read 1st Corinthians 11, you cannot contradict the preceding Biblical rules, but you have to submit to and obey the Biblical preceding rules of shame and clothes which includes head coverings of men and women in order to inherit heaven – remember the SOM & letteral obedience!

·         This is not a “covering” when protecting the head and face from the elements, such as the desert sand, but when standing up to pray or prophesy (or sacrifice) among the people. – it has a strong social basis to it.

·         Did the man in this verse start off with his head covered, or uncovered? – This is the vital question

·         Are we talking about removing a headcovering for praying or prophesying (like American Cowboys) or are we talking about abstaining from adding a headcovering, which would avoid being like ancient cultures during Bible times?

·         Similarly, is this about a woman adding a covering for prayer, or not removing a covering for prayer? – hint: the first is unbiblical, and the second is Bible obedience.

·         We are not allowed to transculturate – you can’t read our culture into the Bible, we need to read the Bible’s context into our obedience today.

·         We're about to find out if he is removing or abstaining from adding a headcovering.

·         Notice it is still talking about every man, not just a husband

·         Notice that the preceding and especially the current content is social

·         The preceding verse 3 does not say “husband”, i.e. the man of her, like verse 4 is saying His head: the head of him

·         Verse 4 would not work for praying if verse 3 was talking about spouses

·         It is very perverted to suggest a woman needs to create a barrier between her beauty and her husband when praying or prophesying – barriers are to avoid prostitution, fornication, and adultery in the Bible, not to profane marriage with disobedient barriers between spouses.

·         Implying that verse 3 is talking about husband is creating a much bigger problem than they think they are solving.

·         Reality: a house is a covering for a woman’s head among her family, which protects her holiness from outsiders, and means her head is covered when she is in her house with her family against the society which she protects her holy purity from.

·         When you read the Bible there is a moral to the story, so don’t erase the moral of the story. So don’t say “husband” when it says “man” / “the man” to erase the moral of the story.

·         The pattern of the Bible is that you need to indicate husband before the word man can indicate husband

·         The definite article could i

·         Verse 4 everyone praying or prophesying in the context of headship

·         Technically you could wonder if the headcovering is hanging from the head or from the top of the head, but this reinforces the rules of combining and submitting to the preceding and following rules about everything in the Bible including headcovering

·         The parallel word doing shame down reinforcing that it is covering the entire head and not hanging from it.

·         You could understand this as having a head’s as downing

·         Communal: praying/prophesying indicates  that they are in a similar communal context

·         Man…Shame indicates other people are there and that something has gone wrong with gender rules

·         We know that this is not limited to praying and prophesying because the preceding authoritative governing context of David’s example where people were ashamed when he covered his face

·         It was not a shame to cover the glory of Moses’ face but it was a shame to cover the icon of David’s face

·         It is usually just women that have glory in their face that need to be covered and Moses was the exception to the rule

·         Man do have glory but the icon essence of the glory is representing something that can/t be represented

·         When Moses has God glory on his face he is not just carrying an image he is carrying the actual glory that his manly normal head icon is normally supposed to otherwise represent – Moses was being the exception to rule

·         It is not shameful to hide sensitive glory  which could otherwise be vulnerable to being profane

·         Prayer and prophesying are targeted but the principle is not limited to those activity

·         David = preceding headcovering rules that you are require in order to get heaven

·         “Every” is universal not cultural

·         The Shame in the preceding context that happened with David covering his head was social because the shame came on the people.

·         The preceding authoritative governing context of David and of the man mentioned in first Corinthians_11:4 does not limit the Discussion to prayer and prophecy therefore we are not allowed to add an interpretation to this verse or any of the other verses in a way that limits it when the Bible hasn’t limited it that way.

·         Most shame was wrong but there was a time David covered his face in shame in order to mourn.

·         Headcovering (HC) = preposition

·         In v5 it is an adjective

·         Passive verb x2

·         Most hair cutting is an inappropriate shame but there is a few cases where it is commanded in the Law of Moses – and the woman stays inside in isolated mourning

·         Interesting, doing shame on a man or woman’s head is usually inappropriate by default except when mourning and when something sad happens in the OT. This includes a woman’s parents perishing, David’s son dying and a woman caught in adultery. In which case you probably want to seek isolation

·         The repetition and parallel of the word down shows us how headcovering in verse 4 is related to headship in verse 3 ( seen in Greek not English)

·         Your not allowed to make verse 4 not related to verse3

·         Most church people belief in the principles of divide and conquer when raging warfare against the Bible

·         The word head is repeated showing that 1 action of head is simultaneously doing another action on head

·         There are two verbs having and doing shame down, both applied to head.

·         So what you choose to do to your head has unavoidable actions even if you did not intent it.

·         You are required to think why and how that action to your individual head is also affecting your authoritative head

 

 

v. 5 – Woman Head Shame

 

1Co_11:5 – No hiding-down = Shaming-down (woman’s head)

·         Woman without covering down head, does shames down head – if removed during praying or prophesying among men.

·         Is she adding a covering or abstaining from removing it?

·         We are not allowed to read our culture into the Bible, we need to read the Bible’s context into our obedience today.

·         Shaving = punishment for abusing an otherwise valuable body part/adornment.

·         Headship means what she does with her physical head directly correlates and acts upon her authoritative head.

·         Without a down hiding-ness is doing shame down the/her head

·         Communal: praying/prophesying indicates  that they are in a similar communal context

·         Hiddenness to the head reinforces that the head is the object of covering

·         Clothes + Woman…Shame indicates other people are there and that something has gone wrong with gender rules

·         While prayer and prophesy is included, specify and targeted it is not done so exclusively since a haircut links the phenomena to a principle that is also active outside of prayer and prophesying

·         The very verse that targets prayer and prophesying anchors its descriptions to principles out of prayer and prophesying

·         Communal: The most particular and greatest shame of a woman’s haircut is when other people see her

·         V.4 = having something down head

·         V.5 = without-down-hiding down the head

·         The head .. is explained that of her head

·         If there is any linger question from v.3 the word “every” is applied to woman

·         “Every” is universal not cultural

·         Psa_2: church people want to break the bonds on every

·         Shame : just as the preceding is social, now a woman’s uncovered head is social

·         Haircut is not limited to prayer and prophesying

·         Church people like to ceased  on the apparent non specificity to exploit it with all kinds of wild Bible disobediences, but you are commanded to obey these to get heaven

·         A vain woman is pre-occupied with her own shame in the mirror when looking at herself

·         A righteous woman is pre-occupied with doing value and contradicting shame in society

·         Notice the sacrifice of the Israelite women giving up their hand mirror in the wilderness, therefore consider that Paul is pre-occupied with accomplishing virtue and contradicting shame in a social context

·         Is Paul concerned about her looking at her haircut in a mirror in private? Or is he pointing out the social phenomena of shame when a woman’s hair is cut off in public

·         Cutting off is a punishment all throughout the Bible in history

·         Headship: You were supposed to have understood headship and then this point would have made sense to you. If this point does not make sense to you, and if you don’t already agree with this, it is evident that you are missing something about headship.

·         If you don’t perceive and agree that the shame of a man and the shame of a woman pertain to what they do and don’t have on their head, then you don’t understand headship, and you don’t understand this passage, and you have no excuse for giving your interpretation of it, and you have no excuse for being lazy, complacent, foolish, rich, luxurious, and independent and not begging someone to disciple and teach you the Truth about what this passage actually says and to establish you in why these Truths matter so much

·         Do you see that not having a head covering is comparable to having a woman’s hair chopped off or shaved? If not, you have not seen headship. You need Discipleship into vital Truth!

·         Technical Textual Variation Note: the textual variation of “herself” or “very own self” is apparently due to someone copying this text and not hearing the slight difference between “herself” and “her very own self”, which is only one letter in Greek

·         Verses 2-5 = every x4              

·         You are required to believe that the shame of lacking a headcovering in verse 5 is based on a violation of headship in verse 3

·         You are not allowed to say this is cultural because headship is not cultural                               

·         You are not allowed to hijack-*`0 a reference to shame and pretend it is cultural when Paul is describing it as moral

·         This is not culturally relative it is morally absolute

 

Correlation More Than Causation

1/28/25

When reading these verses in English you might at first think that there is (somehow) a purely causal relationship between a man covering his head and “shaming” his head, and a woman uncovering her head and “shaming” her head.

But when I finally read this in Greek, I finally understood this like nbever before after meany years of obsessively trying to unlock this passage.

 

“shaming” = shame coming down in Greek

 

The fact that coming down is repeated is a direct establishment of parallelism. These two events not only potentially have a an element of causation but they even more so have an element of correlation because they are in fact being described as actually happening at the same time – and the correlation is being emphasized more than “one causing the other”.

 

uncovering or covering heads and haircuts comma and this is partly true.

 

Correlation Dynamics of Headship to Headcovering

1/28/25

Parallel Dynamics

How is a haircut linked to an uncovered head?

This is a metaphysical application of a physical value

This is like “entanglement” – two different things that you might could think were not the same, or related, are actually correlated and entangled together somehow between physics and metaphysics.

The head covering disobedience and a haircut punishment are correlating with each other, and happening at the same time, and carrying the same moral essence, and there is some kind of parallelism going on that Paul is drawing out of a co-reality dual aspect of two things that can initially appear different, but are actually the same thing morally.

 

From a physical perspective we would consider these two elements to be significantly different, however from a superior perspective of moral reality, Paul is saying they are one and the same.

 

Remember:

When you’re thinking Truth, you feel reality. The more Truth you have and the more you think on it the more you’re going to experience and feel reality.

That’s precisely why you should be reading the Bible all the time and that’s exactly why you desperately need to get Biblical discipleship!

You need to bath and saturate yourself with Truth to win the war your up against if you want to inherit eternal life…!

 

If we can “feel” and/or “experience” why these two things are the same, then we can hopefully understand what Paul is saying, however if we do not resonate with the moral reality that these two things are the same, in the accurate sense and superior moral perspective that Paul is teaching us, then it is very likely we will have no idea about everything else he’s about to say.

 

How can we feel that these two are the same?

We have to feel the gross trauma of cutting off a woman’s hair is the same gross trauma of uncovering her beautiful hair in public.

We actually have to care about morality so much that when Paul speaks these things, our heart jumps with earnest warmth and agreement with his moral Truth, with it resonating down to the core of our being, which has been discipled and has been entrenched in moral reality which is focused on the invisible spiritual moral Kingdom of heaven and his Truth proclamation to our consciences and our souls.

 

If you can feel the painful shame of cutting off a woman’s hair, that is not a cultural a culturally relative event, but a universally recognizable pain point which Paul is appealing to try to pull your de-educated ignorant conscience into his moral knowledge that you need to have realized already.

 

If you are foolish and ignorant and blind and you don’t understand or resonate with what Paul is saying, then at this point you are being commanded to repent and acknowledge that just as a woman’s haircut is shameful so also this uncovered head event is shameful despite your hard heartedness gentile ignorance and the uninitiated foolishness of your flesh.

 

By saying that these two events are the same Paul has commanded you to change your foolish ignorance and submit to the reality be morally superior reality that disobeying a head covering really is 1 and the same as cutting off a woman’s hair – because the two really do correlate with each other, as one in the same thing, and one shame requires the other shameful punishment.

 

Uncovered Head = Doing Shame = Haircut

Notice that the shame equation has already been established here in verse 5.

You’re not allowed to change Paul’s mind when we get to verse 6.

One and the same ness is a strong and explicit equation, which is being quantified in the moral realm, because the word “shame” is being used / utalized

Shame is definitely pointing to the moral realm, especially when it involves clothing.

Without morality clothing doesn’t matter

 

“Haircut” Irony of Headcoverings & Other Scriptures

10/10/24-10/11/24; 10/26/24; 10/27/24

 

The ironic command in 1st Corinthians_11:6 has some precedence and parallels in other places in Scripture that Mike can help us understand what Paul is saying...

 

Statement + If

1 Corinthians 11 basically says...

lacking head covering is doing shame like a haircut

so if she's not going to have a head covering she's commanded to cut her own hair off, but if it's a shame, then let her be covered

 

So this can be simplified...

 

No head covering is shameful like haircut

So no head covering requires haircut

But if it's shameful let her be covered

 

The principal of telling factual information and then using a logical structure of "if then" has already been established in the preceding authoritative governing context...

 

1st Corinthians_6:2-4 - we're going to judge the world and angels... so if you can judge, then let the church judge believers and not secular society

 

From 1st Corinthians 6 we see that Paul has already established a pattern of giving a fact and then following it up with an if then statement - the if does not question the reality which has already been established but only follows up that reality with a logical argument.

 

This can be extra strange In first Corinthians 11 because then Paul is giving to opposite commands:

·         She is commanded to must cut her own hair off

·         However, if it is a shame then, she's commanded that she must cover her head

 

This double command flip flop is an ironic sarcasm that has already been established in the example of Jesus in the garden...

 

>>Scrip:

Mat_26:45Lay down and take your fill of sleep ...get up my betrayer is coming

Mat_26:45 CAB  Then He came to His disciples and said to them, "Sleep now, and rest. Behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners.

Mat_26:45  τότε ἔρχεται πρὸς τοὺς μαθητὰς αὐτοῦ καὶ λέγει αὐτοῖς· καθεύδετε τὸ λοιπὸν καὶ ἀναπαύεσθε. ἰδοὺ ἤγγικεν ἡ ὥρα καὶ ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου παραδίδοται εἰς χεῖρας ἁμαρτωλῶν.

Mat_26:45  τοτε ερχεται προς τους μαθητας TSBαυτου και λεγει αυτοις καθευδετε Aτο TSBτο λοιπον και αναπαυεσθε ιδου ηγγικεν η ωρα και ο υιος του ανθρωπου παραδιδοται εις χειρας αμαρτωλων

Mat_26:46 Rise up, let us be going. See, he who betrays Me is at hand."

Mat_26:46  ἐγείρεσθε ἄγωμεν· ἰδοὺ ἤγγικεν ὁ παραδιδούς με.

√ GNT-V

 

Others Want to Represent it Without Sarchasm:

ESV: "Then he came to the disciples and said to them, 'Sleep and take your rest later on. See, the hour is at hand, and the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.'"

NASB1995: "Then He *came to the disciples and *said to them, 'Are you still sleeping and resting? Behold, the hour is at hand and the Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners.'"

 

 

And since we know that Paul and Jesus perfectly agree and say the same moral rules therefore it makes sense that Paul is talking about the same Truth Jesus is and giving us the same rules and practicing the same moral standards of communication.

 

Again, without sarcasm, Jesus says that if your hand is causing you to fall into sin then cut it off as a punishment. Jesus is not idealizing and wishing for you to cut your hand off but he's stating the grim reality of taking sin to its extreme since it is not a figurative imagination he describes but concrete moral quantitative reality that losing a hand is better than losing your whole body.

 

In first Corinthians 11 Paul is also talking about cutting something off as a punishment for sin, although he may be using a little bit more sarcasm and play on words and play on concepts, but nevertheless somewhat similar Paul says that if you're going to go without a head covering you need to punish yourself by cutting off your hair, but if we've already established that a haircut is shameful then you are required and commanded as a woman to obey what you owe and cover your head.

 

....

 

If-statements can definitely be used throughout the Bible to question the reality of something, and the potential consequences if such conditions actually exist in reality.

 

However, whenever the Bible precedes such statements with factual statements and assertions that these things in fact really do exist in reality then the if statements that follow are not questioning the reality that was just previously asserted (in the preceding authoritative governing context), since the Bible is, after all, not a document promoting disorder confusion and rebellion against authority, but rather the if statements are now communicating to you the logical consequences you have to face once you accept each statement as reality.

 

So, once you accept the fact that lacking a head covering is shameful for a woman like a short haircut, (and you're not allowed to create more shame in the Earth) then you have to submit to the required reality check that a woman is commanded to cover her head.

 

Indeed, there are sarcasms in the Bible, and the majority of them are in the Corinthian Epistles. the Corinthian Epistles outweigh the rest of the Bible in terms of their sheer number of sarcastic statements that the Bible makes.

you can consistently recognize the sarcastic statements in the Corinthian Epistles when Paul seems to put two statements right next to each other that say the opposite things.

 

[right after this passage, ]

 

 

 

v. 6 – Haircut vs Headcoveirng

 

1Co_11:6 – Shave/shear uncovered Head

·         How frequently is it shameful to have a woman’s hair cut off? Just when she is praying?

·         “Let her be covered” is a command!

·         The command is not given in the immediate occurrence of praying and prophesying, but in the continuing state of needing to keep long hair. <<<<<<<<<<<

·         Be publicly shaven as one who abused hair, or be covered.

·         V.6 makes it absolutely clear that the hair is not the covering – no illogical denial allowed!

·         In the Bible, you cut off what you sin with: Hand, foot, eye, (Mat_5:27-32; Mat_18:___ ; Luk_16:__) -- and many other examples throughout the Old Testament…

·         If you cut your hair and think you don’t need to cover, then you are doing so acknowledging that you are a punished & unrepentant prostitute who does not go to heaven in 1Co_6: & 1Co_10:

·         Even if you claim to not need to over, then you also need to admit to not going to heaven!

·         Notice it is social

·         Common sense: that doesn’t apply to marriage! When her head is covered by a house or inner room of privacy

·         He is commanding a cutting in response to not cutting, therefore hair can’t be hiding

·         Negative inference fallacy: assuming that since it is shame during praying and prophesying therefore assuming it is not a shame when not praying and prophesying, but this does not hold true when cutting her hair off, which is always a shame

·         Some might say that only applies to prayer, but hair does not only imply to prayer

·         Being down hidden is in the present tense and Paul is saying it applies to her right now without establishing she is prayer right now.

·         Shorn the woman does to herself; shaven is what someone carefully does to her.

·         Keywords: “Clothes” + “Woman…Shame” indicates other people are there and that something has gone wrong with gender rules

·         If she gets a haircut it will not be limited to prayer and prophesying

·         Notice the rules about clothing, modesty, and shame are universal and perpetual throughout the entire history of humankind. Pretending that they can change, be different, expire, pass away through old age, or not apply to “everyone”, is immoral Bible disobedience

·         Are any churches going through their congregations offering scissors to the women with uncovered heads and commanding them to Chop off their hair? – if not, then they are un Biblical Churches! They are apostate from the commands of the Apostles!

·         Remember, interpretations will not cover you on the Day of Judgment. Jesus said ‘the word which I have spoken to you will judge that man in that day’.

·         “let her be being down hidden” is the command to cover a woman’s head that most people ignore and are directly disobeying

·         Other places have un-down-hidden as a compound word. Verse 6 has it as 2 separate words where the negative is a definite negative that could imply she is choosing to definitely not be hidden. And that fits the context

·         Imperative: she must/is commanded to/she is required to/she is being ordered to be (1Co_11:6; 1Co_11:?)

·         Why 2 words for a headcut

·         Shorning herself implies she is doing the best she can to do it to her own head.

·         2 imperative = shorn self and be covered

·         Church people assume to haircut shame is cultural in verse 6 however Paul actually says nature teaches you that long hair is the glory not culture

·         Church peopl say but it is not a shame for me to have a haircut therefore I don’t need a headcovering, but that is ignoring what Paul wants you to learn from nature teaching you in verses 14-16 and pretending that you are not being pinished

 

Who requires an uncovered head to have a haircut?

With the Assyrian Code, for example, it is a social requirement to identify immoral women.

 

We have no evidence that immoral Corinthian culture was enforcing any kind of rule like this, even though many other cultures very well could have that dignity comma like the Assyrians despite all of their cruelty and evil.

 

Whatever the cultural context, it is observable that Paul is stacking layers of requirements on top of each other.

 

There is some kind of requirement to punish women to have their haircut for being immoral, and Paul is ironically saying that a woman has to punish herself for being immoral as a foundational requirement when she is sinning, however Paul stacks another requirement on top of this that’s based on the logical consequence that if it’s shameful, or we might say, if we have already established that it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off, then a new requirement emerges which logically requires a woman to cover her head as a command which is now being reinforced and elaborated on by Paul in first Corinthians 11

 

Theoretically a woman might could sin with her hair being shown and have it cut off and then after that also obey the requirement to cover her head since it has already been established it’s a shame to have a haircut, and or rather a woman could see the danger of needing to be punished with a haircut and then respond with preventive maintenance by covering her head. In both cases Paul’s words are relevant and both of these requirements stand firm that a disobedient woman should have her hair cut off and that anyone with their hair cut off should cover their head, and we can also take warning and not uncover one’s head so that we don’t have to go through this entire process and be bound by both of these requirements. It’s better to have moral foresight and go ahead and cover one’s head then it is to meet both of these requirements of cutting off 1’s hair and covering one’s head.

 

Thinking that a haircut is an alternative to a head covering or a replacement for it does not obey both of the statements being made in this verse. You do not get to replace a head covering with a haircut. You still have to put a head covering on the haircut after you’ve been punished in order to obey all of the Bible, which we all know is what you have to do to inherit heaven

 

 

Can a Haircut Replace a Headcovering?

Is a Haircut An Acceptable/Legitimate Alternative to Headcovering?

·         She owes a headcovering and she is being punished by having it cut off for not givin it therefore a haircut is not a commendable alternative

·         The word if does not doubt the reality of a shameful haircut but is a formal structure for a logical argument – this is clearly observable that that is the way the word if is being used in this case

·         Since you have to be obeying all the Bible you have to agree that cutting is punishment for the abuse and misuse of something

·         Not giving over what you owe is a sin as already established in the preceding governing authority of 1Co_7

·         You are not allowed to do shame under most circumstances, because love doesn’t do shame 1Co_13 and both lack of a headcovering and having a haircut has shame

·         When Paul says if it is a shame we know that he is not questioning it because he already said it is a shame in verse 5

·         This does not mean you have 2 positive options: haircut or head covering -- this means that not doing a head covering is is punishable by a mandated required haircut

·         Consider all of the times throughout the Bible where people are punished for using something wrongly by having it cut off

·         Consider all of the examples in the Bible where a harsh consequence is declared and then later on this sin is more directly prohibited

·         Deuteronomy 24 for example says that divorcing your wife can lead her to become defiled in remarriage, and then later in malachi and much more in the new testament God says so don’t divorce your wives or don’t deal treacherously!

·         We should not be lazy and try to fragment this verse as though a punishment was a proactive allowance for a haircut as an alternative to a head covering

·         They would have tabooed the very notion of having a haircut for a woman and therefore we need to receive this text in its original context and retain its original intention and force of purpose

·         The preceding authoritative governing context of the Bible says that you are punished by having something cut off with which you sinned, and it also teaches that a punishment should be enough to motivate you to good behavior without having to spell out every single rule that you’re supposed to obey, and it teaches this principle clearly by later explicitly prohibiting the activity that it had only previously prescribed a punishment for, but had not explained all the details of why it was so wrong, nor given such an explicit command, and then later giving the specific command not to do the inappropriate sinful behavior

·         The Biblical and historical context is that if a woman does not obey this threat of a haircut by covering her head, she would not be allowed to come take communion, as seen later on in the chapter and later on in church history

·         Since a woman is punished for using her hair inappropriately by having it cut off this does not mean that a haircut for a woman is a legitimate solution to not covering her head, because she still cannot be allowed to communion because she has been marked out as a harlot –

·         being separated out from the company of the righteous and marked out as a Sinner, who has continued in sin, whose on one’s way to hell, is not a positive alternative to a head covering

·         Often times Paul speaks in logical framework and proposes a truth and then describes its consequence

·         If we know that something is true then we know that something else is also true as a logically required consequence

·         If it is a shame for a woman to have her haircut then she is commanded to cover her head – if we know and or experience that

·         The fact that Paul says that a woman is “owing” to have something on her head does not mean that a haircut is a legitimate alternative to a head covering that is still encouraged and permissible and commendable, when she’s neglecting something that she owes

 

The church person is the troubling variable here because they’re going to sometimes say that Paul is just questioning if it’s a shame for a woman to have a haircut, but church person is not allowed to say that because already said it was a shame, and this is a structure of a logical argument not a questioning of factual reality

 

..

 

Some church person might say that it must not be a punishment because the woman is being required to cut her hair off of herself, but this is as absurd as saying that cutting off your hand and plucking off your eye is not a punishment for falling into sin.

 

In both of these cases you are required to cut off from your body what you sin with, whether it is an eye, a hand, a foot, or your hair, and hopefully we all agree that this punishment is not the ideal solution to sinning with parts of our bodies.

 

 

 

 

Hair Trimming for Women?

·         Frowning on a haircut is not specific enough to prohibit a hair clipping

·         If a woman clips the ends of her hair in order to take care of it and tend it, we don’t have an expression in Scripture that discourages this

·         The general principle is that long hair is a glory therefore it could be concluded that longer is better and something commendable to pursue, but this does not imply an absolute prohibition on clipping the ends of hair.

·         Both shorning and being shaved with a razor are close in proximity to the head, so much so that they are closer to the head than they are to the tips of the hair

·         Numerous denominations and movements at various times have prohibited any cutting of the hair in the extent that they won’t even allow hair clipping where there are split ins – the Bible is not specific enough about this to make this application out as a command

·         Since the Bible supports a man trimming his mustache, for example, therefore we could wonder if a woman could trim her split ends in order to tend her hair without any moral concerns

·         Interestingly, some of these groups that prohibit a woman from cutting her hair don’t require her to cover all of her hair, in a move of potentially troubling hypocrisy, and they might even allow a man to cut his beard or at least his mustache like Anabaptist circles do historically

·         Telling a woman not to trim the ends of her hair, and not to tend the quality of her hair, while not telling her to cover all of her hair and allowing men to cut off their mustache or completely cut off their beard is a striking surprising hypocrisy that testifies against them for insisting on rules that are not specific enough in the Bible while neglecting and disobeying ones that are

 

·         We are counting the word every

 

v. 7

 

1Co_11:7 – Man = Icon + Glory; Woman = Glory

·         Man = Icon + Glory of God; Woman = Glory of man

·         This creates an indebtedness to show the icon of God (and hide the glory of man).

·         Show head; Hide Body!

·         Gender creates indebtedness for how men and women should dress, including their body and head!

·         How frequently is man an icon before other people, and woman a glory? Just when they are praying and prophesying?

·         Beginning under substance = firm, tangible, hard reality

·         Turning rays of light into a statue, somewhere including a beard

·         Woman is a glory, not an icon!

·         Remember that this passage in Greek explains the passages in Genesis 1, 2, and 5, not the other way around.

·         You don’t take the passages in Genesis and interpret them to mean that ‘woman is also an icon’ when Paul is afterward explaining here that the icon of man applies to man particularly and distinctly in contradistinction to woman

·         It is Bible disobedience to read the Hebrew as explaining the Greek, when almost every case teaches us that the Greek explains the Hebrew.

·         If there seems to be more than one way to read Genesis, you don’t pick some random Bible disobedient interpretation that matches whatever you feel like, but instead you’re commanded to submit to Paul’s more specific specification clarification that tells you what you should have understood when you were reading Genesis

·         If there is any sense we are obligated to say that woman participates in the icon of God, Like in the case of Genesis 8, Then Bible obedience Requires us to understand that in the sense of her participation in being joined to the icon of man, And not independently as a female Through her own feminine nature

·         Beginning under substance = a substantially firm, solid, serious reality

·         The is specifically not allegorical

 

“Icon-Image” Greek: Gen_1; Gen_5 = 1Co_11

1/28/25

Woman is NOT an icon like man is, and it is for a very good reason that she’s not an icon, since man’s head was designed to be seen and woman was NOT designed to be seen, which is precisely and exactly why he’s telling a woman to cover her beautiful hair! You’re not allowed to keep rebelliously saying that a woman is an icon of God when Paul is specifically telling you that you’re not allowed to show off a woman and that your command her head!

 

I cannot count how many rebellious apostate sick and delusional church people keep on disobediently repeatedly saying that a woman was made in the image of God when Paul is specifically saying that she’s commanded to be covered, and she’s NOT meant to be looked at as an image like man was made in genesis one and two.

 

 

v. 8

 

1Co_11:8 – Woman through man – because of / on account of

·         Man is not of/through woman, but woman of/through man

·         Creation principles are the basis of the moral consequences described previously.

·         Creation and morality are not limited to praying and prophesying before others

·         Verse 8 reinforces the word “every” you can’t limit to virgins and married

·         Is that just during prayer that women are out of man

·         1Co_11:8 is talking about Adam and Eve and all their descendant

·         He is not talking about historical trivia (that they were created) but rather, a creation principle and how that moral reality that applies to us today

·         It does not say her husband

·         Clearly, no feminism is allowed here

·         The word “because” is explaining what he just said about the principles of a man being an icon

·         Literally speaking, man is a glory and icon of God , “But”, in strong contrast, Woman is a glory of man because she was taken out of man, and not out of his “head” or “icon”, but out of his side rib – And this agrees with the fact that ‘the glory of young men are their strength’.

·         You are supposed to hide the glory of the body with clothing, And this is a supporting argument That reinforces his previous statements That a woman should wear a head covering, since he is her head and Because she is a glory of his body, and this is in the same sense his ribs and chest need a shirt

 

v. 9

 

1Co_11:9 – Woman created through man

·         Was man praying when he was created, or when he was put to sleep and God took out a rib?

·         Was woman praying when she was created?

 

v. 10

 

1Co_11:10 – Woman authority on head through messengers

·         After starting with prioritizing relationships with others, Paul expounds greatly on the Horizontal dynamics of obeyers within the assembly – Paul makes it a debt owed to others, which is just like the only continuing good debt to love others

·         He just mentioned a non-praying/ non-prophesying context and then reinforces a woman to obligation to have authority upon the head

·         It does not say through prayer but through creation a woman is obligated to have authority upon the head

·         [Greek: Authority vs. Shaven – slight phonetic correlation (“play on words”) in Greek (contradistinguishing)]

·         Authority is being parallel with down hiding headcovering

·         Through creation principles and through the messenger angels a woman must cover her head with authority

·         You need to be under authority to have authority

·         Woman are “owing” authority upon head – not from a sin debt (Gen_3: and Mat_6:9-) but from “this” principle of pre-sin creation

·         You can owe a debt from sin (as with the lord’s prayer) but in this case she owes a debt from the goodness of creation

·         How is woman going through man going through the angels?

·         The word this is parallel to                                                                                                     

 

This makes perfect sense because women didn't start becoming beautiful after humanity fell into sin but women were created beautiful from the beginning for the purpose of being fruitful and multiplying – This creates a moral debt to be faithful and exclusive to the desire of one’s husband alone, and not anyone else in society, including the righteous called out assembly

 

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/quote-1co-11-2-in-niv-esv-and-a3qhWpKBRcSfgbIXMRvisA

 

The lust of a woman’s attitude and immodesty can invite the same angelic sins of Gen_6: to repeat

 

 

 

v. 11

 

1Co_11:11 – Male and female interdependence in Lord

·         Metaphysical codependence

·         “in Lord” = not a creation principle

·         The creation and new creation principles are being compared and contrasted

·         In lord in direct spiritual contracst to the hard physical substance to verse 7

·         Verse 11 is making a non physical reference                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        

 

v. 12

 

1Co_11:12 – Man + woman through each other -- from God

·         ‘all thing out of the God’ is comparable to “all men created equal”

 

v. 13

 

1Co_11:13 – Judge propriety in yourselves – praying uncovered to God

·         2 potential contexts: different than the Bible & Tertullian & church history or in perfect agreement with them?

·         Agreement is the most straightforward and default posture commended by the Bible

·         If you say it’s different, then the burden of proof lies upon you / you have to prove Tertullian was wrong when he said he wittesed this as being done among the assembly when taking the coomunion discussed before and after headcovering in 1st Corinthians 10 – 11

·         “praying” here reflects back to the very same communal context where she can also prophesy.

·         “yourselves” = plural

·         “In/among yourselves” includes the repeated communal context

·         This is NOT praying by one’s self – this is a constantly reinforced communal context where gender shame can happen socially, and is being guarded socially

·         This does NOT speak to a wife praying by herself, her family, and/or around her husband, because that is not “among yourselves” in community

·         “Proper” is a real Greek word being used

·         “Proper” has already been pre-defined as is constantly the case when monotheists use this type of term – vague and personally subjective “propriety” is illegal for socially righteous monotheists to ever tolerate.

·         A troublingly significant percent of modern English readers are likely going to understand 1st Corinthians_11:13 to be talking about the bear principle of a woman praying to God uncovered, as if Paul were charging them to examine the personal prayer life of the women in their congregation

·         Interestingly, even after I describe this problem in such a clear and explicit way, way too many English readers are going to say, “what’s wrong with understanding it that way?”

·         The preceding context had already established that we’re talking about a communal context, but besides that, this very verse tells you that Paul is NOT talking about the bare principle of a woman praying to God

·         “Judge in-among yourselves” is a call to the Corinthians to apply the principle that is at work “among” them when a woman is praying and affecting them corporately as they gather to be an Assembly

·         Judging “among” yourselves is a consideration that happens “among” you as a group.

·         Of course Many Bible versions do not have the word “among” yourselves, but that doesn’t matter because that is irrelevant.

·         Reminder Note: it doesn’t matter if your bible version doesn’t read that way – we are not here to idolize English versions, but to glorify the actual Word of God.

·         That is very important, and it’s even hard to quantify how important that is

·         Untold millions of Anabaptists and other head covering proponents are being disconnected from the vital moral social modesty context of the head covering and are losing the entire moral of the story by pseudo-spiritualizing the head covering and disqualifying themselves from the actual point of obtaining righteousness and purity and modesty

·         No, you are not “taking the Bible more literally” when you’re telling a woman to cover her head in a personal prayer closet!

·         Fragmenting the verse from its communal context and even fragmenting the verse from the preceding introductory words of “among yourselves” is not taking the Bible more literally!

·         Literal obedience has nothing to do with fragmenting the Bible from its preceding authoritative governing context!

·         Literal obedience means that you are obeying everything that it says and are gaining understanding by putting the statements together in your simultaneously obedient life

·         you cannot literally disobey preceding words and verses and still be seriously claiming to be literally obeying a fragmented verse -- that’s called hypocrisy and Bible disobedience.

·         Anabaptists and other head covering proponent groups need to stop following their traditions and start reverencing the opening up of the actual Words of the Scriptures when the Truth is finally spoken in their ears

 

 

 

v. 14

 

1Co_11:14 – Long hair = Dishonor to Man (Nature teaches)

·         Devaluing gender is at the heart of what Paul is describing with the headcovering

·         Communal context = You all

·         This is indirect contrast with a  woman’s hair cut which is also a gender preoccupied issue

·         The ability to learn from the nature of long hair is a prerequisite for “judging in yourselves if it is proper for a woman to pray to God without down-hiddeness”

·         If you have not learned from nature about headcoveirngs, then you are disqualified from “judging in yourselves”

·         You’re not allowed to authorize yourself when you have not learned

·         In first Corinthians_11:14 it is a foregone conclusion that you’re supposed to cover the glorious parts of the body with clothing.

·         The glory of man’s strength needs a shirt

·         The glory of woman’s face needs a face veil, as was the case was Rebecca to Isaac

·         By communicating that a woman’s long hair “is a glory to her”, Paul is giving a supporting argument for the previous verse that says ‘a woman is owing to have authority on her head’ based on creation principles in the verse before that

·         This is not to say that nature itself directly teaches you to automatically put on the head covering, but rather Paul is mentioning that nature teaches you directly that a woman’s hair is a glory to her beauty, and therefore when natures teaching you about a woman’s beauty, this empowers you with the necessary prerequisite consideration to be able to “judge in yourselves” that a woman is now owing to have authority of a head covering upon her head

·         When nature teaches you that a woman’s long hair is a glory to her beauty, now you are responsible to actually apply that consideration, which nature teaches you, and obey the Bible to judge in yourselves if it is proper for a woman to show off her beauty when being “among yourselves” and praying to God

 

v. 15

 

1Co_11:15 – Woman’s glorious hair up against covering

·         Glory shines which is directly opposite of hiding

·         Throwing around thing ≈ an article of clothe/clothing that has been put on

·         We talk about putting on clothing they talk throwing around clothing because our clothing is fitted while they throw big pieces of clothe on themselves. They also talk about sinking into clothing

·         You not allowed to be comfortable with contradiction

·         One mistranslated fragmented Bible verse to disobey the entire the whole Bible, that’s why you got to do headcovering and you can’t do divorce and remarriage

·         The thrown around thing in verse 15 is distinct because it is often use separate for clothing

 

v. 16

 

1Co_11:16 – No Arguing Against the Moral Ethics of God’s Called-Out Assembles

·         Plural: we-all

·         Together practice is communal!

·         This is NOT an individual practice!

·         Assemblies /churches = communal context

·         After starting with prioritizing relationships with others at the beginning of this passage, Paul expounds greatly on the Horizontal dynamics of obeyers within the assembly…

·         Paul concludes with the corporate example of the early original church assemblies as a finalizing argument against disobeying head coverings

·         That means we also need to look at the early church original assemblies as a very convincing finalizing argument that we should obey head coverings, because we need to obey this verse which points to the assemblies as a finalizing argument for why we shouldn’t disobey head covering

·         Often, church hypocrites say things like they (supposedly) ‘don’t want you to argue from anything but the Bible’ -- as though they even care about the Bible, and as though they are really listening to it, and as if they are shunning their culture and religious tradition to prefer the Bible, when they won’t even cover their heads!

·         but when you go to the Bible it is pointing to the early original church assemblies as the canonical standard that you have to conform to for obeying the head covering, and no one cares to obey this verse these days!

·         Liking conquering headcoverings (1Co_11:16) = Liking conquering Rebellious Apostate Religious church people who disobey and won’t listen to this day, just like the apostate Israelites! ()

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·         No matter how you try to represent this verse in English you cannot represent it as if it is representing clothing. That’s dishonest not to mention deceptive

·         We are in the same froup of people as the canonical group of people as the called out assseblies of the God which links us back to the beginning

Liking Conquering

>> Sync: BDC (multiple) | RiFi

Eze_3:7 WEB  But the house of Israel will not listen to you; for they will not listen to me: for all the house of Israel are of hard forehead and of a stiff heart.

Eze_3:7 LB  But the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you; for they will not listen to Me; for all the house of Israel are stubborn [φιλόνεικοί] and hard-hearted [σκληροκάρδιοι].

Eze_3:7  ὁ δὲ οἶκος τοῦ Ισραηλ οὐ μὴ θελήσωσιν εἰσακοῦσαί σου, διότι οὐ βούλονται εἰσακούειν μου· ὅτι πᾶς ὁ οἶκος Ισραηλ φιλόνεικοί εἰσιν καὶ σκληροκάρδιοι.

 

 

1Co_11:16 But if anyone seems to be contentious [φιλόνεικος], we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

1Co_11:16  Εἰ δέ τις δοκεῖ φιλόνεικος εἶναι, ἡμεῖς τοιαύτην συνήθειαν οὐκ ἔχομεν, οὐδὲ αἱ ἐκκλησίαι τοῦ Θεοῦ.

√ GNT-V

 

The Point: Both Liking Enmity and Liking Conquering are bad sinful fond-ness-es with fighting/arguing in the Greek Bible.

That means church people are warmly liking conquering worldly hard hearted stubborn.

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See: BDC for more examples of “liking” sins.

 

V 17 & 18

·         Come together = communal

·         Come together for communion = following communal context

·         You-all = plural

·         assembly

 

V 19

·         in-among you-all – repeated over and over again

 

20

Come together

 

1 Corinthians_11:12 all things are out of the God

10/2/24

This is somewhat comparable to the US Constitution saying 'all are created equal in the side of God'

 

Church People Can’t Judge Headcoverings

1Co_11:13 - Judge Yourselves

10/2/24; 10/27/24

Headcoverings CANNOT be Decided by Church People

ironically...

Church people CANNOT judge for themselves if head coverings are required

·         Church people can't even agree with themselves, much less the Bible.

·         They are not coming to the same conclusions that Paul and the Corinthians were coming to

·         Paul is somewhat asking a rhetorical question that presupposes you agree with him - if you don't agree, then you're not qualified to answer his rhetorical question

·         In modern church: judge in among yourselves is being switched into decide for yourself if head coverings are required

·         (remember the Corinthians themselves understood Paul to mean the modesty of head coverings as documented in them writings of Tertullian, and other church leaders)

·         Jewish historical example, early church and Corinthian obedience, and Paul's commands are all canonical and easily overrule churches apostasy today

·         1co10: I speak as unto wise men, judge for yourselves cup of the Lord

·         Act_5:32 he gives his Spirit to those who obey him

·         Paul didn't say for modern Church to decide what they want to do about head coverings, he said to the Corinthians to judge in among themselves, which is a privileged church people have not been granted in the teeth of their gross and startlingly disgusting apostasy...

·         Falls invitation for the Corinthians to participate in his truth and judge in among themselves to agree with his truth only applies to people walking in the same Spirit of truth that Paul and the apostles and the Corinthians obediently responded in, which obviously does not happen unless you're obeying every rule in the Bible including head coverings - as seen in Romans 2

·         Don't be a fleshly pervert and rebel against audience specification - the flesh always hates audience specification when the Bible monotheistically morally requires & demands it

·         In 1Co_10:15 Paul had already established that “mindful ones” should consider what He says, and now how much more is mindfulness still required (from the preceding authoritative context) when they are now called to judge what he says

 

Before 1st Corinthians 11 said for the Corinthians to judge in among themselves, 1 Corinthians 6 suggested that there should at least be some wise people among them despite the trouble of those who were 'babes in anointed one and still fleshly'

 

Besides 1st Corinthians 6 where Paul implies that there should at least be some wise among them, he goes on to reinforce this sentiment by repeating and paralleling and correlating many statements from 1st Corinthians 6 into 1st Corinthians 10. he had anticipated that there were at least some wise people among them in first Corinthians 6, and likewise he says in 1st Corinthians 10 that he's speaking to these wise people to judge in among themselves concerning 'the cup of the Lord'

 

Since we all know that Christianity doesn't have any wise people among them, therefore you're not allowed to pretend like Bible disobeyers are allowed to decide for themselves on head coverings since the only people that are allowed to judge are wise people according to the preceding authoritative governing context in 1st Corinthians 10 which happens shortly before Paul instructs the Corinthians to 'judge in among themselves' in 1st Corinthians 11

 

Church people are not obeying the Bible and therefore don't have God's spirit according to Act_5:32, and therefore they are not being spiritual in Romans 2 with God's law written on their heart, and they are not a canonical standard that can be referenced or relied upon in reference to judgment like spiritual people can be, and therefore they are not the spiritual people in Romans 2 or the spiritual and supernaturally wise people in 1st Corinthians 2 that are able to 'judge all things',  and therefore Paul does not speak to modern apostate churchianity and suppose that there are wise people among them like he did the Corinthians in 1st Corinthians 6, and therefore Paul does not authorize church people to judge since that is reserved for wise people in 1st Corinthians 2 and 1st Corinthians 10, and therefore when he gets to saying that the Corinthians should judge in among themselves the preceding authoritative governing context has already established this audience specified group of people as being obedient spiritual wise people which has nothing to do with churchianity today, and does not in any sense authorized church people today to judge anything about head coverings except to judge this that they should repent and believe the good message and come into a real Covenant with the real Jesus and start getting the real Resurrection righteousness that obeys all the Bible.

 

..

 

of course, church people would like to beg to differ and would like to keep on fantasizing that they do in fact have wise people among them, but we all know and we can all easily objectively see that there aren't any wise people among church people...

 

the fear of the monotheistic Lord is the beginning of wisdom and we can all see that church people don't fear God at all in any significant degree

 

they are not staying up late at night fighting and sweating it out to make sure that they don't send or seeking with all of their heart to understand head coverings, for example, or leaving adulterous remarriage

 

if I read Bible verses to them they don't tremble in their hearts to obey every single word but in there audacious bold fearless pride they don't care if they step over and spit on and disrespect the least favorite Bible verses and don't tremble at all against the damnation of their wicked soul for being so outrageously lawless and rule-breaking and perverted to disobey a Bible verse...

and the examples could go on virtually indefinitely of how many Bible verses they disobey and how prideful they remain and how confident and wickedly perverted irrationally lazy and happy they are to roll around and sin...

 

and again we know we all know that church people are not wise because it says the wisdom that from above is first pure and no one in church cares about purity seriously, otherwise they would have been jealous to cover their head and demand repentance from adulterous remarriage, Christian dating, etc.

 

 

 

1Co_11 Translation (RTA)

1Co_11 Summary | 1Co_11 Translation (RTA)

 

1st Corinthians 11 RTA (Righteous Translation Analysis)

1Co_11:1  be beginning to / be generated mimickers / imitators of me down according / just as I [am] also of anointed one

[* begotten]

1 Currently/presently be made to become/generated [or make yourselves become/generated] mimicors/imitators of me down-according-as I-also-am of anointed-one

1Co_11:2  however I am high praising upon / applauding you pl TSB Brothers in that you pl have done remembered me [in/to] everything, and you pl are holding down, down according as I gave next to / tradition-ed to you all, those givings next to-s / traditions / deliverances

2 however I currently/presently praise-with-stories-upon you(pl) |TSB brothers| in-that towards all/everything you(pl) have been made to have remaing-rememberance of me and-also down-according-as I at some point gave-next-to/surrendered to you(pl) the giving-next-tos/transmissions/traditions [παραδοσειςG3862 - i.e. take hold of what is put next to you like a batton and run with it; fig. transmissioned] to currently/presently hold-down/intensely-hold

[remember slightly correlates with mimic in Greek]

1Co_1:3  however I am desiring for you pl to have done seen / known by perception that: the head of every man is being* the anointed one, however a head of woman [*is] the man, however a head of the anointed one,  [*is] the God.

3 however I desire you(pl) to see/know-by-perception/behold in-that the head of all/every man currently/presently is the anointed-one however head of woman the man however head of |NA the| anointed-one the God

1Co_11:4  every man directing in wishing requests in prayer or fore speaking / prophesying having/holding [something coming] down (of) head, is doing shame / strengthless / shapelessness down (of) his head

4 all/every man constantly/habitually requesting-towards/praying or constantly/habitually fore-speaking/prophecying constantly/habitually having/holding something coming down from head he currently brings-unmightiness-down/uncomeliness-down/disfiguredness-down/shame-down [καταισχυνειG2617 – devaluaing by a shapeless thing devaluing by having an appearance that is uncomely, disfigured and unfit for the eyes to see] towards the head of his

1Co_11:5  however every woman directing in wishing requests in prayer or fore-speaking / prophesying, un down hidden / without something coming down to hide, Is doing shame down / strengthless / shapelessness down that of her TSB very own. head. because it is being one and the same/ness two the having done been sharp razor shaven.

5 however all/every woman constantly/habitually requesting-towards/praying or constantly/habitually fore-speaking/prophesying without-covering-down-and-hiding on the head she currently/presently brings-unmightiness-down/uncomeliness-down/disfiguredness-down/shame-down the head of ||NA hers|TSB herself|| because she currently/presently is one and-also the same with the one having been shaven-with-a-razor [ξυρασθαιG3587]

1Co_11:6  because if a woman will not be done something down to hide / be covered and/also let her / she must / is commanded to sheer herself. However if it's a shame / strengthless / shapelessness to a woman to the / that of sheering herself or being shaving with a sharp razor let her be down hidden / have something come down to cover/hide.

6 because if a woman definitely-not currently/presently be made covered-down-and-hidden and-also she must at this time shear [κειρασθω G2751 – i.e. to cut hair very short and close to the head with scissors like a sheep being sheared of its wool; Israeli archeology has found artifacts of sheep shearing sciccors dating to 1 BCE] herself however if this without-mightiness/without-comeliness/disfigured/shameful to a woman to at this time shear herself or to currently/presently be shaven-with-a-razor she must currently/presently be made covered-down-and-hidden

1Co_11:7  because, indeed/[a]men, a man is not owing/ought-ing to [have something] being done down the head, beginning under a substance / to firmly being an icon and glory of God. however the woman is being a glory of man.

7 because truly a man currently/presently indebted definitely-not to be made covered-down-and-hidden towards the head he constantly/habitually beginning-under an icon and-also glory of God however |NA the| woman currently/presently is glory of man

1Co_11:8  because a man is definitely-not being out of woman, but woman out of man

8 because definetly-not currently/presently is man out of woman but-rather woman out of man

1Co_11:9  because also [and] man was definitely not created through / because of - on account of woman, but woman through / because of an account of the man.

9 because and-also man defintly-not at some point created through [διαG1223 – fig. because of and account of] the woman but-rather woman through [διαG1223 – fig. because of and account of] the man

1Co_11:10  through / because of - on account of this the woman is owing/ought-ing to be having authority to bring out into being upon of the head through the messengers/angels.

10 through [διαG1223 – fig. because of and account of] this the woman currently/presently indebted to currently/presently have/hold bring-out-into-being/authority upon the head through [διαG1223 – fig. because of and account of] the messengers/angels

1Co_11:11  moreover/besides, definitely-not-additionally, [is] |TSB man spaced/separated from woman, definitely-not additionally [is]| woman spaced/separated from man |A definitely-not-additionally [is] man spaced/separated from woman| in lord.

11 furthermore/except not-also/neither |TSB man spaciously from woman not-also/neither| a woman spaciously from man |NA not-also/neither man spaciously from woman| in lord

1Co_11:12  because just as the woman is out of the man, such a way also the man is through / because of on account of the woman. however the pl/those all things [are] out of the God.

12 because just-as the woman out of man this-manner and-also the man through [διαG1223 – fig. because of and account of] the woman however all out of the God

1Co_11:13  you pl judge In / among yourselves; Is it being proper/stood upright [for] a woman to be directing in wishing requests in prayer to the God without down hiding-ness / without something coming down and hiding-ish-ness?

13 judge at this time in you(pl) yourselves currently/presently is it constantly/habitually being suitable-for-observing towards a woman without-covered-down-and-hiddeness to currently/presently make herself request-towards/pray [or be made to request-towards/pray] to the God

1Co_11:14  |TSB or| is Not / however/even the nature / physics/puffing-growth |TSB A order| itself teaching you pl in-such a way that: if it may be indeed/[a]men a man might be doing long hair/ [needing maintenance] it is being a devalue/dis honor to him.

14 |TSB or| not-however/neither the nature itself teach currently/presently teach you all in-that if-possibly man should make-long-hair-that-needs-provision currently/presently is a devalue to him

1Co_11:15  however, if it may be a woman might be doing long hair/ [needing maintenance] it is being a glory to her, in that the long hair [needing maintenance] has* been given to her up against* of a thrown-around thing / clothing.

[* done / finished been given to her properly correlating up against...]

15 however if-possibly woman should make-long-hair-that-needs-provision currently/presently is glory to her in-that the long-hair-that-needs-provision has been given to her standing-properly-correlating-up-against from a throw-around/covering [i.e. long hair is given to her as a correlating object to and from a throw-around covering for the head]

1Co_11:16  however, if any certain one is testing/approving to being warm-like-ish-of-conquering / be fond of contention-ish-ness / argumentive-ness, we are Not having / holding to this very sort/such together-ethic/practice / shared custom/behavior, Not-however/even [do] the pl/those called out assemblies of the God.

16 however if any currently/presently tests-and-approves currently to be affectionately-loving-contention we definitely-not currently/presently have/hold towards this together-ethic/practice/custom not-however/neither the called-out/assembly of the God

 

 

Culture Didn’t Create the Head Covering

3/23/24

 

Every Means Every

1st Corinthians 11 repeats the word every for every man, and therefore you're not allowed to find excuses to erase the all applicability of these rules.

 

The Bible specifically commands you to think of this as applying to every man so when you try to narrow it down to only applying to husbands that is a filthy Bible disobedience that earns hell.

 

this is the same spirit using different methods when people say that the head covering is cultural.

 

The Bible specifically says every over and over again and you're not allowed to pretend that this applies to only a certain culture when the Bible specifically says every over and over again!

 

every man crosses all cultures and boundaries, and applies to every man in all cultures and all times and you're not allowed to change the principles upon which first Corinthians 11 is declaratively based.

cultural awareness does not imply cultural origin.

 

culture never informs the Bible about morality, the Bible informs cultures about morality, if people will listen.

 

 

 

saying that head coverings is cultural is a direct lie.

 

modesty never has been an  inclination of culture because flesh never comes up with moral genius.

 

The origin of morality is God not man. You are lying heretic to suggest that something more like modesty comes from the flesh of man's culture when the Bible specifically teaches us that God is the one who always has to correct liberalizing rich perverted fools to put clothes on.

 

Adam and Eve's post-sin culture taught them to put pants on because they were not as far from Truth as we are today.

 

God had to divinely inspire Adam and Eve with words of truth and even demonstrate to them how to put on proper clothing and it has always been the same case ever since...

 

assuming non inspiration to the head covering and pretending like even "Paul wanted people to follow the Norm" and conform to their culture is absolute rebellion and disgusting heresy and profanity against the divine inspiration of moral modesty and Truth...

 

modesty is observably one of those things throughout the Bible that does not change!

 

changing modesty is always the work of a prostate rebellious liberal progressive backsliders slithering in the mud and mire of progressive sin...

 

changing modesty is the work of Satan and his ministers of unrighteousness, the apostate false prophets and false teachers throughout the ages who have always been waging a war against the holy purity of wonderful morality.

 

since we all know that modesty does not change throughout the scriptures we also see that modesty does not change among the fateful conservative righteous who are preserving the truth on the earth

 

since the head covering is talking about modesty therefore we know that the head covering does not change, because we know that all modesty does not change in the Bible and among monotheists...

 

modesty has been upheld almost without change in the Middle East among conservative groups that are even pagan. how sad a state it is that people are claiming to be Christian and they can't even hold on to the modest do you that pagan unbelievers know how to uphold!

 

The Bible is not American or modern culture, it is conservative ancient authentic original monotheistic morality that it's highest peak. therefore you should not superimpose your wicked disgusting apostate modern culture against the Bible or even both in the presence of pagans who know how to obey the Bible better than you do even though they don't believe it!

 

cultures that change morality our cultures that liberalize. being liberal and changing morality go hand in hand and are indistinguishable in the Bible.

 

..

 

the reason assigned by the Bible for obeying the head covering is not for the purpose of conforming to the practices of their culture but instead for obeying the principles of creation.

 

you're not allowed to interpret some other reason and reassign the basis and purpose of the head covering teaching by giving it a contradictory background or purpose different than what the Bible actually assigns as the authentic real reason for commanding obedience to head coverings.

 

 

 

Jeremiah Stephen

He almost got it correctly:

 

“*The word for a literal cloth veil is Kalumma, this is the noun. The verb that means to cover with a Kalumma is Katalial (Kata by the way being the word for "down" as in something that hangs down-as the covering hangs down off the head). Kata also appears in the word Katastole (kata-doum/stole-shawl-or-dress covering) the word he uses in "women should dress in mode at APPAREL (katastole)

 

In 1 Cor, the verb form-Katakalupto is used throughout- either katakalupto which means covered with a cloth veil (NRSV uses the word "veiled") or a-katakalupto (unveiled).

 

There is no question as to meaning when you see the same words used in 2 Cor 3, in references to Moses katalupto-ing himself with a Kalumma -a literal cloth veil, to hide his radient face. It wasn't hair, it wasn't submission, it was a cloth veil.

 

When we compare this NT usage to the Septualint OT usage, we see Kalumma or Katalupto used 18 times, ALWAYS in reference to a literal cloth veil (Tamar covers her head with a veil in mourning, etc)

 

So all throughout 1 Cor, Paul is saying that a man ought not Kataka.to himself (with a Kalumma) and if he does so he dishonors Christ.

 

A woman ought to katakalupto herself. A woman who refuses to katakalupto herself with a Kalumma should have her hair shaved!

 

Some version of Katalupto/Kalumma is used throughout, until the end when Paul uses a different word, saying that the hair is also given to women as a type of covering (Gr: Parabellion).

 

Whether a woman has her long hair parabelion covering or not she is still commanded to further katakalupto herself with a kalumma (veil herself with a cloth veil) just like Moses did in 2 Cor 3)

 

There is something to be said about the headcovering "hiding a woman's glory”

 

Long hair is her glory, but only to be shared with her husband. That was the context in 2 Cor 3 after all where the covering hides the glory!"

 

Posted by Jeremiah Stephen 6/15/15”

 

No Headcovering, No Heaven

head covering is required for salvation

3/31/21-4/1/21

 

We already know that you need to obey all the Bible to inherit heaven so if you intentionally neglect the explicit command to practice head coverings then obviously you're going to hell and have nothing to do with Jesus or the Bible or faith or God.

 

the moral consequences of the words in 1co11 show us that you will go to hell of you disobey the head covering.

 

begging shameful with an uncovered head will easily land you in hell.

 

head coverings are an issue of modesty, as confirmed by historical context, as well as ot context, as well as the very Greek of 1co11.

 

if you don't obey biblical modesty you will not be saved:

1ti2

 

so...

1ti2 - modesty required to be saved

2ti2 - pass on traditions

1co11 - head covering is a modesty tradition

2th2-3; Jude - fight for these traditions or you will be ex-communicated as an end times apostate with eyes full of adultery

 

 

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what did it mean when a woman's hair was cut as a punishment throughout history

 

Disobeying head coverings is punishable by cutting off the hair (1co11), which is historically the punishment for sexual crimes (which the nt says will send you to hell) and/or this "haircut" is at least the same as 'the attire of a harlot'  (Pro_; Assyrian Code) - we should not be surprised because this prostitute is mentioned in the previous chapter: 1co10 (and the parallels in 1co6), and 'her paths lead to hell' according to Proverbs.

 

Prostitutes do not inherit the Kingdom of heaven according to numerous sin lists in the Bible.

 

head coverings are imitating a tradition / transmission of the apostles which is a fundamental element of the faith.

 

you have to imitate these traditions of the apostles/transmissions by receiving them joyfully from the heart in order to be free from living in sin and be a saved disciple as described in Romans 6.

 

you have to keep these traditions to be part of the monotheistic early church described in 2 Timothy_2:2.

 

if you don't keep the traditions of the apostles then you are one of the gross pervert heretic apostates with eyes full of adultery condemned and confronted and warned against in the Epistle of Jude.

 

at the end of this matter, of you doing agree with this biblical teaching on head coverings then you are not part of Jesus's Church and you are already ex-communicated and going to hell.

 

it is an issue of being in the church in 1co11 and disobey ers were not received to communion without it in the early church, which meant you were going to hell as ex-communicated.

 

2th2-3 - you are excommunicated if you don't keep these traditions

 

All that being said, obeying head coverings is not just a prerequisite for salvation, obeying it from the heart is the very process of salvation from sin (and end times apostasy) on into the perfect, infinite, Divine, biblical righteousness of obeying all the bible. (as seen in Romans 6, etc.)

 

Headcovering from the Heart!

 

Headcoverings: "It's What's In the Heart That Counts"???

3/29/21

> YouTube

see: HCG > Bruderhof

 

people actually have the audacity to suggest that head coverings do not make you more christ-like!

 

Excuse you, but The sermon on the Mount is all about obedience!

 

obeying Jesus does make you more like the Anointed One...

 

people really aren't thinking or listening they're just going along with their traditions of men ignoring and setting aside the word of God in their complete mindless hypocrisy while announcing others as being religious...!

 

but isn't it what is in the heart that counts in the end?

 

yes, and what is required in the heart is obedience!

 

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Romans_6:17 - you obeyed from the heart that form of teaching which was tradition-ed unto you

 

Matthew_5:27 - whoever looks at a woman to lust after has already committed adultery with her in his heart

 

Matthew_15:19 - from within the heart comes fornication

 

Matthew_18:7 - woe to the man through whom offenses come

 

if a man commits adultery by looking, and prostitution starts in the heart, and a man is guilty just by looking, it is even more grievous and perverted an evil and sinful for The prostitute who invites him to look...

 

yes indeed, head covering is a moral issue:

 

modesty and sexual purity is, without any question, a weightier matter of justice/righteousness/the love of God

 

in the Bible is always obsessed over moral issues

 

....

child molesters are notorious for downplaying the impact of their crimes on their victims

and likewise you have no right to excuse or downplay your perverse hateful murderous crimes when you are immodest and murdering other people's purity and attacking their dignity and eternal life.

 

pushing someone down into hell with you by your prostitution attacks is not a light matter or something that you as a molester have any prerogative or right or leverage to downplay as though it's not a major deal

 

you have blood on your hands!

....

 

the weightier matters of the law specifically include the love of God

 

and the shemma is very clear that loving God comes first before loving man

 

and loving God is to be done at the expense of your own worthless pitiful wretched human so-called pseudo love for your fellow sinful man

 

The Hair is NOT the Covering!

 

Eph_5: – Greek: Anti touto – the parable directly correlates with the reality, just as with Head Coverings the Cloth directly correlates with the Glorious hair.

 

 

Disobedience Strategies Against Headcoverings

4/20/19; 4/1/21; 12/12/21; 3/22/24

 

there are several basic positions that church people take in order to disobey the biblical command for women to cover their heads:

·         Women with short hair - wicked women who are so far from caring about the head covering that they don't even care about the glory of long hair

·         Women hypocritically pretending that their prostituted hair is a head covering (& we all know that's not true... all you got to do is read the Bible...)

·         Some hardcore women who are doing what they think is the best they can do by putting something on their head whenever they might pray...

·         Anabaptist style caps - Which is less than a man might cover their head when they put on a hat... and this is usually based on the fundamental erroneous myth of a "Christian woman's prayer veil" - the Bible neither describes the head covering as Christian or limited to prayer or a veil... and the only word that is accurate there is "woman"

 

if church people say that a woman's hair is her head covering they are just plain lying to you and themselves but they are not deceiving God who will throw their soul into hell for being a liar and rebel and a boundary breaker...

 

when it comes to church people who are trying to make a claim of believe in the Head covering, or church people who are struggling on how to obey it in general, they almost always make two (defining) fatal errors:

 

(1) church people assume that Paul is only telling them to cover woman's heads during prayer (that is factually not what the text actually says), and,

(2) a woman was not covering her head when she was not praying...

(and even this is based on their fictional "prayer veil")

 

just because Paul said that a woman should have her head hidden during prayer it does not logically follow that we are free to assume that she is free to not have her head covered when she is not praying...

most people feel quite free and justified in making this assumptions however this Sampson itself is not logical nor implied by the text at all - it actually teaches the opposite...

 

the prayer veil myth is based on superstitious Mystical embellishments that are not only additions to the text but contrary to it...

 

the text itself explains the covering as a moral creation modesty based virtue...

 

 

...

 

Obey All, Including Headcoverings

“If we dismiss the use of magic as a language, we should at least be fundamentalist to the bitter end, and go against "Mary Poppins," "Peter Pan," and "Sleeping Beauty," and insist that Cinderella puts a burkha on."[114]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series

3/2/21

>> Sync: LO > Obey All | BDC | other?

 

Yes, that’s exactly the point! -- almost…

(Although it is also hypocritical to suggest that fundamentalism actually exists, and if it did, it would have a bitter end when Jesus said the end of the righteous was actually blessed.)

 

"Because" of Prayer or Purity???

4/20/19; 4/1/21

 

Prayer is of great importance, but so is purity

 

Paul uses the transitional word "because"

 

the arguments following the repeated use of the word “because” expand the argument far beyond the limited (initial) context of Prayer

 

the head covering is based on creation principles and has moral consequences

 

if you do not keep the Traditions which Paul established that means that you are on a first-level excommunication (and even if you have had benefits of Faith you will not inherit the kingdom)...

 

not keeping the Traditions is serious business when breaking the rules of the Bible

 

 

Paul is making a social comparison in the form of a moral equation...

 

and what does man and woman's relationship of authority and submission have to do with head coverings and modesty?

 

let's zoom out for a moment and take notice that in cultures where they diligently practice head covering women are so submissive and held in such subjection that it is considered "oppression"of women...

 

now compare that to our cultures which tend do produce women that are so bold and audacious in their prostitution that they think egalitarianism is a right...!

 

we see that the Bible indeed is true in linking modesty and submission and this is by no accident...

 

 

Long Dress, Hiddenness, And No Braided Hair

11/10/18

 

1st Timothy 2

 

 

The Veil in the Temple

Heb_10:20

 

Even though the word for “veil” in the temple does not include the word “hide,” yet because it “comes down” we know from the context that the Holy of Holies is hidden by it. How much more “hidden” do you suppose a woman’s head is, when the covering is said not only to come down, but also to hide?

 

“Down” Often Implies a Veil -- So Also Downing Head Clothing Can “Veil” the Face

1/29/17

There are plenty of times throughout the Greek Bible where cloth that goes “down” is associated with some kind of veil.

 

Exo_40:22 KJV  And he putH5414 (H853) the tableH7979 in the tentH168 of the congregation,H4150 uponH5921 the sideH3409 of the tabernacleH4908 northward,H6828 withoutH4480 H2351 the vail.H6532

Exo_40:22 ABP  AndG2532 he placedG2007 theG3588 tableG5132 inG1519 theG3588 tentG4633 of theG3588 testimony,G3142 uponG1909 theG3588 sideG2827.1 of theG3588 tentG4633 of theG3588 testimony,G3142 the one G3588 towardsG4314 the north,G1005 from outsideG1855 theG3588 veilG2665 of theG3588 tent.G4633

Exo_40:22  καιG2532 επεθηκεG2007 τηνG3588 τραπεζανG5132 ειςG1519 τηνG3588 σκηνηνG4633 τουG3588 μαρτυριουG3142 επιG1909 τοG3588 κλιτοςG2827.1 τηςG3588 σκηνηςG4633 τουG3588 μαρτυριουG3142 τοG3588 προςG4314 βορρανG1005 εξωθενG1855 τουG3588 καταπετασματοςG2665 τηςG3588 σκηνηςG4633

 

 

Spit is Not Inherently Immodest

Deu_25:9

 

Jesus spit on the ground. It is presumed that no female lusted inappropriately after the spit left on the ground.

 

We see an example from man to woman, and from woman to man.

 

>> how did she manage to spit in his face with a veil on???

 

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10/15/15

 

Son_1:7 CAB Tell me, you whom my soul loves, where you graze your flock, where you rest them at noon; For why should I be as one who is veiled beside the flocks of your companions?  Lover

Son_1:7 WEB Tell me, you whom my soul loves, where you tend your flock, where you cause them to rest at noon, lest I become as one that is veiled by the flocks of your companions.

Son_1:7  Ἀπάγγειλόν μοι, ὃν ἠγάπησεν ἡ ψυχή μου, ποῦ ποιμαίνεις, ποῦ κοιτάζεις ἐν μεσημβρίᾳ, μήποτε γένωμαι ὡς περιβαλλομένη ἐπ᾿ ἀγέλαις ἑταίρων σου.

 

This very clearly shows that if she was not married to him, she would have to remain like all the other women with her head and face hidden from his eyes.

The romance of marriage is what permits for to protest, and insist on the intimacy of him seeing her sexual features, and being able to erotically strip off her head covering so that he may gaze and visually love her in all rejoicing and intimacy.

 

 

5/4/13

1 cor 11 is not the 1st place that the head covering is mentioned/taught. The first explicit place where the arrangement of the head covering is addressed is in Numbers 11, where it presupposes that the woman normally has her head covered at other times (outside of the Numbers 11 case). The Law of Moses is communicated within a context where people understood the morality of modesty. Even the pagan enemies of Israel knew that they needed to cover their heads for modesty’s sakes (ex see Assyrian Code). This is not a Christian thing, or even a Jewish thing, but a human thing, where even the pagans were doing this!

 

When you come to 1cor11, many people want to presuppose that this is a “Christian thing”. But that is like saying that fornication or adultery is a “Christian thing”, when we all know that these sins are just all around wrong before God, across every culture, time, generation, and people groups. Paul appeals to nature, something that predates the proclaimed faith in Jesus.

 

 

The Code of the Assura, c. 1075 BCE

 “I.40. If the wives of a man, or the daughters of a man go out into the street, their heads are to be veiled. The prostitute is not to be veiled. Maidservants [i.e. from defeated nations who were enslaved] are not to veil themselves. Veiled harlots and maidservants shall have their garments seized and 50 blows inflicted on them and bitumen poured on their heads.”

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/1075assyriancode.asp

1/13/13

 

Ancient Assyrians were clearly more Biblical than modern church people.

 

 

 

Drinking and Driving

If I say, “Whoever drives While intoxicated endangers the life of himself and others” This does not at all implied that it is OK to be intoxicated when not driving.  Nor does it imply that you do not risk your own life and the life of others when intoxicated just because you’re not driving. 

 

If Paul says that the woman shames her head if she uncovers it when praying, This does not at all imply that she does not shame her head if she uncovers it when she’s not praying. 

 

If you Foolishly “Modernize” the Bible and imagine the scene Like your own Filthy and immoral culture, Where women are Walking all around without covered heads and coming into church , then you might think that they should cover their head when praying. 

But if you Soberly and realistically Consider the Biblical and historical scene of reverent women Always being fully covered, including their head, whenever going throughout society then you will not imagine the silly picture of them adding a head covering when they come to church. 

 

This is not about adding to the Scriptures or embellishing the commands Of the Bible, this is about repenting of your own foolish and dirty and evil culture, And submitting to what The scriptures clearly tell us about The extreme and consistent modesty of reverent women outside of the assembly as well as inside.

 

 

 

Face

Ø  Briefly compare the first points in chapter 2 under “Head and Face”

 

Lust

So why is it that some people try to think that lusting after a woman’s face is not wrong when there are Bible verses that specifically speak against it and the judgment that results from it?

 

Pro_6:25 Don't lust after her beauty in your heart, Neither let her captivate you with her eyelids, (WEB)”.

 

Isa_3:16-24  Moreover the Lord said, "Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, And walk with outstretched necks and flirting eyes, Walking to trip as they go, Jingling ornaments on their feet;  17  Therefore the Lord brings sores on the crown of the head of the women of Zion, And the Lord will make their scalps bald." 18  In that day the Lord will take away the beauty of their anklets, the headbands, the crescent necklaces, 19  the earrings, the bracelets, the veils, 20  the headdresses, the ankle chains, the sashes, the perfume bottles, the charms, 21  the signet rings, the nose rings, 22  the fine robes, the capes, the cloaks, the purses, 23  the hand-mirrors, the fine linen garments, the hoods, and the shawls. 24  It shall happen that instead of sweet spices, there shall be rottenness; Instead of a belt, a rope; Instead of well set hair, baldness; Instead of a robe, a girding of sackcloth; And branding instead of beauty. (WEB-Based)

 

Although makeup is not necessarily bad, it is worth considering the specifically bad use of it, and it’s potential to be associated with sensuality:

 

-          Make-up

-          eyes

 

2Ki_9:30-33 WEB  When Jehu was come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she painted her eyes, and attired her head, and looked out at the window.  31  As Jehu entered in at the gate, she said, Is it peace, you Zimri, your master's murderer?  32  He lifted up his face to the window, and said, Who is on my side? who? There looked out to him two or three eunuchs.  33  He said, Throw her down. So they threw her down; and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses: and he trod her under foot.

 

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“Shamefacedness”

Taken from “The No Dating Scriptures

 

1Ti_2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness127 and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array… (KJV-Based).

 

A. Greek

 

G127 αἰδώς aidōs ahee-doce' Perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492 (through the idea of downcast eyes); bashfulness, that is, (towards men), modesty or (towards God) awe: - reverence, shamefacedness. (Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries)

…modesty, bashfulness, reverence, regard for others, respect (Thayer’s Greek Definitions)

 

B. Cultural Significance

 

“Shamefacedness” is God’s version of what newer translations often merely translate as “propriety.”  But this verse strongly includes being modest with ones eyes!

     A woman having “downcast eyes” was and is in many places an issue of modesty; It means that they are not being flirtatious.  It is interesting that the Bible approves of, and commands this cultural attitude to be practiced.  Granted: We are in a different culture.  But there is an invaluable chase, non-flirtatious attitude that should and must be harvested from this verse, especially in light of the fact that we are in great deficit of this virtue in our sensually charged society.  Our culture has discipled us to proudly and hastily embrace lustful attitudes toward each other as much as possible.  If we keep this verse, then we do good to make blatant strikes against the foolish love of lust so championed in this perverse age.

 

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Moral “Shamefacedness” for All People Before God?

 

>> get general OT refs…

 

Wis_12:14 Brenton  Neither shall king or tyrant *be able to set his face against thee for any whom thou hast punished [* ἀντοφθαλμῆσαι δυνήσεταί σοι πε ρὶ ὧν ἐκόλασας].

 

Earrings?

 

Deu_15:17 WEB  then you shall take an awl, and thrust it through his ear to the door, and he shall be your servant forever. Also to your female servant you shall do likewise.

Deu_15:17 LB  then you shall take an awl, and bore his ear through to the door, and he shall be your servant forever; and in like manner shall you do to your male servant.

Deu_15:17  καὶ λήμψῃ τὸ ὀπήτιον καὶ τρυπήσεις τὸ ὠτίον αὐτοῦ πρὸς τὴν θύραν, καὶ ἔσται σοι οἰκέτης εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα· καὶ τὴν παιδίσκην σου ποιήσεις ὡσαύτως.

 

 

Headcovering & Veil Preview

 

Veil Preview

4/11/25-4/12/25…4/16/25; 4/18/25; 4/26/25-4/27/25

 

 

>>Scrip: ES

>> GPT Refined Summaries:

 

Gen_20:16 – A price for the covering of eyes

Gen_24:65 – Rebekah Veils Herself when/upon Meeting Isaac

·         MT: A wrap to hide

·         LXX: a harvesting tool thrown around

Gen_29:23 – Jacob didn't recognize which sister he was marrying!

Gen_38 – Tamar’s Veiling

Rth_3:15 – the mantle that's on you?

Son_1:7 – Veiled around strangers (‘beside companions’)

Son_4:1-3 – Woman’s Eyes Behind her Veil

Son_6:7 – Woman’s Cheeks Behind her Veil

comparing the beloved's cheeks behind her veil to slices of pomegranate

Son_5:7 – Watchmen Remove Her Veil

GPT: the removal of the veil signifies a moment of vulnerability and humiliation for the Shulammite woman

Isa_47:2-3 – Removing Virgin Veil = Shaming NAKEDNESS

>>TSK

Isaiah_47:2-3

"Take the millstones and grind flour; remove your veil. Strip off your robe, bare your legs, and wade through the streams. Your nakedness will be exposed and your shame uncovered."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Virgins Wear Veils

Isa_47:2-3

3Ma_4:5-7

 

Extra

Gen_38:14 – Tamar covers her face with a veil to conceal her identity

Exo_34:33 – Moses veils his face after speaking with God

2Co_3:13, etc. – Paul references Moses' use of a veil

 

Headcovering Preview

4/11/25-4/12/25

Num_5:18 – Head Uncovered by Priest (of a Woman Suspected of Adultery)

Note: This shows Monotheistic Females Cover their heads in Public!

This shows that her head is normally covered

Susana Cries When Head & Face are Uncovered

1Co_11:4-6 – Head Coverings Retained During Prayer & Prophesying

 

Extra:

Est_6:12 – Haman covers his head?

Lev_10:6 – Aaron & his sons not to uncover their heads during mourning

Exo_28:40-43 – priestly garments, including head coverings for Aaron and his sons

 

 

SEARCH

Quote All of the other Bible verses that talk about headcoverings

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/quote-all-of-the-bible-verses-HgqW0453TZ6H0SsbVOL91g

Quote All of the Bible verses that talk about a face veil

https://chatgpt.com/c/67f9c3fe-4e4c-800f-bdfd-a501d03e42b1

Haircut Punishment

https://chatgpt.com/share/67f1f404-55f8-800f-af8b-5ef567691d36

 

Harvesting Tools for Modesty? - Difference Between men and Women

4/26/25-4/27/25

 

*[[Gen 24:65]]* WEB She said to the servant, "Who is the man who is walking in the field to meet us?" The servant said, "It is my master." She took her veil, and covered herself.

 

*[[Gen 38:14]]* WEB She took off of her the garments of her widowhood, and covered herself with her veil, and wrapped herself, and sat in the gate of Enaim, which is by the way to Timnah; for she saw that Shelah was grown up, and she wasn't given to him as a wife.

 

*[[Gen 38:19]]* WEB She arose, and went away, and put off her veil from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood.

 

*[[1Sa 13:20]]* WEB but all the Israelites went down to the Philistines, to sharpen every man his plowshare, mattock, axe, and sickle;

 

*[[Son 5:7]]* WEB The watchmen who go about the city found me. They beat me. They bruised me. The keepers of the walls took my cloak away from me.

 

Foreheads -- Overview & Preview

The Doctrine of Foreheads?

4/20/25

 

We need to look at…

·         Hebrew & Greek Foreheads

·         Men’s Foreheads

·         Marked Foreheads

·         Women’s Foreheads

 

Hebrew & Greek Foreheads

4/16/25

 

Hebrew Forehead

H4696

מצח

mêtsach

may'-tsakh

 

AHLB on H4696

“…ac: Hard co: Forehead…

…Forehead: As hard…

…Leg armor: As hard…{str: 4697}”

 

i.e. comp. H4697

 

Strong’s (is kind of confusing):From an unused root meaning to be clear, that is, conspicuous; the forehead (as open and prominent): - brow, forehead, + impudent

 

Greek Forehead

G3359

Μέτωπον – WS: “from metá (G3326), after, above, and ṓps (n.f.), the eye” -- or countenence/face Strong, LSJ.

Implies: Middle/between (eyes & hair)

 

 

Men’s Foreheads

4/16/25; 4/20/25

 

Compare the baldness in Hair & Haircuts

 

Preview: it’s kind of interesting that when a man has a skin disease and he recovers from it he is still considered clean even when his hair falls out. We might say that he’s missing his hair, but God considers this something clean interestingly…

 

Bald forehead (which is extra uncovered and doesn’t even have hair) could be a good thing, for a man – not so with a woman

 

MT: Hard Foreheads -- Sinful Male Foreheads

>> Sync: BDC (multiple) | RiFi

Eze_3:7 WEB  But the house of Israel will not listen to you; for they will not listen to me: for all the house of Israel are of hardH2389 forehead H4696 and of a stiff heart.H7186 H3820 [Isa_48:4; Eze_3:7; 1Sa_25:3]

Eze_3:7 LB  But the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you; for they will not listen to Me; for all the house of Israel are stubborn [φιλόνεικοί] and hard-hearted [σκληροκάρδιοι].

Eze_3:7  ὁ δὲ οἶκος τοῦ Ισραηλ οὐ μὴ θελήσωσιν εἰσακοῦσαί σου, διότι οὐ βούλονται εἰσακούειν μου· ὅτι πᾶς ὁ οἶκος Ισραηλ φιλόνεικοί εἰσιν καὶ σκληροκάρδιοι.

..

Eze_3:8 WEB  Behold, I have made your face hardH2389 against their faces, and your forehead hardH2389 against their foreheads.

Eze_3:8 And behold, I have made your face [πρόσωπόν] strong [δυνατὸν] against their faces, and I will strengthen your power [νείκους] against their power [νείκους].

Eze_3:8  καὶ ἰδοὺ δέδωκα τὸ πρόσωπόν σου δυνατὸν κατέναντι τῶν προσώπων αὐτῶν καὶ τὸ νεῖκός σου κατισχύσω κατέναντι τοῦ νείκους αὐτῶν,

Eze_3:9 WEB  As an adamant harderH2389 than flint have I made your forehead: don't be afraid of them, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they are a rebellious house.

Eze_3:9 And it shall be continually stronger than a rock—do not be afraid of them, neither be dismayed at their faces, because they are a provoking [παραπικραίνων] house.”

Eze_3:9  καὶ ἔσται διὰ παντὸς κραταιότερον πέτρας· μὴ φοβηθῇς ἀπ᾿ αὐτῶν μηδὲ πτοηθῇς ἀπὸ προσώπου αὐτῶν, διότι οἶκος παραπικραίνων ἐστίν.

 

Ezekiel Strengthened

Against their rebellious stubborn stiff necked, hard hearted, and hard forehead, Ezekiel’s face is made “adamant harderH2389 than flint” / “stronger than a rock” (Eze_3:9 WEB/CAB) to fight/conquer [νείκους] them.

 

Ezekiel’s inspired strength foreshadows (and parallels) the inspired plagues of the Two Witnesses against End-times apostates (like the harlot and antichrist’s kingdom), and even the final judgement.

 

 

Brass Foreheads – of Sinful Males

Isa_48:4 WEB  Because I knew that you are obstinate H7186 [Isa_48:4; Eze_3:7; 1Sa_25:3], and your neck is an iron sinew, and your brow brass;

Isa_48:4 LB  I know that you are stubborn [σκληρὸς], and your neck is an iron sinew, and your forehead bronze.

Isa_48:4  γινώσκω ἐγὼ ὅτι σκληρὸς εἶ, καὶ νεῦρον σιδηροῦν ὁ τράχηλός σου, καὶ τὸ μέτωπόν σου χαλκοῦν.

 

How does a man sin with his forehead?

He is hard obstinate stubborn!

 

Judged Foreheads

Punished in the Forehead

 

(A) Uzziah Made Leprous in His Forehead

2Ch_26:19 WEB  Then Uzziah was angry; and he had a censer in his hand to burn incense; and while he was angry with the priests, the leprosy broke forth in his forehead before the priests in the house of Yahweh, beside the altar of incense.

2Ch_26:19 LB  And Uzziah was angry, and in his hand was the censer to burn incense in the temple. And when he was angry with the priests, then the leprosy rose up in his forehead before the priests in the house of the Lord, over the altar of incense.

2Ch_26:19  καὶ ἐθυμώθη Οζιας, καὶ ἐν τῇ χειρὶ αὐτοῦ τὸ θυμιατήριον τοῦ θυμιάσαι ἐν τῷ ναῷ, καὶ ἐν τῷ θυμωθῆναι αὐτὸν πρὸς τοὺς ἱερεῖς καὶ ἡ λέπρα ἀνέτειλεν ἐν τῷ μετώπῳ αὐτοῦ ἐναντίον τῶν ἱερέων ἐν οἴκῳ κυρίου ἐπάνω τοῦ θυσιαστηρίου τῶν θυμιαμάτων.

2Ch_26:20 WEB  Azariah the chief priest, and all the priests, looked on him, and behold, he was leprous in his forehead, and they thrust him out quickly from there; yes, himself hurried also to go out, because Yahweh had struck him.

2Ch_26:20 And Azariah the chief priest, and the other priests, turned to look at him, and behold, he was leprous in his forehead; and they got him out of there quickly, for he also hastened to go out, because the Lord had rebuked [ἤλεγξεν] him.

2Ch_26:20  καὶ ἐπέστρεψεν ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸν ὁ ἱερεὺς ὁ πρῶτος καὶ οἱ ἱερεῖς, καὶ ἰδοὺ αὐτὸς λεπρὸς ἐν τῷ μετώπῳ· καὶ κατέσπευσαν αὐτὸν ἐκεῖθεν, καὶ γὰρ αὐτὸς ἔσπευσεν ἐξελθεῖν, ὅτι ἤλεγξεν αὐτὸν κύριος.

2Ch_26:21 WEB  Uzziah the king was a leper to the day of his death, and lived in a separate house, being a leper; for he was cut off from the house of Yahweh: and Jotham his son was over the king's house, judging the people of the land.

2Ch_26:21 And Uzziah the king was a leper until the day of his death, and he dwelt as a leper in a separate house; for he was cut off from the house of the Lord; and Jotham his son was set over his kingdom, judging the people of the land.

2Ch_26:21  καὶ ἦν Οζιας ὁ βασιλεὺς λεπρὸς ἕως ἡμέρας τῆς τελευτῆς αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐν οἴκῳ αφφουσωθ ἐκάθητο λεπρός, ὅτι ἀπεσχίσθη ἀπὸ οἴκου κυρίου· καὶ Ιωαθαμ ὁ υἱὸς αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τῆς βασιλείας αὐτοῦ κρίνων τὸν λαὸν τῆς γῆς.

 

(B) Goliath Killed

David Killed Goliath in his Forehead

 

1Sa_17:49 WEB  David put his hand in his bag, and took there a stone, and slang it, and struck the Philistine in his forehead H4696; and the stone sank into his forehead, and he fell on his face to the earth.

1Sa_17:49 LB  And David stretched out his hand into his bag, and took out a stone, and slung it, and struck the Philistine on his forehead [ἐπὶ τὸ μέτωπον αὐτοῦ], and the stone penetrated through the helmet into his forehead [καὶ διέδυ ὁ λίθος διὰ τῆς περικεφαλαίας εἰς τὸ μέτωπον αὐτοῦ], and he fell upon his face [καὶ ἔπεσεν ἐπὶ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ] to the ground.

1Sa 17:49  καὶ ἐξέτεινεν Δαυιδ τὴν χεῖρα αὐτοῦ εἰς τὸ κάδιον καὶ ἔλαβεν ἐκεῖθεν λίθον ἕνα καὶ ἐσφενδόνησεν καὶ ἐπάταξεν τὸν ἀλλόφυλον ἐπὶ τὸ μέτωπον αὐτοῦ, καὶ διέδυ ὁ λίθος διὰ τῆς περικεφαλαίας εἰς τὸ μέτωπον αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἔπεσεν ἐπὶ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν.

 

(C) End Times

Divine eternal judgement of sinful men’s foreheads.

See: Marked Foreheads

 

 

Summary: Men’s Sinful Foreheads Are Called…

·         Strong/Powerful/hard (Eze_3:7-9) face (Eze_3:8) & MT: forehead

·         LXX: liking to conquer [φιλνεικοίνείκους] (Eze_3:7-8)

·         stiff ”/ “obstinate” (Isa_48:4; Eze_3:7 WEB) “stiff heart” / “hard-hearted” (Eze_3:7 WEB/CAB)

·         neck is an iron sinew” (Isa_48:4) (in both text)

·         Comp. Stiff Neck: WS on H7186: Exo_32:9, Exo_33:3, Exo_33:5; Deu_9:6, Deu_9:13; cf. Eze_3:7

·         rebellious / provoking [παραπικραίνων] house (Eze_3:9)

·         brow brass” / “forehead bronze” (Isa_48:4 WEB/CAB)

 

The Point: Sinful Men’s foreheads are evil – that is a lot of what we get upfront about the foreheads of men in the Bible

 

And these rebellious sins have been, and will be, judged!

See: Ezekiel Strengthened

 

But One Sin is Missing!

There is at least one very important particular sin which is pointedly missing and not mentioned against men when they have sinful foreheads.

Can you guess what it is? (uncovered, bold)

Hold on to find out…

 

 

Marked Foreheads

Other date(s); 4/20/25

 

The Good & the Bad of Marked Foreheads

·         The very mention of Marked Foreheads conjures up ideas about the Mark of the Beast, which is understandable. – that makes sense

·         But just focusing on the demonic aspect of Marked Foreheads that actually leaves you very uneducated and unprepared for the End Times.

·         It is just as important to get the right Mark on your forehead as it is to avoid the wrong one.

 

Church people are already signing up ahead of time which shows their aversion to the bad mark is not working.

 

 

Marking Soldiers & Slaves

Extra-Biblical Background Reported by VGNT

 

VGNT on G3359:

μέτοπον

μέτωπον [page 407]

With Rev_13:16, where the allusion is to the habit of marking soldiers and slaves with a distinctive brand (see Moffatt ad l. in EGT), we may compare P Lille I. 29ii. 36 (iii/B.C.) ὁ δὲ παραλ[αβὼν τὸ ἀνδρά]ποδον μαστιγωσ[άτω μὴ ἔ]λασσον ἑκατὸν π[ληγῶν καὶ] στίξατο τὸ μέτω[πον—with reference to the punishment of a runaway slave. The word is naturally common in those personal descriptions with which the papyri have made us so familiar, e.g. BGU III. 975.9 (A.D. 45) (= Selections, p. 42) οὐλ] μετόπο ἀριστερο (l. μετώπῳ ἀριστερῷ), “a scar on the left forehead,” P Oxy I. 72.46 (A.D. 90) οὐ(λὴ) μετώπ() μέσῳ, and P Fay 91.10 (A.D. 99) οὐλὴ μετόπωι ἐγ δεξιῶν. MGr μέτωπο.

 

Rev_18:13 NKJV and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.

Rev_18:13 SBL καὶ κινάμωμον καὶ θυμιάματα καὶ μύρον καὶ λίβανον καὶ οἶνον καὶ ἔλαιον καὶ σεμίδαλιν καὶ σῖτον καὶ κτήνη καὶ πρόβατα καὶ ἵππων καὶ ῥεδῶν καὶ σωμάτων καὶ ψυχὰς ἀνθρώπων.

 

Holy Golden Forehead

Exo_28:36 WEB  "You shall make a plate of pure gold, and engrave on it, like the engravings of a signet, 'HOLY TO YAHWEH.'

Exo_28:36 LB  “And you shall make a plate of pure gold, and you shall engrave on it like the engraving of a signet: Holiness to the Lord.

Exo_28:36  καὶ ποιήσεις πέταλον χρυσοῦν καθαρὸν καὶ ἐκτυπώσεις ἐν αὐτῷ ἐκτύπωμα σφραγῖδος Ἁγίασμα κυρίου.

Exo_28:37 WEB  You shall put it on a lace of blue, and it shall be on the sash; on the front of the sash it shall be.

Exo_28:37 And you shall put it on the spun blue cloth, and it shall be on the turban: it shall be in the front of the turban.

Exo_28:37  καὶ ἐπιθήσεις αὐτὸ ἐπὶ ὑακίνθου κεκλωσμένης, καὶ ἔσται ἐπὶ τῆς μίτρας· κατὰ πρόσωπον τῆς μίτρας ἔσται.

Exo_28:38 WEB  It shall be on Aaron's forehead, and Aaron shall bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall make holy in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always on his forehead, that they may be accepted before Yahweh.

Exo_28:38 And it shall be on the forehead of Aaron; and Aaron shall bear away the sins of their holy things, all that the children of Israel shall sanctify of every gift of their holy things, and it shall be on the forehead of Aaron continually acceptable for them before the Lord.

Exo_28:38  καὶ ἔσται ἐπὶ τοῦ μετώπου Ααρων, καὶ ἐξαρεῖ Ααρων τὰ ἁμαρτήματα τῶν ἁγίων, ὅσα ἂν ἁγιάσωσιν οἱ υἱοὶ Ισραηλ, παντὸς δόματος τῶν ἁγίων αὐτῶν· καὶ ἔσται ἐπὶ τοῦ μετώπου Ααρων διὰ παντός, δεκτὸν αὐτοῖς ἔναντι κυρίου. --

 

This is a special honor for the Aaronic priest.

Do any other people get to have holy sacredness on their foreheads?

 

Passover

Exo 13:9 WEB  It shall be for a sign to you on your hand, and for a memorial between your eyes, that the law of Yahweh may be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt.

Exo 13:9 LB  And it shall be unto you a sign upon your hand and a memorial before your eyes, that the law of the Lord may be in your mouth, for with a strong hand the Lord God has brought you out of Egypt.

Exo 13:9  καὶ ἔσται σοι σημεῖον ἐπὶ τῆς χειρός σου καὶ μνημόσυνον πρὸ ὀφθαλμῶν σου, ὅπως ἂν γένηται ὁ νόμος κυρίου ἐν τῷ στόματί σου· ἐν γὰρ χειρὶ κραταιᾷ ἐξήγαγέν σε κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἐξ Αἰγύπτου.

 

Shema & Commands on Foreheads

 

Original Shema

Deu 6:4 WEB  Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one:

Deu 6:4 LB  “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.

Deu 6:4  Καὶ ταῦτα τὰ δικαιώματα καὶ τὰ κρίματα, ὅσα ἐνετείλατο κύριος τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ ἐξελθόντων αὐτῶν ἐκ γῆς Αἰγύπτου Ἄκουε, Ισραηλ· κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν κύριος εἷς ἐστιν·

Deu 6:5 WEB  and you shall love Yahweh your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

Deu 6:5 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your mind [καρδίας – heart], and with all your soul, and with all your strength.

Deu 6:5  καὶ ἀγαπήσεις κύριον τὸν θεόν σου ἐξ ὅλης τῆς καρδίας σου καὶ ἐξ ὅλης τῆς ψυχῆς σου καὶ ἐξ ὅλης τῆς δυνάμεώς σου.

Deu 6:6 WEB  These words, which I command you this day, shall be on your heart;

Deu 6:6 “And these words, all that I command you this day, shall be in your heart and in your soul.

Deu 6:6  καὶ ἔσται τὰ ῥήματα ταῦτα, ὅσα ἐγὼ ἐντέλλομαί σοι σήμερον, ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ σου καὶ ἐν τῇ ψυχῇ σου·

Deu 6:7 WEB  and you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise up.

Deu 6:7 And you shall teach them to your children, and you shall speak of them sitting in the house, and walking on the road, and lying down, and rising up.

Deu 6:7  καὶ προβιβάσεις αὐτὰ τοὺς υἱούς σου καὶ λαλήσεις ἐν αὐτοῖς καθήμενος ἐν οἴκῳ καὶ πορευόμενος ἐν ὁδῷ καὶ κοιταζόμενος καὶ διανιστάμενος·

Deu 6:8 WEB  You shall bind them for a sign on your hand, and they shall be for symbols between your eyes.

Deu 6:8 And you shall fasten them for a sign upon your hand, and it shall be immovable before your eyes.

Deu 6:8  καὶ ἀφάψεις αὐτὰ εἰς σημεῖον ἐπὶ τῆς χειρός σου, καὶ ἔσται ἀσάλευτον πρὸ ὀφθαλμῶν σου·

Deu 6:9 WEB  You shall write them on the door posts of your house, and on your gates.

Deu 6:9 And you shall write them on the lintels of your houses and of your gates.

Deu 6:9  καὶ γράψετε αὐτὰ ἐπὶ τὰς φλιὰς τῶν οἰκιῶν ὑμῶν καὶ τῶν πυλῶν ὑμῶν.

 

Shema Repeated

Deu 11:18 WEB  Therefore you shall lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul; and you shall bind them for a sign on your hand, and they shall be for symbols between your eyes.

Deu 11:18 LB  “And you shall store these words in your heart and in your soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and it shall be fixed before your eyes.

Deu 11:18  καὶ ἐμβαλεῖτε τὰ ῥήματα ταῦτα εἰς τὴν καρδίαν ὑμῶν καὶ εἰς τὴν ψυχὴν ὑμῶν· καὶ ἀφάψετε αὐτὰ εἰς σημεῖον ἐπὶ τῆς χειρὸς ὑμῶν, καὶ ἔσται ἀσάλευτον πρὸ ὀφθαλμῶν ὑμῶν·

Deu 11:19 WEB  You shall teach them your children, talking of them, when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise up.

Deu 11:19 And you shall teach them to your children, so as to speak about them when you sit in the house, and when you walk by the way, and when you sleep, and when you rise up.

Deu 11:19  καὶ διδάξετε αὐτὰ τὰ τέκνα ὑμῶν λαλεῖν αὐτὰ καθημένους ἐν οἴκῳ καὶ πορευομένους ἐν ὁδῷ καὶ κοιταζομένους καὶ διανισταμένους·

Deu 11:20 WEB  You shall write them on the door posts of your house, and on your gates;

Deu 11:20 And you shall write them on the doorposts of your houses, and on your gates;

Deu 11:20  καὶ γράψετε αὐτὰ ἐπὶ τὰς φλιὰς τῶν οἰκιῶν ὑμῶν καὶ τῶν πυλῶν ὑμῶν,

 

Phylacteries Defiled

Mat 23:5 CAB  But all their works they do in order to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and they enlarge the borders of their garments.

Mat 23:5  πάντα δὲ τὰ ἔργα αὐτῶν ποιοῦσι πρὸς τὸ θεαθῆναι τοῖς ἀνθρώποις. πλατύνουσι γὰρ τὰ φυλακτήρια αὐτῶν καὶ μεγαλύνουσι τὰ κράσπεδα τῶν ἱματίων αὐτῶν,

Mat 23:5  παντα δε τα εργα αυτων ποιουσιν προς το θεαθηναι τοις ανθρωποις πλατυνουσιν Aγαρ TSBδε τα φυλακτηρια αυτων και μεγαλυνουσιν τα κρασπεδα TSBτων TSBιματιων TSBαυτων

 

Mourners Marked -- Against Jerusalem’s Abominations

Eze_9:4 WEB  Yahweh said to him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark on the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry over all the abominations that are done in its midst.

Eze_9:4 LB  and said to him, “Go through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark [σημεῖον] on the foreheads of the men that groan and that grieve for all the iniquities [ἀνομίαις] that are done in the midst of them.”

Eze_9:4  καὶ εἶπεν πρὸς αὐτόν Δίελθε μέσην τὴν Ιερουσαλημ καὶ δὸς τὸ σημεῖον ἐπὶ τὰ μέτωπα τῶν ἀνδρῶν τῶν καταστεναζόντων καὶ τῶν κατωδυνωμένων ἐπὶ πάσαις ταῖς ἀνομίαις ταῖς γινομέναις ἐν μέσῳ αὐτῆς.

Eze_9:5 WEB  To the others he said in my hearing, Go you through the city after him, and strike: don't let your eye spare, neither have you pity;

Eze_9:5 And He said to the first in my hearing, “Go after him into the city, and strike: and let not your eyes spare, neither have mercy.

Eze_9:5  καὶ τούτοις εἶπεν ἀκούοντός μου Πορεύεσθε ὀπίσω αὐτοῦ εἰς τὴν πόλιν καὶ κόπτετε καὶ μὴ φείδεσθε τοῖς ὀφθαλμοῖς ὑμῶν καὶ μὴ ἐλεήσητε·

Eze_9:6 WEB  kill utterly the old man, the young man and the virgin, and little children and women; but don't come near any man on whom is the mark: and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the old men that were before the house.

Eze_9:6 Utterly slay old man and youth, and virgin and infants and women: but do not go near any on whom is the mark: begin at My sanctuary.” So they began with the elder men who were within in the house.

Eze_9:6  πρεσβύτερον καὶ νεανίσκον καὶ παρθένον καὶ νήπια καὶ γυναῖκας ἀποκτείνατε εἰς ἐξάλειψιν, ἐπὶ δὲ πάντας, ἐφ᾿ οὕς ἐστιν τὸ σημεῖον, μὴ ἐγγίσητε· καὶ ἀπὸ τῶν ἁγίων μου ἄρξασθε. καὶ ἤρξαντο ἀπὸ τῶν ἀνδρῶν τῶν πρεσβυτέρων, οἳ ἦσαν ἔσω ἐν τῷ οἴκῳ.

 

Passover & Shemma: hand, forehead, doorposts

Passover rules apply here

 

>>Scrip:

2Pe_2:7 – Righteous Lot Tormented Soul

2Pe_2:7 NKJV and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked

2Pe_2:8 NKJV (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)

2Pe 2:7 CAB  and He rescued righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the indecent conduct of lawless men

2Pe 2:7  καὶ δίκαιον Λὼτ καταπονούμενον ὑπὸ τῆς τῶν ἀθέσμων ἐν ἀσελγείᾳ ἀναστροφῆς ἐρρύσατο·

2Pe 2:8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, tormented his righteous soul by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)--

2Pe 2:8  βλέμματι γὰρ καὶ ἀκοῇ ὁ δίκαιος, ἐγκατοικῶν ἐν αὐτοῖς, ἡμέραν ἐξ ἡμέρας ψυχὴν δικαίαν ἀνόμοις ἔργοις ἐβασάνιζεν·

2Pe 2:9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptation and how to keep the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,

2Pe 2:9  οἶδε Κύριος εὐσεβεῖς ἐκ πειρασμοῦ ῥύεσθαι, ἀδίκους δὲ εἰς ἡμέραν κρίσεως κολαζομένους τηρεῖν,

2Pe 2:9  οιδεν κυριος ευσεβεις εκ Sπειρασμων TBAπειρασμου ρυεσθαι αδικους δε εις ημεραν κρισεως κολαζομενους τηρειν

 

 

Name

Rev 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and by no means shall he go out any longer. And I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from heaven from My God. And My new name.

Rev 3:12  ῾Ο νικῶν, ποιήσω αὐτὸν στῦλον ἐν τῷ ναῷ τοῦ Θεοῦ μου, καὶ ἔξω οὐ μὴ ἐξέλθῃ ἔτι, καὶ γράψω ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸν τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Θεοῦ μου, καὶ τὸ ὄνομα τῆς πόλεως τοῦ Θεοῦ μου, τῆς καινῆς ῾Ιερουσαλήμ, ἣ καταβαίνει ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ ἀπὸ τοῦ Θεοῦ μου, καὶ τὸ ὄνομά μου τὸ καινόν.

Rev 3:12  ο νικων ποιησω αυτον στυλον εν τω ναω του θεου μου και εξω ου μη εξελθη ετι και γραψω επ αυτον το ονομα του θεου μου και το ονομα της πολεως του θεου μου της καινης ιερουσαλημ η SBκαταβαινει TAκαταβαινουσα εκ του ουρανου απο του θεου μου και το ονομα Bμου TSAμου το καινον

 

Sealing God’s Servants Upon Foreheads

Rev_7:3 CAB  saying, "Do not harm the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, until we shall seal the servants of our God on their foreheads."

Rev_7:3  λέγων· μὴ ἀδικήσητε τὴν γῆν μήτε τὴν θάλασσαν μήτε τὰ δένδρα, ἄχρι οὗ σφραγίσωμεν τοὺς δούλους τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν ἐπὶ τῶν μετώπων αὐτῶν.

Rev_7:3  λεγων μη αδικησητε την γην μητε την θαλασσαν μητε τα δενδρα Aαχρι TSBαχρις TSBου SBAσφραγισωμεν Tσφραγιζωμεν τους δουλους του θεου ημων επι των μετωπων αυτων

Rev_7:4 And I heard the number of those having been sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand having been sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:

Rev_7:4  καὶ ἤκουσα τὸν ἀριθμὸν τῶν ἐσφραγισμένων· ἑκατὸν τεσσεράκοντα τέσσαρες χιλιάδες ἐσφραγισμένοι ἐκ πάσης φυλῆς υἱῶν ᾿Ισραήλ·

Rev_7:4  και ηκουσα τον αριθμον των εσφραγισμενων BAεκατον Bκαι Bτεσσαρακοντα Aτεσσερακοντα BAτεσσαρες TSρμδ χιλιαδες εσφραγισμενοι εκ πασης φυλης υιων ισραηλ

 

Seal of God Upon Foreheads

Rev_9:4  CAB  They were told not to harm the grass of the earth, nor any plant, nor any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

Rev_9:4  καὶ ἐρρέθη αὐταῖς ἵνα μὴ ἀδικήσωσι τὸν χόρτον τῆς γῆς οὐδὲ πᾶν χλωρὸν οὐδὲ πᾶν δένδρον, εἰ μὴ τοὺς ἀνθρώπους οἵτινες οὐκ ἔχουσι τὴν σφραγῖδα τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐπὶ τῶν μετώπων αὐτῶν.

Rev_9:4  και ερρεθη αυταις ινα μη Aαδικησουσιν Bαδικησωσι TSαδικησωσιν τον χορτον της γης ουδε παν χλωρον ουδε παν δενδρον ει μη τους ανθρωπους TSμονους οιτινες ουκ BAεχουσι TSεχουσιν την σφραγιδα του θεου επι των μετωπων TSBαυτων

 

Numeric: Rev_9:4  Eze_9:4

 

Mark of the Beast

Rev_13:15 CAB  And it was granted to him to give breath [πνεῦμα] to the image [εἰκόνι] of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Rev_13:15  καὶ ἐδόθη αὐτῷ δοῦναι πνεῦμα τῇ εἰκόνι τοῦ θηρίου, ἵνα καὶ λαλήσῃ ἡ εἰκὼν τοῦ θηρίου καὶ ποιήσῃ, ὅσοι ἐὰν μὴ προσκυνήσωσι τῇ εἰκόνι τοῦ θηρίου, ἵνα ἀποκτανθῶσι.

Rev_13:15  και εδοθη αυτω TSAδουναι πνευμα Bδουναι τη εικονι του θηριου ινα και λαληση η εικων του θηριου και ποιηση Aινα οσοι BAεαν TSαν μη Bπροσκυνησωσι TSAπροσκυνησωσιν BAτη TSτην BAεικονι TSεικονα του θηριου Bαποκτανθωσι TSινα TSAαποκτανθωσιν

Rev_13:16  And he causes all, small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, that they should receive marks on their right hand, or on their foreheads,

Rev_13:16  καὶ ποιεῖ πάντας, τοὺς μικροὺς καὶ τοὺς μεγάλους, καὶ τοὺς πλουσίους καὶ τοὺς πτωχούς, καὶ τοὺς ἐλευθέρους καὶ τοὺς δούλους, ἵνα δῶσιν αὐτοῖς χάραγμα ἐπὶ τῆς χειρὸς αὐτῶν τῆς δεξιᾶς ἢ ἐπὶ τὸ μέτωπον αὐτῶν,

Rev_13:16  και ποιει παντας τους μικρους και τους μεγαλους και τους πλουσιους και τους πτωχους και τους ελευθερους και τους δουλους ινα BAδωσιν TSδωση αυτοις Bχαραγματα TSAχαραγμα επι της χειρος αυτων της δεξιας η επι Aτο TSBτων Aμετωπον TSBμετωπων αυτων

Rev_13:17 and that no one may buy or sell except he that has the mark, the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev_13:17  καὶ ἵνα μή τις δύνηται ἀγοράσαι ἢ πωλῆσαι εἰ μὴ ὁ ἔχων τὸ χάραγμα, τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ θηρίου ἢ τὸν ἀριθμὸν τοῦ ὀνόματος αὐτοῦ.

Rev_13:17  και ινα μη τις Bδυναται TSAδυνηται αγορασαι η πωλησαι ει μη ο εχων το χαραγμα TSη το ονομα του θηριου η τον αριθμον του ονοματος αυτου

Rev_13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of man--his number is 666.

Rev_13:18  ῟Ωδε ἡ σοφία ἐστίν· ὁ ἔχων νοῦν ψηφισάτω τὸν ἀριθμὸν τοῦ θηρίου· ἀριθμὸς γὰρ ἀνθρώπου ἐστί· καὶ ὁ ἀριθμὸς αὐτοῦ χξς᾿.

Rev_13:18  ωδε η σοφια εστιν ο εχων TSτον νουν ψηφισατω τον αριθμον του θηριου αριθμος γαρ ανθρωπου εστιν Bκαι TSAκαι ο αριθμος αυτου Aεξακοσιοι Aεξηκοντα Aεξ Bεστιν TSBχξς

 

Tormented for the Mark of the Beast

 

Preview

·         Rev_14:1 – 144,000 with God’s name written on their foreheads

·         Rev_14:8 – Babylon the great has fallen (CAB)

·         Rev_14:9-10 – Marked Beast Worshipers Tormented eternally

 

ES: The Lamb and the 144,000

Rev_14:1  CAB  And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father having been written on their foreheads.

Rev_14:1  Καὶ εἶδον, καὶ ἰδοὺ τὸ ἀρνίον ἑστηκὸς ἐπὶ τὸ ὄρος Σιών, καὶ μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ ἑκατὸν τεσσεράκοντα τέσσαρες χιλιάδες, ἔχουσαι τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ καὶ τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ γεγραμμένον ἐπὶ τῶν μετώπων αὐτῶν.

Rev_14:1  και ειδον και ιδου Aτο Bτο αρνιον Aεστος TSBεστηκος επι το ορος σιων και μετ αυτου Bαριθμος Bρμδ TSAεκατον TSτεσσαρακοντα Aτεσσερακοντα TSAτεσσαρες χιλιαδες εχουσαι BAτο BAονομα BAαυτου BAκαι το ονομα του πατρος αυτου γεγραμμενον επι των μετωπων αυτων

Rev_14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And the voice which I heard was as of harpists playing on their harps.

Rev_14:2  καὶ ἤκουσα φωνὴν ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ ὡς φωνὴν ὑδάτων πολλῶν καὶ ὡς φωνὴν βροντῆς μεγάλης· καὶ ἡ φωνὴ ἣν ἤκουσα, ὡς κιθαρῳδῶν κιθαριζόντων ἐν ταῖς κιθάραις αὐτῶν.

Rev_14:2  και ηκουσα φωνην εκ του ουρανου ως φωνην υδατων πολλων και ως φωνην βροντης μεγαλης και BAη BAφωνη BAην TSφωνην ηκουσα BAως κιθαρωδων κιθαριζοντων εν ταις κιθαραις αυτων

Rev_14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne, and before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one was able to learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth.

Rev_14:3  καὶ ᾄδουσιν ᾠδὴν καινὴν ἐνώπιον τοῦ θρόνου καὶ ἐνώπιον τῶν τεσσάρων ζῴων καὶ τῶν πρεσβυτέρων· καὶ οὐδεὶς ἐδύνατο μαθεῖν τὴν ᾠδὴν εἰ μὴ αἱ ἑκατὸν τεσσεράκοντα τέσσαρες χιλιάδες, οἱ ἠγορασμένοι ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς.

Rev_14:3  και αδουσιν Aως TSως ωδην καινην ενωπιον του θρονου και ενωπιον των τεσσαρων ζωων και των πρεσβυτερων και ουδεις BAεδυνατο TSηδυνατο μαθειν την ωδην ει μη αι Bρμδ TSAεκατον TSτεσσαρακοντα Aτεσσερακοντα TSAτεσσαρες χιλιαδες οι ηγορασμενοι απο της γης

Rev_14:4 These are those who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are those who follow the Lamb wherever He may go. These were redeemed by Jesus from among men, firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

Rev_14:4  οὗτοί εἰσιν οἳ μετὰ γυναικῶν οὐκ ἐμολύνθησαν· παρθένοι γάρ εἰσιν. οὗτοι εἰσιν οἱ ἀκολουθοῦντες τῷ ἀρνίῳ ὅπου ἂν ὑπάγῃ. οὗτοι ἠγοράσθησαν ἀπὸ τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἀπαρχὴ τῷ Θεῷ καὶ τῷ ἀρνίῳ·

Rev_14:4  ουτοι εισιν οι μετα γυναικων ουκ εμολυνθησαν παρθενοι γαρ εισιν ουτοι TSBεισιν οι ακολουθουντες τω αρνιω οπου αν υπαγη ουτοι Bυπο Bιησου ηγορασθησαν απο των ανθρωπων απαρχη τω θεω και τω αρνιω

Rev_14:5 And no guile was found in their mouth, for they are blameless.

Rev_14:5  καὶ οὐχ εὑρέθη ψεῦδος ἐν τῷ στόματι αὐτῶν· ἄμωμοι γὰρ εἰσιν.

Rev_14:5  και εν τω στοματι αυτων ουχ ευρεθη BAψευδος TSδολος αμωμοι TSBγαρ Bεισι TSAεισιν TSενωπιον TSτου TSθρονου TSτου TSθεου

ES: The Messages of the Three Angels

Rev_14:6 Then I saw an angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel [εὐαγγέλιον αἰώνιον] to proclaim to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation, tribe, language, and people,

Rev_14:6  Καὶ εἶδον ἄλλον ἄγγελον πετόμενον ἐν μεσουρανήματι, ἔχοντα εὐαγγέλιον αἰώνιον εὐαγγελίσαι ἐπὶ τοὺς καθημένους ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς καὶ ἐπὶ πᾶν ἔθνος καὶ φυλὴν καὶ γλῶσσαν καὶ λαόν,

Rev_14:6  και ειδον TSAαλλον αγγελον BAπετομενον TSπετωμενον εν μεσουρανηματι εχοντα ευαγγελιον αιωνιον ευαγγελισαι Aεπι τους BAκαθημενους TSκατοικουντας επι της γης και BAεπι παν εθνος και φυλην και γλωσσαν και λαον

Rev_14:7 saying with a loud voice, "Fear the Lord and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and you shall worship Him who made heaven and earth, and the sea and fountains of waters."

Rev_14:7  λέγων ἐν φωνῇ μεγάλῃ· φοβήθητε τὸν Θεὸν καὶ δότε αὐτῷ δόξαν, ὅτι ἦλθεν ἡ ὥρα τῆς κρίσεως αὐτοῦ, καὶ προσκυνήσατε τῷ ποιήσαντι τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ τὴν γῆν καὶ τὴν θάλασσαν καὶ πηγὰς ὑδάτων.

Rev_14:7  BAλεγων TSλεγοντα εν φωνη μεγαλη φοβηθητε τον θεον και δοτε αυτω δοξαν οτι ηλθεν η ωρα της κρισεως αυτου και προσκυνησατε τω ποιησαντι τον ουρανον και την γην και SBτην θαλασσαν και πηγας υδατων

Rev_14:8 And another, a second angel followed, saying, "Babylon the great has fallen. From the wine of the wrath of her fornication, she has made all the nations to drink."

Rev_14:8  Καὶ ἄλλος δεύτερος ἄγγελος ἠκολούθησε λέγων· ἔπεσεν, ἔπεσε Βαβυλὼν ἡ μεγάλη, ἣ ἐκ τοῦ οἴνου τοῦ θυμοῦ τῆς πορνείας αὐτῆς πεπότικε πάντα ἔθνη.

Rev_14:8  και αλλος Bδευτερος αγγελος Aδευτερος Bηκολουθησε TSAηκολουθησεν λεγων Bεπεσεν TSAεπεσεν Bεπεσε TSAεπεσεν βαβυλων η TSπολις TSη μεγαλη Aη TSοτι εκ του οινου του θυμου της πορνειας αυτης Bπεποτικε TSAπεποτικεν παντα BAτα εθνη

Rev_14:9  Then another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the Beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,

Rev_14:9  Καὶ ἄλλος ἄγγελος τρίτος ἠκολούθησεν αὐτοῖς λέγων ἐν φωνῇ μεγάλῃ· εἴ τις προσκυνεῖ τὸ θηρίον καὶ τὴν εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ, καὶ λαμβάνει χάραγμα ἐπὶ τοῦ μετώπου αὐτοῦ ἢ ἐπὶ τὴν χεῖρα αὐτοῦ,

Rev_14:9  και BAαλλος TSτριτος αγγελος BAτριτος ηκολουθησεν αυτοις λεγων εν φωνη μεγαλη ει τις BAπροσκυνει το θηριον TSπροσκυνει και την εικονα αυτου και λαμβανει χαραγμα επι του μετωπου αυτου η επι την χειρα αυτου

Rev_14:10 then he shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out undiluted in the cup of His wrath. And they shall be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb.

Rev_14:10  καὶ αὐτὸς πίεται ἐκ τοῦ οἴνου τοῦ θυμοῦ τοῦ Θεοῦ τοῦ κεκερασμένου ἀκράτου ἐν τῷ ποτηρίῳ τῆς ὀργῆς αὐτοῦ, καὶ βασανισθήσεται ἐν πυρὶ καὶ θείῳ ἐνώπιον τῶν ἁγίων ἀγγέλων καὶ ἐνώπιον τοῦ ἀρνίου.

Rev_14:10  και αυτος πιεται εκ του οινου του θυμου του θεου του κεκερασμενου ακρατου εν τω ποτηριω της οργης αυτου και βασανισθησεται εν πυρι και θειω ενωπιον TSBτων TSBαγιων αγγελων Aαγιων και ενωπιον του αρνιου

Rev_14:11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, those who worship the Beast and his image, and anyone who receives the mark of his name."

Rev_14:11  καὶ ὁ καπνὸς τοῦ βασανισμοῦ αὐτῶν εἰς αἰῶνας αἰώνων ἀναβαίνει, καὶ οὐκ ἔχουσιν ἀνάπαυσιν ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτός οἱ προσκυνοῦντες τὸ θηρίον καὶ τὴν εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ, καὶ εἴ τις λαμβάνει τὸ χάραγμα τοῦ ὀνόματος αὐτοῦ.

Rev_14:11  και ο καπνος του βασανισμου αυτων TSαναβαινει εις αιωνας αιωνων BAαναβαινει και ουκ εχουσιν αναπαυσιν ημερας και νυκτος οι προσκυνουντες το θηριον και την εικονα αυτου και ει τις λαμβανει το χαραγμα του ονοματος αυτου

Rev_14:12 Here is the endurance of the saints; those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Rev_14:12  ῟Ωδε ἡ ὑπομονὴ τῶν ἁγίων ἐστίν, οἱ τηροῦντες τὰς ἐντολὰς τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ τὴν πίστιν ᾿Ιησοῦ.

Rev_14:12  ωδε BAη υπομονη των αγιων εστιν Bωδε TSωδε οι τηρουντες τας εντολας του θεου και την πιστιν ιησου

 

Rev_14:13 – Blessed Dead Obeyers (i.e. Martyrs, in contrast)

 

Mother of Harlots -- Written upon Forehead

ES: The Great Prostitute and the Beast

Rev_17:1 CAB  Then one of the seven angels having the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot [τῆς πόρνης τῆς μεγάλης] who sits on many waters,

Rev_17:1  Καὶ ἦλθεν εἷς ἐκ τῶν ἑπτὰ ἀγγέλων τῶν ἐχόντων τὰς ἑπτὰ φιάλας, καὶ ἐλάλησε μετ᾿ ἐμοῦ λέγων· δεῦρο, δείξω σοι τὸ κρῖμα τῆς πόρνης τῆς μεγάλης τῆς καθημένης ἐπὶ ὑδάτων πολλῶν,

Rev_17:1  και ηλθεν εις εκ των επτα αγγελων των εχοντων τας επτα φιαλας και Bελαλησε TSAελαλησεν μετ εμου λεγων TSμοι δευρο δειξω σοι το κριμα της πορνης της μεγαλης της καθημενης επι TSBτων υδατων TSBτων πολλων

Rev_17:2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication [ἐπόρνευσαν], and those dwelling on the earth became drunk from the wine of her fornication."

Rev_17:2  μεθ᾿ ἧς ἐπόρνευσαν οἱ βασιλεῖς τῆς γῆς, καὶ ἐμεθύσθησαν οἱ κατοικοῦντες τὴν γῆν ἐκ τοῦ οἴνου τῆς πορνείας αὐτῆς.

Rev_17:2  μεθ ης επορνευσαν οι βασιλεις της γης και εμεθυσθησαν BAοι BAκατοικουντες BAτην BAγην εκ του οινου της πορνειας αυτης TSοι TSκατοικουντες TSτην TSγην

Rev_17:3 And he led me away in the Spirit, into a deserted place. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast being filled with names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Rev_17:3  καὶ ἀπήνεγκέ με εἰς ἔρημον ἐν πνεύματι. καὶ εἶδον γυναῖκα καθημένην ἐπὶ θηρίον κόκκινον, γέμον ὀνόματα βλασφημίας, ἔχων κεφαλὰς ἑπτὰ καὶ κέρατα δέκα.

Rev_17:3  και Bαπηνεγκε TSAαπηνεγκεν με εις ερημον εν πνευματι και ειδον γυναικα καθημενην επι θηριον κοκκινον TSBγεμον Aγεμοντα BAονοματα TSονοματων βλασφημιας Aεχων TSBεχον κεφαλας επτα και κερατα δεκα

Rev_17:4 And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, gilded with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup being filled with abominations and the filthiness of the fornication of the earth.

Rev_17:4  καὶ ἡ γυνὴ ἦν περιβεβλημένη πορφυροῦν καὶ κόκκινον καὶ κεχρυσωμένη χρυσίῳ καὶ λίθῳ τιμίῳ καὶ μαργαρίταις, ἔχουσα ποτήριον χρυσοῦν ἐν τῇ χειρὶ αὐτῆς γέμον βδελυγμάτων καὶ τὰ ἀκάθαρτα τῆς πορνείας αὐτῆς,

Rev_17:4  και η γυνη SBAην Tη περιβεβλημενη BAπορφυρουν TSπορφυρα και BAκοκκινον TSκοκκινω TSAκαι κεχρυσωμενη BAχρυσιω TSχρυσω και λιθω τιμιω και μαργαριταις εχουσα TSχρυσουν ποτηριον BAχρυσουν εν τη χειρι αυτης γεμον βδελυγματων και BAτα BAακαθαρτα BAτης TSακαθαρτητος πορνειας αυτης

Rev_17:5  And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY [μυστήριον], BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Rev_17:5  καὶ ἐπὶ τὸ μέτωπον αὐτῆς ὄνομα γεγραμμένον· μυστήριον, Βαβυλὼν ἡ μεγάλη, ἡ μήτηρ τῶν πορνῶν καὶ τῶν βδελυγμάτων τῆς γῆς.

Rev_17:6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled [θαῦμα] with great amazement.

Rev_17:6  καὶ εἶδον τὴν γυναῖκα μεθύουσαν ἐκ τοῦ αἵματος τῶν ἁγίων καὶ ἐκ τοῦ αἵματος τῶν μαρτύρων ᾿Ιησοῦ. καὶ ἐθαύμασα ἰδὼν αὐτὴν θαῦμα μέγα.

Rev_17:6  και ειδον την γυναικα μεθυουσαν εκ του αιματος των αγιων Bκαι TSAκαι εκ του αιματος των μαρτυρων ιησου και εθαυμασα ιδων αυτην θαυμα μεγα

Rev_17:7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the Beast carrying her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.

Rev_17:7  καὶ εἶπέ μοι ὁ ἄγγελος· διατί ἐθαύμασας; ἐγὼ ἐρῶ σοι τὸ μυστήριον τῆς γυναικὸς καὶ τοῦ θηρίου τοῦ βαστάζοντος αὐτήν, τοῦ ἔχοντος τὰς ἑπτὰ κεφαλὰς καὶ τὰ δέκα κέρατα.

Rev_17:7  και Bειπε TSAειπεν μοι ο αγγελος BAδια BAτι TSδιατι εθαυμασας εγω TSσοι ερω BAσοι το μυστηριον της γυναικος και του θηριου του βασταζοντος αυτην του εχοντος τας επτα κεφαλας και τα δεκα κερατα

Rev_17:8 The Beast which you saw was, and is not, and is about to ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth shall marvel, whose name is not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the Beast that was, and is not, and shall be present.

Rev_17:8  Τὸ θηρίον ὃ εἶδες ἦν καὶ οὐκ ἔστι, καὶ μέλλει ἀναβαίνειν ἐκ τῆς ἀβύσσου καὶ εἰς ἀπώλειαν ὑπάγειν· καὶ θαυμασθήσονται οἱ κατοικοῦντες ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, ὧν οὐ γέγραπται τὸ ὄνομα ἐπὶ τὸ βιβλίον τῆς ζωῆς ἀπὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου, βλεπόντων τὸ θηρίον ὅτι ἦν καὶ οὐκ ἔστι καὶ παρέσται.

Rev_17:8  SBAτο θηριον ο ειδες ην και ουκ Bεστι TSAεστιν και μελλει αναβαινειν εκ της αβυσσου και εις απωλειαν Aυπαγει TSBυπαγειν και Aθαυμασθησονται TSBθαυμασονται οι κατοικουντες επι της γης ων ου γεγραπται Aτο TSBτα Aονομα TSBονοματα επι το βιβλιον της ζωης απο καταβολης κοσμου BAβλεποντων Bοτι Bην TSβλεποντες το θηριον Aοτι TSο TSτι TSAην και ουκ Bεστι TSAεστιν BAκαι TSκαιπερ BAπαρεσται TSεστιν

 

Resurrected & Reigning -- Without Beast’s Mark!

Thousand Year Reign

 

Rev_20:4  CAB  And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who had been beheaded on account of the testimony of Jesus, and on account of the word of God, and those who had not worshipped the Beast or his image, and they did not receive the mark on their forehead or on their hand. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for the thousand years.

Rev_20:4  Καὶ εἶδον θρόνους, καὶ ἐκάθισαν ἐπ᾿ αὐτούς, καὶ κρῖμα ἐδόθη αὐτοῖς, καὶ τὰς ψυχὰς τῶν πεπελεκισμένων διὰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν ᾿Ιησοῦ καὶ διὰ τὸν λόγον τοῦ Θεοῦ, καὶ οἵτινες οὐ προσεκύνησαν τὸ θηρίον οὔτε τὴν εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ, καὶ οὐκ ἔλαβον τὸ χάραγμα ἐπὶ τὸ μέτωπον αὐτῶν καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν χεῖρα αὐτῶν· καὶ ἔζησαν καὶ ἐβασίλευσαν μετὰ τοῦ Χριστοῦ χίλια ἔτη·

Rev_20:4  και ειδον θρονους και εκαθισαν επ αυτους και κριμα εδοθη αυτοις και τας ψυχας των πεπελεκισμενων δια την μαρτυριαν ιησου και δια τον λογον του θεου και οιτινες ου προσεκυνησαν Aτο TSBτω Aθηριον TSBθηριω Aουδε TSBουτε την εικονα αυτου και ουκ ελαβον το χαραγμα επι το μετωπον Bαυτων TSαυτων και επι την χειρα αυτων και εζησαν και εβασιλευσαν μετα BAτου χριστου Bτα Tτα χιλια ετη

 

God’s Name upon Foreheads -- into Eternity!

Rev_22:3 CAB  And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants will minister to Him.

Rev_22:3  καὶ πᾶν κατάθεμα οὐκ ἔσται ἔτι· καὶ ὁ θρόνος τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ τοῦ ἀρνίου ἐν αὐτῇ ἔσται, καὶ οἱ δοῦλοι αὐτοῦ λατρεύσουσιν αὐτῷ

Rev_22:3  και παν BAκαταθεμα TSκαταναθεμα ουκ εσται Bεκει TSAετι και ο θρονος του θεου και του αρνιου εν αυτη εσται και οι δουλοι αυτου λατρευσουσιν αυτω

Rev_22:3  And they shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads.

Rev_22:4  καὶ ὄψονται τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ, καὶ τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τῶν μετώπων αὐτῶν.

√ GNT-V

 

Remember the Jewish priest with God’s Amazing Holiness written in gold on his forehead?

See: Holy Golden Forehead

 

Women’s Foreheads

4/16/25

 

Shameless Prostitute's Forehead

 

Pro_5:3

Pro_6:25

Pro_7:10-20

Pro_9:3

 

>>ABP Read!!

Jer_3:3 WEB  Therefore the showers have been withheld, and there has been no latter rain; yet you have a prostitute's forehead, you refused to be ashamed.

Jer_3:3 LB  And you retained many shepherds for a stumbling block to yourself. You had a whore's face; you became shameless toward all.

Jer_3:3  καὶ ἔσχες ποιμένας πολλοὺς εἰς πρόσκομμα σεαυτῇ· ὄψις πόρνης ἐγένετό σοι, ἀπηναισχύντησας πρὸς πάντας.

 

If a woman’s Forehead is Shameless, it shows she is a Prostitute!

This does not simply say that their culture feared showing a woman’s forehead, but much rather, if your culture does NOT fear showing a woman’s forehead then you are a Prostitute’s culture!

 

 

Besides human culture…

 

This is God’s indignation at the outrage of perverted society which is given to Prostitution and adultery!

 

Notice the clear links of all of this immorality with the lack of head modesty!

 

Those who blindly insist that the headcovering in 1Co_11 is not about Prostitution are lying in outrageous error.

 

Other

 

Eze_16:12 – KJV: thy forehead,H639

But it matches with nose in current Heb & Greek

Incl. Jewels

Eze_16:12 WEB  I put a ring on your nose, and earrings in your ears, and a beautiful crown on your head.

Eze_16:12 LB  And I put a pendant in your nose, and rings in your ears, and a crown of glory on your head.

Eze_16:12  καὶ ἔδωκα ἐνώτιον περὶ τὸν μυκτῆρά σου καὶ τροχίσκους ἐπὶ τὰ ὦτά σου καὶ στέφανον καυχήσεως ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλήν σου·

 

Hair & Haircuts

 

 

Baldness is Clean -- for a Man

>> Hair & Haircuts

 

Lev_13:40 WEB  "If a man's hair has fallen from his head, he is bald. He is clean.

Lev_13:40 LB  And if anyone's head should lose his hair, he is only bald, he is clean.

Lev_13:40  Ἐὰν δέ τινι μαδήσῃ ἡ κεφαλὴ αὐτοῦ, φαλακρός ἐστιν, καθαρός ἐστιν·

Lev_13:40  WEB  If his hair has fallen off from the front part of his head, he is forehead bald. He is clean.

Lev_13:41 And if his head should lose the hair in front, ·he is forehead bald [ἀναφάλαντός ἐστιν], he is clean.

Lev_13:41  ἐὰν δὲ κατὰ πρόσωπον μαδήσῃ ἡ κεφαλὴ αὐτοῦ, ἀναφάλαντός ἐστιν, καθαρός ἐστιν.

Lev_13:42 WEB  But if there is in the bald head, or the bald forehead, a reddish-white plague; it is leprosy breaking out in his bald head, or his bald forehead.

Lev_13:42 And if there should be in his baldness of head, or his baldness of forehead, a white or fiery plague, it is leprosy in his baldness of head, or baldness of forehead.

Lev_13:42  ἐὰν δὲ γένηται ἐν τῷ φαλακρώματι αὐτοῦ ἢ ἐν τῷ ἀναφαλαντώματι αὐτοῦ ἁφὴ λευκὴ ἢ πυρρίζουσα, λέπρα ἐστὶν ἐν τῷ φαλακρώματι αὐτοῦ ἢ ἐν τῷ ἀναφαλαντώματι αὐτοῦ,

Lev_13:43 WEB  Then the priest shall examine him; and, behold, if the rising of the plague is reddish-white in his bald head, or in his bald forehead, like the appearance of leprosy in the skin of the flesh,

Lev_13:43 And the priest shall look upon him, and behold, if the appearance of the plague is white or inflamed in his baldness of head or baldness in front, as the appearance of leprosy in the skin of his flesh,

Lev_13:43  καὶ ὄψεται αὐτὸν ὁ ἱερεὺς καὶ ἰδοὺ ἡ ὄψις τῆς ἁφῆς λευκὴ πυρρίζουσα ἐν τῷ φαλακρώματι αὐτοῦ ἢ ἐν τῷ ἀναφαλαντώματι αὐτοῦ ὡς εἶδος λέπρας ἐν δέρματι τῆς σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ,

Lev_13:44 WEB  he is a leprous man. He is unclean. The priest shall surely pronounce him unclean. His plague is on his head.

Lev_13:44 then he is a leprous man; the priest shall surely pronounce him unclean, his plague is in his head.

Lev_13:44  ἄνθρωπος λεπρός ἐστιν· μιάνσει μιανεῖ αὐτὸν ὁ ἱερεύς, ἐν τῇ κεφαλῇ αὐτοῦ ἡ ἁφὴ αὐτοῦ.

 

This is an unusual Hebrew & Greek word for “forehead bald

 

Lev_13:43 – Baldness is only unclean when it also has skin issues

 

Contrast a man’s clean bald head with the same of a woman’s hair cut!

 

 

 

Baldness Despised by Flesh Perverts

>>Scrip:

Go up bald man

 

Corners or Foreheads Cut

 

Jer_49:32 WEB  Their camels shall be a booty, and the multitude of their livestock a spoil: and I will scatter to all winds those who have the corners of their hair cut off; and I will bring their calamity from every side of them, says Yahweh.

Jer_49:32 LB  And their camels shall be a spoil, and the multitude of their cattle shall be destroyed; and I will scatter them as chaff with every wind, having their hair cut about their foreheads; I will bring on their overthrow from all sides,” says the Lord.

Jer_49:32  (30:27) καὶ ἔσονται κάμηλοι αὐτῶν εἰς προνομὴν καὶ πλῆθος κτηνῶν αὐτῶν εἰς ἀπώλειαν· καὶ λικμήσω αὐτοὺς παντὶ πνεύματι κεκαρμένους πρὸ προσώπου αὐτῶν, ἐκ παντὸς πέραν αὐτῶν οἴσω τὴν τροπὴν αὐτῶν, εἶπεν κύριος.

 

Head and Face

 

Main New Testament reference: 1Co_11:1-16

 

But they Did Sometimes Hide Their Head When Ashamed

 

Comparing Some Greek

Our (spiritual) gospel is not veiled to those who are saved

“We all with open face behold” ?

 

When Moses veiled the glory of his face (Exo_34:33) it is said

 

Επεθηκεν 2007[V-AAI-3S] επι 1909[PREP] το 3588[T-ASN] προσωπον 4383[N-ASN] αυτου 846

 

Or in 2Co_3:13:

καλυμμα 2571[A VEIL] επι 1909[ON] το 3588[THE] προσωπον 4383

 

Veil of temple uses “kata” + “flying” to be expressed in Greek

 

Times to Not Veil

It seems that the Biblical idea of veiling was the same of regular clothing.

 

When Traveling In The Hot Son Before Meeting Isaac

Though righteous Rebecca did not have the veil on during the unbearably hot ride through the desert, as soon as the issue of modesty was present she veiled herself:

 

Peter

In the same way Peter did not fully cloth himself in the hot work of fishing, but when met by Jesus from the shore he quickly clothed himself.

 

Feet Washing

When the woman kissed Jesus’ feet there was at least some removing of the veil? Or possibly the mouth is never covered?

 

Therefore, it is safe to say that head coverings were always used for social situations (non-family members), and veils were very necisary where there was unfamiliarity with some involved and any greater potential for lust. The lesson in 1Co_11 is that the Assembly of the church is no exception to this practice of covering the hair or veiling the face. In short, this is literally described as “Something that comes down and hides the head”

 

 

--

 

A man shames his head if he has something coming down it:

 

Est_7:8

 

Est_6:12; Job_9:24; Isa_22:17

 

“Shame has covered our faces”

 

Eli Saw Hanna’s Mouth Move

Unsolved Face Veil Question

3/12/17; 12/12/21

 

1Sa_1:12 WEB  It happened, as she continued praying before Yahweh, that Eli marked her mouth.

1Sa_1:12 LB  And it came to pass, while she was praying a long time before the Lord, that Eli the priest watched her mouth.

1Sa_1:12  καὶ ἐγενήθη ὅτε ἐπλήθυνεν προσευχομένη ἐνώπιον κυρίου, καὶ Ηλι ὁ ἱερεὺς ἐφύλαξεν τὸ στόμα αὐτῆς·

 

·         This passage brings up important questions about the face veil -- this time of prayer is definitely a time to veil, right?.

·         The sight of the mouth speaking can still be seen despite a face veil.

·         We (Bible obeyers) can speak as those who know -- since we practice face veils and still see mouths moving.

 

Mouth Veil – Thirsty Silent-ness

G4623 G4602 G4601

 

Isa_42:14

 

 

Sarah Hiding Behind The Tent Wall

8/20/17; 8/22/17

 

>> scrip:

Sarah hiding behind the tent wall when the Three Angels came and visited.

 

we can compare this scene with other passages in the Bible and with many other potent examples throughout history and we can get a very potent realization of what is going on with Sarah hiding behind the wall typically without a head covering "In the Heat of the day", and with some seriously striking virtue of humility and quiet feminine modesty, listening into the men talking and deciding what will happen in life.

 

because she was a humble submissive quiet virtuous female, modestly hiding behind the tent wall, not even intending to be a part of the conversation, but only to listen, she was also exalted greatly without her consent.

 

 

WARNING: The Head Covering is an Issue of Modesty!

The Bible definitely teaches that a woman ought not to remove her head covering* during prayer and prophecy, and that a man ought not to add a head covering* during these times (1Co 11). It is an unspeakable tragedy that most all versions are extremely haphazard, irresponsible, sloppy, and vague when misrepresenting this chapter in English, but people in other cultures have been obeying this for thousands of years! Even “conservative Muslims” know how to obey this chapter better than modern christians!

[* Important Details: The Biblical word for a head covering is to “ἔχωνκατακαλύπτεσθαι” – to “have something coming down (κατα) and hiding (καλύπτεσθαι).” The root word “καλύπτω” (G2572), (as used in 1Co 11) is a somewhat more “clothing-specific” verbal relative to the more general concepts of “hiding” such as “κρύπτω” (G2928) and the corresponding noun “κρυπτω” (G2927) as used in Mat_6:6, etc.]
12/19/11

 

Headship vs. Body

 

Eph_1:22-23

Jesus = head

Church = Body

 

1Co_11:

Man = head

Woman = his body

 

If she uncovers her physical head, she is uncovering her authoritative head’s entire body, whether that is her father, brothers, husband, or the men in the church in general. This is a universal man-woman dynamic.

 

Her head = His Body (because she is his body)

 

Uncovering Her head = Uncovering His Body (because she is his body)

 

her head

 

Talmud Agrees with the Veil

“and this is the part of an evil man,  who sees his wife going out,  without a veil upon her head,  and with a bare neck,  and sees her washing in the baths,  where men are wont to wash,  and yet cares not for it;  whereas by the law he is bound to put her away.”

(from the Talmud – “Maimonides and Gittin” [says Lightfoot])

 

Although these hard hearted Jews are obviously very wrong about divorcing her (just as it is seen in Mat_19 and Mar_10), yet they do preserve a consistent and even Biblical concept of modesty.

 

There are many other quotes I need to add here as well.

 

Rebekka & Tamar

Rebekka - Gen_24:65

θέριστρον περιεβάλετο

\/

Tamar - Gen_38:14

περιεβάλετο θέριστρον καὶ ἐκαλλωπίσατο

p. 164 ALS > 299

 

Does it include the face?:

Katakalupto to prosopon -

 

Tamar, Susana, Isea, Tertullian

 

 

Son_4:1 - σιωπήσεώς

ALS 493

 

Jdt_9:2  KJVA  O Lord God of my father Simeon, to whom thou gavest a sword to take vengeance of the strangers, who loosened the girdle of a maid to defile her, and discovered the thigh to her shame, and polluted her virginity to her reproach; for thou saidst, It shall not be so; and yet they did so:

 

Jdt_10:3 KJVA  And pulled off [περιείλατο] the sackcloth [τὸν σάκκον] which she had on [ἐνεδεδύκει], and put off [ἐξεδύσατο] the garments [τὰ ἱμάτια] of her widowhood, and washed [περιεκλύσατο] her body all over with water, and anointed [ἐχρίσατο] herself with precious ointment, and braided the hair [διέξανε (Dia + compare G1815 - G1817) τὰς τρίχας G2359] of her head, and put on a tire upon it [ἐπέθετο (see G2111; G276; G428; G802; G1455; G1570) μίτραν (p. 377 ALS*) ἐπ᾿ αὐτῆς], and put on her garments [τὰ ἱμάτια] of gladness [τῆς εὐφροσύνης αὐτῆς], wherewith she was clad [ἐν οἷς ἐστολίζετο] during the life of Manasses her husband.

 

* p. 377 ALS:

"μίτρα, -??

headdress, tier, headband (to bind women's hair together)..."

[can also be a type of crown]

 

NETS says, “turban”

 

Jdt_10:4 KJVA  And she took sandals upon [εἰς] her feet, and put about [περιέθετο] her her bracelets [τοὺς χλιδῶνας], and her chains [τὰ ψέλια], and her rings [τοὺς δακτυλίους], and her earrings [τὰ ἐνώτια], and all her ornaments [τὸν κόσμον αὐτῆς], and decked herself bravely [ἐκαλλωπίσατο σφόδρα G4970], to [εἰς] allure the eyes of all men [ἀπάτησιν ὀφθαλμῶν ἀνδρῶν] that should see her [ὅσοι ἂν ἴδωσιν αὐτήν].

 

Jdt_10:7 KJVA  And when they saw her, that her countenance [πρόσωπον αὐτῆς] was altered, and her apparel [τὴν στολὴν] was changed, they wondered at her beauty very greatly [ἐθαύμασαν ἐπὶ τῷ κάλλει αὐτῆς ἐπὶ πολὺ σφόδρα], and said unto her.

 

Rebekah, Susanna, & Maccabean Brides -- History Agrees with the Bible

Other date(s) (~2010?); 12/12/21

The Use of Veils During Bible Times -- in and outside the Bible

 

Gen_24:63-67 KJV And Isaac went out to meditate in the field at the eventide: and he lifted up his eyes, and saw, and, behold, the camels were coming.  64  And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.  65  For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself  65  …and she became his wife; and he loved her.

 

Dan_13:31-32 KJV  31 Now Susanna was a very delicate woman, and beauteous to behold. 32 And these wicked men commanded to uncover her face, (for she was covered) that they might be filled with her beauty. 33 Therefore her friends and all that saw her wept.

 

Side Notes:

This is quote is taken from “The history of Susana” which was originally included in the KJV but was eventually removed under the pressure of Protestantism that prevailed in labeling these works as “the Apocrypha.”

“The History of Susana” is often placed at the end of Daniel right before another work call “Bell and the Dragon” because both of these stories feature Daniel in them.

 

3Ma_4:6-9 Brenton  Girls [νεανιδες – young girls (i.e. over 12 years old)] who had *entered the bridal chamber [* υπεληλυθυιαι (come under) παστον] quite lately, to enjoy the *partnership of marriage [* βιου κοινωνιαν γαμικον – the sharing/ fellowship of the (here and now) life of marriage], exchanged pleasure for misery; and with dust [κονει] scattered upon their myrrh-anointed heads, were hurried along unveiled [ακαλυπτως – lit. unhidden; (this is the same root used in 1Co_11)];

 

Note: it is not claimed that this is Scripture, but it is at least a very ancient historical reference which agrees with the Biblical mentality.

 

Back when people use to care about the exclusive, marital participation in another person’s sexuality, this was seen as an extreme and painful tragedy!  What about you, oh desensitized, modern harlot?  Do you care if you go around in public unveiled?

 

Muslim & Talmud Agree About Headcoverings

Persecuted Writer A Resources

An email Persecuted Writer A sent me 8/15/11:

 

-- Under Construction --

 

Muslim rebuking Christians: I really appreciate this rebuke since so much of it is true and she says things more bluntly than I would have originally thought to do, and she explained things in a way that I had not originally thought to say. It really is something of a glimpse on what is going to happen on the judgement. Sadly not everything is true. Be sure to have your pictures off when looking at this though. Theoretically every women's head is covered on the page, but it is not up to moral standards in most cases.

http://ilovehishmatheblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/jewish-and-christian-hijab-ii.html

If you are interested here is a link to what she says about headcoverings before Islam. I have not read this yet. The pictures are worse here than in the other page though.

http://ilovehishmatheblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/part-i-illustrated-history-of-evolution.html

Here  is the website that had the Talmud references in them.. Its under the title "PROOF C: BIBLICAL AND TALMUDIC EVIDENCE"
http://www.thesimpletruth.net/booklet/headcovering.html

this was another helpful talmud website. I did not check to see if you already have these references though. It might be helpful to you.
drewkaplan.info/Torah/TalmudicSourcesonWomensHeadHairCovering.pdf

 

Anointing with a Head Covering?

Woman Anointing And Drying Jesus’ Feet With Her Hair

4/5/25-4/6/25; 4/16/25

 

 

If she uncovered her hair then that would imply this was a non-public gathering,

(However that doesn't appear to fit the description.)

 

Heretics like to suggest that she was doing something scandalous and shocking and countercultural, and even (in fact, actually) counter-modesty, and counter-morality, which puts JC at odds with Paul, and even God:

liberals want to say Jesus was endorsing the scandal of an uncovered head when we all know that Paul would have disapproved of such a scandal, therefore the JC of Christian them is Antichrist because this hateful evil JC is disobeying the Bible through Paul instead of fulfilling all of God's commands.

 

But as for the real Jesus in the Bible...

 

The actual text ambiguous and nonspecific at first, but in fact it actually tells us something very important about how this scene unfolded socially...

 

The actual text of the actual Bible has Simon thinking inside of himself that if this man were a prophet he would know that the woman was sinful who was touching him

 

This vital detail tells us that nothing overtly scandalous was happening like an uncovered head in public, because it is implied that Jesus would need prophetic discernment to tell that she was a sinner, whereas if she were committing some kind of shocking social and modesty no such superpowers would be necessary, since she would be guilty of the punishment of an adulterous according to Paul.

 

Furthermore, the woman anointing Jesus's feet, is interacting with his head and with his feet, and nothing in between!

 

The woman is not doing a sexually explicit immodest immoral liberation, but rather is strictly interacting with the safe zone of cross gender interactions:

 

Head and feet and hands are the furthest from the center of the body and are there for the potentially safe zones, and the head and feet are the safest zones.

 

Men could put their hands on women's heads without defilement, and women can touch men's feet without defilement, as seen in this case as well as Abigail in 1st Samuel 25, and numerous other examples of "the safe zones"

 

Therefore, we have at least two vitally important details that clearly show us that something scandalous is not

happening with the anointing:

·         Simon thinks that it would require the supernatural discernment of a prophet to tell she was a sinner

·         The woman is explicitly touching safe zones and avoiding immoral physical contact

 

·         Therefore we need to stop trying to change the Bible to fit our culture, and instead change our culture to fit the Bible.

 

We need to stop making up fairy tale mythological JC idols that  find different ways to disobey the Bible and justify our liberal liberated immoral lusts and rebellious disobedience.

 

 

 

Biblical Science Versus Rebellious Fiction

4/5/25-4/6/25

Remember and consider that the Bible worships and praises and teachers on that which is observably real in science, not what is idealistically fantasized in fiction and mythology.

 

Therefore the chosen has betrayed its own deception by promoting fictional mythology against head coverings that doesn't actually correlate with hard and fast scientifically observable reality:

 

Monotheists covered heads, and this was reinforced by Moses and Paul, whereas pagans allowed the indulgence of immodesty.

 

The chosen is presenting there on Antichrist to promote the fictional mythology of immodesty liberation which has nothing to do with the scientifically observable factual historical Bible and monotheistic history and confirm the morality throughout  numerous ancient texts that all converge on a moral consensus about women's hair.

 

The hard fast scientifically observable reality is that monotheism covers women's hair and the fictional mythology promoted by The chosen is that JC is promoting immodesty liberation which has nothing to do with scientifically observable reality and historical consensus.

 

Instead of changing the observer to conform to the reliable reality and factual standards of the actual Bible, The chosen is trying to take JC and conform him to the worldly culture of modern immodest, immoral liberation.

 

>>Scrip:

woe to those who change bitter for sweet and Sweet for bitter and call evil good and good evil

 

And notice that the chosen is trying to incriminate the reverence of self-denying monotheism as though righteousness promoters are the bad guys!

 

Notice that liberal perverts are trying to sow seeds of antagonism against righteous people who want to promote Bible obedience of head coverings!

 

But for those who are being persecuted and slandered by such satanic propaganda, they can take heart and be encouraged because the real Jesus says to us:

 

>>Scrip:

you are blessed when they persecute you and cast out your name is evil

 

So the chosen is being woe-ed by the Bible, for replacing Good and evil and swapping bitter and sweet, and Jesus is blessing head covers for being persecuted by such hateful propaganda and for being slandered as evildoers for the sake of the hope of the good message of monotheism and salvation into clean monotheistic truth and faith.

 

 

 

Loose Hair is Irrelevant

4/5/25-4/6/25

We should not get distracted by ignorant illiterate commentators who talk about the scandal of a woman losing her hair, when what is actually in question is whether she particularly uncovered her hair.

 

Theoretically she could have kept her hair tied while drying his feet or she could have untied her hair under a head covering to dry his feet but the real question is how much of her head covering did she keep on not whether or not her hair was untied underneath it or not

 

 

 

“Shame” Shows that Headcoverings are a Modesty Issue!

 

Man should not be ashamed to show off his head, because he is an icon intended to be looked at, while woman is not an icon at all, and should be covered.

 

 

Shame ≈ Dishonor/Devalue

Dishonor is a synonym for Shame

 

Jer_22:22 The wind shall feed all your shepherds, and your lovers shall go into captivity: surely then you will be ashamed and confounded for all your wickedness.

Jer_22:22 The wind shall tend all your shepherds, and your lovers shall go into captivity; for then shall you be ashamed [αἰσχυνθήσῃ] and disgraced [ἀτιμωθήσῃ] because of all your lovers.

Jer_22:22  πάντας τοὺς ποιμένας σου ποιμανεῖ ἄνεμος, καὶ οἱ ἐρασταί σου ἐν αἰχμαλωσίᾳ ἐξελεύσονται· ὅτι τότε αἰσχυνθήσῃ καὶ ἀτιμωθήσῃ ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν φιλούντων σε.

 

Just like it is used in 1Co_11:14 

 

1Co_11:14 CAB  Does not nature itself teach you, that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor [ατιμια] to him?

1Co_11:14  TSBη ουδε TSBαυτη η φυσις Aαυτη διδασκει υμας οτι ανηρ μεν εαν κομα ατιμια αυτω εστιν

 

The Point: Shame ≈ Devaluing + Perception

Shame ≈ Devaluing by perception

 

Shame ≈ Disfigure

12/5/21

 

This is important because it is somewhat related to SCHEMA

 

Strong’s:

“to disfigure: πρόσωπον, Homer, Iliad 18, 24, and many others.”

 

-- Under Construction --

 

Possibly this passage?:

 

“pain was come upon me after I had fallen afar through the will of my shameless mother, that was fain to hide me away by reason of my lameness

https://www.theoi.com/Text/HomerIliad18.html

12/5/21

 

Alternatively:

“Thine were the shame,it anywise he come, a corpse despitefully entreated."”

 

Can’t find the idea here (in 24):

http://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/homer/iliad24.htm

 

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0134%3Abook%3D24

 

 

 

Schema

 

 

Anti-schema & Dishonor

Also compare the equivalent idea with anti-schema:

 

1Co_12:23-24 -- Presentable vs. Unpresentable Parts

 

Gen_34:7  And theG3588 G1161 sonsG5207 of JacobG* cameG2064 fromG1537 theG3588 plain.G3977.1 And asG5613 G1161 they heard,G191 [3were vexedG2660 1theG3588 2men],G435 andG2532 it was distressingG3077.1 G1510.7.3 to themG1473 exceedingly.G4970 ForG3754 [2an indecent act G809 1he did]G4160 inG1722 Israel,G* going to bedG2837 withG3326 theG3588 daughterG2364 of Jacob.G* AndG2532 notG3756 thusG3779 shall it be.G1510.8.3 

 

Deu_24:1  And ifG1437 G1161 anyG5100 takeG2983 a womanG1135 andG2532 should live withG4924 her,G1473 andG2532 it shall beG1510.8.3 ifG1437 she should not findG3361 G2147 favorG5484 beforeG1726 him,G1473 forG3754 he findsG2147 inG1722 herG1473 an indecentG809 thing,G4229 thenG2532 he shall writeG1125 to herG1473 [2scrollG975 1a certificate of divorce],G647 andG2532 he shall put itG1325 intoG1519 G3588 her hands,G5495 G1473 andG2532 he shall sendG1821 herG1473 from out ofG1537 G3588 his house.G3614 G1473 

 

1Co_12:23  andG2532 the ones whichG3739 seemG1380 to be exceedingly without honorG820 G1510.1 of theG3588 body,G4983 theseG3778 [3honorG5092 2more extraG4053 1we invest];G4060 andG2532 G3588 [2indecent parts G809 1ourG1473 5decencyG2157 4more extraG4053 3have];G2192 

 

>>>>>>>> 

1Ti_2:

 

 

Shame and Perception

 

WS: “G143 αἰσθάνομαι to perceive. To perceive, primarily with the external senses.”

 

Strong:

 

G144 αἴσθησις aisthēsis ah'ee-sthay-sis

From G143; perception, that is, (figuratively) discernment: - judgment.

 

G145 αἰσθητήριον aisthētērion ahee-sthay-tay'-ree-on

From a derivative of G143; properly an organ of perception, that is, (figuratively) judgment: - senses.

 

G149 αἰσχρόν aischron ahee-skhron'

Neuter of G150; a shameful thing, that is, indecorum: - shame.

 

There is a similar sound (αἰσ…ρ-) which can indicate a similar idea.

 

 

Covering Shame = Sexual

Other dates; 10/12/18; 12/12/21

 

When you are talking about Shame in a gender context, you are talking about the need for modesty.

 

 

Deu_23:13 WEB  and you shall have a paddle among your weapons; and it shall be, when you sit down abroad, you shall dig therewith, and shall turn back and cover that which comes from you:

Deu_23:13 LB  and you shall have an implement among your equipment; and it shall come to pass that when you relieve yourself outside the camp, that you shall dig with it, and you shall cover your refuse [καλύψεις τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην σου].

Deu_23:13  (23:14) καὶ πάσσαλος ἔσται σοι ἐπὶ τῆς ζώνης σου, καὶ ἔσται ὅταν διακαθιζάνῃς ἔξω, καὶ ὀρύξεις ἐν αὐτῷ καὶ ἐπαγαγὼν καλύψεις τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην σου ἐν αὐτῷ·

 

This is a vertical covering, and there is a horizontal covering in 1Co_11.

 

 

Deu_23:14 WEB  for Yahweh your God walks in the midst of your camp, to deliver you, and to give up your enemies before you; therefore your camp shall be holy, that he may not see an unclean thing in you, and turn away from you.

Deu_23:14 LB  Because the Lord your God walks in your camp to deliver you, and to give up your enemy from before your face; and your camp shall be holy, and there shall not ·appear in you a disgraceful thing [ὀφθήσεται ἐν σοὶ ἀσχημοσύνη πράγματος], so that He should turn away [ἀποστρέψει] from you.

Deu_23:14  (23:15) ὅτι κύριος ὁ θεός σου ἐμπεριπατεῖ ἐν τῇ παρεμβολῇ σου ἐξελέσθαι σε καὶ παραδοῦναι τὸν ἐχθρόν σου πρὸ προσώπου σου, καὶ ἔσται ἡ παρεμβολή σου ἁγία, καὶ οὐκ ὀφθήσεται ἐν σοὶ ἀσχημοσύνη πράγματος καὶ ἀποστρέψει ἀπὸ σοῦ.

>> BDC | DRRR

 

http://www.coxtracts.com/family/fam17-submission-and-head-coverings/

 

Shame of Seeing People Uncovered -- Without Clothing

~2010?; …12/5/21

 

Gen_2:25 CAB  (3:1) And the two were naked [γυμνοί], *both Adam [Heb.: man] and *[ ὅ – that of] his wife [lit. woman] [ὅ τε Αδαμ καὶ ἡ γυνὴ αὐτοῦ], and were not ashamed [ᾐσχύνοντο]

 

[note: Mr. Strong thinks γυνή (G1135) is “Probably from the base of G1096” – γίνομαι (i.e. “to cause to be (“gen” -erate)”), which is very realistic (and maybe very likely), but I wonder if it is also somehow related (maybe as a parent or grandparent) to γυμνός (G1131) – naked (Which Strong says is “Of uncertain affinity” to him.)]

 

1Sa_20:30 CAB  And Saul was exceedingly angry with Jonathan, and said to him, You son of a traitorous woman [κορασίων]! For do I not know that you are an accomplice with the son of Jesse to yourself, and to the shame of your mother's nakedness?

1Sa_20:30 CT-LXX  Upon this Saul was greatly enraged at Jonathan, and said to him, Thou son of the perverse and rebellious! For do I not know that thou art an accomplice of the son of Jessai, to thy own shame [αἰσχύνην], and the confusion [εἰς αἰσχύνην ἀποκαλύψεως – into the shame of unhiding/from hidden-ness] of thy mother?

1Sa_20:30 Greek  καὶ ἐθυμώθη ὀργῇ Σαουλ ἐπὶ Ιωναθαν σφόδρα καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ Υἱὲ κορασίων αὐτομολούντων, οὐ γὰρ οἶδα ὅτι μέτοχος εἶ σὺ τῷ υἱῷ Ιεσσαι εἰς αἰσχύνην σου καὶ εἰς αἰσχύνην ἀποκαλύψεως μητρός σου;

 

Isa_20:4 CAB  for thus shall the king of the Assyrians lead the captivity of Egypt and the Ethiopians, young men and old, naked [γυμνοὺς] and barefoot [ἀνυποδέτους], *having the shame [αἰσχύνην] of Egypt exposed [ἀνακεκαλυμμένους] [* ἀνακεκαλυμμένους τὴν αἰσχύνην Αἰγύπτου].

 

Eze_23:29 CAB  And they shall deal with you in hatred, and shall take all the fruits of your labors and your toils, and you shall be naked [γυμνὴ] and bare [ἀσχημονοῦσα – shammed]; and the *shame [αἰσχύνη] of your fornication shall be exposed [ἀποκαλυφθήσεται – from hide-ing clothing] – [* ἀποκαλυφθήσεται αἰσχύνη πορνείας]. And your ungodliness and your fornication

 

Rev_3:18 CAB  I counsel you to buy from Me gold having been tried by fire, so that you may become rich; and white robes [ἱμάτια λευκὰ], *so that you may be clothed [* ἵνα περιβάλῃ – lit. to throw around you], and *the shame of your nakedness [* ἡ αἰσχύνη τῆς γυμνότητός σου] may not appear [φανερωθῇ]; and eye salve [κολλούριον], so that you may anoint your eyes, in order that you may see [βλέπῃ].

 

Rev_3:18 Greek  συμβουλεύω σοι ἀγοράσαι παρ᾿ ἐμοῦ χρυσίον πεπυρωμένον ἐκ πυρὸς ἵνα πλουτήσῃς, καὶ ἱμάτια λευκὰ ἵνα περιβάλῃ καὶ μὴ φανερωθῇ ἡ αἰσχύνη τῆς γυμνότητός σου, καὶ κολλούριον ἔγχρισον τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς σου ἵνα βλέπῃς.

 

Are believers supposed to be clothed in gold now?

Is this future hope of glorious clothing showing off glory, or hiding it?

 

>> Then you will appear with him in Glory

 

Rev_16:15 CAB  Behold, I am coming like a thief [κλέπτης]. Blessed is he who watches [γρηγορῶν], and guards his garments [τηρῶν τὰ ἱμάτια αὐτοῦ], lest he should walk naked [ἵνα μὴ γυμνὸς περιπατῇ] and they should see his shame [βλέπωσι τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην αὐτοῦ]."

 

Rev_16:15 Greek  ᾿Ιδοὺ ἔρχομαι ὡς κλέπτης· μακάριος ὁ γρηγορῶν καὶ τηρῶν τὰ ἱμάτια αὐτοῦ, ἵνα μὴ γυμνὸς περιπατῇ καὶ βλέπωσι τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην αὐτοῦ.

 

Is the head covering for God’s sake?

 

>> all things are naked and bare before Him

>> we all with uncovered face

>> this is like the future hope, where “there is neither male nor female” with God!

 

Rev_19:8 CAB  And to her it was granted that she should be dressed in fine linen, bright and pure, for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.

 

The Shame of “Messed up Hair”

12/5/21

 

The same Greek terminology used in 1Co_11:4 is also used in the same context in a particular Greek fable:

 

Lit. “shaming down” the hair/mane of a lion

(as also noted in VGNT -- The Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament on G2617)

 

(A) English

“THE LION AND THE MOUSE ON HIS MANE

 

While a lion was sleeping, a mouse ran over his shaggy mane. This angered the lion and he leaped up from his den, all the hairs of his mane standing on end. A fox made fun of the fact that a lion, king of all the animals, had been startled by a mouse. The lion answered the fox, 'You insolent creature! I was not afraid of the mouse scratching me and running away; I was just worried that he might make a mess on my mane.'”

Source: Aesop's Fables. A new translation by Laura Gibbs. Oxford University Press (World's Classics): Oxford, 2002.

http://www.mythfolklore.net/aesopica/perry/146.htm

12/5/21

 

(B) Greek

Κοιμωμένου λέοντος ἀγρίης χαίτης

διέδραμεν μῦς· ὁ δὲ λέων ἐθυμώθη,

φρίξας δὲ χαίτην ἔθορε φωλάδος κοίτης.

κερδὼ δ' ἐπεχλεύαζεν, ὡς ἐκινήθη

πρὸς μῦν ὁ πάντων θηρίων δυναστεύων.

ὁ δ' "οὐχὶ τὸν μῦν" εἶπεν "ὦ παλαμναίη,

δέδοικα, μή μου τὴν δορὴν κνίσῃ φεύγων·

χαίτην δ' ἔμελλε τὴν ἐμὴν καταισχύνειν." [“= καταχέζειν, Χαίτην Babr. 82.8.” (LSJ)]

[Ἀρχόμενον ἄρτι τὸ θρασὺ τῶν ὑβριζόντων,

κἂν μικρὸν ᾖ, κώλυε, μηδὲ συγχώρει

εὐκαταφρόνητον σαυτὸν εἶναι τοῖς φαύλοις.

http://www.mythfolklore.net/aesopica/babrius/82.htm

12/5/21

 

See also:

http://users.uoa.gr/~nektar/history/tributes/aesop%27s_fables/babrius.htm

 

 

Extra-Biblical info on “Shaming Down” People

 

“πολὺ γὰρ οὕτω δικαιότερον ἢ ὑπὸ τῶν νόμων τοὺς πολίτας ἐνεδρεύεσθαι, οἳ κελεύουσι μέν, ἐάν τις μοιχὸν λάβῃ, ὅ τι ἂν οὖν βούληται χρῆσθαι, οἱ δ᾽ ἀγῶνες δεινότεροι τοῖς ἀδικουμένοις καθεστήκασιν ἢ τοῖς παρὰ τοὺς νόμους τὰς ἀλλοτρίας καταισχύνουσι γυναῖκας.”

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:abo:tlg,0540,001:49&lang=original

Accessed 5/2/13

 

Ezekiel -- Removing the Head Covering [and clothes in general] Linked with “Shame”

Eze_16:36-37 (possibly see some of the following verses too)

 

Leviticus 18 & 20

 

Lev_18:6 CAB  No man shall draw near to any of his near kindred *to uncover their nakedness [* ἀποκαλύψαι ἀσχημοσύνην – lit. bring out from hidden-ness that which does not have a (socially presentable) schema/ form/ shape; fig. that which is inappropriate to show in public ]; I am the Lord.

 

What Does it Mean For a Woman to uncover the Head?

 

This ‘uncover’ word [ἀποκαλύψαι] is the same word used in 1Co_11: for a woman uncovering her head.

 

When you uncover a woman’s head, you are uncovering part of her sexuality.

 

Lev_20:11 Brenton  And if any one should lie with his father's wife, *he has uncovered his father's nakedness [lit. shame] [* ἀσχημοσύνην τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ ἀπεκάλυψεν]: let them both die the death, they are guilty.

 

Lev_20:11 Greek  ἐάν τις κοιμηθῇ μετὰ γυναικὸς τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ, ἀσχημοσύνην τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ ἀπεκάλυψεν, θανάτῳ θανατούσθωσαν ἀμφότεροι, ἔνοχοί εἰσιν.

 

Lev_20:17 Brenton  Whosoever shall take his sister by his father or by his mother, and shall see her nakedness [ἴδῃ τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην αὐτῆς], and she see his nakedness [αὕτη ἴδῃ τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην αὐτοῦ], it is a reproach: they shall be destroyed before the children of their family; he has uncovered his sister's nakedness [ἀσχημοσύνην ἀδελφῆς αὐτοῦ ἀπεκάλυψεν], they shall bear their sin.

 

Lev_20:17 Greek  ὃς ἐὰν λάβῃ τὴν ἀδελφὴν αὐτοῦ ἐκ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ ἢ ἐκ μητρὸς αὐτοῦ καὶ ἴδῃ τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην αὐτῆς καὶ αὕτη ἴδῃ τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην αὐτοῦ, ὄνειδός ἐστιν, ἐξολεθρευθήσονται ἐνώπιον υἱῶν γένους αὐτῶν· ἀσχημοσύνην ἀδελφῆς αὐτοῦ ἀπεκάλυψεν, ἁμαρτίαν κομιοῦνται.

 

Lev_20:18 Brenton  And whatever [ὃς ἂν] man shall lie with [κοιμηθῇ μετὰ] a woman *that is set [sitting] apart [* ἀποκαθημένης – lit. (who is) sitting herself (away) from… – a woman who has sat down away from the community… (i.e.  during her monthly period)] for a flux [Brenton added this in English], and shall uncover her nakedness [ἀποκαλύψῃ τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην αὐτῆς], he has uncovered her fountain [τὴν πηγὴν αὐτῆς ἀπεκάλυψεν], and she has uncovered the flux [ῥύσιν – flow] of her blood [αὕτη ἀπεκάλυψεν τὴν ῥύσιν τοῦ αἵματος αὐτῆς (ῥύσιν (G4511), is basically from ῥέω (G4482) – think: Rio Grande (big river) in Spanish; in Greek: to flow)]: they shall both be destroyed from among their generation.

 

Lev_20:18 Greek  καὶ ἀνήρ, ὃς ἂν κοιμηθῇ μετὰ γυναικὸς ἀποκαθημένης καὶ ἀποκαλύψῃ τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην αὐτῆς, τὴν πηγὴν αὐτῆς ἀπεκάλυψεν, καὶ αὕτη ἀπεκάλυψεν τὴν ῥύσιν τοῦ αἵματος αὐτῆς· ἐξολεθρευθήσονται ἀμφότεροι ἐκ τοῦ γένους αὐτῶν.

 

Lev_20:19 Brenton  And thou shalt not uncover [ἀποκαλύψεις] the nakedness [ἀσχημοσύνην] of thy father's sister, or of the sister of thy mother; for that man has uncovered [ἀπεκάλυψεν] *the nakedness [* not in Rahlfs] of one near akin [οἰκειότητα – i.e. one of their house hold]: they shall bear their iniquity.

 

Lev_20:19 Greek  καὶ ἀσχημοσύνην ἀδελφῆς πατρός σου καὶ ἀδελφῆς μητρός σου οὐκ ἀποκαλύψεις· τὴν γὰρ οἰκειότητα ἀπεκάλυψεν, ἁμαρτίαν ἀποίσονται.

 

Lev_20:20 Brenton  Whosoever shall lie with [κοιμηθῇ μετὰ] his *near kinswoman [* συγγενοῦς – i.e. together generated/begotten one], has uncovered [ἀπεκάλυψεν] the nakedness [ἀσχημοσύνην] of one near akin [συγγενείας] to him: they shall die childless.

 

Lev_20:20 Greek  ὃς ἂν κοιμηθῇ μετὰ τῆς συγγενοῦς αὐτοῦ, ἀσχημοσύνην τῆς συγγενείας αὐτοῦ ἀπεκάλυψεν· ἄτεκνοι ἀποθανοῦνται.

 

Lev_20:21 Brenton  Whoever shall take his brother's wife [λάβῃ τὴν γυναῖκα τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ αὐτοῦ], it is uncleanness [ἀκαθαρσία]; he has uncovered [ἀπεκάλυψεν] his brother's nakedness [ἀσχημοσύνην]; they shall die childless.

 

Lev_20:21 Greek  ὃς ἂν λάβῃ τὴν γυναῖκα τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ αὐτοῦ, ἀκαθαρσία ἐστίν· ἀσχημοσύνην τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ αὐτοῦ ἀπεκάλυψεν, ἄτεκνοι ἀποθανοῦνται.

 

 

Sirach -- Unhiding Secrets

Directly suggests: Covering Directly Brings Hidden-ness

Other date(s) (2010?); 12/12/21

 

Sir_4:18 Brenton  Then will she return the straight way unto him, and comfort him, and shew [ἀποκαλύψει] him her secrets [κρυπτὰ αὐτῆς].

Sir_4:18  καὶ πάλιν ἐπανήξει κατ᾿ εὐθεῖαν πρὸς αὐτὸν καὶ εὐφρανεῖ αὐτὸν καὶ ἀποκαλύψει αὐτῷ τὰ κρυπτὰ αὐτῆς.

 

 

Authorities and The Range of Their Potential Jurisdictions Over Modesty, Facial Modesty & Headcoverings

12/22/16

 

How does the head covering and face veil relates to identification by authorities?

 

Numbers 5 – A Priest Uncovers a Man’s Wife’s Head

 

Num_5:15 WEB  then the man shall bring his wife to the priest, and shall bring her offering for her: the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal. He shall pour no oil on it, nor put frankincense on it, for it is a meal offering of jealousy, a meal offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to memory.

Num_5:15 CAB  then shall the man bring his wife to the priest, and shall bring his gift for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal. He shall not pour oil upon it, neither shall he put frankincense upon it; for it is a sacrifice of jealousy, a sacrifice of memorial, recalling sin to remembrance.

Num_5:15  καὶ ἄξει ὁ ἄνθρωπος τὴν γυναῖκα αὐτοῦ πρὸς τὸν ἱερέα καὶ προσοίσει τὸ δῶρον περὶ αὐτῆς τὸ δέκατον τοῦ οιφι ἄλευρον κρίθινον, οὐκ ἐπιχεεῖ ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸ ἔλαιον οὐδὲ ἐπιθήσει ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸ λίβανον, ἔστιν γὰρ θυσία ζηλοτυπίας, θυσία μνημοσύνου ἀναμιμνήσκουσα ἁμαρτίαν.

Num_5:16 The priest shall bring her near, and set her before Yahweh;

Num_5:16 And the priest shall bring her, and cause her to stand before the Lord.

Num_5:16  καὶ προσάξει αὐτὴν ὁ ἱερεὺς καὶ στήσει αὐτὴν ἔναντι κυρίου,

 

Num_5:18 WEB  The priest shall set the woman before Yahweh, ·and let the hair of the woman's head go loose [ראש ופרע], and put the meal offering of memorial in her hands, which is the meal offering of jealousy. The priest shall have in his hand the water of bitterness that brings a curse.

Num_5:18 CAB  And the priest shall cause the woman to stand before the Lord, and shall uncover [ἀποκαλύψει] the head of the woman, and shall put into her hands the sacrifice of memorial, the sacrifice of jealousy; and in the hand of the priest shall be the water of this conviction that brings the curse.

Num_5:18  καὶ στήσει ὁ ἱερεὺς τὴν γυναῖκα ἔναντι κυρίου καὶ ἀποκαλύψει τὴν κεφαλὴν τῆς γυναικὸς καὶ δώσει ἐπὶ τὰς χεῖρας αὐτῆς τὴν θυσίαν τοῦ μνημοσύνου, τὴν θυσίαν τῆς ζηλοτυπίας, ἐν δὲ τῇ χειρὶ τοῦ ἱερέως ἔσται τὸ ὕδωρ τοῦ ἐλεγμοῦ τοῦ ἐπικαταρωμένου τούτου.

 

Exo_5:4  And the kingH4428 of EgyptH4714 saidH559 untoH413 them, WhereforeH4100 do ye, MosesH4872 and Aaron,H175 letH6544 (H853) the peopleH5971 from their works?H4480 H4639 getH1980 you unto your burdens.H5450 

Exo_32:25  And when MosesH4872 sawH7200 thatH3588 (H853) the peopleH5971 were naked;H6544 (forH3588 AaronH175 had made them nakedH6544 unto their shameH8103 among their enemies:)H6965 

Lev_10:6  And MosesH4872 saidH559 untoH413 Aaron,H175 and unto EleazarH499 and unto Ithamar,H385 his sons,H1121 UncoverH6544 notH408 your heads,H7218 neitherH3808 rendH6533 your clothes;H899 lestH3808 ye die,H4191 and lest wrath comeH7107 uponH5921 allH3605 the people:H5712 but let your brethren,H251 the wholeH3605 houseH1004 of Israel,H3478 bewailH1058 (H853) the burningH8316 whichH834 the LORDH3068 hath kindled.H8313 

Lev_13:45  And the leperH6879 in whomH834 the plagueH5061 is, his clothesH899 shall beH1961 rent,H6533 and his headH7218 bare,H6544 and he shall put a coveringH5844 uponH5921 his upper lip,H8222 and shall cry,H7121 Unclean,H2931 unclean.H2931 

Lev_21:10  And he that is the highH1419 priestH3548 among his brethren,H4480 H251 uponH5921 whoseH834 headH7218 the anointingH4888 oilH8081 was poured,H3332 and that is consecratedH4390 (H853) H3027 to put onH3847 (H853) the garments,H899 shall notH3808 uncoverH6544 (H853) his head,H7218 norH3808 rendH6533 his clothes;H899 

Num_5:18  And the priestH3548 shall setH5975 (H853) the womanH802 beforeH6440 the LORD,H3068 and uncoverH6544 (H853) the woman'sH802 head,H7218 and putH5414 (H853) the offeringH4503 of memorialH2146 inH5921 her hands,H3709 whichH1931 is the jealousyH7068 offering:H4503 and the priestH3548 shall haveH1961 in his handH3027 the bitterH4751 waterH4325 that causeth the curse:H779 

Num_6:5  AllH3605 the daysH3117 of the vowH5088 of his separationH5145 there shall noH3808 razorH8593 comeH5674 uponH5921 his head:H7218 untilH5704 the daysH3117 be fulfilled,H4390 in the whichH834 he separatethH5144 himself unto the LORD,H3068 he shall beH1961 holy,H6918 and shall let the locksH6545 of the hairH8181 of his headH7218 grow.H1431 

Jdg_5:2  PraiseH1288 ye the LORDH3068 for the avengingH6544 H6546 of Israel,H3478 when the peopleH5971 willingly offered themselves.H5068 

2Ch_28:19  ForH3588 the LORDH3068 broughtH3665 (H853) JudahH3063 low because ofH5668 AhazH271 kingH4428 of Israel;H3478 forH3588 he made Judah naked,H6544 H3063 [not in LXX] and transgressedH4603 soreH4604 against the LORD.H3068 

Pro_1:25  But ye have set at noughtH6544 allH3605 my counsel,H6098 and wouldH14 noneH3808 of my reproof:H8433 

Pro_4:15  AvoidH6544 it, passH5674 notH408 by it, turnH7847 fromH4480 H5921 it, and pass away.H5674 

Pro_8:33  HearH8085 instruction,H4148 and be wise,H2449 and refuseH6544 it not.H408 

Pro_13:18  PovertyH7389 and shameH7036 shall be to him that refusethH6544 instruction:H4148 but he that regardethH8104 reproofH8433 shall be honoured.H3513 

Pro_15:32  He that refusethH6544 instructionH4148 despisethH3988 his own soul:H5315 but he that hearethH8085 reproofH8433 gettethH7069 understanding.H3820 

Pro_29:18  Where there is noH369 vision,H2377 the peopleH5971 perish:H6544 but he that keepethH8104 the law,H8451 happyH835 is he.

Eze_24:14  IH589 the LORDH3068 have spokenH1696 it: it shall come to pass,H935 and I will doH6213 it; I will notH3808 go back,H6544 neitherH3808 will I spare,H2347 neitherH3808 will I repent;H5162 according to thy ways,H1870 and according to thy doings,H5949 shall they judgeH8199 thee, saithH5002 the LordH136 GOD.H3069 

Eze_44:20  NeitherH3808 shall they shaveH1548 their heads,H7218 norH3808 suffer their locksH6545 to grow long;H7971 they shall only pollH3697 H3697 (H853) their heads.H7218 

 

>> got to draw out how “long hair” is a way of saying “nakedness” in Hebrew…

 

History of Susana

See: Dan_13:31

See: NETS: 989

 

Son_5:7 – They Took Away My Veil

 

Son_5:7 WEB  The watchmen who go about the city found me. They beat me. They bruised me. The keepers of the walls took my cloak [H853  רדידי – Strong’s: veil] away from me.

Son_5:7 CAB  The watchman that make their rounds in the city found me, they struck me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me.

Son_5:7  εὕροσάν με οἱ φύλακες οἱ κυκλοῦντες ἐν τῇ πόλει, ἐπάταξάν με, ἐτραυμάτισάν με, ἦραν τὸ θέριστρόν μου ἀπ᾿ ἐμοῦ φύλακες τῶν τειχέων.

 

K&D: “This upper robe, not the veil which at Son_4:1, Son_4:3 we found was called tsammā, is called רְדִיד. Aben Ezra compares with it the Arab. ridâ, a plaid-like over-garment, which was thrown over the shoulders and veiled the upper parts of the body. But the words have not the same derivation. The ridâ has its name from its reaching downward, - probably from the circumstance that, originally, it hung down to the feet, so that one could tread on it; but the (Heb.) redid (in Syr. the dalmatica of the deacons), from רְדַד, Hiph., 1Ki_6:32, Targ., Talm., Syr., רְדַד, to make broad and thin, as expansum, i.e., a thin and light upper robe, viz., over the cuttoněth, 3a. The lxx suitably translates it here and at Gen_24:65 (hatstsaiph, from tsa'aph, to lay together, to fold, to make double or many-fold) by θέριστρον, a summer overdress.”

 

Pulpit:

“The redhidh, like ridha in Arabic, is a plaid-like upper garment thrown over the shoulders so says Aben Ezra; but it is derived, no doubt, from the root "to make broad or thin," to spread out perhaps, therefore, "a thin, light upper robe" which was worn over the chiton, a summer overdress, a cloak (LXX, yeristron : Jerome, pallium; Luther, Schleier )”

 

Clark: “Took away my veil - They tore it off rudely, to discover who she was. See on Son_5:2 (note)*. To tear the veil signifies, in Eastern phrase, to deflower or dishonor a woman.”

 

* “And her being in so much disorder and dishabille might have induced them to treat her as a suspiciovs person, or one of questionable character.”

 

Gill: “they smote me, they wounded me; taking her for a night walker”

 

the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me; there were two sorts of watchmen in a city, one that went about to see that all was right and safe within; and others placed on the walls of it, who kept their stand, and whose business it was to give notice of an enemy approaching, and to defend the city from outward attacks upon it; and such are the ministers of the word, Isa_62:6; but here false teachers are meant as before, as appears from their abuse of the church, taking away her veil from her, such as women wore for ornament, or as a sign of modesty or as a token of subjection to their husbands, Isa_3:23, Gen_24:65; and may here design either their falsely accusing her good conduct, which was her outward covering; or their attempt to take away from her the doctrine of Christ's imputed righteousness, which is her covering, the wedding garment, the nuptial robe, as Gregory Nyssene (m) calls the veil here: and such a veil was given by the bridegroom with the Romans, and was called "flammeum", from its being of a flame colour (n), either yellow or red, expressive of the blushing modesty of the newly married bride (o); and the like custom might obtain with the Jews.”

 

Companion Bible Notes: “took away my veil. This was gross insult to an Eastern woman.”

 

JFB: “taking away her veil (the greatest indignity to an Eastern lady), as though she were positively immodest.”

 

Pool: “Took away my veil;  which was an ornament of her sex, Isa_3:23, and a badge of her modesty, Gen_24:65, or an ensign of her relation and subjection to Christ, Gen_20:16 1Co_11:5. And so the taking of this veil away signifies their contemptuous and injurious usage of her, their endeavours to blast her reputation, and to represent and treat her as a common and impudent prostitute, and as one that had no relation to Christ. ”

 

>> Joseph Took Marry to be registered with him…

 

Guards Took Off Jesus’ Clothes

12/23/16;

 

Wiki*: “Jesus had predicted that he would be mocked (Mat_20:18-19, Mar_10:34, and Luk_18:32)”

 

Mat_27:26-31

Mat_27:35

Mar_15:20

Mar_15:24

Joh_19:23

 

Wiki*: “clothed him with a "purple" (Mar_15:17) or "scarlet" (Matt_27:28) robe”

Joh_19:23

 

 

 

* Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mocking_of_Jesus

 

Male and Female Differences

12/23/16

 

A poor male: you are allowed to take away his himation temporarily

A Widow: you are not allowed to take away her garment at all

 

Examples When Devaluing is Not Involved, and therefore, Voluntary Stripping might Happen

12/23/16

 

Changing diapers?

Circumcision

 

 

 

Women Driving

12/23/16

 

2Ki_4:22 WEB  She called to her husband, and said, Please send me one of the servants, and one of the donkeys, that I may run to the man of God, and come again.

2Ki_4:22 CAB  And she called her husband, and said, Send now for me one of the young men, and one of the donkeys, and I will ride quickly to the man of God, and return.

2Ki_4:22  καὶ ἐκάλεσεν τὸν ἄνδρα αὐτῆς καὶ εἶπεν Ἀπόστειλον δή μοι ἓν τῶν παιδαρίων καὶ μίαν τῶν ὄνων, καὶ δραμοῦμαι ἕως τοῦ ἀνθρώπου τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ ἐπιστρέψω.

2Ki_4:23 He said, Why would you want go to him today? it is neither new moon nor Sabbath. She said, It shall be well.

2Ki_4:23 And he said, Why are you going to him today? It is neither new moon, nor the Sabbath. And she said, It is well.

2Ki_4:23  καὶ εἶπεν Τί ὅτι σὺ πορεύῃ πρὸς αὐτὸν σήμερον; οὐ νεομηνία οὐδὲ σάββατον. ἡ δὲ εἶπεν Εἰρήνη.

2Ki_4:24 Then she saddled a donkey, and said to her servant, Drive, and go forward; don't slacken me the riding, unless I ask you to.

2Ki_4:24 And she saddled the donkey, and said to her servant, Be quick, proceed: spare not on my account to ride, unless I shall tell you. Go, and you shall proceed, and come to the man of God, to Mount Carmel.

2Ki_4:24  καὶ ἐπέσαξεν τὴν ὄνον καὶ εἶπεν πρὸς τὸ παιδάριον αὐτῆς Ἄγε πορεύου, μὴ ἐπίσχῃς μοι τοῦ ἐπιβῆναι, ὅτι ἐὰν εἴπω σοι·

 

1Sa_25:18 WEB  Then Abigail made haste, and took two hundred loaves, and two bottles of wine, and five sheep ready dressed, and five measures of parched grain, and one hundred clusters of raisins, and two hundred cakes of figs, and laid them on donkeys.

1Sa_25:18 CAB  And Abigail made haste, and took two hundred loaves, and two vessels of wine, and five sheep readily dressed, and five ephahs of fine flour, and one homer of dried grapes, and two hundred cakes of figs, and put them upon donkeys.

1Sa_25:18  καὶ ἔσπευσεν Αβιγαια καὶ ἔλαβεν διακοσίους ἄρτους καὶ δύο ἀγγεῖα οἴνου καὶ πέντε πρόβατα πεποιημένα καὶ πέντε οιφι ἀλφίτου καὶ γομορ ἓν σταφίδος καὶ διακοσίας παλάθας καὶ ἔθετο ἐπὶ τοὺς ὄνους

1Sa_25:19 She said to her young men, Go on before me; behold, I come after you. But she didn't tell her husband, Nabal.

1Sa_25:19 And she said to her servants, Go on before me, and behold I come after you. But she told not her husband.

1Sa_25:19  καὶ εἶπεν τοῖς παιδαρίοις αὐτῆς Προπορεύεσθε ἔμπροσθέν μου, καὶ ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ὀπίσω ὑμῶν παραγίνομαι. καὶ τῷ ἀνδρὶ αὐτῆς οὐκ ἀπήγγειλεν.

1Sa_25:20 It was so, as she rode on her donkey, and came down by the covert of the mountain, that behold, David and his men came down toward her; and she met them.

1Sa_25:20 And it came to pass when she had mounted her donkey and was going down by the covert of the mountain, that behold, David and his men came down to meet her, and she met them.

1Sa_25:20  καὶ ἐγενήθη αὐτῆς ἐπιβεβηκυίης ἐπὶ τὴν ὄνον καὶ καταβαινούσης ἐν σκέπῃ τοῦ ὄρους καὶ ἰδοὺ Δαυιδ καὶ οἱ ἄνδρες αὐτοῦ κατέβαινον εἰς συνάντησιν αὐτῆς, καὶ ἀπήντησεν αὐτοῖς.

>> Following the servants

 

Camels

Rebecca

>> Following the servant

 

Rachel

Gen_31:34 WEB  Now Rachel had taken the teraphim, put them in the camel's saddle, and sat on them. Laban felt about all the tent, but didn't find them.

Gen_31:34 CAB  And Rachel took the idols, and cast them among the camel's packs, and sat upon them.

Gen_31:34  Ραχηλ δὲ ἔλαβεν τὰ εἴδωλα καὶ ἐνέβαλεν αὐτὰ εἰς τὰ σάγματα τῆς καμήλου καὶ ἐπεκάθισεν αὐτοῖς

>> Following the clan

 

 

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Muslims know how to obey 1Co_11, but "christians" only know how to make excuses to disobey it.

7/30/13

 

Is the covering about approaching God, or is it about modesty?

- we all with open face...

- neither male nor female...

- to God all thing are naked and bear

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The Body Covered

Covering The Whole Body

From Head to Toe, Starting with the Toe

 

 

 

The Need For a Himation!

There are so many countless references for this, and as I may find them I am looking forward to adding them here…

 

Exo_22:25-27 CAB  And if you should lend money to your poor brother who is among you, you shall not be hard upon him — you shall not charge interest from him.  26  And if you take your neighbor's garment [ἱμάτιον] for a pledge, you shall restore it to him before sunset.  27  For this is his clothing [περιβόλαιον – this is the thing he throws around him], this is the only *covering of his nakedness [* ἱμάτιον ἀσχημοσύνης – “nakedness” is fig.; himation (‘cloak’) to properly “arrange” over the frame of his body so as not to display its shame – it is counted as a “disarrangement” (ἀσχημοσύνης) to show the frame of the body when laying down in public (since he has no house or private room to sleep in)]; how shall he sleep? If then he shall cry to Me, I will hearken to him, for I am merciful.

 

A Woman’s “Shape” is Still An Issue?

Sir_9:8 Brenton  Turn away [ἀπόστρεψον] thine eye from a beautiful [εὐμόρφου – good-morphed/good-shaped] woman, and *look not upon [* μὴ καταμάνθανεdo not (thoroughly) learn down; i.e. study the qualities of…] another's beauty [κάλλος ἀλλότριον – i.e. goodness/good looks/beauty that belongs to someone else]; for many have been deceived [ἐπλανήθησαν] by the beauty of a woman [κάλλει γυναικὸς]; for herewith [καὶ ἐκ τούτου – and out of this] *[warm affectionate] love [φιλία] is kindled as a fire [* φιλία ὡς πῦρ ἀνακαίεται].

Sir_9:8 Greek  ἀπόστρεψον ὀφθαλμὸν ἀπὸ γυναικὸς εὐμόρφου καὶ μὴ καταμάνθανε κάλλος ἀλλότριον· ἐν κάλλει γυναικὸς πολλοὶ ἐπλανήθησαν, καὶ ἐκ τούτου φιλία ὡς πῦρ ἀνακαίεται.

 

Is this a woman in Biblical dress code?  Or is this an immoral woman showing off more than she should, making her shape an issue?

 

The purpose of feminine modesty makes it to where men do not have to lust.

Consider: If a woman is avoiding than prostitution of her own body, men will not always have to quickly look away to avoid defiling her sexuality.  If a man hast a dart his eyes away from a woman as she walks along, she is prosecuting and cheapening herself.  A man only “has to” look away when a woman shows her fornication in his face.

 

Lingering Questions

Because of these general principles, I wonder what kind of a scene this passage has in mind.  Is she so WELL SHAPED that absolute modesty still makes her an issue?  Can she ever going public then, if her sexuality is exposed even under sufficient clothing?

Another possibility: is this talking exclusively about the body, or could this possibly be talking about the face and or eyes?  Could this be why Brenton represents this as “beautiful”?

 

In seeking to answer some of these questions, I found/looked up a two related references.

 

Wis_7:10 Brenton  I loved her above health and beauty, and chose to have her instead of light: for the light that cometh from her never goeth out.

Wis_7:10 Greek  ὑπὲρ ὑγίειαν καὶ εὐμορφίαν ἠγάπησα αὐτὴν καὶ προειλόμην αὐτὴν ἀντὶ φωτὸς ἔχειν, ὅτι ἀκοίμητον τὸ ἐκ ταύτης φέγγος.

 

But the most helpful Greek passage was probably from fourth Maccabees…

 

4Ma_8:2-4 Brenton  The tyrant [τυράννου] having given this charge [διαταξαμένου], seven brethren were brought into his presence, along with their aged mother, handsome [καλοί – good (looking) – SAME AS Sir_9:8; (Used for both men and women in Greek.)], and modest [αἰδήμονες – lit. those who are not perceived; i.e. having the character of avoiding perception], and well-born [γενναῖοι], and *altogether [favorably] comely [* παντὶ χαρίεντες].  3  Whom, when the tyrant beheld [ἰδὼν], encircling their mother as in a dance [καθάπερ ἐν χορῷ], he was pleased at them; and being struck with their becoming [εὐπρεπείας ἐκπλαγεὶς] and ingenuous mien [εὐγενείας προσεμειδίασεν], smiled upon them, and calling them near, said:  4  O youths [νεανίαι], with favourable feelings [φιλοφρόνως – warm, love-able-minded-ness -- SAME AS Sir_9:8], I admire [θαυμάζω – breath hot in astonishment (over)] the beauty [κάλλος – SAME AS Sir_9:8] of each of you; and *greatly honouring [* ὑπερτιμῶν] so numerous a band of brethren, I not only counsel you not to share the madness of the old man who has been tortured before,  5  but I do beg you [παρακαλῶ] to yield [συνείξαντάς], and to enjoy my friendship [ἀπολαύειν φιλίας -- SAME AS Sir_9:8]; for I possess the power, not only of punishing those who disobey my commands, but of doing good to those who obey them.

[note: Greek is out of sync, So that verse 2 is verse 3 in Greek, etc.]

4Ma_8:3-5 Greek  ταῦτα διαταξαμένου τοῦ τυράννου, παρῆσαν ἀγόμενοι μετὰ γεραιᾶς μητρὸς ἑπτὰ ἀδελφοὶ καλοί τε καὶ αἰδήμονες καὶ γενναῖοι καὶ ἐν παντὶ χαρίεντες.  4  οὓς ἰδὼν ὁ τύραννος καθάπερ ἐν χορῷ μέσην τὴν μητέρα περιέχοντας ἥσθετο ἐπ᾿  αὐτοῖς καὶ τῆς εὐπρεπείας ἐκπλαγεὶς καὶ τῆς εὐγενείας προσεμειδίασεν αὐτοῖς καὶ πλησίον καλέσας ἔφη  5  Ὦ νεανίαι, φιλοφρόνως ἐγὼ καθ᾿  ἑνὸς ἑκάστου ὑμῶν θαυμάζω, τὸ κάλλος καὶ τὸ πλῆθος τοσούτων ἀδελφῶν ὑπερτιμῶν οὐ μόνον συμβουλεύω μὴ μανῆναι τὴν αὐτὴν τῷ προβασανισθέντι γέροντι μανίαν, [5 in Brenton] ἀλλὰ καὶ παρακαλῶ συνείξαντάς μοι τῆς ἐμῆς ἀπολαύειν φιλίας·

 

4Ma_8:8-9 Brenton  For if you provoke me by your disobedience, you will compel me to destroy you, every one, with terrible punishments by tortures.  9  Have mercy, then, upon your own selves, whom I, although an enemy, compassionate for your age and comeliness [εὐμορφίας -- SAME AS Sir_9:8].

4Ma_8:9-10 Greek  ἐπεί, ἐὰν ὀργίλως με διάθησθε διὰ τῆς ἀπειθείας, ἀναγκάσετέ με ἐπὶ δειναῖς κολάσεσιν ἕνα ἕκαστον ὑμῶν διὰ τῶν βασάνων ἀπολέσαι.  10  κατελεήσατε οὖν ἑαυτούς, οὓς καὶ ὁ πολέμιος ἔγωγε καὶ τῆς ἡλικίας καὶ τῆς εὐμορφίας οἰκτίρομαι.

 

Since these men were modest and good shaped, this evidence implies that see Sirach did not specify an immodest woman. I tend to think from all of this that the body is included by implication, but the face is initially in view.

 

Bosom Cape Dress / Chiton

 

Luk_6:38 CAB  Give, and it shall be given to you: good measure, pressed down and shaken and running over they shall give into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it shall be measured back to you."

 

Luk_6:38 Greek  δίδοτε, καὶ δοθήσεται ὑμῖν· μέτρον καλὸν, πεπιεσμένον καὶ σεσαλευμένον καὶ ὑπερεκχυνόμενον δώσουσιν εἰς τὸν κόλπον ὑμῶν· τῷ γὰρ αὐτῷ μέτρῳ ᾧ μετρεῖτε, ἀντιμετρηθήσεται ὑμῖν.

 

 

 

“The bosom of an oriental garment, the loose cavity or hollow formed by the doubling of a robe, a fold for carrying things as a pocket (Luk_6:38; Sept.: Isa_65:6; Jer_39:18). A bay, creek (Act_27:39).”

(WS on G2859)

 

Bosom - Κολπον, or lap. Almost all ancient nations wore long, wide, and loose garments; and when about to carry any thing which their hands could not contain, they used a fold of their robe in nearly the same way as women here use their aprons. The phrase is continually occurring in the best and purest Greek writers. The following example from Herodotus, b. vi., may suffice to show the propriety of the interpretation given above, and to expose the ridiculous nature of covetousness. “When Croesus had promised to Alcmaeon as much gold as he could carry about his body at once, in order to improve the king’s liberality to the best advantage, he put on a very wide tunic, (κιθωνα μεγαν), leaving a great space in the Bosom, κολπον βαθυν, and drew on the largest buskins he could find. Being conducted to the treasury, he sat down on a great heap of gold, and first filled the buskins about his legs with as much gold as they could contain, and, having filled his whole Bosom, κολπον, loaded his hair with ingots, and put several pieces in his mouth, he walked out of the treasury, etc.” What a ridiculous figure must this poor sinner have cut, thus heavy laden with gold, and the love of money! See many other examples in Kypke and Raphelius. See also Psa_129:7; Pro_6:27; Pro_17:23.”

(Clark)

 

Greek Note: It seems like “κιθωνα” here is the phonetically the same (or in a similar etymological relation?) to “χιτῶνά” (as in Mat_5:40) -- κ and χ are sometimes interchanged, and similarly, θ and τ are interchanged in the Bible. These phonetically replace each other in various spelling variations and morph into each other in various grammatical constructions.

>> Note: In most contexts, this word is not “lap”. It is the same as John leaning on the Bosom of Jesus (i.e. which is not in his lap).

 

 

 

Exceptions

When some situations require it, there do seem to be exceptions in the dress code.

Same Gender Situations are the Main Exception, but Cross-Gender is Not Allowed (except for parents)

Sep 2010

 

Private Uncoveredness

~2018-2019?

 

more than once prophets were told to strip naked as a parable of the prophecy they were to speak - the implication is that they did this as a representation in private and then spoke of it in public as a parable...

 

 

 

Non-Co-ed Environments

The biggest principle is when men and women are not in the same place.

 

Privileged Family Members at The Crucifixion

When Jesus was crucified, many of the women were there, *standing at a distance* because of the social shame they poured on Him, but Jesus’ mother was able to come right up to the cross along with John so that Jesus was able to talk with her.

 

Mono-Gender Verification of the Resurrection

Joh_20:27

 

Fishing – Peter in Boat with John & Others

Temporary work:

 

Joh_21:2-8 CAB  Simon Peter, Thomas called the Twin, Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two others of His disciples were together.  3  Simon Peter said to them, "I am going fishing." They said to him, "We are coming with you also." They went out and immediately got into the boat, and that night they caught nothing.  4  But as daybreak had already come, Jesus stood upon the shore; however the disciples did not know that it was Jesus.  5  Then Jesus said to them, "Children, have you any food?" They answered Him, "No."  6  And He said to them, "Cast the net on the right side of the boat, and you will find some." Therefore they cast, and they were not able to haul it in because of the multitude of fish.  7  Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord!" Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put on his outer garment (for he had removed it), and he threw himself into the sea.  8  But the other disciples came in the little boat (for they were not far from the land, but about two hundred cubits), dragging the net with fish.

 

 

Pajamas?

After a Night time “Men’s Bible Study” with Jesus:

 

>> Note: I need to Add Song of Songs here

 

Mar_14:51-52 WEB  A certain young man followed him, having a linen cloth thrown around himself, over his naked body. The young men grabbed him,  52  but he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

 

Circumcision

Paul circumcising Timothy

Shechem

Abraham Circumcised Isaac

 

Woman with Issue of Blood?

Mar_5:25-29 CAB  Now a certain woman, *suffering from a flow of blood [* ἐν ῥύσει αἵματος] twelve years,  26  and *who had suffered many things [* πολλὰ παθοῦσα] *under many physicians [* ὑπὸ πολλῶν ἰατρῶν N-GPM], and who had spent everything at her disposal, and was no better, but rather having become worse,  27  when she heard about Jesus, she came from behind Him in the crowd and touched His clothing.  28  For she was saying, "If only I may touch His clothes, I will be healed."  29  And immediately the flow of her blood was dried up, and she knew in her body that she had been healed from the affliction.

 

Men or Women Did This?

“Physicians” [ἰατρῶν] is masculine in Greek, but she is said to be “under” [ὑπὸ] them, not operated on “by them”. – this is a difference in Greek. Under them pertains to her submitting under the authority of their care (note: the word “submission” itself means to “arrange under” in Greek.)

Servant women (“Deaconesses”/ “Nurses”) who served womanly needs typically did the actual work that involved uncovering the body. This is the very reason that Churches had female servants (“deaconesses”) as the Scriptures mention.

 

Parents

Moses’ wife circumcised their son

Women feed children (and “change diapers”)

Jesus’ mother Mary was at the cross with John, while the others were standing afar off weeping

 

How Even Houses Have to Do with Modesty

 

2Co_5:1-4 CAB  For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made by hand, eternal in the heavens.  2  For also in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,  3  if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.  4  For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, inasmuch as we do not desire to be stripped, but to put on clothing, that that which is mortal may be swallowed up by life.

 

I also need to get:

- a house to cover shame

 

The Hebrew Letter “Beta” Demands Special Protection for Women’s Privacy over 16 Thousand times in the Torah!

Concerning the hebrew Alpha bet: "Bet
Several variations were used for the original pictograph including, and b. Each of these pictographs are representative of a house or tent. The pictograph b is chosen as it best represents the nomadic tents of the Hebrews. The tent was divided into two sections, men`s and women`s, with the entrance at the front of the tent in the men`s section and an entrance from the men`s to the women`s section. "

hd: [note: you cannot see the "b" pictures here in chat]

hd: Every time the Hebrew Bible uses the letter B, it is showing us that women should be protected in the inner room!

hd: wow... i like the Bible! :+)

hd: Evidently, the original Pentateuch said this ~ 16,280 times in pictorial form.

And what if we count the rest of the Old Testament (which would say this by implication of the reference back to the original pictograph)?

 

Pentateuch               16,280

History (Josh - Est)  23,910

Wisdom                    7,937

Major Prophets         13,750

Minor Prophets        3,044

                                 64,921

 

Hhets

The ancient pictograph h is a picture of a tent wall. The meanings of this letter are outside as the function of the wall is to protect the occupants from the elements, halp as the wall in the middle of the tent divides the tent into the male and female sections and secular as something that is outside.

 

 

 

 

Feet Can Be A Major Safe Zone

>> Luk_13:13 - laying on 'the hands' - what does this tell us about safe zones?

 

Feet Covering

Jdg_3:24 WEB  Now when he was gone out, his servants came; and they saw, and behold, the doors of the upper room were locked; and they said, Surely he is covering his feet in the upper chamber.

Jdg_3:24 LB  And he went out. And Eglon’s servants came, and saw, and behold, the doors of the upper chamber were locked. And they said, “Does he not uncover his feet in the summer-chamber?”

Jdg_3:24  καὶ αὐτὸς ἐξῆλθεν. καὶ οἱ παῖδες αὐτοῦ εἰσῆλθον καὶ εἶδον καὶ ἰδοὺ αἱ θύραι τοῦ ὑπερῴου ἐσφηνωμέναι, καὶ εἶπαν Μήποτε ἀποκενοῖ τοὺς πόδας αὐτοῦ ἐν τῷ ταμιείῳ τῷ θερινῷ;

Jdg_3:25 WEB  They waited until they were ashamed; and behold, he didn't open the doors of the upper room: therefore they took the key, and opened them, and behold, their lord was fallen down dead on the earth.

Jdg_3:25 And they waited till they were ashamed, and behold, there was no one that opened the doors of the upper chamber; and they took the key, and opened them. And behold, their master was fallen down dead upon the ground.

Jdg_3:25  καὶ ὑπέμειναν, ἕως ᾐσχύνοντο, καὶ ἰδοὺ οὐκ ἔστιν ὁ ἀνοίγων τὰς θύρας τοῦ ὑπερῴου· καὶ ἔλαβον τὴν κλεῖδα καὶ ἤνοιξαν, καὶ ἰδοὺ ὁ κύριος αὐτῶν πεπτωκὼς ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν τεθνηκώς.

>> Sync: DBC | PUR > Shame & Ruth? << Pending

 

 

 

>> see: more “summer chamber” refs in this chapter and elsewhere

 

covering his feet

 

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It is clear that no covering of the feet was necessary for modesty. In fact, the feet have always been the “safe zone” throughout the Bible, including (non-romantic) affection between men and women:

 

Rev_1:15 KJV  And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

 

1Sa_25:41 KJV  And she arose, and bowed herself on her face to the earth, and said, Behold, let thine handmaid be a servant to wash the feet of the servants of my lord.

 

2Ki_4:27 KJV  And when she came to the man of God to the hill, she caught him by the feet: but Gehazi came near to thrust her away. And the man of God said, Let her alone… (also in 4:37)

 

Luk_7:44-45 WEB  Turning to the woman, he said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I entered into your house, and you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head.   45  You gave me no kiss, but she, since the time I came in, has not ceased to kiss my feet.

 

Mat_28:1-9 WEB  …Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb... 8  They departed quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring his disciples word.  9  As they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, "Rejoice!" They came and took hold of his feet, and worshiped him.

Joh_20:17 EMTV  Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father…

 

Notice He did not say, “Don’t hold onto my feet because it is not appropriate.”

 

Also see:

Rth_3:4-9, 14 – Ruth approached the feet of Boaz to ask him to marry her

Lk_10:39 – Mary sat at Jesus’ feet

Jn_11:32 – Mary fell at Jesus’ feet

1Ti_5:10 – Righteous widows wash the saints feet

 

Rev_1:13 WEB  And among the lampstands was one like a son of man, clothed with a robe reaching down to his feet, and with a golden sash around his chest.

-          His feet are not covered by his clothing.

 

Compare: Hands Can Be A Safe Zone

 

Thoroughly cover the entire leg

11/2/15

 

1Ti_2:7 for which I was appointed a herald and apostle--I speak the truth in Christ, I do not lie--a teacher of Gentiles in faith and truth.

1Ti_2:7  εἰς ὃ ἐτέθην ἐγὼ κῆρυξ καὶ ἀπόστολος, ἀλήθειαν λέγω ἐν Χριστῷ, οὐ ψεύδομαι, διδάσκαλος ἐθνῶν· ἐν πίστει καὶ ἀληθείᾳ.

1Ti_2:8 I desire therefore that men pray in every place, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

1Ti_2:8  Βούλομαι οὖν προσεύχεσθαι τοὺς ἄνδρας ἐν παντὶ τόπῳ, ἐπαίροντας ὁσίους χεῖρας χωρὶς ὀργῆς καὶ διαλογισμοῦ.

1Ti_2:9 Likewise also that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and discretion, not with braids or gold or pearls or expensive clothing,

1Ti_2:9  ὡσαύτως καὶ τὰς γυναῖκας ἐν καταστολῇ κοσμίῳ, μετὰ αἰδοῦς καὶ σωφροσύνης κοσμεῖν ἑαυτάς, μὴ ἐν πλέγμασιν ἢ χρυσῷ ἢ μαργαρίταις ἢ ἱματισμῷ πολυτελεῖ,

1Ti_2:10 but which is fitting for women professing godliness, by means of good works.

1Ti_2:10  ἀλλ᾿ ὃ πρέπει γυναιξὶν ἐπαγγελλομέναις θεοσέβειαν, δι᾿ ἔργων ἀγαθῶν.

 

Lower Leg and Feet

All of this is similar to what is said by some,

 

The dress of Orientals consists principally of an under garment or… Over these garments they often throw a full and flowing mantle or robe. This is made without sleeves; it reaches down to the ankles; and when they walk or exercise it is bound around the middle with a girdle or sash. When they labor it is usually laid aside.

(Barnes)

 

Male skirts?

11/11/18

 

 

Do the traditional Scottish have it right after all?

 

 

Deu_27:20 WEB  Cursed be he who lies with his father's wife, because he has uncovered his father's skirt. All the people shall say, Amen.

Deu_27:20 LB  “’Cursed is the man that lies with his father's wife, because he has uncovered his father's nakedness.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’

Deu_27:20  Ἐπικατάρατος ὁ κοιμώμενος μετὰ γυναικὸς τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ, ὅτι ἀπεκάλυψεν συγκάλυμμα τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ· καὶ ἐροῦσιν πᾶς ὁ λαός Γένοιτο.

 

 

 

 

Lower Leg

By this I mean what people would call the “shin,” below the knee and before the foot.

 

Long Robe References

I need to check out Greek and Hebrew for these refs:

 

Jer_13:22 CAB  And if you should say in your heart, Why have these things happened to me? Because of the abundance of your iniquity have your skirts been discovered, that your heels might be exposed.

In the following reference, taking away lawlessness is associated with the Lord clothing with a full length robe (reminds me of the demonic guy who was clothed & in his right mind after Jesus cast the demons out :-)

 

Evidence from the LXX (not MT):

Zec_3:3-5 CAB  (3:4) Now Joshua was clothed in filthy garments, and stood before the Angel.  4  (3:5) And the Lord answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And He said to him, Behold, I have taken away your iniquities, and clothed you with a *long robe [MT/KJV: “change of raiment.H4254”; LXX: ποδήρη – a ‘feet-(ποδ-)-reaching’ robe – this agrees with Jesus’ example in the book of Revelation],  5  (3:6) and place a clean turban upon his head. So they placed a clean turban upon his head, and *clothed him with garments [περιέβαλον αὐτὸν ἱμάτια]. And the Angel of the Lord stood by.
> update other quote of this



I am really encouraged that the Lord, in his glorified state, wears clothing down to his feet :-)

 

And in speaking of Phineas and his long priestly rob, Wisdom says,

 

Wis_18:23-24 Brenton  For when the dead were now fallen down by heaps one upon another, standing between, he stayed the wrath, and parted the way to the living.  24  For in the long garment [ποδήρους ἐνδύματος] was the whole world, and in the four rows of the stones was the glory of the fathers graven, and thy Majesty upon the diadem of his head.

 

Long Robes Have Skirts -- Even for Men!

1/27/17

 

From Hebrew

Exo_28:33 (incl. LXX); Exo_28:34 (incl. LXX); Exo_39:24 (incl. LXX); Exo_39:25 (incl. LXX); Exo_39:26 (incl. LXX); Exo_39:31 (not MT); Isa_6:1; Jer_13:22; Jer_13:26; Lam_1:9; Nah_3:5;

 

 

Gird up the loins

This concept speaks of the binding together of loose clothing to be ready for swift action such as running or fighting. The idea is that it also at least partially exposed the lower leg. Although this may have been “undignified” to some in social situations, it does not seem to be a violation of modesty.

 

1Ki_18:46 KJV  And the hand of the LORD was on Elijah; and he girded up his loins, and ran before Ahab to the entrance of Jezreel.

 

When the prodigal son returned, it says,

Luk_15:20 KJV  …when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

-          This suggests an expression of Love that apparently included showing the lower leg to run

 

Also see:

2Ki_4:29, 2Ki_9:1; Job_38:3; Jer_1:17; Eph_6:14; 1Pe_1:13

 

But for some significance we should also consider the perfection of dignity:

 

Rev_1:13 WEB  And among the lampstands was one like a son of man, clothed with a robe reaching down to his feet, and with a golden sash around his chest.

 

Thighs

 

From the loins to the thighs

(Exo_28)

 

-          Song of Songs

 

Exo_28 - Breaches

 

Isa_47:2-3 KJB  Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover your locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.  3  your nakedness shall be uncovered, yes, your shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet you as a man.

 

Jer_13:22-27 WEB  If you say in your heart, Why are these things come on me? for the greatness of your iniquity are your skirts uncovered, and your heels suffer violence… 25  This is your lot, the portion measured to you from me, says Yahweh; because you have forgotten me, and trusted in falsehood.  26  Therefore will I also uncover your skirts on your face, and your shame shall appear.  27  I have seen your abominations, even your adulteries, and your neighing [i.e. lustfulness], the lewdness of your prostitution, on the hills in the field. Woe to you, Jerusalem! you will not be made clean…

 

Nah_3:5 KJ2000  Behold, I am against you, says the LORD of hosts; and I will uncover your skirts over your face, and I will show the nations your nakedness, and the kingdoms your shame.

 

That which is sometimes translated as “hem” speaks of the “skirt” of the robe especially since it is the same word:

Exo_28:33-35 ACV  And upon the skirts7757 of it thou shall make pomegranates of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, round about the skirts7757 of it, and bells of gold between them round about:  34  a golden bell and a pomegranate, a golden bell and a pomegranate, upon the skirts7757of the robe round about.  35  And it shall be upon Aaron to minister… that he does not die.

 

And why do we expect to go on dressing however we wish, when this is a life or death issue to Aaron? Could it be that we do not have the right desires to be the HOLY nation and priesthood that God has called us to be?

 

The point of these scriptures is to show that God specifically covered the leg, especially when it pertains to the thigh.

 

It used to be considered immodest to show the Things we Show

 

Some of the Greek women wore them open on each side, from the bottom up above the knee, so as to discover a part of the thigh. These were termed φαινομηριδες, showers (discoverers) of the thigh; but it was, in general, only young girls or immodest women who wore them thus.

(Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible, on 1Ti_2:9)

 

Loins

 

“In the past, mennos had these home-sewn clothes for both sexes designed to try to minimize attention to the, well, lumps.

 

The cape for women, the broadfall for men. Men also wore suspenders with their broadfalls because it also seemed to help.

 

So today, churches that emphasize modest dress require the cape and the broadfalls.”

http://mennodiscuss.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12868&start=105

Accessed 9/29/13

 

See: Broadfall Trousers

http://www.gohnbrothers.com/broadfall-pants.html

 

Zippers on Pants?

 

“Zippers are even more easily unzipped in the mind than in reality.”

http://www.therebelution.com/modestysurvey/browse_174

9/29/13

 

 

The two chief uses of the zipper in its early years were for closing boots and tobacco pouches. It was almost twenty years before the fashion industry began seriously promoting the novel closure on garments.[6]

In the 1930s, a sales campaign began for children's clothing featuring zippers. The campaign praised zippers for promoting self-reliance in young children by making it possible for them to dress in self-help clothing. The zipper beat the button in 1937 in the "Battle of the Fly", after French fashion designers raved over zippers in men's trousers. Esquire declared the zipper the "Newest Tailoring Idea for Men" and among the zippered fly's many virtues was that it would exclude "The Possibility of Unintentional and Embarrassing Disarray."[citation needed]

The most recent innovation[citation needed] in the zipper's design was the introduction of models that could open on both ends, as on jackets. Today the zipper is by far the most widespread fastener, and is found on clothing, luggage, leather goods, and various other objects.

http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa082497.htm

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zippers

Accessed 9/29/13; emphasis added

 

“Questions about clothing led me into an exploration of BUTTONS, which I found absolutely fascinating, because there was a philosophy behind it. Women in the 1940′s did not wear zippers on their clothing; dresses, blouses, skirts were most often closed with buttons.  Even men’s pants did not have zippers until the late 1930s.  Zippers were considered immodest and too suggestive for the ladies. This was something they really thought about and considered important.”

http://julianathenovel.com/why-a-blog-about-juliana/

Accessed 9/29/13; emphasis added

 

Very Conservative Mennonites Can See The Difference

Liberal: “I don't see men's pants with zippers as being immodest at all or suggestive in the least.”

Conservative: “That's because you grew up with zippered pants, just like Pentecostals grew up with blouses.

I know of women who have struggled with zippered pants.

Liberal: “Woman's dresses have changed as well. They used to wear aprons and don't anymore.”

Conservative: “Many plain ladies still wear aprons. My mom and sisters do. There are men and women in those settings who grew up with that who see non-aproned dresses as immodest.”

http://mennodiscuss.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12868&start=105

Accessed 9/29/13

 

 

Generic, Additional Links

http://www.ansun.com/history.html – Historical

http://www.zippersource.com/parts/definitions.asp – Technical

http://www.thomasnet.com/articles/hardware/zipper-history – Generic

 

Talk About “Relative Modesty”???

 

“To point number two. I have no idea why the broadfalls disappeared. I don't see men's pants with zippers as being immodest at all or suggestive in the least.

Woman's dresses have changed as well. They used to wear aprons and don't anymore. There are definitely degrees of covering. You can be completely burka-ed and be less visible to the on-looker. A man could wear layer upon layer of robe like they do in some locales and be less visible. But if clothing is not exposing a person in a way that tempts the opposite gender to stumble, I think we are adequately clothed.”

http://mennodiscuss.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12868&start=105

Accessed 9/29/13

 

“I might leave room for some non-logic (providing it is not anti-biblical) if it was the result of searching and prayer.”

 

Conservative Response: “So if an MC USA person is not tempted by an outfit that the people in your church would consider immodest, would they still be adequately clothed? Or have they been conditioned to something they shouldn't be, just like we've been conditioned to something we shouldn't be.”

http://mennodiscuss.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12868&start=105

Accessed 9/29/13

 

 

Thighs & Breaches

12/26/03 (original titles: Modesty & Thighs & Trousers.doc; MODESTY…1. Thighs & Breaches; +Word: Created); 11/25/04 (Word: Modified); 2/23/17 (recompiled)

 

This part of the Bible study is where it all started!

 

-- Under Construction --

 

Exo_28:42 WEB  You shall make them linen breeches to cover the flesh of their nakedness; from the loins even to the thighs3409 they shall reach:

 

Son_7:1 WEB  How beautiful are your feet in sandals, prince's daughter! Your rounded [or possibly “the joints2542 of thy… ” -KJV] thighs3409 are like jewels, The work of the hands of a skillful workman.

 

Summary:

 

To what part of the “thigh” is modesty? –Good question

 

-- Under Construction --

 

A. A Theologian Says:

“Exo_28:42 - linen breeches--drawers, which encompassed the loins and reached half way down the thighs. They are seen very frequently represented in Egyptian figures,”

[From Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and David Brown Commentary]

 

B. Contextual Usage & Hebrew:

Since this word, contextually speaking can also clearly mean “side(s)” as it is translated 7 times threw out the O.T.:

[Exo_32:27, Exo_40:22, Exo_40:24, Lev_1:11, Num_3:29, Num_3:35, 2Ki_16:14]

 …then it is reasonable to say as the previously quoted commentary says, that the Exo. 28:42 verse would mean that the “breaches” should reach to the “sides” of the “thighs.” –All I’m doing here is applying the usage of the word which is even sighted straight out of it’s definition.  Strong’s also defines the primary meanings of this word to include “side” and “thigh” just as the Bible does by context. This word is translated as “side(s)” or “Thigh(s)” more times than any of its other possible translations:

Total Occurrences: 34 Thigh: 19, Side: 7, Shaft: 3, Loins: 2, Thighs: 2, body: 1

[Based from King James Concordance]

I know to many people all this that I’ve talked about might seam to be stretching it, but I’m simply showing you what I hold to and why I hold to it.

 

How does it apply today?

It does so independent of Culture:

 

In this passage, God would be potentially offended by the exposed nakedness of a priest. It’s not just a cultural standard. The Bible verse is independent of culture, because it comes from God’s view of modesty!  This is about how the priest serves before God and no other human is included in his service inside the tabernacle.  If you know your Bible then you know that this service is done alone:

Heb_9:7 KJV  But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

(Also see Lk. 1:8-10 & 21).

If we also show our nakedness by not covering our thighs, then we are in error, with out knowing it.  To not show ones nakedness one has to do at least what the priest did for undergarments.

 

Summary:

If the minimal standards of underwear is to have the sides of one’s thighs covered, then how much more should our outward clothing cover us beyond the standard of underwear!

  We are supposed to be “kings and priests” (Rev_1:6 & 5:10) and “…a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people,” (1Pet. 2:9).  So our minimum standards should be higher than the highest standards that the world has.    May be we don’t count swimsuits as ‘exposing one’s nakedness,’ but God is still “the same yesterday to day and forever,” (Heb_13:8).  If He considered the mid-to-upper thigh part of a human’s nakedness, then He still does!

  I’m not trying to say how mad God is.  Maybe some don’t know any better and I am not convinced that God is ready to judge them, at least not the same as others.  But the Bible does say to find out what pleases Him, (Eph. 5:10 & Rom. 12:2).  Of course now that you have read this you are responsible for what you do with it.

 

 

Other “Nakedness” Issues:

(all using the exact same Hebrew word)

 

Bathrooms

Dut_23:9, 12-14

 

Noah

 

David

 

 

Cloths that Cover!

3/10/19

 

it is not our goal that we should remain vulnerable in any way such that if we bend or move in a certain direction then modesty is endangered

 

it is our goal to find the best safety net and the best safety precautions so that with biblical usage we might protect all modesty at every angle

 

From Waist Area to Color-Bone

In general it is important to notice that God covered this area for both men and women.  For no justified reason, we are tempted to go beyond the limits that God set for the human body. 

 

>> Hijab/ Khimar

 

 

 

 

Dress Code in Light of Swimming

For example, we somehow think that swimming should be an exception to the rules of modesty that God laid down.  Guys do this by thinking that it is OK to take off their shirts, and girls do this by wearing swimsuits that show off their back as well as the entirety of their thighs, or even worse, some church women even dare to wear bikinis or others that show off most of the chest.

 

Why do people often get excited about a “socially expectable” opportunity to undress themselves, and why are they energized to immodestly and shamelessly celebrate the prostitution of their own body in broad daylight?

 

Let us redeem this area of our lives, and shake ourselves free unto life from our delusion into actual godly modesty. May God also have mercy on those who don’t know any better and use us to gently inform them “how [they] ought to walk and please God” (1Th_4:1).

 

Shirts Are Required -- Short Pants Are Not Enough

2/28/18

 

after Adam and Eve made trousers for themselves, they still hid themselves from God and knew that they were both still NAKED!

swim trunks are not enough to stop you from being naked!

 

Chest

For the area that a shirt covers, men are described more generically than women in this area; there is modesty with men as well, but not in the same respect as women. We see a number of non-sexual aspects to a man’s chest:

 

Non-Co-ed Love is the only Appropriate Embrace of the Chest

 

Joh_13:23 KJV  Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved25. (also_13:25; 21:20)

 

This is appropriate for non-coed situations, since it is obvious that impurity is not related to the faithful and non-despising love of brothers.

 

Note: In case any ignorant person foolishly suggests anything inappropriate here, the Greek word that is used here for “love” is exclusively a pure and non-sexual type of love: ηγαπα25 (“agapa”).  If sexual love were ever needed in the New Testament (which it isn’t) the Greek word for it would have been used: ρως (“érōs”)

[Compare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love]

 

On the other hand the Old Testament is full of sexual love.

 

Though this area is nonsexual for the man, of the woman the Bible is almost “over-explicit.”

 

In this passage it says of sexuality and a woman’s breasts in particular:

Pro_5:15-19 WEB  Drink water out of your own cistern, Running water out of your own well.  16  Should your springs overflow in the streets, Streams of water in the public squares?  17  Let them be for yourself alone, Not for strangers with you.  18  Let your spring be blessed. Rejoice in the wife of your youth.  19  A loving doe and a graceful deer -- Let her breasts satisfy you at all times. Be captivated always with her love.

 

Do you see the exclusivity given to a woman’s breasts?  I wish I did not have to be so explicit, but this shows us that any clothing that shows this area is inappropriate.  Sexuality is “the one area” in the Bible that you are to not share with anyone except your spouse, and this includes showing off to the “public” that which belongs (exclusively) to your husband.

And

 

Chests -- in the Song of Solomon

The whole Book of the Song of Solomon is about his wife and their sexual relationship.  Some quotes are from the wife about her husband:

 

The LXX (not the MT) show the woman enraptured with the man’s chest:

Son_1:2 CAB  Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for your breasts are better than wine.

 

While this chest-passion is mutual all throughout the LXX, of course, the woman is still mentioned more frequently:

 

Son_1:13 WEB  My beloved [my husband] is to me a sachet of myrrh, That lies between my breasts.

[“a sachet of myrrh” was something that is worn all night by women in this culture. So this is an “all-knight” description].

 

We see from this verse, by the use of the word “between,” that cleavage is also a sexual thing reserved for marriage, which should not be shown to the public.  (I wish I did not have to go into detail, but because of the weakness of our perceptions many are still unaware of this and it needs to be made known).

 

Son_4:5-7 WEB  Your two breasts are like two fawns That are twins of a roe, Which feed among the lilies.  6  Until the day is cool, and the shadows flee away, I will go to the mountain of myrrh, To the hill of frankincense.  7  You are all beautiful, my love. There is no spot in you.

 

Son_7:3-10 WEB  Your two breasts are like two fawns, That are twins of a roe.  5  …The king [Solomon] is held captive…  6  How beautiful and how pleasant are you, Love, for delights!  7  This, your stature, is like a palm tree, Your breasts like its fruit.  8  I said, "I will climb up into the palm tree. I will take hold of its fruit." Let your breasts be like clusters of the vine, The smell of your breath like apples, Beloved  9  Your mouth like the best wine, That goes down smoothly for my beloved, Gliding through the lips of those who are asleep.  10  [and the wife answers] I am my beloved's. His desire is toward me.

 

Son_8:10 WEB  I am a wall, and my breasts like towers, Then I was in his eyes like one who found peace.

 

Also see:

Son_8:8/Ezk_16:7-8 – Sexually developed breasts are considered necessary for marriage

Ezk_23:3; Hos_2:2 – Prostitutes use this part of their body inappropriately

Ezk_23:21 – Being “lewd” with this part of your body is compared to being a prostitute

Ezk_23:34 – If you are lewd with this party your body, it will be “torn” at, or, “torn off” (compare Hos_9:14)

 

You see that Song of Solomon capitalizes at times on the wife’s breasts.  If then they are to be reserved for such a sexual relationship they should not be advertised the world or the church.

 

At the same time, although it is the woman who has the most to be concerned with in this area, the profound thing is that God did not cloth only the woman with a cloak and the man with pants, but He clothed them BOTH with tunics!

Remember that they thought at first that leaves would do full clothing but God insisted on a higher standard:

 

An Email About Shirts

 

From: Josiahs Scott [mailto:josiahs@trueconnection.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:32 PM
To: [persecuted writer S]
Subject: RE: Question about a shirt

 

I think I’m going to answer much more broadly your question than the one situation you specifically asked about. So, although I am answering concerning a specific question you asked, please don’t think that all of these things applies to this one case with the same degree as I address the over all principals.

 

I would say yes: The white shirt would especially not be something I would want you to go out in public with, knowing the outcome, but I suppose that there are some very basic and important principles of avoiding stumbling that need to be considered here in these types of cases, that it seems females don’t usually have an awareness of in our culture.

I would so much sooner that we all adopted the Mennonite ‘cape’ dress, than there was an unawareness of the visual qualities of what we don’t notice that we are wearing.

If it is possible for a guy to notice what a female looks like, he will notice. And as much as guys notice, it is practically impossible that they will not be forced to lust, but we know, ‘not with God. Because all things are possible for Him.’ But apart from such a miracle, lust will happen. And frankly, guys are not well known for walking around experiencing such miracles, even if they cry out to God continually for them.

And we know that the virtue of modesty is not needed simply for your own intrinsic value, but as much as another looks at you, you are cheapened from the outside in, but ultimately, the inside out.

 

 The ‘cape’ dress works and answers this need even if, theoretically, the need was not perceived, but our dress does not yet always meet the need, but yet it has gotten closer to this as time has passed. Let us fully perceive the need, and so be completely protected and sufficiently covered.

 

There is a very definite reason that the Bible specifically says much about this area, and how it should be exclusive to meeting the needs of husbands. Even though they don’t remember, guys are deeply engrained and programmed to this in a pure way with their mother about woman-kind. So in the correlating case of a wife, as much as it meets such potent needs in marriage, if this is noticed visually outside of marriage, it will also cause potent destruction according to this same power. You do not want a guy to correlate with you according to what has been engrained in him, according to the burning principal that was meant to attach him to a wife.

 

You are to be a sister to any guy out there who will believe. Don’t stab him with anything other than such a pure invitation, lest he fall to the wound of satan before getting to fall in Love with God.

 

Any shirt that is ever worn, especially by a female, ought to be devoid of any possibility of even coming close to even slightly hinting at anything. Anything that in anyway gives any chance to be looked at is a definite aid to the forceful adultery of satan’s seduction.

No shirt or any other article of clothing should ever give any chance at all for a male to look at a woman, especially in the area of the shirt, including low cutting shirts that are over other shirts, or anything that causes a noticeable pattern or other element to look at.

Why?

Because guys WILL look at it! And they will commit adultery, whether they want to or not. I may say so clearly: No that is not a cute pattern or design in your shirt, it is the weapon of satan.

So why is it that we keep having so many visual elements in shirts?

I wish I could project with a mega phone and say in most churches, “STOP USING CUTE SHIRTS!” But sometimes, with different situations, it seems so often people don’t take it to heart how potent this is.

 

A shirt that does not fully and completely hide and mute a woman is a heavy weight and a painful wound to nearly any guy who wants to avoid adultery.

 

I suppose this covers more than just the white shirt question, but even if it is better than other shirts, yet, more perception of the huge dangers and of how much protection and hiding is necessary, is a great success and needful salvation to many.

 

I hope this helps you (and any others) with hitting hard this area to produce a lot of purity.

 

I can be on call if clarification is needed on some things, especially if more than one of you is needing to ask specific questions. IM is also possible if needed.

 

Thanks for asking, and looking specifically to find the needs of purity.

 

Josiahs Scott

(352) 222-5471

www.DivorceAndRemarriageBook.com

www.TrueConnection.org

 

From: [persecuted writer S]

Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:38 PM
To: Josiahs Scott
Subject: Question about a shirt

 

The night you spoke with [persecuted writer D], [persecuted writer A], and I here at my apartment, [persecuted writer D] and I were wearing a plain white pretty loose shirt. Is there something wrong with wearing that?

 

 

Shoulders

 

God made them cloaks

 

Two important words

 

H3801 כּתּנת    כּתנת kethôneth  kûttôneth keth-o'-neth, koot-to'-neth

From an unused root meaning to cover (compare H3802); a shirt: - coat, garment, robe.

 

The Complete Word Study Dictionary says that this word is “A feminine noun indicating a coat, a garment, a tunic. It indicates a long undergarment with a collar cut out for one's head

 

For this first word is the broader form of the word for shoulder:

H3802 כּתף kâthêph kaw-thafe'

From an unused root meaning to clothe; the shoulder (proper, that is, upper end of the arm; as being the spot where the garments hang); figuratively side piece or lateral projection or anything: - arm, corner, shoulder (-piece), side, undersetter.

 

This relationship between the word for “garment” or “cloak” with shoulder is repeated in Greek with the words “χειριδωτος” (cheiridotos) a tunic, and “χειριδας” (cheiridas) which are sleeves (that cover the hands).

 

 

So we see that the word for “cloak” that was used to cover Adam and Eve is directly related to the word shoulder indicating the scope of the area covered by the garment. This idea of covering the shoulder is reaffirmed in the clothing that God specified for the priests. Speaking of the “ephod,” God uses the second word and says:

 

Exo_28:7 WEB  It shall have two shoulder-pieces3802 joined to the two ends of it, that it may be joined together. (compare Exo_39:4)

 

Exo_28:12 WEB  You shall put the two stones on the shoulder-pieces3802 of the ephod, to be stones of memorial for the children of Israel: and Aaron shall bear their names before Yahweh on his two shoulders3802 for a memorial. (compare Exo_39:7; Num_7:9)

 

Exo_28:25 WEB  The other two ends of the two braided chains you shall put on the two settings, and put them on the shoulder-pieces3802 of the ephod in the forepart of it. (compare Exo_39:18)

 

It is also said of this word,

 

2Sa_13:18 -

A garment of divers colors - See Gen_37:3. Some prefer here (and there) “a tunic with sleeves,” a tunic reaching to the extremities, i. e. the hands and feet, and worn over the common tunic, in room of a robe.

 

And on Job_1:20 he says

 

The dress of Orientals consists principally of an under garment or tunic - not materially differing from the “shirt” with us - except that the sleeves are wider…

 

 

Coat - The Jews wore two principal garments, an interior and an exterior. The interior, here called the “coat,” or the tunic, was made commonly of linen, and encircled the whole body, extending down to the knees. Sometimes beneath this garment, as in the case of the priests, there was another garment corresponding to pantaloons. The coat, or tunic, was extended to the neck. and had long or short sleeves. Over this was commonly worn an upper garment, here called “cloak,” or mantle. It was made commonly nearly square, of different sizes, 5 or 6 cubits long and as many broad, and was wrapped around the body, and was thrown off when labor was performed.

 

(Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible)

 

 

For the priestly cloak:

 

…according to Josephus, “a tunic circumscribing or closely encompassing the body, and having tight sleeves for the arms.” (Clark)

 

 

 

This word is transliterated into Greek (χιτών, “chitōn”) and is used in the Greek Old Testament in this very passage in Genesis, as well as throughout the New Testament where it is used in a similar sense including the following:

 

Joh_19:23 KJB  Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat 5509: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.

 

So we see with this that the cloaks covered from the top downward including the shoulders, particularly since the word for cloak comes from the word “shoulder.” It is also implied in the word that it is “a long undergarment” which probably covered even the thighs (as we’ll see below), but we at least can say that it was not showing off the stomach.

 

 

 

 

 

 

He did this because He did not want to see their nakedness:

 

Also consider bathrooms

 

The Bible uses this when God is tell Moses exactly how He wants His (Holy) priests to dress:

 

Heb_8:4-5 KJVCNT  …there are priests [with their priestly clothing] that offer gifts according to the law:  5  Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, says he, that you make all things [including the priestly clothing] according to the pattern showed to you in the mount.

 

Arms

Though we can see that the shoulders were specifically covered by this clothing that God prescribed and re-prescribed for men and women, at the same time we cannot say that this included the entire arm:

 

Isa_52:10 KJV  The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

 

This is twice confirmed in this scripture:

-          Because His arm is “Holy” it cannot be said that it is being used shamefully

-          Even more obvious is the fact that it is unreasonable to say that God would be lewd “in the eyes of all the nations”

 

Joh_12:38/ Isa_52… – to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?

 

Persecuted Writer S’ Email

 

**Sleeves going down to the elbow-
At the moment, this is the minimum standard when we girls go out in public.
I have been wrestling with the lower part of the arm. And like I told you before, unlike the issue of the legs, the sleeves seem to somewhat vary throughout history. Below are two verses I've been thinking about:

Isa_52:10  The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

Eze_4:7  Therefore thou shalt set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be uncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it.

These verses immediately tell me 2 things. 1) The arm was usually covered and 2) It is not sinful to do so because God did it.
eSword says that this word  for "arm" seems to imply strength, shoulder. Please correct me if I'm not understanding what Strong's is saying. I thought the shoulder area wasn't right to uncover. Is upper arm and lower arm distinguished in the Greek or is it just all "arm"? 
I was looking at what some commentators said about the uncovering of the arm in the above passages and more than one of them said that this was an allusion to warriors who bare their arm for battle.

"The metaphor is derived from the manner in which the Orientals dressed. The following extract from Jowett’s Christian Researches will explain the language: ‘The loose sleeve of the Arab shirt, as well as that of the outer garment, leaves the arm so completely free, that in an instant the left hand passing up the right arm makes it bare; and this is done when a person, a soldier, for example, about to strike with the sword, intends to give the arm full play..." Barnes

and thine arm shall be uncovered- "which was usual in fighting in those times and countries; for, wearing long garments, they were obliged to turn them up on the arm, or lay them aside, that they might more expeditiously handle their weapons, and engage with the enemy: in this form the soldiers in Trajan's column are figured fighting; and it is related that the Africans used to fight with their arms uncovered (h); thus Scanderbeg in later times used to fight the Turks." Gill

Uncovered- "uncovered--to be ready for action, which the long Oriental garment usually covered it would prevent " JFB

These comments also make me think- when men fight, they are fighting amongst men so it wouldn't be inappropriate to show their arm in the ways spoken above. But then again, Ezekiel is not out fighting a physical war; he was amongst them of the captivity at Telabib, (Eze_3:15). And also, the Lord bares his arm in the sight of everyone!

Arms – Gill on Deu_24:1

Deu_24:1and they suppose a man might divorce his wife for any ill qualities of mind in her, or for any ill or impudent behaviour of hers; as if her husband saw her go abroad with her head uncovered, and spinning in the streets, and so showing her naked arms to men; or having her garments slit on both sides; or washing in a bath with men, or where men use to wash, and talking with every man, and joking with young men; or her voice is sonorous and noisy; or any disease of body, as the leprosy, and the like; or any blemishes, as warts, are upon her; or any disagreeable smell that might arise from any parts of the body, from sweat, or a stinking breath (n)

 

(n) T. Bab. Gittin, fol. 90. 1. 2. Misn. Cetubot, c. 7. sect. 6, 7. & Maimon. & Bartenora in ib.

 

arm

~2018-2019?

the prophet came to the king with a wound on his arm...

how much of his arm was showing when he came to the king?

what purpose would the wound serve in the first place if it were not seen in a public situation?

why would the Word of God have a graphic picture of a wound made if it were not seen as an illustration of some sort?

the prophet could have very well just said he was wounded rather than potentially wasting the actual damage of his body, if indeed it were not to be seen...

 

...

 

Wrists

2Sa_13:18 – says that Tamar wore "*a tunic to the wrists [CAB: “a multi-colored robe” – Greek textual variation?], for so the daughters of the king who were virgins were clothed in their outer garments..." (NETS)

 

Hands Can Be A Safe Zone

Jesus - little girl (Jarious' Daughter)

Tabitha – hand

 

Compare: Feet Can Be A Safe Zone

 

 

Abraham and Lot Saw “Men” Who Grabbed the Hands of Him, His (Married) Wife, and His Virgin Daughters

Gen_18:2 He lifted up his eyes and looked, and saw that three men stood opposite him. When he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself to the earth,

Gen_18:2 And he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men stood before him; and having seen them, he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and bowed himself to the ground.

Gen_18:2  ἀναβλέψας δὲ τοῖς ὀφθαλμοῖς αὐτοῦ εἶδεν, καὶ ἰδοὺ τρεῖς ἄνδρες εἱστήκεισαν ἐπάνω αὐτοῦ· καὶ ἰδὼν προσέδραμεν εἰς συνάντησιν αὐτοῖς ἀπὸ τῆς θύρας τῆς σκηνῆς αὐτοῦ καὶ προσεκύνησεν ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν

 

 

Gen_19:16 But he lingered; and the men grabbed his hand, his wife's hand, and his two daughters' hands, Yahweh being merciful to him; and they took him out, and set him outside of the city.

Gen_19:16 And they were troubled, and the angels laid hold on his hand, and the hand of his wife, and the hands of his two daughters, in that the Lord spared him.

Gen_19:16  καὶ ἐταράχθησαν· καὶ ἐκράτησαν οἱ ἄγγελοι τῆς χειρὸς αὐτοῦ καὶ τῆς χειρὸς τῆς γυναικὸς αὐτοῦ καὶ τῶν χειρῶν τῶν δύο θυγατέρων αὐτοῦ ἐν τῷ φείσασθαι κύριον αὐτοῦ.

 

 

 

Sacrificial Clothing

Exo_20:26 WEB  Neither shall you go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness may not be exposed to it.'

Exo_20:26 CAB You shall not go up to My altar by steps, that you may not uncover your nakedness upon it.

Exo_20:26  οὐκ ἀναβήσῃ ἐν ἀναβαθμίσιν ἐπὶ τὸ θυσιαστήριόν μου, ὅπως ἂν μὴ ἀποκαλύψῃς τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην σου ἐπ᾿ αὐτοῦ.

 

 

Lev_6:10-11 WEB  The priest shall put on his linen garment, and he shall put on his linen breeches upon his body; and he shall remove the ashes from where the fire has consumed the burnt offering on the altar, and he shall put them beside the altar.  11  He shall take off his garments, and put on other garments, and carry the ashes outside the camp to a clean place.

 

Holy Clothing

Eze_42:14 WEB  When the priests enter in, then shall they not go out of the holy place into the outer court, but there they shall lay their garments in which they minister; for they are holy: and they shall put on other garments, and shall approach to that which pertains to the people.

 

And how did this originate?

 

Exo_28:2 WEB  You shall make holy garments for Aaron your brother, for glory and for beauty.

 

Exo_28:40 CAB And for the sons of Aaron you shall make tunics* and sashes, and you shall make headpieces for them for honor and glory.

 

Tunics –

Greek: χιτῶνας (LXX) G5509 - same as God made for Adam and Eve in Gen_3:21

The equivalent applies to the Hebrew (ֻכֹּתֶּנת - H3801)

 

Exo_28:42-43 CAB And you shall make for them linen trousers to cover the nakedness of their flesh; they shall reach from the loins to the thighs.  43  And Aaron shall have them, and his sons, whenever they enter into the tabernacle of witness, or when they shall advance to the altar of the sanctuary to minister, so they shall not bring sin upon themselves, lest they die: it is a perpetual statute for him, and for his seed after him.

 

Exo_28:7 WEB  It shall have two shoulder-pieces3802 joined to the two ends of it, that it may be joined together. (compare Exo_39:4)

 

Exo_28:12 WEB  You shall put the two stones on the shoulder-pieces3802 of the ephod, to be stones of memorial for the children of Israel: and Aaron shall bear their names before Yahweh on his two shoulders3802 for a memorial. (compare Exo_39:7; Num_7:9)

 

Exo_28:25 WEB  The other two ends of the two braided chains you shall put on the two settings, and put them on the shoulder-pieces3802 of the ephod in the forepart of it. (compare Exo_39:18)

 

 

Exo_32:25-26 KJ2000  And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had let them be naked unto their shame among their enemies:)  26  Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me…

 

 

 

Everything was left as a pattern, even for the clothing

 

Consider David dancing with Ephod

 

Navel, Belly Button & Loins

It goes without saying that the waist and loins need to be FULLY covered. But nevertheless, way too many church people think that it’s ok to call themselves Christians while wearing swimsuits such as bikinis and the like that defy these Bible verses by uncovering this area of the body.

Song

Son_7:2 KJ2000  Your navel8326 is like a round goblet, which lacks not blended drink: your belly is like a heap of wheat set about with lilies.

 

Lam

>>>> 

This man Solomon is writing about the context of sex and is enamored with this woman’s body to the glory of God.  How can we possibly think that we can uncover these parts of the body and honor God in it outside of this context?

 

Waist

The Bible specifically shows us repeatedly that we should cover this (literally and figuratively):

Son_7:2 (quoted above); Isa_11:5 (quoted below); Mat_3:4; Joh_13:4 (around men only); Eph_6:14;

 

Loins (specifically, literally and figuratively)

>> Eze_44:18 LXX says not to wear pants that have been ‘violently’ girded. This may mean not to wear tight pants…

 

OT

Gen_37:34; Exo_12:11; 28:42; Deu; 2Sa_20:8; 1Ki_2:5; 20:31, 32; 2Ki_1:8; Neh_4:18; Pro_31:17; Isa_11:5; 20:2 (the exception proves the rule); Jer_13:1, 2, 4, 11; 48:37; Eze_23:15; 44:18; Dan_10:5; Amos_8:10

NT

Mat_3:4; Mar_1:6; Luk_12:35; Eph_6:14; 1Pe_1:13;

 

Isa_11:5 WEB  Righteousness shall be the belt of his waist, and faithfulness the belt of his loins.

 

Note: As seen above, belts in the Bible often included that which came down and covered the loins as well.

 

The Management of the Loins toward the Worship of God

 

There is a restriction put on this for the priests: Exo_28:42 ; Eze_44:18; (etc., etc.), (and see examples below). There is a “die to loins” theme that I would say we must somehow partake of: Lev_7:3. But encouragement in that vicinity is good: Nah_2:1; 1Pe_1:13 (not to mention the blessing of having children “come out of your loins”).

 

Generally, paganism involved sexuality in the worship of their various gods, and monotheism basically said “no”. 

 

The sex organs themselves (and or at least the more general region of the loins) are constantly tied with themes of healthiness vs. morning, sacrifices offered to God, and even more frequently with circumcision (i.e. a dying to the flesh and separation unto holiness). It seems that only in marriage the sex organs are fully integrated into the blessing of God (as explicitly ravished all throughout the Song of Songs), and apart from this, they are almost always an object and target of crucifixion for us (with the exceptions of a few general blessings of overall bodily health).

 

The Greek word for the male sex organ itself is basically not used in the Greek Bible, but it is referenced (directly or indirectly) and tied with themes

 

Full Email 4/8/13:

 

From: Justice TouIesou [mailto:justiceg1343@gmail.com]

Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:06 PM

To: Jeff Smit

Subject: Important Question

 

We are to worship God in spirit and in truth. And we know that this end up affecting even our physiology. As a response to yearning/loving/worshiping towards the Lord our God out of the whole of our soul/heart/mind/ability/strength we

 

shed tears

 

we breath hot and heavy

 

our bowels move

 

our body trembles

 

ect.

 

But Sir, out of all our body members, are the reproductive organs "off limits" (unlawful/unorthodox) for experiencing any stimulation/arousal towards Truth? (btw, being indulgent and pleasing oneself is clear boundary breaking, and i am not speaking of these things)

 

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That is a good question. Let me consider that some.

 

There is a restriction put on this for the priests: Exo_28:42 ; Eze_44:18; (etc., etc.), (and see examples below). There is a “die to loins” theme that I would say we must somehow partake of: Lev_7:3. But encouragement in that vicinity is good: Nah_2:1; 1Pe_1:13 (not to mention the blessing of having children “come out of your loins”).

 

Generally, paganism involved sexuality in the worship of their various gods, and monotheism basically said “no”.  But here are some “partial examples” where morning and other things partly affected this area of the body… (I am giving you the search results for “loins” in CAB – but please let me know if you can think of any other examples):

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God expects uncovered Buttocks to be shameful to us

Isa_20:3-4 KJV  And the LORD said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia;  4  So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.

(also see 2Sa_10:1-5/1Ch_19:1-5)

 

Note: This is the heritage of shame and judgment upon those who do not obey God. We should strive in every way not to be like them nor inherit their judgment of shame.

 

Long Dress –

Other date(s)?; 11/11/18

 

>>Scrip:

1Ti_2:!!!!

>> ES word search!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

Stola and Beyond

11/11/18

 

Some info on the "stola" for women in ancient Greece:

 

https://www.quora.com/What-did-unmarried-women-wear-during-the-Roman-Republic

Al: The first pic in the following link seems to show a classic looking stola (that might have had an accompanying belt to hold part of it together). Then there was the himation-like garment that was thrown over the stola (this didn't seem to necessarily need to go to the ankles).

Btw, you don't need to read the article cuz the writer isn't the most clear / thoroughly educated. I came up with the above conclusion by overlapping the consensus of multiple articles.

 

Logan Library: Reacting to the Past: Athens: The Culture of Athens in 403 B.C.

http://library.schreiner.edu/c.php?g=300183&p=2288255

Al: seems a little more educted, although they are still not the most clear in their relatings. 

 

 

Should Women Be Allowed To Wear Pants

11/9/17;

 

not just that, but can men even wear pants?

or even: can women or men wear just pants?

 

Deu_22:5

 

we do have numerous passages were men wear "breaches" -- so men can wear pants, although it still needs to be established if that is ALL they need to wear in public, since these were under garments for the priests...

-- this is why I used to wear shorts, but, after more research, I stopped...

 

Me were herolds / proclaimers and messengers -- which means that they were socially employed in running from one city to another -- and you have to either have some kind of "pants" and/or you need to be always "girded" in your loins for that type of work.

so how lawful and even biblical is it for men to dress in "Sportswear" -- looks like it is actually Biblical, but WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE???

Nickies are now Biblical? (maybe not...)

 

women are clearly commanded to dress in a long dress!

So can women wear pants when they are commanded to dress in a long dress that reaches their feet??

 

"Nickers" / peddle pushers -- came down to their knees

Judith had under garment of sacloth

women wanted pants so they could rid horses... -- is that right?

then we got to ask if women can drive cars... (many Muslims say no!)

 

men have "scirts"

 

can men wear a dress?

They cannot wear a WOMAN's DRESS

 

 

Song of Songs – Categorical Breakdown of Song of Songs

Content Pending…

 

See:

 

 

Unlawful Romance Shows Us Why We Should Be Trained to Increase in Modesty

 

Unlawful Romance is as intoxicating as Lawful romance

 

Pro_30:18-19 WEB  "There are… things which are too amazing for me… which I don't understand:  19  …the way of a man with a maiden [H5959 a virgin: someone a man can marry]… 20  So is the way of an adulterous woman [someone a man can’t lawfully marry]: She eats and wipes her mouth, And says, 'I have done nothing wrong.'

 

So we see…

The effect of regular love between men and women which is “too amazing” to be “understood” is the same as adulterous love, where she indulges in what does not belong to her and says “I have done nothing wrong.” If we say “I can handle it” we are fooling ourselves and lying against this Scripture which says it’s “…too amazing for me…I don't understand

So how are we different than this example when we romantically involve ourselves with those who do not belong to us and say, “I have done nothing wrong.”?

 

If then, the Bible says regular love works the same way as unlawful romance, then we need to look at other verses too:

 

The Immoral Woman in Proverbs

The Adulteress in Proverbs

Pro_5:3-23; Pro_6:24-26; Pro_7:6-27

 

Pro_6:25      Captivated by beauty (compare Son_7:5)

Pro_6:27-28 It’s like potent “fire” that burns you (Compare Son_8:6)

Pro_7: 13, 21    A man is “caught” and “Forced” (captivated) into it [loss of self-control because of intoxication]

 

 

2Sa_13:1-2  Absalom “Love sick” for sister Tamar (hopefully, we see this is BAD)

 

Yet we still say, “But we love each other” as though this certifies it and makes it a noble and right thing. But we ignore that unlawful romance is just as overcoming as lawful romance in marriage:

 

1Ki_11:2 KJV  Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

 

>SEARCH

where are all of the pasages in Proverbs that mention an immoral woman

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/where-are-all-of-the-pasages-i-az1JJG5aQ1KL.nnTPNN.Nw

 

Proverbs 5&6

 

You become a son of wisdom when you turn aside and listen to her and obey her rules.

Clearly, if you consider someone unwise or do not regard that they have real wisdom then you will not be their son, nor will you inherit the reward of wisdom promised throughout the book of Proverbs, because you will have disqualified yourself from being considered God’s son.

 

Sin-tinted goodness/sweetness is deceptive

Remember we need a Biblical doctrine of sin

Pro_5:3 – immoral woman’s lips drip honey

A fool says because it taste good it is good, not considering that good has been turn to bad through sin

 

A woman is evil enough for sweetening sin before marriage and is doubly evil for losing sweetness after marriage. It is adding insult to injury

Church apostate usually thinks you need to taste the sweetness before you can know if you want to marry someone.

The Morality/Monotheism/Bible puts a headcovering on women to help guard/to protect people from tasting sinful sweetness before/outside of marriage

Warning a disobeyer typically thinks this has nothing to do with headcoverings but an obey acknowledges that this does tie into headcoverings especially in the next chapter

A disobeyer might often say “the deceptive sweetness is only the way her mouth talks but not her appearance” but an obeyer acknowledges that the sinful sweetness includes the way she talks and the way she looks as confirmed in the next chapter

You can say that this deceptive sweetness doesn’t include the way she looks but it doesn’t matter because the next chapter says it does. And Pro_5 is just the introduction of the various descriptions of sinful sweetness outside of marriage

 

 

Pro_5:4

 

“ but in the end” or “afterward” shows us that the sweetness of good things being pre exposed outside of marriage is a sin-crime which makes the experience of goodness temporary and then returns a judgment of rottenness into your bones and ultimately your soul

 

Verse 3 her physically mouth ≈ the 2 edged/mouth sword in verse 4

Her mouth drips with honey in your initial experience but it turns into a double mouth sword in the end

 

Bitter Wormwood

Furthermore, the experience of bitter judgment is culminated in the ultimate judgment of bitterness in the end times against apostate liberal sinners

 

Therefore if you are still sinning with the sweetness of good things outside of marriage from strangers that do not belong to your flesh you are in the camp of the people that are about to be judged by God with ultimate bitterness and total rejection in the end times.

 

Most church people breeze through these verses and don’t take the implications to heart and are not submitting their neck under the yoke of the reality of the implications of what it is actually saying.

 

It’s not time to contextualize the Scriptures right out of the Bible so that you try to pretend like this doesn’t apply to you and your sin which you’re committing right now

 

You’re not allowed to pretend like this only applies to an adulteress because what it actually says is that it is a sin of good beauty that does not belong to you, and that this core principle is why everything is so bad in this chapter with the sinners

 

 

Pro_5:5 tasting sinful sweetness outside of marriage = hell; this is an issue of salvation, don’t be deceive

Fornication = hell on every level

 

Pro_5:6

Sinful sweetness is crooked, not straight, not orthodox in order that through its twist and turns it can introduce evil you can’t foresee

Ever been down one of those twisty slides? It is fun but you can’t see what is below unless you pull yourself out of the context of its twisty infatuation

Tasting sinful sweetness deceives you so you don’t notice you are being destroyed and losing ultimate self-preservation

That is the way all sin work so that you can go to hell

 

It is a remarkable thing that a woman could be committing adultery and various sexual murders and apparently not even know that she is doing it.

 

So to what degree is she innocent because she’s ignorant and to what degree is she guilty because she still should know better and is ignorant because of her choice to “ignore it” and sin.

 

she is guilty and yet there is some sort of expression that she doesn’t perceive what’s actually going on.

 

The MT initially focuses on the aspect that she’s not even thinking about the way of life and therefore she is unaware of what she’s missing out on, and then concludes as a consequence that “she doesn’t know it” (WEB)

 

in this verse the Septuagint describes the scenario more generically by saying her sin is not well known

 

Warning: just as she may be naïve to a certain degree because of her own sloppiness and irresponsibility so also sexual murders of immodesty who expose the beauty of their gender outside of marriage today may indeed suffer from a certain degree of ignorance but it is not enough to excuse or justify them for the crimes of their hateful sexual murders of immodesty and showing off murderous beauty

 

When attraction is going on you don't know what is going on with lust

The only one who understands lust is the one dying to it

 

The way lust works is counterintuitive to the way that you think by default, unless indeed you have been morally educated by the word of God, such as this text.

 

Here we see that the understanding of what’s happening when lust is at hand lacks serious knowledge, and this overall ignorance within the heart and perceptions of those caught in desire is reinforced over and over again throughout the Bible

 

the Bible says you don’t know how to resist lust or how to handle it or what’s going on, so you’re not allowed to attribute wisdom or skill or knowledge or success or salvation to your flesh at any time without obeying every single strict rule the Bible places around purity.

 

You are not stronger than Samson nor wiser then Solomon nor are you able to overcome the ordinance of God that has made the flesh ignorant and incapable and morally bankrupt to make any decisions or skillful salvation regarding immorality.

 

The human race has been completely and thoroughly subjected to a constant input of the will and wisdom of God and the correction and instruction of monotheism in order to escape immorality and it’s straight path to hell.

 

 

 

Pro_5:8 directional sin

 

In other words, flee!

>>Scrip:

like Joseph

and

like Paul commands Timothy in 2Timothy_2:22

 

since the Bible requires you to acknowledge your own ignorance and incapability and lack of strength to resist temptation head on, you are therefore required and commanded (in Pro_5:8 and many other passages), as your only path of deliverance, to run in the opposite direction, not trusting yourself nor thinking you can handle anything but fleeing away from sin and looking into a refuge along with the righteous in 2 timothy_2:22

 

 

Pro_5:9

You don’t want the goodness of the labor of your life going into others

You will sin even if it is accidently if you don’t go the opposite direction

People who say they can handle it are liars because the Bible says you have to go the opposite direction

People who say the headcovering are not needed are liars because the Bible says you have to go the opposite direction of the sweetness of partaking before marriage

It does matter if you think it doesn’t include the way she looks because here after it does say it includes the way she looks

 

“Others”

We are seeing the emphasis on the moral aspect that the people you’re sinning with when partaking of their beauty and unlawfully sin-tainted goodness outside of Biblically lawful marriage is a core root problem of them being someone other than you and your flesh and your family.

 

 

Pro_5:11

The consequences prove the indulgence in sweetness was evil

This is God’s testament against liking sinful sweetness just like Rom_1

 

 

Pro_5:12

When you don’t like to feel guilty then you fall into sexual sins

LXX: speaking words to raise the conscience to an awareness of moral guilt and liability by means of proof

 

 

 

Pro_5:14

The result is a corporate testimony against your sin

 

Notice that there is a complete moral failure being observed by the assembly in proverbs_5:14, whereas in first Corinthians 11 he is commanding and charging you to conform your rogue wild flesh to the canonical standard of the righteous called out assembly so that you win together with her instead of falling and failing before her.

 

All morality, including Headcoverings, is an issue of salvation.

 

 

 

Pro_5:15

Contrasting what belongs to you verses what belongs to others

 

Pro_5:17

It goes back to that concept of yours verses a stranger

 

As it is said of the early church: they had a common table but not a common bed

 

Purity is one of the only things you need to be extremely Exclusive and personal with

 

Wife of Youth: Pro_5:17 & Mal_3

 

You’re not allowed to rejoice in your remarried wife when you have forsaken the wife of your youth, as somewhat described here and as even more explicitly described in Malachi

 

Notice here that the wife of your youth is being held in direct contrast to some other flesh that you do not own, and leads you straight to hell.

 

These passages have told you to flee and run away from sexual sins, which includes divorce and remarriage and you cannot escape hell and find the path of life when you are maintaining and keeping a remarriage which was adulterous.

 

It is therefore extremely clear that maintaining divorce and remarriage leads straight to hell like this so potently teaches and reinforces along with the rest of countless other Bible verses

 

 

Pro_5:

 

Pro_6:

 

Pro_7:5 – MT&LXX: strange woman

Does not belong to you!

Proverbs emphasis on avoiding immorality does capitalize & speak a lot against adultery in particular examples, but it’s root core basis is on a common principle of avoiding a woman who is strange and doesn’t belong to you.

 

Strange comma foreign comma another who does not belong to you

 

These principles form the basis for why you should avoid immorality & The violations of an immoral woman

 

 

If you’re not being kept from her, then you’re not part of monotheistic wosdom

 

 

 

 

 

Pro_7:

Pro_7:7

New / younger one lacking mindfulness

Same vocabulary as 1 & 2nd Timothy

“new” / morally inexperienced can imply mindless

i.e. naive

 

Pro_7:10 it includes her clothes, it does matter if you dismiss the previous chapter for her it mentions her prostituting clothes

Pro_7:13 kissing = done warm affection so sinning outside of marriage = warm affection

Non hiddenness face = the opposite 1Ti_2

Pro_7:14 she is religious, religious church brats do this sins as well

Pro_7:18 she has Disney love which is warm liking which is the same root as her kissing him

Pro_7:19 this is talking about an adulterous woman but she is doing it in the style of a prostitute. Most young developed woman today are not married but they are still doing the same as this prostitute

Pro_7:25 directional sins

Pro_7:

 

 

Pro_9: she sits in a way to be seen

Pro_9:17 is talking about their sweetness of stolen water which should be warfare against

Stolen means you don't own it, and the only way to own sweetness in that sense is in marriage.

LXX hedonistic pleasure is touching in a modifying way

compare Pro_9:17 with Jon_8: the thief of adultery

This is a climax where the fool is enjoying stolen pleasure that is tainted with sin

Notice that immorality kills ie it is sexual murder

 

 

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Clothes Needed Inside and Outside

Don't Take Off Your Clothes Just Because You Come Inside

5/9/19; 4/1/21

 

when going to Aldi I saw an Indian woman at first I was encouraged to see her head covering when going inside but when she got inside she uncovered her head and wore it as a scarf...

...

then it looked like the same thing again when she was walking to Dollar tree...

 

 

Opposition to the Dress Code

The following are presumed upon to oppose the rest of the Bible: Gen_12:14; Gen_24:16; Gen_29:10; 1Sa_1:12

 

 

 

 

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Look through all Bible Notes for veil modesty add-ons

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Greek:

mid-thigh

 

 

 

Dress code:

God made "them" [both] tunics of skin. So although women are covered in this way for more obvious reasons, it is also given to the man to cover his chest along with the women or it would have said, "God made her a tunic, and him some shorts."

Do you see the significance here? God shows that it is also necisary for men to were shirts in all social situations.

What God did with Adam and Eve speaks of the bare minimum for family situations, which says more is required for social situations. If this were not so then why did God give the only man and the only women cloths before anyone else was around?  - This speaks volumes for how we ought to respect our families even in the way we dress. - Remember Noah!

Excluding intimate situations God shows us how to dress

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Hebrews 8

Clothes are a pattern and shadow of (eternal) heavenly things.

They are not a backup plan, but one which was already designed and patterned in heaven for our future benefit, but implemented early to address the problem of our premature exposure to shame.

God had already designed out clothing for Adam and Eve before they sinned, showing us that it was also His original purpose.

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-I should probably quote the confused commentator who thought that we might never have had close if we had not sinned.

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An email that was sent to college students

Tomorrow's memorial for Oscar will be broadcast to his family in Africa via the web.  Therefore, a university official has requested that we observe the following dress code in order to meet Ugandan customs:

 

  Men: Slacks and shirts with collars  (no blue jeans, tee shirts, or shorts)

 

  Women: Dresses at least knee length, no bare shoulders or spaghetti straps  (no pants, no shorts)

 

Thank you for your cooperation and God bless you!  Pastor Steve

 

 

 

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Dress Code

Any more reasearch to do on:

shoulders,

collarbone?

Chest, bosom

 

Partial nakedness called like full with Peter and john >> This means not having your upper gament on!!

 

 

Dressing With exclusivity in mind

Principal of Hidding things for modesty-sake vs. the looseness of the prostitute who "Scaters her gifts to those afar" and how proverbs says, "should your fountain be dispersed in the streets... let them be for you alone"

 

Lev 18:

Familial dress code

 

The natural responce of Adam and Eve after sinning was the shame of their bodies. After having been pure for all of their days, they were otherwise perfectly sensitive to the defilement and sham of sin.  The only way to lack this reponce is to surpass their sin and dullen our harts with pride to not be ashamed of the sin of our bodies.

If you do not properly cover your body, you are not properly acknoledging the same of your sinful flesh, but are glorying in the sin.  This requires pride on our behaf to pretend like we have nothing to be ashamed of, and this is why prostitutes and strippers deal with profound feelings of being degraded.  You can pretend as much as you want, but as long as you glory in shame the degrigation of your body by embracing it's own sinfulness eats you up and brings you to "a loaf of bread." This is why it is said, "the body was not made for fornication but for the Lord..."

We experience this degregation on a smaller but similar skail when we dress imodestly. In the same way, we participate in God's honor and expierance His humility and exhaltation when we persue modesty in faith and the fear of God covering the shame of our bodies.  By faith we can expierance the worth and grweat honor that God bestows upon us when we humly hide ourselves for His exhaltation in the potential of marriage.

"I have storred up many good things..." You are storring anything up when you are showing it off! So on the other hand the prostitute has "scattered abroud..."

The pride of not covering one's body stems from a lack of shame from the sin that has defiled the corrupted flesh.

 

So this is why we should pray. It is a profuond hidden thing in our souls, that immodesty and lust gain their strength from pride. There is untold pride to be freed from when we find ourselves dressing immodestly. Out of dealing with a lot of situation including counciling and figiting immorality in every way, there are some prayers that help change our heart in the right way:

 

Men

Lord I repent of flaunting my masculinity, thinking that I'm strong and impresive.

I repent of mail pride. I repent of wanting to show off and prove that I'm a man.

I repent of wanting to manipulate and take advantage of women. 

I repent of dishonoring women by seeking personal gradification.

 

Women

Lord I repent of flaunting my body, being proud of the way I look and thinking I'm beautyful.

I repent of being a seductress with my dress, and actions.

I repent of wanting men to notice me, and of trying to gain their attention or of trying to controle them with flirtation.

 

Men and Women

Lord (other than marriage) may no one be attracted to me at all whatsoever.

May no one notice me; may no one be attracted to me. May no one like me and may no one flirt with me.

Help me to "treat... younger men as brothers and younger women as sisters with all purity."

(Except for marriage) help me not to flirt with anyone at all whatsoever.

 

 

Look up the Greek root of separate

 

Wiki: head covering

 

Re-translate 1 Cor 11

2 Cor 5 has a lot to do with spiritual clothing

 

John 13 Jesus took only a twel when humbling himself before the disciples. No shirt is ok for men-only groups

 

Add 1st Jn 1 to reading list

 

song of songs

It is very interesting that though Solomen's wife is veiled (6:7), he still notices that she is beautyful including her hair (6:5), her teeth (6:6), and her temples (6:7).

 

For the face

Search out all the uses of temples

 

Though we don't need to dress like priests exactly, we do need to cover likely them, because their covering was based on the principle of nakedness which God defined.

> " The Word of God is established in the heavens forever," -including the clothing-.

 

The Biblical principle of nakedness:

God defines what nakedness is, not our culture.

In spite of our ignorance, God shows us what is best considered nakedness by the people he covers with clothing in the Bible.

 

 

 

Head Coverings

 

Implications behind it

Spiritual Reprocrussions

translaions

 

Greek not about married woman, but is generically about women and men.

 

This is not an issue directly dealing with Heaven or hell, but is one dealing with principals that stop you from going the directions of things that lead you to hell.

 

> Based on creation principals, and has moral consequences

> It's in the OT, so this is obviously what he is refering to!

> It is obvious that he refers to what was already inplace from the OT on into this Corinthian culture.

> He is not inventing something new out of thin air, but is reafirming something very real and present from the OT, and is confirmed to be aplicable in the NT

> "ask for old paths"

> "Make beauutyful as woman of past"

 

What is ment by "because of the angels"?

> don't try the angle of his presence

> angels do service for those who will inherit eternal salvation (Heb_1:14)

> angels are interested in the affairs of men, especially the worship of God.

> Speaking of Serafim

"κατεκλυπτον τ πρσωπον"(Isa_6:2 LXX) - Angels covering thier faces

- The exact same word ("katekalupton") used in the Greek OT

- Where NT gets its vocabulary from

- Where 1 Cor 11 got the word to describe veils for women

- If angels know how to be reverent before God, so should you... especially since they are assembled with you in worshiping God (being present at your meetings)!

 

> What does it do to the man if the woman he is to protect is immodest in some way?

> It shames him:

Lev 18 relational dynamic of flesh; Deu 22: Father's reputation is on the line

"she played the prostitute in her father's house"

 

> When I would take my sis around, is was shameful (disrespectful) to me if she did not dress right.

> How does it look to the brothers of Song of Songs if their sister is dressed immodest?

But on the contrary, what does she say? 'I accept your protection' ('to seal me up for marriage') "I am a wall" (Song_8:8-10).

> Submision is not what an authority does. "I do not submit you"

> Submission is "comming under the protection of someone" - "You have to come under that protection; a protector does not do it for you"

> In this sense, the lack of modesty affects the submission to the protection and authority of men.

> Men who love lust (shame) are not concerned for anyone's well being or dignaty, so these things are unimportant to them.

> Isn't there something inside of sisters that wants brothers that are out to protect them instead of trying to get something out of them?

 

> What does it do to the man if the woman he is to protect is immodest in some way?

> It says to him, "I do not acept you for the purpose you were put in my life for."

> What the woman does with modesty either reflects man's glory, or mares it.

 

Head-Covering is Neglected Now, As the Booths Had Been Then

Neh_8:14, 17 KJ2000  And they found written in the law which the LORD had commanded by Moses, that the children of Israel should dwell in booths in the feast of the seventh month...  17  And all the congregation of them that were come again out of the captivity made booths, and sat under the booths: for since the (i) days of Joshua the son of Nun unto that day had not the children of Israel done so. And there was very great gladness.

 

"Which was almost a thousand years." (1599 Geneva Bible Translation Notes)

 

"...Those who diligently search the Scriptures, find things written there which they have forgotten... Those that understand the scriptures well will still be desirous to understand them better" (Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible)

 

Commanded:

Lev_23:39-43. In Deu_16:13 they were only commanded to keep the feast with gladness.

 

"On former occasions, those who came up to Jerusalem may have regarded this precept as non-essential, and contented themselves by keeping the feast with solemn assemblies, sacrifices, and sacrificial feasts, without making booths and dwelling in them for seven days." (Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> 1st Cor is laced with the idol's temple and the prostitutes that were there

> 1st Cor 6 is about a prostitute with a spiritual joining

 

> No good answer

 

Paul did have in mind prostitute, but even if not, it is still rehtorical.

 

> Why the debate over "woman" vs. "Virgine"

> b/c of early church debate

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Draw out the face principal:

(compare Apostolic Constitutions)

 

- I've read the entire treatese from Turtailian:

 

"Arabia's heathen females will be your judges, who cover not only the head, but the face also "

 

>> "They would rather do without the sight of one eye than to prostitute the whole face"

 

 

"So, too, did the Corinthians themselves understand him. In fact, at this day the Corinthians do veil their virgins (virgines suas Corinthii velant). What the apostles taught, their disciples approve."

 

some say there are reasons for a woman's hair to be the covering.

- Verse 6 says they are different

- all this would mean nothing if hair was the point

- History tells us the Corinthians obeyed and covered!

- The reference to "anti" is pointing to man, not as oposed to the head covering:

directly translated: "the long hair is given, covering her instead [i.e. intead of the man]"

 

"...in the historical context, where cloth headcoverings and veils were so commonly used. Who can suppose that Paul is making no reference to these when he speaks of headcoverings?"

 

Picture is echoed by Turtalian.

 

" In view of the customs of the time—in which many women would go about with their heads covered anyway—we might even say that this whole passage has to do not so much with putting on special coverings for prayer as it does with keeping the head covered for prayer. Probably Paul would prefer that a Christian woman would cover her head whenever in public, or whenever she was in the presence of men outside her own family. This would resemble the practice among Jews and others in Asia Minor at the time..."

 

"and they that are hanged by the hair are unblushing ones which had no modesty and went about in the world bareheaded (γυμνοκεφαλοι)"

 

 

 

 

In the "old days" women dressed in particular ways that may have been significant at the time, it is said, but the times and fashions have changed, so that headcoverings or bare heads no longer signify anything today. Thus the passage is said to be irrelevent. But this dismissal of the passage will not do

 

 

 

"...Christians were not thrown to the lions for their penchant for conformity...."

 

"We must be careful not to let our zeal for knowledge of the culture obscure what is actually said."

 

 

"This is a very dangerous hermeneutical precedent, and I cannot believe that the avoidance of unstylish headcoverings for the ladies is worth the trouble we will get from compromised principles of interpretation."

 

"19. ibid., chapter viii, p. 33. It is indeed hard to understand how anyone could think that this testimony, from about A.D. 200, does not make further discussion of the matter almost useless. Are we to think that after a space of hardly more than a century the Corinthians themselves had forgotten the meaning of Paul's instructions? Indeed, are we to think that the entire Church had promptly forgotten the true meaning, until our own generation of scholars discovered that Paul was not requiring a headcovering? This fantastic idea is the premise upon which the arguments of Hurley and others are based."

 

[http://www.bible-researcher.com/headcoverings.html]

 

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Customs

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"One statement commonly cited as evidence about the headcovering customs of Greek women is in Plutarch's Sayings of Spartans (written during the first century A.D.). Concerning a Spartan he writes, "When someone inquired why they took their girls into public places unveiled, but their married women veiled, he said, 'Because the girls have to find husbands, and the married women have to keep to those who have them!'" (5) "

 

Dress Code Verses:

 

God's arm:

Is 30:30

 

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Is siblings see each other's nakedness, it is a "shamful thing" and wickeness.

Also Shem, Ham, and Japheth

These things renforce the Minimum dresscode.

 

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Isa_47:2 ESV  Take the millstones and grind flour, put off your veil, strip off your robe, uncover your legs, pass through the rivers.

 

 

 

"  After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances. (Leviticus_18:3. cf. also Deuteronomy_12:29-32 and 2 Kings_17:13-15.)"

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"    The LORD has prepared a sacrifice and consecrated his guests ... and on the day of the LORD's sacrifice, I will punish ... all who array themselves in foreign attire. (Zephaniah_1:8)"

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"    Speak to the people of Israel, and tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a cord of blue on the tassel of each corner. And it shall be a tassel for you to look at and remember all the commandments of the LORD, to do them, not to follow after your own heart and your own eyes, which you are inclined to whore after. (Numbers_15:38-39. See also Deuteronomy_22:12, You shall make yourself tassels on the four corners of the garment with which you cover yourself.)"

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hence we read of the hem or border, of his garment (Matt. ix. 20).

 

 

 

As for Jewish women, there is clear evidence that in the first century they covered their heads not only for prayer but whenever they were outside of their own home. It is said that some Jewish women kept themselves covered at all times. In public, they not only covered their heads, but the lower part of their faces as well. For the women this was a matter of morals, and a religious duty, not merely a matter of style or convenience. Joachim Jeremias describes the Jewish custom.

 

 

Messy Statement

"A further problem, which renders much of what has been written on this subject almost worthless, is the failure of many commentators to make any distinction between face-veiling and headcovering in the ancient sources. Oepke writes as if he thought Tertullian had in mind face-veiling when he used the words velum and velo, but this cannot be right. The context must be carefully examined to determine what an ancient writer is referring to with various words for veils and coverings."

 

 

See also the article "Head, Covering of," in the Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 8 (Jerusalem: Keter Publishing House, 1971), in which it is said that one Jewish sage declared that "since Christians generally pray bareheaded, the Jewish prohibition to do so was based on the biblical injunction not to imitate the heathen custom." (p. 5.)

 

 

 

[http://www.bible-researcher.com/headcoverings3.html]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Persuing Honor that is more real than Physical Cloaths

 

There is something defiling about seeking to cover the flesh when it is not the imediate outgroath of longing to be clothed spiritually before God.

[compare Col 2 & 3]

 

If we are not longing to be clothed in His honor when we appear before Him, then we insult His offer as if it were as useless as the world's honor.

 

- we lack so much ambition:

The honor of this world is vain. Therefore we ought to count it as nothing, and shun lusting after it.

But if we lack ambition toward God, then we insult Him by suggesting that His honor and exaltation is vain in the same way the world's honor is vain. We had dare not do this in the name of being "humle" and not wanting to "exalt ourselves".

 

Even if you are trying to be "modest," when you're caughtup in the cloth you exalt fleshly things that are of no value. The care for material clothing is a disrespect to God if the spiritual is being neglected.

 

 

Clothing is not a means to modesty, but a faint representation of it.

If we forget this, we may find ourselves charging people for the exterior, that can be forced without personally pleasing God.

 

- I'm Not talking about not being specific about clothing and how we need to dress.

 

- By saying these things, we do not stop telling people to dress modestly

- We don't start saying that the physical needs are unimportant when we say how much more the spiritual things are needed.

- Though physical imodesty shows there is something wrong, physical modesty alone does not show that there is something right.

- It is not as though we take away from the value, necesity, and implications of physical clothing by these things, but that we burn with indignation against those who would try to take on modesty while still being without concern for the honor of God.

- We hate the disrespecting exterior leagalism of those who are not ambitious toward God's offer of greatness, but think they will come any closer to their own profit by clothing the body.

 

 

- We are talking about not being careful for cloth, but being careful for honor.

Physical Modesty is the least we can do, and is a very small side note that stilll says so much when violated.

- When shamed by removing physical clothing, Jesus "despised the shame" and knew from the Father that He held honor before God, being clothed before Him. Jesus was not fooled by clothing.

For everyone, modest or not:

- If your confidence is in cloth to cloath you, your eagerness toward it is wasted and vain, because it is empty.

 

Physical clothing is a limited representation that can be faked without achieving the goal.

 

 

Thoughts…

 

Love and seek the honor and praise of God

 

Be absorbed in the holy spiritual pursuit of being clothed before God.

It is universal and eternal because it adapts to every culture, always seeking modesty in every context.

It is alive because it will always show up among many different variables and ways of life across every culture.

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Result- clothing the body; this is the least we can do, and better not be the only thing we do.

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Physical modesty must be implemented regardless

Violating modesty laws still hurts would ever society is involved,

Whether or not the heart is right, more modesty means less destruction to society, and less wrath upon it

Forced justice is better than willing chaos

In the same way, forced modesty is better than willingly destroying society with lustfulness

 

 

 

 

Headcovering thoughts

http://www.bible-researcher.com/headcoverings3.html

 

church has it's own customs

- Church was a subculture

- But in this, some are recycled showing that the jewish ones were God's origonal and acurate ideal. This is especially renforced when the OT presents it as an act of righteousness.

 

- Head coverings are not just "marriage" ideals

although he talks of where that thought exsisted in some areas. The early church had started to think this way around the time of Turtalian

 

>> Look up chiton, an imation

 

 

"As for Jewish women, there is clear evidence that in the first century they covered their heads not only for prayer but whenever they were outside of their own home..."

"... In public, they not only covered their heads, but the lower part of their faces as well. For the women this was a matter of morals, and a religious duty, not merely a matter of style or convenience..."

[http://www.bible-researcher.com/headcoverings3.html]

 

crime if women "...went out without face bing hidden..."

 

noting suggesting the face veiling...

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- That is assumed if you are commanding a righteous standard found elseware in the Bible...

- Pluss it says "come down and hide" not just "have it on somehow"

- When angells did this "hiding" it was specifically the face.

- Helanized Jews, or greek reading christians would have read the LXX, and it is the natural idea to think back to how this applyed in the OT. 

The vocabulary defines the NT.

- face veiling "kalumma" is not even used by the angels

 

> is it used for Moses?

 

"it does mean thourowly covered"

> "down" + "Hidden"

 

Jewish customs are not "customs," they are fequently banners of righteousness

 

 

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AyThu_11:31am

@Hd verifying just incase: is the posture currently that male police officers/like the priests can unveil a female to identify her?

 

It's a huge building and I wonder if they have security checks and just in case that comes up that someone might need to verify my identity since female security guards are more rare.

Daily security checks* at entrance

 

AlThu_11:34am

To get out of being suspect for a crime seems different than a casual, commonplace everyday verification...

 

AyThu_11:34am

 

AyThu_11:39am

@Hd and my actual work ID, if i likely have one, doesn't have to look like my license but be fully veiled? I wonder if they'll wonder about the inconsistency that I can have a more revealed license that they can photo copy but not give them the same amount of identification on a work ID

i was gonna ask these questions later but gearing up to understand postures more now so I can speak clearly about my options if asked.

 

HdThu_11:40am(edited)

We don't mind commonly unveiling our women's faces to females for identification purposes, hence there is a consistency with showing a license or a badge to females, and likewise there is an inconsistency if someone were to want a badge clipped onto your vest that did not have a veil

 

AyThu_11:44am

oh ok. does that also mean that giving them my license to be copied and stored in my files as part of my hiring documentation is not as commonplace as walking around with a badge.

so that's the reason why I'll take a license phone less veiled,

 

HdThu_11:44am

That is true, but even then we prefer to blur out photocopies that are stored in files since unbelievers are not likely to make sure that these documents are restricted to females

 

VcThu_11:45am

Yes, sending them now

 

Al said:

@Vc are you able to briefly send someone to relocate something to cove for me?

 

 

HdThu_11:46am

@Ay: when we take photo licenses we prefer that only women take the pictures, although we know that breaches can be made that are beyond our control after that picture is taken.

 

If we have control of things, we prefer to blur pictures out...

New Messages

 

AyThu_11:48am

oh ok. So if they wanted me to remove the shadings/blurrings on my license per se so they can copy it, it would be OK in this case (as long as it's a female copying it)?

(my forehead was mostly already covered in original picture. but eyes and rest of face aren't)

 

HdThu_11:53am

As I said previously, I would prefer not to when we have more control over the situation.

Furthermore, if they are not a police officer or something like that, they have less social perogative to do such things.

 

HdThu_11:58am

There may be other exceptions and scenarios but I don't have an answer for most of those. The only boundary that I am aware of is authorities that are sufficiently authoritative such as an officer of some type.

 

It could be argued that a business is like a miniature City and those who run this city are officers, but I don't have much of any way to answer that. I think I would not go along with non police-like people trying to copy photos of women.

 

AyThu 12:00pm

Sounds good thank you great wise protecting Sir

 

HdThu 12:02pm

If there are police people who insist on things I may not have the strength or authority to stop them, but if people insist that other people are validly concerned with verifying your identity then the ball is in their court and they need to prove from the Bible (yes the Bible is the ultimate standard for everyone no matter what they believe) why they have a perogative to do so.

 

In any case, everything can be easily accommodated by a female verifying your identity and no one has a real reason in most cases to have a photocopy picture of your face with the shading removed.

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Revelation 3 – You are Wretched!

Rev_3:17 CAB  Because [ὅτι] you say [that (ὅτι)], 'I am wealthy [or Rich] [Πλούσιός (same as SOM, etc.)], and have become [wealthy] rich [πεπλούτηκα], and have need of nothing'--and do not [οὐκ] know [οἶδας] that you are wretched [ταλαίπωρος – i.e. wretchedly afflicted / afflicted with wretchedness], [and (καὶ)] miserable [ἐλεεινὸς – lit. mercy-able / (worthy of) mercy; i.e. pitiful/miserable], [and (καὶ)] poor [πτωχὸς], [and (καὶ)] blind [τυφλὸς], and [καὶ] naked [γυμνός],

Rev_3:17  ὅτι λέγεις ὅτι Πλούσιός εἰμι καὶ πεπλούτηκα καὶ οὐδὲν χρείαν ἔχω, καὶ οὐκ οἶδας ὅτι σὺ εἶ ὁ ταλαίπωρος καὶ ἐλεεινὸς καὶ πτωχὸς καὶ τυφλὸς καὶ γυμνός,

Rev_3:18 I counsel [συμβουλεύω] you to buy [ἀγοράσαι] from [παρ᾿ – next to] Me gold having been ·tried by fire [πεπυρωμένον ἐκ πυρὸς – i.e. fired out of fire], so that you may become rich [πλουτήσῃς (see: 1Co_4:8)]; and white robes [ἱμάτια λευκὰ], so that ·you may be clothed [περιβάλῃ], and the shame [ἡ αἰσχύνη] of your nakedness [τῆς γυμνότητός σου] may not appear [φανερωθῇ]; and ·eye salve [κολλούριον], so that you may anoint [ἔγχρισον] your eyes, ·in order that you may see [ἵνα βλέπῃς].

Rev_3:18  συμβουλεύω σοι ἀγοράσαι παρ᾿ ἐμοῦ χρυσίον πεπυρωμένον ἐκ πυρὸς ἵνα πλουτήσῃς, καὶ ἱμάτια λευκὰ ἵνα περιβάλῃ καὶ μὴ φανερωθῇ ἡ αἰσχύνη τῆς γυμνότητός σου, καὶ κολλούριον ἔγχρισον τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς σου ἵνα βλέπῃς.

Rev_3:19 ·As many as I love [warmly like] [ἐγὼ ὅσους ἐὰν φιλῶ], I rebuke [ἐλέγχω – word (into) convincing conviction] and discipline [παιδεύω]. ·Be zealous [ζήλευε] therefore [οὖν], and repent [μετανόησον].

Rev_3:19  ἐγὼ ὅσους ἐὰν φιλῶ, ἐλέγχω καὶ παιδεύω· ζήλευε οὖν καὶ μετανόησον.

>> Sync: LUX | Pur | DBC

 

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Icons, statues, Images, Pictures of the crucifixion are pornographic

Although, in one sense, indeed, unknowingly breaking a law, yet they are wrong.

And in another sense, God had already said “no images” so if we had obeyed this we would not have become breakers of the law.

 

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You Can Take a Poor MAN’s Clothing, you just got to give it back at sunset.

But don’t you dare even think about taking a poor widow’s clothes for a pledge!

 

Deu_24:10 WEB  When you do lend your neighbor any manner of loan, you shall not go into his house to get his pledge.

Deu_24:10 LB  “If your neighbor owes you a debt, any debt whatsoever, you shall not go into his house to take his pledge:

Deu_24:10  Ἐὰν ὀφείλημα ᾖ ἐν τῷ πλησίον σου, ὀφείλημα ὁτιοῦν, οὐκ εἰσελεύσῃ εἰς τὴν οἰκίαν αὐτοῦ ἐνεχυράσαι τὸ ἐνέχυρον·

Deu_24:11 WEB  You shall stand outside, and the man to whom you do lend shall bring forth the pledge outside to you.

Deu_24:11 you shall stand outside, and the man who is in your debt shall bring the pledge out to you.

Deu_24:11  ἔξω στήσῃ, καὶ ὁ ἄνθρωπος, οὗ τὸ δάνειόν σού ἐστιν ἐν αὐτῷ, ἐξοίσει σοι τὸ ἐνέχυρον ἔξω.

Deu_24:12 WEB  If he be a poor man, you shall not sleep with his pledge;

Deu_24:12 And if the man is poor, you shall not keep his pledge overnight.

Deu_24:12  ἐὰν δὲ ὁ ἄνθρωπος πένηται, οὐ κοιμηθήσῃ ἐν τῷ ἐνεχύρῳ αὐτοῦ·

Deu_24:13 WEB  you shall surely restore to him the pledge when the sun goes down, that he may sleep in his garment, and bless you: and it shall be righteousness to you before Yahweh your God.

Deu_24:13 You shall surely restore his pledge at sunset, and he shall sleep in his own cloak, and he shall bless you; and it shall be mercy to you before the Lord your God.

Deu_24:13  ἀποδόσει ἀποδώσεις τὸ ἐνέχυρον αὐτοῦ περὶ δυσμὰς ἡλίου, καὶ κοιμηθήσεται ἐν τῷ ἱματίῳ αὐτοῦ καὶ εὐλογήσει σε, καὶ ἔσται σοι ἐλεημοσύνη ἐναντίον κυρίου τοῦ θεοῦ σου.

 

 

Deu_24:17 WEB  You shall not wrest the justice due to the foreigner, or to the fatherless, nor take the widow's clothing to pledge;

Deu_24:17 LB  You shall not pervert the judgment of the stranger and the fatherless, and the widow; you shall not take the widow's garment for a pledge.

Deu_24:17  Οὐκ ἐκκλινεῖς κρίσιν προσηλύτου καὶ ὀρφανοῦ καὶ χήρας καὶ οὐκ ἐνεχυράσεις ἱμάτιον χήρας·

 

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Deu_22:30 WEB  A man shall not take his father's wife, and shall not uncover his father's skirt.

TAR: XXIII. A man should not take a wife who is bowed down (or violated), or who hath had intercourse with his father, much less his father's wife, nor disclose the skirt that covereth his father.

Deu_22:30 CAB  A man shall not take his father's wife, and shall not uncover his father's skirt.

Deu_22:30  (23:1) Οὐ λήμψεται ἄνθρωπος τὴν γυναῖκα τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ καὶ οὐκ ἀποκαλύψει συγκάλυμμα τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ.

>> Sync: DRRR | BDC (Deu_22:30)

 

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Ay: Single Midwives Delivered Male Babies?

9/3/17

 

 

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When Something is Holy, You Cover it!

5/26/17; 4/16/25

 

Num_4:5 WEB  When the camp moves forward, Aaron shall go in, and his sons, and they shall take down the veil of the screen, and cover the ark of the Testimony with it,

Num_4:5 LB And Aaron and his sons shall go in, when the camp is about to move, and shall take down the shadowing veil, and they shall cover with it the ark of the Testimony.

Num_4:5  καὶ εἰσελεύσεται Ααρων καὶ οἱ υἱοὶ αὐτοῦ, ὅταν ἐξαίρῃ ἡ παρεμβολή, καὶ καθελοῦσιν τὸ καταπέτασμα τὸ συσκιάζον καὶ κατακαλύψουσιν ἐν αὐτῷ τὴν κιβωτὸν τοῦ μαρτυρίου

Num_4:6 WEB  and shall put a covering of sealskin on it, and shall spread over it a cloth all of blue, and shall put in its poles.

Num_4:6 And they shall put a cover on it of blue skin, a garment of all blue, and they shall put the poles through the rings.

Num_4:6  καὶ ἐπιθήσουσιν ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸ κατακάλυμμα δέρμα ὑακίνθινον καὶ ἐπιβαλοῦσιν ἐπ᾿ αὐτὴν ἱμάτιον ὅλον ὑακίνθινον ἄνωθεν καὶ διεμβαλοῦσιν τοὺς ἀναφορεῖς.

Num_4:7 WEB  On the table of show bread they shall spread a blue cloth, and put on it the dishes, the spoons, the bowls, and the cups with which to pour out; and the continual bread shall be on it.

Num_4:7 And they shall put on the table set forth for showbread a cloth all of purple, and the dishes, and the censers, and the cups, and the vessels with which one offers drink offerings; and the continual loaves shall be upon it.

Num_4:7  καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν τράπεζαν τὴν προκειμένην ἐπιβαλοῦσιν ἐπ᾿ αὐτὴν ἱμάτιον ὁλοπόρφυρον καὶ τὰ τρυβλία καὶ τὰς θυίσκας καὶ τοὺς κυάθους καὶ τὰ σπονδεῖα, ἐν οἷς σπένδει, καὶ οἱ ἄρτοι οἱ διὰ παντὸς ἐπ᾿ αὐτῆς ἔσονται.

Num_4:8 WEB  They shall spread on them a scarlet cloth, and cover the same with a covering of sealskin, and shall put in its poles.

Num_4:8 And they shall put upon it a scarlet cloth, and they shall cover it with a blue covering of skin, and they shall put the poles into it.

Num_4:8  καὶ ἐπιβαλοῦσιν ἐπ᾿ αὐτὴν ἱμάτιον κόκκινον καὶ καλύψουσιν αὐτὴν καλύμματι δερματίνῳ ὑακινθίνῳ καὶ διεμβαλοῦσιν δι᾿ αὐτῆς τοὺς ἀναφορεῖς.

Num_4:9 WEB  They shall take a blue cloth, and cover the lampstand of the light, and its lamps, and its snuffers, and its snuff dishes, and all its oil vessels, with which they minister to it.

Num_4:9 And they shall take a blue covering, and cover the lampstand that gives light, and its lamps, and its snuffers, and its funnels, and all the vessels of oil with which they minister.

Num_4:9  καὶ λήμψονται ἱμάτιον ὑακίνθινον καὶ καλύψουσιν τὴν λυχνίαν τὴν φωτίζουσαν καὶ τοὺς λύχνους αὐτῆς καὶ τὰς λαβίδας αὐτῆς καὶ τὰς ἐπαρυστρίδας αὐτῆς καὶ πάντα τὰ ἀγγεῖα τοῦ ἐλαίου, οἷς λειτουργοῦσιν ἐν αὐτοῖς,

Num_4:10 WEB  They shall put it and all its vessels within a covering of sealskin, and shall put it on the frame.

Num_4:10 And they shall put it, and all its vessels, into a blue skin cover; and they shall put it on bearers.

Num_4:10  καὶ ἐμβαλοῦσιν αὐτὴν καὶ πάντα τὰ σκεύη αὐτῆς εἰς κάλυμμα δερμάτινον ὑακίνθινον καὶ ἐπιθήσουσιν αὐτὴν ἐπ᾿ ἀναφορέων.

Num_4:11 WEB  On the golden altar they shall spread a blue cloth, and cover it with a covering of sealskin, and shall put in its poles.

Num_4:11 And they shall put a blue cloth for a cover on the golden altar, and shall cover it with a blue skin cover, and put in its poles.

Num_4:11  καὶ ἐπὶ τὸ θυσιαστήριον τὸ χρυσοῦν ἐπικαλύψουσιν ἱμάτιον ὑακίνθινον καὶ καλύψουσιν αὐτὸ καλύμματι δερματίνῳ ὑακινθίνῳ καὶ διεμβαλοῦσιν τοὺς ἀναφορεῖς αὐτοῦ.

Num_4:12 WEB  They shall take all the vessels of ministry, with which they minister in the sanctuary, and put them in a blue cloth, and cover them with a covering of sealskin, and shall put them on the frame.

Num_4:12 And they shall take all the instruments of service, with which they minister in the sanctuary: and shall place them in a cloth of blue, and shall cover them with blue skin covering, and put them upon poles.

Num_4:12  καὶ λήμψονται πάντα τὰ σκεύη τὰ λειτουργικά, ὅσα λειτουργοῦσιν ἐν αὐτοῖς ἐν τοῖς ἁγίοις, καὶ ἐμβαλοῦσιν εἰς ἱμάτιον ὑακίνθινον καὶ καλύψουσιν αὐτὰ καλύμματι δερματίνῳ ὑακινθίνῳ καὶ ἐπιθήσουσιν ἐπὶ ἀναφορεῖς.

Num_4:13 WEB  They shall take away the ashes from the altar, and spread a purple cloth on it.

Num_4:13 And he shall put the covering on the altar, and they shall cover it with a cloth all of purple.

Num_4:13  καὶ τὸν καλυπτῆρα ἐπιθήσει ἐπὶ τὸ θυσιαστήριον, καὶ ἐπικαλύψουσιν ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸ ἱμάτιον ὁλοπόρφυρον

Num_4:14 WEB  They shall put on it all its vessels, with which they minister about it, the fire pans, the flesh hooks, the shovels, and the basins; all the vessels of the altar; and they shall spread on it a covering of sealskin, and put in its poles.

Num_4:14 And they shall put upon it all the vessels with which they minister upon it, and the firepans, and the flesh-hooks, and the cups, and the cover, and all the vessels of the altar; and they shall put on it a blue cover of skins, and shall put in its poles; and they shall take a purple cloth, and cover the laver and its foot, and they shall put it into a blue cover of skin, and put it on bars.

Num_4:14  καὶ ἐπιθήσουσιν ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸ πάντα τὰ σκεύη, ὅσοις λειτουργοῦσιν ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸ ἐν αὐτοῖς, καὶ τὰ πυρεῖα καὶ τὰς κρεάγρας καὶ τὰς φιάλας καὶ τὸν καλυπτῆρα καὶ πάντα τὰ σκεύη τοῦ θυσιαστηρίου· καὶ ἐπιβαλοῦσιν ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸ κάλυμμα δερμάτινον ὑακίνθινον καὶ διεμβαλοῦσιν τοὺς ἀναφορεῖς αὐτοῦ· καὶ λήμψονται ἱμάτιον πορφυροῦν καὶ συγκαλύψουσιν τὸν λουτῆρα καὶ τὴν βάσιν αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐμβαλοῦσιν αὐτὰ εἰς κάλυμμα δερμάτινον ὑακίνθινον καὶ ἐπιθήσουσιν ἐπὶ ἀναφορεῖς.

Num_4:15 WEB  "When Aaron and his sons have finished covering the sanctuary, and all the furniture of the sanctuary, as the camp moves forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to carry it: but they shall not touch the sanctuary, lest they die. These things are the burden of the sons of Kohath in the Tent of Meeting.

Num_4:15 And Aaron and his sons shall finish covering the holy things, and all the holy vessels, when the camp begins to move; and afterwards the sons of Kohath shall go in to take up the furniture; but shall not touch the holy things, lest they die: these shall the sons of Kohath bear in the tabernacle of witness.

Num_4:15  καὶ συντελέσουσιν Ααρων καὶ οἱ υἱοὶ αὐτοῦ καλύπτοντες τὰ ἅγια καὶ πάντα τὰ σκεύη τὰ ἅγια ἐν τῷ ἐξαίρειν τὴν παρεμβολήν, καὶ μετὰ ταῦτα εἰσελεύσονται υἱοὶ Κααθ αἴρειν καὶ οὐχ ἅψονται τῶν ἁγίων, ἵνα μὴ ἀποθάνωσιν· ταῦτα ἀροῦσιν οἱ υἱοὶ Κααθ ἐν τῇ σκηνῇ τοῦ μαρτυρίου. --

Num_4:15 WEB  "When Aaron and his sons have finished covering the sanctuary, and all the furniture of the sanctuary, as the camp moves forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to carry it: but they shall not touch the sanctuary, lest they die. These things are the burden of the sons of Kohath in the Tent of Meeting.

Num_4:15 And Aaron and his sons shall finish covering the holy things, and all the holy vessels, when the camp begins to move; and afterwards the sons of Kohath shall go in to take up the furniture; but shall not touch the holy things, lest they die: these shall the sons of Kohath bear in the tabernacle of witness.

Num_4:15  καὶ συντελέσουσιν Ααρων καὶ οἱ υἱοὶ αὐτοῦ καλύπτοντες τὰ ἅγια καὶ πάντα τὰ σκεύη τὰ ἅγια ἐν τῷ ἐξαίρειν τὴν παρεμβολήν, καὶ μετὰ ταῦτα εἰσελεύσονται υἱοὶ Κααθ αἴρειν καὶ οὐχ ἅψονται τῶν ἁγίων, ἵνα μὴ ἀποθάνωσιν· ταῦτα ἀροῦσιν οἱ υἱοὶ Κααθ ἐν τῇ σκηνῇ τοῦ μαρτυρίου. --

 

 

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Women and Other Related Women? – Mothers, Daughters, etc

4/9/17; 4/15/17

 

women with mothers and sisters?

 

Lev_18:6 WEB  " 'None of you shall approach anyone who are his close relatives, to uncover their nakedness: I am Yahweh.

Lev_18:6 LB  ‘No man shall draw near to any of his relatives to uncover their nakedness; I am the Lord.

Lev_18:6  Ἄνθρωπος ἄνθρωπος πρὸς πάντα οἰκεῖα σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ οὐ προσελεύσεται ἀποκαλύψαι ἀσχημοσύνην· ἐγὼ κύριος.

Lev_18:7 WEB  " 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, nor the nakedness of your mother: she is your mother. You shall not uncover her nakedness.

Lev_18:7 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, or the nakedness of your mother, for she is your mother; you shall not uncover her nakedness.

Lev_18:7  ἀσχημοσύνην πατρός σου καὶ ἀσχημοσύνην μητρός σου οὐκ ἀποκαλύψεις· μήτηρ γάρ σού ἐστιν, καὶ οὐκ ἀποκαλύψεις τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην αὐτῆς.

 

 

Lev_18:6 WEB  " 'None of you shall approach anyone who are his close relatives, to uncover their nakedness: I am Yahweh.

Lev_18:6 LB ‘No man shall draw near to any of his relatives to uncover their nakedness; I am the Lord.

Lev_18:6  Ἄνθρωπος ἄνθρωπος πρὸς πάντα οἰκεῖα σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ οὐ προσελεύσεται ἀποκαλύψαι ἀσχημοσύνην· ἐγὼ κύριος.

 

 

Lev_18:17 WEB  " 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter. You shall not take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; they are near kinswomen: it is wickedness.

Lev_18:17 LB  The nakedness of a woman and her daughter shall you not uncover; her son's daughter, and her daughter's daughter, shall you not take, to uncover their nakedness, for they are your kinswomen: it is impiety.

Lev_18:17  ἀσχημοσύνην γυναικὸς καὶ θυγατρὸς αὐτῆς οὐκ ἀποκαλύψεις· τὴν θυγατέρα τοῦ υἱοῦ αὐτῆς καὶ τὴν θυγατέρα τῆς θυγατρὸς αὐτῆς οὐ λήμψῃ ἀποκαλύψαι τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην αὐτῶν· οἰκεῖαι γάρ σού εἰσιν, ἀσέβημά ἐστιν.

Lev_18:18 WEB  " 'You shall not take a wife to her sister, to be a rival, to uncover her nakedness, while her sister is yet alive.

Lev_18:18 You shall not take a wife in addition to her sister, as a rival, to uncover her nakedness in opposition to her, while she is yet living.

Lev_18:18  γυναῖκα ἐπὶ ἀδελφῇ αὐτῆς οὐ λήμψῃ ἀντίζηλον ἀποκαλύψαι τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην αὐτῆς ἐπ᾿ αὐτῇ ἔτι ζώσης αὐτῆς.

Lev_20:19 WEB  " 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister, nor of your father's sister; for he has made naked his close relative: they shall bear their iniquity.

Lev_20:19 And you shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's sister, or of the sister of your mother; for that man has uncovered the nakedness of a close relative: they shall bear their iniquity.

Lev_20:19  καὶ ἀσχημοσύνην ἀδελφῆς πατρός σου καὶ ἀδελφῆς μητρός σου οὐκ ἀποκαλύψεις· τὴν γὰρ οἰκειότητα ἀπεκάλυψεν, ἁμαρτίαν ἀποίσονται.

 

Lev_20:14 WEB  " 'If a man takes a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burned with fire, both he and they; that there may be no wickedness among you.

Lev_20:14 LB  Whosoever shall take a woman and her mother, it is iniquity: they shall burn him and them with fire; so there shall not be iniquity among you.

Lev_20:14  ὃς ἐὰν λάβῃ γυναῖκα καὶ τὴν μητέρα αὐτῆς, ἀνόμημά ἐστιν· ἐν πυρὶ κατακαύσουσιν αὐτὸν καὶ αὐτάς, καὶ οὐκ ἔσται ἀνομία ἐν ὑμῖν.

 

 

Isa_20:3 WEB  Yahweh said, "As my servant Isaiah has walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and a wonder concerning Egypt and concerning Ethiopia,

Isa_20:3 LB  And the Lord said, “As My servant Isaiah has walked naked and barefoot three years, there shall be three years for signs and wonders to the Egyptians and Ethiopians;

Isa_20:3  καὶ εἶπεν κύριος Ὃν τρόπον πεπόρευται Ησαιας ὁ παῖς μου γυμνὸς καὶ ἀνυπόδετος τρία ἔτη, ἔσται σημεῖα καὶ τέρατα τοῖς Αἰγυπτίοις καὶ Αἰθίοψιν·

Isa_20:4 WEB  so the king of Assyria will lead away the captives of Egypt and the exiles of Ethiopia, young and old, naked and barefoot, and with buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.

Isa_20:4 for thus shall the king of the Assyrians lead the captivity of Egypt and the Ethiopians, young men and old, naked and barefoot, having the shame of Egypt exposed.

Isa_20:4  ὅτι οὕτως ἄξει βασιλεὺς Ἀσσυρίων τὴν αἰχμαλωσίαν Αἰγύπτου καὶ Αἰθιόπων, νεανίσκους καὶ πρεσβύτας, γυμνοὺς καὶ ἀνυποδέτους ἀνακεκαλυμμένους τὴν αἰσχύνην Αἰγύπτου.

Isa_20:5 WEB  They will be dismayed and confounded, because of Ethiopia their expectation, and of Egypt their glory.

Isa_20:5 And the Egyptians, being defeated, shall be ashamed of the Ethiopians, in whom they had trusted; for they were their glory.

Isa_20:5  καὶ αἰσχυνθήσονται ἡττηθέντες οἱ Αἰγύπτιοι ἐπὶ τοῖς Αἰθίοψιν, ἐφ᾿ οἷς ἦσαν πεποιθότες οἱ Αἰγύπτιοι, ἦσαν γὰρ αὐτοῖς δόξα .

 

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3/30/17

 

NAKED CHRISTIANS

Jeremiah S. Rose

 

Many men wear tight pants that show all their body off. It is not of God. From a bibical standpoint, God clothed men and women in animal skins [Kethoneth, i.e. tunics, long robes] (Genesis_3:21). Adam and Eve clothed themselves in a loin cloth (Genesis_3:7). God was not pleased. So he covered their nakedness. Isaiah_47:1-3 lets us know what God considers nakedness.

 

Many women wear tight pants. It is not of God. It is not modest. Many even wear yoga pants. When women wear them, it is just like they are spray painting their naked bodies. There is not shame. Many do not blush. They are rather proud of their naked bodies.

 

It is the same when women wear pants. Many are desensitized, because of our immodest culture. After Adam and Eve sinned, they covered their nakedness -- well at least their groin area. Yet, people that claim to have the Holy Spirit reject God's biblical design of modesty for they expose themselves and wear tight clothing that reveals their shape and areas that should be concealed for God and their spouse.

 

Before the fall, men and women were naked. After the fall, God put tunics on men and women. During the time of Moses, men wore long garments that covered their body. So did women. During the time of King David, men and women wore tunics/robes. During the time of the Apostles, Jews wore long clothing that covered their bodies. Even till the time of Protestant Reformation, we can see pictures of men wearing long robes. And after the saints are redeemed, God will put us in long robes. Our bodies will be covered for our God for our God is holy.

 

According to the holy bible, most men and women of today are naked.

 

Are you naked, according to the word of God?

It is not about how you feel. It is about what the scriptures say

 

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3/9/17

http://rickthomas.net/men-are-tempted-to-lust-women-are-tempted-to-be-lusted-after/

 

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~2001-2004; 3/4/17 (recompiled)

 

1Ti_2:9

 

"not3361 with1722 broided hair4117"

 

3361 - Greek

 

3361  me  may

 

a primary particle of qualified negation (whereas 3756 expresses an absolute denial); (adverb) not, 3756 - Greek

 

The word not used:

3756  ou    oo, also (before a vowel)       ouk   ook, and (before an aspirate)       ouch  ookh

a primary word; the absolute negative (compare 3361) adverb; no or not:--+ long, nay, neither, never, no (X man), none, (can-)not, + nothing, + special, un(-worthy), when, + without, + yet but. See also 3364, 3372.

 

 

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1/31/17

 

2Co_3:7 CAB  Now if the ministry of death, having been engraved in letters on stones, came to be with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently into the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, the glory which was passing away,

2Co_3:7  Εἰ δὲ ἡ διακονία τοῦ θανάτου ἐν γράμμασιν ἐντετυπωμένη ἐν λίθοις ἐγενήθη ἐν δόξῃ, ὥστε μὴ δύνασθαι ἀτενίσαι τοὺς υἱοὺς ᾿Ισραὴλ εἰς τὸ πρόσωπον Μωϋσέως διὰ τὴν δόξαν τοῦ προσώπου αὐτοῦ τὴν καταργουμένην,

2Co_3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?

2Co_3:8  πῶς οὐχὶ μᾶλλον ἡ διακονία τοῦ πνεύματος ἔσται ἐν δόξῃ;

2Co_3:9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

2Co_3:9  εἰ γὰρ ἡ διακονίᾳ τῆς κατακρίσεως δόξα, πολλῷ μᾶλλον περισσεύει ἡ διακονία τῆς δικαιοσύνης ἐν δόξῃ.

2Co_3:10 For even that which has been glorified has not been glorified in this respect, because of the surpassing glory.

2Co_3:10  καὶ γὰρ οὐ δεδόξασται τὸ δεδοξασμένον ἐν τούτῳ τῷ μέρει ἕνεκεν τῆς ὑπερβαλλούσης δόξης.

2Co_3:11 For if that which passes away was glorious, then that which remains is much more glorious.

2Co_3:11  εἰ γὰρ τὸ καταργούμενον διὰ δόξης, πολλῷ μᾶλλον τὸ μένον ἐν δόξῃ.

2Co_3:12 Therefore, having such hope, we use great boldness of speech--

2Co_3:12  ῎Εχοντες οὖν τοιαύτην ἐλπίδα πολλῇ παρρησίᾳ χρώμεθα,

2Co_3:13  and not as Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the end of what was passing away.

2Co_3:13  καὶ οὐ καθάπερ Μωϋσῆς ἐτίθει κάλυμμα ἐπὶ τὸ πρόσωπον ἑαυτοῦ πρὸς τὸ μὴ ἀτενίσαι τοὺς υἱοὺς ᾿Ισραὴλ εἰς τὸ τέλος τοῦ καταργουμένου.

2Co_3:14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is removed in Christ.

2Co_3:14  ἀλλ᾿ ἐπωρώθη τὰ νοήματα αὐτῶν. ἄχρι γὰρ τῆς σήμερον τὸ αὐτὸ κάλυμμα ἐπὶ τῇ ἀναγνώσει τῆς παλαιᾶς διαθήκης μένει, μὴ ἀνακαλυπτόμενον ὅτι ἐν Χριστῷ καταργεῖται,

2Co_3:15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.

2Co_3:15  ἀλλ᾿ ἕως σήμερον, ἡνίκα ἀναγινώσκηται Μωϋσῆς, κάλυμμα ἐπὶ τὴν καρδίαν αὐτῶν κεῖται·

2Co_3:16 But whenever one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

2Co_3:16  ἡνίκα δ᾿ ἂν ἐπιστρέψῃ πρὸς Κύριον, περιαιρεῖται τὸ κάλυμμα.

2Co_3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

2Co_3:17  ὁ δὲ Κύριος τὸ Πνεῦμά ἐστιν· οὗ δὲ τὸ Πνεῦμα Κυρίου, ἐκεῖ ἐλευθερία.

2Co_3:18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

2Co_3:18  ἡμεῖς δὲ πάντες ἀνακεκαλυμμένῳ προσώπῳ τὴν δόξαν Κυρίου κατοπτριζόμενοι τὴν αὐτὴν εἰκόνα μεταμορφούμεθα ἀπὸ δόξης εἰς δόξαν, καθάπερ ἀπὸ Κυρίου Πνεύματος.

 

Exo_35:9 WEB  onyx stones, and stones to be set for the ephod and for the breastplate.

Exo_35:9 LB sardine stones, and stones for engraving for the ephod and the full-length robe.

Exo_35:9  καὶ λίθους σαρδίου καὶ λίθους εἰς τὴν γλυφὴν εἰς τὴν ἐπωμίδα καὶ τὸν ποδήρη.

 

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1/15/17

 

Exo_29:8 WEB  You shall bring his sons, and put coats on them.

Exo_29:8 LB and you shall bring his sons, and put garments on them.

Exo_29:8  καὶ τοὺς υἱοὺς αὐτοῦ προσάξεις καὶ ἐνδύσεις αὐτοὺς χιτῶνας

Exo_29:9 WEB  You shall dress them with belts, Aaron and his sons, and bind headbands on them: and they shall have the priesthood by a perpetual statute: and you shall consecrate Aaron and his sons.

Exo_29:9 And you shall gird them with sashes, and put the hats upon them, and they shall have a priestly office unto Me forever; and you shall fill the hands of Aaron and the hands of his sons.

Exo_29:9  καὶ ζώσεις αὐτοὺς ταῖς ζώναις καὶ περιθήσεις αὐτοῖς τὰς κιδάρεις, καὶ ἔσται αὐτοῖς ἱερατεία ἐμοὶ εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα. καὶ τελειώσεις τὰς χεῖρας Ααρων καὶ τὰς χεῖρας τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ.

 

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Long Robe

1/8/17

 

Exo_25:7 WEB  onyx stones, and stones to be set for the ephod and for the breastplate.

Exo_25:7 CAB  and sardius stones, and stones for the carved work of the breastplate, and the full-length robe [ποδήρη].

Exo_25:7  καὶ λίθους σαρδίου καὶ λίθους εἰς τὴν γλυφὴν εἰς τὴν ἐπωμίδα καὶ τὸν ποδήρη.

>> find all refs!!

 

Exo_29:8 WEB  You shall bring his sons, and put coats on them.

Exo_29:8 CAB  and you shall bring his sons, and put garments [χιτῶνας] on them.

Exo_29:8  καὶ τοὺς υἱοὺς αὐτοῦ προσάξεις καὶ ἐνδύσεις αὐτοὺς χιτῶνας\

 

Adam & the Priestly Dress Code

1/8/17; 4/6/17

 

Exo_28:3-4, ect. Exo_28:32, Exo_28:39-40, Exo_28:42-43

 

Lev_16:23-24

Lev_16:32

 

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Why Our Head Coverings Need History

1/5/17

 

In exodus 25 and onward, God tells Moses a pattern to make the tabernacle.

 

Concerning almost everything, from the lamp stand to the temple to the altar, there are lots of various interpretations and ideas of what could be described to Moses.

 

As Adam Clark says concerning the alter, “Even on this there is a great variety of opinions.”

(Clark on Exodus_27:4)

 

Two resolve most of these conflicts we can actually look at history and see what they actually did to paint a more accurate, and even Biblical, ideal of what the tabernacle and temple actually looked like.

 

We are willing to do this to improve our understanding, and we rejoiced when we know things more accurately that are true, and scriptural, and divinely ordained.

 

If we are willing to do this for our understanding that it may be true and accurate, we should also do this with first Corinthians 11 when it comes to the head covering.

 

We see a framework described in exodus for the building and covering of the tabernacle.

We also see a basic framework laid out in first Corinthians 11 telling us to practice head coverings for women.

 

Both of these examples get hijacked with various ideas and interpretations, and some of them even contradict the original instructions.

 

Just as we look in history to get a more accurate understanding of the Jewish tabernacle and the temple, so also we should pay attention to history when we are told exactly what the Corinthians actually did when they received Paul’s epistle.

 

Getting an actual historical account of what the Corinthians did is worth more than truckloads of philosophical opinions and interpretations that vary with each man’s lust.

 

Those of us who want the truth are beggars.

 

Sometimes a little help from history is God’s providentially ordained way to help fill us hungry people up with enough food to survive and obey the truth.

 

 

BBS: BDC

Typical Icon Mis-quotation:

"Glenda Smith , Let US make man in OUR Image...in the Image of God created He THEM. ""

http://solomonsporch.tv/Teachings/HebrewYah.aspx

7/26/15

 

Gen_1:27 WEB  God created man in his own image. In God's image he created him; male and female he created them.

Gen_1:27 CAB  And God made man, according to the image of God He made him, male and female He made them.

Gen_1:27 Greek  καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν ἄνθρωπον, κατ᾿ εἰκόνα θεοῦ ἐποίησεν αὐτόν, ἄρσεν καὶ θῆλυ ἐποίησεν αὐτούς.

 

Gen_5:1-2 WEB  This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him in God's likeness.  2  He created them male and female, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Gen_5:1-2 CAB  This is the genealogy of men in the day in which God made Adam; in the image of God He made him:  2  male and female He made them, and blessed them; and He called his name Adam, in the day in which He made them.

Gen_5:1-2 Greek  Αὕτη ἡ βίβλος γενέσεως ἀνθρώπων· ᾗ ἡμέρᾳ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν Αδαμ, κατ᾿ εἰκόνα θεοῦ ἐποίησεν αὐτόν·  2  ἄρσεν καὶ θῆλυ ἐποίησεν αὐτοὺς καὶ εὐλόγησεν αὐτούς. καὶ ἐπωνόμασεν τὸ ὄνομα αὐτῶν Αδαμ, ᾗ ἡμέρᾳ ἐποίησεν αὐτούς.

 

 

 

BBS: BDC

 

Skirts/Hem/Terain

Jer_13:22

KJV+ Exo_28:33; Exo_28:34; Exo_39:24; Exo_39:25; Exo_39:26; Isa_6:1; Jer_13:22; Jer_13:26; Lam_1:9; Nah_3:5;

 

 

6/3/15

 

Biblical, Monotheistic, normal, standard, human female MODESTY!

Hide your head.....

Hide your body.....

 

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Covered, but not covered DOWN

Eze_44:20  And they shall not shave their heads, nor shall they pluck off their hair; they shall carefully cover their heads.

Eze_44:20  καὶ τὰς κεφαλὰς αὐτῶν οὐ ξυρήσονται καὶ τὰς κόμας αὐτῶν οὐ ψιλώσουσιν, καλύπτοντες καλύψουσιν τὰς κεφαλὰς αὐτῶν.

vs.

Eze_44:20 KJV+  NeitherH3808 shall they shaveH1548 their heads,H7218 norH3808 suffer their locksH6545 to grow long;H7971 they shall only pollH3697 H3697 (H853) their heads.H7218

 

 

 

Men's face covered = Shame

1Ki_21:4 WEB  Ahab came into his house sullen and angry because of the word which Naboth the Jezreelite had spoken to him; for he had said, I will not give you the inheritance of my fathers. He laid him down on his bed, and turned away his face, and would eat no bread.

1Ki_21:4 CAB  And the spirit of Ahab was troubled, and he lay down upon his bed, and covered his face, and ate no bread.

1Ki_21:4 Greek  (20:4) καὶ ἐγένετο τὸ πνεῦμα Αχααβ τεταραγμένον, καὶ ἐκοιμήθη ἐπὶ τῆς κλίνης αὐτοῦ καὶ συνεκάλυψεν τὸ πρώσωπον αὐτοῦ καὶ οὐκ ἔφαγεν ἄρτον.

 

 

 

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4/4/15

Dear Woman: I want you to percieve and feel that you are special and excedingly Holy. When you dress immodestly you are trashing and destroying your body by the eyes of filthy and unholy men. Do you see yet? Don't hate me for saying you should be modest: I want you to feel more holy and special than every man walking arround in society! I want you to be HOLY, special, sacred, honorable, and full of dignaty, value, and profound worth. Please do not make yourself cheap and worthless anymore. Hide yourself in concealed mystery, be reserved in tantelizing sacredness, and make your body and soul Holy! Believe me: you will not miss out on "being attractive" -- you will be reverently admired and praised by all the holy men of the earth!

Come on now: Love Truth and chearfully acknowledge that the ways of God are indeed, very good!

4/4/15

 

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The Bible teaches us that women need to imitate the women of old (first Peter and ask for the old paths) and that monotheistic women throughout history have covered their head outside (Num_5) and inside public assemblies (1Co_11).

 

1Co_11 teaches us that a woman may not uncover her head inside of an assembly and it assumes that she was already wearing outside of the assembly, as stated in Numbers 5 and in early church history.

4/4/14

 

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“What about dress codes?

Many Amish affiliations as well as other various denominations have distinct dress codes. Are dress codes “legalistic” or required? In “8 Signs of a Legalistic Spirit – And How to Break Free“, Grady writes: “Some Christian denominations have taught that God demands strict conformity to dress codes. Some churches in the past have condemned makeup, jewelry, pants and short hair for women.” Where would churches get that idea? The Bible, of course: “In like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing” (1 Timothy_2:9).”

http://www.holybibleprophecy.org/2015/11/20/todays-legalists-and-pharisees/

10/17/16

 

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8/18/16

 

 

Isa_3:17 WEB therefore the Lord brings sores on the crown of the head of the women of Zion, and Yahweh will make their scalps bald."

Isa_3:17 CAB therefore the Lord will humble the chief daughters of Zion, and the Lord will expose their form in that day;

Isa_3:17  καὶ ταπεινώσει ὁ θεὸς ἀρχούσας θυγατέρας Σιων, καὶ κύριος ἀποκαλύψει τὸ σχῆμα αὐτῶν

 

 

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8/18/16

 

Sir_45:6 He raised up also, like Moses in holiness,

his brother AARON, of the tribe of Levi.

7 He made him perpetual in his office

when he bestowed on him the priesthood of his people;

he established him in honor1

and crowned him with lofty majesty.

8 He clothed him with splendid apparel,

and adorned him with the glorious vestments:

breeches and tunic and robe

 

Sir_45:8 He put upon him perfect glory; and strengthened him with rich garments, with breeches, with a long robe, and the ephod.

Sir_45:8 ἐνέδυσεν αὐτὸν συντέλειαν καυχήματος καὶ ἐστερέωσεν αὐτὸν σκεύεσιν ἰσχύος, περισκελῆ καὶ ποδήρη καὶ ἐπωμίδα·

 

 

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7/27/16

 

"In light of 1Corinthians_11:15, which states that the woman’s hair is her glory, it is interesting to note Isaiah_4:5 which says, Isa_4:5 'then YHWH will create above every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and above her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day and the shining of a flaming fire by night. For over all the glory there will be a covering.'"

 

Isa_4:5 KJV+  And the LORDH3068 will createH1254 uponH5921 everyH3605 dwelling placeH4349 of mountH2022 Zion,H6726 and uponH5921 her assemblies,H4744 a cloudH6051 and smokeH6227 by day,H3119 and the shiningH5051 of a flamingH3852 fireH784 by night:H3915 forH3588 uponH5921 allH3605 the gloryH3519 shall be a defence.H2646

Isa_4:5 And He shall come, and it shall be with regard to every place in Mount Zion, yea, all the region round about it shall a cloud overshadow by day, and there shall be as it were the smoke and light of fire burning by night; and upon all the glory shall be a defense.

Isa_4:5  καὶ ἥξει, καὶ ἔσται πᾶς τόπος τοῦ ὄρους Σιων καὶ πάντα τὰ περικύκλῳ αὐτῆς σκιάσει νεφέλη ἡμέρας καὶ ὡς καπνοῦ καὶ ὡς φωτὸς πυρὸς καιομένου νυκτός· πάσῃ τῇ δόξῃ σκεπασθήσεται·

Isa_4:6 KJV+  And there shall beH1961 a tabernacleH5521 for a shadowH6738 in the daytimeH3119 from the heat,H4480 H2721 and for a place of refuge,H4268 and for a covertH4563 from stormH4480 H2230 and from rain.H4480 H4306

Isa_4:6 And it shall be for a shadow from the heat, and as a shelter and a hiding place from inclemency of weather and from rain.

Isa_4:6  καὶ ἔσται εἰς σκιὰν ἀπὸ καύματος καὶ ἐν σκέπῃ καὶ ἐν ἀποκρύφῳ ἀπὸ σκληρότητος καὶ ὑετοῦ.

 

 

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7/12/16

 

Job_31:33 KJV+  IfH518 I coveredH3680 my transgressionsH6588 as Adam,H121 by hidingH2934 mine iniquityH5771 in my bosom:H2243

Job_31:33 or if also having sinned unintentionally, I hid my sin

Job_31:33  εἰ δὲ καὶ ἁμαρτὼν ἀκουσίως ἔκρυψα τὴν ἁμαρτίαν μου,

 

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Women Require Extra modesty

Women Are Different --

7/9/16

 

You are allowed to take a pledge from a person can keep it in most cases.

You are allowed to temporarily take a pledge from a port person, but you have to give it back before sunset. (Deu 24:…)

 

You are not allowed to take a pledge from a widow under any circumstances at all:

 

Deu_24:17 KJV+  Thou shalt notH3808 pervertH5186 the judgmentH4941 of the stranger,H1616 nor of the fatherless;H3490 norH3808 takeH2254 a widow'sH490 raimentH899 to pledge:H2254

Deu_24:17 You shall not pervert the judgment of the stranger and the fatherless, and the widow; you shall not take the widow's garment for a pledge.

Deu_24:17  Οὐκ ἐκκλινεῖς κρίσιν προσηλύτου καὶ ὀρφανοῦ καὶ χήρας καὶ οὐκ ἐνεχυράσεις ἱμάτιον χήρας·

 

 

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>> pagan mocker:

http://www.humanreligions.info/biblical_dress_codes.html

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Isa_47:2 – undoing headcovering = shame/nakedness…

 

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5/27/16

Google: anthropological analysis of cultures / tribes who wear (just about) no clothes

 

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5/15/16

 

David Dances In the Truest Modesty

 

2Sa 6: WEB CAB

20  And David returned to bless his house. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David and saluted him, and said, How was the king of Israel glorified today, who was today uncovered in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the dancers wantonly uncovers himself!

21  David said to Michal, It was before Yahweh, who chose me above your father, and above all his house, to appoint me prince over the people of Yahweh, over Israel: therefore will I play before Yahweh.

21  And David said to Michal, I will dance before the Lord. Blessed be the Lord who chose me before your father, and before all his house, to make me head over His people, even over Israel. Therefore I will play and dance before the Lord.

22  I will be yet more vile than this, and will be base in my own sight: but of the handmaids of whom you have spoken, they shall honor me.

22  And I will again uncover myself thus, and I will be vile in your eyes, and with the maid servants by whom you said that I was not held in honor.

23  Michal the daughter of Saul had no child to the day of her death.

23  And Michal the daughter of Saul had no child till the day of her death.

 

1Ch 15:

 

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What does the social element tell us about the boundaries of the head covering in Veil?

3/21/16

 

Gen_24:22; Gen_24:30 Gen_24:47 -- Rebecca

 

Everyone agrees: virgins and married woman dressed differently.

In fact, virgins, married women, widows, harlots, and any other class of women all dressed differently depending on their status and class in society.

 

If we say that the server recognizing Rebecca’s virginity was a result of her head being uncovered, that is a logical.

The indisputable reality is that each woman dressed differently in society, so that we have no basis to attribute the servant’s recognition of Rebecca’s virginity to “an absence of a head covering” when there are plenty of other articles of clothing that can distinguish one woman from a different woman in a different class the in Society.

 

Gen_38:14

 

In Tamar case, it says that Judea did not recognize her because she had covered her face.

 

In the case of Tamar, there are actually two points being made:

(1) Judah did not recognize her,

(2) he thought she was a hard

 

While most people focus on number two, that he thought she was a harlot, the primary point being made is actually number one, that Judah did not recognize her.

 

To what degree does her veil contribute to her not being recognized, and to what degree does her veil contribute to Judah thinking that she is a harlot?

 

While her veil may have contributed greatly to him not recognizing her, it was certainly not the only thing that contributed to him thinking that she was a horlot.

 

Proverbs speaks of the clothing of a harlot..

 

 

 

 

HCG: Why Women Should Dress Modestly

 

Women

The real Jesus teaches that if a man looks upon

a woman to lust after her, he commits adultery in

his heart (Mat_5:28). His followers know that if a

woman dresses in a way to attract a man’s

attention and he looks and lusts then they’re

both guilty; the man, because he desires a

woman who is not his wife and the woman

because she doesn’t love God or her neighbor. If

she loved God, she would care more about what

he thinks than being attractive to a man and if

she loved her neighbor, she wouldn’t dress to be

a stumbling block to him. That’s why his true

prophets instructed women to dress in such a

way not to cause men to stumble (I Tim_2:9,10).

The fake Jesus doesn’t care how women dress.

He tells them that he only looks at their heart

and he’s happy with what he sees even though

their hearts’ desire is to be attractive to lustful

men. His false teachers would never tell a woman

to wear clothes that cover plainly and modestly.

In fact some of his false teachers are the very

 

 

women who dress inappropriately.

C:\Files\ComputerOperation\Collaboration\House-Options\HCG\walklikechrist.com\therealjesus.pdf

11/24/15

 

Beware of the Hour Glass effect

4/04/15-4/5/15

- sitting/standing

- hourglass effect -- main thought

- example of concern: when looking at pants pattern, it was not recognized

- collar bone to knees, w the climax being the contrast of the waist

- jackets can disrupt a straight "curtain" effect -- maybe jackets need to be long? (i found one for myself...)

- goal: protect preciousness of being good at child birth

- the visual knowledge of any subtle glory is hazardous

 

- have graceful caution when sitting down & standing up again

- also: consider "squatting" rather than "bending over" -- (avoid protrusions)

- I keep thinking one day we will find some kind of potently "stiff" cloth & we can put that as a guard underneath all of our thiner / more vulnerable clothing...

 

\/\/

Hanging sheets vs things going "in" at the waist / belt area

> Describe or mk drawing

 

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Foolish person thinks its baised on interpreting one passage of Scripture!:

The Issue of headcoverings for women is a question of the interpretation and application of a single passage in I Corinthians_11:2-16.

http://www.thenarrowpath.com/ta_headcoverings.php

3/14/15

 

Many other foolish statements follows this quote

 

 

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Modesty is not relative to each culture's sinful perspective of what is morally necessary, but modesty has become an absolute moral requirement since the day that God Himself clothed Adam and Eve.

2/28/15

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Sometimes men see a women's Head and Face...

Num5... Susana

John saw harlot's name... But 'heat'/emotional affect is associated w this...

Lookinng through the veil

SoS: looking through veil at mouth, etc.

Eli watched her mouth

> I would say this is possible even when someone is veiled, because I have seen the mouth move the veil... Both in muslems and our own disciples

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Pants

Jesus: "always have your loins girded"

Surprisingly, pants are actually Biblical.

At a time were most everyone wore loose fitting clothes, Jesus published the idea of permanent girding of the loins. Although this is said referring to spiritual and moral things, yet it cannot be referring to something that would be wrong and imodest to do physically as an illustration of spiritual righteousness and virtue.

We are not agaist pants, but we are against doing evil with pants so that they prostitute parts of the body.

> important (pending) comparison research needed: how does the use of breaches factor into and compare with people being 'always girded'? Does this happen over their breaches? Is this girding wraped arround their breaches?

(...hating and profaning gener features.)

 

 

 

 

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Gohn Brothers, broadfalls, & men’s plain dress

07/26/2004 Martin Kelley  34 Comments

 

A few years ago I felt led to take up the ancient Quaker tes­ti­mony of plain dress­ing. I’ve spo­ken else­where about my moti­va­tions but I want to give a lit­tle prac­ti­cal advice to other men who have heard or even got­ten ahold of the “Gohn Bros.” cat­a­log but don’t know just what to order. I cer­tainly am not sanc­tion­ing a uni­form for plain dress, I sim­ply want to give those so inclined an idea of how to start.

 

Just as back­ground: I’m a thirty-something Philadel­phia native, brought up with­out any for­mal reli­gion in a Philly sub­urb. I first started approach­ing Quak­ers (Friends) back in col­lege. In my early twen­ties, I started work­ing at a collectively-run paci­fist book pub­lish­ing house and liv­ing in what was then the sort of down­scale hip­ster neigh­bor­hood of West Philadel­phia. In 2002 I attended a week-long work­shop that had some plain dress­ing Friends and felt the nudge to exper­i­ment. I’ve left Philadel­phia to become a res­i­dent of a small farm­ing town in South Jer­sey (what love will do) but I still spend a lot of time in the city and in decid­edly urban set­tings. I don’t aim to be his­tor­i­cally cor­rect with my plain dress and I don’t want to sim­ply “look like an Amish” person.

 

Gohn Broth­ers is a store in Indi­ana that sells “Amish and Plain Cloth­ing.” It is cur­rently cel­e­brat­ing it’s 100th year in busi­ness. It’s known for it’s sim­ple print cat­a­log, which is updated every few months. It does not have a web­site. You should get a copy of the cat­a­log to get cur­rent cloth­ing and ship­ping prices. It’s address is:

 

    PO Box 1110, 105 S. Main St., Mid­dle­bury IN 46540

    Phone: (574) 8252400. Toll-free: 800-595-0031

 

When I first started “going plain,” I sim­ply wore reg­u­lar dark pants with sus­penders found at a generic depart­ment store. It was impor­tant to me that I was wear­ing clothes I already had, and I wanted to be “Sears Plain,” by which I meant I didn’t want to go to any extremes to find plain cloth­ing. When I first bought a pair of broad­falls (the zip­per­less pants favored by plain men), I didn’t wear them for months. Slowly I started started wear­ing them out and feel­ing more at ease in them. They were made of rugged denim, wore well and were quite com­fort­able.

As my pre-plain clothes have worn out, I’ve started replac­ing them with Gohn Brothers-produced broad­falls. They’re just as inex­pen­sive as any cheaply-made jeans from Old Navy but they hold up and are pre­sum­ably made in Indi­ana by seam­stresses earn­ing a decent wage.

 

Broad­falls

 

Gohn Broth­ers offers many dif­fer­ent weights and fab­rics for their broad­fall pants, num­ber­ing them for ease of order­ing. I have bought two pair, both of which I like:

 

    #66: 10 oz. solid grey denim, 100% cot­ton: $22.98

    #92: 100% cot­ton blue jean denim (11 oz.): $24.98

 

Coats

 

Gohn Broth­ers pro­duces a num­ber of coats, also called “over­shirts.” In these pur­chases I have tended to be more dis­tinctly Quaker. I have two Coats:

 

    #225: 9oz. Poly, cot­ton. $41.98 at the time of this post. I have opted for a few alter­ations: A “reg­u­lar cut” for $3.00, a “standup col­lar” for $2.00, “but­ton holes with metal but­tons” for $3.00 and a “quilted lin­ing” for $5.00.

    #125 9 oz. Black drill denim. Poly/cotton. Unlined Jacket, black drill. Alter­ations: “standup col­lar” for $2.00. (for this I had the default “snaps” in place of but­tons and the default “full cut”).

 

I’ve pref­ered the spe­cial­ized “reg­u­lar cut” coat over the stan­dard “full cut.” The reg­u­lar cut feels more like the stan­dard suit jacket that most pro­fes­sional men wear to work, while the full cut felt more like a wind-breaker. I also pre­fer the but­tons, as the snaps con­tributed to the wind-breaker feel.

 

Sus­penders

 

Also known as “braces,” all you need are dark broad­falls and sus­penders to really look “plain” to the world. “Tabbed” sus­penders fit over but­tons in your pants, while “clip-on’s” use alli­ga­tor clips to fas­ten onto stan­dard pants. Tabbed look bet­ter but I can’t help think­ing of Michael Dou­glass in “Wall Street”; a lot of ordi­nary anabapist men I see have clip-on’s.

 

I’ve heard the story that there’s a good-hearted rib­bing between the Iowa and North Car­olina Con­ser­v­a­tive Quak­ers about whether thin or wide sus­penders is more plain. I’ve started to throw my lot in with Iowa and have got­ten the three-quarter inch sus­penders. (Fash­ion­istas will remem­ber that thin sus­penders were pop­u­lar with a cer­tain kind of high school geek in the mid-1980s-think Cameron in _Ferris Beuler’s Day Off_; fair dis­clo­sure requires that I admit that I wore them around Chel­tenham High). Again Gohn Brothers:

 

    #550T 3/4″ tab. Black: $7.98

    #552C 3/4″ clip. Black: $6.98

 

Hats

 

While Gohn Broth­ers does hats, I haven’t bought any of theirs. Instead I’ve gone for the Tilley T3 hat. I’m not com­plete happy with this, as Tilley’s seem to be asso­ci­ated with a cer­tain kind of clue­less trav­eler, but I’ve noticed that there are a lot of men in my yearly meet­ing who wear them, I think as an uncon­scious nod toward plain­ness. The Tilley is also friend­lier to bike com­muters: its tie-down strings wrap eas­ily around bike han­dle­bars, and it’s very crush­able and washable.

 

Not a Uniform

 

Again, let me stress: I am not try­ing to spec­ify a mod­ern plain dress uni­form. The only time you should adopt plain dress is when you’re feel­ing actively led by it. Some­times that lead­ing is an intu­tion, which is fine, but you need to fol­low it on your own terms. My prac­tice has evolved over time and yours should too. I’ve become more plain since I started this wit­ness sim­ply because I had to replace worn clothes and couldn’t see spend­ing more money for shod­dier clothes than I could get at Gohn Broth­ers. You don’t need to get broad­falls to be “plain,” as “plain­ness” is as much a state of mind and an atti­tude toward God and your spir­i­tual com­mu­nity as it a set of clothes. I think of it now as a spir­i­tual dis­ci­pline, one very fit­ting for our con­sumeris­tic times.

 

I’d love to hear from oth­ers about their plain dressing.

 

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Hans J --- 3 years ago

 

I attended a Friend's meeting in New England years ago, wearing plain dress, some of it from Gohn Brothers. A few Friends thought that I was a Mennonite, and had no idea that some Quakers still found meaning in plain dress. When I tried to explain my leanings towards it to several people at coffee hour after meeting, I mentioned George Fox, and some of them didn't know who HE was. I thought they might be visitors from other denominations or faiths, but no, they assured me that they were Quakers. Go figure. Plainly, of course.

 

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    Martin Kelley Mod Hans J --- 3 years ago

 

    I had a similar experience as yours visiting a meetinghouse in the upper Midwest. It's education and outreach to our own as well. I actually feel more of a tug toward plainness when I'm more embedded among Friends.

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Snowflakey --- 4 years ago

 

I have worked in Middlebury for close to 30 years. I shop @ Gohn Brothes and can tell you with certainty that the broadfalls and other plain clothing is made upstairs above the retail store below. They have hardwood floors and you can hear the sewing machines downstairs while shopping ;-). We're lucky to livein Amish country and have plain/practical goods available to us!!!

 

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David Reed --- a year ago

 

A Quaker friend from Durham Friends Meeting in Durham Maine. Thanks you for the infro

 

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Gordy Banjoman --- 2 years ago

 

I have worn their pants, shirts, and hats for 37-years and can report that they are exactly as I have wished. Good solid clothes made well and comfortable. I admire the people that produce and sell them. They are doing something right every day. Thank you good people.

 

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DC --- 2 years ago

 

Just wanted to send an FYI out there- looks like Middlebury, IN has put up a few videos on Youtube about Gohn Brothers. When I came across them, I immediately thought of this post and wanted to put a comment up with the link to them. Not sure if it is ok to link to Youtube in your comments section Martin, but you can find the 4 videos here- http://www.youtube.com/user/in.... They are short videos, but posted a month ago. Hope others find it interesting to get a real look at the store.

 

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Neil Martinez --- 3 years ago

 

I was first introduced to Plain living in the late 70s and early 80s. I went with some friends to a Quaker meeting in New Canaan, CT (which is a decidedly un-plain place). I was a New Age-y kind of guy back then and felt a kinship with the organic, spiritual flow of thought and speech at the meeting.

 

I then volunteered for work at a Quaker camp in Vermont as an off-season (winter) crew member. There were a couple of people there who were Quaker but most were young folk like me who just wanted a groovy, live off the land kind of place to be for a season or two of our lives. During that season, I heard about Gohn brothers and bought a couple of pair of the broadfall pants you describe with the buttons for braces. Just the thing to wear going country dancing in New England or to collect maple sap, or chop wood.

 

In between the first instance and the second, I lived briefly in San Francisco and made going to Green Gulch Farm, an appendage of the Zen Centre, on Sundays. For me it helped me detox from living in the city. but the "plain" life espoused by the Zen monks also called me.

 

Now, 32 years later, I live in New Jersey like yourself. I am a born-again Christian and admire the Amish / Mennonite convictions of being in the world but not of it. I, have also been convicted of vanity and pride that goes hand in glove with wearing  clothes as an advertisement, rather than as the function of clothing. Am I "orthodox" in my practice? No. But I, like you, just want to wear clothes as a sign of humility rather than pride. Gratitude rather than arrogance. To be able to say that the clothes I wear are also supporting a business and a lifestyle I strongly support, is also a big plus.

 

I have just requested a catalog from Gohn's. I can't wait to see how little it has changed in 32 years.

 

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Pspaughtamus --- 3 years ago

 

Eons ago, ok, 30-some years ago, I was a sophomore at a Quaker boarding school.  Somehow, it became a "fad" to wear broadfalls, for both genders.  I just found one of my pairs from back then.  I was trying to remember the term so I googled, and this site came up as a hit.

 

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Csmith --- 4 years ago

 

Gohn Bros hats, especially the fur felt ones, wear like iron. They are great quality and well worth the cost

 

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philipsmall --- 5 years ago

 

I have been partial to a Cabela's Lite Felt™ Outback Hat (Chocolate) for many years. I am on my sixth one. Gohn braces: my wardrobe is fully committed to the 3/4 tab

 

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Vincent Duff --- 5 years ago

 

Sir,

Interesting,interesting...I remember Gohn Bros. pants from some 25 years ago..just

remembered,actually,and was just exploring about them....Suspenders,please investigate

Perry Suspenders in Decateur,Il..EXCELLENT product..got plastic clips thst hook over one's

belt..may not seem like much,but is an excellent innovation. NOTE;I've recently seen some Perrys in Walmart..Of COURSE they're WAY inferior to ones direct from Perry.

 

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cabingreen --- 5 years ago

 

Does plain dress allow for neckties or modern men's rimmed hats like the Blues Brothers look?

 

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roberthcooper --- 5 years ago

 

Please two questions

 

1-I assume all clothing and good are american?

 

2-are clipon's with plastic tips or just metal teeth ones.

 

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roberthcooper --- 5 years ago

 

Please two questions

 

1-I assume all clothing and good are american?

 

2-are clipon&#39s with plastic tips or just metal teeth ones.

 

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poocer --- 6 years ago

 

I first found Gohn brothers in The Whole Earth Catalog, which for me was one of the greatest publications ever. How I miss it! For years I wore the dropfall pants and found them to be superior to jeans for general use. Of course, the uniform in those days and our set was overalls, themselves like jeans a political statement. Now I have almost a dozen pairs but seldom wear them __wife bought 'em__ as they bind the knees and the paunch. (Not as easy to shed the paunch at 74 as at 34) And I'm really bored with well-meaners taking me aside and whispering "Your flies are open". Big deal! With the social revolution of the 60s and 70s jeans became the worldwide democratic leveler, like the tee shirt and later, flipflops.

Jan de hartog, in his wonderful novel Peaceable Kingdom, says that early Quakers would not wear indigo-dyed clothes as processing the plant for dye was so disagreeable that only slaves could be made to do it..

Simple clothing comes naturally to me, although for years working in architects' offices had me in the professional uniform: Oxford gray wool-and-acrylic suit with 2 pairs of pants, all navy-blue socks for ease of laundry sorting, button-down blue Oxford shirts and knit ties for drafting. Chinos were for days when I could get away with no jacket, but the tie stayed, a bow tie in colorful Indian silk or Madras cotton. Long gone together with my 30 inch waist!

Our family's earliest immigrants came to Delaware 40 years before William Penn, spoke Swedish and later Dutch and Lenni Lenape. They were soldiers, traders and farmers. One was actually a translator between Penn and the Indians. Then came the Quakers and the Anabaptists responding to Penn's offer of religious freedom, and many of them spoke German for several generations. (Eighty percent of Pennsylvanians spoke German in 1776.) I don't know how they dressed, but being in the heart of Chester County, the Quakers at least surely wore gray. Several early towns in Pennsylvania were founded partly by my ancestors, among them Upland (renamed Chester by Penn) and Germantown.

Even my parents had very few clothes by today's standards. All of both's fit nicely into one small closet. Many were home-made. Neither wore jeans, tees or sports shoes. Mom never wore slacks.

Now that I'm retired from architecture and spend most of my time gardening I'm ready to simplify. It may be difficult, however, to convince my wife to give away the suits and blazers which she loves to see me in. I wear cargo shorts almost all the time__to Meeting, too__and Redwing boots in the garden.

I'm interested in the plainness statement. I never minded looking different, always had a beard unless it was forbidden by an employer. Now (the last few months) I have an Amish beard and after shaving my bald head since the 60s (very odd then; "I'm not bald, I just shave my head") I have begun to let my thin gray hair grow down to a blunt cut at ear and nape and will not flatten it. Since the 60s I have worn a hat against sunburn and sunstroke, but not the Gohn Brothers kind. There are no visible Mennonites here in Shasta County, so I suppose I'll stand out. I will not abandon my tiny gold earring, however. How's that for contradiction?

I admit to being mildly narcissistic. Always loved being in costume on stage and in historical pageants. It's amazing how much a simple change in hair and beard style evokes a particuler period. Some re-enactors and dancers are so attached to their current style that they can't conceive of changing. Not me! But I cannot see wearing the full Amish outfit. Too contrived!

I am non-thieist, non-religion, anti-religious (including religious property). I attend the small Monthly Meeting in Redding, CA.

Inspired by these recently discovered sites on plainness, I think I'll simplify my wardrobe and red out my stuffed closet.

 

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poocer --- 6 years ago

 

I first found Gohn brothers in The Whole Earth Catalog, which for me was one of the greatest publications ever. How I miss it! For years I wore the dropfall pants and found them to be superior to jeans for general use. Of course, the uniform in those days and our set was overalls, themselves like jeans a political statement. Now I have almost a dozen pairs but seldom wear them __wife bought &#39em__ as they bind the knees and the paunch. (Not as easy to shed the paunch at 74 as at 34) And I&#39m really bored with well-meaners taking me aside and whispering "Your flies are open". Big deal! With the social revolution of the 60s and 70s jeans became the worldwide democratic leveler, like the tee shirt and later, flipflops.

Jan de hartog, in his wonderful novel Peaceable Kingdom, says that early Quakers would not wear indigo-dyed clothes as processing the plant for dye was so disagreeable that only slaves could be made to do it..

Simple clothing comes naturally to me, although for years working in architects&#39 offices had me in the professional uniform: Oxford gray wool-and-acrylic suit with 2 pairs of pants, all navy-blue socks for ease of laundry sorting, button-down blue Oxford shirts and knit ties for drafting. Chinos were for days when I could get away with no jacket, but the tie stayed, a bow tie in colorful Indian silk or Madras cotton. Long gone together with my 30 inch waist!

Our family&#39s earliest immigrants came to Delaware 40 years before William Penn, spoke Swedish and later Dutch and Lenni Lenape. They were soldiers, traders and farmers. One was actually a translator between Penn and the Indians. Then came the Quakers and the Anabaptists responding to Penn&#39s offer of religious freedom, and many of them spoke German for several generations. (Eighty percent of Pennsylvanians spoke German in 1776.) I don&#39t know how they dressed, but being in the heart of Chester County, the Quakers at least surely wore gray. Several early towns in Pennsylvania were founded partly by my ancestors, among them Upland (renamed Chester by Penn) and Germantown.

Even my parents had very few clothes by today&#39s standards. All of both&#39s fit nicely into one small closet. Many were home-made. Neither wore jeans, tees or sports shoes. Mom never wore slacks.

Now that I&#39m retired from architecture and spend most of my time gardening I&#39m ready to simplify. It may be difficult, however, to convince my wife to give away the suits and blazers which she loves to see me in. I wear cargo shorts almost all the time__to Meeting, too__and Redwing boots in the garden.

I&#39m interested in the plainness statement. I never minded looking different, always had a beard unless it was forbidden by an employer. Now (the last few months) I have an Amish beard and after shaving my bald head since the 60s (very odd then; "I&#39m not bald, I just shave my head") I have begun to let my thin gray hair grow down to a blunt cut at ear and nape and will not flatten it. Since the 60s I have worn a hat against sunburn and sunstroke, but not the Gohn Brothers kind. There are no visible Mennonites here in Shasta County, so I suppose I&#39ll stand out. I will not abandon my tiny gold earring, however. How&#39s that for contradiction?

I admit to being mildly narcissistic. Always loved being in costume on stage and in historical pageants. It&#39s amazing how much a simple change in hair and beard style evokes a particuler period. Some re-enactors and dancers are so attached to their current style that they can&#39t conceive of changing. Not me! But I cannot see wearing the full Amish outfit. Too contrived!

I am non-thieist, non-religion, anti-religious (including religious property). I attend the small Monthly Meeting in Redding, CA.

Inspired by these recently discovered sites on plainness, I think I&#39ll simplify my wardrobe and red out my stuffed closet.

 

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Not Saying --- 6 years ago

 

Interesting to read all the thoughts on plain dress. My wife and I were formerly part of a plain church that strictly enforced a uniform. I always wore broadfalls and button-up shirts, and generally (until later years) a broadbrim hat. Broadfalls were either purchased from Gohn Brothers or 'made-over'. By made-over, it meant buying off-the-shelf pants and having my wife rip out the front and re-sewing them to eliminate the fly and add buttons. Took nearly 6 hours per pair! Making them over saved money over buying them from Gohn brothers if you didn't count her time. My wife always wore a specific pattern of dress (that she made) and a prayer covering (that she also made). In the winter she would wear shawl and bonnet if going to church or a coat at other times. We found (in this particular church) that the uniform was over-emphasized and it had actually been turned into an idol!

 

We recently changed over to a different plain church that isn't near as strict. Women are still covered and modesty and simplicity are still stressed, although a specific uniform is not. We now buy nearly all our clothes from Goodwill and other thrift stores. I always wear dark-colored pants and a button-up shirt. She mostly wears long dresses or skirts with a full-cut. I know that we now spend a lot less money and time on clothes. I think that wise spending habits on clothing is a principle that sometimes gets lost in the among the plain people. I would much rather spend $5 on a pair of second-hand pants from Goodwill than spend $30-35 at Gohn Brothers. My wife also has enough to do around the home with the kids, etc. that she doesn't need to spend all day re-making a pair of pants for me!

 

Sometimes I think it would do us good to take a step back and look at the Biblical requirements and principles for dress.

1. Modesty

2. Simplicity

3. Dressing for God's glory and not our own.

4. Not following the fashions of the world. (immodesty, casualness, etc.)

5. Being wise stewards of our money.

 

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Not Saying --- 6 years ago

 

Interesting to read all the thoughts on plain dress. My wife and I were formerly part of a plain church that strictly enforced a uniform. I always wore broadfalls and button-up shirts, and generally (until later years) a broadbrim hat. Broadfalls were either purchased from Gohn Brothers or &#39made-over&#39. By made-over, it meant buying off-the-shelf pants and having my wife rip out the front and re-sewing them to eliminate the fly and add buttons. Took nearly 6 hours per pair! Making them over saved money over buying them from Gohn brothers if you didn&#39t count her time. My wife always wore a specific pattern of dress (that she made) and a prayer covering (that she also made). In the winter she would wear shawl and bonnet if going to church or a coat at other times. We found (in this particular church) that the uniform was over-emphasized and it had actually been turned into an idol!

 

We recently changed over to a different plain church that isn&#39t near as strict. Women are still covered and modesty and simplicity are still stressed, although a specific uniform is not. We now buy nearly all our clothes from Goodwill and other thrift stores. I always wear dark-colored pants and a button-up shirt. She mostly wears long dresses or skirts with a full-cut. I know that we now spend a lot less money and time on clothes. I think that wise spending habits on clothing is a principle that sometimes gets lost in the among the plain people. I would much rather spend $5 on a pair of second-hand pants from Goodwill than spend $30-35 at Gohn Brothers. My wife also has enough to do around the home with the kids, etc. that she doesn&#39t need to spend all day re-making a pair of pants for me!

 

Sometimes I think it would do us good to take a step back and look at the Biblical requirements and principles for dress.

1. Modesty

2. Simplicity

3. Dressing for God&#39s glory and not our own.

4. Not following the fashions of the world. (immodesty, casualness, etc.)

5. Being wise stewards of our money.

 

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Sam Reames --- 6 years ago

 

Quaker plain dress consisted of A Hat, not black, usually dove gray. Broad brimmed and rounded or flat crowned. Many historical painting and such depict them. Normal conventional clothes of the times but "off the rack" and simple/inexpensive in nature. Dressing "up" in Anabaptist conventional clothing seems to me to defy "plain" clothing as it goes to extremes to obtain and is not of the normal convention today. I have not seen any pictures of the London meeting in many years, but they used to dress in "conventional" 1800's wear of gray, light brown, teal, fawn, etc. including a flat brimmed hat of matching color. Seems everything but dark blacks, navy's, browns, etc. It may have been a annual "dress up" event and not a normal First Day wear.

 

For me, plain dress consists of khakis/denim, inexpensive shirt and inexpensive but well made shoes.I wear no jewelry other than my wedding ring and a modest watch. Not designer clothing, but simple "off the rack" wear of good construction and moderate cost. Much less cost than Gohn Bro's "costume" wear.

 

I also chose to wear a full beard 36 years ago as an outward expression of my belief in simplicity.

 

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Sam Reames --- 6 years ago

 

Quaker plain dress consisted of A Hat, not black, usually dove gray. Broad brimmed and rounded or flat crowned. Many historical painting and such depict them. Normal conventional clothes of the times but "off the rack" and simple/inexpensive in nature. Dressing "up" in Anabaptist conventional clothing seems to me to defy "plain" clothing as it goes to extremes to obtain and is not of the normal convention today. I have not seen any pictures of the London meeting in many years, but they used to dress in "conventional" 1800&#39s wear of gray, light brown, teal, fawn, etc. including a flat brimmed hat of matching color. Seems everything but dark blacks, navy&#39s, browns, etc. It may have been a annual "dress up" event and not a normal First Day wear.

 

For me, plain dress consists of khakis/denim, inexpensive shirt and inexpensive but well made shoes.I wear no jewelry other than my wedding ring and a modest watch. Not designer clothing, but simple "off the rack" wear of good construction and moderate cost. Much less cost than Gohn Bro&#39s "costume" wear.

 

I also chose to wear a full beard 36 years ago as an outward expression of my belief in simplicity.

 

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Thomas Fioriglio --- 7 years ago

 

I have been dressing plain since last January. I finally got around to purchasing the Gohn Brothers #225 jacket. I got the stand up collar, quilted lining and metal buttons. My only regret is that I got the full cut rather than the regular cut. The regular cut would have fit just as nicely and still allow room for layers. The full cut is wide in the waist and unless you are on the large size with a large mid section, I would guess, you can get away with the regular cut waste.

 

As for the rest of my plain look. I purchased the Plain vest and Plain Frock coat from GVS. I cut all the collars off of my button shirts and bought some plain black jeans. I wear this everyday as a teacher in a suburban Long Island school. When I get dressed every morning, I do not have to think about what I will wear and what tie matches, etc. All I do it choose a shirt, put on my jeans and vest and coat and go to work.

 

Thomas Fioriglio

 

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Thomas Fioriglio --- 7 years ago

 

I have been dressing plain since last January. I finally got around to purchasing the Gohn Brothers #225 jacket. I got the stand up collar, quilted lining and metal buttons. My only regret is that I got the full cut rather than the regular cut. The regular cut would have fit just as nicely and still allow room for layers. The full cut is wide in the waist and unless you are on the large size with a large mid section, I would guess, you can get away with the regular cut waste.

As for the rest of my plain look. I purchased the Plain vest and Plain Frock coat from GVS. I cut all the collars off of my button shirts and bought some plain black jeans. I wear this everyday as a teacher in a suburban Long Island school. When I get dressed every morning, I do not have to think about what I will wear and what tie matches, etc. All I do it choose a shirt, put on my jeans and vest and coat and go to work.

Thomas Fioriglio

 

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Ellen --- 8 years ago

 

Hello. I am responding to Ronald David Hanes. There is a Dunkard Brethren Church located in Kansas City, Missouri. It is a Plain Church. You can learn a bit about it at www.dunkardbrethrenchurch.com. I believe it is about a 2.5 hour drive for you though. There may be something closer to home for you. Have a blessed day.

Martin, thank you for the information on this site. I am planning to contact Gohn Bros. to see about plain fabrics for dresses and veilings. It is hard to find good fabrics for dress making in my home town. Thanks again. Have a blessed day. Ellen

 

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Ellen --- 8 years ago

 

Hello. I am responding to Ronald David Hanes. There is a Dunkard Brethren Church located in Kansas City, Missouri. It is a Plain Church. You can learn a bit about it at www.dunkardbrethrenchurch.com. I believe it is about a 2.5 hour drive for you though. There may be something closer to home for you. Have a blessed day.

 

Martin, thank you for the information on this site. I am planning to contact Gohn Bros. to see about plain fabrics for dresses and veilings. It is hard to find good fabrics for dress making in my home town. Thanks again. Have a blessed day. Ellen

 

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Martin Kelley --- 8 years ago

 

*Hi again Thomas:* I often wear a sleeveless fleece jacket under my regular-cut Gohn coat. A long-sleeve works but it's a little tight in the collar. Cutting collars off shirts is indeed pretty easy. I'm afraid I'm not the best in sewing the seam back up and get fraying that gets worse with every washing. Perhaps I just need to practice more.

*Hi John:* I've been luckily enough not to have experienced any bad stains or smells. I just wash my jackets in a laundry machine, it's pretty tough.

 

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Martin Kelley --- 8 years ago

 

*Hi again Thomas:* I often wear a sleeveless fleece jacket under my regular-cut Gohn coat. A long-sleeve works but it's a little tight in the collar. Cutting collars off shirts is indeed pretty easy. I'm afraid I'm not the best in sewing the seam back up and get fraying that gets worse with every washing. Perhaps I just need to practice more.

 

*Hi John:* I've been luckily enough not to have experienced any bad stains or smells. I just wash my jackets in a laundry machine, it's pretty tough.

 

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John Waddell --- 8 years ago

 

Mr. Kelley,

 

I have worn a 'plain dress' overcoat for several years. I am finally being forced to buy a new one because the other one is just getting to be too well-worn. I would recommend to anyone who wants to stay warm and be practical about it to own one of the coats made by the Amish and other plain-dressers with the shoulder cape. It has served me quite well!

 

Though I do have a question. Have you come across some way to get stubborn smells and stains out of such a garment? Dry-cleaning doesn't always seem to work, I fear.

 

Thanks for the website, its great to read!

 

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John Waddell --- 8 years ago

 

Mr. Kelley,

I have worn a 'plain dress' overcoat for several years. I am finally being forced to buy a new one because the other one is just getting to be too well-worn. I would recommend to anyone who wants to stay warm and be practical about it to own one of the coats made by the Amish and other plain-dressers with the shoulder cape. It has served me quite well!

Though I do have a question. Have you come across some way to get stubborn smells and stains out of such a garment? Dry-cleaning doesn't always seem to work, I fear.

Thanks for the website, its great to read!

 

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Thomas Fioriglio --- 8 years ago

 

Martin, thanks for the quick --- and for the information. I live in Long Island, so we encounter pretty much the same weather, so I guess I could look forward to some good use out of the jacket. One last question, about the "regular" cut, is it still roomy enough to wear a fleece under it if necessary? Thanks again,

Just to add some more info for others, I became familar with Gohn's through my volunteer work at a historic restoration village here on Long Island. We order our broadfalls and shirts through them and they are quite sturdy and well made and very affordable.

Someone else had asked about cutting off collars of shirts. All I did to remove the collars on my button shirt

 

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Shame hiding/"covering" the face of men

 

Psa_67:7

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Mat 6

Jesus said that every creature has its basic needs, and the Father provides for them.

 

Just like God gives all creatures food, Jesus said that the Father "Knows by perception" that we truly and fundamentally need clothing as human creatures.

 

And sure we need protection from the heat of the sun and the cold of winter, but we also need protection from the eyes of others lest we participate as a harlot in the visual fornication of their heart!

 

With food and clothing be content...

 

But most are content with luxury and not being clothed!

 

The Bible authorizes us to hurt and beg God until our basic immediate needs are fully met, and it is high time some righteous people raised up and begged God for the blessed Holiness of Modest clothes that finally meet the universal need that God has laid on all of His creatures!

 

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harem pants

http://www.yesstyle.com/en/men-harem-pants-baggy-pants/list.html/bcc.12194_bpt.46

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12/15/14

Jesus' 5 Layers of Himations!

Joh_19:23-24

God really likes modesty, and He perfectly shows His ideal preference for how extreme we should be in protecting the body by the example of Jesus, who was not just wearing shorts, but was taking every layer necisary to disply perfect reverence for the gender holiness that the Father so fervently longs to see carried out on the earth by those who care about His creation and its parables as much as He does!

 

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11/26/14

 

WEB, CAB, Gr

Job_31:33 if like Adam I have covered my transgressions, by hiding my iniquity in my heart,

Job_31:33 or if also having sinned unintentionally, I hid my sin;

Job_31:33  εἰ δὲ καὶ ἁμαρτὼν ἀκουσίως ἔκρυψα τὴν ἁμαρτίαν μου,

 

12/5/14

There is no such thing as "the christian woman's prayer veil" - about the only word that is acurate in that phrase is "woman".

 

BBS: BDC

8/21/14; 9/20/14; 11/7/14

 

Rev_3:17-18 CAB  Because you say, 'I am wealthy, and have become rich, and have need of nothing'--and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked,  18  I counsel you to buy from Me gold having been tried by fire, so that you may become rich; and white robes, so that you may be clothed, and the shame of your nakedness may not appear; and eye salve, so that you may anoint your eyes, in order that you may see.

Rev_3:17-18 Greek  ὅτι λέγεις ὅτι Πλούσιός εἰμι καὶ πεπλούτηκα καὶ οὐδὲν χρείαν ἔχω, καὶ οὐκ οἶδας ὅτι σὺ εἶ ὁ ταλαίπωρος καὶ ἐλεεινὸς καὶ πτωχὸς καὶ τυφλὸς καὶ γυμνός,  18  συμβουλεύω σοι ἀγοράσαι παρ᾿ ἐμοῦ χρυσίον πεπυρωμένον ἐκ πυρὸς ἵνα πλουτήσῃς, καὶ ἱμάτια λευκὰ ἵνα περιβάλῃ καὶ μὴ φανερωθῇ ἡ αἰσχύνη τῆς γυμνότητός σου, καὶ κολλούριον ἔγχρισον τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς σου ἵνα βλέπῃς.

 

 

 

WEB, CAB, Greek

Exo_20:26 Neither shall you go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness may not be exposed to it.'

Exo_20:26 You shall not go up to My altar by steps, that you may not uncover your nakedness upon it.

Exo_20:26  οὐκ ἀναβήσῃ ἐν ἀναβαθμίσιν ἐπὶ τὸ θυσιαστήριόν μου, ὅπως ἂν μὴ ἀποκαλύψῃς τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην σου ἐπ᾿ αὐτοῦ.

 

 

The Shame of Nakedness is the exposure of your Sin

 

Lam_4:22

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Rev_: – that the shame of your nakedness...

 

 

BBS: BDC: Headcovering Track

9/20/14

The assyrian code had women's head covered...

Rebecca increased the modesty of her head by covering her face as she met Isacc

Tamar covered her head (and face) when she was a widdow awaiting a leverate marriage.

The blessed Shunamit covered her face with a veil when she went out in public lest the beauty of her face be seen and fornicated with by the sight of other men, and in another case in the same book, Solomon had to come close enough to peer through her persistent veil, so that he might prepare for mating by gasing deeper into the glory of her ravishing face.

Every woman was assumed to alreay have her head covered in Num 5.

Susanne is a recognized matriarch of modesty and chastity, and her name is memorialized by the woman named in Luk 8.

Susanne appeared with her head fully covered and her face veiled and hidden from filthy glances, in strong and virtuous oposition to the adulterous lust of two evil leaders who sought to shame her publically by removing her headcovering in public that they might fully drink in adulterous lust after her hair and face. She cried at their shameful crimes and was soon rescued from their filthy hands.

Paul commanded women to keep their head covered (with something coming down and hiding it) during prayer and prophesying. - this is the same word used throughout the lxx for protecting the head and face from harlotry and gross imodesty.

In addition to the clothing hiding the sexual beauty of the head and face, Peter tells women to ornament themselves like the women of old (everything we just saw) especially by shamefacedness lest that which is still seen of a woman be using in defiling lust in society, and this same reverent fear of looking arround is practiced by all the women who were saved by truth, including those blessed modest women at the resurrection.

 

To this absolute purity and modesty and honorable and breathtaking virtue of shamefacedness and heacovering and veil all the ancientciients, including the Jews in the Talmud as well as the early church consistently defended and commanded.

 

Contrary to these examples, The woman of harlotry show off their forhead (Isa) and even write their name on their forhead (Rev) and are boldly lifting their eyes in public () and loaudly and defiantly () seducing men with their eyes (Pro_6:25)

 

 

 

God is Modest - The Gospel Of Thick Darkness

8/19/14-8/21/14

 

>> what to say / explain about: the Glory of the Lord showed up at the tabernacle

>> converse to us, if the face of God the most intimate part of Him?? No man may see it and live...

>> is it Modest for Moses to see his back? Moses is a man, but would God h

 

>> Rev: Jesus is clothed down to His feet

 

>> Tabernacle/Temple: outside the walls, Outer Court, of the Gentiles, inner court (Jews Only), Priest's Court, then into the Temple (covered by a veils): porch, Holy place (priests only), Holy of Holies (High Priest Alone)

 

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8/20/14

- eyes of man are insatiable

- don't "open your legs" to every passer by, or have a harlot's forhead to be a misserable jesabel end times prostitue...

conclusion:

- you don't know God if you are not treating your sexuality as precious

- we speak precious truth that God has given us... We declare truth that we have received from above...

John the Bap - from heaven or men?

Isa: who has believed our report?

This is how you are saved

 

 

Sirach_9:5 – don't stumble at what is precious in her

5 Gaze not on a maid, that thou fall not by those things that are precious in her.  

5 Entertain no thoughts against a virgin, lest you be enmeshed in damages for her.  

5 Do not stare at a pretty girl, in case you and she incur the same punishment.  

5 Do not look intently at a virgin, or you may stumble and incur penalties for her.

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God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all

God dwells in unapproachable light

 

so what is going on with passages about being clothed in thick darkness?

Is God darkness?  Does God like darkness?

 

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Deuteronomy 20 - thick darkness

 

 

Psa_97:1-6 CAB  For David, when his land was established. The Lord reigns, let the earth exalt, let many islands rejoice.  2  Clouds and darkness are round about Him; righteousness and judgment are the establishment of His throne.  3  Fire shall go before Him, and burn up His enemies round about.  4  His lightnings light the world; the earth saw, and trembled.  5  The mountains melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.  6  The heavens have declared His righteousness, and all the people have seen His glory.

 

TSK-Remixed: Clouds: Psa_18:11, Psa_18:12, Psa_77:19, Exo_19:12-13, Exo_19:16-25 (.... others... esp Exo_19:21; Exo_19:24; Exo_20:21); Exo_20:18, Exo_20:21,, Exo_24:16-18, Deu_4:11, Deu_4:12, 1Ki_8:10-12, Nah_1:3, Rom_11:33

 

>> Moses saw His back

 

Exo_33:18-23 CAB  And Moses said, Manifest Yourself to me.  19  And God said, I will pass by before you with My glory, and I will call by My name, LORD, before you; and I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and will have pity on whom I will have pity.  20  And God said, You shall not be able to see My face; for no man shall see My face and live.  21  And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by Me: you shall stand upon the rock;  22  and when My glory shall pass by, then I will put you into a hole of the rock; and I will cover you over with My hand, until I have passed by.  23  And I will remove My hand, and then shall you see My back parts; but My face shall not appear to you.

 

Exo_34:2-6 CAB  And be ready by the morning, and you shall go up to Mount Sinai, and you shall stand there before Me on the top of the mountain.  3  And let no one go up with you, nor be seen in all the mountain; and let not the sheep and oxen feed near that mountain.  4  And Moses cut out two tablets of stone, as also the first ones were; and Moses, having arisen early, went up to Mount Sinai, as the Lord appointed him; and Moses took the two tablets of stone.  5  And the Lord descended in a cloud, and stood near him there, and called by the name of the Lord.  6  And the Lord passed by before his face, and proclaimed, The Lord God, gracious and merciful, longsuffering and very compassionate, and true,

 

 

 

>> the point is that they do not break beyond the boundary and see God

>> TSK: Psalms and other references

 

So, thick darkness vs. ...

 

A whore's forehead

Rev - written on her forehead

 

Monotheistic God is...

(1) Humble - Php_2:

(2) Modest (as we have just seen)

(3) Righteous - you do not know this either because you still think that His people continue to sin!

 

>> Gripped w concern, because you do not know the right God

>> keep showing = unrighteous fornication, sinning against the righteous God you do not know

 

 

If you've got it, show it = not precious (modest) like God

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Future Plans:

1:10-11  One day I would like to get into the use of ornaments and celebratory clothing:

 

 

Old

 

Table of contents:

A General Introduction

Addressing Dressing, in General

Face

Color-Bone/Waist Area

Thighs

Lower Leg

Feet

Lower Leg and feet

Chapter 2 - Beyond The minimum Dress Code

 

“Modest” Swim suit

I was given this link by my sister-in-law. There are actual swimsuits that cover from collarbone through thy:

http://www.modest-swimwear.net/

 

 

 

Male Headcovering?

To What Degree Could A Man Ever Morally “Cover” His Head?

Other dates (mostly ~2009-2011); 10/28/16; 1/25/17; 3/25/17; 5/24/25

 

>>Scrip:

Eze_24:17 – Ezekiel bind turban on head and prophesy to the people

Moses veil

1Ki_19:13 – Elijah covered head in a mantle

2Sa_15:30 – David covered head

2Sa_15:31 – David prayed as he went

Jer_14:3-4 – covered head in morning

Jer_14:7 – prayed to the Lord

 

 

Preview

 

>>Add below…

Exo_28:4, Exo_28:6, Exo_28:36-39

Exo_28:4 NKJV

These are the garments which they shall make: a breastplate, an ephod, a robe, a skillfully woven tunic, a turban, and a sash. So they shall make holy garments for Aaron your brother and his sons, that he may minister to Me as priest.

Exo_29:6 NKJV

And you shall put the turban on his head, and put the holy crown on the turban.

Exo_28:36–38 NKJV

36 "You shall also make a plate of pure gold and engrave on it, like the engraving of a signet: HOLINESS TO THE LORD.

37 And you shall put it on a blue cord, that it may be on the turban; it shall be on the front of the turban.

38 So it shall be on Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy

[You are to weave the tunic of fine linen and make the turban of fine linen, and make the sash the work of an embroiderer]

PPX: Turban: Hebrew מִצְנֶפֶת (mitsnefet) for the high priest; מִגְבָּעָה (migba‘ah) for regular priests. Both refer to a type of wrapped head covering, with mitsnefet likely being broader and more elaborate

PPX: The gold plate (tzitz) was unique to the high priest and symbolized consecration to God.

 

Exo_34:33-35

 

>>Add below…

Exo_39:28-31 –

Exo_39:28–30 NKJV

28 A turban of fine linen, exquisite hats of fine linen, short trousers of fine woven linen,

29 and a sash of fine woven linen with blue, purple, and scarlet thread, made by a weaver—as the LORD had commanded Moses.

30 Then they made the plate of the holy crown of pure gold and wrote on it an inscription like the engraving of a signet: HOLINESS TO THE LORD

[31? They fastened a blue cord to it to attach it to the turban, just as the Lord had commanded Moses.]

PPX: Plate: Hebrew צִיץ (tzitz), a gold plate inscribed with “Holy to the Lord,” attached to the turban at the forehead.

PPX: LXX (Septuagint): The Greek renders mitsnefet as “kidaris” (κιδαρις), meaning a turban or mitre.

PPX: LXX: Consistently uses “kidaris” for turban.

PPX: Turban: Again, מִצְנֶפֶת (mitsnefet) for the high priest, מִגְבָּעָה (migba‘ah) for other priests.

PPX: Headbands: Possibly refers to additional linen bands or sashes.

PPX: The Hebrew terms emphasize “wrapping” or “binding,” reflecting the style of ancient Near Eastern turbans or headbands

 

>>Add below…

Lev_8:9 –

Lev_8:9 NKJV

And he put the turban on his head; also on the turban, on its front, he put the golden plate, the holy crown, as the LORD had commanded Moses.

PPX: Turban: מִצְנֶפֶת (mitsnefet).

PPX: Golden plate: צִיץ (tzitz), attached with blue cords.

PPX: LXX: “kidaris” for turban, “stephanos” (στέφανος) for crown.

 

 

Lev_10:6

Lev_13:45

 

Leviticus 16:4 – High Priest’s Day of Atonement Clothes

“He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen mitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments...” (KJV)

PPX: Mitre: Hebrew מִצְנֶפֶת (mitsnefet), as above.; LXX: Uses “kidarin” (κιδαριν), matching the Hebrew term for turban.

 

 

 

Lev_21:10 

Eze_44:17-18

Zec_3:3-5

 

 

 

Isa_29:10

(comp. Isa_47:2-3 – women judged)

 

Jer_14:4

Job_9:24

 

PPX Chart:

 

 

 

 

Hebrew

>> H6544 H6545

Revenge: H6546

 

WS: “H6544

ָפַּרע

pāra‛: A verb meaning to let go, to let loose, to unbind. Moses saw that Aaron had let the Israelites get out of hand when Moses was up on the mountain (Exo_32:25 [2x]). This word can also apply to hair, as with those who were commanded not to let their hair down from their turbans. This warning was given to Aaron concerning mourning (Lev_10:6); and to high priests in general (Lev_21:10). However, lepers were to let their hair down to call attention to their condition (Lev_13:45). A possible unfaithful wife had her hair loosened by the priest in connection with the drinking of bitter water to see if she was guilty (Num_5:18). This word can also mean to ignore (Pro_1:25); to avoid (Pro_4:15); or to lead (Jdg_5:2).

 

Lev_13:

Lev_13:45 – male headcovering & face veil?

is face veil separated from headcovering then?

but "περιβαλέσθω" is also used in 1Co_11:

 

Lev_13:45 WEB  "The leper in whom the plague is shall wear torn clothes, and the hair of his head shall hang loose. He shall cover his upper lip, and shall cry, 'Unclean! Unclean!'

Lev_13:45 LB  And the leper in whom the plague is, let his garments be torn, and his head uncovered [ἀκατακάλυπτος]; and let him have a covering put upon his mouth, and he shall be called unclean.

Lev_13:45  Καὶ ὁ λεπρός, ἐν ᾧ ἐστιν ἡ ἁφή, τὰ ἱμάτια αὐτοῦ ἔστω παραλελυμένα καὶ ἡ κεφαλὴ αὐτοῦ ἀκατακάλυπτος, καὶ περὶ τὸ στόμα αὐτοῦ περιβαλέσθω καὶ ἀκάθαρτος κεκλήσεται·

 

Lev_21:10 WEB  " 'He who is the high priest among his brothers, upon whose head the anointing oil is poured, and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not let the hair of his head hang loose, nor tear his clothes;

Lev_21:10 “And the priest that is chief among his brothers, the oil having been poured upon the head of the anointed one, and he having been consecrated to put on the garments, shall not take the turban off his head [τὴν κεφαλὴν οὐκ ἀποκιδαρώσει], and shall not tear his clothes;

Lev_21:10  Καὶ ὁ ἱερεὺς ὁ μέγας ἀπὸ τῶν ἀδελφῶν αὐτοῦ, τοῦ ἐπικεχυμένου ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν τοῦ ἐλαίου τοῦ χριστοῦ καὶ τετελειωμένου ἐνδύσασθαι τὰ ἱμάτια, τὴν κεφαλὴν οὐκ ἀποκιδαρώσει καὶ τὰ ἱμάτια οὐ διαρρήξει

 

 

Exo_34:33 WEB  When Moses was done speaking with them, he put a veil on his face.

Exo_34:33 LB And when he ceased speaking to them, he put a veil on his face.

Exo_34:33  καὶ ἐπειδὴ κατέπαυσεν λαλῶν πρὸς αὐτούς, ἐπέθηκεν ἐπὶ τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ κάλυμμα.

Exo_34:34 WEB  But when Moses went in before Yahweh to speak with him, he took the veil off, until he came out; and he came out, and spoke to the children of Israel that which he was commanded.

Exo_34:34 And whenever Moses went in before the Lord to speak to Him, he took off the veil till he went out, and he went forth and spoke to all the children of Israel whatsoever the Lord commanded him.

Exo_34:34  ἡνίκα δ᾿ ἂν εἰσεπορεύετο Μωυσῆς ἔναντι κυρίου λαλεῖν αὐτῷ, περιῃρεῖτο τὸ κάλυμμα ἕως τοῦ ἐκπορεύεσθαι. καὶ ἐξελθὼν ἐλάλει πᾶσιν τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ ὅσα ἐνετείλατο αὐτῷ κύριος,

Exo_34:35 WEB  The children of Israel saw Moses' face, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the veil on his face again, until he went in to speak with him.

Exo_34:35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that it was glorified; and Moses put the veil over his face, till he went in to speak with Him.

Exo_34:35  καὶ εἶδον οἱ υἱοὶ Ισραηλ τὸ πρόσωπον Μωυσῆ ὅτι δεδόξασται, καὶ περιέθηκεν Μωυσῆς κάλυμμα ἐπὶ τὸ πρόσωπον ἑαυτοῦ, ἕως ἂν εἰσέλθῃ συλλαλεῖν αὐτῷ.

 

 

Lev_10:6 WEB  Moses said to Aaron, and to Eleazar and to Ithamar, his sons, "Don't let the hair of your heads go loose, neither tear your clothes; that you don't die, and that he not be angry with all the congregation: but let your brothers, the whole house of Israel, bewail the burning which Yahweh has kindled.

Lev_10:6 LB  And Moses said to Aaron, and Eleazar and Ithamar his sons that were left, “You shall not uncover your heads, and you shall not tear your clothes, so that you do not die, and so there should be wrath on all the congregation. But your brothers, even all the house of Israel, shall lament for the burning, with which they were burned by the Lord.

Lev_10:6  καὶ εἶπεν Μωυσῆς πρὸς Ααρων καὶ Ελεαζαρ καὶ Ιθαμαρ τοὺς υἱοὺς αὐτοῦ τοὺς καταλελειμμένους Τὴν κεφαλὴν ὑμῶν οὐκ ἀποκιδαρώσετε καὶ τὰ ἱμάτια ὑμῶν οὐ διαρρήξετε, ἵνα μὴ ἀποθάνητε καὶ ἐπὶ πᾶσαν τὴν συναγωγὴν ἔσται θυμός· οἱ ἀδελφοὶ ὑμῶν πᾶς ὁ οἶκος Ισραηλ κλαύσονται τὸν ἐμπυρισμόν, ὃν ἐνεπυρίσθησαν ὑπὸ κυρίου.

>> Sync: OUC | BDC

 

 

Isa_29:10 WEB  For Yahweh has poured out on you a spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes, the prophets; and he has covered your heads, the seers.

Isa_29:10 CAB  For the Lord has made you to drink a spirit of deep sleep; and He shall close their eyes, and the eyes of their prophets and of their rulers, who see secret things.

Isa_29:10  ὅτι πεπότικεν ὑμᾶς κύριος πνεύματι κατανύξεως καὶ καμμύσει τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς αὐτῶν καὶ τῶν προφητῶν αὐτῶν καὶ τῶν ἀρχόντων αὐτῶν, οἱ ὁρῶντες τὰ κρυπτά.

 

Did Something Change?

Moses veiling face

Elijah wrapping his head

>>TSK

2Co_3: We all with unveiled face approach God...

 

Jewish Kippah / Yarmulke / "Dome"

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kippah

 

Crown

In Hebrews, Revelation, and other places Jesus wears a crown of glory and value-honor. This is the opposite of the sexual "shame" mentioned in 1co11. We see that a man can wear a crown and not have shame come down on his head in the way described when he might 'hide' his head in 1co11.

Consider the differences between the head-hiding headcovering, and a crown:

- Although Jesus wears a crown, yet you can see His hair. One of the specific goals of the headcovering is to hide the hair in hiding the head. A crown does not do that.

- a headcovering hides the glory of a woman's head so it cannot be seen, but a crown places shinning glory on a man's head to be seen.

- A headcovering comes DOWN and HIDES the head, a crown does niether of these things.

- A headcovering covers hides the head, but a crown is set on "the crown" of the head.

 

This is compatible with new testament values, and we see this does not actually conradict caps that cover the same surface area of the crown. It also shows that small caps do not pertain to the modesty described in the New Testament.

 

Jewish Kippa may have originally represented an opposite moral value system to what Paul preaches, but now they do not specifically do what Paul says not to do.

 

 

Men Did Not Use Head Coverings or Veils for Modesty!

One of the main principals that we see from the use of veils during Bible times is that modesty does not cease to play a role when applied to the face.

It is almost as though even when we admit that we are not to expose, flaunt and “advertise” our bodies, we still think that that it is OK to seduce lust with the face.

 

As the “Main New Testament reference” mentioned above shows, (1Co_11:1-16) men never wore a veil as did women, nor even a type of head covering for modesty:

 

Rev_1:14 KJV  His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

 

This example passage agrees with first Corinthians 11, showing that men do not need to cover their hair for the sake of their gender and modesty needs.

 

Which is similar to Daniel:

 

Dan_10:6 KJV  His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass...

 

Turbans and Other Clothing

This section adds some interesting questions

 

 

κιδαρ

Greek+ Exo_28:4; Exo_28:39; Exo_28:40; Exo_29:9; Exo_39:28; Lev_8:13; Lev_10:6; Lev_16:4; Lev_21:10; Eze_21:26; Eze_44:18; Zec_3:5;

 

 

Lev_21:10  And *the priest that is chief [ὁ ἱερεὺς ὁ μέγας] among [ἀπὸ] his brethren, the oil having been poured upon [ἐπικεχυμένου ἐπὶ] the head of the anointed one [τοῦ χριστοῦ – transliterated: the christ], and he having been consecrated [τετελειωμένου] to put on [ἐνδύσασθαι] the garments [τὰ ἱμάτια], shall not take the turban off his head*, and shall not tear [διαρρηξει – ALS p. 129] his clothes;

 

* τὴν κεφαλὴν οὐκ ἀποκιδαρώσει – off/ from + "κιδαρις" "tiara" (ALS p. 330)

 

In Latin: "ornamented conical felt Asian head-dress; Phrygian bonnet w/cheek lappets;" (Latin to English Dictionary v1.97)

 

"shall not unbind his head" (NETS)

 

Note: context is defilement: Lev_21:4, Lev_21:6-9 (as seen in DivRem book)

 

>>Scrip:

Eze_44:17-18

[“When they enter the gates of the inner court, they shall wear linen garments..]

 

Eze_44:18 CAB And they shall have [ἕξουσιν] linen [λινᾶς] turbans [κιδάρεις] upon their heads [ἐπὶ ταῖς κεφαλαῖς – compare 1Co_11:4: "κατὰ κεφαλῆς" – there is a difference, but see Eze_44:20], and *shall have linen drawers upon their loins [* περισκελῆ λινᾶ ἕξουσιν ἐπὶ τὰς ὀσφύας αὐτῶν]; and *they shall not tightly gird themselves [* οὐ περιζώσονται βίᾳ].

PPX: Turbans: Hebrew פָּאֵר (pa’er) or מִצְנֶפֶת (mitsnefet), depending on translation.

PPX: LXX: “peribolaia” (περιβόλαια), meaning coverings or wraps.

 

Eze_44:20 CAB And they shall not shave [ξυρήσονται] their heads, * nor shall they pluck off their hair [* καὶ τὰς κόμας αὐτῶν οὐ ψιλώσουσιν]; they shall *carefully cover [καλύπτοντες καλύψουσιν – “carefully” is a paraphrase to try and represent this interesting repetition of ‘covering’ (an intensification)] their heads.

 

 

Zec_3:3-5 CAB  (3:4) Now Joshua was clothed in filthy garments, and stood before the Angel.  4  (3:5) And the Lord answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And He said to him, Behold, I have taken away your iniquities, and clothed you with a *long robe [MT/KJV: “change of raiment.H4254”; LXX: ποδήρη – a ‘feet-(ποδ-)-reaching’ robe – this agrees with Jesus’ example in the book of Revelation],  5  (3:6) and place a clean turban upon his head. So they placed a clean turban upon his head, and *clothed him with garments [περιέβαλον αὐτὸν ἱμάτια]. And the Angel of the Lord stood by.
> update other quote of this

 

1Ki_19:13 - "ἐpeκάλυψeν tὸ pρόsωpον aὐtοῦ"

>> this is the same root word used in first Corinthians 11, and it shows that the countenance is potentially involved in hiding the head…

 

Men Should NOT Cover Their Head -- Unless it’s Time to Be Ashamed

A Man Has Shame Coming Down His Head/Face When it is Covered

11/11/18

 

Isa_29:10 WEB  For Yahweh has poured out on you a spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes, the prophets; and he has covered your heads, the seers.

Isa_29:10 LB  For the Lord has made you to drink a spirit of deep sleep; and He shall close their eyes, and the eyes of their prophets and of their rulers, who see secret things.

Isa_29:10  ὅτι πεπότικεν ὑμᾶς κύριος πνεύματι κατανύξεως καὶ καμμύσει τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς αὐτῶν καὶ τῶν προφητῶν αὐτῶν καὶ τῶν ἀρχόντων αὐτῶν, οἱ ὁρῶντες τὰ κρυπτά.

 

>> Get:

A very defining reference is when David covered his head/ face

 

 

Job_9:24 WEB  The earth is given into the hand of the wicked. He covers the faces of its judges. If not he, then who is it?

 

 

Jer_14:4 CAB Because of the ground which is cracked, because no rain has been in the land, the plowmen are disappointed, they cover their heads.

Jer_14:4 WEB And the labors of the land failed, because there was no rain: the plowmen were ashamed; they covered their heads.

Jer_14:4  καὶ τὰ ἔργα τῆς γῆς ἐξέλιπεν, ὅτι οὐκ ἦν ὑετός· ᾐσχύνθησαν γεωργοί, ἐπεκάλυψαν τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτῶν.

 

 

 

Mourning

 

>>Scrip: ES

 

2 Samuel 15

2Sa_15:30

And David went up the ascent of the Mount of Olives, and wept as he went, and his head was covered and he walked barefoot. Then all the people who were with him each covered his head and went up weeping as they went.

PPX: Head covered: Hebrew חָפוּי רֹאשׁ (chafuy rosh), “covered head.”

PPX: LXX: “perikephalaios.”

 

Jeremiah 14

    3-4: [Judah mourns,] and their nobles send their lads for water: they come to the pits, and find no water; their vessels return empty; they are ashamed and confounded, and cover their heads. Because of the ground which is cracked, for there hath been no rain in the land, the plowmen are ashamed, they cover their heads.

 

>>Scrip:

Esther 6

Est_6:11-12 – And Mordecai returned to the king's gate. But Haman hasted to his house, mourning and having his head covered.

PPX: Head covered: Hebrew כָּפוּי רֹאשׁ (kafuy rosh), literally “covered head.”

PPX: LXX: “perikephalaios” (περικεφαλαῖος), meaning something wrapped around the head.

 

 

Rejoicing

 

Isaiah_61:3,10

 

A Man Unhiding/ Uncovering His Head??? – What Does this Mean??

 

Lev_10:6 CAB  And Moses said to Aaron, and Eleazar and Ithamar his sons that were left [καταλελειμμένους], You shall not *make bare [* ἀποκιδαρώσετε -- uncrown?????] your heads, and you shall not tear [διαρρήξετε] your clothes, that you die not, and so there should be wrath [θυμός] on all the congregation [συναγωγὴν]. But your brothers, even all the house of Israel, shall lament for the burning, with which they were burned by [ὑπὸ] the Lord.

 

Lev_13:45-46 CAB  And the leper in whom the plague is [ἐστιν ἡ ἁφή – ~the one who is effectively touched], let his garments [τὰ ἱμάτια – plural: his layers of cloth/ clothing] be torn [παραλελυμένα], and his head uncovered [ἀκατακάλυπτος]; and let him have *a covering put upon [περιβαλέσθω – let something (i.e. a covering) be thrown around] his mouth, and he shall be called unclean.  46  All the days in which the plague shall be upon him, being unclean, he shall be esteemed unclean; he shall dwell apart, his place of sojourn shall be outside the camp [παρεμβολῆς].

 

Lev_21:10 CAB  And the priest that is chief [ὁ μέγας] among his brethren, *the oil having been poured upon the head of the anointed one [i.e. the christ], [* τοῦ ἐπικεχυμένου ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν τοῦ ἐλαίου τοῦ χριστοῦ], and he having been consecrated to put on the garments, shall not *take the turban off [ἀποκιδαρώσει] his head, and *shall not tear his clothes [* τὰ ἱμάτια οὐ διαρρήξει];

 

Tob_2:9 Brenton  The same night also I returned from the burial, and slept by the wall of my courtyard, being polluted and *my face was uncovered [* τὸ πρόσωπόν μου ἀκάλυπτον ἦν]:

 

 

 

Same Gender Boundaries?

4/4/17

 

>> Paul with Timothy

>> John and Peter in the Boat

>> Exo, etc.: midwives with birthing mothers, etc…

 

How Much Should Doctors See?

4/4/17

 

 

Lev_13:38 WEB  "When a man or a woman has bright spots in the skin of the body, even white bright spots;

Lev_13:38 LB  “And if a man or woman should have in the skin of their flesh spots of a bright whiteness,

Lev_13:38  Καὶ ἀνδρὶ ἢ γυναικὶ ἐὰν γένηται ἐν δέρματι τῆς σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ αὐγάσματα αὐγάζοντα λευκαθίζοντα,

Lev_13:39 WEB  then the priest shall examine them; and behold, if the bright spots on the skin of their body are a dull white, it is a harmless rash, it has broken out in the skin; he is clean.

Lev_13:39 then the priest shall look; and behold, there being bright spots of a bright whiteness in the skin of their flesh, it is a tetter; it burst forth in the skin of his flesh; he is clean.

Lev_13:39  καὶ ὄψεται ὁ ἱερεὺς καὶ ἰδοὺ ἐν δέρματι τῆς σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ αὐγάσματα αὐγάζοντα λευκαθίζοντα, ἀλφός ἐστιν, καθαρός ἐστιν· ἐξανθεῖ ἐν τῷ δέρματι τῆς σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ, καθαρός ἐστιν.

Lev_13:40 WEB  "If a man's hair has fallen from his head, he is bald. He is clean.

Lev_13:40 And if anyone's head should lose his hair, he is only bald, he is clean.

Lev_13:40  Ἐὰν δέ τινι μαδήσῃ ἡ κεφαλὴ αὐτοῦ, φαλακρός ἐστιν, καθαρός ἐστιν·

 

Is this like the early church when they had female servants of the church?

How would they do this if only Males were priests in the Old Testament?

 

Additional thoughts

 

 

 

Random Nuggets – In Need of processing

 

BBS: BDC

6/3/14

 

McFall

":101 Based on her own participation in the women’s world of the Bedouin (closed to male eyes) Lila Abu-Lughod uses the word ‘modesty’ to sum up the female moral code of shyness, self-restraint, and a deferential attitude, the Arabic term for which is hashama which is translated by ‘a cluster of words including modesty, shame and shyness, in its broadest sense, it means propriety’ (Veiled Sentiments: Honor and Poetry in a Bedouin Society [Berkeley: University of California Press, 1986], p. 105)."

 

Muslem modesty:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/my-beauty-is-for-my-husband-to-see-not-the-world/hijab-for-muslims-christians-and-jews-and-why-muslims-are-called-oppressed/457607124259379

 

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130423073339AA2zH8q

 

http://www.encounteringislam.org/muslimquestions

 

 

BBS: BDC: McFall Error

6/5/14

 

 

"But the issue of covering and uncovering the head is gender- based, not headship based, and it applies only when males and females are engaged directly in “praying or prophesying.” Paul leads off with a theological statement in 1 Corinthians_11:3 that at first glance seems like taking a sledgehammer to crack open a peanut. Its scope is so vast that it encompasses God, Christ, Man and Woman within it. Sandwiched between the headships of God and Christ is the disputed headship of Man. This is the theological issue at stake in 11:2-16."

 

"If it were the sign of her subjection to her husband then she would have to wear an artificial covering on her head from the moment she was born to the moment she died.As woman’s natural covering of hair was designed to bring her glory (doxa) and acceptance among men in the natural world, and make her acceptable/desirable to be in their presence, so her artificial covering was also designed by God to bring her authority (exousia) and acceptance among spirit beings in the spiritual world, and make her acceptable to be in their presence (“because of the angels”109).107 Ephesians_5:32 says she is to be subject ‘in everything’. "

 

i need to smash this 'ant-cultural' Modesty Statement

this is so foolish and Bible-disobedient…

 

"Most commentators quickly got lost in expounding 1 Corinthians_11:2-16 because they looked among the customs of those times for an explanation for the significance of the covering. Once the “covering” (to be more precise the text reads, “having down [from the] head”; kata; kefalh'" e1xwn) was mistakenly identified with the cultural veil (kavlumma), it was given a cultural meaning. Once the false identification was set up it was just a matter of time before it was discarded because its cultural significance was judged to be incompatible with the Gospel."

McFALL eBOOK ON DIVORCE_1--HTML-RTF--OOo.rtf

6/5/14

>> look up context?

 

This perversion is utter vivid misleading at its worst!

 

He seems to be saying that it is not cultural, but what he's really saying is that it is not modesty, and it IS!

 

Absolute Non-sense...

 

"FROM ADAM TO NOAH’S FLOOD

The hatred that God placed between the offspring of the woman (Christ) and the offspring of the serpent (Satan), manifested itself in two streams of humanity, a very small one (Christ’s sons) and a very large one (Satan’s sons). Cain killed righteous Abel, and was banished from the presence of God. He constitutes the seed of the serpent. He multiplied. His descendants were the “sons of man.” Seth, constituted the righteous line, and he, too, multiplied. His descendants were the “sons of God.” It was always God’s intention to fulfil His promise to Adam that of his seed would come a future Redeemer of all mankind. To fulfil that promise it was essential to keep the two streams of humanity apart and distinct, hence the emphasis placed on the distinct genealogical descent of Seth’s line, which is kept apart from the distinct genealogical descent of Cain’s line. The one plots the descendants of a righteous man, and the other plots the descendants of a murderer. These distinct lines must not be blurred or mixed if the promise was to be fulfilled. It is Luke who gives us the pure line of descent from Adam to Christ via Seth’s descendants.Satan attempted to destroy the fulfilment of the promise to Adam by killing Abel, who would have constituted the righteous line leading to Christ. He may have thought that the seed of Christ was being carried in the loins of Abel. But God raised up a replacement for Abel in the form of Seth, and Seth carried the seed of Christ in his loins. Seth carried the seed of Abraham, and Abraham carried the seed of David, and Christ was of the seed of David according to the flesh (John_7:42; Romans_1:3).God frustrated the purpose of Satan, but Satan had another strategy-mixed marriages. If he could get the two lines of descent to intermarry, then there would be no ‘righteous line’ leading to the‘seed of the woman.’ So we read that God was sorry that he had made man on the earth. The descendants of Seth were as wicked as the descendants of Cain, and because they were birds of a feather, they naturally intermarried. The ‘sons of God’ (Seth’s descendants, the so-called righteous line) married the daughters of the ‘sons of men’ (Cain’s descendants). Thus Satan’s strategy worked. The two lines of descent were now intermingled. The distinctness of the two lines of physical descent was so badly compromised that a direct line leading from Seth to Jesus was in real danger of breaking down completely. So wicked had the totality of mankind become that there was only one man left on the earth whom God regarded as ‘righteous,’ namely, Noah. It was at this point that God decided to destroy the entire seed of the serpent, and start all over again with a single righteous man and his three sons and their wives"

 

also consider:

 

"The theological choice would be better stated as being between abolishing or establishing Man’s headship.110 The angels know the order of creation and what it involves (Job_38:7). On the Jewish sources behind the liaison of angels and women in Gen_6:1-2 and its implications for 1 Corinthians_11:10 see L.J. Lietaert Peerbolte, “Man, Woman and the Angels in 1 Corinthians_11:2-16,” in The Creation of Man and Woman, edited by Gerard P. Luttikhuizen (Leiden: Brill, 2000), pp. 76-92, esp. p. 87 n. 28. "

 

"115 There are at least forty years between Abraham’s encounter with Abimelech (Gen_20:2) and Isaac’s encounter with a king of the same name (Gen_26:1), that it is possible that ‘Abimelech’ was not a personal name, but like ‘Pharaoh’ a title"

 

 

The Crime of Using Beauty Selfishly

Do not trust in your beauty and use it for yourself! It is a violation when a woman does this; she is to use her beauty exclusively for her husband:

Eze_16:15  But you trusted in your beauty, and went a-whoring because of your fame, and poured out your fornication on every passer by.

>> see also how satan trusted in his beauty

 

Partially Unanswered Questions

 

(1) How are Roman Soldiers Saved?

Jesus said at least one Roman soldier would definitely make it to heaven.

BIG Question: was it possible for Roman soldiers to dress modestly? Did Roman soldiers ever dress modestly?

 

Partial answer: we cannot ‘argue from silence,’ therefore it is illogical to assume anything we are no told about how the soldiers were saved, and how they may or may not have changed their clothing habits, or how they may or may not have had “modest” alternatives within their wardrobe at that time.

 

Any information on this question is extremely helpful and important.

 

(2) Early Description of No Uniforms

Early church quote from Mathetes:

‘Christians use the clothing of each culture.’

 

Partial answer: before the wild and mindless liberations of total perversion we see today, just about any ancient culture had modest possibilities that disciples could take advantage of for modest covering.