Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org
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7/29/14; 11/14/14 (κιδαρ); 11/21/14; other dates; 2/20/15
(Male headcovering); 11/2/15; (1/29/16); …4/1/21; 3/22/24 (1Co_11 Sum &
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Table of Contents
Chapter 1 – AdDressing Dressing
Make Yourself Beautiful the Way
the Women in the Past Did
We do these things to be clothed
spiritually
BIGGEST Disclaimer and Clarifier
Earthly Icons of Heavenly
Realities
Modesty Shame is Actually Good!
A Woman’s “Shape” is Still An
Issue?
Privileged Family Members at The
Crucifixion
Mono-Gender Verification of the
Resurrection
Fishing – Peter in Boat with John
& Others
How Even Houses Have to Do with Modesty
Chapter 2 – Covering The Whole Body
Thoroughly cover the entire leg
Long Robes Have Skirts -- Even
for Men!
It used to be considered immodest
to show the Things we Show
Talk About “Relative Modesty”???
Dress Code in Light of Swimming
Non-Co-ed Love is the only The
Appropriate Embrace of the Chest
Abraham and Lot Saw “Men” Who
Grabbed the Hands of Him, His (Married) Wife, and His Virgin Daughters
Loins (specifically, literally
and figuratively)
The Management of the Loins
toward the Worship of God
God expects uncovered Buttocks to
be shameful to us
Song of Songs – Categorical
Breakdown of Song of Songs
Unlawful Romance Shows Us Why We
Should Be Trained to Increase in Modesty
Unlawful Romance is as
intoxicating as Lawful romance.
Head Clothing that Goes “Down”
Often Implies a Face Veil
The Code of the Assura, c. 1075
BCE
Moral “Shamefacedness” for All
People Before God?
But they Did Sometimes Hide Their
Head When Ashamed
WARNING: The Head Covering is an
Issue of Modesty!
The Use of Veils During Bible
Times
How “Shame” Shows that this is a Modesty
Issue!
Extra-Biblical info on “Shaming Down”
People
Removing the Head Covering [and
clothes in general] Linked with “Shame”
Covering Directly Brings Hidden-ness
Male Head Covering? – To What
Degree Could A Man Ever Morally “Cover” His Head?
Jewish Kippah / Yarmulke /
"Dome"
Men Did Not Use Head Coverings or
Veils for Modesty!
A Man Has Shame Coming Down His
Head/Face When it is Covered
Random Nuggets – In Need of processing
The Crime of Using Beauty Selfishly
Partially Unanswered Questions
Numbers 5 – A Priest Uncovers a
Man’s Wife’s Head
Son_5:7 – They Took Away My Veil
Guards Took Off Jesus’ Clothes
Examples When Devaluing is Not
Involved, and therefore, Voluntary Stripping might Happen
Adam & the Priestly Dress Code
Random Thoughts / Additions
There is no such thing as “The Christian Woman’s Head Covering”. Head coverings always have and always will be an issue of HUMAN FEMALE MODESTY, no matter whether you are a Jew, Christian, Muslim, or even a real follower of Jesus.
5/20/14
If Muslim women are willing to obey an unholy book and cover their head, what’s your excuse for disobeying the Bible? If you believe “your Bible” is better than their Koran, then why are they obeying their book and why are you disobeying yours?
5/20/14
Biblical women covered their head whenever leaving the home:
Although it was normal for woman to answer the door, as seen in Acts [>> TSK!]…
Sarah hid behind the tent wall when she was not prepared to be seen by strangers:
Paul
Paul very clearly commands women not to remove their headcovering when praying or prophesying:
Headcoverings
are Biblical: 1Co_11:1-16. Removing a headcovering outside of
the home is not Biblical. -- Unless of course, you are (1) a Jewish woman being
tried for adultery: Num_5:11 (etc.), or,
(2) a woman being punished by having her hair cut off for acting like a harlot:
1Co_11:5-6.
8/26/13; 5/17/14-5/18/14; 11/11/15
WARNING: A woman who willingly disobeys
the Bible and uncovers her head in public, freely confesses to all that she is
an adulteress (Num_5:11) and shows that she is unashamed to
cause others to commit adultery with her (Mat_5:27-32). Warning, Warning,
WARNING! Jezebel is here (Rev_2:20-23)!
5/18/14
(1) Num_5:11 shows us that all God-fearing women automatically put on a headcovering when going outside of the home. (2) Many, many years later Paul commands some former pagans in Corinth that they have to maintain that even during prayer (i.e. no uncovering heads in temples like female prostitutes did). (3) Many, many years later (today) feminism totally robbed the majority of all modern women of their headcoverings and caused them to walk naked-headed in public to their shame and ignorant dishonor
1Co_11:6 CAB For if a
woman is not covered [κατακαλύπτεται – having
something coming down and hiding], let her also have her hair cut [this affects
her even when not praying]. But if it is a shameful thing
for a woman to have her hair cut [applies even when not praying], or to be
shaved [applies even when not praying], let her be covered [applies even when
not praying].
WAKE UP and finally realize what is actually being said in 1Co_11!
Dear
woman, I plead with you: put your headcovering back on!
I
warn you: “the emperor has no clothes!”
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4/22/14
H: Mr. Overseer, ive been meaning to
mention something to you...our generation think they are so wise in thinking
that when it gets hot they should wear less clothes to stay cool and so many
people think it strange that I wear so much clothes in the summer. And it is
also very common that people suffer from sun burn and even skin cancer these
days even when they use sun block. And the answer doctors are giving nowadays
is wear more clothes when you go outside dont depend on sun block. Ya, the
ancient wisdom of God wins we should wear more clothes when we go out, even
nature tells us that!
"The first and most effective way to
screen excess UV rays from penetrating the skin is a physical barrier. This
includes hats, long sleeve shirts, and other articles of clothing that
physically shield your skin. Wide, floppy hats are one of the best ways to
shield your face from excessive sunlight."
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Al: Wow, how exciting! Thanks for sharing
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[*] : =)-K I like
your statement H " the ancient wisdom of God wins" it made me smile
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hd: H: Wow, that is so practical, and Truth is soo
exciting... and practicing justice even has ANSWERS for minimizing Skin
cancer!! :+)
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1/17/14; 1/19/14; 1/31/14; 4/12/14
Could almost make a
Track ou of this...
Bible: Assyrian Code, Num 5, Susanna,
imitate!, Pet/Paul?: adorn as women of old/professing
God-reverence, 1Co 11, Turtelliun
Jews Have A Clothing Parable to Play
"'On the day of the Lord's sacrifice I
will punish the princes and the king's sons and all those clad in foreign
clothes." (Zep_1:8)
Gen_12:11 <> 1Sa_17:42
Gen_23:1 - Sarah = 127 yrs
"Monumental evidence confirms the assertion of Scripture that a
fair complexion was deemed a high recommendation in the age of the Pharaohs (ride
Hengstenberg"s "Egypt and the Books of Moses," p. 200)."
Jdt_11:21-23 Brenton There is not such a woman from one end of the earth to the other, both
for beauty of face, and wisdom of words.
22 Likewise Holofernes said unto her. God hath done well to send thee
before the people, that strength might be in our hands and destruction upon
them that lightly regard my lord.
23 And now thou art both beautiful in thy countenance, and witty
in thy words: surely if thou do as thou hast spoken thy God shall be my God,
and thou shalt dwell in the house of king Nabuchodonosor, and shalt be renowned
through the whole earth.
Judith_10:7
And
when they saw her, that her countenance was altered, and her apparel was
changed, they wondered at her beauty very greatly, and said unto her.
Judith_10:14
Now
when the men heard her words, and beheld her countenance, they wondered greatly
at her beauty, and said unto her,
Judith_10:19
And
they wondered at her beauty, and admired the children of Israel because of her,
and every one said to his neighbour, Who would despise
this people, that have among them such women? surely
it is not good that one man of them be left who being let go might deceive the
whole earth.
Judith_10:23
And
when Judith was come before him and his servants they all marvelled at the
beauty of her countenance; and she fell down upon her face, and did reverence
unto him: and his servants took her up.
Judith_11:21
There
is not such a woman from one end of the earth to the other, both for beauty of
face, and wisdom of words.
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Zion Road
January 26, 2013
In 1892, the personal agenda of an
adolescent diarist read: "Resolved, not to talk about myself or feelings. To think before speaking. To work
seriously. To be self restrained in conversation and actions. Not let my
thoughts wander. To be dignified. Interest myself more
in others."
Later in 1982 a girl's New Year's resolution:
" I will try to make myself better in anyway I possibly can with the help
of my budget and babysitting money. I will lose weight, get new lenses, already
got a new haircut, good makeup, new clothes and accessories."
The traditional emphasis on "good
works" as opposed to "good looks" meant that lives of young
women in the 19th century had a very different orientation from those of girls
today. Before World War 1, girls rarely mentioned their bodies in terms of
strategies for self improvement or struggles of personal identity. Becoming a
better person meant paying less attention to self, giving more assistance to
others, and putting more effort into instructive reading or lessons at school.
Many parents tried to limit their daughters interests
in superficial things such as hairdos, dresses or the size of their waist,
because character was considered more important than beauty, both by parents
and the community. And character was built on attention to self control,
service to others, and belief in God. When girls of the 19th century thought
about ways to improve themselves, they almost always focused on their internal
character and how it was reflected in outward behavior. In fact, girls who were
preoccupied with their looks were likely to be accused of vanity or
self-Indulgence.
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10/19/13; 11/18/13
>> !! Get/Study/incorporate all of
Eze_16: & 32
Eze_16:57 נסὸ פןῦ ἀנןךבכץצטῆםבי
פὰע
ךבךίבע ףןץ –
being stripped naked
Eze_16:10
װסיקבנפש:
- NETS: hair-veil
- Google: lace
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פסיקןנפשףח:
hair loss
פסיקב-: hair
-נפש:
downward
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8/20/13
sir 8: good
morphed
God Made
Women Curvy
Hebrew
"rib" [הצלעH6763 And the rib] means "as if
curved"
as a stack of weat
Sir_8: turn your eyes from a good
morphed woman
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are there less
restrictions with women seeing men? Consider: non-related women not comming to
the cross vs. women going to prepare Jesus' body. - where
they going to do this carefully to not change what they did at the cross?
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BBS: BDC Lies about Muslem Women's face veil
7/14/13
"First,
let's clear away some false problems. The specter of "Eurabia" is a
no-show. Studies point to the decline of Muslim birthrates in ways that
parallel other populations worldwide. Also, over the centuries Islamic jurists
never agreed on the specifics of modest dress for women. Local cultures
determined what women wore. The face covering is mostly a recent invention,
and, in fact, a rarity, even if numbers seem to be growing. Some sources put
the number of women wearing it in all of Europe at 2,000."
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/november/16.58.html
7/14/13
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"France
has by far the highest percentage of Muslims in Europe (8.3 percent, more than
double the UK's figure), and its brand of extreme secularism (laןcitי) requires minorities to shed their cultural
distinctives to conform to the majority. Perhaps it's no coincidence that in
France the burqa ban, passed by Parliament on the eve of Bastille Day, was
followed by threats to strip people of their citizenship for crimes like
polygamy, female circumcision, and threatening a policeman, and the deportation
of hundreds of Roma, or Gypsies. Issues of cultural and national identity are
rolled up under the burqa heading."
--
Muslims know how to obey 1Co_11, but
"christians" only know how to make excuses to disobey it.
7/30/13
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- look up
what "feet" the shunimite held onto with Elisha...
- it is immoral for women to shamelessly show off their
forhead, but, it is not immoral for John to see a vission of such a perverted
Harlot with a name written on her forhead. - it is
always evil for the woman to show, but not necisarilly evil2
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find: 'see the
*shame of your nakedness* - also: re-read Num5, and what word is used for the
priests???
BDC:
to veil or not
to veil – the extent of the head covering...
- Eli
watcher er mouth!!!!
>> got
to define: head covering, face veil, bonet, doily, etc.
BDC: remove
"loins" to Purity Proclamation ??
Clothing
Exceptions
Being born –
Job: naked i came into the world, naked i will go out
Isa / Eze –
prophesying in the house uncovered
Saul
prophesying
Peter in the
boat w John
A House is a
Big Covering
when you go into
a house, then there is no need for a head coveirng or himation
- "a
house to cover shame"
- this is partly why women are to bussy at home (that way they
do not always have to be entirely covered)
- a house calls for the minimum
dress code that
applies even to family.
1. the seriousness of the head covering
- mat5,
- Thess: keep the traditions, etc.
2. The Universality Of the Headcovering
- have the laodiceans read this letter,
- 1co1 with all those in every place...
- did the word of God originate w you?
- as in all the assemblies of the Holy Ones
Is
the coverng about approaching God, or is it about modesty?
- we all with open face...
- neither male nor female...
- to God all thing are naked and bear
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How
much Does a Himation Cover?
H8071
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Strongs
#8071: AHLB#: 2489 (e1)
2489) Lmx% (Lmx% SML) ac: ? co:
Image ab: ?: The form or shape of an image.
Nm) Lmx% (Lmx% S-ML) - Image: [freq.
5] |kjv: figure, image, idol| {str: 5566}
ef1) Elmix% (Elmix% SYM-LH) - Garment: As forming to the image of the
body. [df: hlmV] [freq. 29] |kjv: raiment, clothes,
garment, apparel, cloth, clothing| {str: 8071}
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WS:
"ִשְׂמָלה
sלimlāh: A feminine noun
meaning clothing, a garment. It refers to a relatively large garment, either an
external garment heavy enough to sleep in (Exo_22:27 [26]); or a blanket
large enough to cover a person lying on a bed (Gen_9:23). A change of garments
could indicate a new beginning or getting ready for travel (Gen_35:2). It refers to
clothes in general (Gen_37:34; Deu_22:5)."
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LXX:
Deu_21:13 ךבὶ נוסיוכוῖע פὰ ἱלάפיב
פῆע
בἰקלבכשףίבע בὐפῆע ἀנ᾿ בὐפῆע
shun the shame...
worship of paganism is shame!
Jer_3:24
understanding shame:
need to go
throughout these hebrew words and put it all together...
H1322
בֶּשׁת
bōšeṯ: A feminine noun denoting shame, humiliation, disgrace. The word depicts the
feelings of guilt, disgrace, and embarrassment persons experience because of
unfortunate acts or words committed (1Sa_20:30; 2Ch_32:21). Humiliation and
disgrace was brought on God's people through the exile at the hands of Babylon
(Ezr_9:7), but He could also
bring shame on one's enemies (Job_8:22). Used with its
related verb bפš, it could express deep shame (Isa_42:17); with the word face
following, it could express a face of shame (2Ch_32:21; Ezr_9:7; Jer_7:19; Dan_9:7-8) meaning their
"own shame." To be clothed with shame is a figurative expression of
the psalmist (Psa_35:26; Psa_132:18). The phrase
"shame of your youth" (Isa_54:4) refers to Israel's
early indiscretions. The biblical authors would sometimes substitute this word
for the word ba‛al in a person's name,
emphasizing the shame of ever recognizing such a pagan god (2Sa_2:8; Jdg_6:32). In other places and
ways, it replaces the word ba‛al that became so
closely attached to the gods of Canaan (Jer_3:24; cf. Jer_11:13; Hos_9:10).
song about dressing
modestly
Chapter 1 – AdDressing
Dressing
Modesty or Hell
Choose
Visual Prostitution – Dressing Immodestly Makes You A Prostitute
Repent of Prostitution!
Pro_7:1-27 – dangers of the
strange woman
Pro_7:6-9 – Foolish youth
who is doomed
Pro_7:10 – Clothing of a
Prostitute
Pro_7:11-21 – flattery, kisses, and embraces
Pro_7:21-23 – She kills him
like an animal
Pro_7:24-27 – Strong men
taken down by her
Isa_3:16-26 – haughty and
walk with outstretched necks, glancing wantonly with their eyes, mincing along
as they go
mincing walk is a wanton walk
Eze_16:30 What a sick heart you have, says the Sovereign LORD, to do
such things as these, acting like a shameless prostitute –
Refuse to be ashamed
Rev_16:
Rev_17:1 – 18:24
Rev_18:3 – all nations have
drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality
1Pe_3:3-4 – the hidden
person of the heart
1Sa_16:7 – God looks at
heart
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lusts
1Pe_2:11 – abstain from
lusts
Gal_5:13 – no free flesh
indulgence
Gal_5:19 – aselgeia
1Jo_2:16-17 – lust of the
flesh
Rom_13:14 – ESV …But put on
the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh…
Galatians 5:19-21 ESV Now
the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality…
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1Ti_2:8-10 –
2Ti_2:22
1Co_8:9 – no stumbling
block
Ordained Clothes
Gen 3:7, 21 – Adam and Eve
covered themselves with fig leaves, it wasn’t enough. God gave them skins to
cover them
The Hebrew words Moses used
(kuttoneth labesh) means a covering to wrap around the body.
https://www.christistheway.com/a-prostitutes-clothing/
Exo_20:26 – And you shall
not go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness be not exposed on it.’
Exodus 39:28 ESV And the turban of fine linen, and the caps of fine linen,
and the linen undergarments of fine twined linen,
Ezekiel 44:18 ESV They
shall have linen turbans on their heads, and linen undergarments around their
waists. They shall not bind themselves with anything that causes sweat.
Dan_3:21 – ESV Then these
men were bound in their cloaks, their tunics, their hats, and their other
garments, and they were thrown into the burning fiery furnace.
Mat_5:28 –
Mar_7:21-23 –
Heart-Generated Prostitution
Mat_15:
Isa_61:10 – clothed me with
the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness
Pro_31:30 – Charm is
deceptive…
Pro_11:22 – “Like a gold
ring in a pig’s snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.”
The Body
1Co_6:19-20 – body
temple…flee prostitution
1Co_12:23 – bestow honor on
private parts
Rom_12:1-2 – bodies a
living and holy sacrifice…not conformed
1Co_6:13 – The body,
however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord
1Co_6:20 – For you were bought with a price. So
glorify God in your body.
1Co_7:4 – husband has
exclusive authority over wife’s body
Romans 13:14-15 “Rather,
clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do
not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.”
2Ki_9:30 ESV …Jezebel heard
of it. And she painted her eyes
Jer_4:30 ESV And you, O
desolate one, what do you mean that you dress in scarlet, that you adorn
yourself with ornaments of gold, that you enlarge your eyes with paint? In vain
you beautify yourself. Your lovers despise you; they seek your life.
Revelation 3:18 ESV …white
garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may
not be seen
Galatians 5:16-17 “But I
say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the
flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit
against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may
not do the things that you please.”
https://biblereasons.com/modesty/
12/26/22
1Th_5:22 – Abstain from
every form of evil.
Luke 17:1-2 ESV And he said to his disciples, “Temptations to sin are sure
to come, but woe to the one through whom they come!
Some historical reading:
https://thetransformedwife.com/acting-and-dressing-like-a-harlot/
anti-absolute-clothing Heretic
https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/5-things-bible-does-and-doesnt-say-about-modesty/
“The Bible doesn’t teach a
dress code.”
https://412teens.org/qna/what-does-the-Bible-say-about-modesty.php
Sexual Murder
Ezekiel 16:38 ESV / 2
helpful votes
And I will judge you as
women who commit adultery and shed blood are judged, and bring upon you the
blood of wrath and jealousy.
Isa_47:2-3 – uncovered
shame
Introduction
The Bible is extremely more practical than we’ve ever given it credit for, and one of the most needed teachings of all time, especially in corrupted cultures like perverted America, is a teaching about the Biblical Dress Code. That the Bible would even address such a thing is almost foreign to the minds of those who have so loosely and whimsically treated the Bible for so many years. But here is the reality that lawless grace perverters have always feared and threatened off with charges of legalism. Here is the reality that the Bible actually gives us specifics on how to dress in a way that would please God in True Holiness!
God actually cares about us enough to not let us carelessly continue dressing how it seems best in our own culturally blinded eyes. Get ready to be redeemed from sensuality unto a life style of dressing modestly, protecting your fellow brothers and sisters from sin, and being freed up to live in the pleasing honor and greatness that God has called us too.
If you can believe this truth then it can change your life, right down to the way you dress.
The Right Attitude
Things to Remember
· Pursuing Specific Modesty is better than licensing immorality in the name of
not being legalistic*
· God is trying to cloth us
both physically for our present needs and spiritually for our eternal needs
· God is very merciful toward
our past ignorance when we are humble, but calls us to change once we become
aware of His standards.
· Cutting pieces of clothing
away from the area that God has clothed is to cut away from the Biblical Dress
Code.
· God is not the God of the
whims of our culture but of the clear lines and standards of His Word.
*Read these verses: Jud_1:4 (NO
“licensing” evil); Mat_7:13-14 (God’s way is
restricted)
Jer_6:16
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The Old Paths
Jer_6:16-19 WEB Thus says Yahweh, [the Lord] Stand you in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way; and walk therein, and you shall find rest for your souls: but they said, We will not walk therein. 17 I set watchmen over you, saying, Listen to the sound of the trumpet; but they said, We will not listen. 18 Therefore hear, you nations, and know, congregation, what is among them. 19 Hear, earth: behold, I will bring evil on this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not listened to my words; and as for my law, they have rejected it.
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[ 1Pe_3:3-6 ]
Make Yourself Beautiful the Way the Women in the Past Did
1Pe_3:3-6 KJ2000 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of braiding the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 5 For after this manner in former times the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord [i.e. “Sir” or “master” (κυριον)]: whose daughters you are, as long as you do well, and are not afraid with any terror.
What Can we say to This?
In light of this Scripture: Forget all of the paranoias about “not violating people’s culture.” Instead let us radically over-though all of the unbiblical ways to re-establish a better way which is Biblical and superior to our culture.
God Wants to Clothe You
God is Trying to
Cloth Us
· You can be most comfortable not being fully covered when part of your heart wants people to lust after you.
· What would happen to your dress if you truly prayed, “Lord, may no one be attracted to me today.”
· To cover yourself means to pursue honor and to hate participating in lust.
· Being modest physically reflects going after the honor of truth and righteousness that God has called us to Spiritually.
· Consider all the times God said that He wants to cloth His people’s nakedness…
2Co_5:2-4 WEB For most assuredly in this we groan, longing to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven; 3 if so be that being clothed we will not be found naked. 4 For indeed we who are in this tent do groan, being burdened; not that we desire to be unclothed, but that we desire to be clothed, that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.
Rev_19:8-9 EMTV And to her it was granted that she should be dressed in fine linen, bright and pure, for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints. 9 Then he said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' "…
God commissions us to go and do the same to others
physically, (which cloths us spiritually)…
The Good Samaritan
Luk_10:30-37 EMTV …"A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and encountered bandits, who after having stripped him of his clothing and having wounded him, departed, leaving him half dead…. 33 But a certain Samaritan, as he traveled … 34 And coming to him, he bandaged his wounds, …and took care of him. 37 …Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise."
Jas_2:14-17 KJVCNT What does it profit, my brothers, though a man say he has faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are necessary to the body; what does it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone.
Mat_25:34-36, 40 WEB …'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom… 35 for I was… 36 naked, and you clothed me…
40 …'Most assuredly I tell you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'
We do these things to be clothed spiritually
Don’t walk naked in heaven
Rev_3:17-19 WEB Because you say, 'I am rich, and have gotten riches, and have
need of nothing;' and don't know that you are the wretched one, miserable,
poor, blind, and naked; 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by
fire, that you may become rich; and white garments, that you may clothe
yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and eye
salve to anoint your eyes, that you may see.
19 As many as I love, I reprove and chasten. Be zealous therefore,
and repent.
Rev_16:15 KJVCNT Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Cooperate with Modesty!
Immodestly is partial nakedness. Therefore, it is unimaginable when we are “naked” but get offended if someone dares try to “cloth” us and exhort us to modesty! So our commission is to cloth and be clothed: first remove the “plank” then get the “speak” (Mat_7:1-5), and to do this, we have got to completely repent of and dismiss the “don’t judge me” mentality regarding cloths and modesty.
Don’t Flaunt what is Shameful
· Throughout the Bible we are always admonished to flee shame and to pursue modesty.
· We are not to flaunt what is supposed to be shameful: Hos_9:10
Exo_32:25-26 KJ2000 And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had let them be naked unto their shame among their enemies:) 26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me…
Isn’t it time for the Moses’ of our day to stand up and demand that we no longer flaunt the shame of our nakedness in the immodesty of our bodies?!
1Co_4:14 KJV I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
Eph_5:12 KJV For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
- Notice that he does not go on to make a joke about the shame, but shows us to avoid shame
Php_3:18-19 WEB For many walk, of whom I told you often, and now tell you even weeping, as the enemies of the cross of Christ, 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is the belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who think about earthly things.
Jud_1:12-13 EMTV These are stains in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves, they are waterless clouds being carried along by winds; late autumn trees unfruitful, twice having died, having been uprooted, 13 raging waves on the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars for whom the darkness of the netherworld has been reserved forever.
Remember Rev_3:17-19
and_16:15 above?
Rom_6:21 WEB What fruit then did you have at that time in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.
One of the horrible taints of Lust is the shame and guilt it leaves. If shame is a curse of sin, then let us shun it instead of dressing in it by removing proper clothing!
Mat_6:30 KJ2000 Therefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
We are supposed to be believing God
to provide clothing for us. How can we expect Him to provide the cloths we need
when we are not being faithful with the cloths we already have? By neglecting
to put them on and dress in modestly to cover our bodies we disrespect what God
has already given us.
Prophecy of Judgment
Showing off nakedness is a sign God gave for the Judgment of shame:
Isa_3:17; Jer_13:22, Jer_13:26; Mic_1:11; Rev_3:18; 16:15; 17:16
We should only pursue the same if we are ready to inherit the same judgment.
BIGGEST Disclaimer and Clarifier
This teach addresses an infinitely wide range of cases, many of which are not immediately dealing with salvation as much as they are with refining the hidden an unknown imperfections so that we can pursue God with greater holiness and perfection.
Because many of these cases involve honest ignorance, it does not figure that God is angry with many who are incomplete in this area, but I patient and hopeful for our perfection. God is only harsh to those who are not humble, but condemnation only rests on those who do not Love the Truth enough to change when God makes His will known.
I am sure that God uses all of us who obey Him in spite of the fact that there are MANY things beyond this teaching that we are blind to that we are in constant need of mercy for.
Jas_3:2 WEB For in many things we all stumble…
Just because you have never heard this teaching before does not mean that you should become defensive and feel criticized. I did not know it a lot of it either (in full) until I studied and found it out.
If you have been blind to this teaching, don’t be discouraged at how much you need to change, but be challenged and encouraged that you are being exposed to more of His divine standards rather than being left to your own concepts.
I hope that it would be of some affirmation to the reader that these standards are in many ways are beyond what I would have set. Some of these aspects are “more modest” than what I would think is modest. Therefore I humbly give as well as receive a more perfect understanding of modesty that has been lost and forgotten from our culture, even among practically all of the church.
These standards are not here because they will fit your idea of what it means to be modest, but because all of us are naturally given to such profound blind that we need our understanding radically altered.
We are often found without a clue that we are tempting people and helping them sin because we are desensitized from the desires that others have. If we keep God’s dress code we can avoid most of this.
The main answers is to be humble and open to the standards that God has set in the past admitting that we are blind enough to have missed them, and in need enough to warrant change. I hope you will always receive the admonition with this humility especially because if we say “we see” when we are blind thee “our sin remains!”
Earthly Icons of Heavenly Realities
Man is an icon of God
Woman is not an icon at all in this age, but she is the direct counter part of the assembly
(i.e. your life is hidden with anointed one…. when anointed one, who is our life appears, then you too will appear with him in Glory)
Swords are icons of real, spiritual swords
- angel in front of garden proves that heavenly swords predated our human swords
- Jesus has the truest sword that proceeds from His mouth
The Jewish Temple (lit. house) was an icon of the heavenly kingdom where God lives
>> still need to get Hebrews references for this…
Wis_9:8 Brenton Thou hast commanded me to build a temple upon thy holy mount, and an
altar in the city wherein thou dwellest, a resemblance of the holy tabernacle, which
thou hast prepared from the beginning.
Clothing is an icon of Righteous
- get Revelation refs, and others (OT prophets, some Epistles – that we do not stand naked, etc.)
- Righteous is truly REAL clothing that covers our shame forever
Always remember: when Moses struck the rock, he did not get into the physical Promised Land, and you will never escape if you defile God’s images of holiness hear on earth either.
Basic Principals
Modesty Shame is Actually Good!
Have you have herd of someone being “shameless”? Even though we greatly think of shame as very bad, yet we do not really understand why it is even worse to be “shameless”. It is time to wake up and finally understand the virtue of good shame!
Sir_4:21 Br-Gr For there is a shame that bringeth sin; and there is a shame which is
glory and grace.
Points to Ponder
Culture does affect what is viewed as “appropriate” and even what is considered “modest.”
When we depend on our culture to tell us what is appropriate we find ourselves in conflict with God who is always holding a more conservative view. Why? Because people tend toward sin!
You can continue to choose to base your standards on your culture’s instable perceptions and compromises, or on the ever-lasting Words of the Living God!
BIG Principals
· Don’t show them what you would NEVER want them to touch
· Don’t entice people with the parts of your body that are (exclusively) intended for marriage!
Principal Thoughts
God made cloak of skin as the first (legitimate) clothing (Gen_3:21 & compare Luk_15:22)
Some of us are still trying to wear “skimpy scraps” instead of full clothing, which is not enough for God
God wants us to be fully clothed!
This indicates that such cloaks are all that are necessary for modesty in the home, and God Himself is not offended at this, (& this correlates with the attitude that was held during Bible times)
The insistence on having veils for women is a societal necessity when there is potential for lust – that is, in a coed context!
Perhaps Rachel was covered by a draped cloth especially to shade from the sun, (as middle Eastern camels often are) but she did not put on her veil until Isaac was near
Extra cloths are needed for going out in public
Covering is not so much needed when we are (“unaware”) children just as Adam and Eve where naked during their probationary period of simplicity. When brought to this state of awareness prematurely God “conceded” to give them the cloths that would have otherwise been provided later at the proper time of healthy enlightenment.
God’s goal has always been wisdom and understanding in the proper mode rather than the vanity of “independent” acquisition of knowledge which “puffs us up” in pride as satan said, “you will be as gods knowing…”
So also the Gnostics as well as many University professors appeal to the enticement of “falsely called knowledge” that is perused unsubmitted to the governing of righteousness.
These clothing ideas are not based on temporary shifting principals, but on eternal ones ordained by god Himself even before mankind knew what clothing was.
Psa_119:89 KJ2000 …Forever, O LORD, your word is settled in heaven.
Which is true even for clothing, since the priests clothing was based as an exact shadow of things going on in heaven designed before man fell:
Heb_8:4-5 KJVCNT …there are priests [with their priestly clothing] that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, says he, that you make all things [including the priestly clothing] according to the pattern showed to you in the mount.
We should have reverence for this and fear what God has made and ordained as clothing, because it is an eternal standard that is establish in the heavens forever!
Remember:
Despite what God prescribes to the priests, He still sees all things. He Himself is not offended at the human body, but at our sinful inclination to pervert it having acquired our awareness of the shame of our sexuality prematurely from rebellious means.
God himself knows how we are inclined to perversion, and so to protect us from it He gives us proper clothing that will cover even the perversion we are not aware of:
Who can know his own heart…
There is a way that seems right.. death
Also compare: “we don’t know what we aught to pray for”
We don’t know what’s best for us!!!
Dressing immodestly shows an internal affinity toward that which is dishonorable and detestable toward God. Let us flee from that which is hated and rejected by God and seek honor from Him:
Those who seek honor immortality and life…
Pharisees Love praise from men rather than Loving praise from God…
Jesus looked to the reward…
Don’t deny godly ambitions in the name of being “humble.” Be humble in regards to the flesh but be courageous in Jesus who has called us to greatness.
Pursuing that which is shameful incurs the wrath of God
Foaming out of their own shame…
It is shameful to even mention what they do… (so why is it that we so lightly make jokes about shameful things and play up the sinfulness that God so hates????)
Cry out for wisdom….. to that you will not inherit shame
Women are Special
It should be noted that the Biblical attitude is acknowledge that facial beauty is more of a defining (and tempting) feature in a woman than a man. For some reason God has particularly endowed beauty to the face of women in a way unique to them that is not so with men.
Many men have stumbled at beauty
Because God has entrusted a special gift of representing beauty in a woman’s face it also comes with greater responsibility to manage that gift in a way that is honorable…
So what is the application of all of this concerning the face?
It represents the church:
The king desires your beauty…Forget your people…
This image entrusted to women ought to be taken seriously especially since it reflects the way God feels attracted to His people and loves to beautify them as his bride. This means that tainting this image and representation on earth is a hatful crime because it distorts part of the picture of the very LOVE of GOD Himself!
For this very reason women are particularly admonished to keep holy that which God has entrusted to them for purity.
So why is it?
· Guys usually sweat more than girls (they usually like it cooler)
· Guys are much more visually tempted than girls (yet…)
· Girls typically where skimpier clothing than guys
· Guys (usually) have more going on for a shirt than girls in younger culture, when girls should be all the more modest in this area because of temptation!
· This tenancy toward skimpiness even holds true in the church!
Other Thoughts
Different Lusts
It is one thing if people choose to lust, it’s another in another thing if they are overtaken by unsympathetic seduction.
Some people are overcome and lust unwillingly and are less guilty than those who willingly dress in a
way to cause it.
The way you dress does not always stop those who choose to lust, but it does always mess up people who lust unwillingly! Dress might not alter those who sin willfully, but it will weaken those who sin unwillfully.
Carless dress consistently causes those who are week (and often those who are strong) to stubble into sin against their intentions.
You could make any touch lustful but there are some areas you could not make clean!
Don’t show the world what is reserved for a spouse!
Don’t Cling
God’s priests wore layers of clothing that did not “show off their figure.” And why would they? Clothing is to COVER not to “show off” one’s body.
If “guys are very aware of your body” as Pastor Mike says then don’t show or “hint” it to them.
Women throughout the ages have been more covered in morally sensitive cultures than men in recognition of the greater potential for lust.
Principal:
In all the ways that women have skimpier clothing than men, this is a direction of departure from morality to lust. Without the drive of lust, women would were at least as much or more clothing than men.
Remember: I’m not assuming that these things are done consciously as “willful sin” is done, but I’m bringing them to the light for us to deal with.
With the Biblical Dress Code, the idea is not to make your cloths “cling” or conform to your body, but to COVER your body. The priest had many layers of clothing, we should too if we aspire to be those who belong to Jesus who have been made “kings and priests.”
Don’t be under the
law
For the New Covenant, being under the law means insulting God by trying to do just the minimum requirements of what He has specifically for bidden. Living in the New Covenant means having a heart purified inside that goes beyond the specific external requirements and not even wanting to go the direction of immorality, much less push it to its limits!
So how far is too far? Under the New Covenant the instant you go the wrong direction you’ve gone too far in trespassing God’s purity standard that begins in the heart. Once you’ve got the heart part you’ve kept the fulfilled law by stopping from the need to sin or go in its direction.
Remember that those who sin are condemned, but those who bring in the cause of sin are condemned even greater! Woe to someone who is tripped up in lust, but woe even more to the one who has not prepared themselves and has caused their brother or sister to fall!
Search for:
Makeup
“Cloaks”
God has set priests to be merciful to sins committed in ignorance
Don’t only dress to your own safety standards, but dress in a way that could be righteously imitated by all who are watching you as an example.
Be example to believers…
Come together to stir one another up to love and good works…
Don’t “embolden” another’s conscience to do wrong
None of us lives to himself nor dies to himself (‘no one is an island’)
The Minimum Dress Code
How to Dress around
Family
At least in most cases when possible, it is not even good for family to see too much of family in this way:
Noah
Lev_18
God made them [both] cloaks of skin
Lev_18:6 CAB No man
shall draw near to any of his near kindred to uncover their nakedness; I am
the Lord.
REAL Definition
In the Bible, naked does not always mean “fully unclothed,” but it often refers to not having the whole body covered. To God, being “naked” means coming short of the Biblical Dress Code. In the cold it can refer to more than the biblical dress code (see Jas_2:15-16, quoted previously, and 2Co_11:27 quoted below).
Mat_25:35-36 WEB 35 for I was… 36 naked, and you clothed me…
Act_19:16 KJV And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
1Co_4:11 KJV Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
2Co_11:23-27 KJV Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more… 27 …in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
It is safe to say the Apostles had some kind of cloths, but often not enough to cloth them fully as they would desire for dignity sake. These rags being incomplete clothing make the apostles unwillingly “naked.”
2Co_6:4, 10 KJV But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God… 10 …as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
Joh_21:7-9 WEB …Peter
heard that it was the Lord, he wrapped his coat around him (for he was naked),
Rom_8:35 KJV Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Jas_2:15-16 KJVCNT 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are necessary to the body; what does it profit?
Others Include:
Possibly Mar_14:51-52 (above)
--- Look up “nakedness” in OT
Ignorant sin
Ignorant sin is certainly a reality, so let us eagerly cry out for knowledge to be found unblamable before Him having forsaken willful ignorance.
Whether or not you are aware of God’s standards, they will remain true and eternal having been established in the Heavens. Please don’t get mad at me because I did not make this up. I am doing you great good by seeking to not let you continue unaware of God’s forgotten standards.
Read Pro_2
The Need For a Himation!
There are so many
countless references for this, and as I may find them I am looking forward to
adding them here…
Exo_22:25-27 CAB
And
if you should lend money to your poor brother who is among you, you shall not
be hard upon him — you shall not charge interest from him. 26 And if you take your neighbor's
garment [ἱμάτιον] for a pledge, you shall restore
it to him before sunset. 27 For this is
his clothing [περιβόλαιον
– this is the thing he throws around him], this is the only *covering of his nakedness [* ἱμάτιον
ἀσχημοσύνης –
“nakedness” is fig.; himation (‘cloak’) to properly “arrange” over the frame of
his body so as not to display its shame – it is counted as a “disarrangement”
(ἀσχημοσύνης) to show
the frame of the body when laying down in public (since he has no house or
private room to sleep in)];
how shall he sleep? If then he shall cry to Me, I will hearken to him, for I am
merciful.
A Woman’s “Shape” is Still An Issue?
Sir_9:8 Brenton Turn away [ἀπόστρεψον] thine eye from a beautiful [εὐμόρφου
– good-morphed/good-shaped] woman, and *look not upon [* μὴ
καταμάνθανε – do
not (thoroughly) learn down; i.e. study the qualities of…] another's beauty [κάλλος ἀλλότριον
– i.e. goodness/good looks/beauty that belongs to someone else]; for many have been deceived [ἐπλανήθησαν] by the beauty of a woman [κάλλει
γυναικὸς]; for herewith [καὶ ἐκ
τούτου – and out of
this] *[warm
affectionate] love [φιλία] is kindled as a fire [* φιλία ὡς
πῦρ ἀνακαίεται].
Sir_9:8 Greek ἀπόστρεψον
ὀφθαλμὸν ἀπὸ
γυναικὸς εὐμόρφου
καὶ μὴ καταμάνθανε
κάλλος ἀλλότριον·
ἐν κάλλει
γυναικὸς
πολλοὶ ἐπλανήθησαν,
καὶ ἐκ τούτου
φιλία ὡς πῦρ ἀνακαίεται.
Is
this a woman in Biblical dress code? Or
is this an immoral woman showing off more than she should, making her shape an
issue?
The
purpose of feminine modesty makes it to where men do not have to lust.
Consider: If
a woman is avoiding than prostitution of her own body, men will not always have
to quickly look away to avoid defiling her sexuality. If a man hast a dart his eyes away from a
woman as she walks along, she is prosecuting and cheapening herself. A man only “has to” look away when a woman
shows her fornication in his face.
Lingering
Questions
Because
of these general principles, I wonder what kind of a scene this passage has in
mind. Is she so WELL SHAPED that
absolute modesty still makes her an issue?
Can she ever going public then, if her sexuality is exposed even under
sufficient clothing?
Another
possibility: is this talking exclusively about the body, or could this
possibly be talking about the face and or eyes?
Could this be why Brenton represents this as “beautiful”?
In seeking to answer some of these questions, I found/looked up a two related references.
Wis_7:10 Brenton I loved her above health and beauty, and chose to have her instead
of light: for the light that cometh from her never goeth out.
Wis_7:10 Greek ὑπὲρ ὑγίειαν καὶ
εὐμορφίαν ἠγάπησα
αὐτὴν καὶ
προειλόμην αὐτὴν
ἀντὶ φωτὸς ἔχειν,
ὅτι ἀκοίμητον
τὸ ἐκ ταύτης φέγγος.
But the most helpful Greek passage was probably from fourth
Maccabees…
4Ma_8:2-4 Brenton The tyrant [τυράννου] having given this charge [διαταξαμένου], seven brethren were brought into his presence, along with their
aged mother, handsome [καλοί
– good (looking) – SAME AS Sir_9:8; (Used for both men and women in
Greek.)], and modest [αἰδήμονες
– lit. those who are not perceived; i.e. having the character of
avoiding perception], and well-born [γενναῖοι], and *altogether [favorably] comely [* παντὶ
χαρίεντες]. 3 Whom, when the
tyrant beheld [ἰδὼν], encircling their mother as in a dance [καθάπερ
ἐν χορῷ], he was pleased at them; and being struck with their becoming [εὐπρεπείας
ἐκπλαγεὶς] and ingenuous mien [εὐγενείας
προσεμειδίασεν], smiled upon them, and calling them near, said: 4 O youths [νεανίαι], with favourable feelings [φιλοφρόνως
– warm, love-able-minded-ness -- SAME AS Sir_9:8], I admire [θαυμάζω
– breath hot in astonishment (over)] the beauty [κάλλος
– SAME AS Sir_9:8] of each of you; and *greatly honouring [* ὑπερτιμῶν] so numerous a band of brethren, I not only counsel you not to
share the madness of the old man who has been tortured before, 5 but I do beg you
[παρακαλῶ] to yield [συνείξαντάς], and to enjoy my friendship [ἀπολαύειν
φιλίας --
SAME AS Sir_9:8]; for I possess the
power, not only of punishing those who disobey my commands, but of doing good
to those who obey them.
[note: Greek is out of sync, So that verse 2 is verse 3 in
Greek, etc.]
4Ma_8:3-5 Greek ταῦτα
διαταξαμένου
τοῦ τυράννου,
παρῆσαν ἀγόμενοι
μετὰ γεραιᾶς
μητρὸς ἑπτὰ ἀδελφοὶ
καλοί τε καὶ αἰδήμονες
καὶ γενναῖοι
καὶ ἐν παντὶ χαρίεντες. 4 οὓς ἰδὼν
ὁ τύραννος καθάπερ
ἐν χορῷ μέσην
τὴν μητέρα
περιέχοντας ἥσθετο
ἐπ᾿ αὐτοῖς
καὶ τῆς εὐπρεπείας
ἐκπλαγεὶς καὶ
τῆς εὐγενείας
προσεμειδίασεν
αὐτοῖς καὶ
πλησίον καλέσας
ἔφη 5 Ὦ νεανίαι, φιλοφρόνως
ἐγὼ καθ᾿
ἑνὸς ἑκάστου ὑμῶν
θαυμάζω, τὸ κάλλος
καὶ τὸ πλῆθος
τοσούτων ἀδελφῶν
ὑπερτιμῶν οὐ
μόνον
συμβουλεύω μὴ
μανῆναι τὴν αὐτὴν
τῷ
προβασανισθέντι
γέροντι μανίαν,
[5 in Brenton] ἀλλὰ
καὶ παρακαλῶ
συνείξαντάς
μοι τῆς ἐμῆς ἀπολαύειν
φιλίας·
4Ma_8:8-9 Brenton For if you provoke me by your disobedience, you will compel me to
destroy you, every one, with terrible punishments by tortures. 9 Have mercy, then, upon your own selves, whom I, although an
enemy, compassionate for your age and comeliness [εὐμορφίας
-- SAME AS Sir_9:8].
4Ma_8:9-10 Greek ἐπεί, ἐὰν ὀργίλως
με διάθησθε διὰ
τῆς ἀπειθείας, ἀναγκάσετέ
με ἐπὶ δειναῖς
κολάσεσιν ἕνα ἕκαστον
ὑμῶν διὰ τῶν
βασάνων ἀπολέσαι. 10 κατελεήσατε οὖν ἑαυτούς,
οὓς καὶ ὁ πολέμιος
ἔγωγε καὶ τῆς ἡλικίας
καὶ τῆς εὐμορφίας
οἰκτίρομαι.
Since
these men were modest and good shaped, this evidence implies that see Sirach
did not specify an immodest woman. I tend to think from all of this that the
body is included by implication, but the face is initially in view.
Bosom Cape Dress / Chiton
Luk_6:38 CAB Give,
and it shall be given to you: good measure, pressed down and shaken and running
over they shall give into your bosom.
For with the same measure that you use, it shall be measured back to you."
Luk_6:38 Greek δίδοτε, καὶ
δοθήσεται ὑμῖν·
μέτρον
καλὸν,
πεπιεσμένον
καὶ
σεσαλευμένον
καὶ ὑπερεκχυνόμενον
δώσουσιν εἰς τὸν
κόλπον ὑμῶν·
τῷ γὰρ αὐτῷ
μέτρῳ ᾧ
μετρεῖτε, ἀντιμετρηθήσεται
ὑμῖν.
“The
bosom of an oriental garment, the loose cavity or hollow formed by the doubling
of a robe, a fold for carrying things as a pocket (Luk_6:38;
Sept.: Isa_65:6; Jer_39:18). A bay, creek (Act_27:39).”
(WS
on G2859)
“Bosom - Κολπον, or
lap. Almost all ancient nations wore long, wide, and loose garments;
and when about to carry any thing which their hands could not contain, they
used a fold of their robe in nearly the same way as women here use their
aprons. The phrase is continually occurring in the best and purest Greek
writers. The following example from Herodotus, b. vi.,
may suffice to show the propriety of the interpretation given above, and to
expose the ridiculous nature of covetousness. “When Croesus had promised to
Alcmaeon as much gold as he could carry about his body at once, in order to
improve the king’s liberality to the best advantage, he put on a very wide
tunic, (κιθωνα
μεγαν), leaving a great space in the Bosom, κολπον
βαθυν, and drew on the largest buskins he could
find. Being conducted to the treasury, he sat down on a great heap of gold, and
first filled the buskins about his legs with as much gold as they could
contain, and, having filled his whole Bosom, κολπον,
loaded his hair with ingots, and put several pieces in his mouth, he walked out
of the treasury, etc.” What a ridiculous figure must this poor sinner have cut, thus heavy laden with gold, and the love of money!
See many other examples in Kypke and Raphelius. See also Psa_129:7; Pro_6:27;
Pro_17:23.”
(Clark)
Greek Note: It seems like “κιθωνα”
here is the phonetically the same (or in a similar etymological relation?) to “χιτῶνά”
(as in Mat_5:40) -- κ and χ are
sometimes interchanged, and similarly, θ and τ are
interchanged in the Bible. These phonetically replace each other in various
spelling variations and morph into each other in various grammatical
constructions.
>> Note: In most contexts, this word is not “lap”. It is the
same as John leaning on the Bosom of Jesus
(i.e. which is not in his lap).
Exceptions
When some situations require it, there do seem to be exceptions in the dress code.
Same Gender Situations are the Main Exception, but Cross-Gender is
Not Allowed (except for parents)
Private Uncoveredness
more than once prophets were told to strip naked as a parable of the
prophecy they were to speak - the implication is that they did this as a
representation in private and then spoke of it in public as a parable...
Non-Co-ed Environments
The biggest principle is when men and women are not in the same place.
Privileged Family Members at The Crucifixion
When Jesus was crucified, many of the women were there, *standing at a distance* because of the social shame they poured on Him, but Jesus’ mother was able to come right up to the cross along with John so that Jesus was able to talk with her.
Mono-Gender Verification of the Resurrection
Joh_20:27
Fishing – Peter in Boat with John & Others
Temporary work:
Joh_21:2-8 CAB Simon Peter, Thomas called the Twin, Nathanael of
Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee,
and two others of His disciples were together. 3 Simon Peter said to them, "I am
going fishing." They said to him, "We are coming with you also."
They went out and immediately got into the boat, and that night they caught
nothing. 4 But
as daybreak had already come, Jesus stood upon the shore; however the disciples
did not know that it was Jesus. 5
Then Jesus said to them, "Children, have you any food?"
They answered Him, "No."
6 And He said to them, "Cast the
net on the right side of the boat, and you will find some." Therefore they cast, and they were not able to
haul it in because of the multitude of fish.
7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus
loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord!" Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put on his outer
garment (for he had removed it), and he threw himself into the sea. 8 But the other disciples came in the
little boat (for they were not far from the land, but about two hundred
cubits), dragging the net with fish.
Pajamas?
After a Night time
“Men’s Bible Study” with Jesus:
>> Note: I need to Add Song of
Songs here
Mar_14:51-52 WEB A certain young man followed him, having a linen cloth thrown around himself, over his naked body. The young men grabbed him, 52 but he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.
Circumcision
Paul circumcising Timothy
Shechem
Abraham Circumcised Isaac
Woman with Issue of Blood?
Mar_5:25-29 CAB Now a certain woman, *suffering from a flow of blood [* ἐν ῥύσει
αἵματος] twelve years, 26 and *who had suffered many things [* πολλὰ
παθοῦσα] *under many physicians [* ὑπὸ
πολλῶν ἰατρῶν
N-GPM], and who
had spent everything at her disposal, and was no better, but rather having
become worse, 27 when she heard about Jesus, she came from
behind Him in the crowd and touched His clothing. 28 For she was saying, "If only I
may touch His clothes, I will be healed."
29 And immediately the flow of her blood
was dried up, and she knew in her body that she had been healed from the
affliction.
Men or Women Did This?
“Physicians” [ἰατρῶν] is masculine in Greek, but she is said to be “under” [ὑπὸ]
them, not operated on “by them”. – this is a difference
in Greek. Under them pertains to her submitting under the authority of their
care (note: the word “submission” itself means to “arrange under” in Greek.)
Servant women (“Deaconesses”/ “Nurses”) who served womanly needs
typically did the actual work that involved uncovering the body. This is the
very reason that Churches had female servants (“deaconesses”) as the Scriptures
mention.
Parents
Moses’ wife circumcised their son
Women feed children (and “change diapers”)
Jesus’ mother Mary was at the cross with John, while the others
were standing afar off weeping
How Even Houses Have to Do with Modesty
2Co_5:1-4 CAB For we
know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building
from God, a house not made by hand, eternal in the heavens. 2 For also in this we groan, earnestly
desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not
be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being
burdened, inasmuch as we do not desire to be stripped, but to put on clothing, that that which is mortal may be
swallowed up by life.
I also need to get:
- a house to cover shame
The Hebrew Letter “Beta” Demands Special
Protection for Women’s Privacy over 16 Thousand times in the Torah!
Concerning
the hebrew Alpha bet: "Bet
Several variations were used for the original pictograph including, and b. Each
of these pictographs are representative of a house or tent. The pictograph b is
chosen as it best represents the nomadic tents of the Hebrews. The tent was
divided into two sections, men`s and women`s, with the entrance at the front of
the tent in the men`s section and an entrance from the men`s to the women`s
section. "
hd: [note: you cannot see the "b" pictures here in chat]
hd: Every time the Hebrew Bible uses the letter B, it is showing us that women should be protected in the inner room!
hd: wow... i like the Bible! :+)
hd: Evidently, the original Pentateuch said this ~ 16,280 times in pictorial form.
And what if we count the rest of the Old Testament (which would say this by implication of the reference back to the original pictograph)?
Pentateuch 16,280
History (Josh - Est) 23,910
Wisdom 7,937
Major Prophets 13,750
Minor Prophets 3,044
64,921
“Hhets
The ancient pictograph h is a picture of a tent wall. The meanings of this
letter are outside as the function of the wall is to protect the occupants from
the elements, halp as the wall in the middle of the tent divides the tent into
the male and female sections and secular as something that is outside.”
Chapter 2 – Covering The Whole Body
From Head to Toe, Starting with the
Toe
Feet
Can Be A Major Safe Zone
Feet Covering
Jdg_3:24 WEB Now when he was gone out, his servants came; and they saw, and behold, the doors of the upper room were locked; and they said, Surely he is covering his feet in the upper chamber.
Jdg_3:24 LB And he went out. And Eglon’s servants came, and saw, and behold, the doors of the upper chamber were locked. And they said, “Does he not uncover his feet in the summer-chamber?”
Jdg_3:24 καὶ αὐτὸς
ἐξῆλθεν. καὶ οἱ
παῖδες αὐτοῦ εἰσῆλθον
καὶ εἶδον καὶ ἰδοὺ
αἱ θύραι τοῦ ὑπερῴου
ἐσφηνωμέναι,
καὶ εἶπαν Μήποτε
ἀποκενοῖ τοὺς
πόδας αὐτοῦ ἐν
τῷ ταμιείῳ τῷ
θερινῷ;
Jdg_3:25 WEB They waited until they were ashamed; and behold, he didn't open the doors of the upper room: therefore they took the key, and opened them, and behold, their lord was fallen down dead on the earth.
Jdg_3:25 And they waited till they were ashamed, and behold, there was no one that opened the doors of the upper chamber; and they took the key, and opened them. And behold, their master was fallen down dead upon the ground.
Jdg_3:25
καὶ ὑπέμειναν,
ἕως ᾐσχύνοντο,
καὶ ἰδοὺ οὐκ ἔστιν
ὁ ἀνοίγων τὰς θύρας
τοῦ ὑπερῴου·
καὶ ἔλαβον τὴν
κλεῖδα καὶ ἤνοιξαν,
καὶ ἰδοὺ ὁ κύριος
αὐτῶν πεπτωκὼς
ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν
τεθνηκώς.
>> see: more “summer
chamber” refs in this chapter and elsewhere
“covering his feet ”
---------------
It is clear that no covering of the feet was necessary for modesty. In fact, the feet have always been the “safe zone” throughout the Bible, including (non-romantic) affection between men and women:
Rev_1:15 KJV And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
1Sa_25:41 KJV And she arose, and bowed herself on her face to the earth, and said, Behold, let thine handmaid be a servant to wash the feet of the servants of my lord.
2Ki_4:27 KJV And when she came to the man of God to the hill, she caught him by the feet: but Gehazi came near to thrust her away. And the man of God said, Let her alone… (also in 4:37)
Luk_7:44-45 WEB Turning to the woman, he said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I entered into your house, and you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head. 45 You gave me no kiss, but she, since the time I came in, has not ceased to kiss my feet.
Mat_28:1-9 WEB …Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb... 8 They departed quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring his disciples word. 9 As they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, "Rejoice!" They came and took hold of his feet, and worshiped him.
Joh_20:17 EMTV Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father…
Notice He did not say, “Don’t hold onto my feet because it is not appropriate.”
Also see:
Rth_3:4-9,
14 – Ruth approached the feet of Boaz to ask him to marry her
Lk_10:39 – Mary sat at Jesus’ feet
Jn_11:32 – Mary fell at Jesus’ feet
1Ti_5:10 – Righteous widows wash the saints feet
Rev_1:13 WEB And among the lampstands was one like a son of man, clothed with a robe reaching down to his feet, and with a golden sash around his chest.
-
His feet are not covered by his clothing.
Compare: Hands Can Be A Safe Zone
Thoroughly cover the entire leg
11/2/15
1Ti_2:7 for which I was appointed a herald
and apostle--I speak the truth in Christ, I do not lie--a
teacher of Gentiles in faith and truth.
1Ti_2:7 εἰς ὃ
ἐτέθην ἐγὼ
κῆρυξ καὶ ἀπόστολος,
ἀλήθειαν
λέγω ἐν
Χριστῷ, οὐ
ψεύδομαι,
διδάσκαλος ἐθνῶν·
ἐν πίστει
καὶ ἀληθείᾳ.
1Ti_2:8 I desire therefore that men pray
in every place, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
1Ti_2:8
Βούλομαι οὖν
προσεύχεσθαι
τοὺς ἄνδρας ἐν
παντὶ τόπῳ,
ἐπαίροντας ὁσίους
χεῖρας χωρὶς
ὀργῆς καὶ
διαλογισμοῦ.
1Ti_2:9 Likewise also that the women adorn
themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and discretion, not with braids or
gold or pearls or expensive clothing,
1Ti_2:9 ὡσαύτως
καὶ τὰς
γυναῖκας ἐν
καταστολῇ
κοσμίῳ,
μετὰ αἰδοῦς
καὶ
σωφροσύνης
κοσμεῖν ἑαυτάς,
μὴ ἐν
πλέγμασιν ἢ
χρυσῷ ἢ
μαργαρίταις ἢ
ἱματισμῷ
πολυτελεῖ,
1Ti_2:10 but which is fitting for women
professing godliness, by means of good works.
1Ti_2:10 ἀλλ᾿
ὃ πρέπει
γυναιξὶν ἐπαγγελλομέναις
θεοσέβειαν,
δι᾿ ἔργων ἀγαθῶν.
Lower Leg and Feet
All of this is similar to what is said by some,
The dress of
Orientals consists principally of an under garment or… Over these garments they
often throw a full and flowing mantle or robe. This is made without sleeves; it
reaches down to the ankles; and when they walk or exercise it is bound around
the middle with a girdle or sash. When they labor it is usually laid aside.
(Barnes)
Male skirts?
11/11/18
Do the traditional Scottish have it right after all?
Deu_27:20 WEB Cursed be he who lies with his father's wife, because he has uncovered his father's skirt. All the people shall say, Amen.
Deu_27:20 LB “’Cursed is the man that lies with his father's wife, because he has uncovered his father's nakedness.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
Deu_27:20 Ἐπικατάρατος
ὁ κοιμώμενος
μετὰ γυναικὸς
τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ,
ὅτι ἀπεκάλυψεν
συγκάλυμμα τοῦ
πατρὸς αὐτοῦ·
καὶ ἐροῦσιν πᾶς
ὁ λαός Γένοιτο.
Lower Leg
By this I mean what people would call the “shin,” below the knee and before the foot.
Long Robe References
I need to
check out Greek and Hebrew for these refs:
Jer_13:22
CAB And
if you should say in your heart, Why have these things happened to me? Because
of the abundance of your iniquity have your skirts been discovered, that your
heels might be exposed.
In the following reference, taking away lawlessness is associated with the Lord
clothing with a full length robe (reminds me of the demonic guy who was clothed
& in his right mind after Jesus cast the demons out :-)
Evidence from the LXX (not MT):
Zec_3:3-5 CAB (3:4) Now Joshua was clothed in filthy garments,
and stood before the Angel. 4
(3:5)
And the Lord answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying,
Take away the filthy garments from him. And He said to him, Behold, I have
taken away your iniquities, and clothed you with a *long
robe [MT/KJV: “change of raiment.H4254”; LXX:
ποδήρη
– a ‘feet-(ποδ-)-reaching’ robe – this agrees with Jesus’
example in the book of Revelation], 5 (3:6) and
place a clean turban upon his head. So they placed a clean turban upon his
head, and *clothed him with garments [περιέβαλον
αὐτὸν ἱμάτια].
And the Angel of the Lord stood by.
I am really encouraged that the Lord, in his glorified state, wears clothing
down to his feet :-)
And in speaking of Phineas and his long priestly rob, Wisdom says,
Wis_18:23-24 Brenton For when the dead were now fallen down by heaps one upon another,
standing between, he stayed the wrath, and parted the way to the living. 24 For in the long garment [ποδήρους
ἐνδύματος] was the whole world, and in the four rows of the stones was the
glory of the fathers graven, and thy Majesty upon the diadem of his head.
Long Robes Have Skirts -- Even for Men!
1/27/17
From Hebrew
Exo_28:33 (incl. LXX); Exo_28:34 (incl. LXX); Exo_39:24 (incl. LXX); Exo_39:25 (incl. LXX); Exo_39:26 (incl. LXX); Exo_39:31 (not MT); Isa_6:1; Jer_13:22; Jer_13:26; Lam_1:9; Nah_3:5;
Gird up the loins
This concept speaks of the binding together of loose clothing to be ready for swift action such as running or fighting. The idea is that it also at least partially exposed the lower leg. Although this may have been “undignified” to some in social situations, it does not seem to be a violation of modesty.
1Ki_18:46 KJV And the hand of the LORD was on Elijah; and he girded up his loins, and ran before Ahab to the entrance of Jezreel.
When the prodigal son returned, it says,
Luk_15:20 KJV …when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
- This suggests an expression of Love that apparently included showing the lower leg to run
Also see:
2Ki_4:29, 2Ki_9:1; Job_38:3; Jer_1:17; Eph_6:14; 1Pe_1:13
But for some significance we should also consider the perfection of dignity:
Rev_1:13 WEB And among the lampstands was one like a son of man, clothed with a robe reaching down to his feet, and with a golden sash around his chest.
Thighs
From the loins to the thighs
(Exo_28)
- Song of Songs
Exo_28 - Breaches
Isa_47:2-3 KJB Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover your locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers. 3 your nakedness shall be uncovered, yes, your shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet you as a man.
Jer_13:22-27 WEB If you say in your heart, Why are these things come on me? for the greatness of your iniquity are your skirts uncovered, and your heels suffer violence… 25 This is your lot, the portion measured to you from me, says Yahweh; because you have forgotten me, and trusted in falsehood. 26 Therefore will I also uncover your skirts on your face, and your shame shall appear. 27 I have seen your abominations, even your adulteries, and your neighing [i.e. lustfulness], the lewdness of your prostitution, on the hills in the field. Woe to you, Jerusalem! you will not be made clean…
Nah_3:5 KJ2000 Behold, I am against you, says the LORD of hosts; and I will uncover your skirts over your face, and I will show the nations your nakedness, and the kingdoms your shame.
That which is
sometimes translated as “hem” speaks of the “skirt” of the robe especially
since it is the same word:
Exo_28:33-35 ACV And upon the skirts7757 of it thou shall make pomegranates of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, round about the skirts7757 of it, and bells of gold between them round about: 34 a golden bell and a pomegranate, a golden bell and a pomegranate, upon the skirts7757of the robe round about. 35 And it shall be upon Aaron to minister… that he does not die.
And why do we
expect to go on dressing however we wish, when this is a life or death issue to
Aaron? Could it be that we do not have the right desires to be the HOLY nation
and priesthood that God has called us to be?
The point of these scriptures is to show that God specifically covered the leg, especially when it pertains to the thigh.
It used to be considered immodest to show the Things we Show
Some
of the Greek women wore them open on each side, from the bottom up above the
knee, so as to discover a part of the thigh. These were termed φαινομηριδες, showers (discoverers) of the thigh; but it was, in
general, only young girls or immodest women who wore them thus.
(Adam Clarke's
Commentary on the Bible, on 1Ti_2:9)
Loins
“In
the past, mennos had these home-sewn clothes for both sexes designed to try to
minimize attention to the, well, lumps.
The cape for women, the broadfall for men. Men also wore suspenders with
their broadfalls because it also seemed to help.
So
today, churches that emphasize modest dress require the cape and the
broadfalls.”
http://mennodiscuss.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12868&start=105
Accessed
9/29/13
See:
Broadfall Trousers
http://www.gohnbrothers.com/broadfall-pants.html
Zippers on Pants?
“Zippers
are even more easily unzipped in the mind than in reality.”
http://www.therebelution.com/modestysurvey/browse_174
9/29/13
“The two chief uses of the zipper in its early years were for closing boots and tobacco pouches. It was almost twenty years before the fashion industry began seriously promoting the novel closure on garments.[6]
In the 1930s, a sales campaign began for children's clothing featuring zippers. The campaign praised zippers for promoting self-reliance in young children by making it possible for them to dress in self-help clothing. The zipper beat the button in 1937 in the "Battle of the Fly", after French fashion designers raved over zippers in men's trousers. Esquire declared the zipper the "Newest Tailoring Idea for Men" and among the zippered fly's many virtues was that it would exclude "The Possibility of Unintentional and Embarrassing Disarray."[citation needed]
The most recent innovation[citation needed] in the zipper's design was the introduction of models that could open on both ends, as on jackets. Today the zipper is by far the most widespread fastener, and is found on clothing, luggage, leather goods, and various other objects.”
http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa082497.htm
\/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zippers
Accessed
9/29/13; emphasis added
“Questions
about clothing led me into an exploration of BUTTONS, which I found absolutely
fascinating, because there was a philosophy behind it. Women in the 1940′s
did not wear zippers on their clothing; dresses, blouses, skirts were most
often closed with buttons. Even
men’s pants did not have zippers until the late 1930s. Zippers were considered immodest and too
suggestive for the ladies. This was something they really thought about and
considered important.”
http://julianathenovel.com/why-a-blog-about-juliana/
Accessed
9/29/13; emphasis added
Very
Conservative Mennonites Can See The Difference
Liberal: “I don't see men's pants with
zippers as being immodest at all or suggestive in the least.”
Conservative: “That's because you grew up with
zippered pants, just like Pentecostals grew up with blouses.
I
know of women who have struggled with zippered pants.
Liberal: “Woman's dresses have changed as
well. They used to wear aprons and don't anymore.”
Conservative: “Many plain ladies still wear
aprons. My mom and sisters do. There are men and women in those settings who
grew up with that who see non-aproned dresses as immodest.”
http://mennodiscuss.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12868&start=105
Accessed
9/29/13
Generic,
Additional Links
http://www.ansun.com/history.html – Historical
http://www.zippersource.com/parts/definitions.asp – Technical
http://www.thomasnet.com/articles/hardware/zipper-history – Generic
Talk About “Relative Modesty”???
“To
point number two. I have no idea why the broadfalls disappeared. I don't see
men's pants with zippers as being immodest at all or suggestive in the least.
Woman's
dresses have changed as well. They used to wear aprons and don't anymore. There
are definitely degrees of covering. You can be completely burka-ed and be less
visible to the on-looker. A man could wear layer upon layer of robe like they
do in some locales and be less visible. But if clothing is not exposing a
person in a way that tempts the opposite gender to stumble, I think we are
adequately clothed.”
http://mennodiscuss.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12868&start=105
Accessed
9/29/13
“I might leave room for some non-logic (providing it is not anti-biblical) if it was the result of searching and prayer.”
Conservative Response: “So if an MC USA person is not tempted by an outfit that the people in your church would consider immodest, would they still be adequately clothed? Or have they been conditioned to something they shouldn't be, just like we've been conditioned to something we shouldn't be.”
http://mennodiscuss.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=12868&start=105
Accessed
9/29/13
Thighs & Breaches
12/26/03; 11/25/04; 2/23/17
(recompiled)
This part of the Bible study is where it all started!
-- Under Construction --
Exo 28:42 WEB You shall make them linen breeches to cover the flesh of their nakedness;
from the loins even to the thighs3409 they shall reach:
Son 7:1 WEB How beautiful are your feet in sandals, prince's
daughter! Your rounded thighs3409 are
like jewels, The work of the hands of a skillful
workman.
To what part of the “thigh” is modesty? –Good question
-- Under Construction --
–All I’m doing here is applying the usage of the word which is even sighted straight out of it’s definition. Strong’s also defines the primary meanings of this word to include “side” and “thigh” just as the
Cloths that Cover!
3/10/19
it
is not our goal that we should remain vulnerable in any way such that if we
bend or move in a certain direction then modesty is endangered
it
is our goal to find the best safety net and the best safety precautions so that
with biblical usage we might protect all modesty at every angle
From Waist Area to Color-Bone
In general it is important to notice that God covered this area for both men and women. For no justified reason, we are tempted to go beyond the limits that God set for the human body.
Dress Code in Light of Swimming
For example, we somehow think that swimming should be an exception to the rules of modesty that God laid down. Guys do this by thinking that it is OK to take off their shirts, and girls do this by wearing swimsuits that show off their back as well as the entirety of their thighs, or even worse, some church women even dare to wear bikinis or others that show off most of the chest.
Why do people often get excited about a “socially expectable” opportunity to undress themselves, and why are they energized to immodestly and shamelessly celebrate the prostitution of their own body in broad daylight?
Let us redeem this area of our lives, and shake ourselves free unto life from our delusion into actual godly modesty. May God also have mercy on those who don’t know any better and use us to gently inform them “how [they] ought to walk and please God” (1Th_4:1).
Shirts Are Required -- Short Pants Are Not Enough
after Adam and Eve made trousers for themselves, they still hid themselves from God and knew that they were both still NAKED!
swim trunks are not enough to stop you from being naked!
Chest
For the area that a shirt covers, men are described more generically than women in this area; there is modesty with men as well, but not in the same respect as women. We see a number of non-sexual aspects to a man’s chest:
Non-Co-ed Love is the only The Appropriate Embrace of the Chest
Joh_13:23 KJV Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved25. (also_13:25; 21:20)
This is appropriate for non-coed situations, since it is obvious that impurity is not related to the faithful and non-despising love of brothers.
Song of Solomon and the Chest
The whole Book of the Song of Solomon is about his wife and their sexual relationship. Some quotes are from the wife about her husband:
The LXX (not the MT) show the woman enraptured with the man’s chest:
Son_1:2 CAB Let him
kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for your breasts are better than wine.
While this chest-passion is mutual all throughout the LXX, of course, the woman is still mentioned more frequently:
Son_1:13 WEB My beloved [my husband] is to me a sachet of myrrh, That lies between my breasts.
[“a sachet of myrrh” was something that is worn all night by women in this culture. So this is an “all-knight” description].
We
see from this verse, by the use of the word “between,” that cleavage is also a
sexual thing reserved for marriage, which should not be shown to the
public. (I wish I did not have to go
into detail, but because of the weakness of our perceptions many are still
unaware of this and it needs to be made known).
Son_4:5-7 WEB Your two breasts are like two fawns That are twins of a roe, Which feed among the lilies. 6 Until the day is cool, and the shadows flee away, I will go to the mountain of myrrh, To the hill of frankincense. 7 You are all beautiful, my love. There is no spot in you.
Son_7:3-10 WEB Your two breasts are like two fawns, That are twins of a roe. 5 …The king [Solomon] is held captive… 6 How beautiful and how pleasant are you, Love, for delights! 7 This, your stature, is like a palm tree, Your breasts like its fruit. 8 I said, "I will climb up into the palm tree. I will take hold of its fruit." Let your breasts be like clusters of the vine, The smell of your breath like apples, Beloved 9 Your mouth like the best wine, That goes down smoothly for my beloved, Gliding through the lips of those who are asleep. 10 [and the wife answers] I am my beloved's. His desire is toward me.
Son_8:10 WEB I am a wall, and my breasts like towers, Then I was in his eyes like one who found peace.
Also see:
Son_8:8/Ezk_16:7-8 – Sexually developed breasts are considered necessary for marriage
Ezk_23:3; Hos_2:2 – Prostitutes use this part of their body inappropriately
Ezk_23:21 – Being “lewd” with this part of your body is compared to being a prostitute
Ezk_23:34 – If you are lewd with this party your body, it will be “torn” at, or, “torn off” (compare Hos_9:14)
You see that Song of Solomon capitalizes at times on the
wife’s breasts. If then they are to be
reserved for such a sexual relationship they should not be advertised the world
or the church.
At the same time, although it is the woman who has the most to be concerned with in this area, the profound thing is that God did not cloth only the woman with a cloak and the man with pants, but He clothed them BOTH with tunics!
Remember that they thought at first that leaves would do full clothing but God insisted on a higher standard:
An Email About Shirts
From: Josiahs Scott
[mailto:josiahs@trueconnection.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:32 PM
To: [persecuted writer S]
Subject: RE: Question about a shirt
I think I’m going to answer much more broadly your question than
the one situation you specifically asked about. So, although I am answering
concerning a specific question you asked, please don’t think that all of these
things applies to this one case with the same degree as I address the over all
principals.
I would say yes: The white shirt would especially not be
something I would want you to go out in public with, knowing the outcome, but I
suppose that there are some very basic and important principles of avoiding
stumbling that need to be considered here in these types of cases, that it
seems females don’t usually have an awareness of in our culture.
I would so much sooner that we all adopted the Mennonite ‘cape’
dress, than there was an unawareness of the visual qualities of what we don’t
notice that we are wearing.
If it is possible for a guy to notice what a female looks like,
he will notice. And as much as guys notice, it is practically impossible that
they will not be forced to lust, but we know, ‘not with God. Because
all things are possible for Him.’ But apart from such a miracle, lust
will happen. And frankly, guys are not well known for walking around
experiencing such miracles, even if they cry out to God continually for them.
And we know that the virtue of modesty is not needed simply for
your own intrinsic value, but as much as another looks at you, you are
cheapened from the outside in, but ultimately, the inside out.
The ‘cape’ dress works and answers this need even if,
theoretically, the need was not perceived, but our dress does not yet always
meet the need, but yet it has gotten closer to this as time has passed. Let us
fully perceive the need, and so be completely protected and sufficiently
covered.
There is a very definite reason that the Bible specifically says
much about this area, and how it should be exclusive to meeting the needs of
husbands. Even though they don’t remember, guys are deeply engrained and
programmed to this in a pure way with their mother about woman-kind. So in the
correlating case of a wife, as much as it meets such potent needs in marriage,
if this is noticed visually outside of marriage, it will also cause potent
destruction according to this same power. You do not want a guy to correlate
with you according to what has been engrained in him, according to the burning
principal that was meant to attach him to a wife.
You are to be a sister to any guy out there who will believe.
Don’t stab him with anything other than such a pure invitation, lest he fall to
the wound of satan before getting to fall in Love with
God.
Any shirt that is ever worn, especially by a female, ought to be
devoid of any possibility of even coming close to even slightly hinting at
anything. Anything that in anyway gives any chance to be looked at is a
definite aid to the forceful adultery of satan’s
seduction.
No shirt or any other article of clothing should ever give any
chance at all for a male to look at a woman, especially in the area of the
shirt, including low cutting shirts that are over other shirts,
or anything that causes a noticeable pattern or other element to look at.
Why?
Because guys WILL look at it! And they will commit adultery,
whether they want to or not. I may say so clearly: No that is not a cute
pattern or design in your shirt, it is the weapon of
satan.
So why is it that we keep having so many visual elements in
shirts?
I wish I could project with a mega phone and say in most
churches, “STOP USING CUTE SHIRTS!” But sometimes, with different situations,
it seems so often people don’t take it to heart how potent this is.
A shirt that does not fully and completely hide and mute a woman
is a heavy weight and a painful wound to nearly any guy who wants to avoid
adultery.
I suppose this covers more than just the white shirt question,
but even if it is better than other shirts, yet, more perception of the huge
dangers and of how much protection and hiding is necessary, is a great success
and needful salvation to many.
I hope this helps you (and any others) with hitting hard this
area to produce a lot of purity.
I can be on call if clarification is needed on some things,
especially if more than one of you is needing to ask
specific questions. IM is also possible if needed.
Thanks
for asking, and looking specifically to find the needs
of purity.
Josiahs Scott
(352)
222-5471
www.DivorceAndRemarriageBook.com
From: [persecuted writer
S]
Sent: Tuesday, November
10, 2009 7:38 PM
To: Josiahs Scott
Subject: Question about a shirt
The night you spoke with [persecuted writer D], [persecuted writer A], and I here at my apartment, [persecuted writer D] and I were wearing a plain white pretty loose shirt. Is there something wrong with wearing that?
Shoulders
God made them cloaks
Two important words
H3801 כּתּנת כּתנת kethôneth kûttôneth
keth-o'-neth, koot-to'-neth
From an unused root meaning to cover
(compare H3802); a shirt: - coat, garment, robe.
The Complete Word Study Dictionary says that this word is “A feminine noun
indicating a coat, a garment, a tunic. It indicates a long undergarment with a collar cut out
for one's head
For this first word is the broader form of the word for shoulder:
H3802 כּתף kâthêph kaw-thafe'
From an unused root meaning to clothe; the
shoulder (proper, that is, upper end of the arm; as being the spot where the garments hang);
figuratively side piece or lateral
projection or anything: - arm, corner, shoulder (-piece), side,
undersetter.
This relationship between the word for “garment” or “cloak”
with shoulder is repeated in Greek with the words
“χειριδωτος” (cheiridotos) a
tunic, and “χειριδας” (cheiridas) which
are sleeves (that cover the hands).
So we see that the word for “cloak” that was used to cover Adam and Eve is directly related to the word shoulder indicating the scope of the area covered by the garment. This idea of covering the shoulder is reaffirmed in the clothing that God specified for the priests. Speaking of the “ephod,” God uses the second word and says:
Exo_28:7 WEB It shall have two shoulder-pieces3802 joined to the two ends of it, that it may be joined together. (compare Exo_39:4)
Exo_28:12 WEB You shall put the two stones on the shoulder-pieces3802 of the ephod, to be stones of memorial for the children of Israel: and Aaron shall bear their names before Yahweh on his two shoulders3802 for a memorial. (compare Exo_39:7; Num_7:9)
Exo_28:25 WEB The other two ends of the two braided chains you shall put on the two settings, and put them on the shoulder-pieces3802 of the ephod in the forepart of it. (compare Exo_39:18)
It is also said of this word,
2Sa_13:18 -
A garment of divers colors - See Gen_37:3. Some prefer here (and there) “a tunic with sleeves,” a tunic reaching to the extremities, i. e. the hands and feet, and worn over the common tunic, in room of a robe.
And on Job_1:20 he says
The dress of Orientals consists principally of an under garment or tunic - not materially differing from the “shirt” with us - except that the sleeves are wider…
Coat - The Jews wore two principal garments, an interior and an exterior. The interior, here called the “coat,” or the tunic, was made commonly of linen, and encircled the whole body, extending down to the knees. Sometimes beneath this garment, as in the case of the priests, there was another garment corresponding to pantaloons. The coat, or tunic, was extended to the neck. and had long or short sleeves. Over this was commonly worn an upper garment, here called “cloak,” or mantle. It was made commonly nearly square, of different sizes, 5 or 6 cubits long and as many broad, and was wrapped around the body, and was thrown off when labor was performed.
(Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible)
For the priestly cloak:
…according to Josephus, “a tunic circumscribing or closely encompassing the body, and having tight sleeves for the arms.” (Clark)
This word is transliterated into Greek (χιτών, “chitōn”) and is used in the Greek Old Testament in this very passage in Genesis, as well as throughout the New Testament where it is used in a similar sense including the following:
Joh_19:23 KJB Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat 5509: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.
So we see with this that the cloaks covered from the top downward including the shoulders, particularly since the word for cloak comes from the word “shoulder.” It is also implied in the word that it is “a long undergarment” which probably covered even the thighs (as we’ll see below), but we at least can say that it was not showing off the stomach.
He did this because He did not want to see their nakedness:
Also consider bathrooms
The Bible uses this when God is tell Moses exactly how He wants His (Holy) priests to dress:
Heb_8:4-5 KJVCNT …there are priests [with their priestly clothing] that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, says he, that you make all things [including the priestly clothing] according to the pattern showed to you in the mount.
Arms
Though we can see that the shoulders were specifically covered by this clothing that God prescribed and re-prescribed for men and women, at the same time we cannot say that this included the entire arm:
Isa_52:10 KJV The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
This is twice confirmed in this scripture:
- Because His arm is “Holy” it cannot be said that it is being used shamefully
- Even more obvious is the fact that it is unreasonable to say that God would be lewd “in the eyes of all the nations”
Joh_12:38/ Isa_52… – to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
Persecuted Writer S’
Email
**Sleeves going down to the elbow-
At the moment, this is the minimum standard when we
girls go out in public.
I have been wrestling with the lower part of the arm. And like I told you
before, unlike the issue of the legs, the sleeves seem to somewhat vary
throughout history. Below are two verses I've been thinking about:
Isa_52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in
the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the
salvation of our God.
Eze_4:7 Therefore thou
shalt set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be
uncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it.
These verses immediately tell me 2 things. 1) The arm was usually covered and
2) It is not sinful to do so because God did it.
eSword says that this word for "arm"
seems to imply strength, shoulder. Please correct me if I'm
not understanding what Strong's is saying. I thought the shoulder area
wasn't right to uncover. Is upper arm and lower arm distinguished in the Greek
or is it just all "arm"?
I was looking at what some commentators said about the uncovering of the arm in
the above passages and more than one of them said that this was an allusion to
warriors who bare their arm for battle.
"The metaphor is derived from the manner in which the Orientals dressed.
The following extract from Jowett’s Christian Researches will explain the
language: ‘The loose sleeve of the Arab shirt, as well as that of the outer
garment, leaves the arm so completely free, that in an instant the left hand
passing up the right arm makes it bare; and this is done when a person, a
soldier, for example, about to strike with the sword, intends to give the arm
full play..." Barnes
and thine arm shall be uncovered- "which was usual in fighting in
those times and countries; for, wearing long garments, they were obliged to
turn them up on the arm, or lay them aside, that they might more expeditiously
handle their weapons, and engage with the enemy: in this form the soldiers in
Trajan's column are figured fighting; and it is related that the Africans used
to fight with their arms uncovered (h); thus Scanderbeg in later times used to
fight the Turks." Gill
Uncovered- "uncovered--to be ready for action, which the long
Oriental garment usually covered it would prevent "
JFB
These comments also make me think- when men fight, they are fighting amongst
men so it wouldn't be inappropriate to show their arm in the ways spoken above.
But then again, Ezekiel is not out fighting a physical war; he was amongst them
of the captivity at Telabib, (Eze_3:15). And
also, the Lord bares his arm in the sight of everyone!
Arms – Gill on Deu_24:1
Deu_24:1 “and they suppose a man might divorce his wife for any ill qualities of mind in her, or for any ill or impudent behaviour of hers; as if her husband saw her go abroad with her head uncovered, and spinning in the streets, and so showing her naked arms to men; or having her garments slit on both sides; or washing in a bath with men, or where men use to wash, and talking with every man, and joking with young men; or her voice is sonorous and noisy; or any disease of body, as the leprosy, and the like; or any blemishes, as warts, are upon her; or any disagreeable smell that might arise from any parts of the body, from sweat, or a stinking breath (n)”
(n) T. Bab. Gittin, fol. 90. 1. 2. Misn. Cetubot, c. 7. sect. 6, 7. & Maimon. & Bartenora in ib.
arm
the prophet came to the king with a wound on his arm...
how much of his arm was showing when he came to the king?
what purpose would the wound serve in the first place if it
were not seen in a public situation?
why would the Word of God have a graphic picture of a wound
made if it were not seen as an illustration of some sort?
the prophet could have very well just said he was wounded
rather than potentially wasting the actual damage of his body, if indeed it
were not to be seen...
...
Wrists
2Sa_13:18 – says that Tamar wore "*a tunic to the wrists [CAB: “a multi-colored robe” – Greek textual variation?], for so the daughters of the king who were virgins were clothed in their outer garments..." (NETS)
Hands Can Be A Safe Zone
Jesus - little girl (Jarious' Daughter)
Tabitha – hand
Compare: Feet Can Be A Safe Zone
Abraham and Lot Saw “Men” Who Grabbed the Hands of Him, His (Married) Wife, and His Virgin Daughters
Gen_18:2 He
lifted up his eyes and looked, and saw that three men stood opposite him. When he saw them, he ran to
meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself to the earth,
Gen_18:2 And he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men stood before him; and
having seen them, he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and bowed
himself to the ground.
Gen_18:2 ἀναβλέψας δὲ τοῖς ὀφθαλμοῖς
αὐτοῦ εἶδεν, καὶ
ἰδοὺ τρεῖς ἄνδρες
εἱστήκεισαν ἐπάνω
αὐτοῦ· καὶ ἰδὼν
προσέδραμεν εἰς
συνάντησιν αὐτοῖς
ἀπὸ τῆς θύρας τῆς
σκηνῆς αὐτοῦ
καὶ προσεκύνησεν
ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν
Gen_19:16 But
he lingered; and the men grabbed
his hand, his wife's hand,
and his two daughters' hands,
Yahweh being merciful to him; and they took him out, and set him outside of the
city.
Gen_19:16 And they were troubled, and the angels laid hold on his hand, and the hand of his wife, and the hands of his two daughters, in that the Lord spared him.
Gen_19:16 καὶ ἐταράχθησαν·
καὶ ἐκράτησαν
οἱ ἄγγελοι τῆς
χειρὸς αὐτοῦ
καὶ τῆς χειρὸς
τῆς γυναικὸς αὐτοῦ
καὶ τῶν χειρῶν
τῶν δύο θυγατέρων
αὐτοῦ ἐν τῷ φείσασθαι
κύριον αὐτοῦ.
Sacrificial Clothing
Exo_20:26 WEB Neither
shall you go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness may not be exposed to
it.'
Exo_20:26 CAB You shall not go up to My altar by steps, that you may not uncover your nakedness upon it.
Exo_20:26 οὐκ
ἀναβήσῃ ἐν ἀναβαθμίσιν
ἐπὶ τὸ θυσιαστήριόν
μου, ὅπως ἂν μὴ ἀποκαλύψῃς
τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
σου ἐπ᾿ αὐτοῦ.
Lev_6:10-11 WEB The priest shall put on his linen garment, and he shall put on his linen breeches upon his body; and he shall remove the ashes from where the fire has consumed the burnt offering on the altar, and he shall put them beside the altar. 11 He shall take off his garments, and put on other garments, and carry the ashes outside the camp to a clean place.
Holy Clothing
Eze_42:14 WEB When the priests enter in, then shall they not go out of the holy place into the outer court, but there they shall lay their garments in which they minister; for they are holy: and they shall put on other garments, and shall approach to that which pertains to the people.
And how did this originate?
Exo_28:2 WEB You shall make holy garments for Aaron your brother, for glory and for beauty.
Exo_28:40 CAB And for the sons of Aaron you shall make tunics* and sashes, and you shall make headpieces for them for honor and glory.
Tunics –
Greek: χιτῶνας (LXX) G5509 - same as God made for Adam and Eve in Gen_3:21
The equivalent applies to the Hebrew (ֻכֹּתֶּנת - H3801)
Exo_28:42-43 CAB And you shall make for them linen trousers to cover the nakedness of their flesh; they shall reach from the loins to the thighs. 43 And Aaron shall have them, and his sons, whenever they enter into the tabernacle of witness, or when they shall advance to the altar of the sanctuary to minister, so they shall not bring sin upon themselves, lest they die: it is a perpetual statute for him, and for his seed after him.
Exo_28:7 WEB It shall have two shoulder-pieces3802 joined to the two ends of it, that it may be joined together. (compare Exo_39:4)
Exo_28:12 WEB You shall put the two stones on the shoulder-pieces3802 of the ephod, to be stones of memorial for the children of Israel: and Aaron shall bear their names before Yahweh on his two shoulders3802 for a memorial. (compare Exo_39:7; Num_7:9)
Exo_28:25 WEB The other two ends of the two braided chains you shall put on the two settings, and put them on the shoulder-pieces3802 of the ephod in the forepart of it. (compare Exo_39:18)
Exo_32:25-26 KJ2000 And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had let them be naked unto their shame among their enemies:) 26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me…
Everything was left as a pattern, even for the clothing
Consider David dancing with Ephod
Navel, Belly Button & Loins
It goes without saying that the waist and loins need to be FULLY covered. But nevertheless, way too many church people think that it’s ok to call themselves Christians while wearing swimsuits such as bikinis and the like that defy these Bible verses by uncovering this area of the body.
Son_7:2 KJ2000 Your navel8326 is like a round goblet, which lacks not blended drink: your belly is like a heap of wheat set about with lilies.
Lam
>>>>
This man Solomon is writing about the context of sex and is enamored with this woman’s body to the glory of God. How can we possibly think that we can uncover these parts of the body and honor God in it outside of this context?
Waist
The Bible specifically shows us repeatedly that we should cover this (literally and figuratively):
Son_7:2 (quoted above); Isa_11:5 (quoted below); Mat_3:4; Joh_13:4 (around men only); Eph_6:14;
Loins (specifically, literally and figuratively)
>> Eze_44:18 LXX says not to wear pants that have been ‘violently’ girded. This may mean not to wear tight pants…
OT
Gen_37:34; Exo_12:11; 28:42; Deu; 2Sa_20:8; 1Ki_2:5; 20:31, 32; 2Ki_1:8; Neh_4:18; Pro_31:17; Isa_11:5; 20:2 (the exception proves the rule); Jer_13:1, 2, 4, 11; 48:37; Eze_23:15; 44:18; Dan_10:5; Amos_8:10
NT
Mat_3:4; Mar_1:6; Luk_12:35; Eph_6:14; 1Pe_1:13;
Isa_11:5 WEB Righteousness shall be
the belt of his waist, and faithfulness the belt of his loins.
Note: As seen above, belts in
the Bible often included that which came down and covered the loins as well.
The Management of the Loins toward the Worship of God
There is a restriction put on this for the priests: Exo_28:42 ; Eze_44:18; (etc., etc.), (and see examples below). There is a “die to loins” theme that I would say we must somehow partake of: Lev_7:3. But encouragement in that vicinity is good: Nah_2:1; 1Pe_1:13 (not to mention the blessing of having children “come out of your loins”).
Generally, paganism involved
sexuality in the worship of their various gods, and monotheism basically said
“no”.
The sex organs themselves
(and or at least the more general region of the loins) are constantly
tied with themes of healthiness vs. morning, sacrifices offered to God, and
even more frequently with circumcision (i.e. a dying to the flesh and
separation unto holiness). It seems that only in marriage the sex organs are
fully integrated into the blessing of God (as explicitly ravished all
throughout the Song of Songs), and apart from this, they are almost always an
object and target of crucifixion for us (with the exceptions of a few general
blessings of overall bodily health).
God expects uncovered Buttocks to be shameful to us
Isa_20:3-4 KJV And the LORD said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia; 4 So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.
(also see 2Sa_10:1-5/1Ch_19:1-5)
Note: This is the heritage of shame and judgment upon those who do not obey God. We should strive in every way not to be like them nor inherit their judgment of shame.
Long Dress –
Other date(s)?; 11/11/18
Stola and Beyond
11/11/18
Some info on the "stola" for women in ancient Greece:
https://www.quora.com/What-did-unmarried-women-wear-during-the-Roman-Republic
Al: The first pic in the following link seems to show a classic looking stola (that might have had an accompanying belt to hold part of it together). Then there was the himation-like garment that was thrown over the stola (this didn't seem to necessarily need to go to the ankles).
Btw, you don't need to read the article cuz the writer isn't the most clear / thoroughly educated. I came up with the above conclusion by overlapping the consensus of multiple articles.
Logan Library:
Reacting to the Past: Athens: The Culture of Athens in 403 B.C.
http://library.schreiner.edu/c.php?g=300183&p=2288255
Al: seems a little more educted, although they are still not the most clear in their relatings.
Should Women Be Allowed To Wear Pants
not just that, but can men even wear
pants?
or even: can women or men wear just
pants?
Deu_22:5
we do have numerous passages were men wear "breaches" -- so
men can wear pants, although it still needs to be established if that is ALL
they need to wear in public, since these were under garments for the priests...
-- this is why I used to wear shorts, but,
after more research, I stopped...
Me were herolds / proclaimers and messengers -- which means that they
were socially employed in running from one city to another -- and you have to
either have some kind of "pants" and/or you need to be always
"girded" in your loins for that type of work.
so how lawful and even biblical is it
for men to dress in "Sportswear" -- looks like it is actually
Biblical, but WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE???
Nickies are now Biblical? (maybe not...)
women are clearly commanded to dress in a
long dress!
So can women wear pants when they are commanded to dress in a long dress
that reaches their feet??
"Nickers" / peddle pushers -- came down to their knees
Judith had under garment of sacloth
women wanted pants so they could rid
horses... -- is that right?
then we got to ask if women can drive
cars... (many Muslims say no!)
men have "scirts"
can men wear a dress?
They cannot wear a WOMAN's DRESS
Song of Songs – Categorical Breakdown of Song of Songs
Content Pending…
Unlawful Romance Shows Us Why We Should Be Trained to Increase in Modesty
Unlawful Romance is as intoxicating as Lawful romance
Pro_30:18-19 WEB "There are… things which are too amazing for me… which I don't understand: 19 …the way of a man with a maiden [H5959 a virgin: someone a man can marry]… 20 So is the way of an adulterous woman [someone a man can’t lawfully marry]: She eats and wipes her mouth, And says, 'I have done nothing wrong.'
So we see…
The effect of regular love between men and women which is “too amazing” to be “understood” is the same as adulterous love, where she indulges in what does not belong to her and says “I have done nothing wrong.” If we say “I can handle it” we are fooling ourselves and lying against this Scripture which says it’s “…too amazing for me…I don't understand”
So how are we different than this example when we romantically involve ourselves with those who do not belong to us and say, “I have done nothing wrong.”?
If then, the Bible says regular love works the same way as unlawful romance, then we need to look at other verses too:
The Adulteress in Proverbs
Pro_6:25 Captivated by beauty (compare Son_7:5)
Pro_6:27-28 It’s like potent “fire” that burns you (Compare Son_8:6)
Pro_7: 13, 21 A man is “caught” and “Forced” (captivated) into it [loss of self-control because of intoxication]
2Sa_13:1-2 Absalom “Love sick” for sister Tamar (hopefully, we see this is BAD)
Yet we still say, “But we love each other” as though this certifies it and makes it a noble and right thing. But we ignore that unlawful romance is just as overcoming as lawful romance in marriage:
1Ki_11:2 KJV Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
Chapter 3 – The Head Covering
Main
Passages
Other dates;
10/12/18; 12/12/21
Num_5:___; Son_1:7; Son_5:7; 1Co_11:
Mat11:25 - hidden... revealed
A woman who desires unrelated men to notice the beauty of her face practices prostitution (Pro_6:24-26, etc., esp. v. Pro_6:25 & Pro_6:26).
When you practice “lite” prostitution, don’t be surprised when God completely overthrows all of your value in under shame (as seen as a punishment in the OT prophets).
Moral Prerequisites for Reading 1st Corinthians 11
3/22/24-3/23/24
·
Most people don’t have the right mindset when
approaching 1st Corinthians 11 (the headcovering passage) and
therefore don’t stand a chance at obeying it.
·
Remember that we’re not allowed to “interpret” the
Bible, we are required to OBEY it!
·
The Bible says that many of its statements are
“closed” and need “keys” of knowledge and spiritual revelation to “open”, so
pretending that it is easy, clear, and intuitive is Bible disobedience which
leads to hell.
·
(Pseudo conservatives are notorious for lying
and misrepresenting themselves as having more simple knowledge than they
actually do.)
·
Whatever we do to unlock the Bible’s mysteries
has to be based on the perfect moral virtues taught through the monotheism of
the Bible.
·
1st Corinthians 11 is not clear or
intuitive to us (in modern harlotry cultures).
·
Just like the exception clause in the Divorce
and Remarriage teaching, we are not allowed to pretend like the headcovering is
intuitive, simple, easy, direct, and clear for us.
·
Some parts are absolutely clear (that hair is not the covering, for example)
but the overall ideas and principles are somewhat cryptic, illusive, and very
anti-modern culture!
·
Just like many cryptic parts of the Bible, we
have to practice forensics: we have to be rigidly logical submissively obedient
and reverse-engineer what question is actually being answered to discover what
is actually being said within the answer.
·
As with many parts of the Bible, you find out
what is actually being discussed in reverse-chronological order…
·
Paul is answering questions from the
Corinthians, and you have to keep carefully reading the answer Paul gives in
order to reconstruct what the original questions were. – that’s
why it is in reverse-chronological order for us in our modern day, but it was
perfectly appropriate for the original audience.
·
Pretending that we already know the original
questions as if the letter was written to us (what, did the word of God come only to you?), so that we require it
to be intuitive for our modern context, is Bible-disobedience and leads to
hell.
·
If we find out what a difficult passage is
saying, it should revolutionize our lives, leave us in our modern lazy sinning
cultures and confirm and comfort where we already are…
·
As is always the case, the Bible is judged based
on what it actually says not what you understand/misunderstand it to
mean.
·
Your reading comprehension and lack thereof has
nothing to do with logically and objectively determining what the actual Words
of the Bible are saying.
·
That’s why we got to be extremely, militantly
logical.
·
As is always the case, every single Word in the
Bible is morally charged. You are not allowed to turn it into “a story without
a moral” just because you are immoral.
·
As is always the case, the more you submit to
the agreement and continuity of the Bible, the more you
will be morally, logically and submissively obeying it.
·
You are not allowed to read the Bible fragmented
and disagreeing with other Bible verses.
·
One of the biggest mistakes people make about 1st
Corinthians 11 is assuming that this is the first time the Bible has taught
about headcoverings.
1Co_11 Summary
1Co_11 Summary | 1Co_11
Translation (RTA)
3/22/24-3/23/24; 3/25/24
v. 1
1Co_11:1 – Mimic / Imitate Paul as Anointed One
· Paul is a man/male; women need to imitate him
· Stop saying men can’t teach women about headcovering
· Remember women are doing headcoverings because of men (as seen below)
v. 2
1Co_11:2 – Keep Traditions
· Handing over next to-s/Traditions/deliverances/Transmittions
· 2Thes 2 keeping traditions saves us from end times anti-Christ apostasy
· This is particularly anti-solo-Scriptura / Scripture alone
· As soon as he says “traditions” he has imported / included everything the apostles gave including writing as well as examples
· Bible obedience demands at least attempting to re-discover the non-initially-written traditions of the apostles
· Bible obedience demands that we answer how the early church sough to OBEY these vary passages
· Ignoring their example = Bible disobedience = Hell
· No Assuming Protestantism / anti-Bible obedience allowed
· Tertullian tells us about the Canonical example of the Corinthian obedience, and we are not allowed to ignore or simply dismiss this testimony since this very chapter is telling us that this practice is to be transmitted in this very way!
· You are NOT being more conservative or zealous for the Bible when you DISOBEY the Bible in the name of Scripture alone!
v. 3
1Co_1:3 – Headship: (1) God, (2) Anointed One, (3) Man, (4) Woman
· Head of EVERY man (you are not allowed to exchange “man” for “husband”, which is NOT every man)
· “Husband” is a dishonest mis-representation added/exchanged in some Bible perversions
· Headcovering does not just apply if a woman is married, because it is based on EVERY man, not just a husband
· Inconsistently mis-representing man as husband has caused many foolish false ideas in English versions (also including passages like 1Ti_5:, etc.), and we have to put a stop to this reckless non-sense and foolish mess…
· If the bible says “every” man and you try to change it to “husband” then you are in danger of hell for disobeying what He is directly clearly saying
· This is the principle of “precedent” – when he establishes the idea of a word, it keeps that idea and your not allowed to change it to something contradicary
· Evey man is the precedent and authoritative governing context you have to obey to inherit heaven, and when the exact same word appears again you are to obediently consider it as a submissive part of “every man”
· Paul wants you to know headship, choosing ignorance is Bible disobedience
· “Every man” is preceding the man-headship, and it is following it in the very next verse!
· If anyone even thinks to suggest headship is limited to husbands over their wives, then REPENT!
v. 4
1Co_11:4 – Man covering down head = shaming down (if added for prayer/prophesying)
· “Shame” = moral consequences – you’re not allowed to think of this a cultural, etc.
· Lit original order: down-covering head = down-shaming
· Various pagan cultures added a covering down on their head when praying / sacrificing
· This is not a “covering” when protecting the head and face from elements such as the desert sand, but when standing up to pray or prophesy (or sacrifice) before the people.
· Did the man in this verse start off with his head covered, or uncovered? – This is the vital question
· Are we talking about removing a headcovering for praying or prophesying (like American Cowboys) or are we talking about abstaining from adding a headcovering, which would avoid being like ancient cultures during Bible times?
· We are not allowed to transculturate – you can’t read our culture into the Bible, we need to read the Bible’s context into our obedience today.
· We're about to find out if he is removing or abstaining from a headcovering.
v. 5
1Co_11:5 – No hiding-down = Shaming-down (woman’s head)
· Woman without covering down head, does shames down head – if removed during praying or prophesying among men.
· Is she adding a covering or abstaining from removing it?
· We are not allowed to read our culture into the Bible, we need to read the Bible’s context into our obedience today.
· Shaving = punishment for abusing an otherwise valuable body part/adornment.
· Headship means what she does with her physical head directly correlates and acts upon her authoritative head.
v. 6
1Co_11:6 – Shave/shear uncovered Head
· How frequently is it shameful to have a woman’s hair cut off? Just when she is praying?
· “Let her be covered” is a command!
· The command is not given in the immediate occurrence of praying and prophesying, but in the continuing state of needing to keep long hair. <<<<<<<<<<<
· Be publicly shaven as one who abused hair, or be covered.
· V.6 makes it absolutely clear that the hair is not the covering – no illogical denial allowed!
· In the Bible, you cut off what you sin with: Hand, foot, eye, (Mat_5:27-32; Mat_18:___ ; Luk_16:__) -- and many other examples throughout the Old Testament…
· If you cut your hair and think you don’t need to cover, then you are doing so acknowledging that you are a punished & unrepentant prostitute who does not go to heaven in 1Co_6: & 1Co_10:
· Even if you claim to not need to over, then you also need to admit to not going to heaven!
v. 7
1Co_11:7 – Man = Icon + Glory; Woman = Glory
· Man = Icon + Glory of God; Woman = Glory of man
· This creates an indebtedness to show the icon of God (and hide the glory of man).
· Show head; Hide Body!
· Gender creates indebtedness for how men and women should dress, including their body and head!
· How frequently is man an icon before other people, and woman a glory? Just when they are praying and prophesying?
v. 8
1Co_11:8 – Woman through man – because of / on account of
· Man is not of/through woman, but woman of/through man
· Creation principles are the basis of the moral consequences described previously.
· Creation and morality are not limited to praying and prophesying before others
v. 9
1Co_11:9 – Woman created through man
·
v. 10
1Co_11:10 – Woman authority on head through messengers
·
v. 11
1Co_11:11 – Male and female interdependence in Lord
·
v. 12
1Co_11:12 – Man + woman through each other -- from God
·
v. 13
1Co_11:13 – Judge propriety in yourselves – praying uncovered to God
· 2 potential contexts: different than the Bible & Teertullian & church history or in perfect agreement with them?
· Agreement is the most straightforward and default posture commended by the Bible
· If you say it’s different, then the burden of proof lies upon you / you have to prove Tertullian was wrong when he said he wittesed this as being done among the assembly when taking the coomunion discussed before and after headcovering in 1st Corinthians 10 - 11
v. 14
1Co_11:14 – Long hair = Dishonor to Man (Nature teaches)
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v. 15
1Co_11:15 – Woman’s glorious hair up against covering
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v. 16
1Co_11:16 – No Arguing Against the Moral Ethnics of God’s Called-Out Assembles
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1Co_11 Translation (RTA)
1Co_11 Summary | 1Co_11
Translation (RTA)
1st Corinthians 11 RTA (Righteous Translation
Analysis)
1Co_11:1
be beginning to / be generated
mimickers / imitators of me down according / just as I [am] also of anointed
one
[* begotten]
1 Currently/presently be made to become/generated
[or make yourselves become/generated] mimicors/imitators of me
down-according-as I-also-am of anointed-one
1Co_11:2
however I am high praising upon / applauding you pl TSB Brothers in that youpl have done remembered me
[in/to] everything, and youpl
are holding down, down according as I gave next to / tradition-ed to you all,
those givings next to-s / traditions / deliverances
2 however I currently/presently
praise-with-stories-upon you(pl) |TSB brothers| in-that
towards all/everything you(pl) have been made to have
remaing-rememberance of me and-also down-according-as I at some point
gave-next-to/surrendered to you(pl) the
giving-next-tos/transmissions/traditions
[παραδοσειςG3862 - i.e. take hold of what is put next to
you like a batton and run with it; fig. transmissioned]
to currently/presently hold-down/intensely-hold
[remember slightly
correlates with mimic in Greek]
1Co_1:3
however I am desiring for youpl to have done seen /
known by perception that: the head of every man is being* the anointed one,
however a head of woman [*is] the man, however a head of the anointed one, [*is] the God.
3 however I desire you(pl)
to see/know-by-perception/behold
in-that the head of all/every man currently/presently is the anointed-one
however head of woman the man however head of |NA the| anointed-one the God
1Co_11:4
every man directing in wishing
requests in prayer or fore speaking / prophesying having/holding [something
coming] down (of) head, is doing shame / strengthless / shapelessness down (of)
his head
4 all/every man constantly/habitually
requesting-towards/praying or constantly/habitually fore-speaking/prophecying
constantly/habitually having/holding something
coming down from head he currently
brings-unmightiness-down/uncomeliness-down/disfiguredness-down/shame-down [καταισχυνειG2617 – devaluaing by a shapeless thing
devaluing by having an appearance that is uncomely, disfigured and unfit for
the eyes to see] towards the head of his
1Co_11:5
however every woman directing in wishing requests in prayer or
fore-speaking / prophesying, un down hidden / without something coming down to
hide, Is doing shame down / strengthless / shapelessness down that of her TSB
very own. head. because it is
being one and the same/ness two the having done been sharp razor shaven.
5 however all/every woman constantly/habitually
requesting-towards/praying or constantly/habitually fore-speaking/prophesying
without-covering-down-and-hiding on
the head she currently/presently brings-unmightiness-down/uncomeliness-down/disfiguredness-down/shame-down the head of ||NA hers|TSB herself|| because
she currently/presently is one and-also the same with the one having been
shaven-with-a-razor [ξυρασθαιG3587]
1Co_11:6
because if a woman will not be done
something down to hide / be covered and/also let her / she must / is commanded
to sheer herself. However if it's a shame / strengthless / shapelessness to a
woman to the / that of sheering herself or being shaving with a sharp razor let
her be down hidden / have something come down to cover/hide.
6 because if a woman definitely-not
currently/presently be made covered-down-and-hidden and-also she must at this time shear [κειρασθω
G2751 – i.e. to cut hair very short and close to the head with scissors like a
sheep being sheared of its wool; Israeli archeology has found artifacts of
sheep shearing sciccors dating to 1 BCE]
herself however if this without-mightiness/without-comeliness/disfigured/shameful
to a woman to at this time shear herself or to
currently/presently be shaven-with-a-razor
she must currently/presently be made covered-down-and-hidden
1Co_11:7
because, indeed/[a]men, a man is not
owing/ought-ing to [have something] being done down the head, beginning under a
substance / to firmly being an icon and glory of God. however
the woman is being a glory of man.
7 because truly a man currently/presently indebted
definitely-not to be made covered-down-and-hidden towards the head he
constantly/habitually beginning-under an icon and-also
glory of God however |NA the| woman
currently/presently is glory of man
1Co_11:8
because a man is definitely-not being
out of woman, but woman out of man
8 because definetly-not currently/presently is man
out of woman but-rather woman out of man
1Co_11:9
because also [and] man was definitely
not created through / because of - on account of woman, but woman through /
because of an account of the man.
9 because and-also man defintly-not at some point
created through [διαG1223 – fig. because of and account of]
the woman but-rather woman through [διαG1223 – fig. because of and account of]
the man
1Co_11:10
through / because of - on account of
this the woman is owing/ought-ing to be having authority to bring out into
being upon of the head through the messengers/angels.
10 through [διαG1223 – fig. because of and account of]
this the woman currently/presently indebted to currently/presently have/hold
bring-out-into-being/authority upon the head through [διαG1223 – fig. because of and account of] the
messengers/angels
1Co_11:11
moreover/besides,
definitely-not-additionally, [is] |TSB man spaced/separated from woman,
definitely-not additionally [is]| woman spaced/separated from man |A
definitely-not-additionally [is] man spaced/separated from woman| in lord.
11 furthermore/except not-also/neither |TSB
man spaciously from woman not-also/neither| a woman spaciously from man |NA not-also/neither man spaciously from woman| in lord
1Co_11:12
because just as the woman is out of the
man, such a way also the man is through / because of on account of the woman. however thepl/those
all things [are] out of the God.
12 because just-as the woman out of man this-manner
and-also the man through [διαG1223 – fig. because of and account of]
the woman however all out of the God
1Co_11:13
youpl judge
In / among yourselves; Is it being proper/stood upright [for] a woman to be
directing in wishing requests in prayer to the God without down hiding-ness /
without something coming down and hiding-ish-ness?
13 judge at this time in you(pl)
yourselves currently/presently is it constantly/habitually being suitable-for-observing
towards a woman without-covered-down-and-hiddeness
to currently/presently make herself request-towards/pray [or be made to
request-towards/pray] to the God
1Co_11:14
|TSB or| is Not / however/even the nature / physics/puffing-growth |TSB
A order| itself teaching youpl
in-such a way that: if it may be indeed/[a]men a man might be doing long hair/
[needing maintenance] it is being a devalue/dis honor to him.
14 |TSB or| not-however/neither the nature itself teach
currently/presently teach you all in-that if-possibly man should
make-long-hair-that-needs-provision currently/presently is a devalue to him
1Co_11:15
however, if it may be a woman might be
doing long hair/ [needing maintenance] it is being a glory to her, in that the
long hair [needing maintenance] has* been given to her up against* of a
thrown-around thing / clothing.
[* done / finished been given to her properly
correlating up against...]
15 however if-possibly woman should
make-long-hair-that-needs-provision currently/presently is glory to her in-that
the long-hair-that-needs-provision has been given to her
standing-properly-correlating-up-against from a throw-around/covering [i.e. long hair is given to her as a
correlating object to and from a throw-around covering for the head]
1Co_11:16 however, if any certain one is testing/approving to being warm-like-ish-of-conquering / be fond of contention-ish-ness / argumentive-ness, we are Not having / holding to this very sort/such together-ethic/practice / shared custom/behavior, Not-however/even [do] thepl/those called out assemblies of the God.
16 however if any currently/presently
tests-and-approves currently to be affectionately-loving-contention we
definitely-not currently/presently have/hold towards this
together-ethic/practice/custom not-however/neither the called-out/assembly of
the God
Culture Didn’t Create the Head Covering
3/23/24
Every Means Every
1st Corinthians 11 repeats the word every for every man,
and therefore you're not allowed to find excuses to erase the all applicability
of these rules.
The Bible specifically commands you to think of this as
applying to every man so when you try to narrow it down to only applying to
husbands that is a filthy Bible disobedience that earns hell.
this is the same
spirit using different methods when people say that the head covering is
cultural.
The Bible specifically says every over and over again and
you're not allowed to pretend that this applies to only a certain culture when
the Bible specifically says every over and over again!
every man crosses
all cultures and boundaries, and applies to every man in all cultures and all
times and you're not allowed to change the principles upon which first
Corinthians 11 is declaratively based.
cultural awareness
does not imply cultural origin.
culture never
informs the Bible about morality, the Bible informs cultures about morality, if
people will listen.
saying that head
coverings is cultural is a direct lie.
modesty never has
been an inclination of culture because
flesh never comes up with moral genius.
The origin of morality is God not man. You are lying heretic to suggest that something more like modesty
comes from the flesh of man's culture when the Bible specifically teaches us
that God is the one who always has to correct liberalizing rich perverted fools
to put clothes on.
Adam and Eve's post-sin culture taught them to put pants on
because they were not as far from Truth as we are today.
God had to divinely inspire Adam and Eve with words of
truth and even demonstrate to them how to put on proper clothing and it has
always been the same case ever since...
assuming non
inspiration to the head covering and pretending like even "Paul wanted
people to follow the Norm" and conform to their culture is absolute
rebellion and disgusting heresy and profanity against the divine inspiration of
moral modesty and Truth...
modesty is
observably one of those things throughout the Bible that does not change!
changing modesty is
always the work of a prostate rebellious liberal progressive backsliders
slithering in the mud and mire of progressive sin...
changing modesty is
the work of Satan and his ministers of unrighteousness, the apostate false
prophets and false teachers throughout the ages who have always been waging a
war against the holy purity of wonderful morality.
since we all know
that modesty does not change throughout the scriptures we also see that modesty
does not change among the fateful conservative righteous who are preserving the
truth on the earth
since the head
covering is talking about modesty therefore we know that the head covering does
not change, because we know that all modesty does not change in the Bible and
among monotheists...
modesty has been
upheld almost without change in the Middle East among conservative groups that
are even pagan. how sad a state it is that people are
claiming to be Christian and they can't even hold on to the modest do you that
pagan unbelievers know how to uphold!
The Bible is not American or modern culture, it is
conservative ancient authentic original monotheistic morality that it's highest
peak. therefore you should not superimpose your wicked
disgusting apostate modern culture against the Bible or even both in the
presence of pagans who know how to obey the Bible better than you do even
though they don't believe it!
cultures that
change morality our cultures that liberalize. being
liberal and changing morality go hand in hand and are indistinguishable in the
Bible.
..
the reason assigned
by the Bible for obeying the head covering is not for the purpose of conforming
to the practices of their culture but instead for obeying the principles of
creation.
you're not allowed
to interpret some other reason and reassign the basis and purpose of the head
covering teaching by giving it a contradictory background or purpose different
than what the Bible actually assigns as the authentic real reason for
commanding obedience to head coverings.
Jeremiah Stephen
He got it correctly:
“*The word for a literal cloth veil is Kalumma, this is the noun. The verb that means to cover with a Kalumma is Katalial (Kata by the way being the word for "down" as in something that hangs down-as the covering hangs down off the head). Kata also appears in the word Katastole (kata-doum/stole-shawl-or-dress covering) the word he uses in "women should dress in mode at APPAREL (katastole)
In 1 Cor, the verb form-Katakalupto is used throughout- either katakalupto which means covered with a cloth veil (NRSV uses the word "veiled") or a-katakalupto (unveiled).
There is no question as to meaning when you see the same words used in 2 Cor 3, in references to Moses katalupto-ing himself with a Kalumma -a literal cloth veil, to hide his radient face. It wasn't hair, it wasn't submission, it was a cloth veil.
When we compare this NT usage to the Septualint OT usage, we see Kalumma or Katalupto used 18 times, ALWAYS in reference to a literal cloth veil (Tamar covers her head with a veil in mourning, etc)
So all throughout 1 Cor, Paul is saying that a man ought not Kataka.to himself (with a Kalumma) and if he does so he dishonors Christ.
A woman ought to katakalupto herself. A woman who refuses to katakalupto herself with a Kalumma should have her hair shaved!
Some version of Katalupto/Kalumma is used throughout, until the end when Paul uses a different word, saying that the hair is also given to women as a type of covering (Gr: Parabellion).
Whether a woman has her long hair parabelion covering or not she is still commanded to further katakalupto herself with a kalumma (veil herself with a cloth veil) just like Moses did in 2 Cor 3)
There is something to be said about the headcovering "hiding a woman's glory”
Long hair is her glory, but only to be shared with her husband. That was the context in 2 Cor 3 after all where the covering hides the glory!"
Posted by Jeremiah Stephen 6/15/15”
No Headcovering, No Heaven
head covering is
required for salvation
3/31/21-4/1/21
We already know that you need to obey all
the Bible to inherit heaven so if you intentionally neglect the explicit
command to practice head coverings then obviously you're going to hell and have
nothing to do with Jesus or the Bible or faith or God.
the moral
consequences of the words in 1co11 show us that you will go to hell of you
disobey the head covering.
begging shameful
with an uncovered head will easily land you in hell.
head coverings are
an issue of modesty, as confirmed by historical context, as well as ot context,
as well as the very Greek of 1co11.
if you don't obey
biblical modesty you will not be saved:
1ti2
so...
1ti2 - modesty required to be saved
2ti2 - pass on traditions
1co11 - head covering is a modesty tradition
2th2-3; Jude - fight for these traditions or you will be
ex-communicated as an end times apostate with eyes full of adultery
>> Google
what did it mean
when a woman's hair was cut as a punishment throughout history
Disobeying head coverings is punishable by cutting off the hair
(1co11), which is historically the punishment for sexual crimes (which the nt
says will send you to hell) and/or this "haircut" is at least the
same as 'the attire of a harlot' (Pro_; Assyrian Code) - we should not
be surprised because this prostitute is mentioned in the previous chapter:
1co10 (and the parallels in 1co6), and 'her paths lead to hell' according to
Proverbs.
Prostitutes do not inherit the Kingdom of heaven according
to numerous sin lists in the Bible.
head coverings are
imitating a tradition / transmission of the apostles which is a fundamental
element of the faith.
you have to imitate
these traditions of the apostles/transmissions by receiving them joyfully from
the heart in order to be free from living in sin and be a saved disciple as
described in Romans 6.
you have to keep
these traditions to be part of the monotheistic early church described in 2
Timothy 2:2.
if you don't keep
the traditions of the apostles then you are one of the gross pervert heretic
apostates with eyes full of adultery condemned and confronted and warned
against in the Epistle of Jude.
at the end of this
matter, of you doing agree with this biblical teaching on head coverings then
you are not part of Jesus's Church and you are already ex-communicated and going
to hell.
it is an issue of
being in the church in 1co11 and disobey ers were not received to communion
without it in the early church, which meant you were going to hell as
ex-communicated.
2th2-3 - you are excommunicated if you don't keep these
traditions
All that being said, obeying head coverings is not just a
prerequisite for salvation, obeying it from the heart is the very process of
salvation from sin (and end times apostasy) on into the perfect, infinite,
Divine, biblical righteousness of obeying all the bible. (as
seen in Romans 6, etc.)
Headcovering from the Heart!
Headcoverings: "It's What's In the Heart That
Counts"???
> YouTube
people actually
have the audacity to suggest that head coverings do not make you more
christ-like!
Excuse you, but The sermon on the
Mount is all about obedience!
obeying Jesus does
make you more like the Anointed One...
people really
aren't thinking or listening they're just going along with their traditions of
men ignoring and setting aside the word of God in their complete mindless
hypocrisy while announcing others as being religious...!
but isn't it what
is in the heart that counts in the end?
yes, and what is
required in the heart is obedience!
>> Scrip:
Romans 6:17 - you obeyed from the heart that form of
teaching which was tradition-ed unto you
Matthew 5:27 - whoever looks at a woman to lust after has
already committed adultery with her in his heart
Matthew 15:19 - from within the heart comes fornication
Matthew 18:7 - woe to the man through whom offenses come
if a man commits
adultery by looking, and prostitution starts in the heart, and a man is guilty
just by looking, it is even more grievous and perverted an evil and sinful for
The prostitute who invites him to look...
yes indeed, head
covering is a moral issue:
modesty and sexual
purity is, without any question, a weightier matter of
justice/righteousness/the love of God
in the Bible is
always obsessed over moral issues
....
child molesters are
notorious for downplaying the impact of their crimes on their victims
and likewise you
have no right to excuse or downplay your perverse hateful murderous crimes when
you are immodest and murdering other people's purity and attacking their
dignity and eternal life.
pushing someone down into hell with you by your
prostitution attacks is not a light matter or something that you as a molester
have any prerogative or right or leverage to downplay as though it's not a
major deal
you have blood on
your hands!
....
the weightier
matters of the law specifically include the love of God
and the shemma is
very clear that loving God comes first before loving man
and loving God is
to be done at the expense of your own worthless pitiful wretched human
so-called pseudo love for your fellow sinful man
The Hair is NOT the Covering!
Eph_5: – Greek: Anti
touto – the parable directly correlates with the reality, just as with Head
Coverings the Cloth directly correlates with the Glorious hair.
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Clothes Needed Inside and Outside
Don't Take Off Your Clothes Just Because You
Come Inside
5/9/19; 4/1/21
when going to Aldi
I saw an Indian woman at first I was encouraged to see her head covering when
going inside but when she got inside she uncovered her head and wore it as a
scarf...
...
then it looked like
the same thing again when she was walking to Dollar tree...
Disobedience Strategies Against Headcoverings
4/20/19; 4/1/21; 12/12/21; 3/22/24
there are several
basic positions that church people take in order to disobey the biblical
command for women to cover their heads:
· Women with short hair - wicked women who are so far from caring about the head covering that they don't even care about the glory of long hair
· Women hypocritically pretending that their prostituted hair is a head covering (& we all know that's not true... all you got to do is read the Bible...)
· Some hardcore women who are doing what they think is the best they can do by putting something on their head whenever they might pray...
· Anabaptist style caps - Which is less than a man might cover their head when they put on a hat... and this is usually based on the fundamental erroneous myth of a "Christian woman's prayer veil" - the Bible neither describes the head covering as Christian or limited to prayer or a veil... and the only word that is accurate there is "woman"
if church people
say that a woman's hair is her head covering they are just plain lying to you
and themselves but they are not deceiving God who will throw their soul into
hell for being a liar and rebel and a boundary breaker...
when it comes to
church people who are trying to make a claim of believe in the Head covering,
or church people who are struggling on how to obey it in general, they almost
always make two (defining) fatal errors:
(1) church people assume that Paul
is only telling them to cover woman's heads during prayer (that is factually
not what the text actually says), and,
(2) a woman was not covering her
head when she was not praying...
(and even this is based on their
fictional "prayer veil")
just because Paul
said that a woman should have her head hidden during prayer it does not
logically follow that we are free to assume that she is free to not have her
head covered when she is not praying...
most people feel quite free and justified in making this
assumptions however this Sampson itself is not logical nor implied by the text
at all - it actually teaches the opposite...
the prayer veil
myth is based on superstitious Mystical embellishments that are not only
additions to the text but contrary to it...
the text itself
explains the covering as a moral creation modesty based virtue...
...
Obey All, Including Headcoverings
“If we dismiss the use of magic as a language, we
should at least be fundamentalist to the bitter end, and go against "Mary
Poppins," "Peter Pan," and "Sleeping Beauty," and
insist that Cinderella puts a burkha on."[114]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series
3/2/21
"Because" of Prayer or Purity???
4/20/19; 4/1/21
Prayer is of great importance, but so is purity…
Paul uses the transitional word "because"
the arguments
following the repeated use of the word “because” expand the argument far beyond
the limited (initial) context of Prayer
the head covering
is based on creation principles and has moral consequences
if you do not keep
the Traditions which Paul established that means that you are on a first-level
excommunication (and even if you have had benefits of Faith you will not
inherit the kingdom)...
not keeping the
Traditions is serious business when breaking the rules of the Bible
Paul is making a social comparison in the form of a moral
equation...
and what does man
and woman's relationship of authority and submission have to do with head
coverings and modesty?
let's zoom out for
a moment and take notice that in cultures where they diligently practice head
covering women are so submissive and held in such subjection that it is
considered "oppression"of women...
now compare that to
our cultures which tend do produce women that are so bold and audacious in
their prostitution that they think egalitarianism is a right...!
we see that the
Bible indeed is true in linking modesty and submission and this is by no
accident...
Long Dress, Hiddenness, And No Braided Hair
11/10/18
1st Timothy 2
The Veil in the Temple
Heb_10:20
Even though the word for “veil” in the temple does not include the word “hide,” yet because it “comes down” we know from the context that the Holy of Holies is hidden by it. How much more “hidden” do you suppose a woman’s head is, when the covering is said not only to come down, but also to hide?
“Down” Often Implies a Veil -- So Also Downing Head Clothing Can “Veil” the Face
1/29/17
There are plenty of times throughout the Greek Bible where cloth that goes “down” is associated with some kind of veil.
Exo_40:22 KJV And he putH5414
(H853) the tableH7979
in the tentH168 of the
congregation,H4150 uponH5921 the sideH3409
of the tabernacleH4908 northward,H6828 withoutH4480
H2351 the vail.H6532
Exo_40:22 ABP AndG2532 he placedG2007
theG3588 tableG5132 inG1519
theG3588 tentG4633 of theG3588
testimony,G3142 uponG1909 theG3588
sideG2827.1 of theG3588 tentG4633
of theG3588 testimony,G3142 the one
G3588 towardsG4314 the
north,G1005 from outsideG1855 theG3588
veilG2665 of theG3588
tent.G4633
Exo_40:22 καιG2532 επεθηκεG2007 τηνG3588
τραπεζανG5132 ειςG1519 τηνG3588
σκηνηνG4633 τουG3588
μαρτυριουG3142 επιG1909 τοG3588
κλιτοςG2827.1 τηςG3588
σκηνηςG4633 τουG3588
μαρτυριουG3142 τοG3588
προςG4314 βορρανG1005
εξωθενG1855 τουG3588 καταπετασματοςG2665 τηςG3588 σκηνηςG4633
Spit is Not Inherently Immodest
Deu_25:9
Jesus spit on the ground. It is presumed that no female lusted inappropriately after the spit left on the ground.
We see an example from man to woman, and from woman to man.
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10/15/15
Son_1:7 CAB Tell me, you whom my soul loves, where
you graze your flock, where you rest them at noon; For why should I be as one
who is veiled beside the flocks of your companions? Lover
Son_1:7 WEB Tell me, you whom my soul
loves, where you tend your flock, where you cause them to rest at noon,
lest I become as one that is veiled by the flocks of your companions.
Son_1:7 Ἀπάγγειλόν
μοι, ὃν ἠγάπησεν
ἡ ψυχή μου, ποῦ
ποιμαίνεις, ποῦ
κοιτάζεις ἐν
μεσημβρίᾳ, μήποτε
γένωμαι ὡς
περιβαλλομένη
ἐπ᾿ ἀγέλαις ἑταίρων
σου.
This very clearly shows that if she was not married to him, she would have to remain like all the other women with her head and face hidden from his eyes.
The romance of marriage is what permits for to protest, and insist on the intimacy of him seeing her sexual features, and being able to erotically strip off her head covering so that he may gaze and visually love her in all rejoicing and intimacy.
5/4/13
1 cor 11 is not the 1st place that the head covering is mentioned/taught. The first explicit place where the arrangement of the head covering is addressed is in Numbers 11, where it presupposes that the woman normally has her head covered at other times (outside of the Numbers 11 case). The Law of Moses is communicated within a context where people understood the morality of modesty. Even the pagan enemies of Israel knew that they needed to cover their heads for modesty’s sakes (ex see Assyrian Code). This is not a Christian thing, or even a Jewish thing, but a human thing, where even the pagans were doing this!
When you come to 1cor11, many people want to presuppose that this is a “Christian thing”. But that is like saying that fornication or adultery is a “Christian thing”, when we all know that these sins are just all around wrong before God, across every culture, time, generation, and people groups. Paul appeals to nature, something that predates the proclaimed faith in Jesus.
The Code of the Assura, c. 1075 BCE
“I.40. If the wives of a man, or the daughters of a man go out into the street, their heads are to be veiled. The prostitute is not to be veiled. Maidservants [i.e. from defeated nations who were enslaved] are not to veil themselves. Veiled harlots and maidservants shall have their garments seized and 50 blows inflicted on them and bitumen poured on their heads.”
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/1075assyriancode.asp
1/13/13
Ancient Assyrians were clearly more Biblical than modern church people.
Drinking and Driving
If I say, “Whoever drives While intoxicated endangers the life of himself and others” This does not at all implied that it is OK to be intoxicated when not driving. Nor does it imply that you do not risk your own life and the life of others when intoxicated just because you’re not driving.
If Paul says that the woman shames her head if she uncovers it when praying, This does not at all imply that she does not shame her head if she uncovers it when she’s not praying.
If you Foolishly “Modernize” the Bible and imagine the scene Like your own Filthy and immoral culture, Where women are Walking all around without covered heads and coming into church , then you might think that they should cover their head when praying.
But if you Soberly and realistically Consider the Biblical and historical scene of reverent women Always being fully covered, including their head, whenever going throughout society then you will not imagine the silly picture of them adding a head covering when they come to church.
This is not about adding to the Scriptures or embellishing the commands Of the Bible, this is about repenting of your own foolish and dirty and evil culture, And submitting to what The scriptures clearly tell us about The extreme and consistent modesty of reverent women outside of the assembly as well as inside.
Face
Ø Briefly compare the first points in chapter 2 under “Head and Face”
Lust
So why is it that some people try to think that lusting after a woman’s face is not wrong when there are Bible verses that specifically speak against it and the judgment that results from it?
Pro_6:25 Don't lust after her beauty in your heart, Neither let her captivate you with her eyelids, (WEB)”.
Isa_3:16-24 Moreover the Lord said, "Because the
daughters of Zion are haughty, And
walk with outstretched necks and flirting eyes, Walking to trip as they
go, Jingling ornaments on their feet; 17 Therefore
the Lord brings sores on the crown of
the head of the women of Zion, And the
Lord
will make their scalps
bald."
18 In that day the Lord will take away
the beauty of their anklets, the headbands, the crescent necklaces, 19 the
earrings, the bracelets, the veils, 20 the headdresses, the ankle chains, the
sashes, the perfume bottles, the charms, 21 the signet rings, the nose rings, 22 the fine robes, the capes, the cloaks, the
purses, 23
the hand-mirrors, the fine linen garments, the hoods, and the shawls. 24
It shall happen that instead of sweet spices, there shall be
rottenness; Instead of a belt, a rope; Instead of well set hair, baldness;
Instead of a robe, a girding of sackcloth; And branding instead of beauty. (WEB-Based)
Although makeup is not necessarily bad, it is worth considering the specifically bad use of it, and it’s potential to be associated with sensuality:
- Make-up
- eyes
2Ki_9:30-33 WEB When Jehu was come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she painted her eyes, and attired her head, and looked out at the window. 31 As Jehu entered in at the gate, she said, Is it peace, you Zimri, your master's murderer? 32 He lifted up his face to the window, and said, Who is on my side? who? There looked out to him two or three eunuchs. 33 He said, Throw her down. So they threw her down; and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses: and he trod her under foot.
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“Shamefacedness”
-
Taken from “The No Dating Scriptures”
1Ti_2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness127 and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array… (KJV-Based).
A. Greek
G127 αἰδώς aidōs ahee-doce'● Perhaps from G1 (as a negative
particle) and G1492 (through the idea of downcast eyes); bashfulness,
that is, (towards
men), modesty or
(towards God) awe: - reverence,
shamefacedness. (Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries)
…modesty, bashfulness, reverence,
regard for others, respect (Thayer’s Greek Definitions)
B. Cultural Significance
“Shamefacedness” is God’s version of what newer translations often merely translate as “propriety.” But this verse strongly includes being modest with ones eyes!
A woman having “downcast eyes” was and is in many places an issue of modesty; It means that they are not being flirtatious. It is interesting that the Bible approves of, and commands this cultural attitude to be practiced. Granted: We are in a different culture. But there is an invaluable chase, non-flirtatious attitude that should and must be harvested from this verse, especially in light of the fact that we are in great deficit of this virtue in our sensually charged society. Our culture has discipled us to proudly and hastily embrace lustful attitudes toward each other as much as possible. If we keep this verse, then we do good to make blatant strikes against the foolish love of lust so championed in this perverse age.
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Moral “Shamefacedness” for All People Before God?
Wis_12:14 Brenton Neither shall king or tyrant *be able to set his face
against thee for any whom thou hast punished [* ἀντοφθαλμῆσαι
δυνήσεταί σοι
πε ρὶ ὧν ἐκόλασας].
Earrings?
Deu_15:17 WEB then you shall take an awl, and thrust it through his ear to the door, and he shall be your servant forever. Also to your female servant you shall do likewise.
Deu_15:17 LB then you shall take an awl, and bore his ear through to the door, and he shall be your servant forever; and in like manner shall you do to your male servant.
Deu_15:17 καὶ λήμψῃ
τὸ ὀπήτιον καὶ
τρυπήσεις τὸ ὠτίον
αὐτοῦ πρὸς τὴν
θύραν, καὶ ἔσται
σοι οἰκέτης εἰς
τὸν αἰῶνα· καὶ
τὴν παιδίσκην
σου ποιήσεις ὡσαύτως.
Head and Face
Main New Testament reference: 1Co_11:1-16
But they Did Sometimes Hide Their Head When Ashamed
Comparing Some Greek
Our (spiritual) gospel
is not veiled to those who are saved
When Moses veiled the glory of his face (Exo_34:33) it is said
Επεθηκεν
2007[V-AAI-3S] επι 1909[PREP]
το 3588[T-ASN] προσωπον
4383[N-ASN] αυτου 846
Or in 2Co_3:13:
καλυμμα 2571[A VEIL] επι 1909[ON] το 3588[THE] προσωπον 4383
Veil of temple uses “kata” + “flying” to be expressed in Greek
Times to Not Veil
It seems that the Biblical idea of veiling was the same of regular clothing.
When Traveling In The Hot Son Before Meeting Isaac
Though righteous Rebecca did not have the veil on during the unbearably hot ride through the desert, as soon as the issue of modesty was present she veiled herself:
Peter
In the same way Peter did not fully cloth himself in the hot work of fishing, but when met by Jesus from the shore he quickly clothed himself.
Feet Washing
When the woman kissed Jesus’ feet there was at least some removing of the veil? Or possibly the mouth is never covered?
Therefore, it is safe to say that head coverings were always used for social situations (non-family members), and veils were very necisary where there was unfamiliarity with some involved and any greater potential for lust. The lesson in 1Co_11 is that the Assembly of the church is no exception to this practice of covering the hair or veiling the face. In short, this is literally described as “Something that comes down and hides the head”
--
A man shames his head if he has something coming down it:
Est_7:8
Est_6:12; Job_9:24; Isa_22:17
“Shame has covered our faces”
Eli
Saw Hanna’s Mouth Move
Unsolved Face Veil
Question
3/12/17; 12/12/21
1Sa_1:12 WEB It happened, as
she continued praying before Yahweh, that Eli marked her mouth.
1Sa_1:12 LB And it
came to pass, while she was praying a long time before the Lord, that Eli the
priest watched her mouth.
1Sa_1:12 καὶ ἐγενήθη
ὅτε ἐπλήθυνεν
προσευχομένη ἐνώπιον
κυρίου, καὶ Ηλι ὁ
ἱερεὺς ἐφύλαξεν
τὸ στόμα αὐτῆς·
· This passage brings up important questions about the face veil
· The sight of the mouth speaking can still be seen despite a face veil.
· We (Bible obeyers) can speak as those who know -- since we practice face veils and still see mouths moving.
Mouth Veil – Thirsty Silent-ness
G4623 G4602 G4601
Isa_42:14
Sarah Hiding Behind The Tent Wall
8/20/17; 8/22/17
>> scrip:
Sarah hiding behind the tent wall when the Three Angels came and visited.
we can compare this scene with other passages in the Bible and with many other potent examples throughout history and we can get a very potent realization of what is going on with Sarah hiding behind the wall typically without a head covering "In the Heat of the day", and with some seriously striking virtue of humility and quiet feminine modesty, listening into the men talking and deciding what will happen in life.
because she was a humble submissive quiet virtuous female, modestly hiding behind the tent wall, not even intending to be a part of the conversation, but only to listen, she was also exalted greatly without her consent.
WARNING: The Head Covering is an Issue of Modesty!
The Bible definitely teaches that a woman
ought not to remove her head covering* during prayer and prophecy, and that a
man ought not to add a head covering* during these times (1Co 11). It is an
unspeakable tragedy that most all versions are extremely haphazard,
irresponsible, sloppy, and vague when misrepresenting this chapter in English,
but people in other cultures have been obeying this for thousands of years!
Even “conservative Muslims” know how to obey this chapter better than modern christians!
[* Important Details: The Biblical word for a head
covering is to “ἔχων…κατακαλύπτεσθαι” – to “have something
coming down (κατα) and hiding (καλύπτεσθαι).” The root word “καλύπτω” (G2572), (as used in
1Co 11) is a somewhat more “clothing-specific” verbal relative to the more
general concepts of “hiding” such as
“κρύπτω” (G2928) and the corresponding noun
“κρυπτω” (G2927) as used in Mat_6:6, etc.]
12/19/11
Headship vs. Body
Eph_1:22-23
Jesus = head
Church = Body
1Co_11:
Man = head
Woman = his body
If she uncovers her physical head, she is uncovering her authoritative head’s entire body, whether that is her father, brothers, husband, or the men in the church in general. This is a universal man-woman dynamic.
Her head = His Body (because she is his body)
Uncovering Her head = Uncovering His Body (because she is his body)
Talmud Agrees with the Veil
“and this is the part of an evil man,
who sees his wife going out, without
a veil upon her head, and with a bare neck, and sees her washing
in the baths, where men are wont to
wash, and yet cares not for it; whereas by the law he is bound to put her
away.”
(from the Talmud – “Maimonides and Gittin” [says Lightfoot])
Although these hard hearted Jews are obviously very wrong about divorcing her (just as it is seen in Mat_19 and Mar_10), yet they do preserve a consistent and even Biblical concept of modesty.
There are many other quotes I need to add here as well.
Rebekka & Tamar
Rebekka - Gen_24:65
θέριστρον
περιεβάλετο
\/
Tamar - Gen_38:14
περιεβάλετο
θέριστρον καὶ ἐκαλλωπίσατο
p. 164 ALS > 299
Does it include the
face?:
Katakalupto to prosopon -
Tamar, Susana, Isea, Tertullian
Son_4:1 - σιωπήσεώς
ALS 493
Jdt_9:2 KJVA O Lord God of my
father Simeon, to whom thou gavest a sword to take vengeance of the strangers,
who loosened the girdle of a maid to defile her, and discovered the thigh to
her shame, and polluted her virginity to her reproach; for thou saidst, It
shall not be so; and yet they did so:
Jdt_10:3 KJVA And pulled off
[περιείλατο] the sackcloth
[τὸν σάκκον] which she had on [ἐνεδεδύκει],
and put off [ἐξεδύσατο] the
garments [τὰ ἱμάτια] of her
widowhood, and washed [περιεκλύσατο]
her body all over with water, and anointed [ἐχρίσατο]
herself with precious ointment, and braided the hair [διέξανε
(Dia + compare G1815 - G1817) τὰς τρίχας
G2359] of her head, and put on a tire upon it [ἐπέθετο
(see G2111; G276; G428; G802; G1455; G1570) μίτραν (p. 377 ALS*) ἐπ᾿
αὐτῆς], and put on her garments [τὰ ἱμάτια]
of gladness [τῆς εὐφροσύνης
αὐτῆς], wherewith she was clad [ἐν οἷς
ἐστολίζετο] during the life
of Manasses her husband.
* p. 377 ALS:
"μίτρα, -??
headdress,
tier, headband (to bind women's hair together)..."
[can also be a type of crown]
NETS says, “turban”
Jdt_10:4 KJVA And she took sandals upon [εἰς] her feet,
and put about [περιέθετο] her her
bracelets [τοὺς χλιδῶνας],
and her chains [τὰ ψέλια], and her rings
[τοὺς δακτυλίους],
and her earrings [τὰ ἐνώτια], and
all her ornaments [τὸν κόσμον
αὐτῆς], and decked herself bravely [ἐκαλλωπίσατο
σφόδρα
G4970], to [εἰς]
allure the eyes of all men [ἀπάτησιν ὀφθαλμῶν
ἀνδρῶν] that should see her [ὅσοι
ἂν ἴδωσιν αὐτήν].
Jdt_10:7 KJVA And when they saw her, that her countenance [πρόσωπον αὐτῆς] was altered, and her apparel [τὴν στολὴν] was changed, they wondered at her beauty very greatly [ἐθαύμασαν ἐπὶ τῷ κάλλει αὐτῆς ἐπὶ πολὺ σφόδρα], and said unto her.
Rebekah, Susanna, & Maccabean Brides -- History Agrees with the Bible
The Use
of Veils During Bible Times -- in
and outside the Bible
Gen_24:63-67 KJV And Isaac went out to meditate in the field at the eventide:
and he lifted up his eyes, and saw, and, behold, the camels were
coming. 64 And
Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the
camel. 65 For
she had
said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And
the servant had
said, It is
my master: therefore she took a vail,
and covered herself… 65 …and she became his wife; and he loved her.
Dan_13:31-32 KJV 31 Now Susanna was a very delicate woman, and beauteous to behold. 32 And these wicked men commanded to uncover her face, (for she was covered) that they might be filled with her beauty. 33 Therefore her friends and all that saw her wept.
Side Notes:
This is quote is taken from “The history of Susana” which was originally included in the KJV but was eventually removed under the pressure of Protestantism that prevailed in labeling these works as “the Apocrypha.”
3Ma_4:6-9 Brenton Girls [νεανιδες – young girls (i.e. over 12 years old)] who had *entered the bridal chamber [* υπεληλυθυιαι (come under) παστον] quite lately, to enjoy the *partnership of marriage [* βιου κοινωνιαν γαμικον – the sharing/ fellowship of the (here and now) life of marriage], exchanged pleasure for misery; and with dust [κονει] scattered upon their myrrh-anointed heads, were hurried along unveiled [ακαλυπτως – lit. unhidden; (this is the same root used in 1Co_11)];
Note: it is not claimed that this is Scripture, but it is at least a very ancient historical reference which agrees with the Biblical mentality.
Back when people use to care about the exclusive, marital participation in another person’s sexuality, this was seen as an extreme and painful tragedy! What about you, oh desensitized, modern harlot? Do you care if you go around in public unveiled?
Muslim & Talmud Agree About Headcoverings
Persecuted Writer A
Resources
An email Persecuted
Writer A sent me 8/15/11:
Muslim rebuking Christians: I really appreciate this rebuke
since so much of it is true and she says things more bluntly than I would have
originally thought to do, and she explained things in a way that I had not
originally thought to say. It really is something of a glimpse on what is going
to happen on the judgement. Sadly not everything is true. Be sure to have your
pictures off when looking at this though. Theoretically every women's head is covered on the page, but it is not up to
moral standards in most cases.
http://ilovehishmatheblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/jewish-and-christian-hijab-ii.html
If you are interested here is a link to what she says
about headcoverings before Islam. I have not read this yet. The pictures are
worse here than in the other page though.
http://ilovehishmatheblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/part-i-illustrated-history-of-evolution.html
Here is the website that had the Talmud
references in them.. Its under the title "PROOF
C: BIBLICAL AND TALMUDIC EVIDENCE"
http://www.thesimpletruth.net/booklet/headcovering.html
this was another helpful talmud website. I did not check to see if
you already have these references though. It might be helpful to you.
drewkaplan.info/Torah/TalmudicSourcesonWomensHeadHairCovering.pdf
“Shame” Shows that Headcoverings are a
Modesty Issue!
Man should not be ashamed to show off his head, because he is an
icon intended to be looked at, while woman is not an icon at all, and
should be covered.
Shame
≈ Dishonor/Devalue
Dishonor is a synonym for Shame
Jer 22:22 The
wind shall feed all your shepherds, and your lovers shall go into captivity:
surely then you will be ashamed
and confounded for all your
wickedness.
Jer 22:22 The
wind shall tend all your shepherds, and your lovers shall go into captivity;
for then shall you be ashamed
[αἰσχυνθήσῃ] and disgraced [ἀτιμωθήσῃ] because of all
your lovers.
Jer 22:22 πάντας
τοὺς ποιμένας
σου ποιμανεῖ ἄνεμος,
καὶ οἱ ἐρασταί
σου ἐν αἰχμαλωσίᾳ
ἐξελεύσονται·
ὅτι τότε αἰσχυνθήσῃ
καὶ ἀτιμωθήσῃ
ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν
φιλούντων σε.
Just
like it is used in 1Co_11:14
1Co 11:14 CAB
Does not nature itself teach you, that if a man has long hair, it is a
dishonor [ατιμια] to him?
1Co 11:14 TSBη
ουδε TSBαυτη
η φυσις Aαυτη
διδασκει υμας
οτι ανηρ μεν
εαν κομα
ατιμια αυτω
εστιν
The Point: Shame ≈ Devaluing +
Perception
Shame
≈ Devaluing by
perception
Shame
≈ Disfigure
12/5/21
This
is important because it is somewhat related to SCHEMA
Strong’s:
“to disfigure: πρόσωπον,
Homer, Iliad 18, 24, and many others.”
Possibly
this passage?:
“pain was come upon me after I had fallen afar through the
will of my shameless mother,
that was fain to hide me away by reason of my lameness”
https://www.theoi.com/Text/HomerIliad18.html
12/5/21
Alternatively:
“Thine
were the shame,it anywise he come, a corpse despitefully entreated."”
Can’t
find the idea here (in 24):
http://johnstoniatexts.x10host.com/homer/iliad24.htm
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0134%3Abook%3D24
Schema
Anti-schema
& Dishonor
Also compare the equivalent idea with
anti-schema:
1Co_12:23-24 -- Presentable vs.
Unpresentable Parts
Gen_34:7 And theG3588 G1161 sonsG5207 of JacobG* cameG2064 fromG1537 theG3588 plain.G3977.1 And asG5613 G1161 they heard,G191 [3were vexedG2660 1theG3588 2men],G435 andG2532 it was distressingG3077.1 G1510.7.3 to themG1473 exceedingly.G4970 ForG3754 [2an indecent act G809 1he did]G4160 inG1722 Israel,G* going to bedG2837 withG3326 theG3588 daughterG2364 of Jacob.G* AndG2532 notG3756 thusG3779 shall it be.G1510.8.3
Deu_24:1 And ifG1437 G1161 anyG5100 takeG2983 a womanG1135 andG2532 should live withG4924 her,G1473 andG2532 it shall beG1510.8.3 ifG1437 she should not findG3361 G2147 favorG5484 beforeG1726 him,G1473 forG3754 he findsG2147 inG1722 herG1473 an indecentG809 thing,G4229 thenG2532 he shall writeG1125 to herG1473 [2scrollG975 1a certificate of
divorce],G647 andG2532 he shall put itG1325 intoG1519 G3588 her hands,G5495 G1473 andG2532 he shall sendG1821 herG1473 from out ofG1537 G3588 his house.G3614 G1473
1Co_12:23
andG2532 the ones whichG3739 seemG1380 to be exceedingly
without honorG820 G1510.1 of theG3588 body,G4983 theseG3778 [3honorG5092 2more
extraG4053 1we
invest];G4060 andG2532 G3588 [2indecent parts G809 1ourG1473 5decencyG2157 4more extraG4053 3have];G2192
>>>>>>>>
1Ti_2:
Shame and Perception
WS:
“G143 αἰσθάνομαι
…to perceive. To perceive, primarily with the
external senses.”
Strong:
G144
αἴσθησις
aisthēsis ah'ee-sthay-sis
From G143; perception,
that is, (figuratively) discernment: - judgment.
G145
αἰσθητήριον
aisthētērion ahee-sthay-tay'-ree-on
From a derivative of G143;
properly an organ of perception, that is, (figuratively)
judgment: - senses.
G149
αἰσχρόν aischron
ahee-skhron'
Neuter of G150; a shameful
thing, that is, indecorum: - shame.
There is a similar sound (αἰσ…ρ-)
which can indicate a similar idea.
Covering Shame = Sexual
Other dates; 10/12/18; 12/12/21
When you are talking about Shame in a gender context, you are talking about the need for modesty.
Deu 23:13 WEB and you shall have a paddle among your
weapons; and it shall be, when you sit down abroad, you shall dig therewith, and
shall turn back and cover that which comes from you:
Deu 23:13 LB
and you shall have an implement among your equipment; and it shall come
to pass that when you relieve yourself outside the camp, that you shall dig
with it, and you shall cover
your refuse [καλύψεις
τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
σου].
Deu 23:13 (23:14)
καὶ πάσσαλος ἔσται
σοι ἐπὶ τῆς ζώνης
σου, καὶ ἔσται ὅταν
διακαθιζάνῃς ἔξω,
καὶ ὀρύξεις ἐν
αὐτῷ καὶ ἐπαγαγὼν
καλύψεις
τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
σου ἐν αὐτῷ·
Deu 23:14 WEB for Yahweh your God walks in the midst of
your camp, to deliver you, and to give up your enemies before you; therefore
your camp shall be holy, that he may not see
an unclean thing in you, and turn away from you.
Deu 23:14 LB
Because the Lord your God walks in your camp to deliver you, and to give
up your enemy from before your face; and your camp shall be holy, and there
shall not ·appear in you a disgraceful thing
[ὀφθήσεται ἐν
σοὶ ἀσχημοσύνη
πράγματος], so that He should turn away
[ἀποστρέψει] from you.
Deu 23:14 (23:15) ὅτι
κύριος ὁ θεός
σου ἐμπεριπατεῖ
ἐν τῇ παρεμβολῇ
σου ἐξελέσθαι
σε καὶ παραδοῦναι
τὸν ἐχθρόν σου
πρὸ προσώπου
σου, καὶ ἔσται ἡ
παρεμβολή σου ἁγία,
καὶ οὐκ ὀφθήσεται
ἐν σοὶ ἀσχημοσύνη
πράγματος καὶ ἀποστρέψει
ἀπὸ σοῦ.
Shame
of Seeing People Uncovered -- Without Clothing
Gen_2:25 CAB (3:1) And the two were naked [γυμνοί], *both
Adam [Heb.:
man] and *[ ὅ – that of] his
wife [lit.
woman] [ὅ τε
Αδαμ καὶ ἡ γυνὴ
αὐτοῦ], and were not ashamed [ᾐσχύνοντο]
[note: Mr. Strong thinks γυνή
(G1135) is “Probably from the base of G1096” –
γίνομαι (i.e. “to cause to be
(“gen” -erate)”), which is very realistic (and maybe very likely), but I wonder
if it is also somehow related (maybe as a parent or grandparent) to
γυμνός (G1131) – naked (Which Strong
says is “Of uncertain affinity”.)]
1Sa_20:30 CAB And
Saul was exceedingly angry with Jonathan, and said to him, You son of a
traitorous woman [κορασίων]!
For do I not know that you are an accomplice with the son of Jesse to yourself,
and to the shame of your mother's nakedness?
1Sa_20:30 CT-LXX Upon
this Saul was greatly enraged at Jonathan, and said to him, Thou son of the
perverse and rebellious! For do I not know that thou art an accomplice of the
son of Jessai, to thy own shame [αἰσχύνην],
and the confusion [εἰς αἰσχύνην
ἀποκαλύψεως
– into the shame of unhiding/from hidden-ness] of
thy mother?
1Sa_20:30 Greek καὶ
ἐθυμώθη ὀργῇ
Σαουλ ἐπὶ
Ιωναθαν σφόδρα
καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ
Υἱὲ κορασίων αὐτομολούντων,
οὐ γὰρ οἶδα ὅτι
μέτοχος εἶ σὺ τῷ
υἱῷ Ιεσσαι εἰς
αἰσχύνην σου
καὶ εἰς αἰσχύνην
ἀποκαλύψεως
μητρός σου;
Isa_20:4 CAB for
thus shall the king of the Assyrians lead the captivity of Egypt and the
Ethiopians, young men and old, naked [γυμνοὺς] and
barefoot [ἀνυποδέτους], *having
the shame [αἰσχύνην] of
Egypt exposed [ἀνακεκαλυμμένους] [* ἀνακεκαλυμμένους
τὴν αἰσχύνην Αἰγύπτου].
Eze_23:29 CAB And
they shall deal with you in hatred, and shall take all the fruits of
your labors and your toils, and you shall be naked [γυμνὴ] and
bare [ἀσχημονοῦσα
– shammed]; and the *shame
[αἰσχύνη] of
your fornication shall be exposed [ἀποκαλυφθήσεται
– from hide-ing clothing] – [* ἀποκαλυφθήσεται
αἰσχύνη πορνείας].
And your ungodliness and your fornication
Rev_3:18 CAB I
counsel you to buy from Me gold having been tried by fire, so
that you may become rich; and white robes [ἱμάτια
λευκὰ], *so
that you may be clothed [* ἵνα περιβάλῃ – lit. to
throw around you], and *the shame of your nakedness [* ἡ
αἰσχύνη τῆς
γυμνότητός σου] may
not appear [φανερωθῇ];
and eye salve [κολλούριον], so
that you may anoint your eyes, in order that you may see [βλέπῃ].
Rev_3:18 Greek
συμβουλεύω
σοι ἀγοράσαι
παρ᾿ ἐμοῦ
χρυσίον
πεπυρωμένον ἐκ
πυρὸς ἵνα
πλουτήσῃς,
καὶ ἱμάτια
λευκὰ ἵνα
περιβάλῃ
καὶ μὴ
φανερωθῇ ἡ
αἰσχύνη τῆς
γυμνότητός
σου, καὶ
κολλούριον ἔγχρισον
τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς
σου ἵνα βλέπῃς.
Are
believers supposed to be clothed in gold now?
Is
this future hope of glorious clothing showing off glory, or hiding it?
>>
Then you will appear with him in Glory
Rev_16:15 CAB Behold, I
am coming like a thief [κλέπτης].
Blessed is he who watches [γρηγορῶν],
and guards his garments [τηρῶν
τὰ ἱμάτια
αὐτοῦ],
lest he should walk naked [ἵνα μὴ γυμνὸς
περιπατῇ] and
they should see his shame [βλέπωσι
τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
αὐτοῦ]."
Rev16:15 Greek ᾿Ιδοὺ ἔρχομαι
ὡς κλέπτης·
μακάριος ὁ
γρηγορῶν καὶ
τηρῶν τὰ ἱμάτια
αὐτοῦ, ἵνα
μὴ γυμνὸς
περιπατῇ
καὶ βλέπωσι
τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
αὐτοῦ.
Is
the head covering for God’s sake?
>>
all things are naked and bare before Him
>>
we all with uncovered face
>>
this is like the future hope, where “there is neither
male nor female” with God!
Rev_19:8 CAB And
to her it was granted that she should be dressed in fine linen, bright and
pure, for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
The
Shame of “Messed up Hair”
12/5/21
The same
Greek terminology used in 1Co_11:4 is also used in the
same context in a particular Greek fable:
Lit. “shaming down”
the hair/mane of a lion
(as also noted in VGNT -- The
Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament on G2617)
(A) English
“THE
LION AND THE MOUSE ON HIS MANE
While
a lion was sleeping, a mouse ran over his shaggy mane. This angered the lion
and he leaped up from his den, all the hairs of his mane standing on end. A fox
made fun of the fact that a lion, king of all the animals, had been startled by
a mouse. The lion answered the fox, 'You insolent
creature! I was not afraid of the mouse scratching me and running away; I was
just worried that he might make a
mess on my mane.'”
Source: Aesop's Fables. A new translation by Laura Gibbs.
Oxford University Press (World's Classics): Oxford, 2002.
http://www.mythfolklore.net/aesopica/perry/146.htm
12/5/21
(B) Greek
Κοιμωμένου
λέοντος ἀγρίης
χαίτης
διέδραμεν
μῦς· ὁ δὲ λέων ἐθυμώθη,
φρίξας
δὲ χαίτην ἔθορε
φωλάδος κοίτης.
κερδὼ
δ' ἐπεχλεύαζεν, ὡς
ἐκινήθη
πρὸς μῦν ὁ πάντων
θηρίων
δυναστεύων.
ὁ δ' "οὐχὶ
τὸν μῦν" εἶπεν
"ὦ παλαμναίη,
δέδοικα,
μή μου τὴν δορὴν
κνίσῃ φεύγων·
χαίτην
δ' ἔμελλε τὴν ἐμὴν
καταισχύνειν."
[“=
καταχέζειν, Χαίτην
Babr. 82.8.” (LSJ)]
[Ἀρχόμενον
ἄρτι τὸ θρασὺ τῶν
ὑβριζόντων,
κἂν μικρὸν
ᾖ, κώλυε, μηδὲ
συγχώρει
εὐκαταφρόνητον
σαυτὸν εἶναι
τοῖς φαύλοις.
http://www.mythfolklore.net/aesopica/babrius/82.htm
12/5/21
See
also:
http://users.uoa.gr/~nektar/history/tributes/aesop%27s_fables/babrius.htm
Extra-Biblical info on “Shaming Down”
People
“πολὺ γὰρ
οὕτω δικαιότερον
ἢ ὑπὸ τῶν νόμων
τοὺς πολίτας ἐνεδρεύεσθαι,
οἳ κελεύουσι
μέν, ἐάν τις
μοιχὸν λάβῃ, ὅ
τι ἂν οὖν
βούληται χρῆσθαι,
οἱ δ᾽ ἀγῶνες
δεινότεροι τοῖς
ἀδικουμένοις
καθεστήκασιν ἢ
τοῖς παρὰ τοὺς
νόμους τὰς ἀλλοτρίας
καταισχύνουσι
γυναῖκας.”
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:abo:tlg,0540,001:49&lang=original
Accessed 5/2/13
Ezekiel -- Removing the Head Covering [and clothes in general]
Linked with “Shame”
Eze_16:36-37
Leviticus 18 & 20
Lev_18:6 CAB No man
shall draw near to any of his near kindred *to uncover their nakedness [* ἀποκαλύψαι
ἀσχημοσύνην
– lit. bring out from hidden-ness that which
does not have a (socially presentable) schema/ form/ shape; fig. that which is inappropriate to show in
public ]; I am the Lord.
Lev_20:11 Brenton And if
any one should lie with his father's wife, *he has uncovered his father's
nakedness [lit. shame] [* ἀσχημοσύνην τοῦ πατρὸς
αὐτοῦ ἀπεκάλυψεν]: let them both die the death, they
are guilty.
Lev_20:11 Greek ἐάν τις
κοιμηθῇ μετὰ
γυναικὸς τοῦ
πατρὸς αὐτοῦ, ἀσχημοσύνην
τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ
ἀπεκάλυψεν,
θανάτῳ θανατούσθωσαν
ἀμφότεροι, ἔνοχοί
εἰσιν.
Lev_20:17 Brenton Whosoever
shall take his sister by his father or by his mother, and shall see her
nakedness [ἴδῃ τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
αὐτῆς],
and she see his nakedness [αὕτη
ἴδῃ τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
αὐτοῦ], it is a reproach: they shall be destroyed before the children of
their family; he has uncovered his sister's nakedness [ἀσχημοσύνην
ἀδελφῆς αὐτοῦ ἀπεκάλυψεν], they shall bear their sin.
Lev_20:17 Greek ὃς ἐὰν
λάβῃ τὴν ἀδελφὴν
αὐτοῦ ἐκ πατρὸς
αὐτοῦ ἢ ἐκ μητρὸς
αὐτοῦ καὶ ἴδῃ
τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
αὐτῆς καὶ αὕτη ἴδῃ
τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
αὐτοῦ, ὄνειδός ἐστιν,
ἐξολεθρευθήσονται
ἐνώπιον υἱῶν γένους
αὐτῶν· ἀσχημοσύνην
ἀδελφῆς αὐτοῦ ἀπεκάλυψεν,
ἁμαρτίαν
κομιοῦνται.
Lev_20:18 Brenton And
whatever [ὃς ἂν] man
shall lie with [κοιμηθῇ μετὰ] a
woman *that
is set [sitting] apart [* ἀποκαθημένης
– lit. (who is) sitting herself (away) from… – a woman
who has sat down away from the community… (i.e. during her monthly period)] for
a flux [Brenton added this in English],
and shall uncover her nakedness [ἀποκαλύψῃ
τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
αὐτῆς], he has uncovered her fountain [τὴν πηγὴν
αὐτῆς ἀπεκάλυψεν],
and she has uncovered the flux [ῥύσιν
– flow] of her blood [αὕτη ἀπεκάλυψεν
τὴν ῥύσιν τοῦ
αἵματος αὐτῆς (ῥύσιν (G4511), is basically from ῥέω
(G4482) – think: Rio Grande (big river) in Spanish; in
Greek: to flow)]: they shall both be destroyed from
among their generation.
Lev_20:18 Greek καὶ
ἀνήρ, ὃς ἂν
κοιμηθῇ μετὰ
γυναικὸς ἀποκαθημένης
καὶ ἀποκαλύψῃ
τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
αὐτῆς, τὴν πηγὴν
αὐτῆς ἀπεκάλυψεν,
καὶ αὕτη ἀπεκάλυψεν
τὴν ῥύσιν τοῦ αἵματος
αὐτῆς· ἐξολεθρευθήσονται
ἀμφότεροι ἐκ
τοῦ γένους αὐτῶν.
Lev_20:19 Brenton And
thou shalt not uncover [ἀποκαλύψεις] the
nakedness [ἀσχημοσύνην] of
thy father's sister, or of the sister of thy mother; for that man has uncovered
[ἀπεκάλυψεν] *the
nakedness [* not in Rahlfs] of one near akin [οἰκειότητα
– i.e. one of their house hold]: they shall bear their iniquity.
Lev_20:19 Greek καὶ
ἀσχημοσύνην ἀδελφῆς
πατρός σου καὶ ἀδελφῆς
μητρός σου οὐκ ἀποκαλύψεις·
τὴν γὰρ οἰκειότητα
ἀπεκάλυψεν, ἁμαρτίαν
ἀποίσονται.
Lev_20:20 Brenton Whosoever
shall lie with [κοιμηθῇ μετὰ] his
*near
kinswoman [* συγγενοῦς
– i.e. together generated/begotten one],
has uncovered [ἀπεκάλυψεν] the
nakedness [ἀσχημοσύνην] of
one near akin [συγγενείας] to
him: they shall die childless.
Lev_20:20 Greek ὃς ἂν
κοιμηθῇ μετὰ τῆς
συγγενοῦς αὐτοῦ,
ἀσχημοσύνην τῆς
συγγενείας αὐτοῦ
ἀπεκάλυψεν· ἄτεκνοι
ἀποθανοῦνται.
Lev_20:21 Brenton Whoever
shall take his brother's wife [λάβῃ τὴν
γυναῖκα τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ
αὐτοῦ], it
is uncleanness [ἀκαθαρσία]; he
has uncovered [ἀπεκάλυψεν] his
brother's nakedness [ἀσχημοσύνην];
they shall die childless.
Lev_20:21 Greek ὃς ἂν
λάβῃ τὴν γυναῖκα
τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ αὐτοῦ,
ἀκαθαρσία ἐστίν·
ἀσχημοσύνην
τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ αὐτοῦ
ἀπεκάλυψεν, ἄτεκνοι
ἀποθανοῦνται.
Sirach -- Unhiding Secrets
Directly suggests: Covering Directly Brings
Hidden-ness
Sir_4:18 Brenton Then will she return the straight way unto him, and comfort him, and
shew [ἀποκαλύψει] him her secrets [κρυπτὰ
αὐτῆς].
Sir_4:18 καὶ πάλιν
ἐπανήξει κατ᾿
εὐθεῖαν πρὸς αὐτὸν
καὶ εὐφρανεῖ αὐτὸν
καὶ ἀποκαλύψει
αὐτῷ τὰ κρυπτὰ
αὐτῆς.
Authorities and The Range of Their Potential Jurisdictions Over Modesty, Facial Modesty & Headcoverings
12/22/16
How does the head covering and face veil relates to identification by authorities?
Numbers 5 – A Priest Uncovers a Man’s Wife’s Head
Num_5:15 WEB then the man shall bring his wife to the priest, and
shall bring her offering for her: the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal. He
shall pour no oil on it, nor put frankincense on it, for it is a meal offering
of jealousy, a meal offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to memory.
Num_5:15 CAB then shall the man bring his wife to the priest, and
shall bring his gift for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal. He
shall not pour oil upon it, neither shall he put
frankincense upon it; for it is a sacrifice of jealousy, a sacrifice of
memorial, recalling sin to remembrance.
Num_5:15 καὶ ἄξει
ὁ ἄνθρωπος τὴν
γυναῖκα αὐτοῦ
πρὸς τὸν ἱερέα
καὶ προσοίσει
τὸ δῶρον περὶ αὐτῆς
τὸ δέκατον τοῦ
οιφι ἄλευρον
κρίθινον, οὐκ ἐπιχεεῖ
ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸ ἔλαιον
οὐδὲ ἐπιθήσει ἐπ᾿
αὐτὸ λίβανον, ἔστιν
γὰρ θυσία
ζηλοτυπίας,
θυσία μνημοσύνου
ἀναμιμνήσκουσα
ἁμαρτίαν.
Num_5:16 The priest shall bring her near, and set her before Yahweh;
Num_5:16 And the priest shall bring her, and cause her to stand
before the Lord.
Num_5:16 καὶ προσάξει
αὐτὴν ὁ ἱερεὺς
καὶ στήσει αὐτὴν
ἔναντι κυρίου,
Num_5:18 WEB The priest shall set the woman before Yahweh, ·and let the hair of the
woman's head go loose [ראש
ופרע], and put the meal offering of memorial in her hands, which is the meal
offering of jealousy. The priest shall have in his hand the water of bitterness
that brings a curse.
Num_5:18 CAB And the priest shall cause the woman to stand
before the Lord, and shall uncover [ἀποκαλύψει] the head of the woman, and shall put into her
hands the sacrifice of memorial, the sacrifice of jealousy; and in the hand of
the priest shall be the water of this conviction that brings the curse.
Num_5:18 καὶ στήσει
ὁ ἱερεὺς τὴν
γυναῖκα ἔναντι
κυρίου καὶ ἀποκαλύψει
τὴν κεφαλὴν τῆς
γυναικὸς καὶ δώσει
ἐπὶ τὰς χεῖρας
αὐτῆς τὴν θυσίαν
τοῦ μνημοσύνου,
τὴν θυσίαν τῆς
ζηλοτυπίας, ἐν
δὲ τῇ χειρὶ τοῦ
ἱερέως ἔσται τὸ
ὕδωρ τοῦ ἐλεγμοῦ
τοῦ ἐπικαταρωμένου
τούτου.
Exo_5:4 And the kingH4428 of EgyptH4714 saidH559 untoH413 them, WhereforeH4100 do ye, MosesH4872 and Aaron,H175 letH6544 (H853) the peopleH5971 from their works?H4480 H4639 getH1980 you unto your burdens.H5450
Exo_32:25 And when MosesH4872 sawH7200 thatH3588 (H853) the peopleH5971 were
naked;H6544 (forH3588 AaronH175 had made them nakedH6544 unto their
shameH8103 among their enemies:)H6965
Lev_10:6 And MosesH4872 saidH559 untoH413 Aaron,H175 and unto EleazarH499 and unto Ithamar,H385 his sons,H1121 UncoverH6544 notH408 your heads,H7218 neitherH3808 rendH6533 your clothes;H899 lestH3808 ye die,H4191 and lest wrath comeH7107 uponH5921 allH3605 the people:H5712 but let your brethren,H251 the wholeH3605 houseH1004 of Israel,H3478 bewailH1058 (H853) the burningH8316 whichH834 the LORDH3068 hath kindled.H8313
Lev_13:45 And the leperH6879 in whomH834 the plagueH5061 is, his
clothesH899 shall beH1961 rent,H6533 and his headH7218 bare,H6544 and he shall put a coveringH5844 uponH5921 his upper lip,H8222 and shall cry,H7121 Unclean,H2931 unclean.H2931
Lev_21:10 And he that is the highH1419 priestH3548 among his brethren,H4480 H251 uponH5921 whoseH834 headH7218 the anointingH4888 oilH8081 was poured,H3332 and that is consecratedH4390 (H853) H3027 to put onH3847 (H853) the garments,H899 shall notH3808 uncoverH6544 (H853) his head,H7218 norH3808 rendH6533 his clothes;H899
Num_5:18 And the priestH3548 shall setH5975 (H853) the womanH802 beforeH6440 the LORD,H3068 and uncoverH6544 (H853) the woman'sH802 head,H7218 and putH5414 (H853) the offeringH4503 of memorialH2146 inH5921 her hands,H3709 whichH1931 is the
jealousyH7068 offering:H4503 and the priestH3548 shall haveH1961 in his handH3027 the bitterH4751 waterH4325 that causeth the curse:H779
Num_6:5 AllH3605 the daysH3117 of the vowH5088 of his separationH5145 there shall noH3808 razorH8593 comeH5674 uponH5921 his head:H7218 untilH5704 the daysH3117 be fulfilled,H4390 in the whichH834 he separatethH5144 himself
unto the LORD,H3068 he shall beH1961 holy,H6918 and
shall let the locksH6545 of the hairH8181 of his headH7218 grow.H1431
Jdg_5:2 PraiseH1288 ye the LORDH3068 for the avengingH6544 H6546 of Israel,H3478 when the peopleH5971 willingly offered themselves.H5068
2Ch_28:19 ForH3588 the LORDH3068 broughtH3665 (H853) JudahH3063 low because ofH5668 AhazH271 kingH4428 of Israel;H3478 forH3588 he made Judah naked,H6544 H3063 [not
in LXX] and transgressedH4603 soreH4604 against the LORD.H3068
Pro_1:25 But ye have set at noughtH6544 allH3605 my counsel,H6098 and wouldH14 noneH3808 of my reproof:H8433
Pro_4:15 AvoidH6544 it, passH5674 notH408 by it, turnH7847 fromH4480 H5921 it, and pass away.H5674
Pro_8:33 HearH8085 instruction,H4148 and be wise,H2449 and refuseH6544 it not.H408
Pro_13:18 PovertyH7389 and shameH7036 shall be to
him that refusethH6544 instruction:H4148 but he that regardethH8104 reproofH8433 shall be honoured.H3513
Pro_15:32 He that refusethH6544 instructionH4148 despisethH3988 his own soul:H5315 but he that hearethH8085 reproofH8433 gettethH7069 understanding.H3820
Pro_29:18 Where there is noH369 vision,H2377 the peopleH5971 perish:H6544 but he that keepethH8104 the law,H8451 happyH835 is he.
Eze_24:14 IH589 the LORDH3068 have spokenH1696 it: it
shall come to pass,H935 and I
will doH6213 it; I will notH3808 go back,H6544 neitherH3808 will I spare,H2347 neitherH3808 will I repent;H5162 according to thy ways,H1870 and according to thy doings,H5949 shall they judgeH8199 thee, saithH5002 the LordH136 GOD.H3069
Eze_44:20 NeitherH3808 shall they shaveH1548 their heads,H7218 norH3808 suffer their locksH6545 to grow long;H7971 they shall only pollH3697 H3697 (H853) their heads.H7218
>> got to draw out how “long hair” is a way of saying “nakedness” in Hebrew…
History of Susana
See: Dan_13:31
See: NETS: 989
Son_5:7 – They Took Away My Veil
Son_5:7 WEB The watchmen who go about the city found me. They beat me. They bruised me. The keepers of the walls took my cloak [H853 רדידי – Strong’s: veil] away from me.
Son_5:7 CAB The watchman that make their rounds in the
city found me, they struck me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took
away my veil from me.
Son_5:7 εὕροσάν
με οἱ φύλακες οἱ
κυκλοῦντες ἐν
τῇ πόλει, ἐπάταξάν
με, ἐτραυμάτισάν
με, ἦραν τὸ θέριστρόν
μου ἀπ᾿ ἐμοῦ φύλακες
τῶν τειχέων.
K&D: “This upper robe, not the veil which at Son_4:1, Son_4:3 we found was called tsammā, is called רְדִיד. Aben Ezra compares with it the Arab. ridâ, a plaid-like over-garment, which was thrown over the shoulders and veiled the upper parts of the body. But the words have not the same derivation. The ridâ has its name from its reaching downward, - probably from the circumstance that, originally, it hung down to the feet, so that one could tread on it; but the (Heb.) redid (in Syr. the dalmatica of the deacons), from רְדַד, Hiph., 1Ki_6:32, Targ., Talm., Syr., רְדַד, to make broad and thin, as expansum, i.e., a thin and light upper robe, viz., over the cuttoněth, 3a. The lxx suitably translates it here and at Gen_24:65 (hatstsaiph, from tsa'aph, to lay together, to fold, to make double or many-fold) by θέριστρον, a summer overdress.”
Pulpit:
“The redhidh, like ridha in Arabic, is a plaid-like upper garment thrown over the shoulders so says Aben Ezra; but it is derived, no doubt, from the root "to make broad or thin," to spread out perhaps, therefore, "a thin, light upper robe" which was worn over the chiton, a summer overdress, a cloak (LXX, yeristron : Jerome, pallium; Luther, Schleier )”
Clark: “Took away my veil - They tore it off rudely, to discover who she was. See on Son_5:2 (note)*. To tear the veil signifies, in Eastern phrase, to deflower or dishonor a woman.”
* “And her being in so much disorder and dishabille might have induced them to treat her as a suspiciovs person, or one of questionable character.”
Gill: “they smote me, they wounded me; taking her for a night walker”
“the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me; there were two sorts of watchmen in a city, one that went about to see that all was right and safe within; and others placed on the walls of it, who kept their stand, and whose business it was to give notice of an enemy approaching, and to defend the city from outward attacks upon it; and such are the ministers of the word, Isa_62:6; but here false teachers are meant as before, as appears from their abuse of the church, taking away her veil from her, such as women wore for ornament, or as a sign of modesty or as a token of subjection to their husbands, Isa_3:23, Gen_24:65; and may here design either their falsely accusing her good conduct, which was her outward covering; or their attempt to take away from her the doctrine of Christ's imputed righteousness, which is her covering, the wedding garment, the nuptial robe, as Gregory Nyssene (m) calls the veil here: and such a veil was given by the bridegroom with the Romans, and was called "flammeum", from its being of a flame colour (n), either yellow or red, expressive of the blushing modesty of the newly married bride (o); and the like custom might obtain with the Jews.”
Companion Bible Notes: “took away my veil. This was gross insult to an Eastern woman.”
JFB: “taking away her veil (the greatest indignity to an Eastern lady), as though she were positively immodest.”
Pool: “Took away my veil; which was an ornament of her sex, Isa_3:23, and a badge of her modesty, Gen_24:65, or an ensign of her relation and subjection to Christ, Gen_20:16 1Co_11:5. And so the taking of this veil away signifies their contemptuous and injurious usage of her, their endeavours to blast her reputation, and to represent and treat her as a common and impudent prostitute, and as one that had no relation to Christ. ”
Guards Took Off Jesus’ Clothes
12/23/16;
Wiki*: “Jesus had predicted that he would be mocked (Mat_20:18-19, Mar_10:34, and Luk_18:32)”
Mat_27:26-31
Mat_27:35
Mar_15:20
Mar_15:24
Joh_19:23
Wiki*: “clothed him with a "purple" (Mar_15:17) or "scarlet" (Matt_27:28) robe”
Joh_19:23
* Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mocking_of_Jesus
Male and Female Differences
12/23/16
A poor male: you are allowed to take away his himation temporarily
A Widow: you are not allowed to take away her garment at all
Examples When Devaluing is Not Involved, and therefore, Voluntary Stripping might Happen
12/23/16
Changing diapers?
Circumcision
Women Driving
12/23/16
2Ki_4:22 WEB She called to her husband, and said, Please send me
one of the servants, and one of the donkeys, that I may run to the man of God,
and come again.
2Ki_4:22 CAB And she called her husband, and said, Send now for me
one of the young men, and one of the donkeys, and I will ride quickly to the
man of God, and return.
2Ki_4:22 καὶ ἐκάλεσεν
τὸν ἄνδρα αὐτῆς
καὶ εἶπεν Ἀπόστειλον
δή μοι ἓν τῶν
παιδαρίων καὶ
μίαν τῶν ὄνων,
καὶ δραμοῦμαι ἕως
τοῦ ἀνθρώπου
τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ ἐπιστρέψω.
2Ki_4:23 He
said, Why would you want go to him today? it is neither new moon nor Sabbath. She said, It shall be well.
2Ki_4:23 And he said, Why are you going to him today? It is neither
new moon, nor the Sabbath. And she said, It
is well.
2Ki_4:23 καὶ εἶπεν
Τί ὅτι σὺ πορεύῃ
πρὸς αὐτὸν σήμερον;
οὐ νεομηνία οὐδὲ
σάββατον. ἡ δὲ εἶπεν
Εἰρήνη.
2Ki_4:24 Then
she saddled a donkey, and said to her servant, Drive, and go forward; don't
slacken me the riding, unless I ask you to.
2Ki_4:24 And she saddled the donkey, and said to her servant, Be
quick, proceed: spare not on my account to ride, unless I shall tell you. Go,
and you shall proceed, and come to the man of God, to Mount Carmel.
2Ki_4:24 καὶ ἐπέσαξεν
τὴν ὄνον καὶ εἶπεν
πρὸς τὸ παιδάριον
αὐτῆς Ἄγε πορεύου,
μὴ ἐπίσχῃς μοι
τοῦ ἐπιβῆναι, ὅτι
ἐὰν εἴπω σοι·
1Sa_25:18 WEB Then Abigail made haste, and took two hundred
loaves, and two bottles of wine, and five sheep ready dressed, and five
measures of parched grain, and one hundred clusters of raisins, and two hundred
cakes of figs, and laid them on donkeys.
1Sa_25:18 CAB And Abigail made haste, and took two hundred
loaves, and two vessels of wine, and five sheep readily dressed, and five
ephahs of fine flour, and one homer of dried grapes, and two hundred cakes of
figs, and put them upon donkeys.
1Sa_25:18 καὶ ἔσπευσεν
Αβιγαια καὶ ἔλαβεν
διακοσίους ἄρτους
καὶ δύο ἀγγεῖα
οἴνου καὶ πέντε
πρόβατα
πεποιημένα καὶ
πέντε οιφι ἀλφίτου
καὶ γομορ ἓν
σταφίδος καὶ
διακοσίας παλάθας
καὶ ἔθετο ἐπὶ
τοὺς ὄνους
1Sa_25:19 She
said to her young men, Go on before me; behold, I come
after you. But she didn't tell her husband, Nabal.
1Sa_25:19 And she said to her servants, Go on before me, and behold I
come after you. But she told not her husband.
1Sa_25:19 καὶ εἶπεν
τοῖς παιδαρίοις
αὐτῆς Προπορεύεσθε
ἔμπροσθέν μου,
καὶ ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ὀπίσω
ὑμῶν παραγίνομαι.
καὶ τῷ ἀνδρὶ αὐτῆς
οὐκ ἀπήγγειλεν.
1Sa_25:20 It
was so, as she rode on her donkey, and came down by the covert of the mountain,
that behold, David and his men came down toward her; and she met them.
1Sa_25:20 And
it came to pass when she had mounted her donkey and was going down by the
covert of the mountain, that behold, David and his men came down to meet her,
and she met them.
1Sa_25:20 καὶ ἐγενήθη
αὐτῆς ἐπιβεβηκυίης
ἐπὶ τὴν ὄνον καὶ
καταβαινούσης
ἐν σκέπῃ τοῦ ὄρους
καὶ ἰδοὺ Δαυιδ
καὶ οἱ ἄνδρες αὐτοῦ
κατέβαινον εἰς
συνάντησιν αὐτῆς,
καὶ ἀπήντησεν
αὐτοῖς.
>> Following the servants
Camels
Rebecca
>> Following the servant
Rachel
Gen_31:34 WEB Now Rachel had taken the teraphim, put them in the
camel's saddle, and sat on them. Laban felt about all the
tent, but didn't find them.
Gen_31:34 CAB And Rachel took the idols, and cast them among the
camel's packs, and sat upon them.
Gen_31:34 Ραχηλ δὲ ἔλαβεν
τὰ εἴδωλα καὶ ἐνέβαλεν
αὐτὰ εἰς τὰ σάγματα
τῆς καμήλου καὶ
ἐπεκάθισεν αὐτοῖς
>> Following the clan
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Look through all Bible Notes for veil modesty add-ons
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Greek:
mid-thigh
Dress code:
God made "them" [both] tunics of skin. So
although women are covered in this way for more obvious reasons, it is also
given to the man to cover his chest along with the women or it would have said,
"God made her a tunic, and him some shorts."
Do you see the significance here? God shows that it is also
necisary for men to were shirts in all social
situations.
What God did with Adam and Eve speaks of the bare minimum for
family situations, which says more is required for social situations. If this
were not so then why did God give the only man and the only women cloths before
anyone else was around? - This speaks
volumes for how we ought to respect our families even in the way we dress. -
Remember Noah!
Excluding intimate situations God shows us how to dress
-
Hebrews 8
Clothes are a pattern and shadow of (eternal) heavenly things.
They are not a backup plan, but one which was already designed and
patterned in heaven for our future benefit, but implemented early to address
the problem of our premature exposure to shame.
God had already designed out clothing for Adam and Eve before they
sinned, showing us that it was also His original purpose.
-
-I should probably quote the confused commentator who thought that
we might never have had close if we had not sinned.
-
An email that was sent to college
students
Tomorrow's memorial for Oscar will be broadcast to his
family in Africa via the web. Therefore, a university official has
requested that we observe the following dress code in order to meet
Ugandan customs:
Men: Slacks and shirts with collars
(no blue jeans, tee shirts, or shorts)
Women: Dresses at least knee length, no bare shoulders or
spaghetti straps (no pants, no shorts)
Thank you for your cooperation and God bless you! Pastor
Steve
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Dress Code
Any more reasearch to do on:
shoulders,
collarbone?
Chest, bosom
Partial nakedness called like full with Peter and john >> This means not having your upper gament on!!
Dressing With exclusivity in mind
Principal of Hidding things for modesty-sake vs. the looseness of
the prostitute who "Scaters her gifts to those afar" and how proverbs
says, "should your fountain be dispersed in the streets... let them be for
you alone"
Lev 18:
Familial dress code
The natural responce of Adam and Eve after sinning was the shame
of their bodies. After having been pure for all of their days, they were otherwise
perfectly sensitive to the defilement and sham of sin. The only way to lack this reponce is to
surpass their sin and dullen our harts with pride to not be ashamed of the sin
of our bodies.
If you do not properly cover your body, you are not properly
acknoledging the same of your sinful flesh, but are glorying in the sin. This requires pride on our behaf to pretend
like we have nothing to be ashamed of, and this is why prostitutes and
strippers deal with profound feelings of being degraded. You can pretend as much as you want, but as
long as you glory in shame the degrigation of your body by embracing it's own sinfulness eats you up and brings you to "a
loaf of bread." This is why it is said, "the
body was not made for fornication but for the Lord..."
We experience this degregation on a smaller but similar skail when
we dress imodestly. In the same way, we participate in God's honor and
expierance His humility and exhaltation when we persue modesty in faith and the
fear of God covering the shame of our bodies.
By faith we can expierance the worth and grweat honor that God bestows
upon us when we humly hide ourselves for His exhaltation in the potential of
marriage.
"I have storred up many good things..." You are storring
anything up when you are showing it off! So on the other hand the prostitute
has "scattered abroud..."
The pride of not covering one's body stems from a lack of shame
from the sin that has defiled the corrupted flesh.
So this is why we should pray. It is a profuond hidden thing in
our souls, that immodesty and lust gain their strength from pride. There is
untold pride to be freed from when we find ourselves dressing immodestly. Out
of dealing with a lot of situation including counciling and figiting immorality
in every way, there are some prayers that help change our heart in the right
way:
Men
Lord I repent of flaunting my masculinity, thinking that I'm
strong and impresive.
I repent of mail pride. I repent of wanting to show off and prove
that I'm a man.
I repent of wanting to manipulate and take advantage of
women.
I repent of dishonoring women by seeking personal gradification.
Women
Lord I repent of flaunting my body, being proud of the way I look
and thinking I'm beautyful.
I repent of being a seductress with my dress, and actions.
I repent of wanting men to notice me, and of trying to gain their
attention or of trying to controle them with flirtation.
Men and Women
Lord (other than marriage) may no one be attracted to me at all
whatsoever.
May no one notice me; may no one be attracted to me. May no one
like me and may no one flirt with me.
Help me to "treat... younger men as brothers and younger
women as sisters with all purity."
(Except for marriage) help me not to flirt with anyone at all whatsoever.
Look up the Greek root of separate
Wiki: head covering
Re-translate 1 Cor 11
2 Cor 5 has a lot to do with spiritual clothing
John 13 Jesus took only a twel when humbling himself before the
disciples. No shirt is ok for men-only groups
Add 1st Jn 1 to reading list
song of songs
It is very interesting that though Solomen's wife is veiled (6:7),
he still notices that she is beautyful including her hair (6:5), her teeth
(6:6), and her temples (6:7).
For the face
Search out all the uses of temples
Though we don't need to dress like priests exactly, we do need to
cover likely them, because their covering was based on the principle of
nakedness which God defined.
> " The Word of God is
established in the heavens forever," -including the clothing-.
The Biblical principle of nakedness:
God defines what nakedness is, not our culture.
In spite of our ignorance, God shows us what is best considered
nakedness by the people he covers with clothing in the Bible.
Head Coverings
Implications behind it
Spiritual Reprocrussions
translaions
Greek not about married woman, but is generically
about women and men.
This is not an issue directly dealing with Heaven or
hell, but is one dealing with principals that stop you from going the directions
of things that lead you to hell.
> Based on creation principals, and has moral
consequences
> It's in the OT, so this is obviously what he is
refering to!
> It is obvious that he refers to what was already
inplace from the OT on into this Corinthian culture.
> He is not inventing something new out of thin
air, but is reafirming something very real and present from the OT, and is
confirmed to be aplicable in the NT
> "ask for old paths"
> "Make beauutyful as woman of past"
What is ment by "because of the angels"?
> don't try the angle of his presence
> angels do service for
those who will inherit eternal salvation (Heb_1:14)
> angels are interested in
the affairs of men, especially the worship of God.
> Speaking of Serafim
"κατεκάλυπτον τὸ πρόσωπον"(Isa_6:2 LXX)
- Angels covering thier faces
-
The exact same word ("katekalupton") used in the Greek OT
-
Where NT gets its vocabulary from
-
Where 1 Cor 11 got the word to describe veils for women
-
If angels know how to be reverent before God, so should you... especially since
they are assembled with you in worshiping God (being present at your meetings)!
>
What does it do to the man if the woman he is to protect is immodest in some
way?
>
It shames him:
Lev
18 relational dynamic of flesh; Deu 22: Father's reputation is on the line
"she played the prostitute in her father's house"
>
When I would take my sis around, is was shameful
(disrespectful) to me if she did not dress right.
>
How does it look to the brothers of Song of Songs if their sister is dressed
immodest?
But
on the contrary, what does she say? 'I accept your protection' ('to seal me up
for marriage') "I am a wall" (Song_8:8-10).
>
Submision is not what an authority does. "I do not submit you"
>
Submission is "comming under the protection of someone" - "You
have to come under that protection; a protector does not do it for you"
>
In this sense, the lack of modesty affects the submission to the protection and
authority of men.
>
Men who love lust (shame) are not concerned for anyone's well being or dignaty,
so these things are unimportant to them.
>
Isn't there something inside of sisters that wants brothers that are out to
protect them instead of trying to get something out of them?
>
What does it do to the man if the woman he is to protect is immodest in some
way?
>
It says to him, "I do not acept you for the purpose you were put in my
life for."
>
What the woman does with modesty either reflects man's glory, or mares it.
Head-Covering
is Neglected Now, As the Booths Had Been Then
Neh_8:14, 17 KJ2000 And they found written in the law which the LORD had
commanded by Moses, that the children of Israel should dwell in booths in the
feast of the seventh month... 17 And all the
congregation of them that were come again out of the captivity made booths, and
sat under the booths: for since the (i)
days of Joshua the son of Nun unto that day had not the children of Israel done
so. And there was very great gladness.
"Which was almost a thousand years."
(1599 Geneva Bible
Translation Notes)
"...Those who diligently search the Scriptures, find things written
there which they have forgotten... Those that understand the scriptures well
will still be desirous to understand them better"
(Matthew Henry’s
Commentary on the Whole Bible)
Commanded:
Lev_23:39-43. In Deu_16:13 they were only commanded
to keep the feast with gladness.
"On
former occasions, those who came up to Jerusalem may have regarded this precept
as non-essential, and contented themselves by keeping the feast with solemn
assemblies, sacrifices, and sacrificial feasts, without making booths and
dwelling in them for seven days." (Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament)
>
1st Cor is laced with the idol's temple and the prostitutes that were there
>
1st Cor 6 is about a prostitute with a spiritual joining
>
No good answer
Paul
did have in mind prostitute, but even if not, it is still rehtorical.
>
Why the debate over "woman" vs. "Virgine"
>
b/c of early church debate
-
Draw out the face principal:
(compare Apostolic Constitutions)
-
I've read the entire treatese from Turtailian:
"Arabia's
heathen females will be your judges, who cover not only the head, but the face also "
>>
"They would rather do without the sight of one eye than to prostitute the
whole face"
"So,
too, did the Corinthians themselves understand him. In
fact, at this day the Corinthians do veil their
virgins (virgines suas Corinthii velant). What the apostles taught, their
disciples approve."
some say there are reasons for a woman's hair
to be the covering.
-
Verse 6 says they are different
-
all this would mean nothing if hair was the point
-
History tells us the Corinthians obeyed and covered!
-
The reference to "anti" is pointing to man, not as oposed to the head
covering:
directly translated: "the long hair is given,
covering her instead [i.e. intead of the man]"
"...in
the historical context, where cloth headcoverings and veils were so commonly
used. Who can suppose that Paul is making no reference to these when he speaks
of headcoverings?"
Picture
is echoed by Turtalian.
"
In view of the customs of the time—in which many women would go about with
their heads covered anyway—we might even say that this whole passage has to do
not so much with putting on special coverings for prayer as it does with
keeping the head covered for prayer. Probably Paul would prefer that a Christian
woman would cover her head whenever in public, or whenever she was in the
presence of men outside her own family. This would resemble the practice among
Jews and others in Asia Minor at the time..."
"and they that are hanged by the hair are unblushing ones
which had no modesty and went about in the world bareheaded
(γυμνοκεφαλοι)"
In
the "old days" women dressed in particular ways that may have been
significant at the time, it is said, but the times and fashions have changed,
so that headcoverings or bare heads no longer signify anything today. Thus the
passage is said to be irrelevent. But this dismissal of the passage will not do
"...Christians
were not thrown to the lions for their penchant for conformity...."
"We
must be careful not to let our zeal for knowledge of the culture obscure what
is actually said."
"This
is a very dangerous hermeneutical precedent, and I cannot believe that the
avoidance of unstylish headcoverings for the ladies is worth the trouble we will
get from compromised principles of interpretation."
"19. ibid., chapter viii, p. 33.
It is indeed hard to understand how anyone could think that this testimony,
from about A.D. 200, does not make further discussion of the matter almost
useless. Are we to think that after a space of hardly more than a century the
Corinthians themselves had forgotten the meaning of Paul's instructions?
Indeed, are we to think that the entire Church had promptly forgotten the true
meaning, until our own generation of scholars discovered that Paul was not
requiring a headcovering? This fantastic idea is the premise upon which the
arguments of Hurley and others are based."
[http://www.bible-researcher.com/headcoverings.html]
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Customs
***********
"One
statement commonly cited as evidence about the headcovering customs of Greek
women is in Plutarch's Sayings of Spartans (written during the first century
A.D.). Concerning a Spartan he writes, "When someone inquired why they
took their girls into public places unveiled, but their married women veiled,
he said, 'Because the girls have to find husbands, and the married women have
to keep to those who have them!'" (5) "
Dress
Code Verses:
God's
arm:
Is
30:30
--
Is
siblings see each other's nakedness, it is a
"shamful thing" and wickeness.
Also
Shem, Ham, and Japheth
These things renforce the Minimum dresscode.
--
Isa_47:2 ESV Take the millstones and grind flour, put off your veil,
strip off your robe, uncover your legs, pass through the rivers.
" After
the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after
the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither
shall ye walk in their ordinances. (Leviticus_18:3. cf. also Deuteronomy_12:29-32
and 2 Kings_17:13-15.)"
\/
" The LORD has prepared a sacrifice and
consecrated his guests ... and on the day of the LORD's sacrifice, I will
punish ... all who array themselves in foreign attire. (Zephaniah_1:8)"
\/
" Speak to the people of Israel, and tell them
to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations,
and to put a cord of blue on the tassel of each corner. And it shall be a
tassel for you to look at and remember all the commandments of the LORD, to do
them, not to follow after your own heart and your own eyes, which you are
inclined to whore after. (Numbers_15:38-39.
See also Deuteronomy_22:12,
You shall make yourself tassels on the four corners of
the garment with which you cover yourself.)"
\/
hence we read of the hem or border, of his
garment (Matt. ix. 20).
As
for Jewish women, there is clear evidence that in the first century they
covered their heads not only for prayer but whenever they were outside of their
own home. It is said that some Jewish women kept themselves covered at all
times. In public, they not only covered their heads, but the lower part of
their faces as well. For the women this was a matter of morals, and a religious
duty, not merely a matter of style or convenience. Joachim Jeremias describes
the Jewish custom.
Messy Statement
"A further problem, which renders much of what
has been written on this subject almost worthless, is the failure of many
commentators to make any distinction between face-veiling and headcovering in the
ancient sources. Oepke writes as if he thought Tertullian had in mind
face-veiling when he used the words velum and velo, but this cannot be right.
The context must be carefully examined to determine what an ancient writer is
referring to with various words for veils and coverings."
See also the article "Head, Covering of," in
the Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 8 (Jerusalem: Keter Publishing House, 1971), in
which it is said that one Jewish sage declared that "since Christians
generally pray bareheaded, the Jewish prohibition to do so was based on the
biblical injunction not to imitate the heathen custom." (p. 5.)
[http://www.bible-researcher.com/headcoverings3.html]
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Persuing Honor that is more real than Physical Cloaths
There is something defiling about seeking
to cover the flesh when it is not the imediate outgroath of longing to be
clothed spiritually before God.
[compare Col 2
& 3]
If we are not longing to be clothed in His
honor when we appear before Him, then we insult His offer as if it were as
useless as the world's honor.
- we lack so much
ambition:
The honor of this world is vain. Therefore
we ought to count it as nothing, and shun lusting after it.
But if we lack ambition toward God, then we
insult Him by suggesting that His honor and exaltation is vain in the same way
the world's honor is vain. We had dare not do this in
the name of being "humle" and not wanting to "exalt
ourselves".
Even if you are trying to be
"modest," when you're caughtup in the cloth
you exalt fleshly things that are of no value. The care for material clothing
is a disrespect to God if the spiritual is being
neglected.
Clothing is not a means to modesty, but a faint representation of
it.
If we forget this, we may find ourselves charging people for the exterior, that can be forced without personally pleasing
God.
- I'm Not talking about not being
specific about clothing and how we need to dress.
- By saying these things, we do not stop telling people to dress
modestly
- We don't start saying that the physical needs are unimportant
when we say how much more the spiritual things are needed.
- Though physical imodesty shows there is something wrong,
physical modesty alone does not show that there is something right.
- It is not as though we take away from the value, necesity, and
implications of physical clothing by these things, but that we burn with
indignation against those who would try to take on modesty while still being
without concern for the honor of God.
- We hate the disrespecting exterior leagalism of those who are
not ambitious toward God's offer of greatness, but think they will come any
closer to their own profit by clothing the body.
- We are talking about not being careful for cloth, but being
careful for honor.
Physical Modesty is the least we can do, and is a
very small side note that stilll says so much when violated.
- When shamed by removing physical clothing, Jesus "despised
the shame" and knew from the Father that He held honor before God, being
clothed before Him. Jesus was not fooled by clothing.
For everyone, modest or not:
- If your confidence is in cloth to cloath you, your eagerness
toward it is wasted and vain, because it is empty.
Physical clothing is a limited representation that can be faked
without achieving the goal.
Thoughts…
Love and seek the honor and praise of God
Be absorbed in the holy spiritual pursuit
of being clothed before God.
It is universal and eternal because it
adapts to every culture, always seeking modesty in every context.
It is alive because it will always show up
among many different variables and ways of life across every culture.
--
Result- clothing the body; this is the
least we can do, and better not be the only thing we do.
--
Physical modesty must be implemented regardless
Violating modesty laws still hurts would ever society is involved,
Whether or not the heart is right, more modesty means less
destruction to society, and less wrath upon it
Forced justice is better than willing chaos
In the same way, forced modesty is better than willingly
destroying society with lustfulness
Headcovering thoughts
http://www.bible-researcher.com/headcoverings3.html
church has it's own customs
- Church was a subculture
- But in this, some are recycled showing that the jewish ones were God's origonal and acurate ideal. This is
especially renforced when the OT presents it as an act of righteousness.
- Head coverings are not just "marriage" ideals
although he talks of where that thought exsisted in some areas. The early
church had started to think this way around the time of Turtalian
>> Look up chiton, an imation
"As for Jewish women, there is clear evidence that in the
first century they covered their heads not only for prayer but whenever they
were outside of their own home..."
"... In public, they not only covered their heads, but the
lower part of their faces as well. For the women this was a matter of morals,
and a religious duty, not merely a matter of style or convenience..."
[http://www.bible-researcher.com/headcoverings3.html]
crime if women "...went out without face bing hidden..."
noting suggesting the face veiling...
>
- That is assumed if you are commanding a righteous standard found
elseware in the Bible...
- Pluss it says "come down and hide" not just "have
it on somehow"
- When angells did this
"hiding" it was specifically the face.
- Helanized Jews, or greek reading
christians would have read the LXX, and it is the natural idea to think back to
how this applyed in the OT.
The vocabulary defines the NT.
- face veiling "kalumma" is not
even used by the angels
> is it used for Moses?
"it does mean thourowly
covered"
> "down" + "Hidden"
Jewish customs are not "customs," they are fequently banners
of righteousness
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Revelation 3 – You are Wretched!
Rev_3:17 CAB Because [ὅτι] you say [that (ὅτι)], 'I am wealthy [or Rich] [Πλούσιός (same as SOM, etc.)], and have become [wealthy] rich [πεπλούτηκα], and have need of nothing'--and do not [οὐκ] know [οἶδας] that you are wretched [ταλαίπωρος – i.e. wretchedly afflicted], [and (καὶ)] miserable [ἐλεεινὸς – lit. mercy-able / (worthy of) mercy; i.e. pitiful/miserable], [and (καὶ)] poor [πτωχὸς], [and (καὶ)] blind [τυφλὸς], and [καὶ] naked [γυμνός],
Rev_3:17 ὅτι
λέγεις ὅτι
Πλούσιός εἰμι
καὶ
πεπλούτηκα
καὶ οὐδὲν
χρείαν ἔχω,
καὶ οὐκ οἶδας
ὅτι σὺ εἶ ὁ ταλαίπωρος
καὶ ἐλεεινὸς
καὶ πτωχὸς
καὶ τυφλὸς
καὶ γυμνός,
Rev_3:18 I counsel [συμβουλεύω] you to buy [ἀγοράσαι] from [παρ᾿ – next to] Me gold having been ·tried by fire [πεπυρωμένον ἐκ πυρὸς – i.e. fired out of fire], so that you may become rich [πλουτήσῃς (see: 1Co_4:8)]; and white robes [ἱμάτια λευκὰ], so that ·you may be clothed [περιβάλῃ], and the shame [ἡ αἰσχύνη] of your nakedness [τῆς γυμνότητός σου] may not appear [φανερωθῇ]; and ·eye salve [κολλούριον], so that you may anoint [ἔγχρισον] your eyes, ·in order that you may see [ἵνα βλέπῃς].
Rev_3:18
συμβουλεύω
σοι ἀγοράσαι
παρ᾿ ἐμοῦ
χρυσίον πεπυρωμένον
ἐκ πυρὸς ἵνα
πλουτήσῃς,
καὶ ἱμάτια
λευκὰ ἵνα
περιβάλῃ
καὶ μὴ
φανερωθῇ ἡ
αἰσχύνη τῆς
γυμνότητός
σου, καὶ
κολλούριον ἔγχρισον
τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς
σου ἵνα βλέπῃς.
Rev_3:19 ·As many as I love [warmly like] [ἐγὼ ὅσους ἐὰν φιλῶ], I rebuke [ἐλέγχω – word (into) convincing conviction] and discipline [παιδεύω]. ·Be zealous [ζήλευε] therefore [οὖν], and repent [μετανόησον].
Rev_3:19 ἐγὼ ὅσους
ἐὰν φιλῶ, ἐλέγχω
καὶ παιδεύω·
ζήλευε οὖν
καὶ
μετανόησον.
Deu 24:10 WEB When you do lend your neighbor any
manner of loan, you shall not go into his house to get his pledge.
Deu 24:10 LB “If your neighbor owes you a debt,
any debt whatsoever, you shall not go into his house to take his pledge:
Deu 24:10 Ἐὰν ὀφείλημα
ᾖ ἐν τῷ πλησίον
σου, ὀφείλημα ὁτιοῦν,
οὐκ εἰσελεύσῃ
εἰς τὴν οἰκίαν
αὐτοῦ ἐνεχυράσαι
τὸ ἐνέχυρον·
Deu 24:11 WEB You shall stand outside, and the man
to whom you do lend shall bring forth the pledge outside to you.
Deu 24:11 you shall stand outside, and the
man who is in your debt shall bring the pledge out to you.
Deu 24:11 ἔξω στήσῃ,
καὶ ὁ ἄνθρωπος,
οὗ τὸ δάνειόν
σού ἐστιν ἐν αὐτῷ,
ἐξοίσει σοι τὸ ἐνέχυρον
ἔξω.
Deu 24:12 WEB If he be a poor man, you shall not
sleep with his pledge;
Deu 24:12 And if
the man is poor, you shall not keep his pledge overnight.
Deu 24:12 ἐὰν δὲ ὁ ἄνθρωπος
πένηται, οὐ
κοιμηθήσῃ ἐν τῷ
ἐνεχύρῳ αὐτοῦ·
Deu 24:13 WEB you shall surely restore to him the pledge
when the sun goes down, that he may sleep in his garment, and bless you: and it
shall be righteousness to you before Yahweh your God.
Deu 24:13 You
shall surely restore his pledge at sunset, and he shall sleep in his own cloak,
and he shall bless you; and it shall be mercy to you before the Lord your God.
Deu 24:13 ἀποδόσει ἀποδώσεις
τὸ ἐνέχυρον αὐτοῦ
περὶ δυσμὰς ἡλίου,
καὶ κοιμηθήσεται
ἐν τῷ ἱματίῳ αὐτοῦ
καὶ εὐλογήσει
σε, καὶ ἔσται
σοι ἐλεημοσύνη
ἐναντίον κυρίου
τοῦ θεοῦ σου.
Deu 24:17 WEB You shall not wrest the justice due to the foreigner, or
to the fatherless, nor take the widow's clothing to pledge;
Deu 24:17 LB You
shall not pervert the judgment of the stranger and the fatherless, and the
widow; you shall not take the widow's garment for a pledge.
Deu 24:17 Οὐκ ἐκκλινεῖς
κρίσιν προσηλύτου
καὶ ὀρφανοῦ καὶ
χήρας καὶ οὐκ ἐνεχυράσεις
ἱμάτιον χήρας·
Deu_22:30 WEB A man shall not take his father's
wife, and shall not uncover his father's skirt.
TAR: XXIII.
A man should not take a wife who is
bowed down (or violated), or who hath had intercourse with his father, much
less his father's wife, nor disclose the skirt that covereth his father.
Deu_22:30 CAB A man shall not take his father's wife, and
shall not uncover his father's skirt.
Deu_22:30 (23:1) Οὐ
λήμψεται ἄνθρωπος
τὴν γυναῖκα τοῦ
πατρὸς αὐτοῦ
καὶ οὐκ ἀποκαλύψει
συγκάλυμμα τοῦ
πατρὸς αὐτοῦ.
Lev 18:6
Ἄνθρωπος ἄνθρωπος
πρὸς πάντα οἰκεῖα
σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ οὐ
προσελεύσεται
ἀποκαλύψαι ἀσχημοσύνην·
ἐγὼ κύριος.
Lev 18:7
ἀσχημοσύνην
πατρός σου καὶ ἀσχημοσύνην
μητρός σου οὐκ ἀποκαλύψεις·
μήτηρ γάρ σού ἐστιν,
καὶ οὐκ ἀποκαλύψεις
τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
αὐτῆς.
Lev
Lev 18:17
ἀσχημοσύνην
γυναικὸς καὶ
θυγατρὸς αὐτῆς
οὐκ ἀποκαλύψεις·
τὴν θυγατέρα
τοῦ υἱοῦ αὐτῆς
καὶ τὴν θυγατέρα
τῆς θυγατρὸς αὐτῆς
οὐ λήμψῃ ἀποκαλύψαι
τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
αὐτῶν· οἰκεῖαι
γάρ σού εἰσιν, ἀσέβημά
ἐστιν.
Lev 18:18
γυναῖκα ἐπὶ ἀδελφῇ
αὐτῆς οὐ λήμψῃ
ἀντίζηλον ἀποκαλύψαι
τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην
αὐτῆς ἐπ᾿ αὐτῇ
ἔτι ζώσης αὐτῆς.
Isa 20:3
καὶ εἶπεν κύριος
Ὃν τρόπον πεπόρευται
Ησαιας ὁ παῖς
μου γυμνὸς καὶ ἀνυπόδετος
τρία ἔτη, ἔσται
σημεῖα καὶ τέρατα
τοῖς Αἰγυπτίοις
καὶ Αἰθίοψιν·
Isa 20:4
ὅτι οὕτως ἄξει
βασιλεὺς Ἀσσυρίων
τὴν αἰχμαλωσίαν
Αἰγύπτου καὶ Αἰθιόπων,
νεανίσκους καὶ
πρεσβύτας,
γυμνοὺς καὶ ἀνυποδέτους
ἀνακεκαλυμμένους
τὴν αἰσχύνην Αἰγύπτου.
Isa 20:5
καὶ αἰσχυνθήσονται
ἡττηθέντες οἱ
Αἰγύπτιοι ἐπὶ
τοῖς Αἰθίοψιν, ἐφ᾿
οἷς ἦσαν
πεποιθότες οἱ
Αἰγύπτιοι, ἦσαν
γὰρ αὐτοῖς δόξα
.
3/9/17
2Co_3:7 CAB Now
if the ministry of death, having been engraved in letters on stones, came to be
with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently into the face of
Moses because of the glory of his countenance, the glory
which was passing away,
2Co_3:7 Εἰ
δὲ ἡ
διακονία τοῦ
θανάτου ἐν
γράμμασιν ἐντετυπωμένη
ἐν λίθοις ἐγενήθη
ἐν δόξῃ, ὥστε
μὴ δύνασθαι
ἀτενίσαι
τοὺς υἱοὺς ᾿Ισραὴλ
εἰς τὸ
πρόσωπον Μωϋσέως
διὰ τὴν
δόξαν τοῦ
προσώπου αὐτοῦ
τὴν
καταργουμένην,
2Co_3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be
more glorious?
2Co_3:8 πῶς
οὐχὶ μᾶλλον
ἡ διακονία
τοῦ
πνεύματος ἔσται
ἐν δόξῃ;
2Co_3:9 For if the
ministry of condemnation had glory, the
ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.
2Co_3:9 εἰ
γὰρ ἡ
διακονίᾳ τῆς
κατακρίσεως
δόξα, πολλῷ
μᾶλλον
περισσεύει ἡ
διακονία τῆς
δικαιοσύνης ἐν
δόξῃ.
2Co_3:10 For even that
which has been glorified has not been glorified in this respect, because of the
surpassing glory.
2Co_3:10 καὶ
γὰρ οὐ
δεδόξασται
τὸ
δεδοξασμένον
ἐν τούτῳ τῷ
μέρει ἕνεκεν
τῆς ὑπερβαλλούσης
δόξης.
2Co_3:11 For if that which
passes away was glorious, then that
which remains is much more glorious.
2Co_3:11 εἰ
γὰρ τὸ
καταργούμενον
διὰ δόξης,
πολλῷ μᾶλλον
τὸ μένον ἐν
δόξῃ.
2Co_3:12 Therefore, having such hope, we use great
boldness of speech--
2Co_3:12 ῎Εχοντες
οὖν τοιαύτην
ἐλπίδα πολλῇ
παρρησίᾳ
χρώμεθα,
2Co_3:13 and not as Moses, who put a veil over his face
so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the end of what was
passing away.
2Co_3:13 καὶ
οὐ καθάπερ
Μωϋσῆς ἐτίθει
κάλυμμα ἐπὶ
τὸ πρόσωπον
ἑαυτοῦ πρὸς
τὸ μὴ ἀτενίσαι
τοὺς υἱοὺς ᾿Ισραὴλ
εἰς τὸ
τέλος τοῦ
καταργουμένου.
2Co_3:14 But their minds were blinded. For until
this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament,
because the veil is removed in Christ.
2Co_3:14 ἀλλ᾿
ἐπωρώθη τὰ
νοήματα αὐτῶν.
ἄχρι γὰρ τῆς
σήμερον τὸ
αὐτὸ
κάλυμμα ἐπὶ
τῇ ἀναγνώσει
τῆς παλαιᾶς
διαθήκης
μένει, μὴ ἀνακαλυπτόμενον
ὅτι ἐν Χριστῷ
καταργεῖται,
2Co_3:15 But even to this
day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
2Co_3:15 ἀλλ᾿
ἕως σήμερον, ἡνίκα
ἀναγινώσκηται
Μωϋσῆς,
κάλυμμα ἐπὶ
τὴν καρδίαν
αὐτῶν κεῖται·
2Co_3:16 But whenever one turns to the Lord, the
veil is taken away.
2Co_3:16 ἡνίκα
δ᾿ ἂν ἐπιστρέψῃ
πρὸς Κύριον,
περιαιρεῖται
τὸ κάλυμμα.
2Co_3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the
Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
2Co_3:17 ὁ
δὲ Κύριος
τὸ Πνεῦμά ἐστιν·
οὗ δὲ τὸ Πνεῦμα
Κυρίου, ἐκεῖ
ἐλευθερία.
2Co_3:18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding
as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image
from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
2Co_3:18 ἡμεῖς
δὲ πάντες ἀνακεκαλυμμένῳ
προσώπῳ τὴν
δόξαν Κυρίου
κατοπτριζόμενοι
τὴν αὐτὴν
εἰκόνα
μεταμορφούμεθα
ἀπὸ δόξης
εἰς δόξαν,
καθάπερ ἀπὸ
Κυρίου
Πνεύματος.
Exo_35:9
WEB onyx
stones, and stones to be set for the ephod and for the breastplate.
Exo_35:9 LB
sardine stones, and stones for engraving for the ephod and the full-length
robe.
Exo_35:9 καὶ λίθους
σαρδίου καὶ λίθους
εἰς τὴν γλυφὴν
εἰς τὴν ἐπωμίδα
καὶ τὸν ποδήρη.
Exo_29:8 WEB You shall bring his sons, and put
coats on them.
Exo_29:8 LB and you shall bring his sons, and put
garments on them.
Exo_29:8 καὶ
τοὺς υἱοὺς αὐτοῦ
προσάξεις καὶ ἐνδύσεις
αὐτοὺς χιτῶνας
Exo_29:9 WEB You shall dress them with belts, Aaron
and his sons, and bind headbands on them: and they shall have the priesthood by
a perpetual statute: and you shall consecrate Aaron and his sons.
Exo_29:9 And you shall
gird them with sashes, and put the hats upon them, and they shall have a
priestly office unto Me forever; and you shall fill the hands of Aaron and the
hands of his sons.
Exo_29:9 καὶ ζώσεις
αὐτοὺς ταῖς ζώναις
καὶ περιθήσεις
αὐτοῖς τὰς κιδάρεις,
καὶ ἔσται αὐτοῖς
ἱερατεία ἐμοὶ
εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα.
καὶ τελειώσεις
τὰς χεῖρας
Ααρων καὶ τὰς
χεῖρας τῶν υἱῶν
αὐτοῦ.
Exo
Exo_29:8 WEB You shall bring his sons, and put coats on
them.
Exo_29:8 CAB and you shall bring his sons, and put garments [χιτῶνας] on them.
Exo_29:8 καὶ τοὺς
υἱοὺς αὐτοῦ
προσάξεις καὶ ἐνδύσεις
αὐτοὺς χιτῶνας\
Adam
& the Priestly Dress Code
1/8/17;
4/6/17
Exo_28:3-4,
ect. Exo_28:32, Exo_28:39-40, Exo_28:42-43
Isa
_
Deu_24:17
Οὐκ ἐκκλινεῖς
κρίσιν προσηλύτου
καὶ ὀρφανοῦ καὶ
χήρας καὶ οὐκ ἐνεχυράσεις
ἱμάτιον χήρας·
WEB, CAB, Gr
12/5/14
There is no such thing as "the
christian woman's prayer veil" - about the only word that is acurate in
that phrase is "woman".
Male Headcovering?
To What Degree Could A Man Ever Morally
“Cover” His Head?
Other dates (mostly ~2009-2011); 10/28/16; 1/25/17;
3/25/17
>> H6544 H6545
Revenge:
H6546
WS: “H6544
ָפַּרע
pāra‛: A verb meaning to let go, to let loose, to unbind. Moses saw that Aaron had let the Israelites get out of hand when Moses was up on the mountain (Exo_32:25 [2x]). This word can also apply to hair, as with those who were commanded not to let their hair down from their turbans. This warning was given to Aaron concerning mourning (Lev_10:6); and to high priests in general (Lev_21:10). However, lepers were to let their hair down to call attention to their condition (Lev_13:45). A possible unfaithful wife had her hair loosened by the priest in connection with the drinking of bitter water to see if she was guilty (Num_5:18). This word can also mean to ignore (Pro_1:25); to avoid (Pro_4:15); or to lead (Jdg_5:2).”
Lev_13:45 – male headcovering & face veil?
is face veil separated from headcovering then?
but "περιβαλέσθω" is also used in 1Co_11:
Lev 13:45 WEB "The leper
in whom the plague is shall wear torn clothes, and the hair of his head shall
hang loose. He shall cover his upper lip, and shall cry, 'Unclean! Unclean!'
Lev 13:45 LB And the
leper in whom the plague is, let his garments be torn, and his head uncovered [ἀκατακάλυπτος];
and let him have a covering put upon his mouth, and he shall be called unclean.
Lev 13:45
Καὶ ὁ λεπρός, ἐν
ᾧ ἐστιν ἡ ἁφή, τὰ
ἱμάτια αὐτοῦ ἔστω
παραλελυμένα
καὶ ἡ κεφαλὴ αὐτοῦ
ἀκατακάλυπτος,
καὶ περὶ τὸ στόμα
αὐτοῦ περιβαλέσθω
καὶ ἀκάθαρτος
κεκλήσεται·
Lev 21:10
WEB " 'He who is the high priest among
his brothers, upon whose head the anointing oil is poured, and that is
consecrated to put on the garments, shall not let the hair of his head hang
loose, nor tear his clothes;
Lev 21:10
“And the priest that is chief among his brothers, the oil having been poured
upon the head of the anointed one, and he having been consecrated to put on the
garments, shall not take the turban off his head [τὴν
κεφαλὴν οὐκ ἀποκιδαρώσει], and shall not tear his clothes;
Lev 21:10
Καὶ ὁ ἱερεὺς ὁ
μέγας ἀπὸ τῶν ἀδελφῶν
αὐτοῦ, τοῦ ἐπικεχυμένου
ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν
τοῦ ἐλαίου τοῦ
χριστοῦ καὶ
τετελειωμένου
ἐνδύσασθαι τὰ ἱμάτια,
τὴν κεφαλὴν οὐκ
ἀποκιδαρώσει
καὶ τὰ ἱμάτια οὐ
διαρρήξει
Exo_34:33 WEB When Moses was
done speaking with them, he put a veil on his face.
Exo_34:33 LB And when he ceased speaking to them, he put a veil on his
face.
Exo_34:33 καὶ ἐπειδὴ
κατέπαυσεν
λαλῶν πρὸς αὐτούς,
ἐπέθηκεν ἐπὶ τὸ
πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ
κάλυμμα.
Exo_34:34 WEB But when Moses
went in before Yahweh to speak with him, he took the veil off, until he came
out; and he came out, and spoke to the children of Israel that which he was
commanded.
Exo_34:34 And whenever Moses went in before the Lord to speak to Him,
he took off the veil till he went out, and he went forth and spoke to all the
children of Israel whatsoever the Lord commanded him.
Exo_34:34 ἡνίκα
δ᾿ ἂν εἰσεπορεύετο
Μωυσῆς ἔναντι
κυρίου λαλεῖν
αὐτῷ, περιῃρεῖτο
τὸ κάλυμμα ἕως
τοῦ ἐκπορεύεσθαι.
καὶ ἐξελθὼν ἐλάλει
πᾶσιν τοῖς υἱοῖς
Ισραηλ ὅσα ἐνετείλατο
αὐτῷ κύριος,
Exo_34:35 WEB The children of
Israel saw Moses' face, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the
veil on his face again, until he went in to speak with him.
Exo_34:35 And
the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that it was glorified; and Moses
put the veil over his face, till he went in to speak with Him.
Exo_34:35 καὶ εἶδον
οἱ υἱοὶ Ισραηλ
τὸ πρόσωπον
Μωυσῆ ὅτι δεδόξασται,
καὶ περιέθηκεν
Μωυσῆς κάλυμμα
ἐπὶ τὸ πρόσωπον
ἑαυτοῦ, ἕως ἂν
εἰσέλθῃ
συλλαλεῖν αὐτῷ.
Lev 10:6
WEB Moses said to Aaron, and to Eleazar
and to Ithamar, his sons, "Don't let the hair of your heads go loose,
neither tear your clothes; that you don't die, and that he not be angry with
all the congregation: but let your brothers, the whole house of Israel, bewail
the burning which Yahweh has kindled.
Lev 10:6 LB And Moses said to Aaron, and Eleazar and
Ithamar his sons that were left, “You shall not uncover your heads, and you
shall not tear your clothes, so that you do not die, and so there should be
wrath on all the congregation. But your brothers, even all the house of Israel,
shall lament for the burning, with which they were burned by the Lord.
Lev 10:6
καὶ εἶπεν
Μωυσῆς πρὸς
Ααρων καὶ
Ελεαζαρ καὶ
Ιθαμαρ τοὺς υἱοὺς
αὐτοῦ τοὺς
καταλελειμμένους
Τὴν κεφαλὴν ὑμῶν
οὐκ ἀποκιδαρώσετε
καὶ τὰ ἱμάτια ὑμῶν
οὐ διαρρήξετε, ἵνα
μὴ ἀποθάνητε
καὶ ἐπὶ πᾶσαν τὴν
συναγωγὴν ἔσται
θυμός· οἱ ἀδελφοὶ
ὑμῶν πᾶς ὁ οἶκος
Ισραηλ κλαύσονται
τὸν ἐμπυρισμόν,
ὃν ἐνεπυρίσθησαν
ὑπὸ κυρίου.
Isa_29:10 WEB For Yahweh
has poured out on you a spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes, the
prophets; and he has covered your heads, the seers.
Isa_29:10 CAB For the
Lord has made you to drink a spirit of deep sleep; and He shall close their
eyes, and the eyes of their prophets and of their rulers, who see secret
things.
Isa_29:10 ὅτι
πεπότικεν ὑμᾶς
κύριος πνεύματι
κατανύξεως καὶ
καμμύσει τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς
αὐτῶν καὶ τῶν
προφητῶν αὐτῶν
καὶ τῶν ἀρχόντων
αὐτῶν, οἱ ὁρῶντες
τὰ κρυπτά.
Did Something Change?
Moses veiling face
Elijah wrapping his
head
> tsk
We all with unveiled
face approach God...
Jewish Kippah / Yarmulke / "Dome"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kippah
Crown
In Hebrews, Revelation, and other places Jesus wears a crown of glory and value-honor. This is the opposite of the sexual "shame" mentioned in 1co11. We see that a man can wear a crown and not have shame come down on his head in the way described when he might 'hide' his head in 1co11.
Consider the differences between the head-hiding headcovering, and a crown:
- Although Jesus wears a crown, yet you can see His hair. One of the specific goals of the headcovering is to hide the hair in hiding the head. A crown does not do that.
- a headcovering hides the glory of a woman's head so it cannot be seen, but a crown places shinning glory on a man's head to be seen.
- A headcovering comes DOWN and HIDES the head, a crown does niether of these things.
- A headcovering covers hides the head, but a crown is set on "the crown" of the head.
This is compatible with new testament values, and we see this does not actually conradict caps that cover the same surface area of the crown. It also shows that small caps do not pertain to the modesty described in the New Testament.
Jewish Kippa may have originally represented an opposite moral value system to what Paul preaches, but now they do not specifically do what Paul says not to do.
Men Did Not Use Head Coverings or Veils for
Modesty!
One of the main principals that we see from the use of veils during Bible times is that modesty does not cease to play a role when applied to the face.
It is almost as though even when we admit that we are not to expose, flaunt and “advertise” our bodies, we still think that that it is OK to seduce lust with the face.
As the “Main New Testament reference” mentioned above shows, (1Co_11:1-16) men never wore a veil as did women, nor even a type of head covering for modesty:
Rev_1:14 KJV His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
This example passage agrees with first Corinthians 11, showing that men do not need to cover their hair for the sake of their gender and modesty needs.
Which is similar to Daniel:
Dan_10:6 KJV His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass...
Turbans and Other Clothing
This section adds some
interesting questions
κιδαρ
Greek+ Exo_28:4; Exo_28:39; Exo_28:40; Exo_29:9; Exo_39:28;
Lev_8:13; Lev_10:6; Lev_16:4; Lev_21:10; Eze_21:26; Eze_44:18; Zec_3:5;
Lev_21:10 And *the priest that is chief [ὁ ἱερεὺς
ὁ μέγας] among [ἀπὸ] his
brethren, the oil having been poured upon [ἐπικεχυμένου
ἐπὶ] the head of the anointed one [τοῦ
χριστοῦ – transliterated: the christ], and
he having been consecrated
[τετελειωμένου]
to put on [ἐνδύσασθαι] the
garments [τὰ ἱμάτια], shall
not take the turban off his head*, and shall not tear [διαρρηξει
– ALS p. 129] his clothes;
* τὴν κεφαλὴν
οὐκ ἀποκιδαρώσει
– off/ from + "κιδαρις"
"tiara" (ALS p. 330)
In
Latin: "ornamented conical felt Asian head-dress; Phrygian bonnet w/cheek
lappets;" (Latin to English Dictionary v1.97)
"shall not unbind his head" (NETS)
Note: context is defilement: Lev_21:4, Lev_21:6-9 (as seen in DivRem book)
Eze_44:18 CAB And they shall have [ἕξουσιν]
linen [λινᾶς] turbans
[κιδάρεις] upon
their heads [ἐπὶ ταῖς
κεφαλαῖς – compare 1Co_11:4:
"κατὰ κεφαλῆς"
– there is a difference, but see Eze_44:20], and *shall
have linen drawers upon their loins [*
περισκελῆ λινᾶ
ἕξουσιν ἐπὶ τὰς
ὀσφύας αὐτῶν];
and *they
shall not tightly gird themselves [* οὐ
περιζώσονται
βίᾳ].
Eze_44:20 CAB And they shall not shave [ξυρήσονται]
their heads, * nor shall they pluck off their hair [*
καὶ τὰς κόμας αὐτῶν
οὐ ψιλώσουσιν];
they shall *carefully cover [καλύπτοντες
καλύψουσιν – “carefully” is
a paraphrase to try and represent this interesting repetition of ‘covering’ (an
intensification)] their heads.
Zec_3:3-5 CAB (3:4) Now
Joshua was clothed in filthy garments, and stood before the Angel. 4 (3:5) And the Lord answered and spoke to those
who stood before Him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And He
said to him, Behold, I have taken away your iniquities, and clothed you with a *long
robe [MT/KJV:
“change of raiment.H4254”; LXX: ποδήρη
– a ‘feet-(ποδ-)-reaching’ robe – this agrees with Jesus’
example in the book of Revelation], 5 (3:6) and
place a clean turban upon his head. So they placed a clean turban upon his
head, and *clothed him with garments [περιέβαλον
αὐτὸν ἱμάτια].
And the Angel of the Lord stood by.
1Ki_19:13 - "ἐpeκάλυψeν
tὸ pρόsωpον aὐtοῦ"
>> this is the same root word used in first Corinthians 11,
and it shows that the countenance is potentially involved in hiding the head…
Men Should NOT Cover Their Head -- Unless it’s Time
to Be Ashamed
A Man Has Shame Coming Down His Head/Face When it is Covered
11/11/18
Isa_29:10 WEB For Yahweh has poured out on you a spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes, the prophets; and he has covered your heads, the seers.
Isa_29:10 LB For the Lord has made you to drink a spirit of deep sleep; and He shall close their eyes, and the eyes of their prophets and of their rulers, who see secret things.
Isa_29:10 ὅτι
πεπότικεν ὑμᾶς
κύριος πνεύματι
κατανύξεως καὶ
καμμύσει τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς
αὐτῶν καὶ τῶν
προφητῶν αὐτῶν
καὶ τῶν ἀρχόντων
αὐτῶν, οἱ ὁρῶντες
τὰ κρυπτά.
>> Get:
A very defining reference is when David covered his head/ face
Job_9:24 WEB The
earth is given into the hand of the wicked. He covers the faces of its
judges. If not he, then who is it?
Jer_14:4 CAB
Because of the ground which is cracked, because no rain has been in the land, the
plowmen are disappointed, they
cover their heads.
Jer_14:4 WEB
And the labors of the land failed, because there was
no rain: the plowmen were ashamed;
they covered their heads.
Jer_14:4 καὶ τὰ ἔργα τῆς
γῆς ἐξέλιπεν, ὅτι
οὐκ ἦν ὑετός· ᾐσχύνθησαν
γεωργοί, ἐπεκάλυψαν
τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτῶν.
Mourning
2 Samuel 15
30: And David went up the ascent of the
Mount of Olives, and wept as he went, and his head was covered and he walked
barefoot. Then all the people who were with him each covered his head and went
up weeping as they went.
Jeremiah 14
3-4: [Judah mourns,] and their nobles send
their lads for water: they come to the pits, and find no water; their vessels
return empty; they are ashamed and confounded, and cover their heads. Because of the ground which is cracked,
for there hath been no rain in the land, the plowmen are ashamed, they cover
their heads.
Esther 6
12: And Mordecai returned to the king's
gate. But Haman hasted to his house, mourning and having his head covered.
Rejoicing
Isaiah_61:3,10
[καταλελειμμένο]]]]
[ἐστιν ἡ ἁ][παραλελυμέ[ἀκατακάλυπτ[περιβαλέσ]
*]*[* τὰ ἱμάτια οὐ διαρρήξ
*[* τὸ πρόσωπόν μου ἀκάλυπτον ]
Same Gender Boundaries?
4/4/17
>> Paul with Timothy
>> John and Peter in the Boat
>> Exo, etc.: midwives with birthing mothers, etc…
How
Much Should Doctors See?
4/4/17
Lev 13:38 WEB "When a man
or a woman has bright spots in the skin of the body, even white bright spots;
Lev 13:38 LB “And
if a man or woman should have in the skin of their flesh spots of a bright
whiteness,
Lev 13:38
Καὶ ἀνδρὶ ἢ
γυναικὶ ἐὰν γένηται
ἐν δέρματι τῆς
σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ αὐγάσματα
αὐγάζοντα
λευκαθίζοντα,
Lev 13:39 WEB then the priest
shall examine them; and behold, if the bright spots on the skin of their body
are a dull white, it is a harmless rash, it has broken out in the skin; he is
clean.
Lev 13:39
then the priest shall look; and behold, there being bright spots of a bright
whiteness in the skin of their flesh, it is a tetter; it burst forth in the
skin of his flesh; he is clean.
Lev 13:39
καὶ ὄψεται ὁ ἱερεὺς
καὶ ἰδοὺ ἐν δέρματι
τῆς σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ
αὐγάσματα αὐγάζοντα
λευκαθίζοντα, ἀλφός
ἐστιν, καθαρός ἐστιν·
ἐξανθεῖ ἐν τῷ δέρματι
τῆς σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ,
καθαρός ἐστιν.
Lev 13:40 WEB "If a man's
hair has fallen from his head, he is bald. He is clean.
Lev 13:40 And
if anyone's head should lose his hair, he is only bald, he is clean.
Lev 13:40 Ἐὰν
δέ τινι μαδήσῃ ἡ
κεφαλὴ αὐτοῦ,
φαλακρός ἐστιν,
καθαρός ἐστιν·
Is this like the early church when they had female servants of the
church?
How would they do this if only Males were priests in the Old
Testament?
Additional thoughts
Random Nuggets – In Need of processing
BBS: BDC
6/3/14
McFall
":101 Based on her
own participation in the women’s world of the Bedouin (closed to male eyes)
Lila Abu-Lughod uses the word ‘modesty’ to sum up the female moral code of
shyness, self-restraint, and a deferential attitude, the Arabic term for which
is hashama which is translated by ‘a cluster of words including modesty,
shame and shyness, in its broadest sense, it means propriety’ (Veiled
Sentiments: Honor and Poetry in a Bedouin Society [Berkeley: University of
California Press, 1986], p. 105)."
Muslem modesty:
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130423073339AA2zH8q
http://www.encounteringislam.org/muslimquestions
BBS: BDC: McFall Error
6/5/14
"But the
issue of covering and uncovering the head is gender- based, not headship based,
and it applies only when males and females are engaged directly in “praying
or prophesying.” Paul leads off with a theological statement in 1
Corinthians_11:3 that at
first glance seems like taking a sledgehammer to crack
open a peanut. Its scope is so vast that it
encompasses God, Christ, Man and Woman within it. Sandwiched between the
headships of God and Christ is the disputed headship of Man. This is the
theological issue at stake in 11:2-16."
"If it were the
sign of her subjection to her husband then she would have to wear an artificial
covering on her head from the moment she was born to the moment she died.As woman’s
natural covering of hair was designed to bring her glory (doxa) and
acceptance among men in the natural world, and make her acceptable/desirable to
be in their presence, so her artificial covering was also designed by God to
bring her authority (exousia) and acceptance among spirit beings in the
spiritual world, and make her acceptable to be in their presence (“because of
the angels”109).107 Ephesians_5:32 says she
is to be subject ‘in everything’. "
i need to smash this 'ant-cultural' Modesty Statement
"Most commentators quickly got lost in expounding 1 Corinthians_11:2-16 because they looked among the customs of those times for an
explanation for the significance of the covering. Once the “covering” (to be
more precise the text reads, “having down [from the] head”; kata;
kefalh'" e1xwn) was mistakenly
identified with the cultural veil (kavlumma), it was given a cultural meaning.
Once the false identification was set up it was just a matter of time before it
was discarded because its cultural significance was judged to be incompatible
with the Gospel."
McFALL eBOOK ON
DIVORCE_1--HTML-RTF--OOo.rtf
6/5/14
>> look up context?
He seems to be saying that it is not cultural,
but what he's really saying is that it is not modesty, and it IS!
Absolute Non-sense...
"FROM ADAM TO
NOAH’S FLOOD
The hatred that God placed between the offspring of the woman (Christ) and
the offspring of the serpent (Satan), manifested itself in two streams of
humanity, a very small one (Christ’s sons) and a very large one (Satan’s sons).
Cain killed righteous Abel, and was banished from the presence of God. He
constitutes the seed of the serpent. He multiplied. His descendants were the
“sons of man.” Seth, constituted the righteous line, and he, too, multiplied.
His descendants were the “sons of God.” It was always God’s intention to fulfil
His promise to Adam that of his seed would come a
future Redeemer of all mankind. To fulfil that promise it was essential to keep
the two streams of humanity apart and distinct, hence the emphasis placed on
the distinct genealogical descent of Seth’s line, which is kept apart from the
distinct genealogical descent of Cain’s line. The one plots the descendants of
a righteous man, and the other plots the descendants of a murderer. These
distinct lines must not be blurred or mixed if the promise was to be fulfilled.
It is Luke who gives us the pure line of descent from Adam to Christ via Seth’s
descendants.Satan attempted to destroy the fulfilment of the promise to Adam by
killing Abel, who would have constituted the righteous line leading to Christ.
He may have thought that the seed of Christ was being carried in the loins of
Abel. But God raised up a replacement for Abel in the
form of Seth, and Seth carried the seed of Christ in his loins. Seth carried
the seed of Abraham, and Abraham carried the seed of David, and Christ was of
the seed of David according to the flesh (John_7:42; Romans_1:3).God
frustrated the purpose of Satan, but Satan had another strategy-mixed
marriages. If he could get the two lines of descent to intermarry, then there
would be no ‘righteous line’ leading to the‘seed of the woman.’ So we read that
God was sorry that he had made man on the earth. The descendants of Seth were
as wicked as the descendants of Cain, and because they were birds of a feather,
they naturally intermarried. The ‘sons of God’ (Seth’s descendants, the
so-called righteous line) married the daughters of the ‘sons of men’ (Cain’s
descendants). Thus Satan’s strategy worked. The two lines of descent were now
intermingled. The distinctness of the two lines of physical descent was so
badly compromised that a direct line leading from Seth to Jesus was in real
danger of breaking down completely. So wicked had the totality of mankind
become that there was only one man left on the earth whom
God regarded as ‘righteous,’ namely, Noah. It was at this point that God
decided to destroy the entire seed of the serpent, and start all over again
with a single righteous man and his three sons and their wives"
also consider:
"The
theological choice would be better stated as being between abolishing or
establishing Man’s headship.110 The angels
know the order of creation and what it involves (Job_38:7). On the Jewish sources behind the liaison of angels and women in Gen_6:1-2 and its implications for 1 Corinthians_11:10 see L.J. Lietaert Peerbolte, “Man, Woman and the Angels in 1
Corinthians_11:2-16,” in The Creation of Man and
Woman, edited by Gerard P. Luttikhuizen (Leiden: Brill, 2000), pp. 76-92,
esp. p. 87 n. 28. "
"115 There are at
least forty years between Abraham’s encounter with Abimelech (Gen_20:2) and Isaac’s encounter with a king of the same name (Gen_26:1), that it is possible that ‘Abimelech’ was not a personal name, but
like ‘Pharaoh’ a title"
The Crime of Using Beauty Selfishly
Do not trust in your beauty and use it for yourself! It is a
violation when a woman does this; she is to use her beauty exclusively for her
husband:
Eze_16:15 But you trusted in your beauty, and went a-whoring because of your fame, and poured out your fornication on every passer by.
Partially Unanswered Questions
(1) How are Roman Soldiers Saved?
Jesus said at least one Roman soldier would definitely make it to heaven.
BIG Question: was it possible for Roman soldiers to dress modestly? Did Roman soldiers ever dress modestly?
Partial answer: we cannot ‘argue from silence,’ therefore it is illogical to assume anything we are no told about how the soldiers were saved, and how they may or may not have changed their clothing habits, or how they may or may not have had “modest” alternatives within their wardrobe at that time.
Any information on this question is extremely helpful and important.
(2) Early Description of No Uniforms
Early church quote from Mathetes:
‘Christians use the clothing of each culture.’
Partial answer: before the wild and mindless liberations of total perversion we see today, just about any ancient culture had modest possibilities that disciples could take advantage of for modest covering.